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Speaker 1: The eighties were the golden age of porn. Everybody was

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Speaker 1: treated so well and we were all so close. It

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Speaker 1: was just beautiful. Jinger and Allen performer.

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Speaker 2: We're just another option for adults. I believe people make

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Speaker 2: decisions for themselves. It's not for me or anyone else

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Speaker 2: to pass any kind of world judgment. We make movies

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Speaker 2: that people want to watch them. We'll continue to do that.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Hirsch, Vivid Video Founder.

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Speaker 3: Nobody in the modern era of the adult industry has

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Speaker 3: been more innovative in mainstreaming their company image than Vivid.

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Speaker 3: That made them one of the premier brands in all

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Speaker 3: of Hollywood. Adults or otherwise. Paul Fishbeind, Adult Video News Founder.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Jenna World. Welcome back. I'm your host, Molly Lambert.

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Speaker 4: This is episode three ej Before Jenna. Pacific Palisades, nineteen

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Speaker 4: eighty four. At a seafood restaurant off the Pacific Coast

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Speaker 4: Highway called Gladstone's at the Beach, a twenty two year

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Speaker 4: old five foot six, brown haired Jewish kid from the

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Speaker 4: valley named Stephen Hirsh a Gemini and his girlfriend Bren

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Speaker 4: are meeting up with twenty one year old five foot

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Speaker 4: four blonde Sagittarius ginger Lynn Allen ginger Lynn has been

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Speaker 4: doing adult movies for a year. Stephen Hirsh is a

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Speaker 4: fan of her work who wants to make her an offer.

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Speaker 4: She agrees to hear him out in exchange for his

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Speaker 4: promise of endless crab legs, her favorite and an ocean

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Speaker 4: front view. Ginger Lynn arrives in a lace dress and

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Speaker 4: heels to meet Stephen and Wren at a wooden picnic

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Speaker 4: table on Gladstone's outdoor deck, overlooking will Rogers State Beach,

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Speaker 4: named for the vaudeville cowboy turned radio star. At twenty

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Speaker 4: two years old, Stephen Hirsch is already a second generation pornographer.

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Speaker 4: His father, Fred Hirsch, is a prominent distributor of eight

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Speaker 4: millimeter stag films, which are short films that are at

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Speaker 4: most ten minutes long, have no sound, and depict hardcore

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Speaker 4: sexual acts. Stag films were creditless, with no director, stars,

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Speaker 4: or film crew credited. Because pornographic films were then legal

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Speaker 4: to make or show. They screened stag films clandestinely at fraternities, brothels,

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Speaker 4: and men's clubs. Fred Hirsch was a stockbroker first, but

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Speaker 4: after Wall Street crashed in nineteen sixty two, he decided

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Speaker 4: to shift gears. When Stephen Hirsh is eleven years old,

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Speaker 4: his father Fred gathers the family in their living room

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Speaker 4: selling pornographic film reels for a company called Sovereign News.

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Speaker 4: All of this takes place not in Horney, liberal California,

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Speaker 4: but in horny, conservative Cleveland, Ohio. Their father warns young

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Speaker 4: Stephen and his sister Marcy that other kids might not

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Speaker 4: accept them if their parents find out what the Hirsh

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Speaker 5: My biggest concern was what I would tell my friends.

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Speaker 5: I had a hard time Marcy Hirsch, Stephen's sister.

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Speaker 2: I was okay with that. If they didn't want to

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Speaker 4: Sovereign News Corporation, the company who give Fred Hirsch his

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Speaker 4: new career selling eight non elimeter stagfilms, is owned by

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Speaker 4: a Cleveland born businessman named Ruben Sterman, A Leo. The

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Speaker 4: son of Russian Jewish immigrants, Sterman starts selling comic books

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Speaker 4: nineteen forties, he parlays his comic book hustle into a

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Speaker 4: He adds adult magazines to the roster in the early sixties,

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Speaker 4: and their profits quickly surpass his other wares. Rubin Sterman

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Speaker 4: has been called the Walt Disney of porn for doing

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Speaker 4: for sex magazines what Walt Disney did for animation, fostering

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Speaker 4: a new American national pastime, selling a wildly lucrative form

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, it's all just a

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Speaker 4: way to leave behind the miserable drudgery of real life

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Speaker 4: for a fantasy realm. In nineteen sixty four, Ruben Sterman

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Speaker 4: first legal adult bookstores in the US adult bookstores, which

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Speaker 4: the Midwest to ELA's San Fernando Valley, where a sex

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Speaker 4: in Van Nuys, a line of credit for clothes at

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Speaker 4: Posh Beverly Hills Men's shop, Vijon, Rolls Royce's Mercedes, and

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Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty nine, he's sentenced for tax eVision. Sterman

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Speaker 4: is ordered to pay two point five million dollars in

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Speaker 4: He strikes a plea bargain, but gets caught trying to

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Speaker 4: He's locked up in Boron, California. He pulls off a

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Speaker 4: Cleveland's porn king, Reuben Sturman, serves out the rest of

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Speaker 4: age of seventy three. Despite their dad's unusual job selling

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Speaker 4: dirty movies, the Hirshes are a model middle class Jewish

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Speaker 4: mid century Midwestern family. The Hirsh kids, son Stephen, daughter Marcy,

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Speaker 4: kids in Lyndhurst, Ohio. Some of them bully him at

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Speaker 2: It helped toughen me up a bit, and it helped

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Speaker 6: I'd always wanted to do a movie that was pure

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Speaker 6: and sleep had been just sleeping. So in October sixty eight,

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Speaker 6: I shot a movie of Viva having sex with Lewis Walden.

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Speaker 6: I just called it Fuck, Andy Warhol Artist.

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Speaker 4: After the Hayes Code of Film Censorship ends in nineteen

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Speaker 4: that can show sex and screen in public. In nineteen

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Speaker 4: footage of explicit sex acts hits the big screen. It's

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Speaker 4: an Andy Warhol art film called Blue Movie, originally titled Fuck,

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Speaker 4: starring Warhole superstar Viva and actor Lewis Walden as a

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Speaker 6: Scripts bore me. It's much more exciting not to know

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Speaker 6: If you see a movie of two people talking, you

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Speaker 6: You get involved, you miss things, you come back to it.

