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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Huddle Podcast and we are in Week twelve.

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Speaker 1: Lomas Brown, Week twelve.

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Speaker 2: This move and t T I mean, this season, but

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Speaker 2: a special season, seems like it's moving a little faster.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's been. It's I can't believe it.

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Speaker 1: Week twelve already obviously next to me, Lion's great does

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Speaker 1: a great job with the color analyst for ninety seven

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Speaker 1: to one. And wait before we start, I want to

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Speaker 1: clear a little something up because I had TJ lang

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Speaker 1: on last week and I was looking at some of

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Speaker 1: the comments and I was getting like this mini me

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Speaker 1: stuff like why TJ's double years, Like TJ is a

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Speaker 1: big guy. How big are you?

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Speaker 2: So so I'm like saying four and a half. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so TJ. But I've dropped a little weight because I

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Speaker 2: used to be a big In my first six years

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Speaker 2: years in the league, I weighed between two seventy five.

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Speaker 2: So right now, tt, I'm probably about two fifty.

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Speaker 3: Years good, Yeah, trying to hang in.

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Speaker 2: Look, I tell people, I'll have to block anybody anymore,

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Speaker 2: so i have to walk around at three hundred.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not a little guy.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, like I'm not.

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Speaker 1: But I was getting all these comments and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get something now and being next to you,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, you and TJ got me looking like I'm

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Speaker 1: there to know that I'm not a small I'm above average.

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Speaker 3: You know what, Dan Miller.

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Speaker 2: Feels real secure when me and TJ in the booth.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, they just keep rolling long, I mean

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Speaker 1: nine and one. Obviously, what they did last week was impressive,

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Speaker 1: fifty plus points. You said a franchise record was six

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty five yards, thirty eight first downs. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and the defense played just as well. This is a

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Speaker 2: I mean, they are t t and if you go

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Speaker 2: off talk about the coaching, the phenomenal, phenomenal job that

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Speaker 2: and of course coach Campbell. And then you look at

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Speaker 2: what Hank Freley has done with the offensive line where

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Speaker 2: been flawless pretty much the whole season. Look at Calvin Sheppard,

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Speaker 2: now whether he has to deal with with Alex Ben gone,

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Speaker 3: It was the bomb tt you know that.

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Speaker 2: Man, we were getting after people and still are but

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Speaker 2: at all phases of these this team and the one

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Speaker 3: Kicker just fifteen for fifteen, thank you well.

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Speaker 2: Just perfect, just perfect on the year. So it's been

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Speaker 2: it's been great. You're right, it's been great.

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Speaker 1: It's been complimentary football, which you love to see. And

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Speaker 2: Bloomfield Oh yeah, shout to the Ravens Bloomfield black Hole.

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Speaker 1: I know you helped coach football there. The offensive on.

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Speaker 1: the three keys for Alliance win. They go on the

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Speaker 1: And I think first off, defensively, Anthony Richardson is making

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Speaker 1: But that's the recipe for this Lion's defense. Right, keep

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Speaker 2: A passer, absolutely, so t T he's a floor of

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Speaker 2: Always felt he should have stayed another year at Florida two.

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Speaker 2: And you've seen it early in this season, like you say,

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Speaker 2: And that's why to your point, what you're saying, we

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Speaker 2: We want him to throw the ball. You normally don't

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Speaker 2: Going downfield, but I just don't expect that out of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about throwing the ball down on the field,

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Speaker 1: Look, Kyler had five rushes for forty five yards. One

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Speaker 1: They made him a passer and that's not the strength

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Speaker 2: You if you're Aaron Glenn, you work on some things.

