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Speaker 1: Welcome the Big Blue Kickoff live right here on Giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com. I am John Schmelt, joined by Jeff Eagles

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Speaker 1: and John. Number for you is to A one nine

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Speaker 1: And Jeff the Giants with a I mean, I'll use

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Speaker 1: the word bone crushing, soul stealing bad. Twenty two lost

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Speaker 1: to the Philadelphia Eagles. Uh, it's as bad as it gets.

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Speaker 1: It's now eighteen of twenty two games at Philly. The

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Speaker 1: Giants have lost. UM and they had a big lead

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Speaker 1: nineteen to three in the second quarter, nineteen to eleven

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Speaker 1: and a half, and then the second half is all

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles as they come away with a win on

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Speaker 1: a another Elliott game winning kick for the second straight

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Speaker 1: year in Philadelphia. UM. A few things I want to

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Speaker 1: touch on, Jeff, so let's start big picture. First, tell

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Speaker 1: of two halves in this game. The first half, the

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Speaker 1: Giants played just about as well offensively as you could

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Speaker 1: ever imagine. They had three hundred and forty six yards

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Speaker 1: a hundred ten on the ground, two thirty six through

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Speaker 1: the air. They scored on their first four possessions, did

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Speaker 1: not pump the ball the entire first half, and then

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Speaker 1: the Giants final possession of the first half, on their

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Speaker 1: final play of that possession, Eli Manning throws an ill

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Speaker 1: advised interception. Pat Shermer took the blame for the play

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Speaker 1: call in the postgame press conference. Eli took the blame

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Speaker 1: when he talked to me post game for the decision

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Speaker 1: to try to force it in there. Bad decision, bad play.

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Speaker 1: And from then on out, the Giants had fifty six

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Speaker 1: yards of offense, they scored three points in the second half,

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Speaker 1: and the Eagles go on to win. And you know

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Speaker 1: you flipped at that when you saw that first I

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Speaker 1: did a little mater and I actually was saying to

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Speaker 1: myself three four two, No, this doesn't make sense. Fifty

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Speaker 1: six yards That's what it was. Yeah, fifty six yards

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Speaker 1: in the second half. Basically a tail of two halves,

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Speaker 1: is exactly correct. That's first half was the two and

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Speaker 1: oh Giants in the second half of the season, and

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Speaker 1: the second half was the one in seven Giants that

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Speaker 1: we saw for the first eight weeks of this season. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, just when you look at negative plays, third

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Speaker 1: down conversions four or six in the first half and

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Speaker 1: one of six in the second half, there you go.

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Speaker 1: I just you know, just there you go that that

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Speaker 1: was the difference in the game. Defensively, Giants give up

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Speaker 1: a six team point lead. Um, they don't get any

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Speaker 1: turnovers like they've gotten in the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: And now the Giants still have not won a game

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Speaker 1: where they have not been plus two or better in

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Speaker 1: the turnover ratio. So it all adds up when you talk.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, the laws sends them to oh

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Speaker 1: and four in the division, Um, I mean, they just

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Speaker 1: it's just a it's a bad loss on many many levels.

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Speaker 1: Not not to mention, you know, trying to to end

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Speaker 1: the eight in a row streak that you're trying to

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Speaker 1: get to to get into playoffs. But it's just this

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Speaker 1: is very, very, very tough. And when you this, you

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Speaker 1: looked at this team playing in the second in the

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Speaker 1: first half, I was like, wow, okay, and frankly, Jef

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. I didn't think this team was

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Speaker 1: capable of dominating that way, and they did. They were.

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Speaker 1: They were dominating the Philadelphia Eagles on in their home stadium,

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Speaker 1: which they do. They never do well there, and then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the second half comes. Well, and

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the second half, because I'm sure that's

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Speaker 1: what you guys want to talk about. So, of course

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Speaker 1: the Giants first of all, Jeff and I thought this

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Speaker 1: was very telling that a lot of people don't talk about.

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Speaker 1: If you take away the three desperation plays at the

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Speaker 1: end of the game where they got the ball on

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Speaker 1: their own thirty and eight to try to get the

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Speaker 1: field goal. So I'm gonna throw those out because that

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Speaker 1: was a desperation situation before that. How many offensive players

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Speaker 1: do you think the Giants ran in the second half?

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Speaker 1: Take a guess, Well, I got them all right here.

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Speaker 1: Three hard to win when you have nineteen plays. Well,

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Speaker 1: then you dig a little bit deeper. Well, why do

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Speaker 1: they only have nineteen plays? John, Well, we talked to

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Speaker 1: Jeff mentioned it earlier. One of six and third downs

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Speaker 1: in the second half. Well, John, why were they one

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Speaker 1: in six on third downs? Well, they were in a

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Speaker 1: lot of bad down and distances, and believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: in the first half they were in the same situations,

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Speaker 1: were just able to convert the Giants actually were three

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Speaker 1: which is actually very very good in the NFL. Usually

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Speaker 1: let's let's go through these first three drives in the

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Speaker 1: second half, because this is where the issue came in.

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Speaker 1: They so do I they I went through them this morning.

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Speaker 1: I watched the on tape. So they had three straight

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Speaker 1: And if you want to figure out why the Giants

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Speaker 1: lost the game, as those three drives. So let's break

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Speaker 1: down these drives. Okay, first drive, Jet, they get the ball,

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Speaker 1: run the ball at st. Kon Barkway. Cool. No one's

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Speaker 1: problem with that, right, three yards, so you're second and

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Speaker 1: seven at the thirteen yard line. Next play, they come

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Speaker 1: out in twenty one personnel, so it's in running personnel.

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Speaker 1: They want to play action pass. I don't think anyone

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Speaker 1: has a problem with that play selection formation, right, that's okay,

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Speaker 1: there's the problem. All three guys were covered. They sent

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Speaker 1: three players out in patterns. They left seven in the

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Speaker 1: double team deep and Beckham was double team going towards

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Speaker 1: four five guys rushing the pass around seven blockers. No

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Speaker 1: one's open. Eli could have thrown it away, but he's

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Speaker 1: in the pocket near the end zone. That's a danger

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Speaker 1: of getting a safety. Takes the sack. Third and eight team,

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Speaker 1: you run the ball possession over. Okay. So I don't

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Speaker 1: have a problem with the play calling on that first drive,

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Speaker 1: do you? Uh No, but you failed to mention where

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Speaker 1: they were on the field. Yeah, they started at their

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Speaker 1: then there that's where it started. Michael Thomas had a

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Speaker 1: had a holding penalty start him on the ten yard

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Speaker 1: So I don't have about with the play calling there,

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Speaker 1: but obviously the execution the sac passed it and work

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Speaker 1: in the sack, but again, no one was open, actually

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Speaker 1: had time to scan the field. It was that that

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Speaker 1: was legitimately good defense by the ego. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna lose my mind real quickly. Barkley had a three

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Speaker 1: going to hear se Kwon Barkley's name again in the

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Speaker 1: next two possessions. Next two possessions. He was in the

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Speaker 1: we'll get to that second possession. Giants come out, they

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Speaker 1: give Barkley a little bit of a blow. Now. I

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Speaker 1: know people will say, well, why does he need rest,

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Speaker 1: he's just coming out in the second half. Well, they

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Speaker 1: bring one wing Golman in runs for five, runs for seven.

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Speaker 1: So they're sticking with the run here, folks. Okay, you're

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Speaker 1: sticking with the run exactly. So you got first down,

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Speaker 1: the Giant side of the field, Nate Solder full start

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Speaker 1: first and fifteen. Well, you know what, the Giants put

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Speaker 1: themselves in position to get out of that problem with

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Speaker 1: the penalty. Ei Manning throws a strike to Corey Coleman

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Speaker 1: They try to run with Ghiman, he loses three yards.

