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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyon in this episode number two O

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Speaker 1: two and saying the show, we're exploring the idea of

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Speaker 1: a true back country white tail hunt in the Boundary

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Speaker 1: Waters of northern Minnesota, and we're gonna be joined here

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Speaker 1: by several members of Sportsmen for the Boundary Waters to

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Speaker 1: discuss this wilderness, how to pull off a hunt here,

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Speaker 1: and why this area is currently at risk. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sitka Gear and say in the show, we are

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Speaker 1: covering a very different kind of topic than usual. We

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Speaker 1: are talking about back country white tail hunting. And in

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Speaker 1: last week's podcast you might remember I'd hinted to the

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Speaker 1: fact that this coming fall, I'm planning a canoe in

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Speaker 1: back country white tail hunt into this wilderness. So today

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Speaker 1: I wanted to dive much, much deeper into that topic.

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Speaker 1: And you know, so much of the white tail hunting

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Speaker 1: on just the usual, everyday agg field and wood lot

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Speaker 1: type landscape that so many of us here across the

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Speaker 1: country deer hunting on annual basis, and that's that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: I get a kick out of it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: But I've also been personally interested in kind of getting

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Speaker 1: more intrigued by the idea of venturing off to some

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Speaker 1: more unique places to chase my favorite game species. You know,

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Speaker 1: I really want to try to find ways to stretch

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Speaker 1: myself as a deer hunter, to experience new ways of hunting,

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Speaker 1: explore new places, and this idea of the Boundary Waters

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Speaker 1: it has been top of my list when it comes

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Speaker 1: to this kind of idea so very quickly. For those

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Speaker 1: not familiar, the Boundary Water Canoe Area Wilderness is just

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Speaker 1: a vast, promitive wilderness area in northern Minnesota. We're talking

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Speaker 1: an area I believe it's it's over one million acres

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Speaker 1: in size, and it's composed of miles and miles and

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Speaker 1: miles of lakes and rivers and huge forests and rocky

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Speaker 1: cliffs and escarpments and just a really rugged and impressive landscape.

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Speaker 1: And the only way to get around in it, at

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Speaker 1: least during the spring, summer and fall, is to hike

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Speaker 1: or canoe. So my plan is to load all of

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Speaker 1: my gear for a week of white tail hunting and

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Speaker 1: camping in a canoe and paddling porterage deep into this

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Speaker 1: wilderness until I find some deer, hopefully, And I think

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be a really challenging, really interesting, really

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Speaker 1: fun trip. But you know what originally brought this area,

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Speaker 1: the Boundary Waters, to my tension a few years ago

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Speaker 1: was the fact that not only is it special, but

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Speaker 1: it's also a place facing increased risk. From everything I've

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Speaker 1: read and heard and seeing, this is one of the

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Speaker 1: nation's most impressive and precious wild places, but it's it's

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Speaker 1: in some serious danger here. So I've been doing more

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Speaker 1: and more research on what's going on here, and as

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Speaker 1: I've done that, I've gotten more interested in both kind

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Speaker 1: then trying to, you know, lend a hand if I

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Speaker 1: and in a healthy condition so that maybe some of

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Speaker 1: you folks can see it someday, maybe some of my

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Speaker 1: son can see it someday. And that's kind of how

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Speaker 1: this trip idea and this podcast idea finally all came together.

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Speaker 1: So here, in a moment I'm going to be getting

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Speaker 1: three more guys on the line with me, Dan Dan

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Speaker 1: can't join us today, but we will have three guests.

