WEBVTT - #657 Packers Unscripted: Camp commences 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:11.280 Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another edition of Packers Unscripted 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.320 from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.320 always by my trusted colleague Weston hod Kuitz. We are 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:21.919 back from a a summer hiatus and uh, training camp 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.040 is upon us west So I'll throw the opening line 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:29.720 of that hype song at you. Are you ready for this? No? No, no, 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.440 uh no no, it's exciting and uh, you know, I 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:35.839 got a chance to be at the shareholders meeting on 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:39.400 Monday and I was talking with Aaron Nageler from Cheese 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.400 Said TV about this. I mean, there is a certain 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.040 amount of change that you've almost feel the week that 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.199 training camp starts. And I would like to joke with 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.280 some of my family members that it's like there's five 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:57.240 seasons in Wisconsin where you know, there's spring, summer, training camp, fall, winter. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.320 Like it's just the air taste a little bit different, 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.960 the sun hits you a little bit from a different angle. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.520 It's an exciting time around lambau Field. And one of 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.319 the questions that I had from Mark Murphy was, you know, 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.200 just not just the return to normalcy, but just the 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.480 idea of being able to get the bikes out there again, 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.440 being able to to get fans really truly into this, 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:18.720 people not having to ask the question anymore about hey, 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.600 are we allowed? Are we not allowed? It's gonna, i think, 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.000 in a lot of ways, feel a lot more like 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.160 a traditional training camp, and for me, that's something I'm 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:28.840 very grateful for. Yeah, absolutely, the return to normal as 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.960 best we can under the current circumstances. Well, the first 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.880 practice of training camp is scheduled for Wednesday morning, that 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:41.920 is when camp for the Packers kicks off. So we'll 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.800 try to set the stage here a little bit with 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.320 regard to some of the news that has come out 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.320 been reported in the last few days with regard to 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.360 players who are going to begin training camp on the 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.760 PUP list, which is which stands for physically unable to perform. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.559 It's players who will not be practicing at the start 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.440 of training camp, and it's routine for anybody who doesn't 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.280 pass a physical, doesn't pass a conditioning test, whatever. There 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.560 could be any number of reasons they aren't going to 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.160 be out there the first day of practice. They will 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.080 be on the PUP list. Two players in particular, because 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.720 of position groups that we've spent a lot of time 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.280 talking about two players who are going to be on 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.600 the pup list to start camp, David Baktier and rookie 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:26.160 wide receiver Christian Watson. Starting on the offensive line, this 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.640 throws a little bit of a wrinkle into maybe where 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.360 we thought training camp was going to go with regard 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.480 to the offensive line, because in my mind, I was picturing, Okay, 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.680 you get your five time All Pro back at left tackle, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.640 and then you see how it shakes out at right tackle, 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.760 right yosh Naiman, maybe Sean Ryan's and the mixed Royce Newman. 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.359 There could be some different guys fighting for that right 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.520 tackle spot. Well, if bok tr is not going to 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:53.640 be practicing, I'm assuming most likely yosh Naiman is going 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.480 to be the left tackle with the number one offense here. 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.799 As training camp gets going, you still got to have that, 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.600 you know, an experience against guy there on on Aaron 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.520 Rodgers blindside, even when it's just a training camp practice. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.760 So then we'll see what happens with regard then to 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.080 the competition at right tackle and how it begins. That 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:12.880 being said, they're not going to be in pads for 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.239 a handful of days here yet with regard to uh 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.959 to the all the players and alignment and the contact 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.560 in particular. But what's your sense of just kind of 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.280 where things are going here on the offensive line right now? Yeah, 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:25.799 that was when when you go back to the off 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.400 season program, you know, Yash ended up playing quite a 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.760 bit at left tackle, probably more than I was anticipating, 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:32.680 regardless of whether or not box tr he was out there. 