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Speaker 1: Even if he doesn't lose three yards, Demon Brown commits

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Speaker 1: an offensive holding penalty. He by far had his worst

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Speaker 1: in third and eighteen, shortyard pass, bunk the ball back

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Speaker 1: to back possessions third and eighteen problem, And what do

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Speaker 1: Four negative plays when you want to count him out

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Speaker 1: think it's hard to have issues with the play calling

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Speaker 1: on that parts. That's what this whole exercise is about,

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Speaker 1: and that's what we're talking about it because they started

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Speaker 1: the drive with two straight runs, right, and then you're

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Speaker 1: in first and fifteen and you run a slant and

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Speaker 1: you have the first down, and then all of a

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Speaker 1: So again, no issue with the play calling so far,

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Speaker 1: recording exactly and by the way, four minute and thirty

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Speaker 1: eight seconds of time and possession in that second now,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna have yeah, And by the way, in

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Speaker 1: the second half, they finished with only ten minutes and

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Speaker 1: seventeen seconds of possession versus the Eagles who had over nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Very good point, Jeff. And that goes into the whole

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Speaker 1: only nineteen playce thing that I talked about earlier. Now,

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Speaker 1: guess it would be with this third possession. Okay, uh,

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Speaker 1: Eagles punts, I believe yes. So at this point it's

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Speaker 1: nineteen to fourteen, so it's still a one score game.

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Speaker 1: You're up. Momentum hasn't you know, completely swung yet at

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Speaker 1: least you wouldn't think so. The Giants get the ball back,

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Speaker 1: like I said, at their own twenty two yard line,

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Speaker 1: Manning tries a deep shot to Beckham on first down.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you should try to run the ball there. I

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Speaker 1: get that. Um, it wasn't open. The Eagles weren't to

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Speaker 1: cover three the cornerback had deep Coverageohn Beckham. It just

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Speaker 1: it just wasn't there. But you know how many times

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Speaker 1: if your people calling and say, we'll just throw it

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Speaker 1: deep to Beckham one on one, and you know good

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Speaker 1: things are gonna happen incomplete. Well, there was one guy there,

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Speaker 1: but they had learning cover three that's designed to take

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Speaker 1: The second play of this drive is kind of where

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Speaker 1: it gets tricky. You look at the box score, it's

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Speaker 1: an incomplete pass to Stirling Shepherd on an okay one.

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Speaker 1: This is a play where they could have called defensive

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Speaker 1: holding and it wasn't. If you remember the play from TV,

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Speaker 1: arms up afterwards and he's looking around. But the trick

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Speaker 1: with this play and Pat Sremer said this in his

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Speaker 1: postgame presser yesterday. This was one pass option, so Eli

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Speaker 1: pulls it back, tries to squeeze a slant into Shepherd.

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Speaker 1: And Eli said it again in the locker room today

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Speaker 1: that he thought there was a hole there and it

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Speaker 1: could have been a penalty. That's an incomplete pass that

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Speaker 1: puts you in third and ten, and then the right

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Speaker 1: Brown both get beat and man and gets sacked doesn't

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Speaker 1: so what happened in the second half is really unfortunate

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Speaker 1: because this team was playing so well and they had

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Speaker 1: a chance. I really thought they had a chance to

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Speaker 1: win this game. I thought it would be a close game,

432
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Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be surprised if they did win. And

433
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 1: they started out like they were going to win, and

434
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Speaker 1: having to win three in a row would have been amazing,

435
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Speaker 1: getting their first win in the division. Talk about going

436
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Speaker 1: into the set member into a Barras game with a

437
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Speaker 1: lot of just a lot of energy and with their

438
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 1: starting quarterback potentially not never me right. So it's just that,

439
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is just it deflates everything. And now

440
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about them having I mean, mathematically, there's

441
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Speaker 1: always a chance until they tell you there's not. But

442
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean, realistically there isn't. Um But I think that

443
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,159
Speaker 1: now you're gonna have to start thinking about what's going

444
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Speaker 1: on with the team and going forward and about you know,

445
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: evaluation and the quarterback position. All that stuff we're gonna

446
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 1: have to address now, which is fine because that's what

447
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 1: we do a big Blue and that's fine. But um, yeah,

448
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 1: just unfortunate in my in my opinion, what happened yesterday,

449
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 1: it really was was it could have been really good

450
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: coming out of out of Philadelphia with a win and

451
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Speaker 1: one in the division. Jeff, I just don't understand how

452
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Speaker 1: you can go I mean, I watched the tape this morning.

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Speaker 1: I watched it a few times and and I can't

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Speaker 1: wrap my round my mind around it. How you can

455
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Speaker 1: be so good in the first half of the game.

456
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Speaker 1: And this Giant team was wonderful. They played great football.

457
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 1: Let's let's think about then to show up and put

458
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Speaker 1: up fifty second half, You'll, I don't understand. So let's

459
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 1: try to figure this the mindset of this. Okay, So

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00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 1: at the end of they're they're doing well in the

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00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: first half. The end of this first half, they throw

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Speaker 1: an interception. Negative right, negative energy, negative energy. They go

463
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 1: into this locker room, they come back out, the defense

464
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: makes a stop. The defense makes the stop, they get

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00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 1: a punt, and then they get a penalty that puts

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Speaker 1: them on the ten yard line, and then they have

467
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: a sack. So things just started to derail at that point,

468
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 1: going in from the last play that the Giants had

469
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Speaker 1: the ball on the set in the first second quarter

470
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 1: to the first drive of the second court in the

471
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: second half, just negative stuff and they could never pick

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Speaker 1: it back up. And you can't do that. You gotta persevere.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get through that stuff as a player, I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you. And and really do you guys were winning

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Speaker 1: the game. The Giants were winning the football game at

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Speaker 1: that point, so alright, let's do it. Nineteen It was

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Speaker 1: nineteen to fourteen at the start of the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: eleven and a half time. I mean, so, I mean,

479
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean, this evil team is not that I mean, look,

480
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: they're not bad, but they're not playing well. And that's

481
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: why you were excited about going down there and playing

482
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: the football game because you had a good chance. You

483
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,719
Speaker 1: had a better chance of beating the Eagles yesterday than

484
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: you did at the beginning of the season, that's for sure,

485
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: because they routed you guys the second the first time.

486
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: And look, I I understand the complaints. Only Balkley two

487
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: touches in those first three drives at the second half.

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Speaker 1: I get that. And if you want to complain about that,

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Speaker 1: I totally get I'm not gonna argue with you. Um

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00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: the Shepherd Beckham stuff after the game postgame presser, though,

491
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Speaker 1: that I'm gonna fight against because they move. They pushed

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00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: the ball down the field in this game. I think

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00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: they had seven passes of twenty yards or more. They

494
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Speaker 1: tried to go down the field. Let not make believe

495
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: they didn't. They threw the ball plenty in this game.

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Speaker 1: That is frustration. That is when you hear guys talk

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Speaker 1: like that. I don't care who they are. That is

498
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Speaker 1: just under frustration. I'm guessing it's frustration. It's got it is,

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Speaker 1: it's it's there. And here's the thing that the players.

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Speaker 1: What happens to the players is when you when you

501
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Speaker 1: were in the locker room and you have a loss

502
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: like this, you don't want to talk to anybody. Unfortunately,

503
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: it's your obligation to do so, and so you want

504
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: to try to get out of it. But you can't

505
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: when you're Odell Beckham and Sterling Shepherd. And so when

506
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: people are asking you questions, they're doing their job and

507
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 1: unfortunately they have to ask these questions and you are

508
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: obligated to really answer the questions and the best that

509
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Speaker 1: you can. But to say I don't know about that,

510
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, I don't know about that,

511
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: and just say, look we we we did our best.

512
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,719
Speaker 1: We didn't make enough plays and moving on. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's exactly And I said that to me is a

514
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Speaker 1: cop out. And my my guess is that both guys

515
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: when they talk this week, are going to back off

516
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: it a little bit. But we'll see, well, I hope.

