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Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Dorney. Hello to

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Speaker 1: all my listeners. I am back with another episode of

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Speaker 1: Let's Be Clear. Today. I want to focus on the

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Speaker 1: concept of beauty and what that means to me. And

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Speaker 1: there's no better person to join this discussion than my

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Speaker 1: dear friend, who is stunningly beautiful, a model many things,

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Speaker 1: Anne Marie Courtwright.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to first start with how we met.

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Speaker 1: Although I wasn't married to the person that I was

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Speaker 1: dating at the time, I sort of say that I

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Speaker 1: got you in the divorce. Yes you did. It was

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Speaker 1: it was like a although he'll argue he got me too.

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Speaker 3: I had to split my side. But I did get you. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I didn't give the other excess. I got you, right,

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Speaker 3: that's the thinking. Okay, So we met. I started dating

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Speaker 3: a guy. His name is Jason, and he lived in

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Speaker 3: New York. And we were dating I don't even know,

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Speaker 3: like a month or two months maybe at the most,

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Speaker 3: and he said, I want you to meet like my

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Speaker 3: best friend and his fiance, who I love. She's like

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Speaker 3: a sister to me. Can we, you know, meet them tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: For brunch for brunch and the East Villish and I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh god, no, I have to meet the friends.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was not into it. And then when

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Speaker 1: he was like, oh and she's a model, I was

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Speaker 1: like still, I was like, I know, thank you. I

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Speaker 1: don't need to be like the five to four girl

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Speaker 1: standing next to like a giants. Just not I'm not interested.

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Speaker 1: But it was important to him, and I was like, okay.

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Speaker 2: Fine, that's the best decision you ever made.

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Speaker 1: It really was like I got up there, but it

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Speaker 1: was awesome. I think. I don't know. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know how I felt sort of meeting you and hanging

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Speaker 1: out in that brunch and your your what's now your

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Speaker 1: husband was your fiance at that time, Scott, which I

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Speaker 1: can go into, but let's hear it from you first.

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Speaker 1: I love it for come on, just put it out there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you have any impressions? Like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you knew who I was as far as

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Speaker 1: an actress, she was Brenda.

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Speaker 2: She walked in until there were some I'm like, oh

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Speaker 2: my god, is Brenda?

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Speaker 1: And then that was it.

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Speaker 2: Then I called myself. You know, there's very very few

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Speaker 2: people that give me starstuck, and that was you. And

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Speaker 2: you know, usually you meet those people that you're kind

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Speaker 2: of into and you love watching them on TV and

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Speaker 2: you're like, oh I wish I didn't. It was the

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Speaker 2: different case with you, So thank you.

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Speaker 1: Here we are.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen plus years later. I mean I wasn't even married.

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Speaker 2: I have a fifteen and a half year old, so right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're going way back. Yeah yeah, but we still look

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Speaker 2: just as good. Well you definitely did, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: We get better with age. I swear you have not aged.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and that's actually a really true statement. I

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Speaker 2: think that you specifically have gotten better with age. And

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Speaker 2: we're going to get into this because you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: constantly asking you, like what.

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Speaker 1: Do I do? And it's because I look at you

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, how how does somebody's skin get prettier

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Speaker 1: and better? But before I jump in there, obviously I

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Speaker 1: went into that brunch a little trepidacious, and then I

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Speaker 1: met you, and there was like this sort of familiarity,

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Speaker 1: like immediately where I felt, oh, okay, I know this person,

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Speaker 1: and like an instant comfort a girlship and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a word, but I'm now creating

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Speaker 1: a word, the girlship, because you know, especially back then,

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Speaker 1: at that point in time, girls were not always supportive

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Speaker 1: of other girls, and I was definitely used to that

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Speaker 1: being the case. And then all of a sudden, I

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Speaker 1: met you, and I felt like, oh, this girl's got

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Speaker 1: my back.

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Speaker 2: I think for the most case, I think in your business,

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Speaker 2: in my business. Then, you know, it was hard to

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Speaker 2: really make a bond with a new girl because you know,

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Speaker 2: you had to really watch your back. So when you

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Speaker 2: found that person in that connection that you knew like, wait,

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Speaker 2: she's a girls girls, and she's got your back and

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Speaker 2: it's real, you grab onto it. And that's how we

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Speaker 2: are still here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's insane how much I think

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Speaker 1: that there's room for all of us and we don't

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Speaker 1: just support one another. And like with every job you got,

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Speaker 1: with every positive thing that happened in your life, I

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Speaker 1: was so excited, accelerated. Yeah, yeah, and vice versa.

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Speaker 2: I never understood not celebrating other women's anyone's achievements that

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Speaker 2: you care for. In general, I'm happy for everyone. There's

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Speaker 2: room for everyone, and I truly feel that way, like

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Speaker 2: I am genuinely happy for my friends. Even if it

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Speaker 2: was a model that was going up for the same

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Speaker 2: job as me, it didn't matter, you know. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't meant to be, like and I still feel

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Speaker 2: that way. There is everything's meant to be. It happens

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Speaker 2: for a reason. And I think you really got to

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Speaker 2: see the real me back then, which a lot of

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Speaker 2: people I feel like don't know the real me. They

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Speaker 2: kind of judge me walking in the door, and I

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Speaker 2: have many of those stories. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: people like to judge you by just looking. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I used to be very reserved. I was bullied my

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Speaker 2: whole high school life, and I was always very guarded

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Speaker 2: and who I led into my life. But at the

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Speaker 2: same time, I always kind of knew when there was

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Speaker 2: that good person that I kind of wanted to add

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Speaker 2: to my core group of girls. And here we are.

