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Get started now sign up. 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: Please use the promo code Colin so they know we 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: sent you. Please use the promo code Collins c O 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: l I in FanDuel Sports Book App. Sign Up. Hi, everybody, 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Thursday Morning Podcast. One of my favorite writers, 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: Sam Farmer, has been covering the NFL for thirty years. 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: He covers the league as a whole, but the La 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: Rams are his primary team of choice. He'll have a 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: million stories, really clever, really funny guy. You know, I 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: was thinking about the John Madden stuff and years ago 19 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: I was a minor league baseball announcer and this is 20 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: the kind of story I can't really tell on any 21 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: other platform than this. So I got a job out 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: of college as a minor league baseball announcer, a Triple 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: A job with the Las Vegas Stars, and I had 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: to sell for about seventy five percent of the year, 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: and then for about twenty five percent of my job 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: was broadcasting a one inning a game. And it was 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: worth it because I was going from college broadcasting into 28 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Triple A baseball, which was one step away from Major 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: League baseball, and that was my dream when I was 30 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: like twenty two years old. I wanted to be the 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: voice of the Seattle Mariners because I grew up in 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest, as many of you know. And so 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: the first year with the team, I just did sales 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: and they gave me one or two innings all year, 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: less than half a dozen innings all years. Second year 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: I got more innings because I was doing really well 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: in sales. And I almost that first year gave up 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: the broadcasting dream because I thought nobody believes in me. 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: And then finally a guy named Don Logan was convincing 40 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: enough to the guy who owned the team, Larry Kentop. 41 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: Give this kid, he's a good salesman, give him some 42 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: innings and I did, and I worked really hard, and 43 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't great, but I was good enough to get 44 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: noticed and the rest is history. Local TV station hired 45 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: me KVBC Channel three, and you know, again a series 46 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: of breaks, blah blah blah. You don't want to hear 47 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: about my career. But during the time I was a 48 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: triple A baseball announcer, I was like the number two 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: guy or the number three guy. Right. They gave me 50 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: like three road trips that one year, and I never forget. 51 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: One of them was Phoenix and the manager, who was 52 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: a guy named Wendell Kim, nice guy, and I went 53 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: into the clubhouse because I wanted to do some pregame stuff, 54 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: and on the wall of the clubhouse he had like 55 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: twenty five rules, and I remember thinking, who could remember 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 1: all these rules? And it just all these years later, 57 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: it's thirty years later, I remember it and I'm like, 58 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: that's too many rules. And when I became a parent, 59 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: one of the things I quickly realized is that if 60 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: you tell your kids when they're young more than two things, 61 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: if you give them three, they'll forget all of them. 62 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: So you have to say, like put your plate away 63 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: after dinner and brush your teeth. You can only go 64 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: too if you go to a third and say eat 65 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: your vegetables, put your plate away, and brush your teeth, 66 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: they get discombobulated and forget all of them. You can 67 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: give your kids two assignments, brush your teeth and put 68 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: your pajamazon and that's it. You go to a third, 69 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: it wipes everything out. Simplicity is the key. And I 70 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: always loved John Madden because he had three rules. Show 71 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: up on time, listen when you're here, and play hard 72 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: on Sunday. And I remember Pete Carroll telling me this 73 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: one time when he was at USC. He said, you know, 74 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: the fewer rules and the less you make guys think, 75 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: the faster they get. You don't want guys thinking on 76 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: a football field too much. Maybe your center, maybe your quarterback, audibling, 77 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: but you want your best athletes reacting instinctively, pursuing, chasing, catching, running, avoiding, tackling. 78 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the things about Madden 79 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: that always impressed me is that there's a brilliance in simplicity. 80 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: And I go back to that minor league clubhouse where 81 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: somebody had twenty rules in the clubhouse, and I remember 82 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: staring at it and thinking, even if you were somebody 83 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: who liked rules, wouldn't you have the self awareness to 84 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: acknowledge nobody could remember twenty rules, you're paralyzing players. Madden 85 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: had a saying, the fewer rules you have, the fewer 86 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: rules you can break. And my wife always says this. 87 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: She has one rule in marriage, and Anne is my wife. 88 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: Her one rule is don't go where you shouldn't go, 89 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: and don't do what you shouldn't do, and that's it. 90 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: So strip clubs, I have checked those off. No strip 91 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: clubs for daddy, Not that I was ever hanging at them, 92 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: but I always thought, what a simple rule. Don't go 93 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: where you shouldn't go. As a husband, don't do you 94 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: shouldn't do. Wraps it all in a nice, memorable little package. 95 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: All right, Let's bring in Sam Farmer, who for years 96 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: and years before I lived in Los Angeles. I read 97 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: Sam and he's incredibly well connected and is active because 98 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: he's always posting pictures hiking around Pasadena and that's why 99 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,119 Speaker 1: I look so young, and he keeps his mind fresh. 