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Speaker 1: Do you guys play video games at all?

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Speaker 2: And not in years?

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't played in years either, But I do

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Speaker 3: really like them. I think one of the reasons I

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Speaker 3: don't play currently is because I have a hard time

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Speaker 3: putting them down, and so it's hard for me to

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Speaker 3: play for just like twenty or thirty minutes.

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Speaker 4: I want to sit there and play for four hours.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 6: I was good with an A button and a B button.

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Speaker 6: When they added the X button, I was, Nope, too much.

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Speaker 4: It's like math. It's like once you start adding in letters.

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Speaker 2: What I've done?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 1: Since since we I mean, video games have gotten insane.

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Speaker 1: They are so good and they are so interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I was teaching. I was just visiting a friend's

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Speaker 1: school and teaching students and meeting one on one with

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Speaker 1: some students. And I've given this lecture about writing, and

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Speaker 1: then this one of the students was like, have you

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Speaker 1: played some of the really more like experimental, like interesting games,

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Speaker 1: like storytelling games. I'm like no, And he gave me

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Speaker 1: some games, and these blew my mind. But they're great games.

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Speaker 1: But I have to tell you a story about one

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Speaker 1: of them. So, uh, the games like Firewatch, have you

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Speaker 1: heard about this? No, it's like it's a game where

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Speaker 1: you literally just are alone in the woods. You've lost

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Speaker 1: your wife to like early all set Onzhimer's, You've lost

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Speaker 1: your wife in a tragedy, and it's this beautiful video

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Speaker 1: game where you go to be a firewatcher in the

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Speaker 1: woods and you're just there and then like weird things

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Speaker 1: so it becomes this like mystery story, but it's really

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Speaker 1: just about getting over the loss of your wife and

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Speaker 1: this like trauma.

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Speaker 5: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: It's like Jerson says, he's played it and he loved

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Speaker 3: its close. The idea of me dying in Alheimer's and

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Speaker 3: being alone.

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Speaker 1: Was an accident, was a car you know it was?

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Speaker 7: It was anyway.

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Speaker 1: Then there's just a matter.

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Speaker 4: I'm dead. He's happy, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Then there's this incredible game that this student told me

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Speaker 1: about that I played, and this is why I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about it today.

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Speaker 7: It's called Gone.

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Speaker 1: Home, Okay, and it's the coolest game ever. All you

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Speaker 1: are you just it starts, it drops you off and

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Speaker 1: you are a college student, a young college student, like

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Speaker 1: you know, twenty two year old female coming home to

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Speaker 1: your house. After being away for college and you're coming

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Speaker 1: home to your house and your parents have left a

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Speaker 1: note on the door. Go on, and the note says like, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, check the messages whatever. It just gives you

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Speaker 1: a little bit of information, and then the whole game

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Speaker 1: is you just figuring out what's happened to your sister

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Speaker 1: and where your parents are and what's happened in the

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Speaker 1: house while you've been gone. And it's set very specifically

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three, I believe, so at one point

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Speaker 1: during this game, all you're doing is you're walking around,

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Speaker 1: you're picking things up, and.

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Speaker 7: You're flipping through.

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Speaker 1: At one point during this game, there is a TV

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Speaker 1: guide on the table and I in the game, pick

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Speaker 1: it up, flip through it. Boy Meets World is listed

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Speaker 1: as playing that Friday to night, and I lost it.

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Speaker 1: I was like the weird're just like metow moment where

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I am a time, I'm like a college

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Speaker 1: student girl in this game and I'm.

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Speaker 7: Looking at my TV show that I was on in the.

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Speaker 4: TV Guy as a stage boy.

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Speaker 7: It was sod.

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Speaker 1: So I actually reached out to the creator because I

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Speaker 1: found you know, I was like, dude, this was the

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Speaker 1: you probably could get a lot of fan letters and stuff,

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Speaker 1: but I just wanted to reach out and say that.

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Speaker 7: He wrote back, and he was great. He was like, yoh, yeah,

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Speaker 7: I totally watch moreto.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I picked that page in the TV

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Speaker 1: Guy because it was like my show. It was like,

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Speaker 1: the level of detail in this game is so great,

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Speaker 1: you know, And it's basically like this crazy nostalgia trip

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Speaker 1: to like send you back to the nineties and a

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Speaker 1: very similar to Fireworks. Firewatch. It doesn't turn out to

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Speaker 1: be like this big dramatic mystery. It turns out to

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Speaker 1: be a very emotional, wonderful storyline. Highly recommend it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, isn't that a true?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's also shooting video games now it's

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Speaker 6: like shooting a movie. So all my friends do this.

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Speaker 6: They're all the top video game actors in the world,

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Speaker 6: and they're in full mo cap. They've got the guns,

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Speaker 6: they're breaking down doors. I mean, it's like you're shooting

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Speaker 6: a film nowadays. So it's I mean, there's so much

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Speaker 6: it's there. Take costs hundreds.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the style of shooting is like playing make

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Speaker 1: believe with your friends.

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Speaker 7: Yes, you can be anything.

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Speaker 1: You can be like a cyborg person or whatever. But

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Speaker 1: and you're just sitting around in giant green suits.

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Speaker 7: I love it.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 8: Hi, guys, can I this is a husband of the

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Speaker 8: podcast producer Jensen carp. Can I suggest another video game

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Speaker 8: while you're talking about them?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 8: There's a game called untitled Goose Game. Do you guys

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Speaker 8: know about this? You you become just a very angry goose,

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Speaker 8: and you you travel around a farm town and a

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Speaker 8: different neighborhood, and your whole entire job in the game

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Speaker 8: is to annoy residents of the town. As a goose,

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Speaker 8: I love you steal their crops, you steal their clothes,

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Speaker 8: you attack them, you do whatever you see. The entire

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Speaker 8: goal is to cause chaos as a goose.

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Speaker 2: Are these all the consoles? Like what?

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Speaker 1: I don't think are on consoles? I played them on

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Speaker 1: my computer.

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Speaker 8: You go, like a Firewatch, did end up on consoles

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Speaker 8: eventually as like a digital purchase, But they start on PC.

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Speaker 8: But these games all end up on Xbox and PlayStation eventually.

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Speaker 4: I don't even own a PC. I couldn't play if

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Speaker 4: I wanted to.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I don't.

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Speaker 8: Either, anyway, that's my contribution Goose game.

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Speaker 3: Love it someone stole that from the Very Serious Goose book.

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Speaker 3: What I can tell do you guys know that book

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Speaker 3: The Serious Goose. Jimmy Kimmel wrote a book called The

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Speaker 3: Serious Serious Goose, and it's all about how this is

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Speaker 3: a very serious goose. Do not even try to make

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Speaker 3: this goose laugh. This goose will not laugh. This goose

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Speaker 3: is very very serious, is strictly business. It shows him

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Speaker 4: And then about halfway through the book, it's like, what's that.

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Speaker 3: Oh you think you can get this goose, this goose

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Speaker 3: to laugh. Oh, I don't think so, but go ahead try.

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Speaker 3: And then there's like a mirror page and your kid

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Speaker 3: looks at it and it's like, go ahead, make funny faces,

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Speaker 4: This this goose will not giggle.

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Speaker 3: And you're supposed to like make all these funny faces

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Speaker 3: and make these sounds. And then it's like see, I

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Speaker 3: told you, And then the goose starts to break and

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Speaker 3: it's like, wait, what's that?

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Speaker 4: What is happening?

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 3: You are a very silly kid. And then the goose

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Speaker 3: ends up, of course, becoming a silly goose and it

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Speaker 3: ends with you will be hearing from our attorneys.

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Speaker 4: It's very cute. It's a very cute, just.

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Speaker 6: A boy meets World video game where you can play

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Speaker 6: one of our characters. It's like what Sean does after

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Speaker 6: he sneaks. I want to you can if you'd like.

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Speaker 6: I think you could play to Panga.

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Speaker 3: Though no, no, I really want to be yasmine bleeth,

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Speaker 3: which actually I would like to tell talk to you

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Speaker 3: guys about. In the episode that we reviewed the Thriller

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Speaker 3: in Philae, I was like, I'm not even in this scene,

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Speaker 3: no memory of it. Well, I'm in the front row.

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Speaker 3: We heard, yeah, yeah, I'm there.

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Speaker 4: Never never.

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Speaker 3: Ever given a featured shot, never even not a reaction shot.

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Speaker 3: I'm just in the background in apparently the front row.

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Speaker 3: Someone sent me screenshots of me very obviously there. I

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Speaker 3: single part, because you obviously.

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Speaker 1: Didn't have any lines, so you were just starting to

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Speaker 3: And it was probably a very long shoot because that

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Speaker 6: And this was also pre you really being a professional

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Speaker 6: wrestling fan. Correct, So had you had this been years later,

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Speaker 6: you would have remembered every single thing that happened.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Had this been ninety nine or even two thousand, I

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Speaker 6: But I thought you're gonna say Yasmine. Bleath reached out

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Speaker 4: I wish. I wish that happened too, but yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I somehow managed to forget Vader being there, Robert Gulay

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Speaker 4: I just that, so anyway we were there. Memories, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: It was not a fun day like I remember it being.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it was, you will, it was, oh

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Speaker 6: I like the energy of the chaos, because we get

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Speaker 6: that at our live shows, where we don't know what

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Speaker 6: what's going to It's like, yeah, I love It's a good.

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Speaker 1: Energy to have if you can, if you can bottle it, right,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, man, like I was not comfortable.

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Speaker 4: But we probably also shot that in sections. Now we're

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Speaker 3: Now we're going to do that chunk where what what

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Speaker 3: feels like a long flowing scene is actually taking you

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Speaker 3: four hours to shoot in Mini Chunks, And so that

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Speaker 3: probably added to the stress of the day because you're like,

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Speaker 3: you shoot for an hour and all you've done is

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Speaker 3: a quarter of a page.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd also like to maybe propose our new band

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Speaker 6: name being mini Chunks.