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Speaker 6: the ending. Everyone is rich, everyone is interesting. Years ago,

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Speaker 6: This is my favorite theme in movie making, just watching

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Speaker 7: The Warhole films for about sexual disappointment and frustration. The

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Speaker 7: way Andy saw the world, the way the world is,

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Speaker 7: and the way nine tenths of the population sees it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Blue Movie follows Warholes shorts Blowjob Number one and Blowjob

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Speaker 4: Number two, which both focus and tight close up on

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Speaker 4: Warhole purposely courts controversy, which brings him free publicity. The

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Speaker 4: Warhole ethos of art, a self consciously consumerist product, a

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Speaker 4: theatrical house record of three thy fifty dollars, recouping its

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Speaker 4: his wish for controversy and free promotion when the NYPD

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Speaker 4: explicit dialogue. In film stills from Blue Movie. Conservatives are

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Speaker 4: The Fuse, and shortly after its success, pornographic movies like

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Speaker 4: become big box office hits. In nineteen seventy five, the

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Speaker 4: the now teenage Stephen Hirsch's life. He's no longer the

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Speaker 4: Stephen Hirsch no longer get bullied for being Jewish at

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Speaker 4: his new school, El Camino Real High, he reinvents himself

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Speaker 4: There By the mid seventies, the porn industry is estimated

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Speaker 4: By nineteen eighty, the yearly profits for pornography have shot

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Speaker 4: Bobchin creates a franchise around his muse where John Holmes

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Speaker 4: this way, he will be able to build his performers

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Speaker 4: brands up to rise in value, and the marketing blitzes

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Speaker 4: orchestrated around stars will benefit performers and their studios.

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Speaker 2: We had a better way of skinning the cat. We

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Speaker 2: wanted Vivid Video to be unique and separate ourselves from

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Speaker 2: the rest of the industry. We wanted to focus on

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Speaker 2: a girl, not just some innocuous movie title. There were

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Speaker 2: two huge stars at the time, Ginger Lynn and Tracy Lord's.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately we chose the right one. We focused on Ginger

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Speaker 2: and she was the first Vivid girl.

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Speaker 4: He is glad they didn't choose Tracy because she was

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Speaker 4: working in porn underage, using a fake ID that said

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Speaker 4: she was eighteen. This jeopardized the porn business by making

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Speaker 4: it seem like she'd been knowingly hired while underage, but

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Speaker 4: really everyone just believed her fake ID was real. Had

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Speaker 4: Stephen Hirsch chosen Tracy Lords to be the first Vivid girl,

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Speaker 4: this whole story would be different. But Luckily for him,

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Speaker 4: Stephen Hirsch decided to bet the house on ginger Lynn Allen.

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Speaker 4: When Jenna World returns, ginger Lynn Allen becomes Vivid Videos

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Speaker 4: first contract girl Oh My an Welcome back to Jenna Worldwood.

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Speaker 1: I actually helped Vivid form a lot of their ideas.

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Speaker 1: We worked very closely together. It was a very good experience.

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Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun.

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Speaker 13: Ginger Lynn was comfortably pretty. She didn't have the kind

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Speaker 13: of beauty that chilled you, it warmed you. She came

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Speaker 13: along at exactly the right time. William Margold X rated

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Speaker 13: critics Organization.

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Speaker 4: Ginger Lynn Allen is a tomboy born and raised in Rockford, Illinois.

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Speaker 4: Her father, Wayne Allen, was an alcoholic who physically abused

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Speaker 4: her mother, Marilyn. Her mother, Marilyn, was born to a

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Speaker 4: prostitute and adopted into a family of strict Baptists. Marilyn

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00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: would beat Gingerlyn and scream at her that she was

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Speaker 4: evil and ugly like the Mom and Carrie. Ginger Lynn's

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Speaker 4: parents divorce, and she's so traumatized from her home life

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Speaker 4: that she tries to commit suicide by sleeping pills at

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Speaker 4: age twelve. At age thirteen, she moves in with her

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Speaker 4: dad's parents, who provide a calm, stable environment. She gets

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Speaker 4: into sex, drugs and skipping class, but still graduates from

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Speaker 4: Rockford West High at eighteen in nineteen eighty. In nineteen

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Speaker 4: eighty two, at age twenty, Gingerlyn moves to Redlands, California,

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Speaker 4: to care for her grandfather. When he dies, ginger Lynn

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Speaker 4: and a guy she calls her first nice boyfriend move

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Speaker 4: into her grandpa's trailer park home. She gets a job

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Speaker 4: at a chain record store called Musicland, but it barely

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00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 4: pays the bills and rent. Then she sees a print

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Speaker 4: ad for World Modeling Agency, the biggest adult modeling agency

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Speaker 4: in the LA area. It's run by a dark haired

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Speaker 4: Texan fellow with a big walrus mustache who always wears

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Speaker 4: cowboy boots, western shirts and jeans. He goes by the

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Speaker 4: name of Jim South.

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Speaker 14: Anybody can say or have the opinion they want to have,

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Speaker 14: just like I believe, if a girl is of age

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Speaker 14: and she's not drugged or coerced, she has the right

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Speaker 14: to be in a movie. She has the right to rent, buy,

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Speaker 14: or view a movie. I think there will always be

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Speaker 14: people who think any of this is degrading for women.

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Speaker 9: Jim South agent.

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Speaker 4: Jim South is born James Marvin Sowder Junior in Dallas, Texas.

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Speaker 4: A virgo, he works as a Texas insurance salesman in

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Speaker 4: the early sixties. In nineteen sixty eight, he moves to

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Speaker 4: la and gets a job at an agency that reps

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Speaker 4: fashion models. In nineteen seventy six, James Sowder redubs himself

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Speaker 4: Jim South and starts World Modeling Talent Agency, which represents

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Speaker 4: nude models in an office on the valleys Van Nuys Boulevard,

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Speaker 4: evading LAPD surveillance in the occasional pimping charge. Jim South

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Speaker 4: runs print ads scouting for new adult talent for decades.

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Speaker 4: World Modeling Agency and another agency called Pretty Girl International

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Speaker 4: are the only two agencies who recruit and represent nude performers.

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Speaker 4: Signing with one of them is the primary way to

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Speaker 4: break into adult films.

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Speaker 14: Holy men in the business are just props. The women

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Speaker 14: make the line share of the money. The women dictate

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Speaker 14: who they'll work with and who they won't work with.

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Speaker 14: Believe me.

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Speaker 4: Ginger Lynn Allen answers a World Modeling Agency ad seeking

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Speaker 4: figure models for one hundred and fifty dollars a shoot.

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Speaker 1: He asked me to take my clothes off. I had

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Speaker 1: no trouble doing that whatsoever. I was never ashamed or embarrassed.

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Speaker 1: I was always comfortable with my body.

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Speaker 4: Now, some people say Jim South is a true professional

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Speaker 4: with a strict no dating the talent policy. Other people

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Speaker 4: say he's a real scumbag who offers models cocaine and

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Speaker 4: champagne to try to get them to take their clothes

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Speaker 4: off faster. Ginger Lynne signs with Jim South's agency and

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Speaker 4: he books her first paid photoshoot. On the spot, she

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Speaker 4: dumps her nice boyfriend and moves to La ginger Lynde's

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00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: nude pictures for Hustler and Penthouse get her noticed and

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00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 4: scouted to do adult films. She makes her first one

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Speaker 4: that year, called Surrender in Paradise, shooting in Maui, with

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Speaker 4: actor Jerry Butler. Butler, whose real name is Paul Siderman,

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Speaker 4: becomes her next boyfriend. Jerry Butler stars in adult films

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Speaker 4: like Raw Talent, which has this indelible dialogue from Butler

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Speaker 4: and actress Taija Ray, what.