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Speaker 1: They're all very familiar with the Boundary Waters, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about We're gonna be talking about the

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Speaker 1: will Erners in general, We're gonna be talking about what

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Speaker 1: it's like to deer hunt there, and then finally we're

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Speaker 1: Lucas Leaf, the national Sporting director for Sportsman for the

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Speaker 1: Boundary Waters, Matt Norton, the Policy director for Sportsman for

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Speaker 1: something from. We just cover some some very interesting things,

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Speaker 1: some very different ways of deer hunting. But I do

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Speaker 1: all that said, let's pause here for a moment for

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Speaker 1: our sickest story of the day, and then we're going

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Speaker 1: to dive right into it. For this week's sick of story,

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Speaker 1: we're joined by Seth Healy, who tells us about a

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Speaker 1: recent goose hunt that meant a little more. Well, it

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Speaker 1: was early January and my buddy Andy is his best

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Speaker 1: friend and actually unexpectedly passed away, and um, you know

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Speaker 1: he was. They were both big goose hunters, and um,

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Speaker 1: there was three of them that really goose hutting together.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a big waterfowl guy. Um, so we we

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Speaker 1: decided to go out, uh the very last day of season.

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Speaker 1: And you know they hadn't they hadn't hand it much

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Speaker 1: the one that Andy had wanted to shoot the most.

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Speaker 1: And so I mean it's not even two minutes after

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Speaker 1: I had completely missed the first one and ended up

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Speaker 1: shooting the last two. Andy, which was the guy's best

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Speaker 1: friend that had passed away. UM had shot that white

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Speaker 1: to Andy. I mean, it was just an unforgettable moment

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Speaker 1: and definitely an emotional hunt for you know, both of

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Speaker 1: All right with me now on the line. We've got

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Speaker 1: have Lucas Leaf, Matt Norton, and Darryl Spencer. And rather

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Speaker 1: who each of you are. UM, So maybe Lucas could

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Speaker 1: Boundary Waters. Yeah, absolutely, Mark um So, I'm the national

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Speaker 1: Modern Carnivore, which you know we can chat a little

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Speaker 1: you know what does that actually mean? Sure well, UM,

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Speaker 1: the effort to save the boundary waters from the biggest

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Speaker 1: which is sulfide or compromising of particularly UM toxic type

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Speaker 1: If success is defined as operating and closing without polluting

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Speaker 1: say for for absolutely, for a fact that every single

430
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: person that I've brought up and I've introduced to this

431
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: place has become hooked, no pun intended, but um, it

432
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: is an amazing space. Um. I wish I was there

433
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: right now, So yeah, I agree, Um, what what does

434
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: this place? What does the boundary bars actually look like?

435
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: Lucas can you can you tell us about the terrain,

436
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: the vegetation, the look and feel it of it, of

437
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: it all. Um, it's very, very different from southern Minnesota, right, yeah, absolutely.

438
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know Matt touched on it earlier. One

439
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: point one acres, those interconnected lake streams, rivers, wetlands, you know,

440
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: with countless different opportunities for you know, fishing, hunting, world

441
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: class opportunities, mallmouth, bass, lake, trout, walleyed northern pike, rough grouse,

442
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: fight sale. Um, you're really stepping into, stepping back in

443
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: the time when you go up there, and that's why

444
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: it's so important that you know it has been protected.

445
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: That's the way it is. You're you're stepping into a

446
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: into a northern forest that doesn't really exist anywhere else,

447
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, Stepford going up into the Cutico, which is

448
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: the sister area, which is about a million acres in

449
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: Canada as well. So, um, I can't express more that

450
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: you know, as much as I like to, just just

451
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: to describe exactly what it is. You can't know unless

452
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: you experience it for yourself. The quietness, the solitude, UM,

453
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: just the experience itself is just it's you can't compare

454
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: it to anywhere else, you know, I'd say that, you know,

455
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: I'd characterized the landscape up there. It's boreal forest mixed

456
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: in with some uh with northern bits here and there

457
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: of eastern broad leaf forest. Um, You've got rolling hills,

458
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: You've got cliffs and uh, you know, some really precipitous

459
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: cliffs and very deep lakes and places. The water is um.

460
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: You know, I've already said it's clean enough to drink,

461
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: but enormous amounts, enormous amounts of interconnected um lakes in

462
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: a in a very healthy forested, hilly and cliffs strewn

463
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: um landscape. There's really I think lakeland. A lake land

464
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: wilderness is really the best way to describe it. And

465
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: there really isn't any equivalent anywhere else in the US.