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Speaker 2: And to me, you work on some things. So everybody said,

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Speaker 1: I like it all right. Second one, another huge injury

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Speaker 1: continuing that defensive production minus another guy. Alexandeloni broke his

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Speaker 1: So you lose that part of it as well. How

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said there's probably like two weeks ago on

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Speaker 2: Radio TT, I said Alexanderlone was one of the most

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Speaker 2: underrated NFL players, not just linebacker, not just on this team,

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Speaker 2: like you say, he's been putting up consecutive games, putting

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard. It is gonna be hard. And

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Speaker 2: I know the one thing that they don't want to do.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to overload Jack Campbell. You don't want

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Speaker 2: to do that because he's still a young guy in

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Speaker 4: I mean he think about all of them, meet, think

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Speaker 3: Like this, it really is. They really because you could

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Speaker 3: We're going this year. We're going, man, t T we going.

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Speaker 3: I got here in nineteen eighty five. This is the best.

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Speaker 2: This organization is looked, This is the best the team

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Speaker 2: Especially at the level we're playing that how everybody's focused,

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Speaker 2: That's the only thing I can see stopping us this year.

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Speaker 1: Really, I know, I know, man, I'm man, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, it's the best. I've been.

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Speaker 2: Coaching staff, best coaching staff they've had since I've been

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Speaker 3: I don't know how it was before I got here.

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Speaker 2: I can only speak back the eighty five best coaching

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Speaker 1: Well, see if they can continue clicking in Indy, get

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Speaker 1: Dance talked about it. To accomplish what they want to accomplish,

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Speaker 1: Sunday's one of them. Lomas Brown, as always, I appreciate it. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I got a busy show.

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Speaker 1: For you guys, say I will have I'm on Ross,

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Speaker 1: Aint Brown on a little bit. Stephen Holder's got all

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Speaker 1: your Indianapolis news, so stay tuned. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: twenty in the Huddle podcast. The man next to me

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Speaker 1: a heck of a season, man, Thank you. Hey, I

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Speaker 1: want to get this first. You got a podcast, Sat

435
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Speaker 1: Brown Podcast. How much do you like doing the podcast?

436
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Speaker 1: Entering the podcast world?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so. I've been doing it now, I would

438
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Speaker 5: say three years. But the first year was kind of

439
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Speaker 5: just like we didn't do it every week, wasn't consistent.

440
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Speaker 5: But last year was consistent every week. This year been

441
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Speaker 5: doing it every week also, so I will say it's

442
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Speaker 5: more time people think, you know, you gotta do it

443
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Speaker 5: every week, whether you win, lose, have a good game,

444
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Speaker 5: bag game, whatever it is. But it's fun, you know,

445
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Speaker 5: get to talk to other people, really ask them questions

446
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Speaker 5: that you know you want to know. Obviously I have

447
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Speaker 5: a script and there's questions that you know, they want

448
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Speaker 5: me to ask. But at the end of the day,

449
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Speaker 5: it's my podcast, it's our podcast, and I'm gonna ask

450
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Speaker 5: the question that I want to know. And it's kind of,

451
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Speaker 5: you know, a little off of for like sometimes with

452
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Speaker 5: the media you got to answer, you know, the questions

453
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Speaker 5: correctly or.

454
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Speaker 1: A certain way.

455
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Speaker 3: A certain way.

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Speaker 5: Sure, on my podcast, I feel like everything goes, everything flies,

457
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Speaker 5: you say what you want, and that's kind of what

458
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Speaker 5: I enjoy about it.

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Speaker 1: And that's why it's popular, I think, because you get

460
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Speaker 1: that other side right all right, the celebrations. I saw

461
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Speaker 1: one of the like they I don't know who was

462
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Speaker 1: marketing it, but I saw an ornament of the headstand.

463
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Speaker 1: Whenever you see in them is comment.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday, I said, there's an ornament, I want it. I said,

465
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Speaker 5: I heard it, but I wanted to get it too.

466
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Speaker 5: I don't know where to get it.

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Speaker 1: So I saw it on Twitter with the ornament. But

468
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Speaker 1: these things are becoming hilarious. You gotta let me inside. Now,

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Speaker 1: where did these come up with? Is it just something

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Speaker 1: in the locker room. Do you guys have like a

471
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Speaker 1: meeting time plan for these like, how do some of

472
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Speaker 1: these celebrations come about?

