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Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about this after hammering them

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Speaker 1: in ten years as revenue sharing and everything grows double.

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Speaker 1: So if, like the if the going rate for a

426
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Speaker 1: job at a top twenty program right now is seven

427
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty eight hundred grand who's to say that

428
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: number won't be one and a half million dollars Because

429
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: that's what we pay for coordinators And if this guy's running,

430
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: you're recruiting when you factor in the money and in

431
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: some of these programs, And Josh Pate was on my

432
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: program I saw on my program on my podcast on

433
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: here talking about it probably a month plus ago. He's like,

434
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: a huge shift that's going to take place is these

435
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 1: gms are going to become the power brokers and they're

436
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: going to help lead the coaching searches in the future.

437
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 1: And I've always hated the word networking. I've always thought

438
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: it was like a kind of hollow. It feels very

439
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 1: political feels very fake, like you just get to know

440
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: someone in a fake way. The older I get though,

441
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: it's extremely important professionally to get places through connecting. I

442
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: like that word more connecting. But as my wife says,

443
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: like your network is your net worth, and in her

444
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: real estate business, it's very, very true. And honestly, the

445
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: reason she's at this luxury real estate brokerage now is

446
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: because of someone that I followed on Instagram and he

447
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: followed me, and he was he is one of the

448
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: top producers in the state of Arizona. He's an absolute

449
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: he crushes it and he was a pretty legendary college

450
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: athlete and he's a big football guy. And we've DMed

451
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: over the years and one day I just them my head.

452
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: Would you go to lunch with Maria? Just pick her brain?

453
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: She was like kind of looking to transition, kind of

454
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: level up, And that's how it all started. And you

455
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: guys listening that are in sales, that are in any

456
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: different sort of industry, meeting people, having coffee, having lunch,

457
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: starting business relationships, not knowing where they're going to lead

458
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: is the lifeblood for most of us. I mean, hell,

459
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: you're listening to me through Colin coward, so at least

460
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: a lot of you. And without that relationship, who knows

461
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Speaker 1: where I would be at now. I think I'd be

462
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Speaker 1: doing okay, but I probably wouldn't be here. I'm not

463
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: arrogant or egotistical enough to act like that. So your

464
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: connections in life change where you go. I mean, look

465
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: at the sport of football. How many guys get fired

466
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: who are down and out. They get taken care of

467
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: by their GM buddies or their coaching buddies. And one

468
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Speaker 1: piece of advice I would give to any guy on

469
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Speaker 1: the road, and this could be a successful guy. This

470
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Speaker 1: could be a guy that a team is you know,

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Speaker 1: their SEC scout, and they're paying them three hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Or this could be a guy that just broke in

473
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Speaker 1: that's making eighty thousand dollars. And all these guys are

474
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Speaker 1: working during the season, ninety hour weeks. It is a grind.

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Speaker 1: This college football personnel thing is only going to grow.

476
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Speaker 1: And the money there, based on some of these buyouts,

477
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: is they approach it with much more of a cavalier

478
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Speaker 1: attitude than some of these NFL teams. Because I know

479
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Speaker 1: a lot of people that have worked in scouting for

480
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Speaker 1: a long time and have won Super Bowls that have

481
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: to fight for like ten thousand dollars raiss. Yet in

482
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: college football you see the money getting thrown around. It's wild.

483
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: And every time that I went into a school, especially

484
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: a bigger program. Obviously, when you're dealing with the head coach,

485
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: you're on your best behavior and you go above and beyond,

486
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: like that's of course, But when you're dealing with these coordinators,

487
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: these are relationships. Like it wasn't that long ago that

488
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: Clark Lee or Mike Elko were defensive coordinators, right. Dan

489
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: Lanning not that long ago was the defensive coordinator for

490
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Speaker 1: Kirby Smart. Once upon a time, Lincoln Riley was Bob

491
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: Stoop's offensive coordinator. Things change, and they change really fast. Hell,

492
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Speaker 1: two of the highest paid coaches in the country, Sark

493
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: and Lane were offensive coordinators for Nick Saban. Ryan Day

494
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: not that long ago was Urban Meyer's offensive coordinator. So

495
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: these guys become head coaches and they need personnel people

496
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: and college now, Like, if I needed a personnel guy,

497
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: I would definitely be talking to these NFL guys because

498
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: a huge part of personnel now is the transfer portal,

499
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: which essentially is like a hybrid of college scouting and

500
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Speaker 1: free agency. It's what these guys have been trained to do.

501
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: You go, John, what about the high school recruiting, Well,

502
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: you have such a big staff, you could hire someone

503
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: to help you with that initially, And let's face it,

504
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: most of the way these guys talk is like that

505
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: is kind of secondary, not saying that you don't need

506
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: to know that, and that still isn't important, but that

507
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: is something you can get up to speed on. And

508
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: eventually these gms are going to run point on all

509
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: this no different than less Need or Howie Roseman, you know,

510
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: or John Schneider running their personnel meetings. That's inevitable and

511
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: that empowers the coach to have more time. But I

512
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of these people, and I know this

513
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: when I got to the NFL, I'm like, I'm so

514
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: glad to be out of college football that the personnel

515
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: stuff won There aren't even jobs. And two it's like

516
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: you just get to a point you're capped, you have

517
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: a ceiling. Well it's changed because it is hard to

518
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Speaker 1: move up in the NFL. And I know a couple

519
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: of people that obviously I know some gms, but I

520
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: also know like number twos and the lots out of

521
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: their control. Right. You hope to get interviews, and then

522
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: even once you get interviews, you never know they might

523
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Speaker 1: hire someone else. I saw Adam Peters for years get

524
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: interviews and then hire other people. It took him a

525
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: long time, and he'd had Super Bowls with like multiple

526
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: different organizations. He couldn't have been any more qualified to

527
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: be a GM. So it's not like coaching. It's way

528
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: easier to move up in the coaching rinks. In personnel,

529
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: sometimes you can kind of get capped and you can

530
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: feel stuck. And the amount of money they're throwing around.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jim Naggy at Oklahoma, I think his three

532
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: year contract is like eight hundred and nine hundred million.