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Speaker 15: Do you do?

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Speaker 12: I'm an actor.

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Speaker 8: Name something you've been in?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 4: I was in a soap opera, Dawn of day.

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Speaker 11: I don't watch soaps. Name something else, all right.

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Speaker 4: I did some off off Broadway, some one act plays,

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Speaker 4: some summer revivals.

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Speaker 16: Tell me something I might have seen on TV, something

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Speaker 16: really big, something that's.

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Speaker 10: Been on TV. Well, I was in the Vietnam War

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Speaker 10: and I had a bit part in that one.

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Speaker 4: Jerry Butler's father managed the original Coney Island location of

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00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 4: Nathan's hot Dogs, and his grandfather was Leon Trotsky's half brother.

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Speaker 4: Jerry himself once tied for first place in the Nathan's

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Speaker 4: hot Dog eating contest in New York. Jerry Butler studies

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Speaker 4: the Meisner technique, tries out for the New York Rangers,

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00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 4: and drives a taxi cab. After failing to bring into

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Speaker 4: mainstream acting, he gets into porn and does movies like

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Speaker 4: Angel Buns, Fixin's In Heat, Debbie does Dallas three, and

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Speaker 4: Doctor Strange. Sex on set in Maui, Jerry Butler proposes

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Speaker 4: to Ginger Lynn.

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Speaker 1: She accepts, I was making more money in two weeks

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Speaker 1: than I did in two years, and I was having

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Speaker 1: great sex with someone I loved.

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Speaker 4: Ginger Lynn breaks off her engagement to Jerry Butler halfway

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Speaker 4: through filming because he insists on method acting, speaking with

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Speaker 4: a heavy New York accent, and wearing a gross shirt

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00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 4: even when he's not filming. It's her first of ten

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Speaker 4: broken engagements. Ginger Lynn makes five one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: dollars for Surrender in Paradise. With her eighties video girl

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Speaker 4: look and strong work ethic, she quickly rises up the

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Speaker 4: ranks of adult film. Nineteen seventies golden age porn stars

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00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 4: resembled the stars of nineteen seventies New Hollywood. The men

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00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 4: Harry and Ethnic. The women also Harry Bralis and Freaky

556
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 4: Everyone's sweaty as hell. Guys like John Holmes and Harry

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Speaker 4: Reems are the porn equivalents of actors like Robert De

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Speaker 4: Niro and Al Pacino.

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Speaker 17: Let's face it, we were a hairy bunch back then,

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Speaker 17: and there was more of the natural woman. I became

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Speaker 17: famous as a porn star not because I was so

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Speaker 17: gorgeous or I had the best body, but probably because

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Speaker 17: people felt comfortable with me. I was kind of like

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00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 17: the girl next door that you could feel like you

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00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 17: could talk to and maybe get lucky with. Veronica Hart, performer.

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Speaker 4: The adult film business begins in New York before moving

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Speaker 4: to La The first performers to have sex on film

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Speaker 4: are a mix of stage actors, times Square strips, and

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Speaker 4: downtown artists, which is why monologust and actor Spaulding Gray

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Speaker 4: appears in a nineteen seventy six porn oh called The

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Speaker 4: Farmer's Daughters. The porn stars of the nineteen eighties resemble

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Speaker 4: mainstream nineteen eighties movie stars, clean cut, all American Barbie's

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Speaker 4: and Ken's. If they're sweaty, it is only with the

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Speaker 4: healthy sheen of exercise, which includes vigorous sex. Risky business

575
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 4: is a big hit in the eighties, and porn stars

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00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 4: start to resemble stars like Tom Cruise and Rebecca de Morney.

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00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 4: The girls are approachable, pretty preppy babes who do filthy

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Speaker 4: sex stuff in the movies. So ginger Lynn Allen, who

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Speaker 4: has the clean cut, blonde, white babysitter look that's in

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Speaker 4: favor in Hollywood, thrives in the valley. Now that she's

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Speaker 4: making good money doing porn, ginger Lynn has to make

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Speaker 4: as much as she possibly can. She has already shown

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Speaker 4: her tits and ass on the film record, which in

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Speaker 4: the eighties was considered a social death sentence for having

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Speaker 4: a normal life afterwards, But ginger Lynn didn't have a

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00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 4: normal life in Rockford either. The girl who looked to

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Speaker 4: everyone else like a wholesome teenage girl in Illinois was

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Speaker 4: secretly suffering at home. In Los Angeles, ginger Lynn has

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Speaker 4: personal freedom from her abusive family and something else, vital

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Speaker 4: financial independence. Gingerlynn is also well aware that porn, much

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00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 4: like Hollywood, tends to chew people up and spit them

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Speaker 4: back out. In her first year in the biz, she's

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Speaker 4: already nearly run the gauntlet of filmed sex acts. She

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Speaker 4: doesn't want audiences to tire of her novelty too quickly

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Speaker 4: and move on to new performers, and that is how

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Speaker 4: ginger Lynn finds herself at Gladstone's on the beach, eating

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Speaker 4: crab legs by the ocean with Stephen Hirsch as he

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Speaker 4: paints a beautiful picture of her future at his new studio,

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Speaker 4: Vivid Video. He makes her an offer an exclusive contract

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Speaker 4: where she'll become what he calls the first Vivid Girl,

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Speaker 4: with clauses for casting and script approval, royalties for videotape sales,

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Speaker 4: and an ad campaign dedicated to marketing her to the masses.

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Speaker 4: Ginger Lynn knows that Stephen Hirst has nothing to show

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Speaker 4: for his pitch, but big promises. But he wins her over.

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Speaker 4: They will launch vivid video together.

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Speaker 2: It's the way they talk, the way their eyes are,

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Speaker 2: way they carry themselves. If there's something that just really

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Speaker 2: stands out about them, then we send them over to

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Speaker 2: our photographer. If those look great, we shared a scene

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Speaker 2: with them, because obviously the sex has to be great.

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Speaker 4: Stephen Hirsch also believes that the home video revolution will

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Speaker 4: open up a lucrative new consumer base.

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Speaker 13: Women.

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Speaker 4: Anyone too shy or ashamed to admit they want to

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Speaker 4: see movies of people having sex will now be able

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Speaker 4: to consume them in a its setting. If the idea

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Speaker 4: of having to sit in a theater surrounded by raincoated

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00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 4: dudes jacking it is what put you off porn, you're

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Speaker 4: suddenly in luck. You can now watch it in the

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Speaker 4: ideal eighties viewing setup. Sitting on a black leather couch

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Speaker 4: with a glass top coffee table and a neon lit

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Speaker 4: tropical fish tank, watching on a big TV with a VCR.