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Speaker 4: Wait, we have a band, Well, we're going to do soon.

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Speaker 2: That was the other thing we talk about.

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Speaker 6: Event we're going to do ti Udeo game time Machine

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Speaker 6: band and the band called Minichunks.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 4: Mini Chunks is not bad and we're all kind of

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Speaker 4: mini right, It's not bad.

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Speaker 6: You can it could even be four hour Minichunks if

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Speaker 6: we wanted to get more meta with it.

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Speaker 2: But that's kind of sweet.

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Speaker 7: It makes me think of vomit.

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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, especially if you say four hour minichunks.

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Speaker 3: All Right, welcome to Minichunks Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel,

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Speaker 3: I'm Riger Strong, and I'm Will Fordell. So out of

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Speaker 3: Okay, he's so incredible. You guys have seen all of

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Speaker 6: I think he auctions them for charity. I mean there,

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Speaker 4: Of it because you will love it. Yeah, indile, no

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Speaker 4: That's great, amazing, truly incredible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well he has an Instagram Jeff McCracken art.

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Speaker 4: It is unbelievable. And he does a lot of like.

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Speaker 5: So good. I'm listening to your podcast, and I gotta say,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we in your intro, I talked about your incredible art,

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Speaker 5: That's very sweet things.

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Speaker 4: And I see that you have some of your art

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Speaker 5: became good friends after that and and that's how we met.

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00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 3: So wow, yeah, yeah, Okay, So I want to get

443
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,120
Speaker 3: So you're in the neighborhood school. Then from there, how

444
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 3: do you get into TV and film? Where does your

445
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 3: acting career start?

446
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 5: Wow? Well, what I it's a real wild story. I am.

447
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 5: I was in New York. I was invited back for

448
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 5: the second year in their playhouse, and I left her

449
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 5: in the second year because my grandmother had gotten sick

450
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,919
Speaker 5: in California, and so I went out there to she

451
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 5: didn't have anybody so I went out to California to

452
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 5: take care of her. And when I was out there,

453
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 5: I was twenty one.

454
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 1: Okay, wait two geez.

455
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I uh yeah, twenty two. And I went

456
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 5: out there and and I was taking care of her.

457
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,439
Speaker 5: She did the North Hollywood and I was working at

458
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 5: this restaurant called Josephine's and uh and it was a

459
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 5: great place on Ventura Boulevard, Woodman and Ja Ventura and

460
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 5: uh so I am a great bunch of waiters in

461
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,159
Speaker 5: this place. And h one night, this guy was sitting

462
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 5: in the booth with two blonds. It's the Italian guy

463
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 5: with two blonds. And I'm looking at this guy, going

464
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 5: I know that guy. Oh, that's the loan shark from

465
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 5: the guy from Rocky and so, because Rocky had just

466
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 5: come out, it was a big hit. And so I

467
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 5: walked over to him. I said, hey, you're you're you're

468
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 5: from You're in the movie Rocky. He goes, hey, yeah,

469
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 5: yeah I am. And so he goes, are you an

470
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 5: active kid? They said yeah? He goes, well, what's your background?

471
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 5: I said, I which team? Oute neighborhood plaofs Oh, you're

472
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 5: a real actor. I go, well, now I don't haven't

473
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 5: done anything yet. He goes, well, you want to do

474
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 5: something and I was like, okay, right right. He said, no,

475
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 5: I want you to be uh in this movie I'm

476
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 5: doing with Jack Palance. Come on down in an audition

477
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 5: for a small roll one line. We'll get you your card.

478
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 5: And I go, okay, you know, I'm like crazy, I'm

479
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, how does this gonna work? So next

480
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 5: day I show up at this as the studio and

481
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 5: I auditioned for the uh the uh the director and

482
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 5: he says, kid, I want you to read for the

483
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 5: lead in the film opposite Jack and uh. And Joe

484
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 5: was like, chart it, We've already cast that role. He goes,

485
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 5: I don't care. I want to see this kid read

486
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 5: for the lead. And so uh it was the lead psycho.

487
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 5: It must have been something that I did. I don't know. Anyway,

488
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 5: he goes, uh, go out and improvise the scene with

489
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 5: Joe and then come back in and we'll do it.

490
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 5: And so I did that with Joe and we did

491
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 5: the whole thing and where Pounce beats me up and

492
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 5: gets a confession out of me and he hires me

493
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 5: on the spot. Yeah, and that's how I got my break.

494
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: Isn't it And somebody goes, I like your luck, kid, I.

495
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 5: Know it's it was. It's the most Hollywood story. And

496
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 5: I still didn't believe it. And then when I was

497
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 5: doing the movie, the guys did, Like Tony so Rico

498
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 5: from Sopranos, he came up to old Richie Faranji, Oh,

499
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 5: he's got to tell you guys, and they kept saying, hey, man,

500
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 5: you're phenomenal, You're great. You could an Academy Award for this.

501
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, really, Jesus, wow, I must be. Well, okay,

502
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 5: it's cool, but I am you know, I'm not go

503
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 5: over my head. And so but you know, you're you

504
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 5: have that hope and with Jack Palance and and we

505
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 5: had some great scenes together and whatnot. And so I uh,

506
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 5: I go to the premiere with my girlfriend. I'm thinking, oh,

507
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 5: this is great. This is gonna be phenomenal. And you know,

508
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 5: right off the bat, when a movie starts to you

509
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 5: go the music in the tone and you're looking at it,

510
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 5: You're going, okay, I don't, I don't could be, And

511
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 5: then five minutes of the film you realize I'm in

512
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 5: the horrible film. Oh no, I mean the worst film

513
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 5: probably ever made. So yeah, so and I'm a killer.

514
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 5: I'm slashing women and I'm doing I'm sniffing panties and

515
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 5: I'm it's just it's the worst thing. I'm telling you.

516
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 5: If you ever a chance to watch it, it's pretty

517
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 5: it's pretty horrific. But I so anyway, I I I

518
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 5: but but that was my my my baptism into Hollywood.

519
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 5: And and I never forget it because it was a

520
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 5: great it less than humility, understanding the fragility of the business. Yeah, really,

521
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 5: did I get a job by after that? No, you know,

522
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 5: he made me introducing but it was like a real baptism,

523
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 5: you know. And it was really something that was really

524
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 5: great for me because it taught me and never take

525
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 5: anything for granted.

526
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 6: So okay, wait, so then I'm not to date you,

527
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 6: but I want to get just kind of the time

528
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 6: in Hollywood Rocky came out. So this is what seventy seven,

529
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 6: seventy right around seventy seven in Hollywood.

530
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so dreams still came true in Hollywood at the time.

531
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 5: No, Yeah, it was only four networks on TV. You know,

532
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 5: there was no cable, there was nothing else. There was

533
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 5: only four stations on TV No.

534
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: Three in the seventies. Right, Fox wasn't there yet.

535
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 5: No, Fox wasn't even there, You're right. So Fox wasn't

536
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 5: even there yet. So it was really, you know, a

537
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 5: whole interesting dynamic. And and to show you that, you know,

538
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 5: one of the things that I really want to do

539
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 5: feature films. I really, I thought, this is it. And

540
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 5: I kept doing auditions and whatnot and and uh, and

541
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 5: then I got I got a movie with Linda Blair

542
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 5: and played her boyfriend and did some other things. But

543
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 5: then I got to play in in in La at

544
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 5: the Western Playhouse. It's not the Geffen, and Marshall Mason

545
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 5: from their Circle Repertory Theater in New York was directing.

546
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 5: And I didn't have my sack, I mean, my equity

547
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 5: card yet and it was only an equity only call.

548
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 5: So I waited for the all the actors to be seen,

549
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 5: and I asked the stage winters, can I can I

550
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 5: audition for Marshall Mason And he said, well, I'll ask him,

551
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 5: and he did. I read, he gave me the role,

552
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 5: and that's how I got my equity card. And then

553
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 5: he invited me back in New York City to become

554
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 5: a member of Circle Rep. And that's what I did.

555
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 5: So I went back to New York. After my Grandma

556
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 5: passed away, I went back to New York and I

557
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 5: was That's where I started doing a theater at Circle Rep.

558
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 5: And that was where I learned that writing is the key.

559
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 5: Writing is everything you know when it's on the page

560
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 5: and it's not on the stage. And the thing that

561
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 5: we did every Friday was reading a original new play

562
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 5: and uh with the with then author. There this wonderful

563
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 5: repertory company, Bill Hurt, Jeff Daniels, Swuozy Kurtz, Judd Hirsh,

564
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 5: I mean, just an amazing bunch of people, just an

565
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 5: amazing group, and we would sit there and readis play

566
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 5: for the author, and then we would discuss it, and

567
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 5: if we liked it, we put up for a called

568
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 5: a play in progress. We put on our feet with

569
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 5: scripts in hand, and then if we like that, it

570
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 5: was sent to a mainstage production. So and Beth Henley, Lanfford, Wilson,

571
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 5: Air Gurney, I mean, the John Bishop, the playwrights were

572
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 5: just fantastic and and uh so I really got to

573
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 5: learn for those three years, I really I did bet.

574
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 5: I did plays by Beth Henley and most of all

575
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 5: these wonderful playwrights, and and I got to learn how

576
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 5: to really work as an actor, you know, on stage

577
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 5: and with material, you know, and the process, learned, the process,

578
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 5: it was. It was really great.

579
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: And so this is about the early this is the

580
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 3: early eighties. You're back in New York.

581
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, early eighties. And then I did a play on Broadway.

582
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 5: Steve Bashco saw me and brought me back to LA

583
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 5: to do this series called Basd Blues, which is about

584
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 5: minor league baseball. And I didn't really want to do TV.

585
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 5: I really, even with Steve Boshka. I was a singer

586
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 5: talking to Steve and in the interview and I said,

587
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 5: I don't really know if And here he is, he's

588
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 5: got Hill Street Blues. Yeah you know, he's like the

589
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 5: king of TV.