466
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: In fact, it's the biggest wilderness area east of the

467
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: Rockies and north of of the Everglades. So it's you know,

468
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: for most of America, this is this is the nearest

469
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: big wilderness that they've got. I was going to say,

470
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: and just to touch on what Matt was saying, Um,

471
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: you know there's individual lakes untouched there that produced their

472
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: own ecosystems. You know, you could go from one lake

473
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: to another and the lake trout what they're feeding on

474
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: is completely different. Um, the color of the fish, you know,

475
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: the ecosystem that they're living in. It's it's an amazing thing.

476
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I've fished a lake a quarter mile from

477
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: each other, independent upon the waters that are going into

478
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: each lake. Um, you have a completely different experience, different taste.

479
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: It's it's just amazing. Add I'd add to it. Um,

480
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: it looks like Minnesota, and the difference is it's the

481
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: one place where there aren't motors. It's not logging, and

482
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: there's very small amounts of motorized recreations. It's just a

483
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,239
Speaker 1: it's the one quiet place in Minnesota. But it it

484
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: looks like a lot of other places. It looks like

485
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: Secuity National Forest, it looks like Chipwa National Forests without

486
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: the roads, without the a t v s, and without

487
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the people. It sounds pretty special and

488
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: it sounds like, you know, what's neat about this area

489
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: is that as I think it was. I think Matt,

490
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: you mentioned that it's so relatively so accessible for a

491
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: lot of people. You know, east of the Mississippi. A

492
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: lot of people think when they think about big wilderness,

493
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: they assume they have to go to Alaska or Montana

494
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: or Wyoming or something like that. Um, but the Boundary

495
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: Waters are pretty darn close to people in Wisconsin or

496
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: Iowa or Nebraska or Illinois. It's it's within reach of

497
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: a you know, day's drive and you can be in

498
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: this vast, wild, quiet, special place. And I think that's

499
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: kind of cool for for myself and my listeners, and

500
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: and the fact that a lot of us deer hunters

501
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: here in the Midwest are different parts of the country,

502
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: I feel like we're so so far from these bigger,

503
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: wilder places, but in this case not really. And not

504
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: only that, but it's a big wild place where you

505
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: can take your hunting experiences in Michigan or Illinois or

506
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: Georgia and you can apply a little bit and chase

507
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: white tails in the Boundary Waters, which is what has

508
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: intrigued me so much. UM and Darryl, I saw some

509
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: pictures you sent over of some some really beautiful looking

510
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: white tail bucks that you have hunted up there, and UM,

511
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: so obviously you know what you're doing it sounds like

512
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: you've been out there hunting quite a bit. So I

513
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta ask you what is a What is

514
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: deer hunting in the boundary waters like I got I'm

515
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: imagining and assuming is very different from deer hunting in

516
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: most other places. Um, can you walk us through a

517
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: little bit about what a hunt there is? Like, what's

518
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: that look like? It's it's a lot different than even

519
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: hunting in northern Minnesota and in Sprra National Forests or

520
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: Chippawa National Forests. My wife and I have a hunting

521
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: camp up by Grand Rapids in the central part of

522
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: the state and the Chipwa National Forest. It's real remote,

523
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: way back in the middle of nowhere, and actually we're

524
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: lucky enough to have a big non motorized area next

525
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: to us. So I do a lot of sneak hunting

526
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: in there, and I really like it because I don't

527
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: have ohvs in there that kind of thing. Um. But

528
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, not too far down the road, there's guys

529
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: that own land and they're building food plots and that's

530
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: pulling deer even off of the national forest land. You

531
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: know that I like to hunt on and it's congregating

532
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: deer in that area, and the Bounder Water is just

533
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: like the last place we have left to go and

534
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: hunt them on their own terms. Nothing has been being

535
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: manipulated to screw that up. And uh, it's pretty cool.

536
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: And it's not like hunting. You know, I grew up

537
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: in central Minnesota as farms. You have figured out where

538
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: they betted, You figured out where they ate, and you

539
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: tried to intercept him in between or in them when

540
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: they're going there. The Bondy Water is not like that.