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Speaker 1: I've watched people gloss over asking you a question because

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Speaker 1: they assume that you look the way that you look,

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Speaker 1: that you're not going to know the answer. It's my

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Speaker 1: favorite thing. It's actually one of my favorite things too,

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Speaker 1: to watch to be a witness to you because you

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Speaker 1: are so incredibly intelligent and use intelligent and stupid. I

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Speaker 1: pay attention, You pay attention, and you're studied. If there's

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Speaker 1: something that you don't know about, you will do one

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Speaker 1: of two things. Either you're the first to be like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know enough to talk about it, or you

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Speaker 1: will educate yourself on.

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Speaker 2: It, and then I'll come back and I'll be fully

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Speaker 2: informed exactly. And I learned that from my husband. I

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Speaker 2: have to tell you. I got to give him a

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Speaker 2: little credit. He always says, don't speak.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Just listen.

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Speaker 1: You obviously know that your husband is one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite people I know. Like Scott and I bonded and

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Speaker 1: we still bond. He's a good therapist too, he is.

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Speaker 1: He's a really good therapist. Like Scott's helped me in

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Speaker 1: numerous occasions. And you know, with the boyfriend that I

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Speaker 1: that I've been in while I've known you, and certainly

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Speaker 1: through my marriage, Scott was always sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: somebody that I that I went to along with you.

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Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I was getting the female

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Speaker 1: feel like we're very similar in personalities. Yea, so very insightful. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean again, so are you. But I do like,

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Speaker 1: I do love watching you shut people down with your.

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Speaker 2: A lot more confident now you are you taught listen

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Speaker 2: you Scott and a few other people in my life

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Speaker 2: gave me that strength to just be like, don't let

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Speaker 2: the first impression of like, look at me walking in

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Speaker 2: a room and that be the end of it. Like

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Speaker 2: now I made sure I'm like loud enough for you

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Speaker 2: to know that it's not just the tall skinny girl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the tall skinny girl with like the perfect bone structure.

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Speaker 1: That bone structure is crazy. My favorite photos is when

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Speaker 1: I post the two of us with our like our

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Speaker 1: cheekbones are popping out and I just need it cheeks.

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Speaker 1: So okay, so we met. We obviously, you know, we

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Speaker 1: stayed friends. We've been through a lot together. You gave

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Speaker 1: birth to a beautiful, you know, quirky, her own person, smart,

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Speaker 1: very independent, like young woman live who's wonderful. I love that,

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Speaker 1: like my friends that have kids, because I feel like

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Speaker 1: they're my children to a certain extent, but I get

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Speaker 1: to not have to deal with them. Twenty four to

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Speaker 1: the good parts. Yeah, yes, you borrow them. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: like being aunt Shannon. That works for me one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: You were also the person that I called when I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I started losing my hair from chemo, and

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Speaker 1: I remember I posted a photo on my Instagram a

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Speaker 1: holding like clumps and clumps and clumps of hair, and

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Speaker 1: I knew at that point in time that I had

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Speaker 1: with you know, hair falling out, and that I had

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Speaker 1: to sort of take control over. Like my own narrators.

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Speaker 2: I've always been very much pro us handling things how

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Speaker 2: we share it, Like I always tell you we should

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Speaker 2: put that out first, like I shoulder your terms and

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Speaker 2: not the paparasitic term coming out of the grocery store.

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Speaker 1: And you really did that for me, like yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know it was my mom was at the house and

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Speaker 1: we called you, and I was like, this is what's happened.

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Speaker 1: I need you to shave my head, and you were like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I have to stop. I have to leave my house.

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Speaker 1: I have to stop and get the shaver from you know.

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Speaker 2: I went to the Malibu Country where the is it

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Speaker 2: a CBS, right, yeah, the CBS. And you're like, so

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Speaker 2: I'll be there. I'll try to be there in like

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Speaker 2: forty minutes. You should have seen me through the aisles.

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Speaker 2: I think it was thirty eight minutes later. You like

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Speaker 2: came knocking on the door.

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Speaker 4: Three different choices. I'm like, wishing you think would work. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know whatever I mean. It

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Speaker 4: was a moment that was filled with a lot of

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Speaker 4: emotions for me personally, Like it was I was losing

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Speaker 4: a lot of my identity because my hair was like

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Speaker 4: a big thing throughout my life.

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Speaker 1: You know. I remember being a lot of full hair,

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Speaker 1: full hair. I remember being offered like a in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: I got offered some like shampoo endorsement for a big company.

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Speaker 1: I won't say who it was, but I turned it

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Speaker 1: down because at the time, nobody was doing endorsements like actors.

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Speaker 1: Who would have ever known, right, And so I was

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Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no. I took myself far too seriously.