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:34.280 I just was wondering if they would give him more 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.240 reps at the right side. My guess is knowing the 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.880 way that Adam Sanovich looks at this thing, obviously, Luke 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.440 buck has being a disciple of that is, let's let's 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.200 get our guys out there, let's put them in positions 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.120 to be comfortable, and then once you you know, if 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.120 you've got to do some positional versatility there, if you 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.720 gotta do some cross training there. They've obviously been really 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.320 ept at doing that as well. So, but Nieman is 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.080 the guy I guess, to me I've always sort of 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.400 had penciled in is the right tackle. Um, the real 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.560 big quite sh mark in this entire equation is Royce Newman, 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.280 because you you almost I look at Newman the same 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.400 way I looked at Billy Turner coming out of his 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.400 second or his first year in Green Bay in two 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.800 thousand nineteen. He played guard last year, but you know, 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.560 he also has a tackle frame, And there's been an 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.919 idea in the background mind too that Okay, maybe that 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.560 right tackle competition comes down to a Nieman and a Newman. 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.839 But then are you are you doing a disservice to 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.240 Newman by not letting him retain his starting position at 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.560 right guard. That's the number one question I think the 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.640 Packers are gonna have to answer this spring this summer's 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.920 where is Royce Newman playing? Where do you want to 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.479 see him line up? He started at tackle last year 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.159 and then they ended up moving him to right guard 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.120 when there were some issues there early in camp at 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:45.320 that position. Once the Newman kind of question gets answered, 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.000 I think that's where the rest falls in line with Nieman, 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.080 with these rookies that came in, you know, because that's 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:52.600 the thing and I wrote about in our position by 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.320 position series. There are nine draft picks I think on 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.000 this team. I mean, they have invested so many resources 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.440 into that position. Not to mention a guy like Cole 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.720 Van Landing from Bayport that was taking some reps with 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.640 the first team unit at tackle this this past spring. 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.359 So that is really to me going to be the 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.480 number one question is because I feel like you can 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:17.040 look at eight different versions of this offensive line and honestly, 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:18.800 I believe all of them is potentially be in the 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.919 week one line up. Yeah, I agree with you on 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.839 that point, and also with regard to sort of where 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.680 is Newman going to fit best in this equation now? 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.200 And granted we don't know how much of training camp 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.440 David Bactieri is gonna miss, hopefully it's not a lot. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.080 But Newman when he was drafted in the fourth round 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.000 out of Old Miss, he was brought in as a 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.799 guy who played plenty of tackle and plenty of guard 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.400 in college. This is a guy the Packers felt, like 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.000 you said with Billy Turner, who could play both spots, 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.919 and they're going to find maybe where he fits best. 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.200 Now you have that third round rookie and Sean Ryan 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:54.920 in the mix here. Now, this is a guy who 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.279 played a lot of tackle in college at U c. 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.000 L A. But yet you look at you talked about 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.880 Newman maybe having that build of a tackle, Ryan almost 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.000 looks like he has more the build of a guard 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.280 as opposed to a tackle. Now, that's not to say 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.000 that that's absolutely a hundred percent where he's going to go. 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.200 But if Royce Newman is taking more reps at right tackle, 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.320 that potentially opens the door for Sean Ryan to get 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.720 some more reps with the upper units in in practice 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.200 UM at a guard spot. And then and then we 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.720 see what happens here at this time last year. Neither 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:28.920 you nor i, as we had talked about on our 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.320 last show before we took our break, we weren't talking 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.680 about Royce Newman being in the starting line up here 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.240 for the Green Bay Packers. So we just don't know 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.280 exactly how this is going to shake out. And then obviously, 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:45.040 when David Bati gets back um on the practice field 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.440 on a full time basis, that's going to you know, 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.600 set off a string at Domino, so to speak. As 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.400 far as how this is going to fall into play. Yeah, 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.160 getting a chance to talk with Sean Ryan this offseason, 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.840 I mean you get an idea how big this guy is. 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.240 I mean I almost equate him almost. He's a large 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.520 aversion of Lane Taylor where he has that's a good 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.520 way to put big, well proportioned body. But he's also 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.160 six five, I mean, so It's funny just the transition 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.320 that you've seen with offensive lineman over the years. The 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.320 Packers now have a center that's six five, they have 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.240 a guard that's that's six five. You know, they have 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.800 these guys that can The reason we talked about the 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.480 position and where these guys could fit because their bodies 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.600 almost are more like your traditional tackles. But yet now 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.000 you're seeing more of those guys push inside. This isn't 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.640 the six ft two center game anymore. It's it's kind 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:33.960 of changed a little bit in that regard. But again, 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.320 major things the Packers are gonna have to shift out, 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.360 and I promise you the way that that offensive line 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.080 looks this first week of practice is undoubtedly not going 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:43.960 to be the way it looks at the end of camp. Yeah. 