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Speaker 1: So two one ready for calls four or five on

518
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Speaker 1: three Tony and d C. He'll lead us off. Tone, tone, tone,

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Speaker 1: what's up buddy? Hey guys, thanks for calling, and Tony,

520
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: what's up so quick? Fun fact, yes, in fact, we

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Speaker 1: all remember, as we all remember the miracle in the

522
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Speaker 1: Meadowlands when the show on returned up ball on us

523
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Speaker 1: and I just started the playoffs. Do you guys remember

524
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: which team went in in our place? Oh? You mean

525
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: into the postseason? Yep? I don't off the top of

526
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: my head. Who was it? The Cowboys, the Green Bay Packers.

527
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers won his first and last Super Bowl because

528
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Speaker 1: the Eagles beat the job. Really, I did not remember that,

529
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: Tony good memory. If that didn't happen, Aaron Rodgers would

530
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: be the Dan Marino of this generation. So so so

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Speaker 1: that is why these games hurt the most. It's interesting, yep.

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Speaker 1: But back but back to the team. Back to the team.

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Speaker 1: So I am not out on Pat Shermer. The guys

534
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: where let the games in and I am not impressed.

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Speaker 1: He Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why.

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00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: It's all coming back to the running game. The New

537
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: York Football Giants are averaging four points fix y'all to carry,

538
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Speaker 1: which is the same amount of the Seattle Seahawks that

539
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Speaker 1: our number one in Russian in the NFL, the same amount.

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00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: Now the Seattle Seahawks they don't have to start offensive

541
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Speaker 1: line and they have Rashad Penny was good, but he

542
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: was no sake Kwon Barkley. Well, I mean, I mean,

543
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: and honestly, Tony Penny is not even getting the ball.

544
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's Chris Carson that's carrying the load

545
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: over there. Absolutely, you could almost argue with the carousel.

546
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Speaker 1: But we but they are ranked number one in the

547
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: NFL and Russia's we are ranked twenty nine. Why because

548
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: we are dead last in rushing attempt they are at

549
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: three fifty one. And I called in weeks ago about this.

550
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: We threw the ball twice as much as we ran

551
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: it again in another loss. I am seeing a coach

552
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: that has to come up with the game plan called

553
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: the offensive plays in the game and manage the game,

554
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Speaker 1: and I'm not seeing it being done. We are still

555
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: not running the ball. We are dead last. We are

556
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: top for first. We have zero bumbles on the run

557
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: game top for first with Denver Tony. I agree, we

558
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: are dead now. That's okay, You're fine, You're passionate. I

559
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: love it. Uh. In this game, the Giants through it

560
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: drop back thirty nine times. They ran at eighteen UM,

561
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: so it was more than two to one pass the run.

562
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: I agree, given how well the Giants ran the ball,

563
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: they probably should have had more runs in this game.

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00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: I think Jeff would agree with that too. UM. A

565
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: couple of interesting numbers that I came up with. If

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Speaker 1: you take out the final two minute drill the first

567
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: half where the Giants were just passing to go down

568
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: the field, and you take out the final three passing

569
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: plays of the game where the Giants were in that

570
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: desperation situation, the Giants run pass ratio first and second

571
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: half were actually identical, which are interesting. That's that, that's

572
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: so so so. That's one note number two. I there

573
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: is something to the way you gain the yards and

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Speaker 1: over the course of the year, Tony, and I think

575
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: you'll agree with this um and maybe hasn't necessarily been

576
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: the case, especially last week against Tampa when they were

577
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: consistently getting yards play after play. The Giants rushing attack

578
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: this year has been very dependent on the big play

579
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Speaker 1: to get a lot of their yards early on in

580
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: the season, especially in the first half, and to a

581
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: lesser extent yesterday Busy. They did have one run of

582
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 1: twenty six yards, run round of fifty one yards. They

583
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: have way too many situations where they're getting one, they're

584
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: getting zero, they're getting negative one, they're getting two, and

585
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: then you're getting in a lot of second and eights.

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00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: The Seahawks have been much better at consistently grinding out

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00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: three yards, five yards, six yards, So I get what

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00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: you're saying, and you make a good point. I'm not

589
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: arguing with it, but I do think those rushing averages

590
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: that are, you know, gross numbers aren't a true indication

591
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: of how consistent the Giants running game has been carried

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00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: to carry getting consistent yards. I bet you if you

593
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: look at it, and I don't know how to do this,

594
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: a a much larger chunk of the Giants rushing yards

595
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: have come on twenty plus yard runs than the Seahawks runs.

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00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Mm hmm. But here's the thing, though,

597
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: you can speak to this better than anyone. Obviously being

598
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: a pro. Kevin Gilbride didn't feel that way. There is

599
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: a thing in football that even when the running game

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00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: isn't working, it's still working. That's bringing it, You're bringing

601
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: in the defense, you're setting up the play action. Tony, Tony, Tony.

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00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: I was in many Kevin Gilbride press conference that don't

603
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: let Jeff answer, and Jeff can speak to this where Gilbride,

604
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: exasperated said to the media, guys were running for one

605
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: or two yards every time. What do you want to do?

606
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: Just We'll keep running into a brick. Well, I'm gonna

607
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: throw it and I've heard Gilbride say that a bunch

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00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: of times during press conference. Go ahead, Jeff, Well, no,

609
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're asking me, to be honest

610
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: with you, you saying go ahead. And what what Matthew

611
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: is about really about the running game is that even

612
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: when you're not getting the yards, you're still keeping the

613
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: opposing defense honest. They can't just kicking their ears back

614
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: and rush your quarterback, or they can't just played cover

615
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: too for fifty minutes. Yeah, but I don't think that's

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00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: what happened. Depends on It just depends on the circumstances

617
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: of the game, it really does. I mean, what were

618
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: are you in the game? Look at the first half

619
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: of this football game, and John mentioned it, if you

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00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: take away some of the passing plays that we know

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Speaker 1: that we're gonna be passing plays to run, pass ratios

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00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: was pretty good. The statistics that you were talking about

623
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: with the Seahawks, you go back and look at the

624
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: Giants first four games of the season. They were very well,

625
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: very unbalanced. They were throwing the ball times almost and

626
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: they run they did not run the football. Then they

627
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: finally got away from that and said, okay, you know,

628
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: let's get this guy some carries, and the offensive line

629
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: started to play better. But you know, I think that

630
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of offensive coordinators will tell

631
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: you that if we can't get a one or two,

632
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: if we keep getting one and two yard runs, I'm

633
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: not gonna stick with the run because I'm not gonna

634
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: be in second and nine. And since in third and

635
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: nine all the time, Antonio, you have to run the

636
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: ball successfully, And I think that's why for the game yesterday,

637
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: you have a good case because they were running the

638
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: ball successfully, so why not keep running it? I agree

639
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: with that. I don't think it's fair to take that

640
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: success yesterday though, But then say, well, in games three

641
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: and four this year, games one and two this year,

642
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you would have just random more than

643
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: you would have more success to because the offensive line

644
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: was playing so poorly, then I don't think that was

645
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: the case. But yesterday you have a point. I'm not

646
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: gonna argue with that. But the first two possessions in

647
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: the second half, they did try to run the football.

648
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: They really did they get Unfortunately, they gave up a

649
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: sack on the first series and then they had a

650
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: penalty and then another two to negative place. So I mean, but, but, but,

651
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: but here's the thing though with that, because because I

652
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: hear this a lot. Oh we saw behind the sticks. Oh,

653
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: we're behind, so we have to throw it. Barkley is

654
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: the number to pick in the draft. You don't take

655
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: your your best player on your team out of the

656
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: game because of a penalty or your four. But I mean,

657
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: we took him out of the game. But Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony,

658
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: real real quick, real quick. The first the first drive

659
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: of the third quarter, Okay, the Giants ran on their

660
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: first play and they had a second and seven. Okay,

661
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: they ran a play action pass on second down, sent

662
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: three guys out into a round. Do you have a

663
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: problem with with running play action with se Kwon Barkley

664
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: in the game on a second and seven, I don't

665
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: have a problem with that. Eli gets sack. You're and

666
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: and you're in third and eighteen possession over okay, second possession.