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Speaker 1: I should have been like I'll take that cash, thank you,

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Speaker 1: but I did not. And so everything was, you know,

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Speaker 1: all about like the Brenda haircut and this and that

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Speaker 1: and and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people were modeling their styles after your Branda haircut. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: obviously I've been through this with you and a few

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Speaker 2: other friends and now including my mom. So it's it's

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Speaker 2: a big thing. I interestingly not off. You know, through

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Speaker 2: all of my like high school and like all the

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Speaker 2: different things people were picking on me, my hair was

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Speaker 2: the one thing they couldn't pick on. There is something

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Speaker 1: at one point in time in my life, it was

433
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: like the first time I had met them, and lovely people,

434
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 1: and they like they made food, but it was here's

435
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: what I was eating, and then here's what because it

436
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: was cooked a different matures, and then here's what everybody

437
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: else is eating. And mine was like a super small portion,

438
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: and I guess it was well done. I remember looking

439
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: at that being like what And I'm like the I

440
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: was offended. I'm like like, excuse me. I'm like listening.

441
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: My metabolism is just fast, That's why I But I

442
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: love food and I wanted.

443
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,239
Speaker 2: Some mistake that people make of the two of us.

444
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, and you're the exact same way, and like.

445
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 2: Room, there could be twelve people here eating and she

446
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: and I will clean out the kitchen, clean out the kitchen,

447
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: and then we don't stop moving the next day cleaning

448
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: the kitchen cleaning. Okay, so back to back to your podcast,

449
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,479
Speaker 2: Beauty from the Inside of Beauty from the inside out

450
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: because you really do like believe in that and.

451
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: You like things, you know.

452
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 2: I think that I kind of got into the wellness.

453
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: Let's just backtrack for a second. I didn't grow up

454
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: like that. I grew up eating and loving food in

455
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: Puerto Rico, right, but not necessarily the healthiest food. A

456
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: lot of the food is fried. There's just a lot

457
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: of like not healthy ingredients delicious and it makes you

458
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: really happy and everyone's really happy at the end of

459
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: the meal. But I think when I decided that I

460
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: wanted to get pregnant, I went on this rabbit hole

461
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: of like how do I prepare my body to be

462
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 2: the cleanest, And then I went into this journey where

463
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: I was like really trying to understand how food affected

464
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: our body. And from there on, you know, I have

465
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: done every cleanse, every diet from the original juice cleans,

466
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: which by the way, are so bad for you now,

467
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: Like I've tried everything that has come and gone until

468
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: I finally found a really good balance of eating the

469
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: things I like, having lots of desserts. As you know,

470
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed. Channa makes the most insane blueberry bread putting,

471
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: bread putting, and then she puts the glaze over it.

472
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: So anyways, listen, I constantly Actually, I don't want to

473
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: make it seem like it's so easy, because it's not.

474
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: It's a constant battle for me to balance what's good

475
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 2: for my body and what my brain wants. And that's

476
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 2: kind of how I ended up in the journey with

477
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: doctor Jamie, who I get introduced by Channa's and I

478
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: trainer who use all the time Kira, and she's one

479
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: of the best introductions I've ever had because she is

480
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 2: so good at just explaining things in a simple manner

481
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: and there is zero judgment coming from her, So doesn't

482
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: matter how you like to do it, how difficult or

483
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: easy it is for you, She's just going to be

484
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 2: in that journey with you. And I remember, I think

485
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: maybe three four meetings with her. I said to her

486
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: one day, I was like, I've people have asked me

487
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: before to like do podcasts about this. The other I said,

488
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: I've never had an interest because I do not want

489
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: to hear myself speak. I don't think anyone cares to

490
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: hear Anne Marie by herself talking about this stuff. I said,

491
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: but I would love to do this with you because

492
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: I would love to do like wellness for dummies, And

493
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: what I meant by that was that I can have

494
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: all my questions prepared and have her answer them as

495
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 2: if I was the patient, And it was so fabulous.

496
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: From the moment we started, it was just left.

497
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: Since knowing you and since you went on your sort

498
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: of beauty journey and discovering what was like really good

499
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: for your body and what to put in it, I've

500
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: gotten much better. Yeah, and yes, you sometimes have to

501
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: bring me juices or you have to come here and

502
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: use my juicer. But I've definitely become a lot more

503
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: aware because you can see it. Yes, your eyes, the

504
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: whiten your eyes gets clear. You feel better by yourself.

505
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure that you have days where you've done kimo

506
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: and you wanted a burgroom fries, which, by the way,

507
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: I approve every day in and out whichever, and the

508
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: days you do the juices, it just you do feel better.

509
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: Once mentally better, the other one's physically better. And they're

510
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: both good because one day you need one, the next

511
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: day you need the other. It's not just one thing.

512
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: You can be happy with the way you eat, the

513
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: way you exercise. It doesn't have to be all in

514
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: or all out.

515
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: Well.

516
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean, we're living in a very like extremist world.

517
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: You know, we keep extreme. It's very it's either weird,

518
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: like this direction or that direction. It's like we're too skinny,

519
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: we're not healthy enough, right, think about that. Like I

520
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: was told once I wasn't I was unendurable, and I

521
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking about. I was on

522
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: their weight for my heights, and I go, would you

523
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: like to follow me for the next week because there's

524
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: nothing else I can't do. That's really interesting because you know,

525
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: like the United States, they have the thing where it

526
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: gives you, like what your ideal weight should be, But

527
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: what they don't take into account is that sometimes what

528
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: they claim is the ideal weight is too thin for

529
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: some people and too heavy for other people, because your

530
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: bones really make a difference. Like I'm very fine boned

531
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: and so are you. So the extra weight and believe

532
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't that long ago that I had

533
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: a lot of extra weight on me, Like the meds

534
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: that I was on and everything else. It's not even weight,

535
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: it's just water retenne was yeah, water retention. It was

536
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: a lot of weight. I was extremely depressed. I was

537
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: on meds, that were, you know, messing with me, not

538
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: like cancer meds, you guys. You know, I'm sure other

539
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: people think I should be on other meds, but I'm

540
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: talking about the cancers. So I put on like a

541
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: lot of weight. I've never weighed that amount, and I

542
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: I couldn't stand myself like I was really well just.