590
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 4: Yeah right.

591
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 5: And I'm telling him I really don't know if I

592
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 5: want to do TV. And he's looking at me smiling,

593
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: and he's going, I think he should come out to

594
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 5: do this.

595
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 4: She do want to do TV?

596
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 5: I did that. No, No, I don't know all. In fact, Michael,

597
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 5: I was living we were here in an apartment in

598
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 5: New York, and I got a script sent to me.

599
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 5: I was being sent in scripts all the time for TV,

600
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 5: and I kept turning him down. And I because I

601
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 5: had done this at m ow in New York called

602
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 5: Kent State, and it was about the four kids were

603
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 5: killed on May fourth, you know, back in nineteen seventy

604
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 5: and and I played one of the kids I got killed.

605
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 5: And and uh, they did a lot for my career.

606
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 5: People were like took notice of me. And I was

607
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 5: kind of what they call hot at the time, and

608
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 5: and so they I was meeting everybody for movies. And

609
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 5: then so I got the script from the Charles Brothers

610
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 5: called Cheers and I opened it and I looked at

611
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 5: it and I was it's TV. And Michael said, let me

612
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 5: see that the script and he goes, Charles Brothers, it's

613
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 5: Jim Burrows.

614
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't care.

615
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 5: I took it and threw it in the waste basket.

616
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

617
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 5: That's that's how smart I was. But that's that's the

618
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 5: hubris of me, you know. I I I I didn't

619
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 5: want to do TV at the time, and uh, Michael

620
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 5: thought I was insane. But that's that's what I was,

621
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 5: you know, That's what I did. And uh, and so

622
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 5: I I am so but I did agree to go

623
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 5: out to I. You know, I just got married. I

624
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 5: did agree to go out to UH to l A

625
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 5: and do Basicity Blues and and I. And it was

626
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 5: lasted eight shows, I think before it was canceled. And

627
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 5: then and then we had a baby, and they Hollywood

628
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 5: Kim kept calling me for you know, bay Watch. You know,

629
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 5: the Dukes have had all these shows. They kept offering

630
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 5: me all these shows, and I kept saying no, no, no,

631
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 5: no no. So finally I got this m ow called

632
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 5: Hawaiian Heat.

633
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love this story, and I thought, you know,

634
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 4: this is.

635
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 5: The m ow. I'll do the m ow's you know,

636
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 5: that's okay. And it was about me. And then guy

637
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 5: named Bob Guinty is actor Bob Guinty and I were

638
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 5: these two cops in Chicago, you know, who tried to

639
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 5: escape the cold and crime of Chicago and go to

640
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 5: Hawaii and uh and and find out that their crime

641
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: is still as rampant in Hawaii and it's just a

642
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 5: different different climate climate. So so the MW was pretty good,

643
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 5: actually it was. It was okay, you know, I liked it.

644
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 5: It wasn't offensive. And then they pick it up to

645
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 5: go to series and I thought, wait a minute, hold on,

646
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 5: hold on baving me a series. I just did the

647
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 5: MW I'm gonna doing a TV series.

648
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: I want to do.

649
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 5: That was the clause. Yeah, this is a pilot.

650
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 11: I go no, no, no, no, no, no no no, it's

651
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 11: just a movie.

652
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 5: No no no. So Sandy Bresseler, my agent, kept saying

653
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 5: to me, now you're stuck. You got to do this,

654
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: and so you love this. The first script that I

655
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 5: got getting on the plane, literally getting on the plane

656
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 5: with my wife and new baby was me going undercover

657
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 5: and I'm a Chicago cop now growing up to Chicago,

658
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 5: Andy Sinkowski, and all of a sudden, I'm going to

659
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 5: go undercover to be the top, to compete with the

660
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 5: top volleyball players in Hawaii. I mean, never hit a

661
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 5: volleyball in my life, because there's a serial killer killing

662
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 5: the top volleyball players with exploding volleyball.

663
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 6: Yeah.

664
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, oh I love it.

665
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 5: All of it. Yeah, so imagine.

666
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 7: The bottom of this exploding volleyball killer.

667
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: Exactly, yes, eight television, I love it. Oh that would

668
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: actually be a huge hit now, I mean.

669
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 5: Tongue in cheek, yeah, yeah, exactly. You get Fred Armiston

670
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 5: to do it with. You know, Bill Hater.

671
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: There have so many questions about that show. I have

672
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: to see that now.

673
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 5: Oh, you have no idea. The second episode was as

674
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 5: was Fritz Weaver, a renowned Broadway actor whose guest guest

675
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 5: guest on the show because we had to go under again.

676
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 5: We had to find out who was killing sacrificing virgins

677
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 5: to the Payle in Hawaii, and it turns out he's

678
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 5: the guy. He's a curator of Hawaiian museum who's appeasing

679
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 5: the god Pele. And literally the virgin in question for

680
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 5: this particular episode was the forty year old wife of

681
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 5: the producer. So you can imagine eyebrows.

682
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 12: You know, it sounds like the best show ever made.

683
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: So you're you're in LA with your wife and your

684
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: new baby. And how do you and Michael now connect?

685
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: Because the first project you and Michael worked together on

686
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: his dinosaurs?

687
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: Right right?

688
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

689
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: So how do you.

690
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: Now you're back in LA? When does Michael come to LA?

691
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: How does he get in touch with you?

692
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 5: How he wanted? He realized he did a god spell

693
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 5: down in Florida. We had an apartment together in l A.

694
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 5: And this is before well anyway, kind of timeline was

695
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 5: this is before I went back to New York. He

696
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 5: went to he went down to Florida do God's Spell

697
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 5: as an actor, and then I guess that went okay.

698
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 5: But then he realized he was down there when we

699
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 5: were living together. He started working on writing this play

700
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 5: and he was showing me scenes and I, it's pretty funny, Mike.

701
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 5: And it was a play called Cheaters, and and so

702
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 5: he kept writing it, working on it, and he went

703
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 5: down and did this play, came back and kept writing it,

704
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 5: and then got it to Broadway. He got it produced

705
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 5: on Broadway, and I, you know, it didn't last long,

706
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 5: but he got made on Broadway. So I was like

707
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 5: going away by that, you know. And and then from

708
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 5: that he got a an offer from al Burton in

709
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 5: LA to do Charles in Charge. Okay, some help write

710
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 5: him right on be the head writer on Charles in Charge,

711
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 5: which Michael did. I guess Michael. I think he. I

712
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 5: think he wrote the pilot and everything. I think Michael

713
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 5: did that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure anyway, and then the

714
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 5: rest is history went from Charlist in Charge to my

715
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 5: two dads and then my two days after my two

716
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 5: dads was coming to an end. Uh, Disney offered him

717
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 5: a major deal that you know, to I'm a great

718
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 5: TV for them, huge deal and uh so he did that.

719
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 5: And at the same time I was doing uh left

720
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 5: Theater in the l A. And I was we formed

721
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 5: a Circle Rep branch in l A with a lot

722
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 5: of great p David Morris and Chatty Ferrell, all these

723
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 5: wonderful people, and and and and then what I did

724
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 5: also was I was still acting, and my buddies from

725
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 5: the Drosephinus Restaurant had become producers and directors and feature

726
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 5: there's a for for their first feature film and asked

727
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 5: me to be in it. But and I said great,

728
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 5: but I and I helped them get the DP, all

729
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 5: the DP, the Cassine record, all these people that I

730
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 5: knew from the business. And so they said, you know,

731
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 5: you're kind of acting like a producer, you know. And

732
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 5: I said, I'm just you know, I'm just doing what

733
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 5: I'm doing to help you guys. And so they went great,

734
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 5: you know. And then I got this job offer for

735
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 5: to do a film with Terry Garr and Sherman McClain

736
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 5: up in Seattle, and so I I said, the guys,

737
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 5: can I go do that? And then come back and

738
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 5: they said absolutely, so I'll be going for like two weeks.

739
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 5: So I went up there, and while I was up there,

740
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 5: the production had to start because they were going to

741
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 5: tear down the baseball statum that we were going to use.

742
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 5: The film that they were making was Past Time, One

743
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 5: Cup of Coffee, Pastime, and and so, and they were

744
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 5: after at Harris to start in the lead role. And

745
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 5: I had seen this actor down at South Coast Rep.

746
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 5: You know. Robin called me up and Seattle and says,

747
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 5: you know, we lost our act. Ed can't do it.

748
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 5: He's just coming off the Abyss and he's exhausted. He

749
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 5: just can't do the movie. So we need somebody you

750
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 5: give any buddy of mine, I said, you know, there's

751
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 5: this guy I saw that a South Coast Rep. He's

752
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 5: really a good actor. His name's William Russ. You should

753
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 5: look him up. He's really good.

754
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: I was trying to remember. I knew you had a

755
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: connection to Past Time, but I was like when I

756
00:35:59,080 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: actually looked it up.

757
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 7: We were listening to your credits and we.

758
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: Were talking yesterday and I was like, he was in

759
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Past Time and I was like, no, he wasn't this

760
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: connection Yeah, yeah, sense oh.

761
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so I couldn't come back and do my

762
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 5: role in the film because we ran over up in Seattle.

763
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 5: So when I came back down, the guys were like

764
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 5: out other element and they said, we really need you

765
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 5: to come and help us keep producing this film Joe.

766
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 5: So I said absolutely, whatever I can do. And then

767
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 5: we ran out of money. Uh the budget was for

768
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 5: a million and we needed five hundred grand more. So

769
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 5: I had a buddy from mine from Hawaiian. He had

770
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 5: a stunt double named Shane Dixon who knew ted Night Junior,

771
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 5: who came and I said, I arranged the screening where

772
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 5: everybody would We added some scenes together, put some music

773
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 5: TEP music to it, and then as a fundraiser, you know,

774
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 5: to raise some money to keep going and the and

775
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 5: this guy at ted Night Junior came up to me

776
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 5: afterwards and said how much do you need? And I said,

777
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 5: we need five hundred grand. He goes, I'll write to

778
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 5: you check tomorrow. Wow, And I was like what. So

779
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 5: that was my foray into producing right off the bat,

780
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 5: you know, raising money and producing a show. So and

781
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 5: that movie went to Sundance, Harvey Weinstein, Merri Max bought it.

