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Speaker 1: Draft Show as we are just forty four days away
Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft, getting into crunch time. Close it
Speaker 1: in on a month until the draft. As we're in
Speaker 1: the middle of March. For this episode of the Draft Show,
Speaker 1: Glad you're with us, Kyle Yeoman's Brian brought us Bucky
Speaker 1: Brooks in the great David Hellman as always our usual
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com. However, Brian I mentioned it's crunch time,
Speaker 1: it's also free agency time. Is this the most hectic
Speaker 1: part of the year, maybe month of the year, these
Speaker 1: last forty five days or so leading up into the draft,
Speaker 1: because not only are you looking for draft prospects, but
Speaker 1: you're trying to fill holes with free agencies. I just
Speaker 1: want to know what it's like in scouting departments and
Speaker 1: front offices around this time of year, because I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's madness, March madness probably per se. Yeah, no, it is,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it give you a very difficult time
Speaker 1: and you have to be able to budget your time.
Speaker 1: And especially with the Dallas Cowboys situation. I remember many
Speaker 1: a day, you know, working on the pro side of things,
Speaker 1: and then we uh myself and staff meeting with Jerry
Speaker 1: and Stephen Jones, and then the head coach is about
Speaker 1: about free agency during draft meetings and things like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was it was a lot of work,
Speaker 1: a lot of build up, and you know, these opening days,
Speaker 1: this tampering period stuff. I mean, we've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of signings already, a lot of guys taken off the
Speaker 1: you know, taken off the street, and so you know,
Speaker 1: that makes it very very difficult now to you know,
Speaker 1: do you have a plan. What is your plan? Your
Speaker 1: is your plan to say, okay, we were going to
Speaker 1: be players in you know in day three, day four,
Speaker 1: day five, whatever a week now, two weeks from now,
Speaker 1: So everybody you'll see teams sticking to your plans. Teams
Speaker 1: like New England, Uh, you know obviously have gone out
Speaker 1: they said, you listen, we weren't good enough last year.
Speaker 1: Go out and make a bunch of signings. But that's
Speaker 1: you know, some teams operate in different ways. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very, very hectic because you're really planning for two things.
Speaker 1: You're trying to prepare your draft boards and things like that,
Speaker 1: and then you're also trying to have your pro free
Speaker 1: agency board and then make sure that those two things
Speaker 1: marry for you. Bucky, what is that process like and
Speaker 1: what are some of your experiences whenever it comes to
Speaker 1: the overlap of the draft process and then free agency
Speaker 1: as well. I think Bryan, it's a very early in
Speaker 1: the process. What you do is you try and assess
Speaker 1: where the draft is strong and where it's week at,
Speaker 1: and if you can have that conversation in January or
Speaker 1: immediately either before the combine or right after the combine,
Speaker 1: it then allows you to put a plan in place
Speaker 1: for free agency. So with the Cowboys, we talk about
Speaker 1: defensive tackles and being able to look at the draft
Speaker 1: and say, hey, not many defensive tackles. If we're gonna
Speaker 1: get a guy inside. We may need to go early
Speaker 1: and heavy in free agency and see what is there.
Speaker 1: And then as some of the other positions, you're seeing
Speaker 1: a lot of wide receivers that are just kind of
Speaker 1: languishing out there. I believe it's because you have teams
Speaker 1: that are looking at the free agent market, is saying
Speaker 1: why overpaid for a pass catch when I can get
Speaker 1: one of these young guys on the cheap and the draft,
Speaker 1: and so it's the constant compare and contrast between what
Speaker 1: is available in the draft, what's available in the free
Speaker 1: agent market, and your scouts all working together to kind
Speaker 1: of figure out what's the best plan for the team
Speaker 1: to go forward. All right, So thank y'all both or
Speaker 1: not making the joke because I was dying to make
Speaker 1: the joke. I mean, how hectic and stressful it is.
Speaker 1: Probably depends on who you work for it, don't you think,
Speaker 1: Because there's a lot more activity in some front offices
Speaker 1: than others this week, if I may be so bold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the first the first axiom of warfare is know the enemy.
Speaker 1: And I think you know the enemy here? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I do think so. I'm I love I love
Speaker 1: a Bucky said, and it's you know, it's not rocket science.
Speaker 1: But I am fascinated when the Cowboys do, you know,
Speaker 1: eventually get around to signing some players, whenever that may be.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what direction they go. You know,
Speaker 1: what does this team need? We all we know you
Speaker 1: know they need. Yeah, shout out to Brian as the
Speaker 1: Philly Philadelphia Eagles GM back and go to YouTube and
Speaker 1: watch me answer that same question for you nineteen. The
Speaker 1: fans know, y'all know what we need the Cowboys defensive backs.
Speaker 1: They need some beef in the interior defensive line, they
Speaker 1: need some offensive tackle depth, etc. Etc. So how do
Speaker 1: they address that here? You know, I'd love to say today,
Speaker 1: but it's probably more like over the next week or two.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you know, do they look to
Speaker 1: beef up defensive tackle? I honestly think that would be
Speaker 1: a great idea, because yeah, I mean this is this
Speaker 1: is not a strong defensive tackle class, at least not
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft. You know. Unfortunately, a
Speaker 1: guy that a lot of people really loved, Dalvin Tomlinson's
Speaker 1: already off the board. I don't think it was ever
Speaker 1: realistic to think he was going to sign with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But man, the deal he got in Minnesota was not
Speaker 1: earth shatter It was now or anywhere close to what
Speaker 1: anybody thought it could be. It was just two years,
Speaker 1: twenty two million dollars, and everybody kind of looked around
Speaker 1: and said, why couldn't we do that? Yeah? More or less? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. I was talking to a guy
Speaker 1: with the Giants on the way home from our radio
Speaker 1: show yesterday and I asked him, as what do you
Speaker 1: think the market is for Dalvin Thomlinson. He says he's
Speaker 1: going to get somewhere between ten and thirteen million dollars
Speaker 1: And I said, well, the Cowboys are out then that
Speaker 1: there's no way, and then he signs basically for eleven
Speaker 1: million dollars. The Cowboys were never going to play in
Speaker 1: that game. And you know, the more that you talk
Speaker 1: to the people in the front office and Dave's right
Speaker 1: and Bucky's right, I mean, you you know what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are going to do. Steven Jones after the Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott during the press conference, he was talking about the
Speaker 1: draft and you know, how to prepare and how much
Speaker 1: confidence he has in Will McClay and those guys. You
Speaker 1: know he was setting you down that road, and then
Speaker 1: more you talk to him, it's like, oh, this cap
Speaker 1: space that they have, it's like, well, guys, we've got
Speaker 1: other things. We have to take care of. Restricted tenders,
Speaker 1: you know, they have to take care of things with
Speaker 1: the practice squad. I mean, there's money they want to
Speaker 1: carry over for things that there's certain things they've already earmarked.
Speaker 1: So if you're a fan you're looking at cap space
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, you're thinking, all right, they go get
Speaker 1: a guy. But to in it's like that money has
Speaker 1: already spent. We see it, but they've already spent it.
Speaker 1: So that's the way they operate in I know, if
Speaker 1: a week from now there's somebody still lingering out there,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's where they jump in. But they're
Speaker 1: they're not going to be spenders in this thing initially,
Speaker 1: like what we've seen the Newland Patriots do the last
Speaker 1: couple of days, which and for the record, I do
Speaker 1: not want the Cowboys to behave like the Patriots. I
Speaker 1: don't think they need to do that. I think that's reckless.