100 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: So I only interviewed Madden one time. And I'm from 101 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: a very dark, bleak, gray place in America called Gray's 102 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: Harbor County on the coast of Washington, and he coached 103 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: at Gray's Harbor the Chokers. That was their name, not 104 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: because they lost leads in games. It was a wrestling term, 105 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: choking out chokers. And I asked him about it once 106 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: in my one interview, and he had a steel trap 107 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: for a memory. He could remember anything. Do you remember 108 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: the first time you either met John Madden. I'm sure 109 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: there were several times, and what your impression was of 110 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: him in person, not on TV. Trying to think of 111 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: our first meeting, because I would have seen him at raid. 112 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: I was a Raiders beat writer from ninety five to 113 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: two thousand, so I would have seen him at practice. 114 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: You know. Probably my first extended period one on one 115 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: with John was the first season of Sunday Night Football 116 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: in two thousand five or six. I was in the 117 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: booth with John and Al and sat with him in 118 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: Carolina for a whole game. I almost walking in front 119 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: of the camera once coming out of a time out 120 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: ahead of a commercial, and you know, I kind of 121 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: feel the way, you know, I thinking about my son 122 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: meeting him for the first time. My son, who was 123 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: a young boy, played a lot of Madden. He didn't 124 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: even realize he was a real person. He thought he 125 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: was a virtual creation or a hologram. I saw John 126 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: and I said, will you go say hello to Thomas, 127 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: my son. He tapped him on the shoulder and Thomas 128 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: turned around and his jaw just dropped. I'm trying to 129 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: think of what my first impressions of John were. I 130 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: guess just that he was such an approachable, regular guy, 131 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: and that's what I wrote about today. He really made 132 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: an effort to I'm probably not putting it the right way, 133 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: but put himself on your level and not put himself 134 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: above you and make you feel like you were at 135 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: the feet of John Madden or at the feet of 136 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: this NFL icon. He tried to relate to you and 137 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: said relatable things. I remember him telling me one time 138 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: I was with John and Virginia, his wife, and Virginia 139 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: was kind of haranguing him a little bit, and you know, 140 00:08:55,559 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: I was just gently nudging him about his hat bit 141 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: of feeding the dogs the freshly cut Delhi meat out 142 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,119 Speaker 1: of the fridge, and I just felt that's so relatable 143 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: because I've gotten my wife has gotten pissed at me 144 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: about that about you know, wait, we spent it's salty. 145 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: It's not good for the dogs. We spent a lot 146 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: of money, you know, buying this stuff. So I'm not 147 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: really not giving you a good answer here, because I 148 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: do feel like this sort of collage of memories of 149 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: John and which really picked up in the last couple 150 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: of years, mostly texting back and forth, and that happened 151 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: probably oh once or twice a month for the last 152 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: two years that we've sort of gotten to text exchanges 153 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: about various players. But I don't know that I can 154 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: put my finger on exactly how I felt the first 155 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: time I met him. Eric Shanks, my boss at Fox CEO, 156 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: he called him to the very and he said, Eric said, 157 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, he taught me about TV a lot. John 158 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: was a good idea guy. Eric said. He was very 159 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: observational about stuff, very observational. Incredibly Yeah, I mean that's 160 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: that was sort of the thing I mean talking to 161 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: and Eric obviously was his assistant for a long time, 162 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: at least Sandy Montagg his agent also this assistant. Yes, 163 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: John had these It was very seinfeld Ian, if that's 164 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: a word. I mean his ability to I and I 165 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: talked about a couple of those things today. How you know, 166 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: Vinny Raw, who was a production assistant in on Monday 167 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: Night Football, they were a production meeting in Philadelphia and 168 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: they sent out Vinny Raw to get sandwiches, and he 169 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: brought back twenty of these anemic, pathetic looking cheese steaks. 170 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: And the whole thing was like, how could you find 171 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: a bad cheese steak in Philadelphia? But he did it, 172 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: and he brought back twenty of them. And John immediately 173 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: turned to Fred Goodelli and said, don't ever send a 174 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: skinny guy out for food, because skinny guys don't appreciate food. 175 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: They don't know about food. And the other thing I 176 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: was talking to Troy Aman this was it just so 177 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: happened that this was a couple of weeks ago. We 178 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: were talking and we were laughing about John. One of 179 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: the things that always struck me about John was he said, 180 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, fat guys will tie their shoes on the 181 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: outside of the knot on the outside of their foot 182 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: because they can't reach down and center the knot. And 183 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: so the heavier you get, the more you're not, your 184 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: bow not migrates out to the side of your foot. 185 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: And Troy said, that is so funny. You'd say that 186 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: because we were in a production meeting and John, you know, 187 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: has his spyglass hat on, and he's kind of hunkered down. 188 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: He looks down a lot, and the production meeting was 189 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: a lot of Troy and John. I've been in one 190 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: of these things asking the questions. And Bob Stenner, who 191 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: was a producer John's producer for a long time, mentioned 192 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: that and that human observation, and Troy said, I, out 193 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: of my side of my eye, I look over at 194 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: John and I noticed that his shoes are tied on 195 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: the outside of receipt, he said, John. John is looking 196 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: down looking at his feet as Bob Stenner is saying this, 197 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: and then kind of looks up and he and Troy 198 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: meat eyes and then Troy just busts up, he said. 199 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: He said, John, you could tell just hoovered up that observation. 