782
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 5: It was the second year that you know, sexalizing videotapes

783
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 5: was the year before us, and he bought us. And

784
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 5: they told the director, I want you to change the

785
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 5: ending of the movie, and Robinson the Armstrong the director

786
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 5: said no, we're not going to do that. We just

787
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 5: won the awarded Sundance. Why would I want to change

788
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 5: the end of the movie because I don't want the

789
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 5: guy to die as Rusty dies in the film, right,

790
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 5: And Robin says, I'm not doing it. So Harvey says, well,

791
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 5: if you don't do it, I'm gonna take all your

792
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 5: p and A, your print and ads, while your advertising,

793
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna throw it to this what called Paris

794
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 5: is Burning and I'm gonna bear your I'm gonna put

795
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 5: you in theaters for a one weekend and then I'm

796
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 5: gonna bear it. Can you imagine he bought the film

797
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 5: where ten million. I'm thinking to myself, this guy's insane.

798
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 5: And so then Robins says to him, well, I'm gonna

799
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 5: assue you. And you've never seen a happier look on

800
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 5: Harvey Weinstein's face. Certain, really you're gonna assume me? I mean,

801
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 5: he was so happy, it was it was like mister.

802
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 5: The litigator in him just came out like, oh it's war, buddy,

803
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 5: And so Robin would not change the ending of the film,

804
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 5: and the film was buried and that's why it didn't

805
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 5: get to do it the dessert.

806
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein guy, Yeah, no, he's a horrible man.

807
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 7: Question do you do you think that Harvey was right

808
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 7: about the ending? Actually?

809
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: Do you think that maybe it would have been because.

810
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 4: That's what I said, good question, Maybe it.

811
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 7: Would have been a better movie. I mean, I don't know,

812
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 7: what do you think?

813
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 5: Okay, this is what I did during the ending of

814
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 5: that were when we were shooting. I turned to the

815
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 5: director and I said, you know, I don't This relationship

816
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 5: with him and Didie O'Connell, who is the actress playing

817
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 5: his girlfriend, is so wonderful. It's so rich and so great.

818
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 5: The movie's premise is that he he mentors a young

819
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 5: black pitcher in the nineteen fifties and the minor league team,

820
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 5: and his one cup of coffee was tuning up to

821
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 5: get back to the majors. That was his that was

822
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 5: his deal. Only he was never going to get up

823
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 5: back up there. But he had this one pitch that

824
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 5: he had that he taught this young Black picture and uh,

825
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 5: and then the course of this this this thing when

826
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 5: we're dealing with racism, it was a great it's a

827
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 5: great little film really, and Rusty is superb.

828
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 7: I'm sure.

829
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 5: I mean, I love him. I love him so much. Anyway,

830
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 5: So the I said to Robin, you know, maybe you

831
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 5: don't we don't kill him. I love this relationship. And

832
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 5: he says to me, no, No, David Air, the writer

833
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 5: would never allow that. So I went behind his back

834
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 5: and called up David Air and said, would you mind

835
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 5: if we changed the end of the film. He goes,

836
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 5: not at all. I wrote that in college. So I said,

837
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 5: rob you know, maybe we don't, you know, And Robbie goes, no,

838
00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 5: We're not doing that. So he refused, and wow, oh man,

839
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 5: does a film standing by on its own? Absolutely, it

840
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 5: still shouldn't have been released.

841
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 7: It should should have been releasing.

842
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, that it stay. It's it's just a darker ending.

843
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 5: It's it's just a it's a sad ending as opposed

844
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 5: to you know, it's an ending with hope, as opposed

845
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 5: to an ending that is, you know, a Disney ending.

846
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, okay, so I have I could listen to

847
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: you I could listen to these all day, hours and hours,

848
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: but I know our dear listeners are going to want

849
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 3: to get to what do you remember about, then, how

850
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: the creation of Boy Meets World came together? What let's

851
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: hear your your Boy meets World origin story?

852
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 5: All right? So the first show that Michael ever did

853
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 5: was this thing called Singer and Sons. And I'm just

854
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 5: going to give you a real quick how it led

855
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 5: into Boy Meets World. Singer and Sons. Uh. Garthan Seer

856
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 5: was ahead of TV at Disney at the time. Garth

857
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 5: loved pot belly pigs and he yeah, and he said, Michael,

858
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 5: I want you to create a show that features a

859
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 5: pot belly pig. Like what green acres? What are we

860
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 5: talking about? You figured out? So we had a pitch

861
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 5: meeting with Brendon Tartakoff at NBC and and we're going,

862
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 5: okay and Michael. And one thing about Michael is he

863
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 5: is the consummate salesman his father. Remember when Levi salesman

864
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 5: in New Jersey. He learned his trade from his father.

865
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 5: Michael could sell you, you know anything.

866
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: My favorite saying is he could sell a ketchup popsicle

867
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: to a lady in white gloves.

868
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: Yes, that's absolutely true.

869
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: That he could sell a ketchup popsicle to a lady

870
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: and white gloves and a hearty Yeah.

871
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 5: Okay. So anyway, so we go in there and Michael

872
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 5: pitches the show two guys who lived together with a

873
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 5: pot belly.

874
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: Pig the star.

875
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's lacing, and Brandon Tarca saying, you're listening and

876
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 5: listening and listening. You know, it's interesting, it's interesting. But

877
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 5: what if you made the pig a monkey? And I'm

878
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 5: sitting there going, this is Brandon tarticle going here, what's happening?

879
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 5: And and and Michael goes immediately, yeah, yeah, two guys

880
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 5: and a monkey. Okay, so this is a pivot.

881
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 9: And then he.

882
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 5: Goes, but wait a minute, what if? What if? What

883
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 5: if the monkey was an old Jewish deli owner?

884
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 4: Michael says that are Brandon.

885
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 11: And I'm going, did he just just go from pig

886
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 11: the monkey Jewish? And then he says, and the guys

887
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 11: that work for him are these black guys?

888
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 5: And I'm going, And so Michael is right on because he's.

889
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, just yes, and oh my god.

890
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 5: And we walked on there with sale. You sold it, Yes,

891
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 5: he sold it.

892
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 7: They shot the show. I've actually I went told us

893
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 7: this story.

894
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: You can find a whole episodes on and it's not horrible,

895
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: it's but it's just amazing.

896
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 5: But the genesis of that was like that was our

897
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 5: first show, and I thought, oh my god, you know,

898
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 5: and and so then and Don Tronowsky was ahead of

899
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 5: the company at the time, and and we had a

900
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 5: great office by the way, and I have to mention

901
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 5: Don Tronowski and Johnson, Carlos Era, Gon, Bunny Buckley, Yeah,

902
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 5: Richie Ardella, Gerald, Richard Della amazing, the most wonderful people anyway.

903
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 5: But so so from Cingarete Sons, we then got Dinosaurs.

904
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 5: Brian Hanson came into the Jim had just died. It

905
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 5: was his idea, and dinosaurs is this whole another story.

906
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 5: So I'm on Dinosaurs for two and a half years,

907
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 5: you know, for three seasons. And while I'm on Dinosaurs,

908
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 5: April Kelly comes in and pitches Boy Meets World, okay,

909
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 5: and and Michael loves the idea because it's it's him.

910
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 7: It's it's so him.

911
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 5: You know that Ben is him. You know, it's it's

912
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 5: like that's it was his conduit to express himself. As

913
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 5: a kid, and and and and create the childhood he

914
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 5: never had, right, So I was like, wow, okay, and

915
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 5: so uh so I remember the contention between Bright April

916
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 5: and and Michael a little bit. I remember that, you know,

917
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 5: it was it was tough. Michael's very headstrong. When he

918
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 5: wants something, He's going to get it. He's he's one

919
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 5: of those guys that's said that he thinks he knows

920
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 5: everything and better than anybody else. And and it's that

921
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 5: kind of humor, it's that kind of confidence that made

922
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 5: him forced to recon recon It just was, you know,

923
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 5: and and and he cow towed to no one. Really

924
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 5: he played the studio, the networks, uh beautifully. I watched him.

925
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 5: He was a master at it, really was a master

926
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 5: at it. And there's there was no accident. He was

927
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 5: you know, I would if I was to say, what

928
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 5: was Michael's greatest gift. He's a great hustler. He is

929
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 5: a great hustler. But he's also very talented. Yeah, he

930
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 5: really is in his in his domain, he's very good.

931
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 5: And that's what it is. But so when I first

932
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 5: went to the first I was so busy at Donnisaurs

933
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 5: and you're gonna killed me that show. But the thing

934
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 5: with Boy was I remember that that during the casting

935
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 5: process again they had cast Matt McCoy as the father

936
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 5: the pilot, and again came up. You know, they weren't happy,

937
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 5: and I thought, well, there's this wonderful actor. There's a

938
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 5: wonderful actor that I that I love and I just

939
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 5: did a film with and Michael has seen it, and

940
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 5: he went, sorry, that guy's great to sell. That's what happened.

941
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 5: The rest of you came in and and I remember,

942
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 5: you know, the casting for I mean, I was in

943
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 5: the in on the casting everybody. I was so busy

944
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 5: with Dinosaur, so I'm probably the last good person to

945
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 5: ask about their real genesis of Boy. I was kind

946
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 5: of flying the wall with code of readings. I would

947
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 5: go to the run throughs, but not a lot. I

948
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 5: would go to the shows for sure. I would always

949
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 5: go to the shows. Yeah, and enjoyed it immensely, I

950
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 5: always thought. But again I looked at it kind of

951
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 5: I kind of poop pooed it. I was kind of

952
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 5: looking at it going, well, I'm doing feach because I

953
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 5: was brought on with Michael to do feature.