667
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: They come out, they run the ball for five hours. Wait, oh,

668
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: we call it tom out and that's in the back

669
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: of the game, and that comes back to Claude And

670
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: that's fine, Tony, no argument, no, Tony, Tony. And it

671
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: was actually the next third and eighteen when they called

672
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: the time out. But I know, but that's fine. I

673
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: I if I'm the one doing it there, I would

674
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: have just taken the penalty. I agree with you. I'm

675
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: not or I'm not gonna argue on that one either.

676
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: Second possession of the third quarter, Okay, they run for five,

677
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: they run for seven. Okay, you're first and ten. Nate

678
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: Solder commits a full star penalty. Okay, you're in first

679
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: and fifteen. Eli Manning throws a strike that hits Corey

680
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: Coleman right in the chest. That should have been a

681
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: first down. Okay, he drops the ball second fifteen. Do

682
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: you run the ball on second and fifteen? You lose

683
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: three yards and then you're in third and eighteen, So

684
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: you ran the ball plenty on that second possession of

685
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: the second half as well. Now, again, the third possession

686
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: is where you have a beef. They passed it three times.

687
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: Eli threw it on a run pass option on the

688
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: sun second and ten. He could have handed at the

689
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: barclay there and stead he threw the ball. If you

690
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: want to complain about the third possession, that's fine. But

691
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: the first two they did try to run the football.

692
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying, which it was a continuation of

693
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: the first half. So here's my last question, is I

694
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: want to let you guys go to so um. I

695
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: spoke to Jeff and Um Lance after the preseason when

696
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: we when Dave get Himan was scouring the waiver wire

697
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: and we were like, oh boy, that's not a good sign.

698
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: And this is why you gotta give Pat Sherman Dave

699
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: get him in some breathing room because we were we

700
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: were bad last year. We had a bad roster. Yeah. Absolutely.

701
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: So with that said, Jeff was hoping for eight and eight,

702
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: so was I. So what do you, gentlemen think this

703
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: team needs to finish with the terms of winds of

704
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: losses so that we we think that this team is

705
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: buying in a little bit it Okay, I'll answer that.

706
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: You're welcome. I think at this point in time, and

707
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: I said this when we first came on, let's look

708
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: at reality here, Okay. The reality the situation is that

709
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: the season is over as far as when it comes

710
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: to playoffs and this and that. So what is the

711
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: next step and and so if you want to if

712
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: you want to count, if you want to look at

713
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: it is from wins and lost perspective to evaluate the season.

714
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I want to see

715
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: how these guys are and I think that coach Shermer

716
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: has done a great job at keeping this team together

717
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: for from the adversity that they've been through to this point.

718
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: I gotta you gotta pat him on the back for that,

719
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: because it's easily this team could have done what they

720
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: did last year and just quit on the coach and

721
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: been done with it, right, But they've done a good

722
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: job with that, So to me going forward, I don't care.

723
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: It's I don't think it's so much with wins, even

724
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: though that's what the team aspect of it is. But

725
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: from us and analysts and trying to go over it,

726
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: it's for me, it's the evaluation. Get some of these

727
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: young guys in there to see who they're gonna go

728
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: to bat with next season with a draft and a

729
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: free agency class coming in. It's about how you play.

730
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily about the final score now, perfect point,

731
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: that's exactly right in my opinion. Now, if they go

732
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: and they lose their final what do they have six

733
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: games left now or five games left now? Five? Right?

734
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: If they're going to lose their final five games here.

735
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: That's obviously not a great sign if you see guys

736
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: starting to, you know, not give a percent effort. Correct,

737
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: that's that's all a big problem. Um. If here's what

738
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: I want to say, I want to see if this

739
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: team can figure out a successful way to play and

740
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: play in that way and play successfully, especially on offense.

741
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, My hopes of the defense

742
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: are not high. It is what it is. With the

743
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: guys you're putting out there, you can't rush the passer. Um.

744
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: I want to see b J. Hill and Dalvin Thominson

745
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: maybe be a little bit firmer against the run. Um.

746
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: And I want to see the linebackers play better because

747
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: is Tay Davis a future answer for you? Uh? Can

748
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: I see Lorenzo Carter continue to make some more progress

749
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: and make some plays? Um? Those are the types of

750
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: guys I'm looking at here, um to see if they

751
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: can give you a little bit something. Can Olivia Vernon

752
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: show you that maybe he has more left in the tank.

753
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: He's been very very quiet. You know. Those are the

754
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: things I'm looking at. And if those things go well,

755
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: the scores of the games will go along with that.

756
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: And you'll be okay. But it's about, like Jeff said,

757
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: evaluating how individuals are doing and how you're playing as

758
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: a team. To see if the identity that the head

759
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: coach and the general manager want this team to have.

760
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: And I think it's the way they played against the Bucks.

761
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: Take the ball away in defense, run the ball on offense,

762
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: play action, throw efficiently off of that running game or

763
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: touchdowns instead of field goals. That's your identity, that's what

764
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: you want. And managing the football game or the way

765
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: that you want to Okay, Now, this is a total difference.

766
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: This is what we're talking about. This is what we

767
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: talk about. This isn't what the players talk about in

768
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: the locker room. I can tell you that players want

769
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: to go out win games. They have to. In the

770
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: coach you are preaching to them, this is your game plan,

771
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: execute and will win. That's the way it is. And

772
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: every one of those guys I've been in it. You

773
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: have to take that attitude that you can go and

774
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: win every single game. Okay, from a from a locker

775
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: room perspective, as outsiders don't think they can win every

776
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: single game. We never do, okay. But the fact is

777
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: that if you're a player on this team, you are

778
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: being evaluated and understand that and and take it as

779
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: an individual task to do the best you can to

780
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: try to have a job maybe next week, the following week,

781
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: and next year and following and keep going. Jeff and

782
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: I can take that big picture of view. The players

783
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: and the coaches can't. They will never take that big

784
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: picture of view. They will take it as an individual

785
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: every single game attitude. And that's the way you have

786
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: to do it. And you know what, as a coach

787
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: and as a as a as a leader on the team,

788
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: you have to weed out the guys that don't believe

789
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: in that picture right there, and they will eventually those

790
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: guys will not be around. Dave Line for Andrew and Wisconsin.

791
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: What's going on? Andrew? How are you? Andrew? Hey, Jeff,

792
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: don't are you doing? To man? How fired good? Thanks

793
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: for taking my call um. One thing I really appreciate

794
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: you guys doing at the beginning of the show is

795
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: going step by stepped through the plays and kind of

796
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: beaten down where you know, kind of the crux of

797
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: what happened to the game and just painting a picture

798
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: of what truly happened instead of kind of what I

799
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: A lot, A lot of what I see is the

800
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: media or some fans to to paint a picture that, oh,

801
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, you took sake one Barkley out. You shouldn't

802
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: have done that, or you didn't run the ball. And

803
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: so I appreciate you guys going for those plays because

804
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: that kind of hammers home my first point. Well, and

805
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: you and you and you and and and and and

806
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: here's the thing. That's what I do when I get

807
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: back on Monday morning from these games, just that I

808
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: want to explain to you my process to see how

809
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: I kind of get to where I am. You know,

810
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: I watched the game, not as a fan, but I'm

811
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: doing the radio broadcast I'm producing, and I'm listening to

812
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: Carling Bob, and I think you walk out of the

813
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: game having an over here. Okay, this is what I

814
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: think happened. This is why I think the team lost.

815
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: Then I look at the box scoring. I say, all right, well,

816
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: what's what are some of the telling numbers here? I

817
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: look at rue past bounce, I look at third down conversion,

818
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: I look at length of the third downs, and I say, okay,

819
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: now I have a better idea. Then I turned on

820
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: the tape. Then I watched the tape and I say,

821
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: all right, organically, each possession is its own kind of animal, right,

822
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: and they all kind of goes in a separate way.

823
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: You point, you get the ball back, it starts over again,

824
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: and you get from the bigger picture continuously into smaller, smaller,

825
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: smaller microcosms, and and you know the micro portion of

826
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: the game. And that's how you see where the failures come.