543
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: For the physical part, because it just doesn't feel good

544
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: to you.

545
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: Oh, I felt like none of my clothes fit me.

546
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: I felt gross. I just didn't go to other people

547
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: that were like, oh, she looks so healthy, right, and

548
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: You're like what, And I'm like, I'm not healthy, Like

549
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: this is not healthy for me. This is too much

550
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: weight on my body. It's too much weight on my bones.

551
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: Where we all don't fit in that one box, so

552
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: it's impossible, and we all have a different like body mass, bones,

553
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: like everybody has a different thing, and so you really

554
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: have to figure out what is what is your version

555
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: of healthy. Yeah, it's the same with skin, It's the

556
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: same with all of it. It's like you have to

557
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: find what we're for you.

558
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: You know, you look at j Loo for instance, and

559
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm bringing her up because I was in Italy in

560
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: August and she was there and she was, you know,

561
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: as close to me as you are. And I was like,

562
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: how does she have this skin? Like She's like she

563
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: takes care of herself, Like she does a lot of

564
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: the things I do, and she's been doing it forever,

565
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: which is like prevents it but still that you know,

566
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, I have to I have to be Yeah,

567
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: we have completely set who I am, my genetics, and

568
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: then go all right, how do I get to the

569
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: best version of my skin that I can possibly get?

570
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: So going into that as you know.

571
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: Especially with all the cancer mats, right, That's what I'm

572
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: thinking about that, right, Like it's the same with like

573
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: your hair. Everything's gonna you know, people never know how

574
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: the hair is going to grow back, right, the same

575
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: with your skin. Your skin might get thinner, it might

576
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: get thicker, it might get more wrinkled, it might get

577
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: more light and get more great through all the years,

578
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: your skin's changed the law, you know, depending on the

579
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: mets that you were on, your skin was changing. So

580
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: we have to like change what you were doing because

581
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, now I'm too early, now I'm too dry,

582
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: or my hair is doing this or too you know, like, yeah,

583
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: there's always going to be a different reaction when you're

584
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: going through these treatments, which is the thing that I

585
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: think a lot of people don't talk about, you know,

586
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: especially when they have cancer. Like I have these conversations

587
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: with my mom all the time, and I would say,

588
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: text Channel Jilla or text my other friend, and I'm like,

589
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: see what they're thinking, what they're doing. I mean, I'm

590
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: not sure how deep we want to get into this,

591
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of other things that happen when

592
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: you're getting chema.

593
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I think that we don't feel as comfortable

594
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: talking about it because again it goes back to the

595
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: thing of others that don't have cancer and that are

596
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: not going through this journey. They they're like why, Like

597
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: you're just lucky to be alive, Like that's you should

598
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: just be focused on staying alone and who cares about

599
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: your skin? And I'm like, no, no, no, no, I do,

600
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: because you know I'm anybody that's telling you that I

601
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: should not be part of your life, right, I'm a woman.

602
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: I care about how I look. I do eventually want

603
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: to meet somebody else. I do want to fall in

604
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: love again, but more importantly, I want to fall in

605
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: love with myself again, right, And I haven't felt great

606
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: about myself for a really long time. Like those cancer meds,

607
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: chemo radiation, everything, it sucked every bit of collagen out.

608
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I got a gazillion wrinkles. I

609
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: was like, what the hell is this about? And then

610
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: stress and stress lost My hair grew back. Then you know,

611
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: I had to do brain radiation, the hair like patchy,

612
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: then the treatment, the infusions. That's that you're still cracking

613
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: up and smiling. People really knew. Think about it. If

614
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: people really.

615
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: Knew, would you truly go every day ups and downs?

616
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: And you know, it's so hard, like to really grasp

617
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: I know that we should be grateful for everything we

618
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: have and be thankful and be so happy to have

619
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: a roof and to have food and to have water

620
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: all of these things, but like when did we stop

621
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: being human? Why can I have a bad day? You know?

622
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: And it's like you and I have this conversation which

623
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: I think I feel very comfortable having it with you,

624
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: where I'm like, you could be coming out of chemo

625
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: and you could be basically feeling like shit part of

626
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: me about to throw up in the highway on your

627
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: way home and I'm having a shit day, and I

628
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: feel okay telling you I'm having the worst day ever,

629
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: and you will literally stop and listen to me, And that,

630
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: to me is true friendship right there.

631
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: It's also all relative, you know, like my crap day,

632
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: they're still just as important as each other's, Like my

633
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: chemo doesn't trump your day exactly.

634
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: But you taught me that you taught me. I remember

635
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: you yelled at me once because you're like, how did

636
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: I not know you haven't been feeling well?