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Speaker 1: I look like what might be your best friend's sister.

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Speaker 4: Ginger Len Allen will give these new female viewers an

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Speaker 4: avatar they can identify with, providing them an entree into

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Speaker 4: watching porn. If this nice, normal, suburban girl can do pornography,

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Speaker 4: surely there's nothing wrong with watching her enjoying herself. The

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00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 4: first female porn stars reflected the sexual revolution spurred by

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Speaker 4: birth control pills. They were freaky hippie chicks who liked

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Speaker 4: to eat health food and fuck. Many were political, actively

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Speaker 4: pushing against social constraints, and accepted female roles in society.

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Speaker 4: Instead of pursuing homemaking, child rearing, or husband hunting, they

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00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 4: searched for personal ecstasy. But there was also a known

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Speaker 4: dark side, best represented by deep throats Linda Lovelace and

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Speaker 4: other women like her, who were pushed by suitcase pimp

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Speaker 4: boyfriends into doing stuff on camera against their will. Nineteen

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Speaker 4: eighties porn reflected a backlash against the sixties and seventies,

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Speaker 4: an attempted reset to an imaginary wholesome as apple Pie

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Speaker 4: America the Reagan years. Ginger Lenn Allen is young and sexy,

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00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 4: but approachable in an eighties twist, She's also a powerful businesswoman.

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Speaker 4: She's the perfect screen commodity for her era and for

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Speaker 4: Stephen Hirsch's big plan to prove that porn is not

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Speaker 4: a gross thing. For disgusting people. It's a normal, healthy

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Speaker 4: outlet for human sexuality.

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Speaker 18: Stephen Hirsch grew up when porn was a dirty, underground business.

646
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Speaker 18: If he was going to be in the business, it

647
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Speaker 18: was going to be mainstream. Bill Asher Vivid Video co.

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Speaker 4: Chair Stephen Hirsch's promise to make Ginger Lind a big

649
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Speaker 4: star is more than just hot beach air. With thirty

650
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Speaker 4: eight thousand dollars of capital, funded in part by his father, Fred,

651
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Speaker 4: Vivid Video launches itself as the first adult film studio

652
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Speaker 4: of the video age. Vivid sinks money into film production

653
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Speaker 4: and even more money into the box cover, ponying up

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Speaker 4: for a pro photographer to do a high fashion shoot

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Speaker 4: of Ginger at the beach straddling a ceramic lion in

656
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Speaker 4: a blue and white striped bikini in an industry first.

657
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Speaker 4: Her first movie for Vivid Video is titled Ginger. Before Ginger,

658
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Speaker 4: video covers were always a collage of the sex scenes within,

659
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Speaker 4: and movies were never named after the star Ginger. The

660
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Speaker 4: movie is an instant smack uh hit, establishing Gingerlynn the

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Speaker 4: person as the video generation's new biggest porn star and

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Speaker 4: Vivid Video as the new studio to watch Ginger sells

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Speaker 4: a then record six thousand VHS copies right off the bat.

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Speaker 4: A softcore cut of Ginger sells even more copies worldwide.

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Speaker 4: The final gross for Ginger is seven hundred thousand dollars,

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Speaker 4: which is reinvested into follow up projects like Ginger on

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Speaker 4: the Rocks, Ginger's Private Party, and I Dream of Ginger.

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Speaker 1: The combination of a great box cover and young beautiful

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Speaker 1: women became Vivid's trademark.

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Speaker 18: The girls don't have to worry about anything. We handle

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Speaker 18: their careers and treat them like stars.

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Speaker 14: David James Vivid Video.

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Speaker 4: When Jenna World returns, Vivid Video takes off into the stratosphere.

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Speaker 4: Oh my, an welcome back to gena world. Gingerln Allen

675
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: rises rapidly in fame at the same time as another

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Speaker 4: horny Midwestern girl with a healthy appetite for fund and sex,

677
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Speaker 4: Michigan's own Madonna, Luise Chicone a Leo. In nineteen eighty four,

678
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Speaker 4: Madonna puts out a music video for Like a Virgin,

679
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Speaker 4: directed by Mary Lambert no relation. The lyrics cause controversy,

680
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Speaker 4: and the video where Madonna rolls around Venice hornily in

681
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Speaker 4: a wedding dress, makes it a cultural Lightning Rod. Madonna's

682
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Speaker 4: stardom causes discourse about what sex in the eighties means

683
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 4: for America's horny young daughters, who could be tempted to

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Speaker 4: leave the stifling suburbs behind to get involved in New

685
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Speaker 4: York's bustling art scene and date John Michelle Bosquiat, Madonna

686
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 4: and Ginger Lynn and straight a potential future where women

687
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Speaker 4: aren't doomed to be sex objects lacking agency. They can

688
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 4: be sex subjects expressing their feelings and desires. This is

689
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Speaker 4: the start of what's called third wave feminism, which involves

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Speaker 4: using female sexuality to gain power. The kind of power

691
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 4: that can be gained from sexuality is allegedly temporary and

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Speaker 4: easily taken away by the straight cis male audience who

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Speaker 4: grant it. Of course, Madonna and Ginger Lynn are also

694
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Speaker 4: both skinny, white women, which grants them certain societal privileges. However,

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Speaker 4: the new nineteen eighties brand of women who are empowered

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Speaker 4: both sexually and financially terrifies a lot of straight men.

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Speaker 1: It was just this moment of freedom to know that

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Speaker 1: sexually I was going to be able to do anything

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Speaker 1: that I wanted, and it was okay.

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Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty four is a landmark for Gingerlyn Allen. She

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Speaker 4: wins big at the inaugural X Rated Critics Organization Awards

702
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Speaker 4: for her first Vivid video releases, an award show partially

703
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Speaker 4: funded by Stephen Hurst's father Fred. The first ever Adult

704
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Speaker 4: Video News Awards or AVNS, are also held in nineteen

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Speaker 4: eighty four. Award shows promote the adult industry, build out

706
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 4: Porn Valley's reputation as the other Hollywood, and provide a

707
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 4: way for people in the porn biz to internally acknowledge

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Speaker 4: the artistic value of their work.

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Speaker 1: The industry definitely felt like a family.

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Speaker 12: Back then.

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Speaker 1: There were fifty people in the entire industry, and that

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00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: included the cast and the crew. It was a wonderful

713
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: relationship that developed between the cast members, the crew members, everybody.

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Speaker 4: In a black dress with yellow polka dots that she

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Speaker 4: got from a Sears department store at the mall. Gingerlyn

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Speaker 4: Allen collect her X Rated Critic Organization Awards trophies for

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Speaker 4: Starlet of the Year, Video Vixen, and Best Female Performer

718
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Speaker 4: Vivid Videos. Contract Girl Gambit has paid off.