541
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: They eat everywhere. They's food all over the place they're

542
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: they're browsing up there. Um betting areas is there like

543
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: one betting area they use, not at all. A lot

544
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: of it has to do with um, just them surviving,

545
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: and them surviving might mean that there might be wolves

546
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: in the area and might push them out a mile

547
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: this way, two miles this way, three miles this way,

548
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: and and uh, and they'll just say that area if

549
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: they're safe, and then if they're not safe and the

550
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: people or they have wolves or you know, not enough food,

551
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: then they'll move from there. And Uh, there's just a

552
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: lot of it's a really cool place to hunt. There's

553
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: a lot of traditional sure trails, they use, trails of

554
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: the men used for hundreds of years during what they're

555
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: in these places that have find that would blow your mind.

556
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: And you know, we've had one one winner one hunt

557
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: in the fall. We saw on the spot that had

558
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: fifty strakes on the ground within two hundred yards, and

559
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: so that would make you want to just sit there

560
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: for a week, you know. I mean that that's quite

561
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: the spot, and that's some traditional trails there too, And

562
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: we ended up sitting there and we ended up shooting

563
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: a big buck jack. But I've been in a lot

564
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: of situations where I've I've had a good deer sign

565
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: and sat there for two days and didn't see a thing.

566
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: And it's just because they're getting moved around. And so

567
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm real big on sneak counting. I'm real big on

568
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: moving and trying to find them because there's just so

569
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: much land then to hide and if they're not there,

570
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: they're not there. And and so I do a lot

571
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: of paddling and a lot of walking. Yeah. So so

572
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm assuming the deer density is pretty low, is that?

573
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: Is that right? And then what about the age of deer.

574
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: Do you see a lot of older deer simply because

575
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: there's not as many hunters, or is that not the case?

576
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: The deer density is low. I mean, you know they

577
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: guess on that. Um, you know, somewhere between one to

578
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: five deer first square mile is what I normally here

579
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: up there. Um, you gotta be tough to live up there,

580
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: A tough place to live. If you see a buck,

581
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: it's big, Um, if they survive up there. I mean

582
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: we've had years up there where we've seen en deer,

583
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, sabing up more bucks and of the seven

584
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: five where you know, really big bucks, big mature bucks. Wow. Um,

585
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: we've had you know, I mean we always see a deer.

586
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: I always no. We always tell each other you're gonna

587
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: have one opportunity, and usually almost every year we have

588
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: one opportunity. So I've got years where I jumped six

589
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: or eight bucks, and you know, I have an opportunity

590
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: to get a couple of shots off, but usually I'm

591
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: lucky to get one opportunity to actually get a shot off. Mhm.

592
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: How do you that? That all sounds about what I expected.

593
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: And one of the biggest challenges though, just looking at

594
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: this from the outside in is and you alluded to

595
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: this earlier, the fact that in so many other places

596
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: in White Tail Country, you know, okay, they bet here,

597
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: they feed here, How do you get how do we

598
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: get in between? Or how do I you know, find

599
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: a pinch point during the rut and wait for them

600
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: to cruise by. There's different kind of basics to deer

601
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: hunting to find you know, understanding where deer are and

602
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: where you need to be. But in the landscape like this,

603
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: it just seems to your point, it seems they could

604
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: be almost anywhere. How do you go about finding deer?

605
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: Is there any kind of terrain or habitat type that

606
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: you've noticed they tend to cyrate around more, or or

607
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: anything that you've used to kind of figure out where

608
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: your starting point is. Well, when we picked the spot

609
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: where we deer hunt now, and we can't tell you

610
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 1: where that is, we have to kill you. Of course,

611
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: I would never ask you that. When we picked the spot,

612
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: we you know, we use topple maps and we looked

613
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: at um, you know, just general areas where we thought

614
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: would hold deer. And one of the things we looked

615
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: at there was a huge blowdown up there, which blew

616
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: down a lot of food. And we hunt close to

617
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: that blowdown area and there are more deer there than

618
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: other areas of the Bondy Waters. There are areas of

619
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: the Bondy Waters where there aren't many deer. Um necess

620
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: area here and holds quite a few deer. So looking

621
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: for those irregular features. And so I mean, we pray

622
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: a lot like those Eastern trackers, you know how blood

623
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: of anoit. You know, we pray for snow. We we

624
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: pray for what we pray for wind. And if I

625
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: can get you know, a wet ground and some wind,

626
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: and I'll just go and and I'll just sneak hunt

627
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: and try to sneak up to a buck and hit

628
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: the habitat that has held deer in the past. If

629
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: I get snow, then I will take it a step

630
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: farther and try to find a good track and and

631
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: get on it. Does does bow hunting up there sound like,

632
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: um a crazy idea given the challenges that you've talked to?