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Speaker 5: So I would say every week it's different. So usually,

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Speaker 5: you know, so we play the Titans and Chris Johnson

475
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Speaker 5: was known for doing that dance that Jamiir did when

476
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Speaker 5: he scored.

477
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Speaker 3: So I was gonna do it.

478
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Speaker 5: Jamiir is like, no, let me do I'm a running back.

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Speaker 3: Chris Johnson did it.

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Speaker 5: I said, okay, you can have that one because Chris Johnson,

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Speaker 5: Chris john some one's running back. But sometimes so if

482
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Speaker 5: you're playing a different city, you know, you want to

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Speaker 5: do a dance that's in the city. That's usually pretty cool.

484
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Speaker 5: Some cities they don't have popular dances. So when we

485
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Speaker 5: played San Francisco last year, they had a few Bay

486
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Speaker 5: Area dances and Jamier did that I think after he scored.

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Speaker 5: But a lot of times i'm you know, scrolling through

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Speaker 5: social media on TikTok and there's dances on there, things

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Speaker 5: that are going viral at the time, or like the

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Speaker 5: one that I did last week against you know, last

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Speaker 5: game against the Jaguars, the dragon ball Z one. I

492
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Speaker 5: was just scrolling and someone did in high school I think,

493
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Speaker 5: and it looked crazy. I was like, I gotta do it.

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Speaker 5: Or the headstance. Someone did it like it was a

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Speaker 5: d two player college on Saturday. He did it, and

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Speaker 5: so a lot of them. I'm just taking, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, from other people's research time.

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Speaker 5: It's awesome. I will say that the Titans game was

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Speaker 5: the one game where I wasn't really prepared to do anything,

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Speaker 5: and so that, you know, I wish I could have

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Speaker 5: that one back.

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Speaker 1: We're we're all excited about what's next. What the relationship

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Speaker 1: you have with with David Engineer. It looks like it's

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Speaker 1: a pretty close one. I don't know if you've seen

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Speaker 1: some of the statistics, but I think if if you

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Speaker 1: get in the end zone, Jamiir gets in the end zone,

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Speaker 1: you guys will become only a second trio in NFL

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Speaker 1: history to go back to back seasons with all three

509
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Speaker 1: ten touchdowns. I think Randy Moss, Chris Carter and the

510
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Speaker 1: running back over there the only other times to do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Just what is it about that relationship those two guys

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Speaker 1: that that it is really close? Say that that's kind

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Speaker 1: of built a bomb between you guys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know when excuse me, when David

515
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Speaker 5: you know, first got here last year and at Jamir

516
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Speaker 5: guy at the same time. You know, I didn't know

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Speaker 5: too much about David, but I knew a little bit

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Speaker 5: because my brother was Chicago with him and he said,

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Speaker 5: David is a great guy. Actually played you know, call

520
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Speaker 5: of duty with him before he was even on the team,

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Speaker 5: So I knew a little bit about David. I knew

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Speaker 5: he was a funny guy. And then Jamier. He's more

523
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Speaker 5: reserved if you don't really know him. But once you

524
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Speaker 5: get to know Jamiir, he you know, he opens up.

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Speaker 5: He's funny, loves to joke around. I mean he's messing

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Speaker 5: around twenty four to seven. He's probably never serious even

527
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Speaker 5: on the football field. He's always messing around. So those

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Speaker 5: two together, I think, you know, they complimented each other

529
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Speaker 5: so well on the field with their skill set. And

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Speaker 5: then for me, you know, I like to have fun

531
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Speaker 5: mess around too, So all three of us, you know,

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Speaker 5: we have a great, great relationship, and it's just to

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Speaker 5: be out there with them on the field. It's so

534
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Speaker 5: fun for me just to be you know, blocking for

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Speaker 5: them out there sometimes to see what they do, and

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Speaker 5: it keeps me on my toes because I feel like,

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Speaker 5: you know, certain runs, I'll be on the back side

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Speaker 5: and the run is going right, I'm on the left side,

539
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Speaker 5: and I'm up here like, Okay, the ball is not

540
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Speaker 5: gonna come my way. And the moment you think it's

541
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Speaker 5: not come my way, they'll break three tackles or Jimiro

542
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Speaker 5: make two guys miss and it come my way. And

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Speaker 5: so it really you know, for me, I always gott

544
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Speaker 5: to lock in on on in the run game stuff

545
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Speaker 5: because with those two guys in the backfield, it's they're

546
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Speaker 5: liable to pop anytime.