200 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: And then John used it all the time and he 201 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: talked about it. So he was a collector two of 202 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: those things. He would make incredible observations about people and 203 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: ask these questions. I remember it that Monday night game 204 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: him going around. It was a Packers playing the Panthers, 205 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: and John had gone down to the field and his 206 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: mission was his self appointed mission was to find out 207 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: what different players had on their iPods that they were 208 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: listening to. And that's just sort of like the weird 209 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: quirkiness of John and the things that he liked. I'll 210 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: tell I gotta tell you one of the really cool 211 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: things that I've ever done that the Monday night football 212 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: thing was cool. But in two thousand and nine, I 213 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: think it was eight or nine, I went up to 214 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: Pleasanton as part of a direct TV thing. Yeah, I 215 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: got to be a fly on the wall. Had dinner 216 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: with six quarterback dads and some of the guys had 217 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: two kids in the league, so it was like Archie 218 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: Manning obviously, two guys two quarterbacks in the league, Matthew 219 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: Stafford's dad, Drew Brees's dad, Don hass Beck, Bill Palmer, 220 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: Carson Palmer's dad. Anyway, great group of dads and I 221 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: got to be the fly on the wall. And John 222 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: sent us to a steakhouse in Pleasanton that night and 223 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: we just sat around and I just absorbed everything in 224 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: this conversation of these dads talking. And then in the morning, 225 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: John brought the Madden Cruiser around and picked us up 226 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: at our hotel and took us to his studio, which 227 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: is like a big airplane hanger. I don't know if 228 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: you were into that, but and then had setups for 229 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: us lazy boys, for each of us with John sort 230 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: of had like kind of a wooden throne in the 231 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: middle of these things, and it was a giant if 232 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: you could imagine. I called it in the story to 233 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: Duckingham Palace because it was like this huge movie screen, 234 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: cinematic movie screen, surrounded by smaller like sixty inch TVs. 235 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: And then he add a DJ there and John would 236 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: just say, put the Raiders on screen one. He had 237 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: a chart like a little menu, laminated menu. He'd say 238 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: screen one, Raiders and the guy would switch it over. 239 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: And anytime the operative was never a commercial, which I 240 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: always thought was funny because he made it such a 241 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: fortune on being a pitchman, but he never wanted to 242 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: watch a commercial. But just watching with these quarterback dads, 243 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: these guys who wouldn't ordinarily, it wouldn't ordinarily do anything 244 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: but watch the kid on Sunday. They would never leave 245 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: the house, they wouldn't have friends around or whatever, but 246 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: just to be in the presence of John Madden and 247 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: to be with each other watching their kids play and 248 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: rooting their kids on and in this particular weekend, strangely, 249 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: nobody was playing each other. I did this another year 250 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: when Archie was playing, when Peyton was playing Doug Smith 251 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: Alex Smith, so he had Doug Smith and Archie sitting 252 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: next to each other, and the kids are playing each other. 253 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: But anyway, it was just so cool and to be 254 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: around John and his enthusiasm for football. And I'm rambling here, 255 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: but I just I feel sort of flooded with memories. Hey, 256 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: it's Colin. For FanDuel, each win means even more in 257 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: the college football playoffs. 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In Michigan, Tennessee, redline 280 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: is one hundred and eighty nine sevent eighty nine, or 281 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: go to one one hundred gab dot in West Virginia 282 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: or called one eight hundred next step or text next 283 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: step to five three, three four two. Arizona You've been 284 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: covering this league for how many years? Almost thirty? Yeah, 285 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: the you know, we talked about this. I talked about 286 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: this with my friend Nick Wright, who's a TV host, 287 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: and I said, you know, years ago in the seventies, 288 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: there was a feeling that the nation was split. Baseball 289 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: and the NFL were pretty tight. Back in the seventies. 290 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: The NBA was kind of pre David Stern, a bit 291 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: of a mess. So we were a NFL and Major 292 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: League Baseball country and then and Madden certainly has influenced 293 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: the video game being crucial. The NFL has been on 294 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: about a thirty to thirty five year run when they 295 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: have simply been better run, a better television product, more nimble, 296 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: able to pivot quickly and adapt to make a better 297 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: TV product. Sam, when you came into this league thirty 298 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 1: years ago, the lead. Now, I say this, the NFL 299 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: is the sun and everything else is just rotating around 300 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: its galaxy. Your first year in the league, I think 301 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: in the late seventies we were as much in a 302 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: baseball nation as an NFL nation. And if I said 303 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: to you, Sam, give me a couple of reasons why 304 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: the NFL has distanced itself. You could say gambling, but 305 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: that's only recently the Supreme Court came down legalizing gambling. 