827
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: And it's rarely like you just said, as simple as

828
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: oh the team did a that's why they lost. There's

829
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: always a little bit of something sprinkled in there and

830
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: different reasons for why things don't go right. Now, you

831
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: can make your point. I didn't mean to interrupt you.

832
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. No, no, no problems right, No, I agree,

833
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: and I see, I understand. I guess partly to fans

834
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: or media might try to paint broad strokes because it's

835
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: right after the game and we all have our initial reactions.

836
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, quick question before I get to

837
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: my kind of quick to next point to the short, Um, John,

838
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: did you look at the differences between eleven and twelve

839
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: personnel between the first in the second half? I feel

840
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: like we I'm sorry one personnel and eleven personal I

841
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: felt like a big thing that Sherman took a look

842
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: at over the buy and and why we won those

843
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: next two games is our use of twenty one personnel

844
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: and being able to run the ball off of that

845
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: but also use some creative play action plays. Remember they

846
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: lost Ingram that hurt them and that and those yeah

847
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: go ahead jump, I'm sorry, no, no, I'm saying, so

848
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: you lose one of your tight ends in pre game,

849
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, that that kind of hurts the whole mentality

850
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: because I believe that they were going to be in

851
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: twenty one personnel and have an Ingram outside and playing

852
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: some slot receiver in this game. Yeah, and here's what

853
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: they did. I from what I tracked mostly in the

854
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: first half what they did, I didn't track it in

855
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: the second half. Um, they were split evenly between eleven

856
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: and you know, I would say they probably in eleven

857
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: about half the time, and the rest of the time

858
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: they were either in twelve, which is two tight ends,

859
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: or twenty one with the full back on the field.

860
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: And I think the second half ratio was probably a

861
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: little bit skewed to eleven just from watching casually. And

862
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons Andrew they wanted to

863
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: do that a little bit more in this game is

864
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: they wanted the Eagles to have to go to their

865
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: nickel package because they were so depleted in the secondary.

866
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: They wanted the Eagles to get more of their players

867
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: that quite frankly are of a lower quality on the

868
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: field by forcing to put some extra dvs and what's

869
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: already a banged up secondary. So um, just again, I

870
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: have not gotten the numbers from Pro Football Focus yet.

871
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna request him. Um, my guests would be just

872
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: from watching the tape and not actually tracking play by play.

873
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: They were probably in eleven personnel more this week than

874
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: they were last week. Okay, alright, good, Yeah, make one

875
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: point and then one quick question or kind of take

876
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: off the year is uh. Um, I'm optimistic, cautiously about

877
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: Scherma as our head coach. I really like what he's

878
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: done with the players. Uh and you know personally with them,

879
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: how he talks to them. From what we can you

880
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: know at least see Um, you know it's been a

881
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: bad year. Where what three and eight? So the point is,

882
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: you know what what had been back to do? Have

883
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: he had he had eleven and eleven and five record

884
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: after the first season. You don't extend one coach after

885
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: the first year, and you don't fire a coach after

886
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: a bad first year unless everything falls apart. Um, and

887
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: then get into my question, Um, obviously I'd like to

888
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 1: look forward to the Bears game and you know, still

889
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: be in the playoff picture, but that's not where we're at.

890
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: So kind of personally looking looking big picture and obviously

891
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, the big questions were asked about Eli Manning.

892
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: Is he going to start against the Bears? And he is? Um.

893
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: One question I have and kind of thought in my

894
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: mind is, UM, I'm not going to complain if in

895
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: the you know, last couple of games, if we get

896
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: Tanny in there for a game or two, um. And

897
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: the reason being is he's had what one game as

898
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: a pro. So if you know, our management decides to

899
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: move past Eli and his cappit for next year, why

900
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: not get a look at Tanny and see what he

901
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: has as potentially a stop you know, stop get quarterback

902
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: for one year or half a season or whatever it is,

903
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: depending on what happens with the draft, And just kind

904
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: of want to get your guys thoughts on that. Glad

905
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: if you can take that one. Um. I honestly, I

906
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: think it has to do with philosophy here. And so

907
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go and that that philosophy and we're gonna,

908
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: we're gonna we want to get our backup some work

909
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: for to evaluate them. UM, I don't know, because I'm

910
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: not out of practice. To be honest with you, is

911
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: how much work that Kyle Ailetta is getting with the

912
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: first team. If he's getting work with the first team

913
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: that the coaches feel confident enough to put him in

914
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: the game, he's gonna be your first guy that's going

915
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: to go in there. I don't think that he's getting

916
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: those types of reps. This is just my opinion because,

917
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: like I said, I haven't been on a practice, and

918
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: so Alex Hanny is the guy that you're gonna want

919
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: to get in there, and he and to just to

920
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: buy some time for Kyle Aletta. I think ultimately the

921
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: evaluation is on Kyle Aioletta and not so much on

922
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: Alex Handy. But I think you may see I think

923
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: Dave our producer, we ironically he mentioned this right before

924
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: we came on the show, is that that you may

925
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: see Alex Handy before you see Kyle Aletta, who knows

926
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, then game. Of course you drafted a

927
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: quarterback in the fourth, fourth round, you want to get

928
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: a look at him. But but I'm not going to

929
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: throw a fit if if Jenny's in there for a game.

930
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: Just see we just got you know, see what happens

931
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: in the off season, and you know, maybe he's there

932
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: for you know, a couple of games as your stockt QB.

933
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of time left. I think the one thing,

934
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate that one thing that will will tip

935
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: the hat on this one is it when you see

936
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: Kyl like that is not on the an active list.

937
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: I mean he's on there every week. He's inactive and active.

938
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: If he all of a sudden becomes active, then you know,

939
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: the radar, your antenna goes up a little bit. There.

940
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: There may be something there to a one four five,

941
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: one three. Joe in Pennsylvania. He joins us next on

942
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kick Golf lot And I'm trying to find

943
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: those formational stats. By the way. That's so I'm looking

944
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: AWT in my computer. Go ahead, Joe, good luck, Hi guys,

945
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: Hi Joe. It's tough to keep going. I think this

946
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: this comes down to the coaching in our management, it

947
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: is very tough to go out there and when there's

948
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: teams in our division that are trying to get bringing

949
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: receivers in and giving up draft choices and we're having

950
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: fire sales, that's that's that sets the momentum for the team,

951
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: and then the coaching was just lost this game here

952
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: for us. It was how two weeks ago I talked

953
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: to you guys about the Bucks game. Sherman wouldn't go

954
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: for uh fourth and two on the four. He was

955
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: worried about giving up momentum. Well, how does Elay he

956
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: gives that play to Eli Kenny Lay just to throw

957
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: the ball up into three guys coverages that momentum or not.

958
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I just don't understand that momentum

959
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: to me would be kicked a field going there to

960
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: get some momentum going into tis time. Right, Well, you

961
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: don't have to. You just don't like to break it off,

962
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean, Eli doesn't have

963
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: to throw it to right, okay Man. The announcer was

964
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: saying that it's Ellie's fault there too. You just started

965
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: to throw it right up for fire sale, I mean,

966
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: for free ball there that they were saying that Barkley

967
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: was definitely wide open ten yards down the field, you know,

968
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: and use guys were saying, well, what's what are we

969
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: doing here? Uh? You were talking about the defense running

970
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: right up the middle, right up the middle, Well, they're snacks.

971
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: Then you said, uh, Jeff, you said you don't go

972
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: away from what from what you're doing until till they

973
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: can stop it. And it seemed like our coach did.