Speaker 1: The Patriots are doing this because absolutely, absolutely no, it's
Speaker 1: absolutely find me the team that has set the pace
Speaker 1: for like most money spent in free agency, and tell
Speaker 1: me how they did, and tell me how those contracts
Speaker 1: worked out. The Patriots are doing this because they don't
Speaker 1: have any talent on their roster, like they they like,
Speaker 1: how many guys do the Patriots have as a starter, right,
Speaker 1: I mean the answers differ now because they signed all
Speaker 1: these good players, but like coming into this week, coming
Speaker 1: into this week, like how many blue chip players did
Speaker 1: they have, Like they haven't drafted that. Well, they're gonna
Speaker 1: get some guys back from COVID opt outs. You know,
Speaker 1: Dante high Towers a good players, Stefan Gilmour is a
Speaker 1: good player, but their talent poor team in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and that's why they're doing that. Having said that, we've
Speaker 1: you know, we've done this a million times. I'm tired
Speaker 1: of saying it. Like the Cowboys need to find a
Speaker 1: better balance, you know. Going back to the press conference
Speaker 1: from last week, Brian Jerry Jones also said, anything I've
Speaker 1: ever gotten that was worth the money I overpaid for
Speaker 1: And any time I ever thought I was getting a bargain,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I was getting. Which the irony there
Speaker 1: is pretty palpable, you know, saying that a week before
Speaker 1: free agency opens, knowing that the Cowboys are bargain hunters
Speaker 1: and free agency, Yeah he was. He was talking about
Speaker 1: guys he drafted like Tyrant Smith and Zack Martin and
Speaker 1: Maury Cooper and people. Well he didn't draft Mary Cooper,
Speaker 1: traded for Mary Cooper. But yeah, I mean your point,
Speaker 1: your point is right, Dave. They really the Cowboys don't
Speaker 1: have that balance. Steven Jones, And there was an error
Speaker 1: where I was working for the team where we spent
Speaker 1: like drunken sailors because we were so bad at drafting.
Speaker 1: You know, we were just terrible at drafting. And you
Speaker 1: have to supplement your missus. You know, you're right, you
Speaker 1: have to find a roster. The problem with the Patriots
Speaker 1: that they're lacking at the most important position, and that's quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, so they'll probably address that during the draft.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that it's you have to have balance,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys really don't. They believe in free agency
Speaker 1: as signing their own that that's their philosophy. They look
Speaker 1: at Dak Prescott as one of the best free agent
Speaker 1: signings in the history of the National Football League. That's
Speaker 1: how they view that, right, Now everybody else is like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just signing your own. But they look at it
Speaker 1: as like, you know, this guy had a chance. You
Speaker 1: know we could. This guy could have got to free agency.
Speaker 1: We signed him. That's just how those guys operate. Now
Speaker 1: they also think like, yeah, I think it's important to
Speaker 1: note like sometimes you want to be a little slower
Speaker 1: to the party so you don't overpad, because remember the
Speaker 1: leverage flips after seventy two hours. If you're a player,
Speaker 1: if you haven't signed a deal within the first seventy
Speaker 1: two hours, now it's like musical chairs because now you
Speaker 1: were all the big money's gone. I just got to
Speaker 1: sign the best deal that I can find. And if
Speaker 1: you're a team who can target a handful of players
Speaker 1: where you know, okay, they may slip through the cracks,
Speaker 1: there's some deals to be made that will help the team.
Speaker 1: And we can talk about Dalvin Thomason. I'm not paying
Speaker 1: a love million dollars for a no staff but that
Speaker 1: doesn't really rusht the passes Like it's one of those
Speaker 1: things like, yeah, we need to stop the run and
Speaker 1: do those things, but you don't want to overpay for
Speaker 1: that because especially coming off the heels of Dontari Poel
Speaker 1: and Gerald McCoy and those guys. I think there's a
Speaker 1: little snake They've been snake bit because they spent money
Speaker 1: last year and they didn't get anything out of the position.
Speaker 1: I think they want to avoid that. So I'm really
Speaker 1: glad you said that, Bucky, because Dave and Bryan are
Speaker 1: talking this balance, this balance between free agency and the draft,
Speaker 1: and it is it's a it's a tight rope you
Speaker 1: have to walk as a front office. Is there ever
Speaker 1: any frustration from either side because you have the pro
Speaker 1: scouting department, you have the collegian scouting department. You have
Speaker 1: both sides of that coin, and you have to walk
Speaker 1: the line between the two. Is there ever frustration or
Speaker 1: any kind of tension between the two sides, Bucky? Whenever
Speaker 1: these kind of conversations are hitting the table and you're
Speaker 1: kind of finally getting to crunch time around this part
Speaker 1: of the year, it depends on the background of does
Speaker 1: decision maker. If the decision maker comes from the collegiate side,
Speaker 1: he's more apt to listen to the college scouts. He's
Speaker 1: more likely to take an approach that is a draft
Speaker 1: and developed, home grown approach. If it's a guy that
Speaker 1: may have spend most of the time on the pro side.
Speaker 1: He may feel like he has a better handle on
Speaker 1: free agents and how to fill him in to the gap.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of that. Like where you come from,
Speaker 1: you have some natural biases. Hopefully what you can do
Speaker 1: is have very constructive conversations where you figure out a
Speaker 1: what is ask for what we need right now? Do
Speaker 1: we need to go in the draft, we need to
Speaker 1: go free agency. But it could be contentious, It can
Speaker 1: be a little acrimonious. Yeah, well, Bucky, you better love
Speaker 1: me as a pro guy because I'm getting your compensatory picks.
Speaker 1: When these uh, you know, when these guys when you
Speaker 1: know when we when we trade when we trade for
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn, when we trained for Robert Quinn and he
Speaker 1: gets eleven and a half sacks and then we get you,
Speaker 1: you know, a third fourth round pick to help with
Speaker 1: the draft. Who did pick? What did the pick turn into?
Speaker 1: And we don't know yet, we don't know. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's one for this draft. Softit me hit me back. Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you, I got you to
Speaker 1: pick for. You know, I got you to pick for.
Speaker 1: I got you to pick at four one thirty five.
Speaker 1: He took Prescott. Nice job on that one. Good job,
Speaker 1: you know, So that's all good. That's a good one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's hey. I will say this. I'll say this Kyle
Speaker 1: real quick, and I know I'm never quick, but I'll
Speaker 1: say this. They're they're in a situation right now. Will
Speaker 1: McClay and as pro guys had a bad offseason last year.
Speaker 1: They had a bad off season. And that's Will mcclay's
Speaker 1: baby right there. That's his area of expertise. He coordinates
Speaker 1: what they do when all the scouting. I think his
Speaker 1: area of expertise though, is the pro side of things.
Speaker 1: So where he came from. Yeah, those guys had a
Speaker 1: bad they had a bad offseason, and you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a thing that stings him. But you
Speaker 1: also got to give him credit for what I was
Speaker 1: talking about with Robert Quinn. They saw, you know, Chris
Speaker 1: Greer down in Miami, New GM, they saw a bad
Speaker 1: scheme fit for a player. They made a trade. This
Speaker 1: is where if I'm the Cowboys, that I do take
Speaker 1: what compensatory picks we got and maybe target somebody else's
Speaker 1: team and instead of getting guys that are out there
Speaker 1: on free agency. Maybe you say, Okay, i'll give you
Speaker 1: this third round pick, compenstor I'll give you this fourth
Speaker 1: round fit. I'll give you this fifth round pick that
Speaker 1: I got in order to try and facilitate of trading
Speaker 1: for a guy. Maybe that is established that you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy, we could plug him in immediately. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: need to get back to doing things that way more
Speaker 1: so than you know the Don Terry Po's and the
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoys did. If you watched them play, they look
Speaker 1: like they're two three years removed from how good they
Speaker 1: once were. When you look at the Cowboys front office
Speaker 1: and there's this, like you said, kind of the split
Speaker 1: between the pro and the college, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's Have you guys remembered a year where there
Speaker 1: is such a pro and collegiant split as there was
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, because I'm trying to look back, and
Speaker 1: I don't think I have one. Because the draft was
Speaker 1: so highly touted, you ended up bringing in three or
Speaker 1: four long time starters for the Cowboys, and then you
Speaker 1: turn around and like you said, you signed five or
Speaker 1: six guys that you think are going to be somewhat
Speaker 1: potential starters, and they don't even make it out of
Speaker 1: training camp. Haklinton, Dick's, Dontari Poe, even Gerald McCoy if
Speaker 1: you want to talk about the injury. Those three guys
Speaker 1: didn't even make it out of training camp without really
Speaker 1: making an impact. And I know Po played, but he
Speaker 1: never really made an impact at any point at three season.