954
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 4: Films, feature film department, right, yeah.

955
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 5: Because I just want to there weren't Sundays. And he said, well,

956
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 5: come to with Disney and you do the feature film

957
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 5: department stuff for my company and I'll do the TV

958
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 5: and you know, and you make some money and you

959
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 5: can go out and do whatever you want to do.

960
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 5: I thought, that's a great, great, great, you know you yeah,

961
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 5: you know, opportunity. So I did that, and so the

962
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 5: first thing with Singer and sons, and I'm kind of like, okay,

963
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 5: and I'm looking for films. And the second thing was Dinosaurs,

964
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 5: and I had no time to look for films until

965
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 5: finally I did find a film recommended, a documented recommended

966
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 5: by Brian Lapan and David Kaplan, writers on staff of Dinosaurs.

967
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 5: I said, hey, you should look at this documentary. It

968
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 5: was Choiz Show. Yes, wow, that started. But so I

969
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 5: was doing Dinosaurs, getting Quiz Show ready to be produced,

970
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 5: developing it and then getting it produced, and then as

971
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 5: that I was all unfolding, Michael said I want you

972
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 5: to come over and direct a Boy Meets World And

973
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 5: I thought, I don't know, I'm kind of in my

974
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 5: own world here. I'm doing pretty good and the TV

975
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 5: nearly just killed me. And I think I want to

976
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 5: go just focused on the features now, and he said, no, no, no,

977
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 5: come over. And you know, so I came to a

978
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 5: couple of tapings. You guys were having such a great

979
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 5: time and the show was growing exponentially, and I remember

980
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 5: That's what I remember most. I would say to Michael,

981
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 5: because we hung on a lot. I would I would

982
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 5: give I would ask him about the show, his direction

983
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 5: and this, and then he would always ask me what

984
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 5: do you think? What do you think? What do you think?

985
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 5: And I would I would give my honest opinion. Lots

986
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 5: of times I thought it was too joky, or you're

987
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 5: going for the joke as opposed to human behavior. You're

988
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 5: sacrificing the characters in this, in this scene or this show.

989
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 5: And I would be agree honest with him about stuff

990
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 5: and and and he would sometimes listen to me and

991
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 5: sometimes think I was you know, I didn't know what

992
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 5: I was talking about. So so when it came time

993
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 5: for this the end of the second season, he said,

994
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 5: I want you to go down there and and and

995
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 5: and and and direct one. And so I went down there,

996
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 5: and I love David Trainer, and uh, although he looked

997
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 5: at me and goes, well, are you here, yeah, trail

998
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 5: and he goes, I know what you're up to. I

999
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 5: go no, no, no, checking things out.

1000
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 6: Man.

1001
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 5: He was very protective of your show. He was so protective.

1002
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 5: He was like, you know, nobody messed with my cast.

1003
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 5: Nobody messes with my show. You know.

1004
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 4: He was very protective of us.

1005
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 5: Oh my god, oh he was like was vicious. I

1006
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 5: was like, no, peace, brother, I love you. But anyway,

1007
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 5: I trailed and I watched how he worked with you guys,

1008
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 5: and I watched the rhythm. You know, it was a play.

1009
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 5: Every it was a play. I was like, this is

1010
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 5: a play. Every week you're five, it's a four neighb rehearsal.

1011
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 5: And when you shoot in a fourth day and sometimes

1012
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 5: but it's you you shoot on the fifth and before

1013
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 5: live audience. Since this is it's actually pretty cool.

1014
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1015
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 5: Now, I'd done his sitcom with Carol Caine as a

1016
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 5: guest and with the guy who directed me on Broadway,

1017
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 5: Barnett Coming, and that was fun because but y actor,

1018
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 5: you walk in, you do your stuff, and you leave,

1019
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 5: and then's directing was a whole different animal. And I thought, well,

1020
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 5: because I directed some dinosaurs, and I thought, but this

1021
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 5: is a different animal. This is a whole different, you know,

1022
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 5: I guess Dault and so I am. But I I

1023
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 5: have to be totally honest with you guys. The thing

1024
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 5: that brought me to it closed, Closed was the closer

1025
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 5: where you guys. Really absolutely I watched you guys. There

1026
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 5: was such a purity, such a wonderful that was the innocence.

1027
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 5: But yeah, well that that goes down with your age.

1028
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 5: But but your your openness to to to to doing

1029
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 5: the work. There was no there was no attitude, there

1030
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 5: was no it was just absolutely let's go.

1031
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 6: You know.

1032
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 5: And and of course then there's Bill Daniels and Rusty

1033
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 5: and bet shit. Yeah, and I'm thinking, well, I get

1034
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 5: to work. I get it saying elsewhere Bill Daniels, and

1035
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 5: you know, I was like, I adore that man. Yeah,

1036
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 5: so you know I so I said, okay, I want

1037
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 5: to I'll do this, and and so I directed it.

1038
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 5: And once I directed it, that was it working with

1039
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 5: Now Daniel, you were in that episode. But you know,

1040
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 5: I have to say the first episodes that I was,

1041
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 5: I was getting my feet wet with Michael mm hmm,

1042
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 5: because he you know how he works and how he

1043
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 5: was very hands on extraordinarily you know, and I would

1044
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 5: The only thing that upset me was when he gave

1045
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 5: notes and how he gave notes, and and sometimes we're

1046
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 5: very very uh cruel. But then I realized what he's

1047
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 5: doing because I talked him about it. And when I

1048
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 5: realized what he was doing was he was rewriting as

1049
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 5: he was giving you notes. He was already he's always

1050
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 5: already rewriting. So so even though he's giving you these

1051
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 5: these critiques, in his mind, he's figuring out how to

1052
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 5: make get better, how to make it work. Yeah, because

1053
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 5: I can't tell you how many times he would spend

1054
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 5: five ten minutes talking to you about something that disappeared

1055
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 5: in the.

1056
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 4: Script, right exactly, Yeah, right, yeah.

1057
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 5: So he was rewriting right from the get go and

1058
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 5: kind of exhausting everybody and being a bit you know,

1059
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 5: I wish he had taken that, and you know, because

1060
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 5: there's no other showrunner that works like him that I've encountered.

1061
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 5: You know, that was that, you know vocal?

1062
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, we are in season three of our rewatch now,

1063
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: and we are starting to see the Quarry into Pega

1064
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 3: relationship really kick into high gear, and we're also seeing

1065
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 3: the Sean and mister Turner relationship kick into high gear,

1066
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: and with that also a little bit of the air

1067
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 3: Feene relationships starting to kick into high gear. Do you

1068
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: remember or how much do you remember about the goals

1069
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 3: coming out of season two and heading into season three,

1070
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 3: because you almost exclusively directed season three, John Tracy's done.

1071
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 3: John Tracy did the first one. And then we're gonna

1072
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: start getting into a lot of your episodes, which is

1073
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: just about we entered, we ventured the McCracken era, and

1074
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 3: so what do you what do you remember about the goals?

1075
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 5: Well, what I remember is is because you know, as

1076
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 5: I said, our families were very close at the time,

1077
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 5: and I spent a lot of time with Mike. We

1078
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 5: rode motorcycles together, We did all tons of stuff together.

1079
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 5: And anyway, when we did talk about the show, it

1080
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 5: was it was generally about because he knew one of

1081
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 5: the one of the things about our relationship at the

1082
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 5: time in work, our work relationship was he knew where

1083
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 5: I was coming from. He knew I was a serious actor.

1084
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 5: He knew I was serious about the craft. He knew

1085
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 5: I was serious about you know, a moment to moment,

1086
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 5: you know, living truth in her imaginary circumstances. You know,

1087
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 5: nothing taking nothing for granted, don't sacrifice the character, you know,

1088
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 5: being very you know, honoring the truth. And and I

1089
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:21,479
Speaker 5: think that he he loved that because I gave him

1090
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 5: a grounding for the characters. And if you watch the show,

1091
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 5: you guys started to get deeper and deeper that show,

1092
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 5: what you did with the double Lie. That was the

1093
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 5: first I directed in the season three.

1094
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 4: Yes episode season.

1095
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 5: And that's and that that show for me, was the

1096
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 5: beginning I thought of of of where the characters, I

1097
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 5: mean other there are other episodes where things started to percolate,

1098
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 5: There's no question, but I thought that was a consummate

1099
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 5: show for everybody, uh where, where you got to see

1100
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 5: everybody's future in the show, except for Daniel because she

1101
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 5: wasn't in the show, but uh and I have to say,

1102
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 5: and I'm not trying to be a brown noser, but

1103
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 5: when I did get to direct her, it was just fantastic.

1104
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 5: You all were so wonderful to work with. I, you know, uh,

1105
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 5: will to see Will grow from the goofy you know,

1106
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 5: nut job into a consummate comic and and writer was

1107
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 5: always you were always the heart of the show. You

1108
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 5: had this this wonderful sensitivity and you were the goof

1109
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 5: for the first two seasons, and then to see you

1110
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 5: grow into this you know this and this especially this

1111
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 5: episode to where you know, you know you see with

1112
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 5: you and Tony Quinn was just fantastic. I mean, just

1113
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 5: and I and I really was so proud of you

1114
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 5: for that in that scene and uh, you guys worked

1115
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 5: off each other so brilliantly, just brilliantly, and and I

1116
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 5: and I just I That's when I knew I had

1117
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 5: to direct the show is because of scenes like that,

1118
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 5: of a behavior like that, watching watching like like will

1119
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 5: you know uh the time was impeccable. One of the

1120
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 5: funniest guys I've ever worked with. He just has that instinct,

1121
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 5: that intuition that grew and grew. At first it was

1122
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 5: a little broad, a little you know, joky, but then

1123
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 5: he got so deft and so masterful at being able

1124
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 5: to do it economically, and it was just a joy

1125
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 5: to watch that growth. Just a seriously a joy to

1126
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 5: watch that.