633
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: Or do people successfully ever do that? So there are

634
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: people at bow hunt up there? Just crossed my mind.

635
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: I bow hunts a ton around to Loose, Minnesota, and um,

636
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of my one special week that I go

637
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: up there, and I since I can use a gun.

638
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: I use a gun, and you know, we've shot deer

639
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: at fifteen yards, We've shot deer at thirty yards, and

640
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: shot deer at eight yards. Most of the shots are

641
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: relatively close. Um. You know. I I use a scope

642
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: that's basically designed for jump shooting. It's at two by seven.

643
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be afraid to use open sites either, wouldn't

644
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: be afraid to go up to a muzzle utter. If

645
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: the water was opened, I'd I'd go up to a

646
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: open sided muzzle letter two. Um, but you could certainly

647
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: both hunt up there. The big thing is just make

648
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: a good shot. You don't want to be tracked, you know,

649
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: an animal off there. It's easy to get lost. You

650
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: don't have all those reference points to find your way back.

651
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: A lot of times your reference point is a lake,

652
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you find yourself a mile

653
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: south of that lake, and it's been tricking getting back

654
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: to it, you know. And yeah, you can say you

655
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: have a GPS, but and I do carry a GPS,

656
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: and I use it, but I still have a compass,

657
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: and I still use that compass to get me back

658
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: to the general area where my canoe was, where my

659
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: camp was but there's no road to hit, you know, yeah,

660
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: very different. Now you mentioned sometimes you canoe around. How

661
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: do you do you I had someone else semi message

662
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: or something who said that his buddies just will hop

663
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: in their canoe for the day and just paddle around

664
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: the edges or paddle down rivers and hope to just

665
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: spot one while they're paddling and then make a move

666
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: in that kind of way. How do you do you

667
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: do something like that at all? I've shot deer in

668
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: my canoe before, not in the Bounty Waters and Chippewa

669
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: National Forest. Hunting a river, a zig Zaggi river where

670
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: when you know it's easy to sneak sneak up to

671
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: ducks and it's easy to sneak up to deer. Um.

672
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: Paddling around a lake and hoping to bump into a buck.

673
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: You never know. During the rout they do dumb things. Um.

674
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: You know, I've I've heard of it. Um. But that's

675
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: not in general howigh hunt? I mean I pick areas

676
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: where I know a whole deer, and every year are

677
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: inventory of good places to hunt increases. And get up

678
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: in the morning and play the wind. The wind is here.

679
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: The four Spots to be good and go to those

680
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: the spots and the wind changes, you might go to

681
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: a different spot maybe if the day where the wind changes,

682
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: and decide explore another spot. Um. But it's just a

683
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: lot of alone time, which I love being in the

684
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: woods by myself, being in the back country by myself

685
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: and exploring new country. And I canna. I can hunt

686
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: the whole day, never see a dear and come back

687
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: to camp and just say, well, what a great day. Yeah,

688
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: pretty special place you don't see anyone. And to be honest,

689
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: I was super apprehensive about coming out here, Mark because

690
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: your podcast many times. But I don't want to see

691
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: you up there or everybody else up there in the

692
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: back country. Um. But I don't think we will bump

693
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: into each other. It's one thing to say you're gonna

694
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: do it's another thing to do it. Um. And you know,

695
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: it's like I said, I mean, there's a lot of

696
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: places you can say you like the back country and

697
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: all that, but you know, in Minnesota, you know, Chippewa

698
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: National Forest, Pure National Forest. There's a lot of back