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.360 Absolutely Well. With regard to the wide receiver competition, we 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.640 spent a lot of time talking about it through the spring. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.560 Christian Watson, the rookie second round pick out of North 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.360 Dakota State, will not be on the practice field at 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.800 the start of training camp. Going to be interesting to 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.800 see what this means then for Romeo Dobbs, the fourth 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.240 round pick out of Nevada, for Samari too A the 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.640 seventh round pick out of Nebraska. Also what it means 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.840 for the what I what I call sort of the 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.200 holdover group, These guys who have been on the roster, 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.360 they've gotten their feet wet in the NFL, but they're 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.960 still trying to establish themselves. And of course I'm talking 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.640 about guys like Juwann Winfree, Malik Taylor. And there's another 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.480 one that whose name is escaping me at the moment. Yes, 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.880 Amari Rodgers. Well actually there was another one too, but 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:32.840 Amari Rodgers third round pick last year, didn't have the 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.000 rookie season that he was hoping for a lot of 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:39.880 positive signs um here in the spring. So with Christian 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.160 Watson not on the field early on, again, it's you know, 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.400 one one man's misfortune can be another man's opportunity in 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.640 this league. So we'll just have to see. We'll just 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.360 have to see what happens. Did you see Jowan Winfree, Yes? 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.800 I did, Jan Winfree, Yeah, Milik Taylor, Amari Rodgers, and 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:01.040 then uh Danny Davis from Wisconsin. Maybe maybe maybe I 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:06.640 was in Randall Cobb. Yeah, that's not quite the same. Um. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.520 I I don't know if you saw the tweet I 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.360 found it very interesting because again I wrote one of 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.640 the stories on him in the spring, you know, Amari 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.439 Rogers saying that he's reported a camp a two hund 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.559 two pounds. Uh. That was his goal. He wanted to 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.320 get lighter. He said he played as heavy I think 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.360 is maybe to sixteen to seventeen last year. He wanted 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.040 to get back to being himself. He is the number 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.800 one player I think on this offense that nobody's talking 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:30.880 about in terms of that could potentially make a big 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.120 impact this year. And the reason I say that is 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.640 because since day one, when you look at how they 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.920 build that jet motion receiver, that guy that can kind 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.520 of do it all in this offense, Mari Marie Rogers, 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.520 he checks all those boxes. This is gonna be a 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.360 huge camp for him because I think the opportunity is 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.600 going to be there. But more than anything else, Mike, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:51.440 I think the guy that we're going to be seeing 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.360 the most is Alan Lazard because Alan Lazard is the 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:55.800 guy that I think when you look at how this 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.520 roster has configured, Yes, he brought in Sammy Watkins, Yes, 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.600 you saw guy like Randall Cob really turned it up 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.439 last season and get back into the fold and show 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:05.440 that he still can be a real asset to this offense. 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.920 But Lazard is in the prime of his career. He's 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.480 coming off an eight touchdown season, and he's now going 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.120 to get a chance to be one of the first 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.719 guys that Aaron Rodgers is gonna be looking towards. He's 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.280 gonna be one of the at the guys that are 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.240 going to be one of the focal points of this offense. 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:20.559 And I'm really excited for him in that regard. You saw, 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.280 I know you're big on Instagram, you know some of 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.319 these photos that Lazard has put up. I mean, he 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:29.160 looks to be in incredible physical shape right now, and 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.040 I just to me, that's the guy that I think 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.280 is really going to be the catalyst in someone that 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.560 if he stays healthy, this is his chance to prove 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.400 that he can be a number one receiver. Well, we 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.719 heard we heard Aaron Rodgers in the spring when he 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:42.599 was here for Mini camp, and he talked about it 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:46.520 how excited he was to see what Alan Lazard is 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.760 going to do when he's given the opportunity to compete 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.920 to be a true number one receiver in this offense. 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.480 He knows the offense it's not a matter of learning 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:59.240 the playbook or having to having to study things any differently. 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:01.960 But it's going to be where he lines up, where 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.040 he is in the progression. Obviously, we're going to see 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.400 what happens with Sammy Watkins with him getting thrown into 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.199 the mix here as a veteran wide receiver who's accomplished 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.840 a lot in the NFL UM trying to revive rejuvenate 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:18.000 his career a little bit. You mentioned Randall Cobb. He's, 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:19.760 you know, kind of the old stand by, the old 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.520 reliable for Aaron Rodgers. Right, Rogers knows exactly where Cobb 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.120 is going to be and when at at certain times. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.560 But how all this fits together If training camp does 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:34.240 indeed start as Rogers was projecting that the top three 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.199 guys at wide receiver are Lazard, Cobb, and Watkins, whatever 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.160 order you want to put him in, then it's just 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.360 going to be a matter of all these other young guys, 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.400 first and second year guys, the rookies all in that 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:49.480 mix competing with each other to see, like, Okay, who's 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.800 going to who's gonna be the guy that gets that 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.400 one day somewhere in August to get all his reps 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.559 with the number one offense as opposed to being with 0:11:57.679 --> 0:11:59.559 the twos or with the threes, Right, Like, that's what 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.480 these guy as you're going to be are going to 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.360 be fighting for because we know when it comes to 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.640 the preseason games, there are certain guys who are probably 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.480 not going to play. Um, those guys are going to 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.440 get their The younger guys are going to get their 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.559 opportunities in the preseason games. But what do they do 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.439 in practice to give themselves those opportunities? With Aaron Rodgers 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.880 taking the snaps, right, that's what we'll be watching. Samari 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.839 to Ray is a name that I'm going to have 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:26.760 on my clipboard on my notebook throughout this camp, throughout 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.200 the preseason because I'm gonna tell you this, in offseason 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.160 program does not make a career. It does not make 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.520 you a fifty three man roster. To Ray did every 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.600 single thing he could do is a seventh round pick 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.559 to get noticed in the spring. Because you're not given 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.520 much benefit of the doubt, You're not going to be 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.480 given a lot of time in a lot of cases. 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:44.880 I'm not saying this is Green Bay, but there's a 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.559 lot of places in the NFL they're looking for a 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.160 reason to keep their seventh round pick on a practice 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.719 squad to Ray the way he played the fact that 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.880 he caught everything that was thrown to him. Maybe he 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.360 had one drop on a maybe a route on air, 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.400 I think, but otherwise in terms of the team periods, 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.120 the kid performed in Romeo Dobbs, same thing. This guy 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.599 coming out in Nevada tons of production in college, was 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.199 a complete ball hawk and playmaker in these training the 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.400 offseason practices. Now let me also add the condition here 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.800 that Alexander was not out there. Rasul Douglas often wasn't 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:16.640 out there. They didn't have their top to the line 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.360 of cornerbacks and safeties. You've got to be able to, 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.880 you know, cushion that a little bit. But these guys 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.560 need to be able to show that they can make plays. 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.680 And they did it against their peers. And that's one 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:28.000 of the reasons why this year, this training camp, these receivers, 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.040 it is going to be fun to watch. 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We believe in better alright, 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.679 defensive side of the ball here, not as much in 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.400 UH as far as the off season news or I 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.880 should say recent news with regard to UH, the pup 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.160 list and whatnot. So I'll just ask you straight out, 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:17.120 what is the number one storyline that you're going into 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:23.080 camp paying attention to with regard to Joe Berry's defensive unit. Really, 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.040 to me, it's Quay Walker. Yeah, I think so too, 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.520 in the fact of where is this guy gonna be, 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.600 how are they going to utilize him, and how quickly 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:32.840 are they going to look for him to be a 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:34.800 starter in this unit. We saw him rotating with the 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.880 starters in the off season program. Again, that doesn't tell 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.200 you everything, but it does say something because historically that's 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:43.760 not been a thing that has happened a lot in 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.240 Green Bay, especially with Devondre Campbell and Chris Barnes both 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.000 being here. For the offseason program. It's not like there 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.280 was not enough options there, So hey, let's throw a Walker. 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.080 All the Packers have some expectations for this young man 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:59.120 six ft four pounds. You and I got the visual 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.000 of what it looks like he's lining up next to 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:05.800 Campbell behind the defensive line. It's imposing the biggest thing here. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.000 We're gonna talk a lot about. Okay, how is the 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.920 offense gonna, you know, do without Davante Adams. So what 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.880 is rich Bisacci gonna do on special teams? How can 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.520 they improve in those facets? The defense has been the 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.960 story since the day the season ended, and especially after 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.880 Wessel Douglas and Devandre Campbell signed, the defense has been 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.480 the story. These are the most weapons, These are the 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.720 most draft picks. This is the most investment green Bay 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.400 has made it at that side of the ball. Into 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.520 Joe Barry's credit, they made the most of it last year. 