1127
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: I have to say too, that Double Live script was

1128
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: a Matthew Nelson script and we've had I think only

1129
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 3: two of them that we've encountered thus far, and they

1130
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: are just superior strips, amazing sp.

1131
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 5: Well, Matt, I saw An Johnson came to our office

1132
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 5: one day she was working with me, and she said,

1133
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 5: you've got to see this guy this play in Hollywood.

1134
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 5: His name is Matt Nelson. You gotta go see this play.

1135
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 5: He's really good. So I took my and we went

1136
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,959
Speaker 5: to see this play. We hired him that night. Unbelievable,

1137
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 5: and Matt would really he's a real play right, I

1138
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 5: mean he really got it, really understood the structure and

1139
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 5: character and those scenes just you know, short out. So

1140
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 5: I I'm I'm really proud of that, that that show.

1141
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 5: In terms of the writing, I think I think everybody

1142
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 5: did a great job on that, on that on that show,

1143
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 5: and but the actors, I mean everyone there's it's flawless.

1144
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 5: It's a flawless episode. Really when I look at boys,

1145
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 5: really it's really great.

1146
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 4: I'm going to ask you the question we get asked

1147
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 4: all the time, do you have a favorite episode you directed?

1148
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 5: Well? I do, I love well, obviously, I think everyone

1149
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,479
Speaker 5: loves this show. And then there were Sean. I think

1150
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 5: we had such a great time making that and even

1151
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 5: though it really killed me.

1152
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: Kill the only time we ever saw you mad, the

1153
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: only time we.

1154
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 3: Ever made you mad honestly. I mean maybe we made

1155
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 3: you mad privately, but we never knew it. The only

1156
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: time we made you mad, like mad, that we could

1157
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 3: see like, oh we have crossed a line, and it

1158
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: was it was so we we loved you. We wanted

1159
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 3: to always be in your good graces. We never wanted

1160
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: to make you mad. It was a sure sign that

1161
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 3: we had absolutely crossed.

1162
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 4: Into a thing where it was out of our hands.

1163
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: Because even after you yelled at us and literally were like,

1164
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 3: let me know when you're ready to work and stormed

1165
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: off set, the first thing we did was bust up laughing,

1166
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: and it was.

1167
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 4: Like, what are we doing? What are we doing? This

1168
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 4: is the person we love. Then it was it was.

1169
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 5: Only the clock. It was the clock. It was like,

1170
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 5: you know, it was someone we shut in Disney World.

1171
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 5: That's another one that was just an absolute mind bender.

1172
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 4: Oh yes.

1173
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 5: But and then it was sewing though. But this it

1174
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 5: was such a smart script by Manil. You know, we

1175
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 5: love that script. I don't think almost a word was

1176
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 5: changed in the script. Yeah, really, it was a note

1177
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 5: perfect script. When it came in, Jeff was just you know,

1178
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 5: he's a film buff and he just nailed it. And

1179
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 5: and so to be able to, you know, just to

1180
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 5: pick it apart that everyone said, how are you gonna

1181
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 5: shoot this? I go, I'll find a way. And so

1182
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 5: we worked through it and you guys were having such

1183
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 5: a great time, so much fun to de link itself

1184
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 5: to that. It was just so much fun. You know.

1185
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: We had Manel on the show, and one of my

1186
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 3: favorite stories we've heard from anybody who's come on the

1187
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 3: podcast was that he got They were like, all right,

1188
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 3: here's a great idea, Manel, you're going to write this script.

1189
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: And he wrote it in like less than twenty four hours,

1190
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: but then had to pretend it took him the whole time,

1191
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: so it has the st coming.

1192
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: He's like, oh working, really really done.

1193
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, still working.

1194
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 6: Do you, by any chance remember the name of the

1195
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 6: actor that played the gender that killed people.

1196
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 13: Jenner?

1197
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 4: He was a background actor.

1198
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 6: Yeah I know, yeah, No, no one can remember this

1199
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 6: man's name.

1200
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 5: Frank Frank Lowry Frank.

1201
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 4: Writing it down. We're going to start looking.

1202
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 5: I think his name is Frank Lowry.

1203
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 4: Frank sounds right, Frank does sound right?

1204
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: Then if you just pulled that name out.

1205
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 4: After we're going to search, we're gonna its.

1206
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 5: Lowry low low frank something. It was kind of a

1207
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 5: low l O w R Y. I don't I don't

1208
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 5: know the exact spelling, but if you have Sally Steiner.

1209
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 4: We did. She did not know.

1210
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: Neither did and didn't know.

1211
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 5: Well.

1212
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: The tricky part is we had had a janitor Bud Yeah, yeah,

1213
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: a couple of times season two, but.

1214
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 5: This was this is a one time because of his look,

1215
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 5: cast totally because of his look.

1216
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 3: Okay, so, and then there was Sean is your favorite

1217
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:01,959
Speaker 3: like all of our.

1218
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, but then the Long Walk to Pittsburgh Did it

1219
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 5: end up actually be part that we did? And both

1220
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 5: those shows that I have a real affinity for that

1221
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 5: show because you and Ben were just so excuse me.

1222
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 9: It was, it was and and it just had a

1223
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 9: it had.

1224
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 5: A cinematic feel to it. I don't know what it

1225
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 5: was it had. It had a tone and a value

1226
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 5: that was really fun to work on with you guys.

1227
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 5: You know, and you know, one of the things is

1228
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 5: that's interesting too with working with you. You know, my

1229
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 5: my principal job was to make a safe set for

1230
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 5: you guys.

1231
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 6: That was it.

1232
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 9: You know.

1233
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 5: I I was a you know, people kind of be

1234
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 5: quite directors. So sometimes traffic cops, you know. But but

1235
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,959
Speaker 5: I think what's really important it was what we did

1236
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 5: together on that on that set was was create First

1237
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,439
Speaker 5: of all, you know, getting to know you personally wasn't

1238
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 5: really in the cards because you were either in school

1239
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 5: or on the set, you know, or home. And and

1240
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 5: but I we hung out enough to I I'm curious

1241
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 5: to see what you guys think. When we would would

1242
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 5: get to the set after the table read, what do

1243
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 5: you remember is the first thing we would do with me?

1244
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 5: Do you remember?

1245
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 4: I thought we would read the scene.

1246
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 3: We'd read it before, we'd start with put it on

1247
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 3: its feet, we'd read it.

1248
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 4: We read it out loud.

1249
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 3: And then what I remember is that you always asked

1250
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 3: us what we thought we should do. Where do you

1251
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: want to start? Because I'd go like, okay, where do

1252
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: you want me? And you'd be like, no, yeah, yep,

1253
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 3: where do you Where.

1254
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 4: Do you want to start? Let's try it?

1255
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: And there was this absolute sense of comfort, like yeah,

1256
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: we could do no wrong, like there was no there

1257
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: was no right or wrong, there was just well, there's

1258
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: the words on the scene. We got to figure this out.

1259
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: So let's all together as a team figure this out out.

1260
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: And we owned it. And you were there to like

1261
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: just guide us and help us. And then yeah, I

1262
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: remember blocking was always so easy with you, like.

1263
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 4: It was all.

1264
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: It was never like stand over here, get over there.

1265
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: It was always like we were coming up with it ourselves,

1266
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,959
Speaker 1: with you in discussion. And I could feel that even

1267
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 1: like we just watched the Double Lie episode, I could

1268
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: feel the blocking like it was being driven. It was

1269
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: being the scene with Tony especially. I was watching how

1270
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: we were moving, and I was like, we are, we

1271
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: are the blocking is being driven by the internal emotion

1272
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: in any way as naturally it's natural, and it's it's feels.

1273
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: It suddenly felt like a different show. And I know

1274
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: that that was because of you, because there was a

1275
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: sense of freedom and confidence that we were getting. And

1276
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, we were also just getting older, and the

1277
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: writing was I mean a lot of factors, but but

1278
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: I could tell the blocking just had this different motivation

1279
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: behind it, you know. And that's what I remember feeling,

1280
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: is like that we were guiding it.

1281
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 12: You know.

1282
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: It was it felt like a play and it shows.

1283
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: It absolutely shows on camera.

1284
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 6: I mean every single time, this is what the second

1285
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 6: or third of your episodes that you've done so far,

1286
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 6: second and there are times where we've talked about where

1287
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 6: there's a comfortability that came from I remember a couple

1288
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 6: of my scenes being like, well I felt more natural there.

1289
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 6: And then somebody, either writer danielle'll be like, oh this

1290
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 6: was a McCrackan emisode. It's like, oh that's right, Oh

1291
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 6: that's right. Because we love David Traynor. Nothing against David

1292
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 6: Trainer is a wonderful director. He was amazing, but he

1293
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 6: was he was more a you know, I was more

1294
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 6: afraid of David Trainer by Trainer than I was of

1295
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 6: you you. And again it wasn't a bad thing. Trainer

1296
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 6: was is a great guy and was you know, will

1297
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 6: be my first sitcom director ever, and you always forget

1298
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 6: your first. I always remember your first. But with you,

1299
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 6: it was exactly what Ryder said. It's like we would

1300
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 6: get there and it felt like a company. Yeah, that

1301
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 6: make me like an acting company. And it's like, here's

1302
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 6: the show we're gonna do this week, as opposed to

1303
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 6: all right, go stand over there, you come down the thing. Here,

1304
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 6: you go, hit your mark, hit your line. It was

1305
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 6: just yeah, it was it was different. You made you you,

1306
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 6: You made it more of a sense of a team

1307
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 6: if that means.

1308
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 5: That's great. Guys. You know, that makes me feel so

1309
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 5: good because it's exactly what I wanted to provide for you. Guys.