974
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: And then one other thing you said, they're about on

975
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: that uh one play there, we didn't go man the

976
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: man when the Eagles had third down, and so if

977
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: we would add apple, they might have went different and

978
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: we might add more blitzing. I mean, it's see it

979
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: starts there too. Here's the quick question there with the

980
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: tone being said at the top for management and then

981
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: with with with the coaching. So I mean it is

982
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: very hard to me, I you know what I mean

983
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: when like I said, teams in our division are trying

984
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: to get players to make it there and we're giving

985
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: them away. And you can see the Cowboys, which is

986
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: doing the best in our division now which we could

987
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: be doing, is doing it on running the ball, which

988
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: that uh the call or before or two there. I

989
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: didn't know us, didn't bring up you didn't talk Seattle

990
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: or their quarterbacks as the ball. And also I think

991
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: a lot of these short passes to Barkley is just

992
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: like another run. So I have nothing against that, but

993
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: I mean the manimate there. Uh, the tone is said

994
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: at the top and it's and it's it's hard to

995
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: play like that, don't you agree? Well, one thing, I

996
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate the call to me, to me, what's

997
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: happening with you know, the fire sale. I don't know

998
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: if it's a fire sale, but there other teams are

999
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: bringing in players that they're getting another place. The Giants

1000
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: are positioning themselves for draft picks. And you know that

1001
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: they tried to get more for snacks. They couldn't. At

1002
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: least they got something. Um, you know, I listened. I

1003
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: they believe that the future is with the young guys

1004
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: in there, okay. And I think that the Giants on

1005
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: the salary cap situation going forward, they have a lot

1006
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: of dead money next year. There's a lot of things

1007
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: that go into this fire sale, if you will, when

1008
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 1: you start to look at it in a long term, Yeah,

1009
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I would call it a fire so

1010
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: either I think that's a little bit of a strong

1011
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: way to put it. I know, I know, I know,

1012
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: um and yeah, but it is a hard way to

1013
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: play when and I don't think that. Look, I understand

1014
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: the throwing the doors at the coach. I get it.

1015
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: But you know, we went through situations here where if

1016
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, Court Coleman catches that pass or you get

1017
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: a penalty here or there, the results are a lot different.

1018
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at my notes. This were some of

1019
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: the notes that I saw that um uh, the coach

1020
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: Shermer had said after the game, and I wrote him

1021
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: down because I wanted to make sure that that I

1022
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, some of the things that he was saying,

1023
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: was it um mischances in the red zone, okay um

1024
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: more than the red zone. To let me check out,

1025
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: there were one for three, okay um. One of the

1026
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: other things he says, you have to make um the plays.

1027
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: You have to make the plays you call, meaning you

1028
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: call it play, execute it and make it. Okay um.

1029
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: You have to to not get penalties, which actually really

1030
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: kills their drives. And Coach Coughlin always used to say,

1031
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: the penalties will cost you games. They do um drives

1032
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: get knocked off. Okay, and um they're different and third

1033
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: and long second and longs um And then on the

1034
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: third and eighteen time out, he said the play wasn't

1035
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: called correctly. That was his that was his comment. He

1036
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: said part of the play wasn't communicated to the team

1037
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: properly exactly. So you know, those are some things when

1038
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: people jump to conclusions and things that the bottom line is, yeah,

1039
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: you want to save your time outs, but you don't

1040
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: want to give up on the play. There's there's still

1041
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: times when if you look at last year's games, there

1042
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: were time when teams were converting third and eighteens. So

1043
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: you can do that. You can convert it was the

1044
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: third and thirty one, if you remember that, Robert. But

1045
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: third and eighteen is captain obvious here at third eighteen

1046
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: is a lot a lot shorter than third and twenty

1047
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: five or whatever. I mean, you've got a scientist, hello,

1048
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: So I mean it's just a little easier when it's

1049
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: third and eighteen, I guess, And it's the third and

1050
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: twenty three, would it be? Yeah, exactly. And guys, I

1051
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: know some people, you know, Pat Charmer has been here

1052
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: for a loving games, all right, Yeah, let's kind of

1053
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: get and and so has Dave Gentleman, and so the

1054
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: whole the whole thing has Let's let's kind of take

1055
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: a little take pump the brakes a little bit if

1056
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: they will, if you will, and just kind of let's

1057
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: I know, this is tough because you know what, Giants

1058
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: fans are die hard and we you know, you've got

1059
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: four trophies in that case right around the corner from

1060
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: me where John and I are sitting right now. There's

1061
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: a lot of pride in that and the fans have it.

1062
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: But sometimes you just have to. It's tough to take.

1063
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: It's a tough pill to swallow. We want to remind

1064
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,799
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Speaker 1: Beacon New York. He's up next, Hey James. Yeah, you

1068
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: doing there? James? You want to tune in on the

1069
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: plate calling? What do you got for us? Yeah? I

1070
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: just wanted to speak to like the second half plate

1071
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: call and then coach Shermer explained that it was because

1072
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: of penalties and everything and that's why they got off

1073
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: to a bad start and he said that, you know,

1074
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: Barkley not being in the game was because they was

1075
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: given them possessions off. But um Goldman came in and

1076
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: had some positive place very poplars seven yards. But my

1077
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: my thing of that is is the talent of s

1078
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley. Him with a five or seven yard game,

1079
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: he can expose the defense after getting that that much progress,

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00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean inside the second area of

1081
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: the James James, I hear you, but of running back,

1082
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: of running back can not play a hundred percent of

1083
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: the snaps. I was just gonna say it can't. Ze

1084
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: Elliott doesn't do it. Todd girl, he doesn't do it.

1085
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: Levian Bell didn't do it. You cannot play one of

1086
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: the snaps, especially the way he runs. I mean sometimes

1087
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: he runs fifty yards, he gets six. So I mean,

1088
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: come on, let's give the guy a little bit, like

1089
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: let's give him a break for a series and and

1090
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: and and and James, James and James and James real quick,

1091
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: James real quick. But James real quick. On that series

1092
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: they had half, they gave him a couple of breaks, right,

1093
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: But this is out of out of the second half.

1094
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: You already had half time. But James, on that series, James,

1095
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: they had it. They had a first down in Corey

1096
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: Coleman's hands on first and fifteen. If he just catches

1097
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: the ball, it's the first, which would have been two

1098
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: first downs on that series. Okay, because they made a

1099
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: first down on gonman second run. That's true too, That's true.

1100
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: And I just want to speak to you know, old

1101
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: Dell Beckham's comments. Yes, you know when he when he

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00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: when he when he said, you know the game plan,

1103
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: you know it was through the coach. I mean, I

1104
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: think that was a legitimate answer. I don't think he

1105
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: was being selfish. I think it was just more so

1106
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: that he felt like the coach should have been more aggressive,

1107
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, but they act him As far as receivers,

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00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: I think he meant like as far as running se

1109
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley and getting the ball down the field to well, no, no, James, James, James.

1110
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: The the the the the specific question, and I was

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00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: there I heard it was why don't you think the

1112
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: team was more aggressive in challenging the Eagles depleted secondary?

1113
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: So the question was specifically about throwing the ball, and

1114
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: they did throw the ball, threw it thirty nine. That well,

1115
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: they dropped back to pass thirty nine times. They threw

1116
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: it thirty seven times, and O'Dell was targeted nine times.

1117
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: It's a good amount of times. That's about the normans

1118
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: between nine and fifteen, if you will. I mean again,

1119
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: that's about the number. And some of them were long passes.

1120
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: Eli threw it for two nineties seven. They had seven

1121
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: pass plays of twenty yards or more. I mean that's

1122
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, it was great in the first half,

1123
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: and that's why. Yeah, I mean, I really don't it

1124
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: was a tale of two halves, and um, I mean

1125
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: that the second half was just just horrible. I think

1126
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: if we could have continued doing some of the same

1127
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: stuff that you know, we basically would have been victorious

1128
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: in that game. I think what a lot of people

1129
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: are having a problem with John and everybody is that

1130
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: because the first half was so good stuff, the first

1131
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: half was so good, all of us are scratching our

1132
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: heads and how can the second half? How could this happen?