Speaker 1: Poe is here for how he was here? He was?
Speaker 1: He really here? Him looking at the box score exactly?
Speaker 1: Was he was? He really hired? With you? Not so much?
Speaker 1: But has there ever been a split Dave whenever it
Speaker 1: comes to those two sides, like there was a year
Speaker 1: ago and can the Cowboys afford to do that again?
Speaker 1: I mean last year was an extreme example because the
Speaker 1: draft was so good and free agency was so bad.
Speaker 1: But I'd say that's kind of been the story of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys over the last seven or eight years. Obviously,
Speaker 1: that's where my expertise is gonna lie because that's who
Speaker 1: I cover three hundred and sixty five days a year.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, this is a team that has
Speaker 1: drafted much better than most over the last at least
Speaker 1: six or seven years, and they just don't do a
Speaker 1: ton in free agency. I mean, honestly, in the time
Speaker 1: that I've covered the team, they're far and away. Best
Speaker 1: free agency acquisition was probably Jeremy Menzi, who like, nice guy,
Speaker 1: solid role player on a couple of good teams. But like,
Speaker 1: if that's if that's the best that you're doing for me,
Speaker 1: that's not good because and that's that's kind of my
Speaker 1: point is, you know, even teams that build through the
Speaker 1: draft find ways to add premium talent through free agency.
Speaker 1: You know, I bring it up all the times. You know,
Speaker 1: I know Howie Roseman's in hot water right now. I
Speaker 1: know the Eagles look like a garbage fire right now,
Speaker 1: but they made a handful of amazing moves in free
Speaker 1: agency to help build that roster into a team that
Speaker 1: eventually won Super Bowl. You know, Malcolm Jenkins was a
Speaker 1: free agency acquisition Rodney McLeod, Tim Jernigan, which you know,
Speaker 1: to Bryant's point, that was a trade that brought a
Speaker 1: quality young player onto an already good defensive line. Like
Speaker 1: I said, you got to find a balance. I don't
Speaker 1: want them to set the market in terms of money spent,
Speaker 1: but rubbing quarters together, trying to turn it into a
Speaker 1: quality roster clearly that doesn't work either. We've seen it
Speaker 1: many many times times. Now Tampa did it just pass
Speaker 1: here in the Super Bowl. If you look at what
Speaker 1: they drafted really well on defense, but if you had
Speaker 1: in Domi Kun Sue guys like that, you know that
Speaker 1: that makes a difference for your team. And that Tom
Speaker 1: Brady guy that they had a free agency helps out
Speaker 1: a lot as well. Which Tom Brady is obviously the
Speaker 1: ultimate outlier, but in my Shaquille Barrett was a free
Speaker 1: agency acquisition as well. Oh yeah he was. He was
Speaker 1: playing second fiddle to Von Miller for a few years
Speaker 1: and now he's you know, he's a you know, big
Speaker 1: money guy. He's got I think he's got thirty sacks
Speaker 1: in two years with the Bucks free agency acquisition. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's I think thee Yeah. But I think
Speaker 1: that also comes down to scheme fit. Because Shag Barrett
Speaker 1: in three or four years with the Broncos had fourteen
Speaker 1: and a half sacks. Who would imagine that he would
Speaker 1: come to Tampa in his first year have nineteen and
Speaker 1: a half. Like that's partially like the numbers being inflated
Speaker 1: a little bit by playing with top bowls and top Bowls,
Speaker 1: creating these blitzes to have one on one opportunities. But
Speaker 1: that's all the part of the deal. And if the
Speaker 1: coaches and the scouting staffs during lockstep and they're able
Speaker 1: to clearly get them the same page with here's what
Speaker 1: we need, here's how we're going to play him, this
Speaker 1: is why he's going to be effective for us. It
Speaker 1: can work, it can't work. And specifically with kind of
Speaker 1: keeping that balance between free agency and the draft, I
Speaker 1: kind of want to get you guys's opinion on positions
Speaker 1: of need for the Cowboys that are better suited to
Speaker 1: go after in free agency rather than the draft, because
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been talking about corner safety, defensive line,
Speaker 1: interior defensive line specifically for the Cowboys on the show
Speaker 1: throughout really the forty episodes or whatever. We're at at
Speaker 1: this very moment. However, there's still a long way to
Speaker 1: go in free agency side of things. So, Brian, when
Speaker 1: you look at both the free agency class and the
Speaker 1: draft class, is there any position that you feel better
Speaker 1: for one way or the other. Well, the thing about
Speaker 1: it is what they're probably going to do now is
Speaker 1: you can lean on your coaches a little bit about
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm talking about the d I'm looking
Speaker 1: more at the defensive side of the ball. Uh you
Speaker 1: know what, maybe I'm in the minority here real quick
Speaker 1: about these defensive tackles. I think they're actually a pretty
Speaker 1: good group in the draft. I know there's not the
Speaker 1: top guy up there. We've seen Alabama. I mean, Barmore's
Speaker 1: probably on everybody's lists and stuff like that. But we've
Speaker 1: gone through that that second, third, fourth round, and I
Speaker 1: mean there's some quality guys there. I wouldn't be opposed
Speaker 1: to having some of those kids coming and play that
Speaker 1: nose tackle spot and be just fine. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think if you're the Cowboy, if you're a Cowboy fan,
Speaker 1: you've got it. Then we always like to connect the
Speaker 1: dots with Dan Quinn and and that crew. And you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: what players did he have? Did he have? Okay? Who
Speaker 1: he have in Seattle? Okay, who'd he have in Atlanta?
Speaker 1: You know, I was asking some scouts this morning about
Speaker 1: Kazee the same yet that everybody's got the Cowboys tied
Speaker 1: to first three years. Man guy was super aggressive, super
Speaker 1: after a ballhawking type guy. Last year, it played not
Speaker 1: to get hurt and what happened to him. He got hurt.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's there's all kinds of things that
Speaker 1: I think now it's going to turn into familiarity, and
Speaker 1: like Bucky says, it's musical chairs when you're when you're
Speaker 1: a guy and you're thinking, Okay, I don't have a job,
Speaker 1: and so okay, where am I going to go? I
Speaker 1: need to go to someplace where I have some familiarity
Speaker 1: with the coach who might take care of me. You know,
Speaker 1: Joe Witt might take care of a Kazie or somebody
Speaker 1: like that. Again, coming off of Achilles injury, a lot
Speaker 1: of positive things. He is a true Cover three free
Speaker 1: Satan Now Neil on the other side, his teammate, that
Speaker 1: guy is a is a strong safety. So to me,
Speaker 1: I'm not going that route. I'm trying to find a
Speaker 1: true free. And if you want to connect the dots
Speaker 1: with Atlanta's Kazee who was at San Diego State, who
Speaker 1: was a corner who was a converted into a safety,
Speaker 1: connected dots, that might be a good one for you
Speaker 1: to start with. Yeah, I think Brian, you're right on it.