1310
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 5: We were always talking about motivation and motivation. You're and

1311
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 5: I and when I watch you. The reason why I

1312
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 5: give you that freedom is I would watch your instincts.

1313
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 5: Instincts don't lie, you know, and you're You guys were

1314
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 5: open vessels. I mean, so you knew your characters. You

1315
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 5: knew you know, we would read the scene. If we

1316
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 5: had any questions, we talk about it. But there was

1317
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 5: this innate sense of when I said, let's okay, let's

1318
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 5: put up on his feet, you always, you know, I

1319
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 5: always you know? Is you guys direct? So you got

1320
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 5: to understand blocking and for camera and this and that

1321
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 5: sometimes you have to you know, steer things in certain

1322
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 5: ways so that you're getting your coverage correctly. But bottom

1323
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 5: line was, I would watch you and we'd get up there,

1324
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 5: and you would always go to exactly where I thought

1325
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 5: you should be. It was uncanny, It was so uncanny.

1326
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 5: You guys knew where you belonged in a way, and

1327
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 5: if I need to nudge you a certain way or

1328
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 5: do this, it would be a question of you know,

1329
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 5: what's your intention? What do you want? You know, what

1330
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 5: do you want to do to him? When you guys

1331
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 5: were great listeners too, you know, that's the whole hour

1332
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 5: of acting is listening. And you guys really started to

1333
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 5: You were really listening to each other. You weren't going

1334
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 5: for the joke. You were listening to each other, and

1335
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 5: your timing improved because of it, especially Will you, You

1336
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 5: and FEOENI were sterical because you guys you really were

1337
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 5: working off each other, like yeah, you know, you were

1338
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 5: working off each other beautifully.

1339
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 6: I think there's something something that was a great combination

1340
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 6: about starting with David Trainer than having you come in,

1341
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 6: because there's something about David gave me the technical side

1342
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 6: of it, like it was. It was that kind of

1343
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 6: the class that I took was the technical side of

1344
01:06:54,200 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 6: being on a sitcom and exactly, and then you came

1345
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 6: in and kind of gave.

1346
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 2: It the soul if that made sense, where it's like, all.

1347
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 6: Right, that's in your feet, now let's see where you

1348
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 6: can actually go with it.

1349
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 5: And David Trainer really said the template. I mean I

1350
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 5: watched him create that amidst dealing with Michael. You know

1351
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 5: this this was a real you know, tag team. And

1352
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 5: I also mentioned someone else who is in absolutely vital

1353
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 5: to the success of this company. It was Bob Young. Vital.

1354
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 5: He ran Dinosaurs for two and a half years for Michael.

1355
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 5: He was there for Boy Meets Rule and every we

1356
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 5: we had six seven shows on the airge sometimes, you know,

1357
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 5: it was the same. So if it weren't for Bob Young,

1358
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 5: Michael would not have succeeded. And I'm telling you that

1359
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 5: Boby Young is the reason that he gave Michael the

1360
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 5: stability and the ability to navigate everything. I really mean

1361
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 5: there he's an amazing person, you know, and and humble

1362
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 5: and doesn't he's just amusing.

1363
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 3: Well, you saw us grow up throughout the series. I

1364
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 3: mean you really saw us. I was twelve when we started,

1365
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 3: nineteen when we ended. Writer you know writers a year

1366
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 3: and a half older than me, and Will four years

1367
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: older than me. So you really, I mean we were

1368
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 3: all teenagers when we started, or not even quite, and

1369
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 3: then saw us all the way through our twenties. Do

1370
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 3: you have we talked about how fun, how much fun

1371
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 3: we were having on and then there was Sean. But

1372
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 3: do you have any personal favorite memories of each one

1373
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 3: of us from your time, especially season three and four,

1374
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 3: where you were there almost every single day directing almost

1375
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 3: every single episode of those two seasons.

1376
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 5: Well, as I mentioned, you know the characters. You know,

1377
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 5: Ben was amazing. I have to my hat's off to

1378
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 5: him too, because to watch him work as fast as

1379
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:56,799
Speaker 5: he did.

1380
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: He carried us.

1381
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 5: He totally carried us. Yeah, you know that that boy

1382
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 5: would man now future congressman. I just look at him

1383
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 5: when he was and I was, I was awestruck by him.

1384
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 5: I I you know, I knew he was Michael's muse,

1385
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 5: and I knew that he was the extension of Michael's

1386
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 5: comic timing and you know, the whole dynamic. But he

1387
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 5: he really, you know, as the anchor of the show.

1388
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 5: He just carried it. And I I was in awe

1389
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 5: of that. And sometimes he was a challenge to work with,

1390
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 5: you know, with these attention and this and that. But

1391
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 5: but he always showed up. I mean he always delivered. Yeah.

1392
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 5: And and what was great was there was no ego

1393
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 5: at work. There was no I'm better than anybody else.

1394
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 5: I mean, it's my opinion of our impression of him

1395
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 5: was that he was in that zone and he was generous. Uh,

1396
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 5: in those scenes with writer. He was very generous, you know,

1397
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 5: with you and and and you guys were equal footing.

1398
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 5: It was totally fifty to fifty. There was no I'm

1399
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 5: I'm the star of the show. He never pulled that

1400
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 5: that I saw ever, and and uh, and he could

1401
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 5: have easily, you know, but he didn't. As far as

1402
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 5: I'm concerned, I hadn't. I never saw it. Sometimes he

1403
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 5: would joke about it, but but but it was never

1404
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 5: something that he would you know, act on. And so,

1405
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 5: you know, Ben, watching him carry the show was was

1406
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 5: it was amazing to me and and and I think

1407
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 5: in all of the episodes I were directly. I only

1408
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 5: got really mad at him once, you know, in terms

1409
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 5: of his attention. He was just eighty One day. I

1410
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 5: just went to Ben, stop it.

1411
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 3: You know, he had that same Michael Jacobs and talked about.

1412
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 5: From absolutely you know, and uh and and and you

1413
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 5: know so but he's yeah, he was amazing and and

1414
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 5: uh when and when Michael would get him to do

1415
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 5: certain things that were to me a little too jokey

1416
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 5: or too crazy. You know, Michael comes from the text Avery,

1417
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 5: you know, Order Brothers cartoon sensibility. That's that's Michael. You know,

1418
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 5: he's mister Looney Tune and so, and he loves that

1419
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 5: stuff and he loves to go for the broad joke

1420
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 5: like like they want you to take the roles, you know.

1421
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,480
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, absolutely classic.

1422
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 5: I mean there's no better you know, there's no better

1423
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 5: moment or or when you guys do the together, you know,

1424
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 5: I mean those are classic Michael moments. And so I

1425
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 5: get it. I enjoyed it, you know, and and then

1426
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 5: carried it off, you know, and everyone did really when

1427
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 5: when when it came time to it? So back to

1428
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 5: your question, Daniel, Sorry, I'm digressing. I'm trying to.

1429
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: It's okay if you don't have any memories.

1430
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 5: Are there's there's there's there's like four that are really

1431
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 5: that I always have fun with one. I don't know.

1432
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 5: Will if you remember the bear episode where oh god,

1433
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 5: there we had a bear? You had the Wilderness show.

1434
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 2: In the Wilderness Store.

1435
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 5: Yes, and and I love Trainer of Fools. I mean

1436
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 5: there's so many, there's so many episodes with so many

1437
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 5: great things with you.

1438
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: But the bear thing, I do not remember that there

1439
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: was ever. I remember a bear in the Civil War episode,

1440
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: but I don't remember.

1441
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we had a bear in the in the

1442
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: Wilderness store too with.

1443
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 5: I don't remember, but the trainer came in and he

1444
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 5: had one arm, you know, and it was like so

1445
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 5: so bloody funny and you and there's a moment where

1446
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 5: you're you go up to the bear and the bear

1447
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 5: opens his mouth and he growls at you, and we

1448
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 5: put a fan and your hair is blowing. And there's

1449
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 5: like moments like that that you know that just still

1450
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 5: tickle me to death, you know. And then there's the

1451
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 5: moments with Danielle and Ben that I just my heart melts.

1452
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 5: I just my heart just melts watching them go through

1453
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 5: the the angst of the relationship up and that the care.

1454
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys just were so wonderful together. So

1455
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 5: you know that that that dynamic was was so precious

1456
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 5: to me and I and I uh, and the way

1457
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 5: you carried off with such you know, authenticity and and

1458
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 5: and truth, I I just uh and vulnerability, oh my god.

1459
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 5: And you were always mother Earth. You were always the

1460
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 5: voice of reason, the one who's basically you know. And

1461
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 5: I think the episode where you you toy it was uh,

1462
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 5: when you visit the Art Museum with.

1463
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 4: The starry night night that I think was.

1464
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 5: My favorite episode with you.

1465
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 4: You were you.

1466
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,879
Speaker 5: Were so good in that episode. You know, you're juggling

1467
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 5: both Corey and your feelings for him versus this new boy.

1468
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 5: It's just great. Yeah. So you know, I can go

1469
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 5: on and on.

1470
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 7: You know what, I have.

1471
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: I have memories of you and I and it's it's

1472
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: been interesting to get older and and to be able

1473
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that you, probably more than anybody in my life,

1474
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: especially at that time, helped me in my career outside

1475
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: of Boy Meets World in a variety of ways, and

1476
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 1: no one else did that. You reached outside of the show.

1477
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: I produced a friend's album and you hooked us up

1478
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: with producers and tried to help.

1479
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 7: It was just my friend, but you were like you did.

1480
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: My parents at one point optioned a script that they

1481
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: thought would be good for me and my brother, and

1482
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,520
Speaker 1: you hooked us up with other producers. You like actively

1483
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: helped my career and like I don't, I didn't. I

1484
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: just thought that that was like what people didn't but

1485
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: like nobody does that.

1486
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 7: You did that. You were so you were just so

1487
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 7: supportive in all the ways.

1488
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't just about movie. You're the writer,

1489
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 2: You're the one who reminded me of that.