1133
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's why everybody's having a huge problem

1134
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: with this, is that where what happened and we're trying

1135
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: to we're trying to to break it down to a

1136
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: point where we're trying to understand what's happened. And it

1137
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: is a little bit. It's right here, um, and it's

1138
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: just the ebb and flow of a football game. It's

1139
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: just the way that you when you're in a somebody

1140
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: else's hometown and you're on the road, like when this

1141
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: thing's happened. You can't win games when you do this, okay,

1142
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: and and and really when the defense plays the way

1143
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: it did in the second half, you can't win games either.

1144
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: They had that, they had the lead going into the

1145
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. They couldn't stop a fourth down play. Okay,

1146
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: they just can't. It's just it happens, and this is

1147
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: how it is, and it's I think that's why everybody's scratching.

1148
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: John and I are scratching our heads because we have

1149
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: no hair to star to pull out. But that's just

1150
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: why everybody's upset about. And you know, I think part

1151
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: of it too is their inability to convert on those

1152
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: third downs in some cases because they were third and

1153
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: really really long, got them off the field so quickly.

1154
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: On the two possessions that Barkley was the primary running back,

1155
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: they were three and out on that first drive in

1156
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: the second half. They were three and out on their

1157
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: second on their third drive in the second half, and

1158
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: then the one drive that Barkley wasn't in the game,

1159
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: Goldman got three touches and they were you know, they

1160
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: ran five. They were in sixth place and five places

1161
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: and they were off the field. So they just didn't

1162
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: have that many attempts in the second half, folks. They

1163
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: only had nineteen. If you take out the final three

1164
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: plays where they had sixteen seconds to go fifty yards

1165
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: to try to kick a game winning field goal. They

1166
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: had nineteen offensive plays in the second half nineteen nineteen.

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00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: That's not a lot of plays. Four and a half

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00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: minutes of time possession in just a third quarter, and

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00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: then when you take the fourth quarter in there what

1170
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: was seen ten seventeen, there's thirty minutes of time of

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00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,959
Speaker 1: possession you can get if you want to run thirty

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00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: five plays easy and a half. Well, listen to the offense. Um, Yeah,

1173
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: the offense collectively. I saw that the participation the starters

1174
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: on offense ran sixty two plays. So take sixty two

1175
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: minus nine. They ran well twenty two of you count

1176
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: the last year they plays in the first half. Okay,

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00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: so they were on pace for on pace for eighty.

1178
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: That won't happen. But they're gonna be in the high sixties, yeah,

1179
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: or high sixties. Yeah, yeah. I mean it's uh nineteen plays.

1180
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: That's not a lot. Oh you know what I can

1181
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: use that. I don't think I got that email back

1182
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: yet about the personnel grouping shouldn't be double check it.

1183
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: I have not, but I can check Mr Fiegels how

1184
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: many plays Mr Scott Simonson Plaine and how many he

1185
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: plays Elijah Penny played. So Elijah Penny played eleven plays, Okay,

1186
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: so that means the Giants had a fullback on the

1187
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: field eleven times. Scott Simonson played eighteen plays, which means

1188
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: they two tight ends on the field eighteen times. I'm

1189
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: sure they had some twenty two personnel, so figure I

1190
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: would say, And I'd say they probably had twenty seven

1191
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: possessions give or taken possessions twenty seven plays give or

1192
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: take out of their sixty two total where they had

1193
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: either two tight ends or a fullback on the field.

1194
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: So that's about half. It's not bad. How and Fowler

1195
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: had twenty seven plays, by the way, and um Coleman

1196
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: had a thirteen, So you figured they were probably an

1197
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: eleven personnel thirty something times. Anyway, what was your question, Jeff,

1198
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Ellison was on the field for fifty five

1199
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: of the sixty two. The only player that played more

1200
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: plays than him were Sterling Shepard. But it didn't help

1201
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: that Odell Beckham Jr. Wasn't on the field for that

1202
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: first drive of the half either. Yeah, the alive thing

1203
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: sell David deal syndrome? Did you have that all the time?

1204
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: Oh man? But but do you made it out in

1205
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: the field. He would get him right away and then

1206
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: you know they're pumping it through there. Um, the one player,

1207
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: the one play that they did do when they took

1208
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: Stirling Shepard and O'Dell Beckham off the field and brought

1209
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: Fowler in with the two tight ends that thinking that

1210
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: it was going to be a running play, and then

1211
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: they dumped it down the field to Ellison. That was

1212
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: a pretty clever play. I don't know if you remember

1213
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: that play, but um, a little creativity by coach Shermer

1214
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: and Mike Shula to a one nine, three, nine four

1215
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: or five on three. Back to the phones. Let's go

1216
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: to Scott New Mexico, Scotty Do and let we'll get

1217
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: you don't worry. Hi guys, Scott, Hi uh. I guess

1218
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm the eternal optis optimist. I'm still looking for improvements

1219
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: as the Giants pretend for the rest of the season.

1220
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: But there was a comment made by Carl Banks that

1221
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: sort of disturbed me. I don't know if you heard it.

1222
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: It was in the post games show What's That? And

1223
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: he said that the defense, this is his words, is fundamental,

1224
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: fundamentally flawed. He's unhappy with with with some of the

1225
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: technique he's seeing from some of the players in the

1226
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: back half of the defense. And I was but is

1227
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: that an indictment of Betcher or the players themselves or

1228
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: is because when someone says that, it usually infers that

1229
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: something's not correctable, and I think everything is correct I know,

1230
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think he means that

1231
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: is not correctable. I'm not gonna, you know, put words

1232
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,959
Speaker 1: in calls mouth in and say who he's talking about.

1233
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: But I know he's not happy with some of the

1234
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: technique that he's seeing from people in the back half

1235
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: of the defense. Okay, And as they go to obviously

1236
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: play in Chicago next week, what are the variables whether

1237
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: tribisky players or not. Do you think that the Giants

1238
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: have to improve on in order to make it certainly

1239
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: a competitive game? And I'll take your answers off your guys. Thanks. Well,

1240
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: I'll start on the defensive side, okay, number one, Um,

1241
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna have you need to get some takeaways. Okay,

1242
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: and Robinsky if he does play, or even Chase Dan

1243
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: whoever back there. Let's keep getting pressure on the football

1244
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: and then offensively, you got to go back to being

1245
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: in that balanced offense. I think that that's that's where

1246
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: the Giants are. They do well. Don't let Khalil Mack

1247
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: become a past Oh my goodness. So you might see

1248
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: the the whatever the personnel is where there's three tight ends,

1249
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: it's just just maybe two of them on Kili Mack.

1250
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack, but man, he is a Yeah. We forgot

1251
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: to mention about him coming into town. And by the way,

1252
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: the Bears are the Bears are coming to MetLife. Um

1253
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: there at home, not not a way, no question. Um,

1254
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: that's a bad matchup for the Giants offense. The Bears

1255
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: defense is legit. Yeah, they are legit. They'll be probably

1256
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: one of the best, if not the best defense that

1257
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: they they they see all year. Yeah, I mean the

1258
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: Jaguars are playing well when the Giants faced them on

1259
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: the year. They've kind of fallen apart since the Cowboys

1260
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: defense has been very good this year. But the Browns,

1261
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: the Bears might have the best defense in football, or

1262
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: at least the top five defense in football. They've got

1263
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: good They've got Prince and Mukamara is there. They've got

1264
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: Um Jackson and yeah, they have a good secondary. They've

1265
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: got a front seven that can put pressure on the

1266
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: pastor so um, I think you gotta get the road

1267
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: Car Smith, the rookie first round pick you've got. Yeah,

1268
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got a good players, so I think

1269
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: good linebackers. Yeah, I mean they they have guys that

1270
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: can play the game. So first round. Remember a few

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Speaker 1: years ago that we wanted him the Giants the linebackers. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd. I don't like the Giants coming off the

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Speaker 1: feudal offense in the second half. Now having to go

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Speaker 1: and try to fix that against the defense like the Bears.