306 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: Where would you give the credit? Who or where would 307 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: you hand the credit too? I look at free agency, 308 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: for one thing, and the building of these teams that 309 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: happened in ninety three, and the interest. But I think 310 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: fantasy football. I think you know all those reasons why 311 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: LA went without a team for so long and was 312 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: satisfied with that that it became a perfect TV game. 313 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: I think fantasy football the obsession with that. I think 314 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: the Madden Game interestingly changed the league because initially in 315 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: the Madden Game, the idea was to make it look 316 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: as close to football as possible, even those rudimentary figures 317 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: in the early Madden Game. But in the mid nineteen 318 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: nineties it flipped. The paradigm flipped, and it became the 319 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: NFL chasing the Madden Game. How do we make football 320 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: look more like the Madden Game? And I think that 321 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: was a lot more of the skycam angles, the cable cam, 322 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: all those things, and how do we make it more 323 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: TV friendly and just make it the ultimate stay at 324 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: home game. I think I think the fact that you 325 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: have the build up, unlike baseball you can miss games 326 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: in baseball and still be a big fan football, you 327 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: have one game week. There's such build up and hype 328 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: around that. And the NFL has made good decisions all 329 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: along to promote the product, whether it's and a lot 330 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: of that has been in the Gadell era, but whether 331 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: that's moving to the draft to primetime and two primetime 332 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: nights of the draft, creating this hype in the off season. 333 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: Even now, you know, amid all this COVID stuff that 334 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about, the league in the background is working 335 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: on promoting the Saturday game in Week eighteen and creating 336 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: two Saturday games that head into the playoffs. I realized 337 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: that I'm getting a little off topic here, but it 338 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: sort of indicates the nature of what they've done to 339 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: constantly hype up the league. Right now, they're trying to 340 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: select a couple of Saturday games to play in the 341 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: final week of the season. That wouldn't that are teams 342 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: fighting for their lives that would get normally lost in 343 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: the one PM window. So can the league promote a 344 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: you know, a Raiders Chargers when the teams are the 345 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: eight and nine seeds or whatever, and teams fighting for 346 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: their lives and it's just sort of the ethos of 347 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: the league is just excellent promotion of the NFL. So's 348 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: that's a big reason. I realized that's sort of drifting 349 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 1: off off topic. But I think that if I were 350 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: to look at it, I'd say free agency, creation of 351 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: NFL network, the Thursday night games, even though you know 352 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: they haven't always worked out, always pushing the envelope of 353 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: how can we don't want to be satisfied with the 354 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: status quo, how can we continue to push this and 355 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: promote the NFL. Yeah, football, As somebody once told me, 356 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: the NFL has always viewed itself as an underdog, even 357 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: when it's been for the last thirty years the king. 358 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: It's Michael Jordan's ability to create villains that didn't really exist, 359 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: doubters and critics that didn't exist. Baseball, as it's fallen behind, 360 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: still views itself royally as the national passion. That's a 361 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: great point. And you know one of the tenets of 362 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell's and is that one of the biggest challenges 363 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: of success because the league has success with something and 364 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: then people say let's continue doing this, they're not continuing 365 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: to push forward. So success is among the NFL's biggest 366 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: challenges like one of the things that drives him crazy. 367 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: And I spent some time with him this summer and 368 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: he said, you know when I when somebody comes back 369 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: to me and said, Okay, what are we doing on 370 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: April or you know, August eight? And he said, it 371 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: drives him crazy when somebody says, okay, what do we 372 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: do last year on August eighth? And that that whole 373 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: idea that let's do the same thing that's worked before 374 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: really bothers him. And I give him a lot of 375 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: credit for pushing the league forward. A few years ago 376 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: I said this on the air. Newspapers needed baseball, and 377 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: baseball needed newspapers. I always feel baseball as a newspaper 378 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: sport and the NFL is a television sport and doesn't 379 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: really need newspapers as much. And I say that talking 380 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: to Sam Farmer, But it is so driven by what 381 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: we view on television, and sometimes they think the media 382 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: tends to be they don't do it as much anymore. 383 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: That they were a little hard. They were apologetic for 384 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: baseball stubbornness with rule changes. I mean, for god's sake's 385 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: little league Baseball figured out the replay before Major League Baseball. 