1490
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: It was It wasn't It was about you just had

1491
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: no ego about it. You just wanting to create great art.

1492
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 1: And you were helping us not just to do the

1493
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: episodes and to do the show, but in our lives

1494
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: outside of the show, and man, like that's just I

1495
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: love you for that.

1496
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 3: Like yeah, And that continued on decades after the show ended.

1497
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 3: When I applied for my master's degree to Chapman, it

1498
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 3: just so happened Jeff was directing, not directing, Jeff was

1499
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,440
Speaker 3: teaching at Chapman, and I was like, oh my gosh,

1500
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 3: I'm I'm applying for my master's degree. Could you write

1501
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 3: me a letter of recommendation? He was like, not only

1502
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 3: will I write you a letter of recommendation, but come

1503
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 3: to the come to the university, let's walk around, let's

1504
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 3: get lunch. I mean that was you know, that was

1505
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 3: fifteen years after Boy Meets World had ended.

1506
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, let me put in perspective for you guys.

1507
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Speaker 5: You know, I had three kids, but the same ages,

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01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 5: a little bit younger than you guys. You know, being

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01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 5: on that show as long as I was for seven

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01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 5: years with you guys, you know, off and on you

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01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 5: know you were my kids. How dd felt it. We

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01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 5: all felt that way. You really watched you grow up

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01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 5: and you know, and you were such great people. I mean,

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01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 5: and I have to say also with Michael's credit, you

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01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 5: know he casts correctly in the sense that he also

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01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 5: auditioned the Pearents.

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01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yep.

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01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 5: You know it was. It was an amazing thing to see,

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01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 5: you know, how great parents everybody had.

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01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 6: My favorite story about you, I've told this before on

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01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 6: the podcast. It just to me sums you up so

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01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 6: well is the week where I think it was the

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01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 6: weather Man episode and I had to cut my hair, yes,

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01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 6: and we and I did not want to cut my hair,

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01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 6: and the it was a network note and the network's like,

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01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 6: you got to cut your hair and I didn't want

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01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 6: to do it. And I didn't want to do it,

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01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 6: and you felt so bad that you sent me back

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01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 6: to get my hair cut. And you came to the

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01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 6: set the next day because you had long hair too,

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01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 6: and your hair looked weird.

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01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 2: And I was like, what did you do? And You're like, well,

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01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 2: I cut off my hair and I'm like, what do

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01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 2: you mean. You're like to you know, you had to

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01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 2: do it, so I did, and I went, well, who

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01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 2: cut your hair?

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01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 13: You're like I did, And so you went home that

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01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 13: night and cut your own hair off to make me

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01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 13: feel better about having to cut my hair.

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01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 2: To me, it's just it's the ultimate Jeff McCracken story.

1542
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 2: It's like the ultimate moment. You didn't even go get

1543
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 2: a haircut.

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01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 6: You grabbed a pair of scissors and you cut off

1545
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 6: your hair in solidarity with me.

1546
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 2: It's who does that? I mean, who does that? It's

1547
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 2: amazing to me, amazing.

1548
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 5: You know what you do, what you gotta do.

1549
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,480
Speaker 4: Do you still do stuff like that for the dinosaurs?

1550
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 4: I just wanted to know, you know, all died. Did

1551
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 4: you be honest at the time.

1552
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,759
Speaker 3: Did you ever think while working on Boy Meets World

1553
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 3: that someday, thirty years from now there would still be

1554
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 3: this kind of interest in the show?

1555
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 5: It's you would No, No, I mean I don't think

1556
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 5: so now, could anyone?

1557
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 12: Right?

1558
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 6: No?

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01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 5: No, No, you guys have resurrected in a lot of

1560
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 5: ways too. I mean there's a I saw you guys

1561
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 5: in Hartford a year ago. You know, your your your convention,

1562
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 5: and it was so great to see the outpouring of

1563
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 5: love and fandom that you guys have created it's it's

1564
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 5: it's a it's a it's a magical thing. I I I. Yeah,

1565
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 5: it was a seminal, seminal, seminal time in our culture

1566
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 5: that this show existed, and and UH has given life

1567
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 5: to you know so much. I mean, it's in its

1568
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 5: values they're still holding strong. I think that's the thing

1569
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 5: about the show too. It's it really found a beating

1570
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 5: heart that I think people really identify with.

1571
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 6: Have you heard my fellow I'm sorry, but if you've

1572
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 6: heard my fellow UH hosts here talking about our beautiful

1573
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 6: nut makes state you mentioned Hartford.

1574
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 2: Have you heard about what's going on over here?

1575
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 12: Did your soup can pick up what they've been talking about?

1576
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 2: Beautiful his computer to keep it calling right now? This

1577
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 2: is what I deal with. This is what I deal with.

1578
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 6: God shout out to the people watching on the one we.

1579
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 4: Talked about his art.

1580
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 3: It's incredible what he's able to do on leaves since

1581
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 3: they don't have candas.

1582
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 2: Exactly what you can do by candlelight.

1583
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,440
Speaker 4: Thanks you, it's so great, somaiting.

1584
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 2: Their light is the only Connecticut is beautiful.

1585
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 5: It's perfect light.

1586
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, looking back, it's now where this is the

1587
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 3: This is the year of the thirtieth anniversary of the

1588
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 3: start of Boy Meets World. How when you think about it,

1589
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 3: how do you sum up that time of your life

1590
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 3: and what does it mean to you?

1591
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 5: Well, you know, as I that I wasn't a sitcom fan.

1592
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 5: I didn't really want to do it, you know, but

1593
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 5: then jumping into into the water with you guys was

1594
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 5: was was probably one of the finest things I've ever

1595
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 5: done creatively, emotionally, and and I think that you know,

1596
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 5: it's a it's a It was my biggest lesson. When

1597
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 5: the door opens, walk through it, you know, don't don't

1598
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 5: don't you know, I don't judge you know too much,

1599
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 5: because you'll judge yourself right out of the out of

1600
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 5: the game. I've done that, you know, on many occasions.

1601
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 5: So I thank god I had, you know, Michael had

1602
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 5: the wherewithal to ask me and and and push me

1603
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 5: into it and and and gave me that chance. It was.

1604
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 5: It was an amazing experience.

1605
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 3: Working with you well likewise for all of us, and

1606
01:20:53,840 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 3: you have continued to be an influential, impactful, meaningful, absolute, lutely,

1607
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 3: deeply sincerely loved person in our lives. And we are

1608
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 3: just beyond lucky to have you. Also, we absolutely have

1609
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 3: to have you back on this podcast to talk about

1610
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 3: when we when we come upon episodes, specific episodes that

1611
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 3: you directed, if you would do us the honor, we

1612
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 3: would love to have you back to talk through those episodes,

1613
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 3: to do some recaps with us, to tell us your

1614
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 3: thoughts on them and and your memories. You're just you

1615
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 3: are one of the people that, like we hope to

1616
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 3: have as a you know, regular contributor to this podcast

1617
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 3: for the next couple of seasons since you are such

1618
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 3: an expert.

1619
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 5: That's very sweet and more happy to do that really great. Anytime,

1620
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 5: anytime I can just spell with you, guys is.

1621
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:50,879
Speaker 3: Golden so well we feel the same way. We love you, Jeff, Yeah.

1622
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I just love you.

1623
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 2: Thank you for being back, guys.

1624
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 5: Take care, Take care.

1625
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 3: Jeff, I managed to make it through the episode without

1626
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 3: tears falling, but just some welling writer or I feel

1627
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 3: like you wanted to say something but you didn't say it.

1628
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 4: What did yeah to Jeff? Just I know, I mean no.

1629
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: I had to stop myself because I was going to

1630
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: start crying when I was sorry.

1631
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 6: He's just you don't realize how important he was until

1632
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 6: you really start to think, I mean he's I mean,

1633
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 6: it's just he was so important to everything that happened

1634
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 6: with us on the show and to us and to

1635
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 6: who he became as people.

1636
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 2: I mean, he was just but he just had no

1637
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 2: ego about it. Nothing that he still doesn't.

1638
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: It's just he just I mean that he's my hero,

1639
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, like my hero in how he is as

1640
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: a person and autistically and and he never made me

1641
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: He just always made me feel like that.

1642
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 7: Was the way he wanted it.

1643
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: You know, he wanted to just be there and wanted

1644
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: to help. And in retrospect, like, like I said to him,

1645
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: nobody else did that.

1646
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 2: Like nobody else on.

1647
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World ever helped my career outside of Boy

1648
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 1: Meets Work.

1649
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:00,839
Speaker 4: Isn't that interesting?

1650
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 2: Like yeah, why not?

1651
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: And you can tell that he's done that his entire life.

1652
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 1: He's like, well what about this actor I work with?

1653
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 7: What about this?

1654
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 1: But he connects other people, he has a sense of

1655
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: community and help and support and like it's just it's beautiful.

1656
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,799
Speaker 6: But when he starts his story with and my grandmother

1657
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 6: was sick and she had nobody, so I moved out.

1658
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: You're like twenty one years old.

1659
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,719
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, of course you did, like, that's yeah,

1660
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 2: that's you.

1661
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just yeah, he's he's one of the

1662
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 6: most beautiful human beings I've ever met in my life.

1663
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 6: And that is not hyberbally He's no's incredible. Yeah, it's

1664
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 6: uh yeah what He's an amazing.

1665
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 2: Man, really is.

1666
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 4: Well.

1667
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 3: Thank you all for joining us for this episode of

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01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 3: Pod Meets World. You can follow us on Instagram pod

1669
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,599
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1670
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,400
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01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,799
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1672
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,479
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01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,440
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Speaker 1: Pod Meets World is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted

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01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 1: by daniel Official, Wilfredell and Ryder Strong. Executive producers Jensen

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Speaker 1: Karp and Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo,

1677
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Speaker 1: producer and editor, Tara Sudbach, producer, Jackie Rodriguez, engineer and

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