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.040 Can you see them take that jump and if they do, 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.560 Kway Walker is the type of player that they didn't 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.720 have in this defense last year. That's not a dig 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:46.560 against Chris Barnes. I'm saying in terms of just a player, linebacker, athlete. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.560 This guy's a difference maker, and that that's the part 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.240 of it I'm excited to see, especially being able to 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.240 work under the learning tree of Deavandre Campbell, which has 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.560 already kind of integrated himself to into you know, in 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.040 the off season. Well, certainly with the way last season 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.200 ended and is disappointing as it was. The season ends 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.640 with that big thud of a loss against the San 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.560 Francisco forty Niners and the playoffs. The reason we've been 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.120 talking about the defense all off season not just because 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.320 the two first round picks were both spent on defense 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:17.720 and on two guys from that Georgia Bulldocks National championship team, 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.120 you know, Kay Walker and Davonte Wyatt on the defensive line. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:25.560 It's because that defense reached a peak last season right 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.960 at the time you wanted to reach a peak. Now, 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.200 is it going to be able to just pick up 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.080 where it left off in Week one? I mean, that's 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:36.120 not how this league works, right, But everything about the 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.040 everything about the progression and the trajectory of the defense, 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.520 even in dealing with Jaye Alexander's injury and other guys 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.760 being in and out of the lineup, the defense got 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.960 exactly where it needed to be last January um for 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.200 the Packers to to get where they wanted to go, 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.600 and other the other phases of things didn't fall into place. 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.440 But that's why so much attention has been on the defense, 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.720 and everybody's really really excited. Then you throw in Kway 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.879 Walker and Devontae Wyatt on a defensive line where you 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.800 not only spend a late first round pick, you spent 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:12.760 a first round pick on that position group for the 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.399 first time since Kenny Clark, but you also brought in 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:19.640 a free agent in Jaren Reid who spent five seasons 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.320 in Seattle, spent a season in Kansas City. This is 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.320 a this is a productive guy. I like to call 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.520 him the been there, done that guys, right. I mean, 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.360 he's he's been, He's been in playoff games, He's produced. 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.840 The track record is there, he's been healthy, hasn't had 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.800 you know, an injury, pockmark career, anything like that. This 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.480 is a This is a defensive line. This is a 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.760 defensive line that's as deep as I've seen it in 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.879 a long time. And then you talk about that imposing 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.960 look of Campbell and Walker to six ft four guys 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.720 um as those two inside linebackers there's a there's a 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.240 lot of excitement about this defense, and for good reason. 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.040 All that being said, we may not really see what 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.840 this defense looks like for a while because a lot 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.200 guys aren't gonna play in the preseason games. They're gonna 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:03.520 go through camp. We're going to see him in the 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.520 eleven on elevens. We're gonna we're gonna try to glean 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.560 what we can from it. But Week one in some 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.280 in some respects can't get here soon enough as far 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.080 as just where is this Packers defense considering where it 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.639 left off last January. And that's where it's going to 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:20.440 be exciting too, because I do think for a first 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:22.280 round pick, I think you are going to see Davonte 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.520 Wyatt play in a lot in preseason. I think you're 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.280 gonna see I mean t J. Slayton and Jonathan Ford. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.080 I mean they might need to work on their their 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.200 cardio a little bit. Those those those guys might those 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.560 guys might get might get a lot of snaps in 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.080 these three games in August, that's for sure. And and 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.760 that's the exciting part of it because Kenny Clark, you're 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:41.680 not going to see out there, you know, Dean Lawry, 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:43.840 I wouldn't imagine, especially with Dean I think he's he's 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.080 on PUP two. Yeah, Lowry is one of the defensive starters. 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.520 Who who is going to begin camp on pup and 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.600 Jaren Reed I wouldn't imagine. Maybe you get some work, 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:53.640 but it's gonna be allowed those young guys, and that's 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.879 gonna be their time to shine. Because as much as 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:57.960 we talk about rotation, as much as we talk about 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.240 being able to keep guys fresh, what is is really about? 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:03.680 To me? It's about how are we going to be 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.160