386 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: They were sometimes almost apologetic for Baseball's missteps and stubbornness, 387 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: and much harsher on Roger Goodell because I do think 388 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: being a governor, a president, or a commissioner in this 389 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: social media world, it's just a tunnel of hate. Nobody 390 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: likes anybody, especially people in power. But I do view 391 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: Goodell as a really bright guy, and I do think 392 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: he has a little bit considering his dad was a 393 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: power I think, a powerful politician, and he's been, you know, 394 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: a very successful person. I do feel Roger, I've had 395 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: dinner with him twice, has a very relatable personality. Both 396 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 1: times I sat down with him, he peppered me with 397 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: questions and I like him. I like I like being 398 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: around Roger Goodell. I find him to be David Stern 399 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: was abrasive if you were around him at times he was. 400 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: There was a lot to David. Roger Goodell could easily 401 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: disappear with eight nine people and just be a guy. 402 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: That's my experience with Roger. You yeah, I agree, And 403 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: I also think that being that lightning rod is one 404 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: of the reasons he makes so much money. I think 405 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: the owners like to have someone who is the lightning 406 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: rod and does take some of the heat off the 407 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: individual owners. And I'm not, you know, saying I agree 408 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: with every decision Roger Getell's made, but I do like him, 409 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: and I think he's done a good job with the 410 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: league and this sort of unwieldy, well, unwieldy job. I mean, 411 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: it's it's really difficult to make some of these calls, 412 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: and the league's had its more than share of missteps 413 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: and everything. But yeah, in terms of a guy, very relatable, 414 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: normal when you get past the veneer, this is the commissioner. 415 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: All right, let's start. And I did something on the air, 416 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: and I said, let's go back and revisit the trade. 417 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: So the Rams, knowing they are a good team they 418 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: will draft later in rounds, gave up two firsts and 419 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: a third for Matt Stafford, now knowing that Stafford would 420 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 1: be at least competent to slightly better than Golf. They 421 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: knew they were going to have a bottom eight ten 422 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: pick first round and then they probably less sneed thought, well, 423 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: the second year, first round, we're going to be even better. 424 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: So that's another bad first round pick and then a 425 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: third round pick. So I understood, I talked to less 426 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: about this. He's like, listen, we don't draft high. And 427 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: so the reality is I've been told this for years, Sam, 428 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: after about the fifteenth pick in the first round, from 429 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: about the sixteenth pick to the first pick in the 430 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: third round, it's all second round guys. You're just paying 431 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: first round money. So I looked at the trade today 432 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: and I thought, Okay, what they really gave up our 433 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: two second round level talents and a third round talent 434 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: and Matt Stafford as of today, if he has two 435 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: touchdown passes in the next two day games, will double 436 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: Goff's touchdown pass total from last year and give you 437 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: four times as many what we would call huge Sundays, 438 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: three touchdown games. And I said, this morning, they stole him. 439 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: This is the first year. This is without Cam Anchors 440 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: and Robert Woods for a chunk. And as I looked 441 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: in retrospect, he had that choppy three or four game 442 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: run with pick sixes. But this morning when they made 443 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: the move, Sam the Rams, you don't make a move 444 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: if you think you're losing it. But the potential for 445 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: them to win this trade is fairly striking to me, 446 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: considering Golf had twenty touchdown passes Stafford Today's at thirty six. 447 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: Your takeaway on that it's been better than they thought, 448 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: but they wouldn't say it publicly because it would be 449 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: negative toward Golf. Yeah, I don't know that they That's 450 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: an interesting concept that they wouldn't say that publicly because 451 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: they wouldn't want to hurt Golf's feelings. But I agree 452 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: with you. I think now those pick sixes, three pick 453 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: sixes and two picks in each of those games, it's 454 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: a little bit fuddling, I will say, but he has 455 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: definitely changed the tenor, bless you, the tenor of this organization. 456 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: And I get what less need. What his philosophy is 457 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: the fact they haven't had a first round pick since 458 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: Golf twenty sixteen. They've traded all their first round picks 459 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: to twenty four And I agree with that philosophy that 460 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: if you can get a quality starter, particularly a quarterback, 461 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: and I did look at Matthew Stafford as an elite 462 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: arm even though he's never won a playoff game, he's 463 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: never had a running game in Detroit, seldom had a defense, 464 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: and he has infused this team with a chance. And 465 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: I just don't know that if you look back and 466 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: look at the picks they gave up for Jalen Ramsey 467 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: and look at the players that Jacksonville selected with those picks. 468 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: You wouldn't recognize the players. I don't have to go 469 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: back and look them up who those players were. But 470 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: there's nobody who's a I think fans get it in 471 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: their mind, and people get in their mind when they 472 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: think first round pick, they think hall of Fame type 473 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: player or even starter for sure. And there are so 474 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: many first round picks that go awry and so many 475 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: lower round picks that really work out that I think 476 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: it's more valuable to take an established player who's going 477 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: to change the trajectory of your organization, like Matthew Stafford has, 478 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: where he can come in and actually win games for you, 479 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: not not lose games, but come in and win games. 