533
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: I might be off on the stagger of that, but

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Speaker 1: it is like a three year contract worth two and

535
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: a half million dollars. That's twenty twenty five, when these

536
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: positions literally just got started a handful of years ago.

537
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, how one thing I've started doing for the

538
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: podcast is like following some of the top gms on Instagram,

539
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: and I look, they don't even have that many followers.

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00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: They're kind of like under the radar. I'm like, start

541
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: dming with them. I'm like, they're actually pretty easy to

542
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: get in contact with. I get a lot of people

543
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: that ask me for advice how do I get involved

544
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: in football? Well, if you're at a college somewhere and

545
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: you want to work in football, there's never been an

546
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: easier time ever to get into the personnel world in college.

547
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: But some of these scouts, and it can be a

548
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: bitter group. In fairness, totally understand why you work your

549
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: ass off. You don't make that much money relative to

550
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: the coaches. It's not just a six month a year gig.

551
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: You're working ten months a year. You're away from your

552
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: family all the time. You can become a GM in

553
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: college much easier than you can become a GM in

554
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: the NFL. And in some of these places that pay

555
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: seven figures to live in towns where you could buy

556
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: a mansion for a million dollars. And here's the other thing,

557
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: you don't think you then become more desirable of the NFL,

558
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: especially if you know how to work with the coaching staff.

559
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: You're working with the head coach, I'm sure on staffing

560
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: you are running a budget to buy players who are

561
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys you're at a good enough

562
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: program are going to go on to the NFL. You're

563
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: probably the point liaison for all the GM's assistant scouting

564
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: directors that come through your program. It's just a fascinating

565
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: world that is in the very beginning, it was like

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Speaker 1: anyone that's podcast over the last five ten years, if

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00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: you've got into the business of podcasting. For example, I've

568
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: been podcasting for almost probably eight and a half years,

569
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: and it feels like I've been doing this for a

570
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: long time, and like we're pretty far into it. Like this,

571
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: we're so new into the landscape of this industry. It's

572
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: not even funny because if you think about it, our

573
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: competition is radio. The more and more I can keep

574
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: stealing money away from radio as they bleed dry, right

575
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: as they get less and less listeners, as younger people

576
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: no longer consume them, as every generation now has a

577
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: car that connects to the phone, they're fucked. But we're

578
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: still another decade and another two decades. It's not like

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Speaker 1: they're just going away tomorrow. So it takes time and

580
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: we'll look back in thirty years it's like, oh, okay,

581
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: wiped him dead. But it takes a little time, and

582
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: it's no different than any new industry doesn't happen overnight.

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00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: And I just think this is an area that a

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00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: lot in the scouting community should be making much more

585
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 1: of an emphasis to get involved that to change their

586
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: financial landscape. Okay, let's do a little thing we like

587
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: to call the Middlecoff mailbag at John Middlecoff at John

588
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those DMS questions answered

589
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: here on this little old podcast. We will start with

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00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: if Ohio State goes back to back or three peats,

591
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: could Ryan Day be a candidate for an NFL team?

592
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: He would clearly be one of the best coaches in college,

593
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: has a good offensive mind, and is a good leader.

594
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: I also feel like Heartline is bound to be a

595
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: head coach and could be a good fit. Love the pot.

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00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: I think Ryan Day, if the Tomlin divorce ever were

597
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: to happen, the Steelers would have to be insane not

598
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: to talk to Ryan Day at this point time he's

599
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: worked in the NFL as well. Was Woodchip with the Eagles?

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00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: Was Woodchip with the forty nine Ers? I mean, Ohio

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00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: State at this point is a NFL program, and as

602
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: a lifelong hater of Ohio State, I actually appreciate it.

603
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they're so good and they're so well run,

604
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: and it's just a it's a high level operation, so

605
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: you can't it's hard to hate when you're that dominant.

606
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: It's like hate and saving at Alabama or Tiger Woods

607
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: or Tom Brady, like they're just kicking everyone's ass. And yeah,

608
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean I think that he is. I mean he

609
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: can turn down interviews. Here's the thing. Ryan day makes

610
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: ten eleven million dollars, and if that number keeps going

611
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Speaker 1: up with other coach like if Lane, someone gives Lane Kiffin,

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Speaker 1: or you know, if Oklahoma were to five venables and

613
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: hire like Josh Heipel, bring him home twelve thirteen, his

614
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: number will He'll get matched him and Kirby will whatever

615
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: the highest number is, they will be paid the highest number.

616
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: And he's the boss, so the best program in the country.

617
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: So it's like it have to be a pretty It

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00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: have to be like when Lafleur took over the Packers, right,

619
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: you have to be the Pittsburgh Steelers, even like the

620
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: New York Giants, who I think would be very interested

621
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Speaker 1: in him. If they fired day Ball, he'd be like, well,

622
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: that place just fires everybody. I mean, do I feel

623
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Speaker 1: comfortable leaving Ohio State to go there now? When you

624
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: make that move, Like if you want to scratch that itch,

625
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: once you've got to. And I'd say the same thing

626
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: about Kirby Smart. Once you've accomplished what you've accomplished, if

627
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Speaker 1: you ever want to come back if it gets weird.