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Speaker 1: And it's speaking of relationship, that relationship you have with Jared,

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Speaker 1: it seems really really special. I know you guys work

549
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Speaker 1: out in California, they have the off season two but

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Speaker 1: I mean seeing it's getting to a point where if

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Speaker 1: you have less touchdowns than incompletions, I mean, it's an

552
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Speaker 1: odd game. And eleven for eleven last week. That's not

553
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Speaker 1: the first time you guys have done that. Just what

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Speaker 1: makes that relationship with you two so special? Why are

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Speaker 1: you guys just you look like you're on such the

556
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Speaker 1: same page more than any other quarterback receiver duo in

557
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Speaker 1: the league right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a combination of everything, you know,

559
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Speaker 5: the work, the obviously that we put in together, the

560
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Speaker 5: work that he puts in in the film room. Ben,

561
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Speaker 5: you know, calling plays against premier looks on defense that

562
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Speaker 5: we know are gonna work. You know, me understanding, you

563
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Speaker 5: know where the soft spot is in the defense. And

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Speaker 5: I think bigger than all that for that stat to

565
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Speaker 5: keep going with the targets and catches, I think it

566
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Speaker 5: really is on Jerry because last game, you know, there

567
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Speaker 5: was a few plays that were designed to go to me.

568
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Speaker 5: I was the first read and I wasn't open, And

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Speaker 5: so he's not just forcing throws to me even if

570
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Speaker 5: I'm not open. He's you know, he's throwing it when

571
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Speaker 5: I am open or when I'm about to be open,

572
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Speaker 5: things like that. So he's doing a great job of

573
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Speaker 5: progressing and going through his reads, you know, if I'm

574
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Speaker 5: not open, and the second options that I hope he's

575
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Speaker 5: always getting to check down to the running back. So

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Speaker 5: I think he's doing a phenomenal job of of hitting

577
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Speaker 5: the open guy. It's not always me. I'm not always

578
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Speaker 5: going to be open, even if the players design for me.

579
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Speaker 5: Jame was not always going to be open. So you

580
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Speaker 5: never know what you're gonnaet out there on defense, and

581
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Speaker 5: he's doing a great job of just going through his reads.

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Speaker 1: That's a great thing about your team. It's that third

583
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Speaker 1: fourth read. It's pretty darn good play, you know, So

584
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Speaker 1: that's just natural for a quarterback to feel comfortable doing

585
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Speaker 1: that and going down and finding the open guy. Just

586
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Speaker 1: the city and and what winning has done to the

587
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Speaker 1: city and what the span base has turned into. Now,

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Speaker 1: how much fun has that been to watch? Because it

589
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Speaker 1: obviously wasn't that way when you first got here, right,

590
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Speaker 1: there were some tough times, But to watch that part

591
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Speaker 1: of it grow and develop, how much fun is that?

592
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Speaker 1: And how badly do you want to bring winning football

593
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Speaker 1: a super Bowl to the to this fan base?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's it's amazing to see every you know,

595
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Speaker 5: every Sunday, I feel like we're spoiled, whether it's the

596
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Speaker 5: one o'clock game, a Sunday night game, Monday night game.

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Speaker 5: In Detroit, it's packed out before we even get to

598
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Speaker 5: the field. So player intros, you look out from the tunnel,

599
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Speaker 5: everyone's in their seat. And I feel like at some

600
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Speaker 5: places it's not like that certain cities, So just that

601
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Speaker 5: in itself, to see everyone in their seats before the

602
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Speaker 5: game starts is amazing. Sometimes I think to myself, I

603
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Speaker 5: wonder what it's like to be a fan of the

604
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Speaker 5: Lions for this long and to see him finally win.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes I wish I was in their shoes, just to

607
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Speaker 5: be able to sit back and enjoy and really, you know,

608
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Speaker 5: see this team, see our team do what we're doing

609
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Speaker 5: right now. But you know, would you rather be than

610
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Speaker 5: on the team. So I'm glad that I'm on the team.