699
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: country areas, but there's always a road you can reference

700
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: and even if you get totally turned around and washed,

701
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: you could set up camp for the day and the

702
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: next morning, you know, you walk north six miles, you're

703
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: gonna hit the road, but in the boundary waters you

704
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: screw it up to be in Canada. And then you

705
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: could set that other millionaires weldness up there and and

706
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: you know you got a long walk. Uh, it's pretty

707
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: serious back country travel. You better know what you're doing

708
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: with a GPS and a compans um. And I just

709
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: that's just something I just love to do. I like

710
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: to go get lost every single day and find my

711
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: way out. It's just a way for me to test

712
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: and improve my skills. Yeah. I understand where you're coming

713
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: from and the desire to not want to bump into

714
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: anyone else. I get that. Um, if I see up there,

715
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: I'll make sure it turned the other way and make

716
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: sure you don't spot me. But it's to your point, though,

717
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: it does seem like the kind of experience that you

718
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: better be prepared for. It's not the kind of place

719
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: you can just show up and take off and think

720
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be just like driving down to the nearest

721
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: wood lot and hunting back on your back forty. Um.

722
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned that just last night my buddy

723
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: who who's going to go on this trip with me?

724
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: You know, he's been thinking about it and doing all

725
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: sorts of research and all that, and he texted me

726
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: He's like, do you realize how little space is going

727
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: to be left in a canoe after we load for

728
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: the week? Dot dot dot stressing a bit. Probably not

729
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: gonna have a hard botcase, huh. And and yeah, that

730
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: seems like the logistics of pulling off something like this

731
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: have got to be pretty challenging to How do you,

732
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: I mean anything you could add on that, Darryl or

733
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: Matt as far as the logistics of getting everything in

734
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: and out, um, it seems like that's a trick in itself.

735
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: All we've got each each of us have an outline

736
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: of the things that we bring, and you know, we're

737
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: we do this trip together. So there's things that Matt brings,

738
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: there's things that I bring. We've got some mutual things

739
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: we've had. We've had canvas wall camp, We've had, you know,

740
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: a stainless stove, wood stove. You know, that whole set

741
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: up weighed close to sixty pounds. When I was in

742
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: my thirties, I just thought nothing of it and not

743
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: on we've gotten older, we've lightened things up. Now we've

744
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: got a got a camp that's made out of parachute material,

745
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: a lot like a speak outside or kafaru. We have

746
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: a company in Minnesota called Cook Custom Sewing that made it.

747
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: And then we've got a titanium uh stive. The whole

748
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: set up place twenty pounds, so that's pretty cool. Um.

749
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: And then just you know, everything is fine too, and

750
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: from your stocks to the number of underwear you need,

751
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: how many gloves and when you look at the forecast

752
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: and tweet it a little bit here and there. But um,

753
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, if if you're going there, I'd be happy

754
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: to put on the phone with you and go through

755
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: my list a little bit and help you out, you know,

756
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: picking the right things. And we bring some luxury things

757
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: that we don't have to bring, you know. In the

758
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: tenth uh. You know, we have we have cots, which

759
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: nice to get off the ground. It's also nice to

760
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: build to store things under the cot. It makes for

761
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: a lot more room in your tent um. You know.

762
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: We bring a great meal. The first night or two

763
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: we actually bring venice stakes the first night ballad and potatoes,

764
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: and the second night we do burritos with the left

765
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: left over medicine. And then from that point on we're

766
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: we're just eating mountain house, which is fine. I mean

767
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: you're so tired at the end of the day that

768
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, you eat a mountain house and you're sleeping

769
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: by seven d at night. Met would you add anything

770
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: on that front? Well, I, um, you know, we use

771
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: a pair of canoes, so that increases our um, you know,

772
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: ability to get material in and and get it out hopefully,

773
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, with with the buck um in the canoe

774
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: with you. I think you know, having two canoes is

775
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: a little bit safer. Um, Darryll, I think you know,

776
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. In fact, I think rather

777
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: than getting a big Minnesota three or something like that

778
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: to carry us in the gear, which should be close,

779
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: I think Darryll recommended the taking the two solo canoes

780
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: the first time we went up there. You know, go

781
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: with wool and make sure that you've got you know,

782
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: dry bag full of extra roll and uh and shell layers.