628
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Speaker 1: You're the number one candidate on the market by a mile.

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Speaker 1: So I think he'd have that going for him big time.

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00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: I do think that his name is going to be

631
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: in the mix. I mean if Steve sarkisian. Now I

632
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: know he disputed the report, but like people have been

633
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: interested in him. Their season is not going well right

634
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: they they should have lost to Kentucky if Kentucky scores

635
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: at like the two yard line. They were up down

636
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: seventeen points in Starkfille, Mississippi State. Their schedule, they still

637
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: have to play Georgia. They played Vanderbilt. It's either this

638
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Speaker 1: week or next. They're probably gonna lose that game. They

639
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: still play Georgia, they play Texas, A and M. I mean,

640
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: they got some l's on that schedule. Sark might go

641
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: seven to five this year. You can't be spending thirty

642
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: million dollars for a roster given arch manning eight million dollars,

643
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: giving the highest paid or one of them coaching staff

644
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: right there with like Oregon, Ohio State and probably LSU

645
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: and probably Georgia and go seven to five. It just

646
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: won't be tolerated. So whenever I hear these coaches, they're like,

647
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: we need more time. The money bought the time buddies

648
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: like the reason, like sark is making ten million dollars

649
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: for having straight years. It's like there is no time,

650
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: and if we fire you, we gotta pay you to

651
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: go away. But it's like we gotta be patient. If

652
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 1: I hear one former coach say that one more time,

653
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna puke. Yeah. I would have been patient back

654
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: when we just brown bagged a couple kids twenty twenty k.

655
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: Now we have a twenty eight million dollars roster. Well,

656
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: we gotta pay the roster that again next year and

657
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: the following year and the following year. So yeah, our

658
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: patients is thinned. So seven and five is no longer

659
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: tolerated ever around here with the premiums we're paying. That's

660
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: how the private sector works. When you start investing a

661
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: ton of money. If things do not work heads roll

662
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: right when there's pressure to succeed. This isn't one of

663
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: those like tech companies where it's like, hey, we'll give

664
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: you five years, you don't even need to turn a profit.

665
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: That's not the case in college football. Question for the

666
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: pot big Cardinal fan, I think we're done with Kyler

667
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: Murray and ready to move on. What do you think

668
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: of this and what do you think we should do

669
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position? Draft one in twenty six, roll

670
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: with Jacobe Draft one in twenty seven. Well, the elephant

671
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: in the room with the Cardinals isn't Kyler Murray as

672
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: much as like, are they gonna fire these guys running

673
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: the show? Like does the GM I always screw up

674
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: his name from New England? And Jonathan Gannon? Like, are

675
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: are those guys gonna get fired at the end of

676
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: the year? Is Jonathan Gannon? Does he get fired and

677
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: the GM get to hire a new coach? I think

678
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: that complicates things dramatically. So before I can answer about

679
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, like who's running the show, Because if it's

680
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: brand new people, he's gone for sure. If it's those guys,

681
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: then they're like on a one year situation to try

682
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: to survive. Who knows, I mean he could, maybe he

683
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: does stay. I think this all gets back to though,

684
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: this is a franchise that always loses, and I wish

685
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: they were better. I mean, obviously I live here, but

686
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: are the Cardinals even the most popular team in North

687
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: Scottsdale where I live? I don't think so. Most of

688
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: my neighbors are like Midway fans because that's where they're from. Chicago, Minnesota,

689
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Seattle, Canada. I mean, the Cardinals honestly feel

690
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: like an afterthought in the world that I've lived in

691
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: since being in Arizona now for four years. And I

692
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: think it all gets back to the owner as a clown,

693
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: I mean, a loser, right, and it's his family that

694
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: they just suck and the franchise is going to continue

695
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: to blow as long as he owns the team. If

696
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: you ever sold the team, who knows, maybe it could

697
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: be resurrected. Just wanted to take a minute necessarily thank

698
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: you for being so open about losing your debt. Just

699
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: lost my father the spring. I quit my job to

700
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: spend two months with him, and he only lasted a

701
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: few more. Your words inspired me to take advantage of

702
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: every second that I could I burnt through some savings

703
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: in the process, but I wouldn't trade time with him

704
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: for anything. You know, what you realize when these people

705
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: go off to heaven and they die, is your savings

706
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: account doesn't follow you. Any moment it all could end

707
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: for any of us. So there's a small percentage of people,

708
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: especially the older you get, that you go, yeah, this

709
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: is someone that means a lot to me. This is

710
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: someone that's been in my corner, especially a parent from

711
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: day one, parent brother. As you get older, your wife,

712
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: your children, and obviously your friend's circle. Typically, I would

713
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: for most well adjusted people probably shrinks a little bit

714
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: as you get older. Maybe I'm just projecting, but I

715
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: think it's really important to really value the time you

716
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: have with people, especially as you know you're coming down

717
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: the home stretch. And as Scott Van Pelt once said,

718
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,959
Speaker 1: and something I'll never forget, is you don't truly become

719
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: and I think he heard this from someone else's you

720
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: don't truly become a man until your father dies. And

721
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of truth to that, and

722
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: everything that you do positively after that moment is a

723
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: testament to that. Guy Chargers fan the team occasionally gets

724
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: mocked for having a smaller fan base. As far as

725
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: interactions go with your channel, do you see fewer questions

726
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: from Charger fans? It's hard for me to answer that question.