480 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: A prime example would be the Arizona game and you 481 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: find out two hours before kickoff that you don't have 482 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, you don't have Tyler Higbee, you've already lost. 483 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: You're starting running back and you're starting right tackle. And 484 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: you come in there the team that's already beaten you. 485 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: Once you're in their place and you beat them, you 486 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: halt a three game, losing streak, and you beat them 487 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: when the season could have been going off the rails, 488 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: and that's Matthew Stafford's a huge part of that. I 489 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: had a conversation earlier this week with Andrew Whitworth, and 490 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: I asked him about, you know, those three interceptions in 491 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: this last game, and it was not obviously Matthew Stafford's 492 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: best game, but you know, he talked about each interception 493 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: sort of in depth and how each one has its 494 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: own story, and but he talked about the leadership of 495 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: this guy and the enthusiasm, excitement, belief that he is 496 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: infused in the team, and it's pretty compelling. So I 497 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: think I think that the Rams, you know, who knows 498 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: what happened with Detroit. They're such a young team anyway, 499 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: So whether you say the Rams won this pick or 500 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: I think the Rams have no regrets about Matthew Stafford, 501 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: let's put it that way. You know, it's interesting to 502 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: pivot off that about first round picks. I've been highly 503 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: critical of Pete Carroll. If you go look at his 504 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: New England run. The team got worse, the Jets was 505 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: fired Seattle, he was in big trouble seven to nine, 506 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: seven and nine had just traded and given Matt Flynn 507 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: ten million a year. If Russell Wilson isn't available in 508 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: that pick, Pete gets fired for a third time. He 509 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: obviously was an enormous success at SC but left the 510 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: program in turmoil. And I've talked to multiple players about this. 511 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: His meetings are fantastic. His optimism and energy is the roof, 512 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: but there's a growing sense as he's gotten older that 513 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: some of his beliefs are a bit outdated. He has 514 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: had When Paul Allen died, he was given immeasurable power 515 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: within the organization. Paul Allen's sister is not a sports fan, 516 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: and Paul kind of kept his thumb on Pete in 517 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: the organization, and that's no longer the case. He is. 518 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: They have whiffed as an organization on multiple first round picks. 519 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: I mean, even recently, Rashad Penny is not nearly as 520 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: good as a healthy Chris Carson, who was a seventh 521 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: round pick. LJ. Collier's third on the depth chart. And 522 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if Pete convinces me that he can 523 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: turn it around, it's can he convince Russell Wilson? And 524 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: I wonder Sam, you know, Pete pretty well McVeigh, Stafford, Shanahan, Kingsbury, Kyler. 525 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: That division is very offensive leaning, as is the sport 526 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: every day vision leader in the NFC is a offensive 527 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: coach even some. Mike McCarthy that we have questions of 528 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: deep down with Pete Psyche. The other day he said 529 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: we're not in a rebuild, and I thought he's too 530 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: smart to believe that. How do you view Seattle and 531 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: Pete currently there, Well, obviously he's really struggling. We're seeing 532 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: some things that, you know, walking out of the press conference, 533 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: uncharacteristic things of Pete. I remember going up there in 534 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. I spent a week with Pete. Gave me 535 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: an office next to his so I could sort of 536 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: observe that the organization how it was, which was a 537 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: fascinating look at both Pete and how an organization runs. 538 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: Got to go to all the meetings or any that 539 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to raid the cafeteria, which I did several 540 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: times a day, and it was a really interesting. But 541 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: Pete had that Svengali effect, I mean, and everybody the 542 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: buy in was very high, and they had incredible success 543 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: up there with Pete. Uh, you know, I'm not of 544 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: the mind that it h you know, people become bad coaches. 545 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: I think that he knows how to coach. I think 546 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 1: he's a I think he's a still a very good coach. 547 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: But I agree with you, and I like the personnel department. 548 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: I like Scott Fitterer and what he was able to 549 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,479 Speaker 1: do there and then parlayed that into the jam job 550 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: in Carolina. Um and some of the players they found. 551 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: You look at that that draft where they were getting 552 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: Richard Sherman late in the draft and they had a 553 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: number it was a twenty twelve or twenty eleven draft. 554 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: They had this incredible um testament to the to the 555 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: scouting department. But I agree a lot of their first 556 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: round picks have flamed out, and it really feels like 557 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is done there, and you know, and it 558 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: does feel like a rebuild. I mean, I don't know 559 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: how you define rebuild. I think you've got it. You know, 560 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: it's a sad state of affairs right now. When you 561 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,479 Speaker 1: live in Seattle. They don't do anything well. I mean, Sam, 562 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: they don't do anything well. You can do superficial, you know, 563 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: total defense, total offense, you can deep dive to third 564 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: down conversion rates. You can go deep surface level. They 565 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 1: don't do anything well. Like me, there's nothing they do well, 566 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: and it's it's funny. A friend who has connected to 567 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, who I know a little bit, had said 568 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 1: this is that he and his agent, Mark Rogers, there's 569 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: been a feeling since Russell came off the injury. They're 570 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: just looking to the end of the season. And it's interesting. 