783
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: You don't necessary you know what the weather is going

784
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: to be like, and you can get into a situation

785
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: where either because uh you didn't control you weren't able

786
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: to control how much you're sweating um or you know,

787
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: in a really bad situation if you're to roll the

788
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: canoe where you need to be able to get dry

789
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: um and get warm really fast. It's uh, um, tipping

790
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: a canoe in November. Uh in Minnesota, northern Minnesota is

791
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: not acute um thing to happen. It's uh, you're taking

792
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: your life in your hands. And so yeah, make sure

793
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: you've got all your all your important gear in in

794
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: dry bags. The canoe thing is is a big deal. Um.

795
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: The water temperature is so cold then even in mid October.

796
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: I think I had heard that that's kind of when

797
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: you're thinking about going. You cannot you cannot go swimming.

798
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: If you do, you you might die. So you need

799
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: to make sure that you know the lake is paddleable

800
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: if you're you know, if you're a good canoe. That's

801
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: different than if you haven't paddled a lot. I mean,

802
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: if you if there's three or four footers and you

803
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: have a good paddler and you're in a solo canoe,

804
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd go out. We've got days

805
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: where we just hunted on foot because the lake was

806
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: too you know, just had there's too much wind Um.

807
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: If you get a chance to rent a canoe, my

808
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: opinion would be the best canoe for hunting up there.

809
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 1: A solo canoe is a canoe called the Solo Plus

810
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: made by Monona and all the outfitters and early'll have it.

811
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: And it's a canoe that you can paddle with two

812
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: people or it's got a sender seat, got a lot

813
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: of volume to it, and it actually paddles really nice. Um.

814
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: And then you know the makes you have two battles too.

815
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people that have broken the paddle or

816
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: lost the paddle and umlo solo boat and they see

817
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: you have two battles. That's great advice. Yeah, that extra

818
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: pat the other thing, um you know you mean this

819
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: probably goes without saying that. Um, it's the time of

820
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: the year, particularly November when and lately we've got a

821
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: lot of really normally warm um hunts. But that's not

822
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: always that way. You really watch you're long term weather

823
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: forecast and you know the night before you go up

824
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: or the morning of, if you can print out a

825
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: long term forecast, what the temperatures and what the wind

826
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: directions speeds are likely to be. That's less about hunting

827
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: than making sure that you know when winds are expected

828
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: to drop and temperatures expected to drop, because if you

829
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: paddle in UM, you know, paddle and porters and paddle again,

830
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: you are in a situation where if I can't if

831
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: the wind needs dropped overnight and the temperatures are in

832
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: the teams, you could wake up and find that there's

833
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: ice on the lake in the morning. You can't paddle

834
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: sol of the new UM, you know safely even with

835
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: two people, you know, breaking ice in front, not when

836
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: you're loaded with gear. So you just have to be

837
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: careful to make sure you can get out cats you've

838
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: gotten in. But that's another important piece of equipment that

839
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: we bring as the weather radio, and we're checking it

840
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: all the time. And this year is the perfect example.

841
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: We went to Eally on Friday morning and looked at

842
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: the forecast and I said to Mattice had met the

843
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: temperature drops two degrees where we're coming out, and we

844
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: both wanted to go so bad. And by Saturday afternoon

845
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: and we knew we're coming out in a hurry, and

846
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: thank god we did because by Tuesday lakes are freezing

847
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: up there well. So So considering this topic of climate

848
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: and temperatures. Um, you mentioned Darryl that you guys use

849
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: a tent with a with a stove. Is that kind

850
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: of a mandatory thing up there? Given how cold the

851
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: temperatures can get you, you probably want to have a

852
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: setup that has a stove. And I guess also a

853
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: safety precaution just in case you do tip in. Is

854
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: that what you guys would recommend. Yeah, you know a

855
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: couple of reasons. Matt talked about just drying your clothes out.