611
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 5: I'm so excited that the fans, you know, the fans

612
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Speaker 5: that have stuck with us for so long, they finally

613
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Speaker 5: get to see, you know, winning football and cheer us

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Speaker 5: on every week. And I feel like they believe we're

615
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 5: gonna win every week. And that's the best part, no

616
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Speaker 5: matter who we're playing. But the biggest thing that I

617
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Speaker 5: want is, you know, I don't know if if we

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Speaker 5: ever get to win the Super Bowl, I don't know

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Speaker 5: where the parade would be, but the parade is probably

620
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Speaker 5: the thing that I'm looking forward to most millions.

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Speaker 1: It would be millions. I mean, they would shut down

622
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Speaker 1: Detroit probably for multiple days. A couple real quick ones.

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Speaker 1: The touchdown streak, you're at eight twelve. You can start

624
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Speaker 1: to get names like Jerry Rice. How important is it

625
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Speaker 1: to you? Is it something you think about or is

626
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Speaker 1: it just kind of one of those things that happens.

627
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Speaker 1: If it happens, it happens, or is it is it important?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the more that people bring it up, I feel like,

629
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Speaker 5: the more that it's brought to my attention and the

630
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Speaker 5: more I maybe I'm thinking about it. But when I'm

631
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 5: out there, like last game, you know, obviously I want

632
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Speaker 5: to score every game. I think every player wants to

633
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 5: score every game as much as they can, have as

634
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Speaker 5: many yards as they can win the game and do

635
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 5: all that stuff. So last game, obviously, you know I

636
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 5: want to score. But it's funny how you know there's

637
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Speaker 5: certain plays where you think you're going to score, you

638
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 5: don't score in the plays where you might not think

639
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Speaker 5: you're going to score it's gonna be a five yardy game,

640
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Speaker 5: or the players where you score. So like the last week,

641
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 5: I score in the shallow route, and I mean that's

642
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 5: the last time I scored in the shallow route was

643
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Speaker 5: Week one last year versus Kansas City. So it's been

644
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 5: a while sot to score on that route. Usually those

645
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 5: plays only go for like ten fifteen, So it's been

646
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 5: just clicking. Everything's been going my way. Hopefully it continues

647
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 5: to go my way, our way. But I wouldn't say

648
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Speaker 5: something that I'm thinking about going in every week. I'm

649
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Speaker 5: just looking to have a good game, do whatever I

650
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Speaker 5: can help the team win. And the biggest thing is

651
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Speaker 5: is winning every week.

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Speaker 1: Winning every week. Well, let's get to ten this week.

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Speaker 1: It should be fun to watch you guys again on

654
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Speaker 1: the road. You guys seem to you know, you know,

655
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Speaker 1: have that that kind of us against everybody mentality on

656
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Speaker 1: the road. You're fun to watch. And uh it's it's

657
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Speaker 1: a great offensive performance again upcoming hopefully. So thanks for

658
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Speaker 1: joining me. Appreciate you. Keep that touchdown street going. Good

659
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Speaker 1: luck Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Twin in the Huddle podcast, and

662
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Speaker 1: I'm very happy to welcome in. Stephen Holder does a

663
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Speaker 1: great job for ESPN. He's Colts NFL report over there

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Speaker 1: you need anything Indianapolis Colts. He is the guy to

665
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Speaker 1: check in with. Steven. Thanks for joining me. I appreciate you, man, Hey,

666
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Speaker 1: thanks for having me.