637
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

638
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: And in my head I was like, because what you're

639
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: going through And you're like, what's wrong with you? That's

640
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: not really what you said, but I'm not going to

641
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: repeat it exactly where by word, and I will have

642
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: to believe you. Yeah, blig me a lot. And then

643
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: and you were like, in Mari, you're my friend. If

644
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: you're having a bad day, I want to know about it,

645
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: you know. And that is priceless because there are very

646
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: very few people in my life and in your life

647
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: where we can truly be ourselves. And that's that's priceless.

648
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: I mean you are because I know that you were

649
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: about to get into this and you're hesitant. So we're

650
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: going to there are things that I will only discuss

651
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: with you. And you know, one of the things that

652
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: I've been very honest with you about and we sort

653
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: of have gone down the path together you've like taken

654
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: me to doctor Cherry Ross, was what what cancer does

655
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: to your libido? What it does to I mean, listen,

656
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: when you're feeling not great about yourself, that's going to

657
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: kill your libido. But then when it actually impacts your libido,

658
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: when it takes when meds take your libido away, or

659
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: it makes you know, things not as pleasant, like sex

660
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: doesn't feel as good. Whatever it is women, particularly when

661
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: you get to a certain age like or when you

662
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: start going through menopause, is really I think when PM

663
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: talk about that, right, but that's when it all starts happening,

664
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: when like a woman's sex drive really really really changes.

665
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: And you know, there are some women who take a

666
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: lot of hormones for it in order to balance it out.

667
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: There's some women who don't want to take hormones, but

668
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: they still want balance well alternative things, and now we

669
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: have atortive things. Doctor Ross has really been a pioneer

670
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: in that area. So this is doctor Cherry Ross. She's

671
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: located in Yeah, she's a gynecologist, and she's listed, she's

672
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: in and Monica, she makes me blush a little bit.

673
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: I got to be honest, I know you're so much

674
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: more even though we're both conservatives in our own upbringings

675
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: and like our backgrounds. She like, I'm kind of like,

676
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: I think the model in business is a little bit

677
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: more open than the way you were. And I remember

678
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: sitting in the office with her, because of course I

679
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: took Shan into the op appointment and I sat there

680
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: with her because that's.

681
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 4: What I do.

682
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: And I remember by the way she took me because

683
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, I specifically said to her, like I, you know,

684
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: I need to do something. Things are not working, Things

685
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: aren't working, and this isn't the life that I want

686
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: to live. And you know, I also don't want my

687
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: husband to live like this, so I need to, you know,

688
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: figure this out. And so Amory next that I already

689
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: had a guynecologist, but she was like, no, no, no,

690
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: there's one person that you need to go to and

691
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: that's doctor Sherry Ross. So now keep going.

692
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: And so we went there and you know, she goes

693
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: and Channon gets her exam and she comes out. She's

694
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 2: like me, me, in the office. I'm sitting in the office.

695
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: She's got all these little these place of things.

696
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: Of toys. Then she goes, here's Shannon take this, and

697
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: Shannon like shoves it in her back. She's like, you

698
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: think you can see it? And I'm like, I'm like,

699
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: no one can see it, no one knows. Isn't there.

700
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: She's like, are you sure?

701
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: And she's like, you're going to take this home and

702
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: this is how you're going to use it. And she

703
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 2: was like Shannon was like, I've never seen her disembarrassed.

704
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: I was probably the only time. And and then the

705
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 2: next day, I'm like, so, how did it go? And

706
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm not telling you, And I go, it's

707
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: still in your bag. It's and then she's like, yep,

708
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: still on.

709
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: My bag, Still on the bag, Still in my bag.

710
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: I think it stayed in my bag for a really

711
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: long time. Uh she I mean listen, I'm I think

712
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: I'm turning red, just like your sweating. I can see

713
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: I was sweating. I'm like, oh my god, I need

714
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: to turn on the acy in hair. But people don't

715
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: understand that it's not you know, paramenopause, menopause, just getting older,

716
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: all of it impacts not just you know, your exterior.

717
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't just impact your skin, but it's also impacting

718
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: the whole way that your body is reacting and responding.

719
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: And then you add to that cancer meds, you add

720
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: to that chemo or and it just zaps you of

721
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: of everything and it takes your confidence. Yeah, it takes

722
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: away your confidence. It takes away like your identity. And

723
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: like I, for the last solid couple of years, probably

724
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: four years, have felt like a boy. Like I thought

725
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: I looked like a boy. I am one hot looking boy,

726
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean, I just you know, and obviously

727
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: there were other things you know now, I know that

728
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: we're playing into it about like you know, other contributing

729
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: factors into into how I felt. But at the end

730
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: of the day, like me feeling like that didn't help

731
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: anything in line relationship. Of course not because then I'm not,

732
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, engaging with full confidence, which is a problem

733
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: in a relationship. It was impacting me.

734
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: Well, it's like you said earlier, it's like you have

735
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: to learn to love yourself first, and you weren't loving yourself,

736
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: so how can you even have somebody else love you?

737
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: It's hard. I mean, the one thing I was like,

738
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: there's two things. One is a serious thing, which is

739
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: when I discovered you know, the intimate and fasting, which

740
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: really got like that first initial weight off of me.