Speaker 1: I would expect to see a bunch of Falcons defectees
Speaker 1: find their way to Dallas. But they'll find it at
Speaker 1: the right price because you waited out. Okay, keanuneill go
Speaker 1: see what's out there for you. Oh you can't find
Speaker 1: the hole, Maybe we can find the spot for where
Speaker 1: you make your work. Same thing with I think it's
Speaker 1: Ricardo Allen and Demante Casey. Those guys know the system
Speaker 1: and allows you to really get a jump start on
Speaker 1: what you want to do. And I know they attempted
Speaker 1: it last year with hahah Clinton Dix. It's a little
Speaker 1: different because the defense is different. This would be players
Speaker 1: coming out of the same system going to coaches that
Speaker 1: know them, that coached him as recently as last year.
Speaker 1: I think there's something. I think the one guy that
Speaker 1: I would keep an eye on that I'm fascinated what
Speaker 1: his free agency ends up looking like, and that would
Speaker 1: be former LSU standout Patrick Peterson. Because there's conversation about
Speaker 1: Pat moving inside to play safety. It's not the easiest move.
Speaker 1: I don't think he necessarily has to juice anymore to
Speaker 1: play corner, but I would be intrigued by him playing
Speaker 1: free safety at this stage of his career. I think
Speaker 1: he still has a lot to offer if he'll tackle
Speaker 1: because he's never really been a tacklic If he'll tackle,
Speaker 1: I think he has a lot to offer. Yeah, that's Spucky,
Speaker 1: it's real quick game. I know you're gonna make a
Speaker 1: point about this. But in radio, I have a group
Speaker 1: called the Gang of Seven. They're my seven general managers
Speaker 1: that are kind of working the shadows for me, and
Speaker 1: I was talking to them about Patrick Peterson. They think
Speaker 1: that there's enough market pat for Patrick Peterson still play
Speaker 1: corner that he might not be on the Charles Woodson
Speaker 1: transition train or Rod Woodson transition train or any of
Speaker 1: those guys that moved from corner to safety later in
Speaker 1: their career. They feel like that there's still enough of
Speaker 1: a market for him as a corner that he might
Speaker 1: not make that trans issue. But you're absolutely right, Bucky,
Speaker 1: that's one that I would clearly, clearly work on right
Speaker 1: now at the corner position. I mean, what was that, Dave,
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Kyle, I was just gonna go ahead. I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say the corner position might turn out
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more of a neat than
Speaker 1: safety because we do have some cowboys breaking news here
Speaker 1: on the Draft show. For those of you who are
Speaker 1: watching live, so your buddy, Mike Garofolo from the NFL network,
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks tweeting out three minutes ago Bengals agree to
Speaker 1: terms on a three year contract with former Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: corner Shouldobe a woozier source says, since he continuing to
Speaker 1: make moves on defense, so Shouldobe seemingly on his way
Speaker 1: out that when a report from the NFL network, So
Speaker 1: we might unpack that a little bit and we might
Speaker 1: talk about how there's an are we broken? What was
Speaker 1: it broken up about that? No? Not really, am am
Speaker 1: I other one? How didn't get the rows on The
Speaker 1: Bachelor last night? Like I'm just trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how I should be broken? And now my reactions should
Speaker 1: be to Cheeto. I think I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: pat myself and Pat. I think pat us all off
Speaker 1: the back because we've been saving me on the back. No,
Speaker 1: you deserve it too. We've been saying for weeks, like Cheeto,
Speaker 1: Cheetos going to get a bigger, better deal than a
Speaker 1: lot of people would have guessed. And the fact that
Speaker 1: he's signing it before free agency even opens is a
Speaker 1: testament to that fact. How much was the money for
Speaker 1: we wasn't figures yet, Okay, because they overpaid for Trey Henderson,
Speaker 1: so yes they did. Things are just out there just
Speaker 1: spitting money out, like, yeah, Lawson was a better player, myself,
Speaker 1: much better. I can't understand they paid big money for
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson. Well, the silly stuff happens during free agency. Man,
Speaker 1: they let will Johnson walk. Is that what his name was?
Speaker 1: The other corner that was in SINCI. I can't remember
Speaker 1: what he is? Oh, will William Jackson. William Jackson, that's
Speaker 1: what William Jackson from Houston. Yes, yeah, yeah, they let
Speaker 1: him walk as well, so former first rounder. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I mean they're making some move as well. But we're
Speaker 1: gonna take our quick break here on the Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1: questions to choose from. That's gonna be a tough to
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Speaker 1: presented by Miller Light. Glad you're with us. Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, David Helm and I'm Kyle Yeoman's time now
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Speaker 1: Beam as always in the back doing fantastic work. And
Speaker 1: I just have to give a shout out to all
Speaker 1: those draft nerds out there that are watching and listening
Speaker 1: to our show and their interaction on Twitter. I've got
Speaker 1: close to seventy questions for Twitter on the twenty this week,
Speaker 1: which is just unbelievable to be seventy questions? Are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? This is awesome? I mean, we could do
Speaker 1: an entire show on this, and maybe we'll have to
Speaker 1: at some point, But got plenty to talk about here
Speaker 1: on Twitter on the twenty and I'm gonna start things
Speaker 1: off with we talk about improving the defense, and basically
Speaker 1: it kind of goes back into what we were talking
Speaker 1: about in that first segment. But this comes from speaking
Speaker 1: dim boys on Twitter says, when we commit to improving
Speaker 1: the defense, obviously isn't in free agency. So can we
Speaker 1: commit the tenth pick, forty fourth pick, third and fourth
Speaker 1: round picks to premium defenders and get developmental offensive tackle
Speaker 1: in the later rounds? This goes against kind of what
Speaker 1: we talked about last week as well, a potential of
Speaker 1: maybe spending high premium picks. Bucky, I know you were
Speaker 1: on that bandwagon as well on offensive tackle early. Is
Speaker 1: there a chance that you find an offensive tackle that
Speaker 1: late in the draft this year? I mean intensively, you're
Speaker 1: looking at the same kind of situation that you had
Speaker 1: last year. I mean, when you draft an offensive tackle late,
Speaker 1: like you're not getting one of the premier guys that
Speaker 1: is a plug and play guy. And so when you
Speaker 1: take a developmental guy, you're talking about two or three
Speaker 1: years before they're really ready to play and play at
Speaker 1: a high level. I think it's uncommon. I can't remember
Speaker 1: the last late round offensive tackle to emerge as a
Speaker 1: guy like I know Jason Peters went from being an
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent tied end to emerge and as a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl tackle. But that's an uncommon situation. You just
Speaker 1: don't haven't see that happen often. Yeah, I thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: go ahead, brand Yeah, No, I mean I do think
Speaker 1: there's some guys late and maybe maybe there's a guy
Speaker 1: that you can develop. I'm just gonna throw a name
Speaker 1: out there. I watched this guy, Walker Little from Stanford.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that it's been kind of banged up.
Speaker 1: He heard his knee against Wisconsin against Northwestern a while back,
Speaker 1: and then and then now he's sitting out because of
Speaker 1: the COVID. He went out because of the COVID. But
Speaker 1: that's the type of guy you're kind of thinking about,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a guy that kind of was banged up,
Speaker 1: he sat out because of COVID. You know, people are
Speaker 1: gonna have to go back in their notes. The guy
Speaker 1: six seven twenty pounds, maybe you don't have, Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: have a great feel for him, and he might fall
Speaker 1: through the cracks, but that's one of those guys that
Speaker 1: you think, Okay, there's some talent there. I just kind
Speaker 1: of like keep an eye on guys like that, try
Speaker 1: and look for those guys in that fourth round. That
Speaker 1: I'm not saying look at the sixth and seventh round.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm sure in the NFL history there's
Speaker 1: a sixth round tackle or something. I trust me, I
Speaker 1: know there's one out there. But maybe keep a guy.