571 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if Russell has the stomach for and 572 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: I think he does because he's so aspirational draw a 573 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: line in the sand, me or Pete, But I don't 574 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: know if there's equal value for an Aaron Rodgers or 575 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: equal value for Russell. I mean, good God, the Lions 576 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: got two first and a third for Stafford, and it 577 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: already looks like the Lions didn't get nearly enough. And 578 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: that was a losing quarterback who's never won a playoff game. 579 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: So it's I don't know, to your point, I think 580 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: it feels like it feels like a line in the 581 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: sand season. Do you see the same not the way 582 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: this at Russell's feet, but do you see the same 583 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: sort of college enthusiasm that we always saw in Russell 584 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: Wilson's heyday now in him, I just wonder if he's 585 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: level off as a player. And I mean, do you 586 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: think Russell is the same type of player that we've 587 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: seen all alone. My argument to a friend two nights ago, 588 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 1: who's a huge Seak fan, I said Locke to Gadget, 589 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: guys should be a three Metcalf thinks he's a one, 590 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: but he's a two. He doesn't run routes. They need 591 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: an elite, high end wide receiver they are now using. 592 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: It's like a pitching staff. Their ace is DK he's 593 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: not and Locket's there too, and he's not. And you know, 594 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 1: they tried to solve the offensive line with Gabe Jackson, 595 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: who doesn't have much left. And I think they're pretty 596 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,760 Speaker 1: weak in a couple of their interior old line spots. 597 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: I think they're weaker than people think. Freddie Swain doesn't 598 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: meet people down the field. I think they're a weaker 599 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: at wide receiver. I think in terms of running back, 600 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: it's DJ Dallas, it's Rashad Penny, who's never healthy. I 601 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: just don't think they have spectacular players. Jamal Adams again, 602 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm not giving up two first, a third and as 603 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: safety for a box safety. So I think what happens. 604 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: They've missed on a lot of draft pick sam and 605 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 1: they've gotten desperate in trades to solve those. As Pete 606 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: has aged, he doesn't want to rebuild it. And that's 607 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: just what it feels like to me. It's felt the 608 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: last two years like a house of cards with big 609 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: swings due to draft whiffs. Yeah, and it seems like 610 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: they've cobbled together a line for a long time, tried 611 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: to cobble together some type of offensive line, whether that 612 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: be miss Batman, miss draft picks, lineman that they thought 613 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: they were going to work out that they took early 614 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: in the draft, or you know, success sort of turning 615 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: defensive lineman into offensive linemen. They could make do with that, 616 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: but that's caught up with them now. And I think 617 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: the offensive line obviously is a problem. Are you surprised? 618 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: I'll throw this league wide question at you? So Haroon 619 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: Rodgers does a weekly hit with Pat McAfee on YouTube, 620 00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: and his latest venture I thought was funny he brought 621 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: up again, you know, maybe I'll retire, And I thought 622 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: it's almost as if Aaron is going to create his 623 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: own media company. It's almost trumpy and he's trying to 624 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: create these news headlines on a weekly basis. I can't 625 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: imagine on this is the second time he's brought up retirement, 626 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: as he's an MVP level quarterback, and I don't quite 627 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: know what to make of it. Bill Simmons and I 628 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: had this discussion about a month and a half ago, 629 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: and Bill said, when you get older and you're rich 630 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: and you don't have any kids and you're never married, 631 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time in your own head 632 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: and you can get strange. And I thought that may 633 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: not be wrong. I find Aaron to be complex and fascinating, 634 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: but yet, Sam, I still feel that he'll be a 635 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: packer because I don't think he wants the blowback of 636 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: moving and potentially failing. Do you have a strong conviction 637 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 1: on Aaron going forward? Well, I would have said before 638 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: the season, my conviction was he wasn't going to be 639 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 1: a packer. I've always sort of thought that he would 640 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: wind up in Denver with George Peyton and why. I 641 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: just thought that was a good situation for him. I 642 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: thought that that George, coming from the Vikings, has a 643 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: lot of respect for They obviously need a quarterback for 644 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: what Aaron Rodgers can do. I thought it was a 645 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: They've built the receivers there in Denver. If they can 646 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: get a quarterback, I think they can turn the key 647 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: on that offense. Yeah, and and I just thought that 648 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: was one of the places where he was most likely 649 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: to land. Obviously I was wrong. He stayed in Green 650 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: Bay and and maybe it will be increasingly difficult to 651 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: leave Green Bay and he may never do that. But 652 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: that's just always been in my head thinking, I wonder 653 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: if he's if he's going to wind up in Denver. 654 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: You talk about that, you know, I wonder if a 655 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: guy like that even thinks about the money. But Pat 656 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: McAfee's contract has to make a lot of guys think, 657 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: you know, he's on that show, and once he get 658 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: thirty million a year, that's that's food for thought for anyone. 659 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: But he's he is a complex guy, and he's always 660 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: been that way, Aaron, and so you know, Yeah, but 661 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: if I were to say he's not gonna if he's 662 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: not playing in Green Bay, I put him in Denver. 663 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: But that's just me. That's a gut feeling I have. 664 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna put you on the spot, um 665 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos are probably moving off Vic Fangio. It's the 666 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: reality there's gonna be new ownership. Um. The offense has 667 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,280 Speaker 1: really stalled into the division with Derek Carr, Jeffin Herbert, 668 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, and the league is moving clearly toward aiding 669 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: fence at every turn. Denver's gonna have an opening, Chicago 670 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: is going to have an opening, Las Vegas is going 671 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: to have an opening, Jacksonville is going to have an opening. 