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Speaker 1: I did what a lot of women do in the

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Speaker 1: adult industry. You live right here, Right Now Today.

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Speaker 4: By nineteen eighty five, ginger Lynn Allen is the biggest

722
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Speaker 4: porn star and Vivid Video is the hottest porn studio.

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Speaker 4: In the span of twenty seven months, She's made sixty

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Speaker 4: nine adult films, such as Poonies, a porn parody of Goonies.

725
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 4: She stars in New Wave Hookers, about cool girls who

726
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 4: get horny when new wave music is played. New Wave

727
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 4: Hookers pioneers what becomes known as alternative or alt porn.

728
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 4: As the first Vivid Video contract girl, ginger Lynn is

729
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 4: the cover star of sixteen titles, top sellers like Club

730
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Speaker 4: Ginger and Ginger Sex Asylum. By nineteen eighty six, Gingerlyn

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Speaker 4: is making nearly one hundred and thirty thousand dollars a

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Speaker 4: year off her films and promotional work. She knows that

733
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Speaker 4: her current success comes with no guarantees of financial longevity,

734
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Speaker 4: but she wants to enjoy it while it lasts. The

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Speaker 4: girl whose first award show dress came from Sears can

736
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 4: now afford to drop cash on designer clothes at Beverly

737
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Speaker 4: Hills boutiques and buy herself a brand new Porsche. She

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Speaker 4: splashes out on a luxurious European vacation. She also starts

739
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Speaker 4: doing a lot of cocaine, as does her boss, Stephen Hirsch.

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Speaker 1: We didn't cocain the hotel rooms. We didn't cocin the limos.

741
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Speaker 2: My life is out of control. Some of it was alcohol,

742
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Speaker 2: some of it was drugs.

743
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Speaker 5: Now was that.

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Speaker 4: Having ascended in the ranks of poor into the pinnacles

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Speaker 4: so quickly, Gingerlynn has a new dream making it in

746
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: mainstream movies. Hollywood is sometimes the final gauntlet for porn stars.

747
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 4: The curtain dividing porn from Hollywood is much thinner than

748
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 4: people think. Some filmed fantasies play in big, fancy movie

749
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Speaker 4: theaters and multiplexes, while others play on smaller screens at home.

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Speaker 4: There's something erotic about filmmaking, whatever the genre, because it's

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00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 4: voyeuristic in porn. The church like eroticism of the film

752
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 4: going experience, the darkened theater and communal hush while you

753
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 4: hope to be astonished is made literal with images designed

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00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 4: to sexually arouse you. Once it was a secretive theater,

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00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: now it's a private browsing tab. Even if Hollywood snubs

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00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 4: the supposedly less classy porn industry in public, there is

757
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 4: plenty of private socializing between folks from the valley and

758
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Speaker 4: the other side of the hill. There's a quickly established

759
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 4: path from porn to mainstream film, primarily into low budget

760
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 4: B movies in genres like horror and sci fi as

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Speaker 4: sex worker characters. Mainstream folks, particularly auter director types, but

762
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 4: also everyone in comedy, privately love the adult film business.

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00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 4: The idea of casting a porn star in a mainstream

764
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 4: project to see if they can really act interests everyone,

765
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 4: so in nineteen eighty six, ginger Lin Allen leaves adult

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Speaker 4: films to try and parley her underground fame into a

767
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 4: Hollywood acting career. She gets cast in her first mainstream project,

768
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 4: a B movie titled Doctor Alien, where she plays a

769
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 4: rock and roll chick. She's then in another B movie

770
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 4: called Cleo Leo with another porn star turned mainstream actress

771
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 4: named Veronica Hart. Veronica Hart is a redheaded adult film

772
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: star who had a difficult child custody trial because of

773
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 4: her job and inspired the Amber Waves character in Boogie Knights.

774
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 4: Hart plays the judge in Amber Wave's hearing. Compared to

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00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 4: the movie star treatment, movie star paycheck, and lead build

776
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 4: roles that ginger Lynn got in porn. Mainstream films are

777
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: a big financial step down. Now she also has to

778
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 4: audition for parts and hardly ever books. Her mainstream efforts

779
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 4: range from schlock like Vice Academy, a police Academy ripoff,

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00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 4: to Ken Russell's sex work art house movie Whore. Even

781
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 4: with the rise of the vivid video girl, porn is

782
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 4: still mostly backroom stuff. To obtain porn to watch at home,

783
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 4: you still have to buy it at an adult bookstore,

784
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 4: rent it from the other new business spawned by the

785
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 4: VHS revolution video stores, where the X rated stuff is

786
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Speaker 4: kept in a curtained off adults only section. Ginger Lynn

787
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Speaker 4: Allen ends up in a very unique situation. She is

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Speaker 4: one of the most famous women on Earth, her films

789
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 4: among the most watched, but not everyone wants to publicly

790
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 4: admit that they know who she is or why. In

791
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety, she plays a hooker named Dove in Young

792
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 4: Guns two and meets star Emilio Estevez's brother Charlie Sheen,

793
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 4: who opted out of being In the sequel, Ginger Lynn

794
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 4: gets into a romantic relationship with Charlie Sheen, and for

795
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Speaker 4: even more on that, please listen to my other podcast,

796
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: Heidi World the Heidi Fly story.

797
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Speaker 1: Charlie is the only man I ever really loved. People

798
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: thought who I was was detrimental to his career.

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Speaker 19: Ginger is, in my opinion, one of the finest people

800
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Speaker 19: I've ever known. She has a powerful sense of integrity,

801
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 19: a strong internally defined morality, and is at times generous

802
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 19: to a fault. Charlie Sheen actor.

803
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Speaker 4: Charlie Sheen and Amelio Savez come from an acting dynasty

804
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 4: through their father, Martin Sheen. They grew up in Malibu

805
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 4: with other second generation showbiz kids whose parents left the

806
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 4: Method acting studios of New York to work in la

807
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 4: in the burgeoning television industry. The Sheen parents are Hollywood leftists,

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00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 4: and their kids have friends like Sean Penn, whose father

809
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 4: Leo Penn, was blacklisted for refusing to name names of

810
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 4: purported Communists to the House on American Activities Committee. Charlie

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Speaker 4: Sheen encourages Ginger linn Allen's acting ambitions. He makes her

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00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 4: feel like she can and will be part of mainstream Hollywood.

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00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 4: Charlie Sheen became a major movie star with the box

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Speaker 4: office hat trick of Wall Street Young Guns in Major League,

815
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Speaker 4: but by the early nineties he's had some big flops

816
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 4: and he's plagued by addiction issues. Charlie Sheen and Ginger

817
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 4: Lynn are allegedly doing a lot of drugs together.