Speaker 1: You kind of look at your board when you're building
Speaker 1: it and see where the walker little guys fall on
Speaker 1: those kinds of things. I think that's where you can
Speaker 1: you can find that guy that that could definitely help
Speaker 1: you on a Day two type of the situation. I
Speaker 1: like that, right, I tend to. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: dislike that at all for the record, And I mean,
Speaker 1: if they wait until like the fourth round to draft
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle, I won't be I won't be super
Speaker 1: upset about it. I do tend to agree with Bucky.
Speaker 1: There's a handful of positions where if you're drafting him
Speaker 1: outside the top one hundred, then the odds are against
Speaker 1: you that he's ever gonna be amazing. You know, I
Speaker 1: think I've brought it up before. You gotta take it
Speaker 1: ninety nine. Just go ahead and make it then and
Speaker 1: you'll be that's hey, that's totally fine. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we all know. You know, Richard Sherman's going to the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. That doesn't mean you should count on
Speaker 1: finding all pro cornerbacks in the fifth round of the draft,
Speaker 1: Like it's not a good strategy. But again, I am
Speaker 1: bullish on Tyron Smith and Lyle Collins. I feel very
Speaker 1: good that they'll be able to play the vast majority
Speaker 1: of the season. For you the problem, Oh no, Bucky,
Speaker 1: just fast, the vast majority. Tell us Smith has been hurt.
Speaker 1: Every use is twenty sixteen, Like, hey, there is big
Speaker 1: different we got it free seven. There is a seven, big,
Speaker 1: big difference between missing three games and missing fourteen games.
Speaker 1: That like you can't even deny. So you know what
Speaker 1: I got, I got to you're the guy that likes
Speaker 1: to work Monday through Thursday. You don't like to work Friday.
Speaker 1: Friday's not in your work. Yeah, I would just say
Speaker 1: we'd just take it. We'd just take a mandatory a
Speaker 1: mandatory game off because we're load managing Tavern Smith, so
Speaker 1: we're randomly picked these three games that he's going to miss.
Speaker 1: You and Brian are the guys that are, like, you're
Speaker 1: not really working unless you're in the office holiday Saturday
Speaker 1: and during holidays too, y'all are gonna burn yourselves out.
Speaker 1: That's why Brian is trying to go to the lake
Speaker 1: at fifty seven years old, get out of here. The
Speaker 1: point being, the point being I'm now I'm mad again.
Speaker 1: It's fine. They're going They're gonna be whatever. They're gonna
Speaker 1: be fine, I think. And either way, the overall point
Speaker 1: I wanted to make is that if you're just drafting defenders,
Speaker 1: to say you're drafting defenders, you're going against the spirit
Speaker 1: of this whole thing. Like, look at look at the
Speaker 1: value that's available to you at each in each individual pick.
Speaker 1: If Rashaan Slater is far and away your best option
Speaker 1: at ten, you should draft him. If if attack you know,
Speaker 1: if if Jenkins the Oklahoma state guy is there for
Speaker 1: you at forty four and you think he's loads better
Speaker 1: than everybody else, you should draft him. Like you can't
Speaker 1: just be like, we need defenders, so our first four
Speaker 1: picks need to be defenders. That's not how this works. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would even look at Elijah Vera Tucker at ten
Speaker 1: because I just think that Elijah very Tucker can play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can play outside, he can play inside. You talk
Speaker 1: about we talk about the guard position being a question mark,
Speaker 1: why not get like, why not if you're gonna pay
Speaker 1: the million dollar baby like you paid Dak Prescott, I
Speaker 1: want to put him in bubble wraps so he doesn't
Speaker 1: get touched. Yea. And so if you're gonna make that commendment,
Speaker 1: you're paying forty two million dollars for your quarterback, then
Speaker 1: you need to make sure that he's upright. I don't
Speaker 1: want to necessarily go and buy it Bentley and put
Speaker 1: it on spare tires, like put some rims on it,
Speaker 1: make it look nice or whatever, like make sure that
Speaker 1: he is protected so you can score. Because their best
Speaker 1: defense is gonna be their offense. I don't think they
Speaker 1: can find enough firepower this year to make that defense
Speaker 1: a top ten defense. But I do know if they
Speaker 1: put thirty to thirty five points up, it makes it
Speaker 1: a lot easier just to rush the pass. And when
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about the running game, scud
Speaker 1: and draft Kyle Pitch and everything will be Everything's t
Speaker 1: I mean, if you feel like that, control the middle,
Speaker 1: like why not, like, why not just just just go
Speaker 1: all the way in all offense, all gas, no brakes, Yoh,
Speaker 1: I hate you, Bucket continues the sark get them sark.
Speaker 1: Bucket continues spitting out these metaphors, and then they also
Speaker 1: had a bit of a spit take earlier whenever Dave
Speaker 1: provided his answer, I guess I still can't get over
Speaker 1: I don't know how fucking and I became more thal
Speaker 1: in him idea. We're not ever serious're just taking a
Speaker 1: very conservative approach. Last year, I watched you guys, You're like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's defense, and put like, what are we Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what we're doing that. I watch DK Metcalf.
Speaker 1: I watched DK Metcalf and Christian Kirk get five yards
Speaker 1: behind this defense. That's what happened. You're not wrong, You're
Speaker 1: not wrong at all. All right, This next question comes
Speaker 1: from mister Maya. I hope I said that name wrong
Speaker 1: or right? I hope I said it right, Am I age,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it wrong. Does the signing
Speaker 1: of Noah brown As. Noah brown As agreed the terms
Speaker 1: for a one year deal with the Cowboys reduce a
Speaker 1: chance that we look for a late round receiver in
Speaker 1: this draft, and he put Jalen Darden, of course, my
Speaker 1: favorite North Texas Darden, the Dallas everybody or Dad's Knewsome,
Speaker 1: et cetera. These different late round receivers. Brian, do you
Speaker 1: think bringing back a Noah Brown maybe stifles that a
Speaker 1: little bit, as he could be your fourth receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that they have to think. And then Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson was also given his tender there as well, so yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think that there's always going
Speaker 1: to be about depth. You know, will they use draft picks?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, you know, unless somebody me personally though,
Speaker 1: if you did something where you moved on from a receiver,
Speaker 1: say you moved on from Michael Gallup, say someone trying
Speaker 1: to blow you away with a deal right now to
Speaker 1: get him. But like book he's talking about, this receiver
Speaker 1: class is pretty deep. I don't know if it abody
Speaker 1: will blow you away with an offer for somebody you
Speaker 1: currently have. I think if the Cowboys we're going to
Speaker 1: do something, me personally, I would go get somebody from
Speaker 1: the law firm of more and more, our old miss
Speaker 1: guy and then are also our product guy because to me,
Speaker 1: the shorter type play two two at wells another one.