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Speaker 6: Looking forward to Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be a good and let's start with this.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously Anthony Richards, it's been up and down

670
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Speaker 1: season for him, you know, going through the Benching gets

671
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Speaker 1: the starting spot back last week, and from the outside

672
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: looking in, that was really his best performance, you know,

673
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Speaker 1: staying in the pocket, making big throws down the field,

674
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Speaker 1: also getting out had the two touchdown runs. But twenty

675
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Speaker 1: of thirty for two seventy two no interceptions, that's the

676
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Speaker 1: big one there. Played pretty well. That's got to be

677
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Speaker 1: a great sign for him and the Colts, right.

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Speaker 3: It really is.

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Speaker 6: It's I think they've they've spent this entire season, you know,

680
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Speaker 6: looking for reassurance that they had the right guy, and

681
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Speaker 6: that had been elusive until now. So it's it's the

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Speaker 6: I think, the first or the biggest at least sign

683
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Speaker 6: that he is the guy they think he is.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 6: You gotta do it next week and the week after,

686
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Speaker 6: et cetera. But you got to start somewhere. And I think, really,

687
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Speaker 6: when you when I look at Anthony Richardson this year,

688
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Speaker 6: I see a guy that maybe was trying too hard

689
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Speaker 6: at times, and I don't think this was the intent

690
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Speaker 6: per se, but sitting him down for two weeks, the

691
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Speaker 6: one benefit of it was at least one of the benefits,

692
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Speaker 6: I should say, is that it allowed him, I think,

693
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Speaker 6: to just kind of compose himself take a deep breath.

694
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Speaker 6: There's so much pressure on these young quarterbacks. So he

695
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Speaker 6: looked like a guy who had a load taken off

696
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Speaker 6: of him, frankly when he came back into the lineup,

697
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Speaker 6: and so I thought that enabled him to play a

698
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Speaker 6: different kind of game.

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Speaker 3: So let's see what he does on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to your point, it's all about stacking him, right.

701
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can do it one week, but the

702
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Speaker 1: good ones in this league, the guys that are around

703
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Speaker 1: for a long time, do it consecutive week. Stack them

704
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Speaker 1: and it's rare that they have a bad one. So

705
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Speaker 1: that'll be big for Indy. But I would listen to

706
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Speaker 1: Gus Bradley's press conference earlier in the week, and he

707
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Speaker 1: certainly seems to understand the test that his unit faces

708
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Speaker 1: this week against the Detroit Lions averagine thirty three point six.

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Speaker 1: Just what does he do? What buttons? Does he have

710
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Speaker 1: to push defensively for his unit to hold back a

711
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Speaker 1: Detroit offense that that's really homing right now.

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Speaker 6: It will be interesting to see if they do anything

713
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Speaker 6: that's a little out of character for them. One thing

714
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Speaker 6: they've done more of this season than any point in

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Speaker 6: many years here in Indianapolis is they have blitzed a

716
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Speaker 6: lot more. They're still not a heavy blitz team. They're

717
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Speaker 6: not going to be that with Gus Bradley. They weren't

718
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Speaker 6: with Matt Eberflus as a defensive coordinator either in previous years.

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Speaker 6: But certainly they have in recent weeks. I would say

720
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Speaker 6: maybe the past month or so, we have seen them

721
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Speaker 6: become much more aggressive. And the key to blitzing is

722
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Speaker 6: always getting home first of all, and also blitzing at

723
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Speaker 6: the right times. So they've done a good job on

724
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Speaker 6: both fronts. Now, whether that's effective against Jared Goff in

725
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Speaker 6: this offense, that's a different question, and I'm not sure

726
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Speaker 6: that that's the answer, so we'll see. I mean, do

727
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Speaker 6: they just play the coverage game and just keep everything

728
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Speaker 6: in front of them? They are very good at that.