741
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: I think I lost like ten pounds. I remember that

742
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: it was more than that. I mean I lost ten

743
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: pounds like two weeks, like quick, and while eating amazing

744
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: food and just you know, only eating between twelve and

745
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: eight and then being careful of what I was putting

746
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: into my body and you know, having prepared meals like

747
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: that really did it. And then then I always joke

748
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: that one of the most amazing things about my infusions

749
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: is that, you know, it made me throw up a lot.

750
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: So there was the wind cable of day. Yeah, I mean,

751
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: I guess this is the thing. Sometimes you just got

752
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: to laugh at it.

753
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: I mean you got to find the positive and everything right.

754
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: There is no other way around it. And honestly, you

755
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 2: can't laugh in life. I don't know what you're doing.

756
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: You can have bad times, but you got to laugh. Yeah,

757
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,959
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make yourself laugh and cry cry while laughing.

758
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: I mean all of our New York trips. I remember

759
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: I was in New York and I was at Marquis

760
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: Noah Teppenberg's club, and I'm not going to say who

761
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: it was, but it's it was a you know, sort

762
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: of famous journalist, I guess, we could say. And I

763
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: was there. I started making out with him, and I

764
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: was not there. My friend was with me, who is gay,

765
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: and I got up to like go talk to someone

766
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: that I knew, and I came back and my gay

767
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: friend was making out with the journalist. Oh my god,

768
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: I know, and he took him home and I was like, well,

769
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: there goes that, there goes that. I guess he you know,

770
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess my friend was more his type.

771
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: And that's awesome. But like those were the kind of

772
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: you know nights that we had back then, or at

773
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: least that I had, and you were you were probably

774
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: more well behaved than I was. I've always been a good,

775
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: well behaved child for the most part. It also made

776
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: it great for me. It was great. You were like

777
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: more of the responsible one and the one that would

778
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 1: look at me and be like, he's not that cute.

779
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: Trust me tomorrow, you're gonna you would regret it, like

780
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: let's go. And I was like, okay, cool, all right,

781
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: I trust Amory with that decision. We have fun, all right,

782
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: So this is good, and I know that it's I

783
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: know that it's like hard because there's probably not one

784
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: thing and you've kind of addressed it, But like, what

785
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: are your beauty routines currently?

786
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: Well, not currently, I think for the last two years

787
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more, I have really focused on

788
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: finding the perfect routine because I'm working on my own

789
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: little thing that may or may not be coming at

790
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: some point sooner.

791
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: I will be the first one.

792
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: And I like to do a thing that I mean,

793
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: it's not my thing, but it's called skin recycling. So

794
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 2: basically what I like to do is try a lot

795
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: of different products in different ways, at different times of

796
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: the day, in different orders, until I just find that

797
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: good combination. I think I finally figured it out, but

798
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: I can't.

799
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: Tell you just yet.

800
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: You're there, it's coming, So it is very important that

801
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing that I've learned. The reason

802
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: you keep your skin moisturized glowy hydra, it's by sealing

803
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: the moisture in. So when you're applying a product, make

804
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: sure that you don't start with the dewey gowey stuff

805
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: first and then put the liquided stuff after, because that

806
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense, right, think about it. So you're

807
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: gonna put your yellow bomb, that's basically going to be

808
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: a barrier that's supposed to be your top. They're supposed

809
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: to keep all the things that you put in there

810
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: pressed in continue to hydrate you throughout the day.

811
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: Right.

812
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: So for example, I'm gonna give you one for free, Okay,

813
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: thank you? You take you do missed. If you're gonna

814
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: do a toner, I like a missed. I spray it,

815
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: I pat it down. In the morning, I'll do a

816
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: hyaluronic acid, so you put it in while the skin

817
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: is stamped. People don't realize that you shouldn't put hyaluronic

818
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: acid on dry skin.

819
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: You missed.

820
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: Do the hyaluronic acid. Then I do a serum or

821
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: an oil, they're pretty much similar, and then you do a.

822
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: Bomb on top. Right, So those are just a normal lotion, moisturizer.

823
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: Do you ever use this or are you a bomb girl?

824
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: You know, it depends.

825
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: If I'm somewhere hot, I'll probably avoid the bomb, and

826
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: then I'll do a some protection lotion type thing. And

827
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: but for the most part, I find that at my

828
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: later age, as I may or may not be in

829
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: enter impairmental past, which people don't like to talk about

830
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: it because it makes you're old. I'm like, I don't care.

831
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to own it. I'm gonna talk about it

832
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: as everybody knows what they need to do. I just

833
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: feel like I really need that extra help because what

834
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: happens is if you allow your skin to get dry

835
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: and dehydrate it when certain things happen it, that's when

836
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: you get like your wrinkles on your stretch marks, right

837
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: like it happens when a woman is pregnant towards the

838
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: end of the pregnancy. I always tell everybody, you've got

839
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: to really lotion that belly, like you gotta make it's

840
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: so gross that you can like pick it with your

841
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: nails because guess what those last thirty days, everything stretches,

842
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: everything changes, and if it's dry, you're gonna get a

843
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 2: stretch mark, you're gonna get a wrinkle. So the most

844
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 2: important thing is to hydrate, hydrate, hydrate, And I always say,

845
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: you just try to delay as much as possible. And

846
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: how do you delay that process. It's by hydrating and

847
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: drinking lots of water, some wine at night, and lots

848
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: of vegetables. So that's kind of like, you know, I

849
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: do some other things. I do some treatments, nothing invasive.