727
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I get questions from all over the map.

728
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: I think that's a I don't think I could accurately

729
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: tell you based on questions in DMS or comments where

730
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: you guys rank inside of fan base. Part of it

731
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: is like San Diego historically, you know, it's just less

732
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: people live there than some of these major markets, so

733
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna have less fans than Chicago. You haven't been

734
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: good at the highest level in one championships like over

735
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: the years, like the Steelers or the Packers, anytime you're

736
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: a transient franchise rams I mean the Raiders are the

737
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: best example. Like people fall off. Why are the Lakers

738
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: such a big brand? It's like, well, they've been winning

739
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: championships in LA for I don't know, sixty years, right,

740
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: Like why are the forty nine ers a big deal? Well,

741
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: once Joe Montana lead that pass, they never moved and

742
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: since nineteen to eighty one until twenty twenty five, like

743
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: they've been a stalwart in an area. The New York Yankees.

744
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: I don't know they're the New York Yankees. So part

745
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: of the charger is like cit Diego. Now you're in LA.

746
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: It's like Vegas, Oakland, LA. It's like you can't once

747
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: you start moving, you're just gonna lose people. If someone

748
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: ever threatened to be like, yeah, we're gonna move the

749
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles to a different city, there'd be a mutiny,

750
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: Like legitimately, people would die. I'm saying that with a

751
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: straight face, but I would say the same thing about Chicago.

752
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: I'd say the same thing about any of these major teams.

753
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: You're not taking my team. It wouldn't be tolerant. The

754
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: only teams ever get talked about moving would be like

755
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: the Sacramento Kings are gonna get moved to Seattle. Can

756
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: you imagine saying that out loud about like the Knicks

757
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: or the Lakers or the Boston Celtics. So part of

758
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: like being a transient team is there's a little unseriousness

759
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: to you. I mean, there just is question about your

760
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: bald expertise. Do you use a handheld electric shaver or

761
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: do you use a traditional razor to keep the head tidy? Second,

762
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: my fiance and I are planning to relocate from Colorado

763
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: to Scottsdale in the next few months. From someone who

764
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: has lived there for a while, what recommendations would you

765
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: have for specific locations in the city, I, North, South Scottsdale,

766
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: Paradise Valley, et cetera. Uh. I shave with a with

767
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: a mock three or five. I think it's technically the

768
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: mock five now. And I just do it in the shower,

769
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: you know. Obviously, if I'm ever doing something socially like

770
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: a nice dinner party something where it's like you would

771
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: just naturally shave four, that's when I shave my head.

772
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: So I probably do that, you know, two, three, four

773
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: times a week, depending, But I do it in the shower,

774
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: and I do it with that. I don't a mirror

775
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: to do it at this point in time Scottsdale. I

776
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: think it just depends what you want. Like I don't

777
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: know how old you are. If you're younger and you

778
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: want to be toward the hustle and bustle of Scottsdale, obviously,

779
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: like South Scottsdale toward Tempe where Arizona State is got

780
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: a little more vibrant life. Paradise Valley is extremely expensive.

781
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: It is massive lots. I mean you get home selling

782
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: for ten, fifteen to twenty million dollars down there. It's

783
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: just not a cheap place to buy a home. But

784
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe you're rich. I would say North Scottsdale,

785
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: where I live, is kind of slower paced. It's truly

786
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: the suburbs. I mean, Paradise Valley technically is two but

787
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty slow. I mean a lot of golf courses,

788
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: some nice restaurants. It's it's got some mountains. It's beautiful,

789
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: but it's it's not much happening right. A lot of

790
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: boozers up here, but they frequent a couple places. Yeah,

791
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a North Scottsdale guy. I have been

792
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: before I ever moved here. I knew when and before

793
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: I was moving here. This is where I wanted to

794
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: live in this general vicinity and where I'm at right now.

795
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how long I'm gonna be here, but

796
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: when I do move, it'll just be up the road

797
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: to places closer to the mountains. But i North scott

798
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: Stale is one of my favorite places on Earth. And

799
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: I just manifested that shit and I said I'm coming

800
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: and actually I didn't manifest. I literally just copped in

801
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: a car and left, and best thing I ever did

802
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: in her Obviously it was a huge part of that.

803
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: Let's be real, she got me here. You're starting a

804
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: franchise and you get to choose any current coach to

805
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: sign for the foreseeable future. Where would Mike McDonald fall

806
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: in your rankings. I'm not sure there's a better defensive mind.

807
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: This is a good question. I think he's a stud,

808
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: And if you took him above a bunch of the

809
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: offensive guys, I would understand, and I don't think I

810
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: would lose much sleep. I would be inclined to take

811
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: the offensive guys. The guys I know can coach the

812
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: quarterback right, Like, I think that matters. You saw last

813
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: year they had to fire the offensive coordinator. Gino threw

814
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: like twenty touchdowns and they were all out of whack.

815
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: And they're a pretty good team. But like Mike is

816
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: clearly good with the team, and he's awesome with defense,

817
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: but like when the quarterback gets out of whack, he

818
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: can't really do anything well. Kyle Shanahan can win games

819
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: with Mac Jones, Andy Reid can win games with Jeff Garcia.