729
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Speaker 6: They they have given up i mean, tons of yardage

730
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Speaker 6: this season. That's one of the worst teams in the

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Speaker 6: league in terms of giving up yardage. What they haven't

732
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Speaker 6: done is given up a ton of points. For the

733
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Speaker 6: most part. They've been top twelve and scoring defense just

734
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Speaker 6: about the entire season. So those are contrasting things there

735
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Speaker 6: that don't necessarily add up. But you know, Ultimately, the

736
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Speaker 6: name of the game is to keep them out of

737
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Speaker 6: the end zone. So they've done that at a decent

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Speaker 6: rate this year, but this is the biggest test I

739
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Speaker 6: think they will have had.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, also taking the football away, you know, I think

741
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Speaker 1: they're top ten in the NFL. That's obviously huge for

742
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Speaker 1: a defense too. And then I was just noticing, you know,

743
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Speaker 1: five different players with three sacks, so it looks like

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Speaker 1: they can get after the quarterback a little bit. They

745
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Speaker 1: generate takeaways, and look, when you can do that, I

746
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Speaker 1: think even if you don't have even if you're an

747
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Speaker 1: inferior roster, I think if you can get after the

748
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Speaker 1: quarterback and you create takeaways, I think that's probably the

749
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Speaker 1: recipe for success at home for Indy. On Sunday, Jonathan Taylor,

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Speaker 1: I was looking through the statistics, a little odd to

751
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Speaker 1: see him where he's at. I know he's missed a

752
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: couple of games, but seventeenth in the league and rushing

753
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Speaker 1: that that's not expected from a guy as talented as him.

754
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Speaker 1: What's been kind of the issues there? Is it Ben

755
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: just injuries he's been dealing with, or what's kind of

756
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: gone behind that slow start? Because I know they want

757
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Speaker 1: to run the football there.

758
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Speaker 3: They do want to run the football.

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Speaker 6: For Jonathan Taylor, really, the the the issue has been

760
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Speaker 6: his ankle, his right ankle. I believe that he's had

761
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Speaker 6: issues with this thing really for the better part of

762
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Speaker 6: the last two years. So he had a high ankle

763
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Speaker 6: spring on that ankle again this year, missed three games.

764
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Speaker 6: So that really just kind of, you know, puts a

765
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Speaker 6: damper on your season. You know, at that position, he's

766
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Speaker 6: going to have to manage it throughout the season. I

767
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Speaker 6: think he was seeing during the game this past Sunday

768
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Speaker 6: taping his ankles at one point, came back into the game,

769
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Speaker 6: didn't seem to be diminished by it, but it's you know,

770
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Speaker 6: he's not going to be the same or at least

771
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 6: has not been the same guy at times. But look,

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Speaker 6: when teams play with the light box, he has been

773
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Speaker 6: the guy that you expect him to be. This past week,

774
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Speaker 6: the New York Jets really shut down the run, and

775
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Speaker 6: that was intentional on their part. I mean, he maybe

776
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Speaker 6: popped a couple of decent runs early and they adjusted

777
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Speaker 6: a lot of run blits his heavy boxes. They were

778
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Speaker 6: not going to give it up. So that did enable

779
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Speaker 6: the coatst to beat them. Over the top in the

780
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Speaker 6: second half with some key intermediate and deep balls. But

781
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 6: they would love nothing more than to be able to

782
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Speaker 6: run the football. And you know what they have though,

783
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Speaker 6: Look they didn't run for a lot of yardage last week,

784
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Speaker 6: but what they do have is that combination of Taylor

785
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Speaker 6: and Richardson as a runner. Richardson ran it ten times,

786
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Speaker 6: Taylor I think in the low twenties and carries so

787
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Speaker 6: you're going to get a lot of runs if they

788
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Speaker 6: stick with it, and we'll see. I think it's a

789
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 6: good plan this week if they can have some success

790
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 6: keep that Detroit offense perhaps on the sideline. So I

791
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 6: think that has to be at least the game plan.

792
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Speaker 6: They have to at least try. Let's put it that way.

793
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Speaker 6: If it works, it works, but you have to at

794
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Speaker 6: least try. And because I think that is such a

795
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 6: fundamental part of their offense that that's where they can

796
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Speaker 6: maybe make this game a little bit of a more

797
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Speaker 6: level playing field.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And to your point, ninety one rushing yards last week,

800
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Speaker 1: but thirty five rush attempts, so they stuck with it,

801
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Speaker 1: you know, and I agree with that. If you're going

802
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Speaker 1: to keep this high power Detroit Lions offense off the field.