850
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: I have yet to inject myself because I'm just petrified

851
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: of the needles. Yeah, so I mean this is you

852
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: can see I can move.

853
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: No, I'm looking at you. Your face moves. Mine does too.

854
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: But I have had botox. Yeah, you've done it a

855
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: couple of times. Yeah, I've done it a couple of times.

856
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: I think the last time I did it was like

857
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: I think six months ago.

858
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: Okay, she didn't take me to that appointment.

859
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: No, that was when I called you. That was with

860
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: doctor Jason Diamond. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's right.

861
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: He is great. It was the first time I've ever

862
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: been to him, that you went to him. He's great.

863
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: He's so light handed that a lot of my friends

864
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: go to him, and he's lovely. He understands the skin

865
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: very well. He understands muscles. That's the one thing that

866
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: people really don't understand that you can really you need

867
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: to understand. There's so many things happening, there's so many

868
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: little muscles and nerves in the face that you inject

869
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: someone wrong. So that's why you're going to go for it.

870
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm not disapproving, just goes somewhere where the person understands.

871
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: Plastic surgeons are great at the baby boatox that's what

872
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: they call it.

873
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: So I have I have, I've had a plastic surgeon

874
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: besides doctor Diamond do potox, and it was horrible, like

875
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: so bad. I walked in that like two days later,

876
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: like my husband looked at me and said, what did

877
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: you do to your I know, I'm I don't know

878
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: because we're not divorced yet. We're in the middle of

879
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: a doorce, so I never know what to call him.

880
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: It's okay, he's still a husband. He was like, what

881
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: did you do to your face? Like my like my

882
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: nose wouldn't even move. It was terrible. And then a

883
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: friend of mine suggested this other guy, doctor Bradley Freedman,

884
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 1: who is great. He's on Peko and like a really

885
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: small little there's totally understands like the muscle and how

886
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: to hit. And then and then I went to Diamond

887
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: because I wanted to get like an overall sort of assessment.

888
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to be told like that I didn't need

889
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: a facelift, you know. I like went in to be like, oh,

890
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm here. For a face of consult and what I

891
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: wanted to hear was like, no, you don't need any one.

892
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: In stead, what I heard was, oh, you're a great

893
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: candidate for it, and I was like, no, not yet.

894
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:56,479
Speaker 1: It petrifies me, but that'll be an interesting moment in life.

895
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: Oh God, I don't know. I can make fun of you,

896
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: so you know, I don't know when they put that

897
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: wrap around your face, it really I will. You're in

898
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: the wheelchair, and I'll make fun of you the whole way.

899
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to come out like a different person.

900
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: That's what you really have to frightens me.

901
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: You know, there's technologies amazing these days. By the time

902
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: you actually get the gods to do it, which will

903
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: be another tenure, you don't even have to do that.

904
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: The technology will be so advanced, it'll be so easy.

905
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 1: And you know, it's just I do believe.

906
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: I like that whole theory of like starting early on

907
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: doing little tiny things to your skin if it matters. Yeah,

908
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: you know, I think that's there's nothing wrong with that.

909
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything wrong with anything.

910
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: Like do what makes you happy, right, And that's the thing, right,

911
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: is that there's such a sort of stigma of women

912
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: who people you know, they get the bowtops and they

913
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: get the lips done and they get a facelift, and

914
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 1: then they want to deny that they got any work done,

915
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: and and or people judge them and are like, you

916
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: got work done well first off, if they don't want

917
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: to tell you, it's not your business, like leave them

918
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: alone is my first thing. I watch it on Instagram

919
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: a lot where certain girls get accused all the time,

920
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's called filters. I'm like, yeah, by

921
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: the way, it's filters, a lot of filters. And but

922
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: it's also like it's none of your business, Like who cares.

923
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: It's up to you to be your own individual It's

924
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: not up to them to teach you how to be

925
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: an individuals.

926
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: And all these things can be private, not private. It's

927
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: it's all also, but it's also how you present yourself,

928
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: right because there's a movement right now of all these

929
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: people magically getting very skinny and they're like, oh, I

930
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: just drink this and.

931
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: Pick movement like all it like it is. I mean,

932
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: it's very unrealistic. You do not have diabetes and shoot

933
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: you up with something that listens for diabetes to ease

934
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: your own, but don't go and promote your workout line

935
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: right and your supplements asked to how you got that thing?

936
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: That's unfair, that's unhealthy for our children watching you and

937
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: following you. One hundred percent, that's my only problem. I

938
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: don't care if you want to shoot yourself with oozempic

939
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: every day you go for it. Here's the warning signs

940
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: you still want to do it, be my guest, but

941
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: do not lie to the children that are following you

942
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: by telling them that please take this upplement and do

943
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: this workout for fifteen minutes, because no workout for fifteen

944
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: minutes is crap, right, Because because people are impression makes

945
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: me angry. Can you see how my mood change? But

946
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: you're but you're right because you have a daughter who's

947
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: right in that age group of being, you know, impressed

948
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: by certain people and wanting to impressionable, wanting to look

949
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: like them. And guess what, I'm a lot older than

950
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: your daughter, just in case you didn't know, and I'm impressionable. Yeah, Like,

951
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: I don't mind. I look at women and I'm like,

952
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: how did they get that butt? How did they get

953
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: that face? Oh? I need to do their workout I

954
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: need to do this, and let me tell you. I'll

955
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: try for like a month and I'm like, yeah, nothing's changed.