820
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: You know Michael Vick out of prison. Sean McVeigh has

821
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: won games with Jared Goffin, Matt Stafford, so he's living

822
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: a pretty good life. But he listen. Obviously he's good

823
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: with the quarterback. Kevin O'Connell. I mean, it's got a

824
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: little rough, but we've seen him with Darnold, We've seen

825
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: him with Kirk Cousins. You know, win games, Lafleur. What

826
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: he's doing with Jordan Love speaks for himself. That's a

827
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: powerful thing, man, because the most important guy, you know,

828
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: obviously your GM, you're head coach and your quarterback. But like,

829
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: when I get a awesome head coach who is the

830
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: offense is his baby, Like look at Sean Payton, Like

831
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: bo Nix is kind of all over the map. It's

832
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: like he's gonna win fourteen games this year, he'd be like, well,

833
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: his defense is awesome. True, but I think a lot

834
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: of average defensive coaches that that offense would they would

835
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: be screwed. So I think it's really really important to

836
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: be able to coach the quarterback. But he would be

837
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: the lone guy that if you're like, hey, I'd rather

838
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: have Mike McDonald than Kevin O'Connell. It's like, yeah, I'm

839
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: not gonna argue with you. I'd rather have Mike McDonald

840
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: than some of these guys, Like I get it, he's

841
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: a stud and who knows, maybe in a couple of years, Like,

842
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: who's to say they couldn't rattle off playoff victories this year?

843
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Seahawks, what are your thoughts on the

844
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: Seahawks in the past few years. I felt like Gino

845
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: kept them to be a pretty average team. With Sam,

846
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: they look way better, but I still feel like they

847
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: aren't in the top level of teams. So what is

848
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: the outlook in Seattle? See? I think I disagree. I mean,

849
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: I think they're built. I think they can win the division.

850
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: They lost the Niners at home, but they usually could

851
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: have won that game. The Niners, I mean got a

852
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: little lucky to win it. Obviously the Niners were healthier

853
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: then they did lose Kittle in that game. But so

854
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: they get the Commanders coming up. I like the Seahawks.

855
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: They get the Cardinals. I like the Seahawks. So, I mean,

856
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: you could be a couple games away from being seven

857
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: to two. Then you go to the Rams, that is

858
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: a massive game. Then you get the Titans, that's a win. Viking,

859
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: that's probably a win. Then you get the Colts and

860
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: the Rams and the Niners again at the end of

861
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: the season, so you got I don't think we're gonna

862
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: know that much about you with the schedule. I think

863
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: those Rams games are pretty big and it's probably gonna

864
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: determine the division. I mean, the forty nine ers are

865
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: just are playing with me and you right now. So

866
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: it's when you factor in the Niners injuries and it's like,

867
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: is mac Jones gonna start twelve games for him? It

868
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: kind of feels that way. You go, I don't see

869
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: why Seattle can't can't win the West, And I definitely

870
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: think like Seattle can win a playoff game this year.

871
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: You know, for a couple of years at the end

872
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: with Pete when they were making the playoffs and being

873
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: one and done, Like this team feels better in that

874
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: Now it's football, like you could, especially if you're the

875
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: five seed, you could lose to you know, whoever you're playing,

876
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: So it'ld probably be the Bucks in that scenario, would

877
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: be the Rams, the Eagles, and the Packers. So I mean,

878
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a tough first game, No, matter what.

879
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: But if you have to play the Bucks in the

880
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: first round, like that's the game you can win when

881
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: you're on with Colin. Two topics seem to come up

882
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: a lot the first round quarterback bust two reclamation project

883
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: stories like Baker Donald and the Joneses, and how inconsistent

884
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: Caleb has been through the first year and a half.

885
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: Am I crazy to think those might be two sides

886
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: of the same coin. You can bet some smart offensive

887
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: coach would love to see the Bears move on from

888
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 1: Caleb in Tournament of the next. Baker Mayfield, he's only

889
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: twenty three. Can we pump the brakes and let him

890
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: develop a bit? I get the teams want instant returns

891
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: from first round quarterbacks, but Jayden and luxe rookie years

892
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: or outliers. Here's the problem with that argument. Baker Mayfield

893
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: in college dominated throwing the ball from the pocket. Dominated,

894
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean, was an unstoppable force. A lot of Caleb's

895
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: special plays have been running around and it's his physical gifts.

896
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: The way he plays is not the way like Sam

897
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: Darnold right now is slinging the ball from the pocket.

898
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: Caleb has never played that way, So how often New

899
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: guys that never played as pocket quarterbacks become pocket quarterbacks.

900
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson never could, and when he was a pro bowler,

901
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: he was making all these crazy plays outside the pocket.

902
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: The couple years DeShawn Watson was good. Same thing. So

903
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: if Caleb is gonna be good, he's going to have

904
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: to play like those guys. Now, if your argument is

905
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: he can become that, I'd say, yeah, Deshaun did it

906
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: for like two years and Russell did it for like six,

907
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: but they feel like outliers in the course of the

908
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:10,959
Speaker 1: career of that type player, So I would I'm gonna

909
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: bet against it. Not saying that he's gonna be like

910
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: out of the league, but like that style of play

911
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: historically does not work. And you're watching Caleb. He has

912
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: no feel for like timing or touch none. So it's like,

913
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: you can improve accuracy a little bit. Look at Josh Allen,

914
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: you know, Google, Like Warren Moon's career got a little

915
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: bit better as he got older. You definitely can improve

916
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: working on accuracy a little bit. You can't just you know,

917
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: become Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, but you definitely can

918
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: become a more accurate player. But when you watch him play.

919
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: His style of play doesn't really translate to resurrecting a

920
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: career and becoming a star. So I have a hard

921
00:49:54,080 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: time seeing it. Not my style of quarterback, But I

922
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna write off like he's out of the league.