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Speaker 1: It was almost like he was the male version of

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Speaker 1: me and I was the female version of him.

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Speaker 4: Ginger lenn Allen dates Charlie Sheen through his first major

821
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Speaker 4: stint at rehab and stands by her man during his

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Speaker 4: involvement with the Heidiflies trial. Then he dumps her. She

823
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,959
Speaker 4: is heartbroken. She allegedly shakes it off with a six

824
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Speaker 4: month long fling with George Clooney after guest starring in

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Speaker 4: an episode of soap opera Sunset Beat, until she finds

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Speaker 4: out Clooney is still married to Talia Balsam.

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Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: give George an eleven for performance, and as far as equipment,

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Speaker 1: I give him a twelve.

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Speaker 4: Ginger finds new personal fulfillment in mainstream acting. In nineteen

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Speaker 4: ninety three, she hits a high in her Hollywood career

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Speaker 4: playing a topless dancer named Monique on one of the

833
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Speaker 4: most popular shows on TV, NYPD Blue. Her episode Tempest

834
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Speaker 4: in a Cea Cup wins an Emmy Award for Best

835
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Speaker 4: Drama Direction against stiff competition from three other episodes of

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Speaker 4: NYPD Blue and the pilot of Lois and Clark The

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Speaker 4: New Adventures of Superman. By the nineteen nineties, Ginger Lynn

838
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Speaker 4: Allen is enough of a household name that she is

839
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Speaker 4: allegedly called in to audition for Martin Scorsese's Casino. Naturally,

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Speaker 4: she auditions for the role of Ginger, which ends up

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00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 4: going to Sharon Stone. According to some sources, Ginger was

842
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 4: Scorsese's top pick and Sharon Stone was the studios I

843
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 4: know that it's impossible to imagine anyone other than Sharon

844
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Speaker 4: Stone in the role of Ginger. I dare you to

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Speaker 4: look up the real Ginger McKenna and see how much

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00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 4: she looks like Sharon Stone. Ginger Lynn Allen has a

847
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 4: vulnerable softness to her that would have changed the character

848
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Speaker 4: of Ginger into something very different. Sharon Stone's portrayal of

849
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Speaker 4: Ginger McKenna is so remarkable because it is so hard

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00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 4: edged and kinetic, like flipping a shiny coin. That Martin

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00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 4: Scorsese allegedly brought Ginger Lynn Allen into audition for Casino

852
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 4: means he probably saw her movies and thought she had

853
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 4: a kind of genuine star quality, which means Martin Scorsese

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Speaker 4: agrees with me that pornography is real cinema. End of podcasts,

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Speaker 4: Just kidding Transition.

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Speaker 8: Vivid changed forever the way adult material is marketed there.

857
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 8: The trendset is they tend to copy mainstream entertainment, mainstream

858
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Speaker 8: business principles, mainstream graphic arts and advertising principles. Then a

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Speaker 8: lot of people in the adult business copy them. Christian Man,

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Speaker 8: general manager Evil Angel.

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Speaker 4: After Gingerlyn Allen leave Vivid in nineteen eighty six to

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Speaker 4: pursue her mainstream acting dreams, Stephen Hirsch moves on to

863
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 4: manufacturing his next Vivid video starlet. While ginger Lynn Allen

864
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Speaker 4: came into Vivid with her own established style and some

865
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Speaker 4: film credits already under her belt, Hirsch uses his new

866
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 4: power to do a creepy thing that guys with power

867
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 4: in the film industry love to do. He wants to

868
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 4: mold a new actress into his own personal sexual ideal.

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Speaker 4: The classic example is Alfred Hitchcock and Grace Kelly, followed

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00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 4: by a succession of icy blonde actresses. Hirsh's first Vivid

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00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 4: girl creation after Ginger Lynn is Jamie Summers. Stephen Hirsch

872
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 4: sets his sights on an eighteen year old brunette from

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Speaker 4: La named Denise Stafford, who goes platinum blonde and takes

874
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Speaker 4: the stage name Jamie Summers after TV's The Bionic Woman

875
00:58:55,600 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 4: to become a Vivid Girl. Jamie Summers is another each

876
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 4: blonde bombshell designed to fill the spot evacuated by Ginger Lind.

877
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 4: With her teased blonde hair and hot pink lips, she

878
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Speaker 4: resembles Darryl Hannah in Splash. Jamie Summers is also conveniently

879
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 4: dating Stephen Hirsch. He casts her as a spoiled Beverly

880
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 4: Hills yuppie bitch in her own starring franchise called The Brat.

881
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 20: I hope you like it. It's about me The Brat.

882
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 20: I take astrology classes, I do aerobics, I eat sushi,

883
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 20: and I'm so busy I hardly have time to satisfy

884
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 20: my horny husband. Jamie Summers. Vivid Girl.

885
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 4: Jamie Summers and the next few Vivid Girls afterwards all

886
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 4: follow the template set by gingerln Allen. Short and blonde

887
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 4: with a suburban girl next door look. He hires actresses

888
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 4: like Nikki charm A four foot eleven California beach Blonde

889
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 4: and Barbara Dare aforementioned five foot two blonde Jewish lesbian

890
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 4: from New Jersey. Vivid video puts out Jamie Loves Jeff,

891
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 4: directed by Paul Thomas. Paul Thomas is a nineteen seventies

892
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 4: Golden age porn performer who moves into directing in the eighties.

893
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 4: A six foot two aires of Greek and Russian Jewish descent.

894
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 4: Born Philip Charles Tubis in Winnetka, Illinois, he attended the

895
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 4: University of Wisconsin on a basketball scholarship and majored in

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Speaker 4: political science. Like a lot of original porn guys, Paul

897
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 4: Thomas was aiming for mainstream success at first, and he

898
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Speaker 4: even tasted a little bit. Paul Thomas was a New

899
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 4: York stage actor who was in the New York productions

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Speaker 4: of Hair and Jesus Christ Superstar. He even played the

901
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 4: apostle Peter in the nineteen seventy three film version of

902
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ Superstar. He moved to California and signed with

903
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 4: the William Morris Agency. He was auditioning fruitlessly for tea

904
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Speaker 4: shows when he was scouted into porn. Paul Thomas, known

905
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 4: as Pet in the adult industry, stars in Golden Age

906
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 4: porn films like One of a Kind about an enchanted

907
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 4: accordion whose music makes everyone so horny they have to fuck.

908
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 4: He even makes use of his musical theater skills when

909
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 4: he composes and performs a song called If Wishes Were

910
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 4: Horses for a Bob Chin movie called Fantasy World. In

911
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty two, Paul Thomas is caught smuggling cocaine into

912
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Speaker 4: the US from South America and serves a year in prison.

913
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Speaker 4: After his release from jail, he returns to porn, this

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Speaker 4: time behind the camera, directing.