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Speaker 1: That's one way to do it. With that combination. What's

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Speaker 1: the key in Steven Holder's opinion for you know, Indianapolis

805
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Speaker 1: to to you know, get a big win, get an

806
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: upset win here at home Sunday.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think a couple of things. Number One, they

808
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 6: got to avoid turnovers. Richardson did not have the interceptions

809
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 6: last week. That's a big step. Did have a fumble.

810
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Speaker 6: Got to be a little bit, you know, kind of

811
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Speaker 6: have that awareness in the pocket, you know when you've

812
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 6: been back there for a little bit. So got a

813
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Speaker 6: sack fumble, short field for the Jets. That keeps them

814
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Speaker 6: in the game and a bad team, you know, with

815
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Speaker 6: a short field. Then they got another two minute drive

816
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Speaker 6: touchdown late in the first half.

817
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Speaker 2: You know.

818
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Speaker 3: So those are the.

819
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Speaker 6: Things that make games that should be lopsided close games.

820
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Speaker 6: And so that's what they got this past week. So

821
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Speaker 6: you can't afford that. So eliminate the turnover obviously, don't

822
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Speaker 6: give Detroit extra chances. The other one for the Colts

823
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Speaker 6: I think is is really getting off the field on

824
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Speaker 6: third down. You know, they have too many instances where

825
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 6: they get teams the third down and then they just

826
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Speaker 6: give up a big play. Their third down percentage just fine.

827
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Speaker 6: I think it's you know, sort of average. But the

828
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Speaker 6: problem is just in some key spots just giving up,

829
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Speaker 6: you know, really just gut punch plays on third down.

830
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Speaker 6: You got to get off the field when you get.

831
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Speaker 6: If you get Detroit the third down, you better make

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Speaker 6: it count.

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Speaker 1: Can this Colts offense score with Detroit? You look it around,

834
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Speaker 1: and they've got weapons, and look for it's got a

835
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Speaker 1: big arm. You look at Pier Savage, what twenty two

836
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: point seven yards per reception? He's there, Jamison Williams, Pittman's

837
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Speaker 1: a good player. I mean, they've got weapons. Could this

838
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Speaker 1: possibly be a high scoring game in Indy?

839
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Speaker 6: I think it could be. It really could be. They

840
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 6: have the potential. They definitely have a decent arsenal on offense.

841
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 6: And you know, their tight ends are not necessarily household names,

842
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 6: but they'll go to them too when the opportunity arises.

843
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 6: I like their receivers. They're an underrated group. Pittman's a

844
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 6: little hurt right now. He'll play, I think, but he's

845
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 6: certainly not himself. But that group overall, the Josh Downs

846
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 6: an incredible player. This year you'll see their slot receiver

847
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 6: you talked about Alec Pearce Ada I mitchell a. D Mitchell,

848
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 6: a rookie out of Texas, is starting to show some signs.

849
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Speaker 6: He is athletically the best wide receiver they have, I believe,

850
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 6: so if he can get going so amy they have

851
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 6: playmakers and then obviously the quarterback. So you put all

852
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 6: that together, that has the potential to stress a defense.

853
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 6: Those guys if they're all contributing, and if they've got

854
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 6: some good schemes to present on Sunday, So we will see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dan Campbell talked about it on Wednesday. He said, look,

856
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: that's a talented group over there, and they're still fighting

857
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: at five and six, very much still alive in the

858
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: AFC play a playoff picture, very much alive in the

859
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: division race. So this is an important game for them

860
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Speaker 1: at home. So it should be fun. I'm looking forward

861
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Speaker 1: to it. See if this line's offense can continue rolling,

862
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: and let's see if Anthony Richardson can continue ruining. There's

863
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: a lot of storylines heading into this one. Steven Holder

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Speaker 1: does a great job for ESPN. Check with him anytime

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Speaker 1: you need anything. Indianapolis Coast, Steve and I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: taking the time so much, and we will see you

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Speaker 1: Sunday in Indy.

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Speaker 6: All right, you got it.