923
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: And do I believe other people will try to work

924
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: with him one million percent? And who knows, maybe they

925
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: could structure the offense more toward that. Typically most of

926
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: the good offensive coordinators run a pretty structured passing game, right,

927
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: Let's not even count the guys that are run first,

928
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: Like I think when obviously Kyle Shanahan's run first. You know,

929
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: I think if Lafour's running backs are healthy, he wants

930
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: to run first. But like Sean McVay, pass guy like

931
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: their pocket passers. You know, Andy Reid lets Patrick play

932
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 1: like that a little bit, but he's kind of an outlier.

933
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: Sean Payton a lot of pocket passes, Kevin O'Connell a

934
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: lot of pocket plasses. So it's just these guys want

935
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: to call like in the structure of the offense, and

936
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: he's just not a structure of the offense player. This

937
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: is people think are like, can't stand the guy. I

938
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: don't even give a shit. I wish he was good.

939
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: I would like to watch. I like to watch good players.

940
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't like to watch I don't like to watch

941
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: scrub I don't like to watch guys throw incompletion after incompletion.

942
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: That's not fun. You know. I'm not trying to be

943
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: bitter about being paid to watch football. I try to

944
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: enjoy it. But sometimes you're watching bad quarterback player, Like

945
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: this sucks. I wish we had twenty five star quarterbacks

946
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: instead of seven. But I don't know what to tell you.

947
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think there are and I've I'm

948
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: not just coming into this. Like I watch football on Saturdays,

949
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: and I major in West Coast football. I watched a lot,

950
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: and I'm an Oklahoma guy, So I go back to Oklahoma,

951
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: which I don't really judge as an eighteen year old freshman,

952
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: but now looking back to like what he started doing.

953
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: Like he's a freelance player, and he's a freakish talent

954
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: because he's got a huge arm, and he's athletic and strong,

955
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: but he's just not a natural rhythm passer. And you're

956
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: just gonna flip that switch at twenty four to twenty five.

957
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't know are you surprised at all by the

958
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: Commanders having a down year. Did people really think they

959
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: were gonna take the next step in going to the

960
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? They had one hit run wonder written all

961
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: over them. That's a great question. I do think their

962
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: GM thought they were gonna be good and aggressively made

963
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: moves for that Laramie Tunzell, Deebo Samuel last year when

964
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: they traded for Lattimore. I mean they've aggressively acquired some

965
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: veteran guys. Now making it back to back NFC Championship games.

966
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: I think it would have been a little shocking to

967
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: have them not be nine or ten wins. But again,

968
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: their quarterbacks missing games. So once your quarterback starts missing games,

969
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: trd to win games your backup quarterback, And depending on

970
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: how the schedule shakes out, it's like, Okay, we gotta

971
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: play our backup quarterback. We gotta go two Arrowhead on

972
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: Monday night. That's an L. We gotta play Seattle Sunday night,

973
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: that's an L. So it's like, when you don't have

974
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: your starting quarterback and we'll see if Jayden plays this week,

975
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: You're not gonna win many games, you know. And then

976
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: on top of that like mclaurin's miss games, Tunsell just

977
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: left the game. Their defense looks old and slow. You know, football,

978
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: things can change fast and a guy can go for

979
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: being a solid player to just old real real quick.

980
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: I think that's what happens when you look at you know,

981
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, you just watch him play, He's like, God,

982
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: this guy looks old. Which I'm not trying to be

983
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: a hater at all. I have nothing but respect for

984
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: the guy. But it just happens to players in the

985
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: blink of an eye. Sometimes injuries and sometimes it's like

986
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: it's like looking a little slower to like, damn, he

987
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: can't move question for the back. Two weeks ago, there

988
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: was quite the uproar from kleb fans over Troy Aikman

989
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: about his game on Monday Night Football. Everything Aikman said

990
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: is still being highlighted by analysis by an analyst. Do

991
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: you think the uproar was due to Aikman hitting an nerve?

992
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: I think anytime you win right and it feels like

993
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: which is weird. Like I understand why Lebron has a

994
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: lot of fans. He's a twenty five time All Star

995
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: and won multiple four championships and Ben to nine Finals. Like,

996
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest fan, but I understand if someone

997
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: loves basketball and wants to defend him. Okay, I get it.

998
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: How could you be like, I'm a Caleb stan because

999
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: Todd McShay and mel kiper ad him number one on

1000
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: the draft board because he won the Heisman. Like what's

1001
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: like I get if you're like, hey, I'm defending Lamar Jackson. Okay,

1002
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: totally understand it, Like I all these people on the

1003
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: internet is maybe it's just a Bears fan in yours

1004
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: defending your quarterback. Traigman has won some of the biggest

1005
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: games in the history of the league. Traigman won multiple

1006
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: Super Bowls, the number one overall pick has played against.

1007
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: We're broadcasted the games of every quarterback that has mattered

1008
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: in the last forty five years. Think about that l Way,

1009
00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: Montana Marino, Jim Kelly, far of young to all the

1010
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he's literally called the manning Brady Rogers era

1011
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger Breeze. Like he's called all these guys games. He

1012
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: knows exactly what it looks like and he's not me

1013
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: just like, hey, this guy kind of worked in the league,

1014
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: understands football, and big personality. Now, this motherfucker laced them

1015
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: up through dimes to Michael Irvin against some of the

1016
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: best teams I've ever seen, the San Fransco forty nine

1017
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: ers and beat them on the road to Candlestick to

1018
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl and then won Super Bowl

1019
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: and then won the Super Bowl. So it's like he's

1020
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: so mean. As does anyone that talks about football on

1021
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: television have more equity to talk about quarterback play anybody

1022
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Kirk Herbstreet, you name it, then

1023
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 1: that fucking guy. And the answer is no, he has

1024
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: more equity and more knowledge and more understanding of anything

1025
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: that comes out of his mouth when it comes to

1026
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: quarterback than anyone that talks about the position by a

1027
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: wide margin, based on his resume and based on just

1028
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: listening to the guy talking like he knows what he's

1029
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: talking about when it comes to quarterbacks. So if it's

1030
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: that he was offended that, hey, you know X, Y,

1031
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: and Z at ten o'clock you're meeting with the coordinators.