915
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Speaker 12: I don't define myself as anything Jeff Striker, performer.

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Speaker 4: In addition to Vivid Girls, there are Vivid Boys. Vivid

917
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 4: Video puts out gay porn movies like What the Big

918
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 4: Boys Eat. Gay porn is a parallel lane to the

919
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 4: straight porn industry that occasionally intersects. Directors routinely crossover between

920
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 4: gay and straight porn, and wood men sometimes work in both.

921
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 4: Some male performers do what's known as gay for pay,

922
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,919
Speaker 4: where they take a paycheck to have sex with men

923
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 4: on screen, but do not identify sexually as gay or

924
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 4: fluid in their personal lives. In nineteen eighty seven, Paul

925
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 4: Thomas direct Jamie Loves Jeff for Vivid, where Jamie Summers

926
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 4: has sex with one of gay pornography's biggest stars, a

927
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Speaker 4: guy named Jeff Striker.

928
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Speaker 12: Someone had labeled me a quote straight actor and gay

929
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 12: porn but universal, I think is the only word I

930
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 12: could actually use to describe my sexuality. I think humans

931
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 12: are humans. I could be sitting next to God knows

932
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 12: what and get turned on. Now.

933
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Speaker 15: I think Jeff is great. I'm a big fan of

934
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 15: Jeff Striker. I think he's the carry granted porna and

935
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 15: in person he looks great, he looks real. He has

936
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 15: a great car, like a muscle car. I mean he's perfect.

937
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 15: I think he's the perfect porno star. He does gain

938
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 15: straight too, He's all purpose. John Waters director.

939
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Speaker 4: Jeff Striker is born Charles Casper Payton in Carme, Illinois,

940
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 4: in August of nineteen sixty two. A leo, he's raised

941
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 4: in Springfield, Illinois, and gets sent to military school at

942
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 4: age thirteen, and when he gets back home, he learns

943
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 4: his parents are divorcing. He works as a balloon, telegram

944
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 4: delivery man and a stripper until a friend sends photos

945
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 4: of him to a gay porn director named John Travis,

946
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 4: who scouts him into porn. Jeff Striker's gay porn career

947
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 4: takes off in movies like Power tool On and Striker Force.

948
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 4: Jamie Loves Jeff becomes one of Vivid Video's biggest selling

949
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 4: titles yet.

950
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 21: Jamie and Jeff used to be the hottest couple in

951
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 21: high school until she dumped him for dorky lawyer Tom,

952
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 21: and Jeff ended up marrying Megan five years later. At

953
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 21: the high school reunion, the former lovers fall in love

954
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 21: all over again, while their respective spouse's embark on a

955
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 21: little grudge fund of their own. Vodkatonic adult DVD talk.

956
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 12: I handpick all the actors I work with. Porn stars

957
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 12: myself included, only have so much life. If you pour

958
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 12: it out in a year, you get burned out. If

959
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 12: you could afford to carefully do a movie a year,

960
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 12: then that's looking for a career. As long as I

961
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Speaker 12: look good in front of the camera. When I start

962
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Speaker 12: looking bad, I'll be the first to get off screen.

963
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Speaker 4: Nudity in films has been protected since nineteen sixty nine,

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01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 4: when the Stanley Versus Georgia rulings said people were free

965
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Speaker 4: to watch whatever they wanted in the privacy of their

966
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 4: own homes. This led to everything from new Hollywood films

967
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 4: to the full legalization of pornography, all protected under the

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Speaker 4: First Amendment. Conservatives were pissed, and in response, Congress fund

969
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 4: did the President's Commission on Obscenity in Pornography. Set up

970
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 4: by LBJ and carried out by Richard Nixon. The nineteen

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Speaker 4: sixty nine President's Commission on Obscenity in Pornography found that

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Speaker 4: there is quote no evidence that exposure to explicit sexual

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Speaker 4: materials adversely affects character or moral attitudes regarding sex and

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Speaker 4: sexual conduct end quote. President Nixon and Congress rejected the findings,

975
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 4: which did not fit with their anti porn fear mongering

976
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Speaker 4: and the puritanical attitudes towards sex in America. In nineteen seventy,

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Speaker 4: a writer and publisher named Earl Kemp, who writes pulp

978
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 4: fiction paperbacks, sci fi and gay erotica, puts out an

979
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Speaker 4: illustrated version of the President's Commission on Obscenity in Pornography

980
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 4: and gets charged with his co publisher, William Hamling, with

981
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Speaker 4: conspiracy to distribute obscene material. Kemp serves a federal minimum

982
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Speaker 4: of three years in one day. In the nineteen eighties,

983
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Speaker 4: federal backlash against making and distributing images of sexual intercourse

984
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 4: returns via President Ronald Reagan. Despite its profitability, pornographers are

985
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 4: always under threat of getting busted and brought in on

986
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 4: obscenity or pandering aka pimping charges. Porn is mainly shot

987
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 4: in private houses in the north end of the valley

988
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 4: rather than local sound stages because of the constant legal threat.

989
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 4: Mainstream sound stages aren't interested in renting to porn folks.

990
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 4: Due to the legal gray area and constant threat of

991
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 4: getting busted.

992
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Speaker 1: We were like outlaws at the time because it was

993
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: illegal to shoot.

994
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 4: The porn industry operates in a clandestine legal space throughout

995
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 4: the seventies and early eighties, even as it becomes big business.

996
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 4: Pornos are shot run and gun style, both because they're

997
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 4: low budget and because they needed to shoot quickly without

998
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 4: attracting at ten tih from neighbors. I had a friend

999
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 4: whose family lived near a pornhouse in the hills of Encino,

1000
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 4: and you could tell whenever they were shooting there because

1001
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 4: the windows would be blacked out with curtains in nineteen

1002
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 4: eighty six, the Reagan administration puts out the final report

1003
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Speaker 4: of the Attorney General's Commission on Pornography from a task

1004
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 4: force called the Me's Commission. It is known as the

1005
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 4: Me's Report. The Mes Report claims a direct connection between

1006
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 4: porn and an abstract American moral decay, with no actual

1007
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 4: evidence to back up its fearmongering claims. The Mes Report

1008
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 4: also suggests legal loopholes that can be used by conservatives

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Speaker 4: to sue pornography studios. The idea is to bankrupt pornographic

1010
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 4: film companies through drawn out court battles. In nineteen eighty seven,

1011
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 4: one such case goes to the Supreme Court. The state

1012
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 4: of California tries to charge adult producer and director Harold

1013
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 4: Freeman with pimp hal Freeman is a nineteen seventies porn

1014
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 4: film crew worker who becomes the director of titles like

1015
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 4: Radio k Com Love on the Hershey Highway, one in

1016
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 4: two and My Favorite nineteen eighty three is California Valley Girls,

1017
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 4: about two lesbians who recruit valley girls into a prostitution ring.

