WEBVTT - Jeff McCracken Meets World 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:19.840 Do you guys play video games at all? 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:21.520 And not in years? 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:23.720 No, I haven't played in years either, But I do 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:25.520 really like them. I think one of the reasons I 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.040 don't play currently is because I have a hard time 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.080 putting them down, and so it's hard for me to 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:32.800 play for just like twenty or thirty minutes. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:34.640 I want to sit there and play for four hours. 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:35.000 Right. 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.320 I was good with an A button and a B button. 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.680 When they added the X button, I was, Nope, too much. 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.600 It's like math. It's like once you start adding in letters. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:44.920 What I've done? 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:45.479 Well? 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.840 Since since we I mean, video games have gotten insane. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.720 They are so good and they are so interesting. Yeah, 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:56.720 and I was teaching. I was just visiting a friend's 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.560 school and teaching students and meeting one on one with 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.160 some students. And I've given this lecture about writing, and 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.000 then this one of the students was like, have you 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.400 played some of the really more like experimental, like interesting games, 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.679 like storytelling games. I'm like no, And he gave me 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:16.319 some games, and these blew my mind. But they're great games. 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:17.720 But I have to tell you a story about one 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.040 of them. So, uh, the games like Firewatch, have you 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.440 heard about this? No, it's like it's a game where 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.880 you literally just are alone in the woods. You've lost 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.800 your wife to like early all set Onzhimer's, You've lost 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.000 your wife in a tragedy, and it's this beautiful video 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:35.880 game where you go to be a firewatcher in the 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.960 woods and you're just there and then like weird things 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.360 start happening and somebody's talking to you on the radio, 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.520 so it becomes this like mystery story, but it's really 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:45.760 just about getting over the loss of your wife and 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:46.440 this like trauma. 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:47.120 It's beautiful. 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.800 It's like Jerson says, he's played it and he loved 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.160 its close. The idea of me dying in Alheimer's and 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:54.240 being alone. 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.200 Was an accident, was a car you know it was? 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:58.160 It was anyway. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:01:59.400 Then there's just a matter. 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.400 I'm dead. He's happy, Okay. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.320 Then there's this incredible game that this student told me 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.360 about that I played, and this is why I'm talking 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:06.920 about it today. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:08.079 It's called Gone. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.240 Home, Okay, and it's the coolest game ever. All you 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.760 are you just it starts, it drops you off and 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.320 you are a college student, a young college student, like 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.520 you know, twenty two year old female coming home to 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.679 your house. After being away for college and you're coming 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.280 home to your house and your parents have left a 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.240 note on the door. Go on, and the note says like, uh, 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.320 you know, check the messages whatever. It just gives you 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.160 a little bit of information, and then the whole game 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.959 is you just figuring out what's happened to your sister 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.280 and where your parents are and what's happened in the 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.960 house while you've been gone. And it's set very specifically 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.399 in nineteen ninety three, I believe, so at one point 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.240 during this game, all you're doing is you're walking around, 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:45.080 you're picking things up, and. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:45.840 You're flipping through. 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.080 At one point during this game, there is a TV 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.840 guide on the table and I in the game, pick 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.239 it up, flip through it. Boy Meets World is listed 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.040 as playing that Friday to night, and I lost it. 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.720 I was like the weird're just like metow moment where 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.680 I'm like, I am a time, I'm like a college 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.560 student girl in this game and I'm. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.960 Looking at my TV show that I was on in the. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.320 TV Guy as a stage boy. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:11.399 It was sod. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.520 So I actually reached out to the creator because I 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.680 found you know, I was like, dude, this was the 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:17.840 you probably could get a lot of fan letters and stuff, 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.520 but I just wanted to reach out and say that. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.239 He wrote back, and he was great. He was like, yoh, yeah, 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:22.120 I totally watch moreto. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.079 So that's why I picked that page in the TV 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.080 Guy because it was like my show. It was like, 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.200 the level of detail in this game is so great, 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.120 you know, And it's basically like this crazy nostalgia trip 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.160 to like send you back to the nineties and a 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.000 very similar to Fireworks. Firewatch. It doesn't turn out to 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.880 be like this big dramatic mystery. It turns out to 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:45.120 be a very emotional, wonderful storyline. Highly recommend it. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:46.400 But yeah, isn't that a true? 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.920 Well, you know, it's also shooting video games now it's 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.640 like shooting a movie. So all my friends do this. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:52.520 They're all the top video game actors in the world, 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.000 and they're in full mo cap. They've got the guns, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.560 they're breaking down doors. I mean, it's like you're shooting 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.640 a film nowadays. So it's I mean, there's so much 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.680 it's there. Take costs hundreds. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.400 I mean, the style of shooting is like playing make 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:07.280 believe with your friends. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.000 Yes, you can be anything. 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.760 You can be like a cyborg person or whatever. But 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.400 and you're just sitting around in giant green suits. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:15.800 I love it. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:16.440 It's crazy. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.080 Hi, guys, can I this is a husband of the 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.000 podcast producer Jensen carp. Can I suggest another video game 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:22.960 while you're talking about them? 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:23.240 Yeah? 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:23.800 Of course. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.600 There's a game called untitled Goose Game. Do you guys 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:32.760 know about this? You you become just a very angry goose, 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.600 and you you travel around a farm town and a 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.240 different neighborhood, and your whole entire job in the game 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.119 is to annoy residents of the town. As a goose, 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:46.240 I love you steal their crops, you steal their clothes, 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.240 you attack them, you do whatever you see. The entire 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.240 goal is to cause chaos as a goose. 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.360 Are these all the consoles? Like what? 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.000 I don't think are on consoles? I played them on 0:04:59.000 --> 0:04:59.440 my computer. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.560 You go, like a Firewatch, did end up on consoles 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.400 eventually as like a digital purchase, But they start on PC. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.120 But these games all end up on Xbox and PlayStation eventually. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.400 I don't even own a PC. I couldn't play if 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:13.960 I wanted to. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:15.760 No, No, I don't. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.000 Either, anyway, that's my contribution Goose game. 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.440 Love it someone stole that from the Very Serious Goose book. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.280 What I can tell do you guys know that book 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.120 The Serious Goose. Jimmy Kimmel wrote a book called The 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.599 Serious Serious Goose, and it's all about how this is 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.680 a very serious goose. Do not even try to make 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.520 this goose laugh. This goose will not laugh. This goose 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.360 is very very serious, is strictly business. It shows him 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.080 reading like a newspaper all about goose news, and it's 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:47.599 just a very serious goose. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.440 And then about halfway through the book, it's like, what's that. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.400 Oh you think you can get this goose, this goose 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.960 to laugh. Oh, I don't think so, but go ahead try. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.360 And then there's like a mirror page and your kid 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.760 looks at it and it's like, go ahead, make funny faces, 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:00.560 give it a shot. 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.400 This this goose will not giggle. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.279 And you're supposed to like make all these funny faces 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.400 and make these sounds. And then it's like see, I 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.800 told you, And then the goose starts to break and 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.320 it's like, wait, what's that? 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:11.520 What is happening? 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:11.880 What? 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.320 You are a very silly kid. And then the goose 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:19.000 ends up, of course, becoming a silly goose and it 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.120 ends with you will be hearing from our attorneys. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.560 It's very cute. It's a very cute, just. 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.840 A boy meets World video game where you can play 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.240 one of our characters. It's like what Sean does after 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.880 he sneaks. I want to you can if you'd like. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.680 I think you could play to Panga. 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.760 Though no, no, I really want to be yasmine bleeth, 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.520 which actually I would like to tell talk to you 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:47.000 guys about. In the episode that we reviewed the Thriller 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.400 in Philae, I was like, I'm not even in this scene, 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.880 no memory of it. Well, I'm in the front row. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.479 We heard, yeah, yeah, I'm there. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:56.680 Never never. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.200 Ever given a featured shot, never even not a reaction shot. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.640 I'm just in the background in apparently the front row. 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:11.360 Someone sent me screenshots of me very obviously there. I 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.480 have less than zero of a memory of any any 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:16.760 single part, because you obviously. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.120 Didn't have any lines, so you were just starting to 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:19.080 be there. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.440 And it was probably a very long shoot because that 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.920 was a long scene and a ton going on, and 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.560 so I probably just was asleep behind my eyes. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.000 And this was also pre you really being a professional 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.920 wrestling fan. Correct, So had you had this been years later, 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.640 you would have remembered every single thing that happened. 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:36.520 Absolutely. 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.000 Had this been ninety nine or even two thousand, I 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:39.880 wouldn't have remembered it. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.840 But I thought you're gonna say Yasmine. Bleath reached out 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.320 to say she was in fact not on boy me 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:46.480 Toyer No. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:51.200 I wish. I wish that happened too, but yeah, I don't. 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.200 I somehow managed to forget Vader being there, Robert Gulay 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.800 Adam kissing yas Me and Bleef, the wrestling moves, you 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.240 being lifted over Vader's head. 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:03.680 I just that, so anyway we were there. Memories, yeah, exactly. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.120 It was not a fun day like I remember it being. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.600 I mean, maybe it was, you will, it was, oh 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.240 my god. I remember it being so overwhelmed and not 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:12.880 knowing what was happening. And I don't know if it 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.360 was what was if anything actually went wrong, or if 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.480 I was just stressed out, but I just remember it 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.119 being like, really not great. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.000 I like the energy of the chaos, because we get 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:23.800 that at our live shows, where we don't know what 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.400 we're doing and we rehearsed for five minutes before we're 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.520 going to start, and there's something about I don't know 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.240 what's going to It's like, yeah, I love It's a good. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.439 Energy to have if you can, if you can bottle it, right, 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.880 But yeah, man, like I was not comfortable. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.640 But we probably also shot that in sections. Now we're 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:41.360 going to do this chunk. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.000 Now we're going to do that chunk where what what 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.360 feels like a long flowing scene is actually taking you 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.840 four hours to shoot in Mini Chunks, And so that 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.400 probably added to the stress of the day because you're like, 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.440 you shoot for an hour and all you've done is 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:55.320 a quarter of a page. 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:59.480 Yeah, I'd also like to maybe propose our new band 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:00.920 name being mini Chunks. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.520 Wait, we have a band, Well, we're going to do soon. 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:04.760 That was the other thing we talk about. 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.480 Event we're going to do ti Udeo game time Machine 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.640 band and the band called Minichunks. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:11.200 I love it. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.160 Mini Chunks is not bad and we're all kind of 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:15.720 mini right, It's not bad. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:17.880 You can it could even be four hour Minichunks if 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.160 we wanted to get more meta with it. 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:20.960 But that's kind of sweet. 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:22.679 It makes me think of vomit. 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:27.480 Exactly exactly, especially if you say four hour minichunks. 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.160 Now I'm peeking for four hours. 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.400 And ah just like our first album. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.440 All Right, welcome to Minichunks Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:48.760 I'm Riger Strong, and I'm Will Fordell. So out of 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:52.040 all the names that get repeated here on this podcast 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.160 week to week, there are a few who, just by 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.040 their mirror mention, bring a wave of happiness and safety 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.360 and comfort to the three of us. When you're a 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:02.840 child actor, you look to the adults around you, especially 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.079 those in power, to help you understand this weird world 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.280 you've entered, and our guest this week was an absolute 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.240 guiding light. He joined us as a director in season two, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:16.520 a job he was credited with over fifty times through 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.080 the end of the show, making him the director with 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.360 the most Boy Meets Worlds in his name, and an 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:26.000 executive producer for seasons four through seven. A former US 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.960 Air Force sergeant, he began his Hollywood career as an actor, 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.600 appearing in movies like The One Man Jury with Jack 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:35.000 Palance and on TV shows like Saint Elsewhere, Thirty Something, 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.880 and The Hitchhiker. He would eventually find himself working with 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:40.800 Michael Jacobs at Disney, where he developed and produced not 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.040 only Boy Meets World, but Dinosaurs, the torkl Sins, and 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.280 the award winning movie Quiz Show. 