Speaker 1: This league is going to where the smaller type of guy,
Speaker 1: the inside players, maybe you can kick, you can kick
Speaker 1: CD outside, but if you had a guy that was
Speaker 1: a little bit shifty and can do a lot of
Speaker 1: different things. But yeah, I think that these signings, I
Speaker 1: think that kind of takes them out of the market
Speaker 1: right now for a draft and a wide receiver, I
Speaker 1: would just throw out out that at the end, I mean,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they do have ten
Speaker 1: picks and the majority of those are Day three. You know,
Speaker 1: if they like a guy, if they like a guy
Speaker 1: and they don't want to let him get to free agency,
Speaker 1: maybe they draft him. You know, I'm I know he
Speaker 1: wasn't a pick. He wasn't a draft pick, but I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about Jalen Guyden a year or two ago. Another
Speaker 1: if they if they love yeah, if they love a
Speaker 1: guy like that, and they would you know, kind of
Speaker 1: like bend Nucci last year, like you'd rather draft him
Speaker 1: than trying them in on him, maybe you do that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think you know, Noah and Cedric both
Speaker 1: being here for this season, unless something crazy happens. I
Speaker 1: think you could probably rule out a big pick being
Speaker 1: spent on receiver Bucky. I mean, I'm with it. No,
Speaker 1: I would think that it would be a Day three guy, Hightway,
Speaker 1: speed guy, guy that can play special teams because eventually
Speaker 1: Noah Brown and Sid Wilson like that's that's where their
Speaker 1: contributions are going to come in. And so you have
Speaker 1: to kind of get some guys that are up and
Speaker 1: ready to replace those guys when they move on, and
Speaker 1: maybe they're able to offer something that if you look,
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, I can see him maybe being a
Speaker 1: natural fielding for Michael Gallup as a one dimensional type
Speaker 1: player on the edge, you also have special teams value.
Speaker 1: It just kind of depends on how they view Michael Galliman,
Speaker 1: how they view not twenty twenty one, but how do
Speaker 1: they view what their roster could look like in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. Yeah, they get ready. They're gonna draft Waddle
Speaker 1: at ten, So oh, let's go Burger's baby somewhere. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Cavanaugh is smiling, But I mean, why not? Noting? Why not?
Speaker 1: But why not? Even though even though I wouldn't, even
Speaker 1: though I wouldn't draft the wide receiver in the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: were there, I would I would say I would maybe
Speaker 1: colpis at ten. I would be intrigued. You can get me,
Speaker 1: you get your wide receiver in a second and third round.
Speaker 1: Come on, right, like they're eight million of them. I'm
Speaker 1: with you, man, And come on, I came in the
Speaker 1: same program you did. Yeah, there you go. Next question
Speaker 1: comes from aspiring journalist on Twitter. Give him some puffs.
Speaker 1: He not have names on Twitter accounts? No, that's what
Speaker 1: I actually says. Seriously, the name and the handle have
Speaker 1: aspiring aspiring journalists on there. Come on, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's got the really cool aspiring journalists. Put your name
Speaker 1: out there. He's got on your Twitter handle. Manuh so
Speaker 1: that's the question, Kyle, Yeah, Joe Thomas leaving. Does that
Speaker 1: decrease or it does He's saying it does decrease the
Speaker 1: depth a linebacker. But does it increase the chance of
Speaker 1: drafting a linebacker in the first two rounds in your opinion? Bright? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I would get ready. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people and stuff like that that
Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about Parsons and people. You know that.
Speaker 1: Bolden from Missouri Choral Moore Notre Dame. I think people
Speaker 1: think maybe him as a safety and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I I would not discount out a linebacker here. And
Speaker 1: I'm always doing this because we need to figure out.
Speaker 1: If you're a Cowboy fan, you need to figure out
Speaker 1: what the contract situation is for late Vanders. Dave told
Speaker 1: you last week that's a nine million dollar buy right
Speaker 1: there in the fifth year option in May. You know
Speaker 1: you've got health issues with Jalen Smith. You know he
Speaker 1: plays well sometimes other times he does it. They don't
Speaker 1: have a whole heck of a lot of depth there.
Speaker 1: I think that when at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they took corner, linebacker, linebacker, corner.
Speaker 1: It's some combination, is I think it would be the
Speaker 1: first first two picks. To be honest with you, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would like to see him double up at some
Speaker 1: point a linebacker. I would like to see him give
Speaker 1: one maybe in a second and get another guy that
Speaker 1: can play maybe in the fourth with the laden Vanda
Speaker 1: still look. I think with Jaylen Smith Van Vanders, I
Speaker 1: think they both of question marks nine million dollars on
Speaker 1: the option for Vanda as considering his injury history to
Speaker 1: me would be a little rich and then would in
Speaker 1: the smith. You just never know which one is going
Speaker 1: to show up, and so I think you have to
Speaker 1: prepare to get some running chase guys. I do too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a. I was a fan of Joe Thomas.
Speaker 1: I thought for how they got him and what they
Speaker 1: asked him to do you know that you need guys
Speaker 1: like that on your team, Like they can step in
Speaker 1: and start and they can play a lot of special teams.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah awesome. Losing Joe Thomas is not what
Speaker 1: makes linebacker need not knowing what you have in your two.
Speaker 1: But that's not That's not the issue for me. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask one more question, and I kind of
Speaker 1: want this to kind of trickle into the final segment
Speaker 1: here as well, but it comes from call me Krupa
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and he if this question says, are we
Speaker 1: waste too much time talking about top safety and top
Speaker 1: defensive tackle prospects in this class? Knowing how this team
Speaker 1: in the past has historically approached these positions, Should we
Speaker 1: instead be focusing on Day three names at each of
Speaker 1: those two positions? So that's the question that I'm going
Speaker 1: to pose. We're gonna take a break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I'll ask it again and we'll kind of talk about
Speaker 1: some of those names that if the Cowboys elective to
Speaker 1: go offensive, tackle and corner early on, then safety and
Speaker 1: d tackle would then follow later on when we come
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Speaker 1: has always and I put that question out there prior
Speaker 1: to going to break. Are we talking too much about
Speaker 1: premium defensive tackle and premium safety prospects early in this draft?
Speaker 1: And we talked a lot about both of those positions.
Speaker 1: But it's very likely that, given the historical past of
Speaker 1: this Cowboys organization, that they neglect that position early in
Speaker 1: this draft class or they just simply don't want to
Speaker 1: invest draft capital in there at all. So, Dave, whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to later round prospects, one should we be
Speaker 1: talking about those names? And two are there any names
Speaker 1: that stick out to you? Well? This guy sounds a
Speaker 1: lot like me, because I'm usually the one that's saying like,
Speaker 1: don't like, just tell me what the Cowboys are gonna do,
Speaker 1: Like that's what I care about. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: the purpose of the show is to investigate and educate, Like,
Speaker 1: just because the Cowboys don't care about those positions doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that we shouldn't talk about it, because Lord knows,
Speaker 1: we like to bang those drums and make ourselves feel
Speaker 1: smart later on when Antoine Winfield Junior balls out for
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl champion team. Yeah, so the answer to
Speaker 1: the My answer to that question is no, Like, just
Speaker 1: because the Cowboys aren't going to do it, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: we shouldn't at least say, hey, here are the guys
Speaker 1: that they're ignoring for some reason. Yeah, I think guys
Speaker 1: that To me, it's the element of let's not take
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle and let's not take as safety as
Speaker 1: now out of the building. I think the previous coaching
Speaker 1: staff was they will do a thirty for thirty on
Speaker 1: all the problems that they had trying to find defensive
Speaker 1: players when it was set up for them to draft
Speaker 1: defensive players. So I think with a different element in
Speaker 1: the building, Dan Quinn Joe Wit. You know, I think
Speaker 1: that there will be a different direction there. They will
Speaker 1: have a clear understanding of what they want. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna want to coach orphans, you know that nobody wants.
Speaker 1: They're not going to do that. They're gonna coach rule
Speaker 1: football players. And I think that that that the attitudes
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys and defensive tackle and as safety will change.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a very positive outlook though Brian compared
Speaker 1: to I think a lot of Cowboys Nation, I think
Speaker 1: it's still a lot of people are looking at this
Speaker 1: front office and saying that the Jones family's the one
Speaker 1: that that really makes the decision. They're the one that
Speaker 1: makes a phone call. But there is a lot more
Speaker 1: that goes into it than just them making a decision, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the former defensive coordinator did wanted nothing to do with
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, he was a defensive coordinator. Wanted nothing to
Speaker 1: do with Jalen Ramsey. He would rather have Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: and he said so. He said so. He didn't think
Speaker 1: though that you know, there there there's discussions they had
Speaker 1: about a T. J. Watt. You know, there are different things,
Speaker 1: different discussions that they've had about players that have gone
Speaker 1: the wrong way for them. I'm not blaming every single
Speaker 1: thing on them, but there's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: you can point to that direction that their attitudes about
Speaker 1: it came from their defensive coaches. Yeah, I know we
Speaker 1: liked to bang on them for bypassing Jalen Ramsey, but
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Ellie they want a lot of games with Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott told them to load the first couple of years.