1018
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 4: In the late eighties, Hal Freeman is producing his hit

1019
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 4: Caught from Behind series when the State of California decides

1020
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 4: to make him a sacrificial lamb to try charging pornographers

1021
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 4: with pandering, the legal term for pimping, rather than the

1022
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 4: usual obscenity charges they occasionally level at them. Hal Freeman

1023
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Speaker 4: is hit with five pandering counts under California Penal Code

1024
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Speaker 4: Section two sixty six I. He appeals and says porn

1025
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Speaker 4: isn't pimping, it is filmmaking. It's art. The women he

1026
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:56,560
Speaker 4: hires to have sex on film aren't prostitutes, they're actresses.

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Speaker 4: The actors are paid for their performances in the movie,

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01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 4: not for doing the sex acts. They are playing characters

1029
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 4: who are having sex in the scene.

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Speaker 22: Defendant Freeman is the president of Hollywood Video Production Company,

1031
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 22: which is in the business of producing and marketing adult films.

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Speaker 22: In September nineteen eighty three, Defendant produced and directed a

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Speaker 22: film called Caught from Behind Part two. Defendant hired actors

1034
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Speaker 22: and actresses to perform in the film. As part of

1035
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 22: their roles, the performers engaged in various sexually explicit acts,

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Speaker 22: including sexual intercourse, oral copulation, and sodomy. People versus Freeman.

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Speaker 4: All the participants in Caught from Behind two had been

1038
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 4: sent to hell Freeman by superagent Jim South through a

1039
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 4: World modeling agency, except for Nancy Conger, the woman whose

1040
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 4: private house they were renting for the shoot. Conger asked

1041
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 4: if she could be in the movie too, and soon

1042
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 4: enough she was signing a release form. The court tries

1043
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 4: to find someone being exploited during the making of Caught

1044
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 4: from Behind Part two, but all they find is a

1045
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 4: film crew capturing a group of pro performers and one

1046
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 4: amateur engaging in lawful sodomy. Sodomy had been a felony

1047
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Speaker 4: crime in America until nineteen sixty two. Anti anal sex

1048
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 4: laws were homophobic, but they were actually originally created as

1049
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:29,440
Speaker 4: a way to prosecute heterosexual non procreative sex, including blowjops.

1050
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 4: Even married couples could be charged for having anal sex.

1051
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Speaker 4: In nineteen sixty five, New York was the first state

1052
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Speaker 4: to reduce sodomy down to a misdemeanor and excuse married couples.

1053
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Speaker 4: Hal Freeman is convicted in California on all five counts

1054
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Speaker 4: of pandering. He appeals his case to the California Supreme Court,

1055
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Speaker 4: who overturned the conviction. The state of California then takes

1056
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Speaker 4: the case to the U. S. Supreme Court hoping to

1057
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Speaker 4: get a conviction for Freemen there.

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Speaker 23: I recognize that the state has a strong interest in

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Speaker 23: controlling prostitution within its jurisdiction, and at some point it

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Speaker 23: must certainly be true that otherwise illegal conduct is not

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Speaker 23: made legal by being filmed. Sandra Day O'Connor, Supreme Court Justice.

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court Judge Sandra Day O'Connor, of whom I am

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Speaker 4: normally know. Fandra day O'Connor did agree that the state

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Speaker 4: of California had no case against hal Freemen.

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Speaker 12: The U. S.

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court agreed with the California Supreme Court, which characterized

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Speaker 4: the pandering charges as an attempted quote and run around

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Speaker 4: the First Amendment and state obscenity laws. Despite landmark rulings

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Speaker 4: like this one, the First Amendment battles between pornographic filmmakers

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Speaker 4: and the American government rage on throughout the eighties. But

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Speaker 4: there's no stopping the porn industry behemoth, at least for now,

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Speaker 4: and so the Valley's porn studios continue to churn out

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Speaker 4: new films and mint new starlets like Ginger Lynn Allen.

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Speaker 4: This will be the porn Valley that welcomes Jenna Jamison.

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Speaker 16: Well, we're very approachable. If I were out and about

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Speaker 16: and I saw Madonna, I wouldn't even know what to say.

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Speaker 16: But if I saw Ginger Lynn, I'd be like, oh

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Speaker 16: my god, I have this boyfriend and he's been doing

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Speaker 16: crazy things to me in bed, and I don't know

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Speaker 16: what to say to him. I would feel open enough

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Speaker 16: with her to talk like she was my sister. It's

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Speaker 16: great because women are much freer when it comes to

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Speaker 16: their sexuality. In turn, that's helping men because they've got

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Speaker 16: these women who are trying to swing from chandeliers. Jenna Jamison.

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Speaker 4: Next time on jenal World, Episode four, The Valley Goes Gonzo.

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Speaker 4: Jamie Gillis invents gonzo porn with his on the Prowl series,

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Speaker 4: which takes off as the new hottest trend in Foreign Valley.

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Speaker 4: Jenna Jamison steps into the industry and makes her debut,

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Speaker 4: kicking off an illustrious career that will see her surpass

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Speaker 4: even Ginger Lynn Allen to become the biggest porn star

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Speaker 4: of all time. All this and more next time on

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Speaker 4: Jenna World. Jenna World is an iHeartRadio production executive produced

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Speaker 4: by Anna Hostier and Becca Ramos supervising, produced by Bei Wang,

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Speaker 4: produced by Victor Wright, script editing by Jonathan Mills, engineered

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Speaker 4: by Graham Gibson, and edited by Rory Gagan. Today's episode

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Speaker 4: of General World featured Yasi Solik as Ginger Lynn Allen,

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Speaker 4: Noah Garfinkel as Stephen Hirsch, Dave Horwitz as Paul Fishbeine,

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Speaker 4: Andrea Moore as Marcy Hirsch, Carvell Wallace as Andy Warhol,

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Speaker 4: Gwanadora as Viva, Victor Wright as Bud Lee, Will Sennett

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Speaker 4: as John C. Holmes, Christopher Chang as Bob Chin, Nick

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Speaker 4: Ciarelli as William Margold, Grant Crater as Jim South, Fay

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Speaker 4: Wang as Shirley, Dave McNamee as Jerry Butler, Jamie Minnellis

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Speaker 4: as Veronica Hart, joey Izzo as Bill Asher, Bridger Winneger

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Speaker 4: as David James, Jason Stewart as Charlie Sheen, Kayden Mark

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Speaker 4: Gardner as Christian Mann, Seth McCann as Jamie Summers, Ira

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Speaker 4: Madison the Third as Jeff Striker, Miles Clee as John Waters,

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Speaker 4: Lauren Gold as Vod Katonic, Alex Papadimus as People Versus

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Speaker 4: Freeman Lawyer Elena Smith as Sandra Day O'Connor and Laurenceer

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Speaker 4: video as Jenna Jamison

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