1032
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: This time you're meeting with the players. He's been doing

1033
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: this now for multiple decades, calling games, right, So when

1034
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: someone doesn't show especially the quarterback. He probably goes, well,

1035
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: Manny always shows, Brady always showed, my homes, always showed

1036
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: like he's used to. Like all the guys always show.

1037
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: And this guy not only doesn't show, he's like text

1038
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: me the next day, it's like, who do you think

1039
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: you are? Now? Listen, I'll be the first to say.

1040
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: The players and him getting ready for a game, like,

1041
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to act like you should just throw

1042
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: away your prep to go meet him, but that's part

1043
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: of the job. And that clearly pissed Troy off a lot.

1044
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: And then Troy saw what I see. It's like something's

1045
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: a little off here. And then because Jayden Daniels fumbles

1046
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: a snap and they win the game, everyone one starts,

1047
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, blowing the Bears. It's like, well, I mean thinking,

1048
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: we have to acknowledge it kind of got a little

1049
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: lucky to win this game. Not that you know, you

1050
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 1: could argue whoever won that game, who cares? I'd argue

1051
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: both teams aren't that good. But I think this notion

1052
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: that Akman is just some unknowledgeable hater is kind of

1053
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: laughable because one as a player, resume speaks for itself

1054
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: as a broadcaster kind of been doing it a while,

1055
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: has a pretty good idea of what it looks like. Right.

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00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,919
Speaker 1: And I'm not even just talking about calling the games.

1057
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the interactions. You know, if it's Monday night,

1058
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday at the facility, the production meetings, you

1059
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: just know showed them what I'd be interested Like, how

1060
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: often do you guys know show I bet the answer

1061
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: at quarterback is slim to none. I think a lot

1062
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: of people around the league thinks Caleb's into Caleb, and listen,

1063
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: Lebron's into Lebron. You produce, no one gives a shit.

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00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: You know, Kiffins and the Lane Kiffin. You win, no

1065
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: one cares you start losing. Stuff comes up, man, that's

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00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: part of the gig. I think we could win the

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00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: division as a Bronco fan, but I'm still worried about

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00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: the chiefs now certain is out for at least a

1069
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: few weeks. That's changed our whole defense. Do you think

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00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: we can overcome and keep the momentum? What adjustments will

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00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: advance Joseph what's his name? The white corner wanted to

1072
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: say Riley Green, but that's a country music star number

1073
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: twenty one who leads the league in pass interference. I

1074
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: mean the other day it felt like he was getting

1075
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: pis on every single play. So losing your star dB

1076
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: is a blow. I love the Broncos this week against Houston,

1077
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: Riley Moss love them. I mean, I think you know

1078
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: last week the forty nine ers their entire defensive line

1079
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: bosas On injured reserve Huff who just dominated the Falcons,

1080
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: pulled his hamstring on the last play of the game.

1081
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: He did not play. They're playing multiple rookies who just

1082
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: are probably running on fumes. The rest of their defensive

1083
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: line was just atrocious and c J Adam alive. Well,

1084
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: the Broncos defensive line and just pass rush in general

1085
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: is elite. So I think this is an awful matchup

1086
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: for the Houston Texans, who have a bad offensive line.

1087
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: How do you block an elite pass rush? You don't

1088
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: not with bad offensive linemen. So I do you think

1089
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: a short term you're gonna be okay? Obviously, if you're

1090
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: a Bronco fan, I mean you're rooting heavily for the

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00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: Bills to win this week. Let me look at Denver's

1092
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: upcoming schedules, So you got We've got the Texas this

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00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: week in Houston. Then you get the Raiders. You haven't

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00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: played the Chiefs yet. Then you get the Chiefs, Commanders Raiders.

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00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a lot of Patsy's in here

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00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs games. So your tough remaining games are

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01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: two Chiefs games, the Packers, and then depending what's on

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01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: the line for that last game against the Chargers which

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01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: is in Denver. But you obviously get the Chiefs one

1100
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: of the games at home, and you get the Packers

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01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: at home. So if you win this Texan game and

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01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: your what would your record be seven and two, you're

1103
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: in pretty good shape because then you get the Raiders

1104
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: at home on a short week Thursday night, which who knows,

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01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean they could be you could be a ten

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01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: point favor in that game, and then you get long

1107
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,479
Speaker 1: rest into the Chiefs game, which is at home as well.

1108
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: So that's this Texan game is pretty big because it

1109
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: can propel you to the Raider game. So if you

1110
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Speaker 1: win the next two games, you're eight and two, go

1111
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: into that Chiefs game. Now the Chiefs they play this

1112
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: week and then they got to buy the next week,

1113
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: so they're coming off of bye and you're coming off

1114
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: the mini buy So it's not a huge I guess.

1115
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: Let me double check that on the Chiefs because the

1116
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: Chiefs they play the Bills eleven two in their next

1117
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: game to Broncos, so that they get a buye as well.