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Speaker 1: That worries me a little bit. It does, all right,

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01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: Lendon Maryland, you can wrap us up, big man. How

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Speaker 1: are you, hey, Guys, what's going on right then good

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Speaker 1: punch loss absolutely sum it up right at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: an Man, I mean you not, It's not like we

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Speaker 1: lost the super Bowl. It's not devastating. But although Eli

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Speaker 1: looked devastated in the post game, he was he was

1282
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Speaker 1: really struggling, you know. But it's discouraging. And Jeff, you

1283
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: talked about this at the beginning of the show as well.

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Speaker 1: We just can't make any progress in the division. The

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Speaker 1: division numbers in the last two years are just I mean,

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Speaker 1: you throw your hands up in the air. I mean,

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Speaker 1: even even when the other team is under man we

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01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: can't we can't make progress in this division. John knows

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Speaker 1: this for years. I mean, I'm a division guy. You

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Speaker 1: know we're gonna you know, we played Jacksonville once every

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Speaker 1: four years. If you want to challenge, if you want to,

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Speaker 1: if you want to chance, you got three in the division, Jeff, yep, No,

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Speaker 1: that's where listen, stay in your division. That's all you

1294
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: gotta do was winning your division. You got a chance, period,

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01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: Like John said, three and three, Okay, yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you go less than three wins in your division,

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01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: forget about it. I know, I know, all right, Hey,

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Speaker 1: a couple other things. You know, there's a reason why

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Speaker 1: Corey Coleman is available in week gates. Correct, there's a reason. Correct,

1300
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: we saw it. We saw it yesterday. Right, he gets

1301
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: hitting the numbers and can't catch the ball'll keep him

1302
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: on kick off? Talking about I mean, I wasn't terribly

1303
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: surprised that. What are we going to him for in

1304
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: that situation? I mean a little You have to play

1305
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: a third receiver. Do you have that much more faith

1306
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: in Benny Fowler? Listen, caught the ball yesterday. Yeah, but

1307
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Speaker 1: Corey Coleman could have caught that ball too. You can't.

1308
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: You can't, you can't. You can't fall to him on

1309
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: what he's doing with the kickoff? What's talking about? Like

1310
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: Corey dropped the ball like he's going to catch the

1311
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: next fifteen in a row. Well, no, that's fair, that's

1312
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: fir about his kickoff returns? You what you do? Let

1313
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: me let me go on to an other thing. The

1314
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: the Eagles made two plays on defense all day. You know,

1315
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: you don't have to make sixty. You just gotta make

1316
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: an impact play. The Eagles made too yesterday. They made

1317
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: Jenkins made him both. Okay, he made that play. Donna

1318
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, we went for the two points. I don't

1319
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: want to talk about whether we should have gone to

1320
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: do or not. I'm just saying now, I don't know

1321
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: if he got lucky. There's a reason why Ellison was

1322
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: open in the end zone. I don't know if Jenkins

1323
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,439
Speaker 1: just got lucky and thought we were going to throw

1324
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: we were going to throw the ball to Elijah Penny

1325
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: in that situation, all right, brilliant for Jenkins if he

1326
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: thought that's what we would if he smelled that play coming,

1327
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, give me a break. He's supposed

1328
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: to be covering Ellison. I'm not play. But he made

1329
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: a play. He made a play and then he made

1330
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: the interception. Can you think of any impact place we

1331
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: made on defense? Nothing? Yeah, yeah, bother the Eagles in

1332
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: the second half when after Ki Davis made the intercept,

1333
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: I made the sack. And if in fairness and the

1334
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: Eagles did punt twice in the second half, they did

1335
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: the play. The play that you would love them that

1336
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: would have made was that fourth down. I would have

1337
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: loved for them to get a stop on that fourth down.

1338
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: That would have been a big plant you yeah, let me,

1339
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: let me let me say one other things. You know,

1340
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: we keep talking. It's not a triumph. It's the regular season.

1341
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: Preseason's over, guys, training camp is over. You got Jeff?

1342
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: Tell me if I've always thought, tell me if I'm

1343
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: wrong here, Becuse you're you're the player. And I will

1344
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: defer to you on on this and you've been in

1345
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: those lockers. I will so, I will, I will defer.

1346
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: I will defer to you on this on this question.

1347
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: There's a It seems to me, there's a code. You

1348
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: play you best guys. You don't play the second stringer

1349
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: over the first stringer. Everybody looks around and says, what

1350
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: are you doing? I mean, this is a profession. If

1351
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: the guys the best, you play him training camp. Training

1352
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: camp spots over again on January second. But you can't.

1353
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: You can't put Tanny in the game. You can't even

1354
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: put a letter in a game. Look who you're playing.

1355
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: Every one of the teams we play in the next

1356
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: five weeks of fighting for a division championship, two of

1357
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: them in our own division. What are the Cowboys thinking

1358
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: if we start Jeff Tanny against the Ridskins or Alex

1359
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: or Alex whichever one. I mean, you play your bet,

1360
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: you play your your best healthy players. I mean, I mean,

1361
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: you just you have that obligation and when it runs,

1362
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: it and it runs full circle. Listen, if you're gonna

1363
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: play Jeff Tanny in a home game, which I'm going

1364
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: to and pay big money to see, give me back

1365
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: half to my me, like pay, let me pay. Like

1366
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: it's a preseason game. They better play their best players

1367
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. I don't care about

1368
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: trut Yeah, I agree, but I don't think you'll see

1369
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: Jeff Tanny. We might see Alex Tanning come into a game,

1370
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: maybe in the second half, but I don't think you'll

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01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: see him in the first time. I thought, Jeff, that's

1372
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: the season. Taken hold of perspective, no question. And you

1373
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: know what, Listen and I get that too. I gets

1374
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: it's a lot of money to come to the stadium

1375
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: and watch these football games. And you know, and it's

1376
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: not just the season ticket either, it's it's all the

1377
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: other stuff that goes into it, the parking and everything.

1378
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: So you do have a say, and um, you know

1379
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: you want to you know, Lens loading up on the

1380
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: carton candy when he comes to the games. But the

1381
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: code is, the code is play your best eleven. Yeah, exactly,

1382
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: we'll make sure when you come to the stadium they

1383
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: bring a coat this week. I think? Is that is

1384
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: that the coach drive this week? I believe, Yes, Dave

1385
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: gives the thumbs up, yes, drive this week to bring

1386
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: your a new or gently Yes, I believe is the

1387
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: term they have none not see how you're shrugging. See

1388
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: I don't help, floaty, thank you. Well, listen, there's some

1389
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: people that could deserve them. Absolutely, come out help some

1390
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: people out. Temps are dropping, should be in the forties

1391
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: and fifties next couple of weeks, mostly forties, So come

1392
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: out and help somebody that is not as well off

1393
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: as you are. Yep, yep, and uh, listen, this is

1394
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: all football. This isn't. Things are a lot worse and

1395
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: other things. So we'll get over it, you know. But

1396
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Speaker 1: it's uh, the culture and actually the code that Lennon's

1397
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: talking about is the fact that you do play the

1398
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Speaker 1: eleven best players, and that's how that's how all coaches

1399
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: will coach. You will play your best eleven. But what

1400
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: you happened and when the game it does get out

1401
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: of hand, and maybe you need to get some other

1402
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: people in there and get to get a. I mean

1403
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: Geno Smith, for God says, came in yesterday and played.

1404
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: Do you think they really want to evaluate Geno Smith?

1405
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: Somebody needs to evaluate them. We I think we had

1406
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: a conversation very similar to that last year at this time, Jeff,

1407
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: So why don't we not bring up bad memories. I

1408
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: appreciate the time today. I can't believe you just went there. Everybody, great,

1409
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Speaker 1: that's hilarious. Thank you. All right, We'll be back with

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Speaker 1: part of the show. We can do at you. By

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Speaker 1: the way, dropping around this weekend, folks, I listened to

1417
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Speaker 1: a lot of sports talk radio. We have good callers.

1418
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: You guys make good points, you're smart, you know what

1419
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: you're talking about, and it's an ugly world out there,

1420
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: and you guys make the show fun to do. So

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Speaker 1: we appreciate that. We'll see you next time. Everybody, have

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Speaker 1: a good one