Speaker 1: I mean, like that was the formula. Now, I would
Speaker 1: say it fell apart when the offensive line began to
Speaker 1: kind of fall apart and you start losing some of
Speaker 1: those guys to attrition. That was more. I would say
Speaker 1: the issue not necessarily Jalen not being there or whatever,
Speaker 1: but did they didn't fight for the guy, Bucky. Your
Speaker 1: defensive coaches, and I understand you have to get there's
Speaker 1: give and take in the room. I appreciate that. I
Speaker 1: never got the impression that they really fought hard to
Speaker 1: get Jalen Ramsey here. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: may want to play confident mary ball. Sometimes you want
Speaker 1: to play nice in the sandbox, Brian. You don't have
Speaker 1: to always like throw Santa in one another in those
Speaker 1: debates like sometimes you know what, you gotta fight for
Speaker 1: your positions. You gotta fight for your side. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It's true. Yeah, you want to you
Speaker 1: want to have somebody to answer, to answer the latter
Speaker 1: part of that question. Particularly, y'all know how I love
Speaker 1: my safeties. Do y'all have any like more Day three
Speaker 1: type of guys that stand out to you? I mean
Speaker 1: Day three like this, I'll say what you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's I don't know. To me, I would,
Speaker 1: I would since you got since you got a couple
Speaker 1: of like those compensatories at three and then at four.
Speaker 1: I you know, I know I mentioned Gillespie from Missouri
Speaker 1: is a guy Bucky's talked about the Florida state kid Nazardine.
Speaker 1: You know, where where does Holland fit into Oregon safety?
Speaker 1: I mean, see, that's what I'm saying. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get a gauge. I know I've got Morig Grant, Holland.
Speaker 1: I know I've got those guys in an upper level,
Speaker 1: But in that third round, I'm kind of looking at Gillespie. Sherwood,
Speaker 1: him Auburn is a guy that I'm looking at right there.
Speaker 1: So you know there's I think there's names there. I
Speaker 1: think they need more of a true free Let's see
Speaker 1: what happens with Kaze. That might be something that they say, Okay,
Speaker 1: well here's gonna be our free, but that maybe won't
Speaker 1: keep them from draft. And one of those guys that,
Speaker 1: like I was talking about again, Gillespie from Missouri, Nazardeene
Speaker 1: from from Florida State. I don't know where Washington fits
Speaker 1: in here. The TCU kid well, people ding him well,
Speaker 1: people ding him because of his height. Is he more
Speaker 1: of a is he more of a third fourth round guy?
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh will tell you he's one of his top guys.
Speaker 1: And you know, you see these guys all differently, but
Speaker 1: I do believe there's some names there you should not
Speaker 1: pass on. These kids were talking about right now. Question Brian,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the Texas kids? Stern? Like,
Speaker 1: what is your opinion on Kayden Stern? Yeah? You know what,
Speaker 1: I haven't watched him Bucky yet. I mean, I'm working
Speaker 1: down through that list and I'm trying to like pick
Speaker 1: guys off. I'm into these four. You know, I got
Speaker 1: a list I got I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1: I'm using Dane Brugler's list. Dane and I've talked to
Speaker 1: him about his list of guys and where Dane kind
Speaker 1: of had some of his guys ranked. I've just kind
Speaker 1: of followed along on his list and he doesn't have.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, one hundred and fifty some
Speaker 1: odd players in and he's not even on that list yet.
Speaker 1: And so I know he ran the other day in
Speaker 1: the four fours. Ye, there's some people that really like him.
Speaker 1: I haven't personally seen in myself. He's a guy got
Speaker 1: the next couple of days. Now. It's funny because, like
Speaker 1: I think, safety position, like the beauty is all in
Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder. When I look at him one,
Speaker 1: he was a heavily recruited kid, so you pay attention
Speaker 1: to him because his freshman year was probably his best
Speaker 1: year at UT. You see him move around, he played
Speaker 1: center field position, he comes down. I would say the
Speaker 1: biggest thing that you worry about him is will it
Speaker 1: be a consistent tackler in terms of a thumper. Will
Speaker 1: he thump? Will he do some of those things? But movements,
Speaker 1: skills and athleticism, he has all the trades that you
Speaker 1: look for typically for your cinefield player. I just wonder
Speaker 1: how he's valued, Like he's hide and cold whenever I
Speaker 1: ask people about him. Some people love him, some people
Speaker 1: hate him. And then sometimes there's a bit of the
Speaker 1: quote unquote Texas stigma that exists in terms of differently
Speaker 1: is being perceived to be soft or coddled or however
Speaker 1: you want to. Yeah, I'm with you, Bucky. I talked
Speaker 1: to a scout the other day about him because I
Speaker 1: saw what he ran, and then the scout told me,
Speaker 1: you're gonna like him. I mean, and I'm not riding
Speaker 1: the fits on the city. There's some things about him
Speaker 1: you're really gonna like, and there's other things that you're
Speaker 1: gonna not even want to deal with him at all.
Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see where he fits. Then is
Speaker 1: he in that Gillespie, Washington, Nazardie, Holland Moorg Where does
Speaker 1: he fit among all those guys. There's a bunch of
Speaker 1: names down, I think later in that list, and you
Speaker 1: mentioned Gillespie from Missouri. But I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: don't think you're looking that divine Diablo as a top
Speaker 1: three round guy. He might be a fourth round guy.
Speaker 1: That's who I was about to bring up Kyle Hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that's that's a good name. Virginia Tech.
Speaker 1: And he's a quality strong myself. Yeah, No, he is.
Speaker 1: He is. And I know Bucky, but I know Bucky
Speaker 1: likes I think Bucky. I saw him a crawl from
Speaker 1: the NFL network the other day. I was looking up
Speaker 1: at the board. Cisco. You have Cisco up in that area, right,
Speaker 1: the Sandy Cisco from Syracuse. I actually like I just
Speaker 1: wrote his name. Now. He is someone that I that
Speaker 1: I think. You know, it's so subjective when it comes
Speaker 1: to the safety position because depending on what you're looking for,
Speaker 1: how you going to play him, and your preferred style
Speaker 1: at the position. There's some coaches that like to have
Speaker 1: cast off corner who has some skills that can play
Speaker 1: in the slot maybe while also being a free safety type.
Speaker 1: Others want the big thumper to be able to come
Speaker 1: down in the box and play like a pseudo linebacker.
Speaker 1: A lot of it depends on how you want to play. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when I think about Dallas and this him in
Speaker 1: your head, you have this visual cam chances the box
Speaker 1: safety Earl Thomas is the free safety you go in.
Speaker 1: Look at what he did in Atlanta. Kean O'Neill is
Speaker 1: the box safety. Demante Kazi and all these other guys,
Speaker 1: Brian all they played free safety over top. So it's
Speaker 1: a very distinct look to how he wants to play.