1118
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: So that's something to keep an eye on. H Why

1119
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: had the one pm Eastern games this season been so lackluster?

1120
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: Is just a lot of bad teams in the league,

1121
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: or because of Monday night doubleheader? I don't know. I mean,

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01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: I think sometimes when you get the Monday night doubleheader

1123
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: and you start getting the buys, you just have less options.

1124
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,959
Speaker 1: So if you do have five games going at once

1125
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: and you get three blowouts, it's like you're pretty beholden

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01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: to a couple other games, and if the other games

1127
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: that are good are like the Jets the Bengals kind

1128
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: of sucks. So I think there's a little randomness to it.

1129
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: There are obviously a lot of bad teams, a ton

1130
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: of injuries, I think is a huge factor. A lot

1131
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: of injuries. But there have been some bad football. I mean,

1132
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be negative Nelly here, but we've

1133
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: all watched some bad football over the last couple weeks.

1134
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: Question about the Giants all signs are pointing to Joe,

1135
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: Shane and Dave all getting fired. Should they hire a

1136
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: head coach that has experienced and get a respectable level

1137
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: guy or a young guy that's a boom and bust potential.

1138
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm gonna start putting this together now.

1139
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: If the Steelers season goes south, which it's gonna back,

1140
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: it could potentially start to go south hard. Doesn't Mike

1141
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: Tomlin make a lot of sense? Doesn't Mike Tomlin make

1142
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: a lot of sense? Bring Mike Tomlin? He could bring

1143
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith. Uh. I just think Mike Tomlin the New

1144
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: York Giants, Like, if you're gonna leave the Pittsburgh Steelers,

1145
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: why not try to go resurrect the Giants, start fresh,

1146
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: bring your own GM. I don't know, and just I'm

1147
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: kind of rooting for that to happen. I'm a Vikings fan,

1148
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: but my boss a Packer fan. Some of them North

1149
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: Hollywood's calling me, we got uh dictates my progression. We

1150
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: got into a debate about what's worse sing a team

1151
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: fumble multiple back. Vikings were having only one championship with Rogers,

1152
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: who is arguably a three top three quarterback of all time.

1153
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: I think it's the latter. I think the Packers are spoiled,

1154
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: so rotten. I also think that Jordan Love is a

1155
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: b quarterback. In short, I hope the Packers enter a dark,

1156
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: plague filled winless street. That's not gonna happen. I think

1157
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: it's it's disappointing if you're a Packer fan to only

1158
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: have two Super Bowls with Rogers and far of over

1159
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: a thirty year period, but you basically won. I mean,

1160
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Speaker 1: over those thirty years, it felt like they made the

1161
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: playoffs twenty five of them. They won a bunch of

1162
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: playoff games over that period of time. They win the

1163
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: division all the time. I think what the Vikings situation is,

1164
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: if Sam Donald becomes a consistent Pro Bowl player, that's

1165
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: gonna be one thing that's gonna be hard to stomach.

1166
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: I think that's got If Sam Donald leads Seattle to

1167
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: like several playoff victory over the next couple of years,

1168
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: wins the division, and your team is just quarterback lists

1169
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: and this JJ McCarthy thing blows up in their face.

1170
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: The Packers is not even debatable that argument. Uh, you

1171
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: and Colin were talking about Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams,

1172
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: and you mentioned how you'd be curious to see how

1173
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: Johnson ranked the twenty four quarterbacks. Since I'm a Bronco fan,

1174
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: it got me wondering, do you think Ben Johnson would

1175
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: trade Caleb for bow Knicks. Maybe I'm biased, but I

1176
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: feel like he would make a trade in a heartbeat.

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01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: PS keep it the good work. Uh, it's a great question.

1178
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: I I don't know how he would have ranked the

1179
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: guys because Bo Nicks, I wouldn't say is the most

1180
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: accurate guy. And bo Nick's style like he's actually much

1181
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: more athletic than he is, like what he had in

1182
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. Now, just because he had a bunch of

1183
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: success with Jared Goff doesn't mean that's like his ideal

1184
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: type player. Maybe he would really like a more mobile

1185
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: type guy. Listen, if I wanted to defend Caleb Williams

1186
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: not like Bone. I know his numbers look pretty good,

1187
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: but you watch him play, he struggles a lot too.

1188
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's very hit or miss now and

1189
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: he's on a way better team with you know, he's

1190
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: at Sean Payton now for two years. So I don't

1191
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: think there's a lock that Ben Johnson would have liked

1192
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: either one you know, in terms of like if he

1193
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: had the number one overall pick, my guess is he

1194
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: would take Drake May would be my guess, or Jaden

1195
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: Daniels over those guys. But who knows. And you know,

1196
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: I bet if you asked him, he might not really

1197
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: watched those guys because he's the offensive coordinator. During draft time,

1198
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: you're not wasting time ranking the quarterbacks when you're evaluating

1199
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: other positions that your team needs. He probably spend a

1200
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: lot of time on O lineman, on skill guys, on

1201
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: self scouting, on other stuff that he did. Ranking quarterbacks,

1202
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: they clearly were never gonna draft, so he might if

1203
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: you asked him, he'd be like, honestly, I didn't really

1204
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: evaluate either coming out that. What his honest comment might be,

1205
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: it's like, how would you rank these guys coming out

1206
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: of college? He'd probably go, I'd have to go rewatch

1207
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: them because I didn't really focus on them. I think

1208
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: you'd be shocked. Like good good teams, they're coordinators, most

1209
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: of them, don't spend that much time, like banging out

1210
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: the film on those players. It's kind of a waste

1211
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: of your time. The volume