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:48.000 Oh, I love It's like one of my favorites of 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.200 all time. That's a great, amazing film. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.240 He went on to direct episodes of NYPD Blue and 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.800 Sweet Life of Zach and Cody, Smart Guy, and so 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.199 much more, and then he started teaching at NYU's Twish 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:01.440 School in two thousand and eight. 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:03.000 But these days he's. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:07.480 Living in Connecticut working on incredible original paintings and where 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.680 I'm assuming he also churns his own butter. 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:11.160 Okay, but I don't know that for sure. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:15.520 Okay, he's so incredible. You guys have seen all of 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:16.199 his paintings. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.400 Yeah, I actually have not what I want one I want, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.240 I want, I want one to want. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:22.720 Really, I think they're. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:23.400 Very hard to get. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.760 I'm hoping that today we get to like put ourselves 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.040 to the top of a list or something. 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.240 I think he auctions them for charity. I mean there, 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.320 he's a legit artist. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:34.240 I know, writer, I'm not. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.280 I can't even get through the rest of this intro 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.400 without having to show without showing you some. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:42.840 Of it because you will love it. Yeah, indile, no 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:44.320 big deal, that's just his painting. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.520 Oh wow, yeah, no, they're amazing. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.840 That's great, amazing, truly incredible. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:50.760 Find them? 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:51.560 Can I google him? 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.480 Yeah, well he has an Instagram Jeff McCracken art. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:55.480 Wow. 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.360 Yes, go to Jeff McCracken art and watch that. 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.400 I mean, I hope this airs after we've already been 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.080 able to secure ourselves a piece, because now we're going 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:03.559 to send so many people to this guys. 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.480 It is unbelievable. And he does a lot of like. 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:10.560 New York subway pieces of just like real people he 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:11.360 sees on the subway. 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.320 It's just absolutely beautiful. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.480 Okay, Anyway, what a show off this guy, right, he's 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.400 like good at everything. So we are honored to welcome 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:23.119 a very very important person in our lives to this podcast, 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.720 someone who lives very close to our hearts. Please welcome 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:33.880 Jeff McCracken to Pod meets World. 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:38.040 So good. I'm listening to your podcast, and I gotta say, 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.040 you guys are just it's well so wonderful to hear 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:46.840 you guys recap and talk about your experiences and and 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.640 you know, now versus then, and it's just, uh, you know, 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.400 you're basically growing up all over again. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.439 It's really you must want to jump in at times, right, 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:55.319 do you ever want to like? 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.679 That is not what happens to Actually, you know, you 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.920 guys really pretty spot on. I think some of the 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:07.319 other people that like I've probably heard every one of them, 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:11.439 and it's wonderful to hear different perspectives from maybe but 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.520 you know it's it's the Rashaman of the show, you know. Yes, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.280 it's really great, really right. 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.600 Yeah, we in your intro, I talked about your incredible art, 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:26.320 and I writer was not aware of your Instagram so 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.280 I was like, I can't even finish this intro without 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.520 showing him, So I sent him to your Instagram page. 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.760 I also shared your art Instagram page with all of 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.280 our with all of our dear listeners. 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:36.440 That's very sweet things. 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.400 And I see that you have some of your art 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:38.840 behind you. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:39.079 Are you? 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:40.160 Are you in your art room? 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:42.080 I'm in my studio right now. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:43.160 Yeah, your studio. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.400 That's my religioest thing I'm working on right now. I 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.920 just just started that the other day. 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.760 So yeah, are these for sale? Can we get one 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:51.080 of these? 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.800 You know, guys, I you know, here's the thing about 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.959 the art. You know, it's freely for me. You know, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.760 I spent forty years in the business, you know, working 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.880 for other people, doing this, compromising for that, you know, 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.600 And so this was really for me. And and I 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.560 have a curator in New York who wants to represent 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.160 me and put me in galleries and do shows and stuff. 