Speaker 1: And I think I would feel better if I knew
Speaker 1: how does he view Donovan Wills? Yeah, because if I
Speaker 1: had a better idea on does he view Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: as a guy that is, hey, let's position him in
Speaker 1: the box because he will thump, or does he see
Speaker 1: him as Oh, now we can get away with him
Speaker 1: as a range numbers the numbers player and we need
Speaker 1: to find it on the thumper on the inside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to throw in that. I thought, uh oh,
Speaker 1: sorry Coyle, go for it, Dave, But I did just
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Brian, I agree with you. Divine Diablo
Speaker 1: is a I mean, he's huge. He definitely he strikes
Speaker 1: you as like a box guy. But he went to
Speaker 1: mobile and obviously like nobody's in a worse situation at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl than DBS, and I thought he I
Speaker 1: thought he held his own pretty well in the absolutely
Speaker 1: did Yeah, sure did. So That's definitely that's a name
Speaker 1: that I if you're six three two twenty five, Like
Speaker 1: I just I can't help it, because yeah, because Camp
Speaker 1: Chancellors like one of my favorite players of the last decade.
Speaker 1: I love that big like six two six three safety
Speaker 1: who just murders people. So I'm all, well, and again
Speaker 1: he's an ACC guy. He's an ACC guy. So it
Speaker 1: might be a thing where the Camp Chance of Virginia.
Speaker 1: It might be Virginia Tech. Here's our path, here we go.
Speaker 1: All right, I've got a couple. I've got a couple
Speaker 1: other ACC guys I want to talk about, though, Bryant,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna throw him your direction. And I hope
Speaker 1: you've maybe watched these guys. So Trill Williams from Syracuse,
Speaker 1: have you watched him yet? No? I have not. Okay,
Speaker 1: what about Paris Ford from Pittsburgh, we watched him? I
Speaker 1: had no, I have not. Okay, I'm drafting Trill. I'm
Speaker 1: drafting Trill just on his name alone. And Bucky. Have
Speaker 1: you seen either one of those guys as well? I've
Speaker 1: heard stuff on prayers for it, but I haven't seen
Speaker 1: them enough, Like, like, how down in the ben are you, Kyle,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I'm not Ill. I've got Paris for it?
Speaker 1: Is my twelfth guy as my twelfth safety, so I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit further down on him. I liked Trill
Speaker 1: Williams a lot, and for a lot of the same
Speaker 1: reasons that Dave likes. Excuse me to find Diablo because
Speaker 1: he's six two, two hundred pounds and I think he's range,
Speaker 1: he's the He was the opposite corner that excuse me,
Speaker 1: the opposite safety as Andre Cisco at Syracuse, so they
Speaker 1: were teammates. They played in the back end together, and
Speaker 1: andre Cisco didn't impress me a whole lot. I have
Speaker 1: him just as my tenth safety, So why I have
Speaker 1: him a little bit further down because he gives up
Speaker 1: big plays, like like a runny nose. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: unbelievable how many big plays he gave up. And I
Speaker 1: think Trill Williams cleaned up a lot of what andre
Speaker 1: Cisco did, So I kind of put Trill Williams a
Speaker 1: little bit higher up. He's actually in my top ten
Speaker 1: and I might be alone in that regard, but I
Speaker 1: I like guy. I'll take a guy I didn't like.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you guy I didn't like. And this is
Speaker 1: from my school, Jacobe Stevens. I was not pressed at
Speaker 1: all with Jakobee. Wow, I was not pressed at all
Speaker 1: with him. Don't play him at safety, Please, don't play
Speaker 1: him at safe. Where would you play him that's get
Speaker 1: down by the line, like try to move him to
Speaker 1: linebacker or having to be like a utility guy like
Speaker 1: maybe a dime package sort of situate like I. I mean,
Speaker 1: he hits well, and honestly, he's got a he's got
Speaker 1: a note for the ball, like he he's around the
Speaker 1: ball when it gets turned over. But I don't trust
Speaker 1: him in coverage, even in the slightest little bit. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Hey, Tiger, Tiger cry, I have a bad year.
Speaker 1: After we win the time were ready to get rid
Speaker 1: of all the play Brian Brian will attest like me
Speaker 1: and Brian are honest about LSU players, like we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't pump it up if it doesn't deserve it.
Speaker 1: We told you should trap that Patrick Queen. We told
Speaker 1: you that Patrick Queen can playing. Nobody listened to this. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: just about everybody that got drafted off the last year's
Speaker 1: team turned out to be a badass. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's a coincidence. To be fair, they were like seventeen
Speaker 1: first round picks out of last year's LSUE roster. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a lot of I mean they're gonna
Speaker 1: get They did win the national title. I don't know
Speaker 1: the Chase on Dave Chase on did win all that? Great? Yeah? Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. Hey, jury is still out. Jury is still out.
Speaker 1: It's a long career. It's a long career. Any other names,
Speaker 1: kill them chasing any other names we want to throw
Speaker 1: out there in terms of the safety position before we
Speaker 1: wrap things up, gentlemen, draft Richie Grant. That's not a
Speaker 1: late round, have you No, he's not late round. I'm
Speaker 1: just we don't have to worry about late round if
Speaker 1: we use pick forty four on a starter like we
Speaker 1: can just we can just cut this convert, like this
Speaker 1: conversation can be made irrelevant if they just invest in
Speaker 1: the position or honestly, going back to the first segment,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't want to I hate to
Speaker 1: try to like get people's hopes up, but that is
Speaker 1: a position where I could see them investing in a
Speaker 1: better free agent, not not Earl Thomas, not like prime
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas. But yeah, if if they get Kazee if
Speaker 1: they get Alan or Kean O'Neill um. There's a couple
Speaker 1: other guys on the market whose names are not coming
Speaker 1: to my mind, but like they could invest there and
Speaker 1: set themselves up to where it's not as big of anitas.
Speaker 1: It looks like right now that wouldn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 1: I could see that, Brian, you were going to throw
Speaker 1: a name out there. Yeah, I don't know, Bookie. Have
Speaker 1: you seen the kid is Hafanca from USC to Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen him. He's a he's a playmaker, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how discipline and detailed he is when
Speaker 1: it comes to covers. Like he comes and runs around
Speaker 1: and makes a lot of plays on the ball and
Speaker 1: hits and splash plays. But I don't know how you
Speaker 1: bet utilize him as a pro. Yeah. See, I think
Speaker 1: this is a guy when you start, you're going to
Speaker 1: hear his name and he's going to be one of
Speaker 1: those guys that's end up being a core special teams
Speaker 1: player for somebody. I mean, he's extremely tough, He's always
Speaker 1: around the football. You see him play near the line.
Speaker 1: His reactions I think are pretty good for a safety
Speaker 1: because there's times you'll see him jump routes and play
Speaker 1: underneath and stuff. But I think he's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: If people are talking about him, it's going to be
Speaker 1: initially as a special teams guy and then try and
Speaker 1: work his way into the safety. That's one of those
Speaker 1: Day three guys. As I was going back through my
Speaker 1: notes that you might keep an eye on he might
Speaker 1: get drafted in day two. I'm more of a Day
Speaker 1: three guy with him, but keep an eye on him. Again.
Speaker 1: He had soldier surgery January of twenty twenty, so it
Speaker 1: Matt might affect him his way on a medical. But
Speaker 1: he's a name that people have been mentioning. I like it.
Speaker 1: Lots of Day three potentials and late round options of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys when it comes to safety, I don't think
Speaker 1: double dipping at safeties out of the question. As well.
Speaker 1: They could go draft to Richie Grant or maybe even
Speaker 1: Elijah Molden who could be transformed into a safety from
Speaker 1: corner out of Washington at forty four, and then go
Speaker 1: later on and draft the safety again because like Dave
Speaker 1: said earlier about wide receiver, if there's a safety Latman
Speaker 1: draft that you like, Hey, why not take a pickle.
Speaker 1: Let's try and find some depth at that position, because
Speaker 1: that's something the Cowboys have not had ain't quite some time.
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