672 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: I think Denver is the best of those openings, despite 673 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,760 Speaker 1: not having a quarterback. If I said, in your opinion, 674 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: Sam Farmer, rank those four openings, Jags, Raiders, Bears, Broncos, boy, 675 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: I'd have to put the Jags at the at the bottom. Yeah. 676 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: Culturally yeah, and the Bears great historic organization, but I'd 677 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: probably put them third, maybe Raiders second, and Broncos first. 678 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,319 Speaker 1: I still I think that's a very I think that's 679 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: a good organization, and despite the sort of uncertainty of 680 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: the ownership, you know what's going to happen with ownership there, 681 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: I think it's a good job and I like that 682 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: GM a lot. You know, it's interesting. I actually think 683 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 1: the Raiders between Colton Miller at left Tackle, Derek Carr, Waller, Hunter, 684 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: renfro and Jacobs. I'm like they've got five really nice 685 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 1: offensive pieces. I don't think the Raiders is a bad 686 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: job now. Mark Davis is one of the more peculiar owners, 687 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: probably the poorest, and the division is tough. But I think, 688 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, do you have any leans on where the 689 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,800 Speaker 1: Raiders would go? I do think Denver has a chance 690 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: to not only get Aaron Rodgers, but to get the 691 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 1: best candidate. Now that could be is it Matt Eberflus, 692 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: It could be Josh McDaniel. No, they wouldn't go that again, 693 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 1: whether it's Eric b Enemy, I do think I feel 694 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: Denver has separated. I don't think the Raiders is a 695 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: bad job. That's my takeaway. How is it viewed in 696 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 1: the league? Yeah, I think it's it's a little better 697 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: job than it has been. And yes, you do have 698 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,399 Speaker 1: a quarterback or if if he's your guy has played 699 00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: really well these last couple of years, generally not being 700 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: considered a great place to go work. But I think 701 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: Mark is a different guy than Al and I think 702 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: the personnel you mentioned there, and you know Max Crosby too, 703 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: I mean they've got some they've got some good players 704 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: and an insighting environment, you know, and they're getting a 705 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Yeah, i'd put them. I'd put them second 706 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,399 Speaker 1: on that list and so and they've had some sort 707 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:39,839 Speaker 1: of unusual choices as head coaches. But yeah, oh yeah, yeah, 708 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: i'd put them second. I mean, I really have to 709 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: look at it, think about the question a little bit. 710 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: All right, one final question. It's an LA question. So 711 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 1: I've said this before. When Pete Carroll was at USC, 712 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: there were no NFL teams in Los Angeles. Now there's 713 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 1: two in a brand new, stunning stadium. There was no 714 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: laf See. The Clippers were unwatchable and the Dodgers were okay. Also, 715 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,319 Speaker 1: the Silicon Valley wealth has exploded and people now, more 716 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: people have second homes, more people are distracted economically, more 717 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: people have options. Is that I don't know if USC 718 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 1: football can ever feel huge in Los Angeles? Again? Am 719 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:33,839 Speaker 1: I being a cynic? How do you view it? It's 720 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: hard to imagine ever being as huge as it was 721 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: under Peat Carroll with no NFL tea because it was 722 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: clearly the NFL franchise in LA for all those years. Obviously, 723 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 1: there's excitement with Lincoln Riley and what can he bring back. 724 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: But I do think you are now in the shadow, 725 00:46:53,880 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: especially Soapy Stadium versus the Coliseum. You're now in the 726 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: shadow of the NFL, particularly the shadow cast by the Rams, 727 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: who are ascending in popularity. And you know, it's still 728 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: got a huge se as a huge fan base, and 729 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: so I think it could be very big again and 730 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: a nostalgic program, But I don't know it'll ever be 731 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: as big as when it was filling the vacuum for 732 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: an NFL team or two NFL teams. So I think 733 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: it can be big. I think it could be exciting 734 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,840 Speaker 1: and people will be excited about see football if it 735 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,839 Speaker 1: does well. But that's a big one era when there 736 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 1: wasn't an NFL team here and they filled that void. 737 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: Sam Farmer, La Times and a podcast nearer. You been 738 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 1: here a long time? Have you always lived in Pasadena 739 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: that area? No, we moved around. My dadd was at IBM, 740 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 1: so we lived in Maryland, Colorado, northern California. I went 741 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,320 Speaker 1: to Occidental and then worked in Seattle for five years 742 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,839 Speaker 1: and San Jose for five years, and then came back 743 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,760 Speaker 1: down to LA in two thousand. So I moved around 744 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,120 Speaker 1: quite a bit, but I love La. I feel like 745 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 1: an La guy. So do I I do. I don't 746 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,240 Speaker 1: know why, I don't know, but I love the Pacific 747 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:33,360 Speaker 1: Northwest as do you. I do. It's um, I'm over damp, 748 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm over it mid fifty Sam, I'm over soggy. But 749 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:46,720 Speaker 1: I will say the summers Pike Place Market, Bainbridge Island. Oh, 750 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 1: it is just it's really special. There's it's the south 751 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: of France. It's seventy nine degrees eighty two degrees. It's 752 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: the water everywhere, boats everywhere. It's light till ten o'clock 753 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,920 Speaker 1: at night or nine thirty at night. That's great in 754 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,839 Speaker 1: the summer. But I agree with you. I mean, if 755 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,879 Speaker 1: I could live there three months a year, you can. 756 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:12,200 Speaker 1: I can't. I'm in newspapers. Great scene you, Sam, Yeah, 757 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 1: a great seeing you're calling. Thanks. Don't forget the Volume Sports. 758 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: Go to the YouTube channel at the Volume Sports little 759 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:26,280 Speaker 1: button on the right subscribe always appreciate that. Plus Instagram 760 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 1: at the Volume Sports Twitter to talk soon. Thanks the 761 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: Volume