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.400 But I told her, look, I only got about thirty 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.960 thirty five paintings right now, and when I get one 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.840 hundred paintings, then I'll just release them and you can 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.640 do whatever you want with them, and then and then 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.320 I won't have to worry about the business. 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.040 Right for a gallery, you want to still do it 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:27.000 for its own sake. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:28.640 I want to keep it free and clear for me, 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.400 you know. Great, And it's just what it is, you know. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.760 I'm not I'm not I'm into it for fame or 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.360 glory or money or anything. I just it's really just 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.400 for me at this point. It gives me such great pleasure, 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.440 something I've always wanted to do, as I've always been 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:45.520 involved with my entire life, you know, and it fits 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.800 and starts, you know, in the business. I have no time. 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:54.320 But but yeah, once again showing your just selfish nature 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.440 right exactly that you've always had. 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.800 Correct, I'm a narcissist. 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.800 The opposite, the opposite. 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.760 We also mentioned in your intro that you were a 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.080 sergeant in the Air Force. How did you go from 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.840 being a sergeant in the Air Force to being an actor? 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:20.640 Well, it's so funny because it leads right into meeting Michael. 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.600 I was while I was in the Air Force, I 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.720 took college courses just to you know, maintain my sanity, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.600 and and a one course I was during the Vietnam War. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.800 I thought, here's a great way to meet girls, taking 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:37.200 an acting class. And so I wanted to be an architect, 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.800 and so I took an engineering course and an acting class. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:41.960 And the engineering course I found out you needed math, 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.120 be really good at math or succeeded that. So that 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.760 was an no go and so uh, but the acting 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.400 thing was really fun. And even though I was still 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.480 considered a pig by most of the students because I 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.800 was in you know, in the Air Force, in the military, 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:04.400 I would do these and the teacher, professor named Andrew Heppern, 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:05.880 he came up to me and said, at the end 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.640 of it, you know, you really got something here. Here's 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.640 what I want you to do. Don't you think about it. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:12.280 I just want you to do this. I want you 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.240 to go to New York City and go to the 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.880 Neighborhood Playhouse with Sanford Meisner. Don't think about it, just 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.280 do it and give it a year see if it's 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.960 for you. And he said to me, I just went Okay. 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.480 It was like a light bulb, you know. So then 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:31.120 I interviewed with Sandy Meisner, who is the guru of 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.600 the school from the Group Theater, and he he asked me, 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.240 he said, so, why you want to be an actor? 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:43.720 And I'm gonna fail. Yeah, I really don't know. And 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.520 he said, well, then good, come here in the fall 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.840 and find out. He didn't want he didn't want a 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:53.160 preconceived you know, dialogue or you know, a monologue about 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.280 why I wanted to be an actor. In fact, Dustin 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.600 Hoffman had done earlier. He had gone in there and 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:03.080 did the whole you know, rigamarar and and Sandy said, no, 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.720 I can't teach you. You already know everything. You already 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.000 think you know everything, right, So yeah. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.280 Well, allow me to name drop some other people who 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.160 came out of the Neighborhood Playhouse School of Theater. Robert Duval, 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:18.720 Alison Janney, Diane Keaton, Christopher Lloyd, Gregory Peck and Grace 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:20.280 Kelly just if you alarmed me. 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:24.119 Yeah, it's it's an amazing queen to come on, you're 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.560 the coolest man to ever walk the planet. 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.280 Gregory Peck. No, this this, this was an amazing school 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.200 and and Sant was an amazing teacher. And we'll get 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.680 into that. Uh, you know, because I want to talk 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.879 to you about what, you know, what brought me to 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:43.120 you working with you guys, and how and how it 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:47.600 informed everything you know and unknown's to you you didn't 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.639 really know what was going on, but I was like, 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.040 you know, the marionette player, trying to get behavior from 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.760 you guys in very surreptitious ways. And you didn't even 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:57.760 what was going on because you're kids, you really know, 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:02.919 but it was it's it's a one wonderful foundation for 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.840