956
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: Seven minute workout like doesn't work, doesn't hard work, We'll

957
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: pay off. Anyone can lose anything they want. Anyone can

958
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: build their best version of their body. But it takes

959
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: a lot of effort. So that's the only part I

960
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: have an issue with. Talk about the fact that it

961
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: takes a lot of work. I work out.

962
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: Listen, I go on and off. I've been on my

963
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: back door working now since I got better from my

964
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: crazy ear issue. I'm going on three month. This is

965
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: a hard one for me, and I'm curious of what

966
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: you think. As you know, like my hair has been

967
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: a struggle, particularly since like I started, so, I had

968
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: brain surgery in January, followed by brain radiation, lost some

969
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: of my hair from that, but also the texture of

970
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: my hair was a.

971
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: Text At some point there were we may have to

972
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: shave my head again, right, and then I'm on you know,

973
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: infusions and again every single three weeks. And you know,

974
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: it was only supposed to call light cause light shedding.

975
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: It did more than light shedding. And as you know,

976
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: I wore a hat NonStop to like cover it up,

977
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: and I got cigare wearing a hat and I found

978
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: this place that does It's called an interlace system. Okay,

979
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: Essentially it's a weave, right There's it's different than extensions

980
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: because extensions have a certain amount of metal in them

981
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: and I have to get MRIs all the time, so

982
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: I can't have any metal. Okay, So it's it's basically

983
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: like you know, a mesh with breathable holes that they

984
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: whatever hair you have left goes through. If you have

985
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: zero hair like some people, then they do tape. And

986
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, I my hair was down to hear with

987
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: this interlace system and it was too long for me.

988
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't manage it because I haven't had a hair

989
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: in a while, and so I got all this hair

990
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. I saw the other night. I

991
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 1: was like, whoa, yeah, and I'm you know, I'm getting

992
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: used to the feeling of hair again. That was my

993
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: first question, Oh my god, does it feel right? You

994
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: did ask me that on the phone on FaceTime, and

995
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: I was like, it all feels good, except like this

996
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: still feels like I'm wearing a little bit of a hat.

997
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: But it looks great. Thanks. I struggle with it. And

998
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: here's the reason why I struggle, because I feel I

999
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like it's my responsibility and that

1000
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: it's also what I'm most proud of about myself, to

1001
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 1: be fully authentic and transparent, but particularly when it comes

1002
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: to cancer, I feel a lot of responsibility and good

1003
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: responsibility right like I embrace it. But I have had

1004
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: thoughts in my head about like, am I being inauthentic

1005
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: right now? Am I? Am? I? Is my authenticity going

1006
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: to be?

1007
00:52:59,440 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: Is it?

1008
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: Is it in question by myself because I'm not embracing

1009
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: the full experience of going through what I'm going through

1010
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: and with so many other women are going through And

1011
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: like the first time, you know, we shaved my head

1012
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: or I wore a scarf. Sometimes I went out completely bald,

1013
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: but either way it was you know, this is me.

1014
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: This is what happens when you have cancer. And I

1015
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: think that just this time around, maybe it's going through

1016
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: a divorce, maybe it's being my age. Maybe I think

1017
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 1: you're thinking, maybe it's all of it. But I wanted

1018
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: to like, I'm trying to feel somewhat normal and I'm

1019
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: trying to like myself more. And I thought that having

1020
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: hair might help and to a certain degree. It really

1021
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: has helped. Like I'm like, oh, okay, I can be

1022
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: pretty sometimes right there. Okay, I thought that the fact

1023
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: that that's even going through your head, you're not being

1024
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: like true to yourself or you're not being like real.

1025
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: You're insane. You're like the most real person when it

1026
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 2: comes to sharing your cancer journey. You don't hide anything,

1027
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: like it's all up for grabs, literally, So I think

1028
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: you need to just and by the way, you might

1029
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: be getting some people the god to be like I'm

1030
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: gonna go do that way you shan't.

1031
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: Do it, I can do it. I mean, by the way,

1032
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: it is very It does lift you up a little bit.

1033
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: There has to lift at something about it.

1034
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: And having hair is part of a woman's feminine femininity.

1035
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: It is part of what makes you sexy. It is

1036
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: part of like going on a date and having pretty hair. Yeah,

1037
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 2: hair is so important.

1038
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: I meanwhile, your hair is growing underneath it, Like the

1039
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: system is such a good system that your hair grows

1040
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: so like hopefully it only gets better and better.

1041
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 2: It's amazing, Like the technology and all the things to

1042
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: make you people that are going through what you're going

1043
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 2: through make it a little easier because you you don't

1044
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: change a bit of how you're handling this and how

1045
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: you're sharing things. You are not an open book for

1046
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: the most part. So thank you, Thank you for having me.

1047
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: I love you, Thank you very blessed to have you

1048
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: in my life. Thank you for being on I love

1049
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 2: you all right, guys, thank you for listening. And that

1050
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: was Amory Court right, my beautiful, amazing, wonderful friend. And

1051
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: when I say beautiful, I truly do mean from the inside.

1052
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm her funniest and nicest friends. And that is also true.

1053
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: So thanks to listening to Let's Be Claire with Shannon

1054
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: Doherty and see you next time.