856
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: I mean some there's some days where you just got

857
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: bad weather and at the end of the day, you're

858
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: just wet, and it's not like you've got three different

859
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: outfits which you can't carry that much gear, you know. Uh,

860
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: so you've got to drive that stuff out. So the

861
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: wood still allows you to dry it all out. And

862
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: we've got ours all rigged up so that we can

863
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: have clothes hanging all over it and you know, stoked

864
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: that data up at night and they're the thing was

865
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: drying in the morning. So it's pretty nice to have

866
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: the tents in the woodstoves, um, just you know, for

867
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: safety lives survival wives. I mean, I had opening day

868
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: this year. I was dead set on getting to a spot,

869
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, probably two miles from where our camp was.

870
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: And I took off and I had all the right here,

871
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: all dressed in wool, and we had just gotten like

872
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: ten inches the snow up there, and there was snow

873
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: on every tree and everything was just wet. And I

874
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: got to the first spot that is a great spot,

875
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: and I was just like, no, I really want to

876
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 1: get to that spot. Love story short. By two o'clock

877
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, I was so wet that I was

878
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: sitting back at camp drying my stuff off. Um. You know,

879
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: I got to a point where I was like, you know,

880
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: I'm not hunting for the day now, I'm gonna go

881
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: back and dry my stuff out and make sure that

882
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: I can hunt tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah, It definitely seems like

883
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: it's the kind of trip that sometimes just comes down

884
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: to survival. It's it's a hunting trip, but it's also

885
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: just can you can you make it out here? It's

886
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: not an easy landscape, very unforgiving sounds like which which

887
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: is definitely something that makes for one of those types

888
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: of adventures that are so special to UM. So I

889
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: have two more quick logistical questions before we move on.

890
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: UM One, what's your recommended way of getting a deer

891
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: out do you guys, do you guys like to quarter

892
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: it up and put it in game bags like you're

893
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: out west or what do you do there? We just

894
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: drag it out, put in the canoe and it pictures

895
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: all the way out. Pretty cool. It's like a big

896
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: celebration coming out. It's a ton of work, um, but

897
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: we'll drag it right across the portages and uh it's

898
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: it's a ton of work, but it's just a great day. Yeah.

899
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: So that was my final question then, and that's good

900
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: to know that that's how you guys doing it. So

901
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: the portages, I gotta imagine with so much gear in

902
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: so many different things. Um, I was just curious if

903
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: you have a certain process to make it as easy

904
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: as possible, or a certain anything you do different or

905
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: unique to handle a portage with you know, all sorts

906
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,479
Speaker 1: of hunting gear, rifles, stuff to live in gear, maybe

907
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: a dear food, um, any way of packing things out

908
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: or whatever it is to to handle those types of

909
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, getting from one light to one light type situations.

910
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: So well we all we have you know, great gear,

911
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: great bags, um. And the one thing we've learned is

912
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: it's it's better to have things in a bag, you know. Yeah,

913
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: you can grab six things in one hand and six

914
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: things on the other hand, and it's just hard to

915
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: balance and get it across the portage like that. So

916
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: we'll use our bags, their canoe packs and um, you know,

917
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: most of the time on the way end, it's it's

918
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: three trips in on each portage. There's not a lot,

919
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, you just take your time and and then

920
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: the way out we're looking at you know, probably three

921
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: trips out with all of the year and vote and uh,

922
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: and then it's a deer across um, which is uh

923
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if you shoot a buck up there,

924
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: set the buck up there, it's over to pound. So

925
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: I think about the coste pies is a kind of work.

926
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: Um yeah, yeah, I mean I don't think you'd be

927
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: crazy to quarter a gear. We just have always just

928
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: dug it out and uh, put in the canoes and

929
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: taking pictures and sounds like a heck of an experience,

930
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Um. But am I am I right

931
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: in assuming it's all worth it? Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely,

932
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: it's worth it. Absolutely, it's worth it. Um, you know,

933
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: the the first the first year uh. We Well, the

934
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: first year that I hunted up there, I hunted up

935
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: there with Darrel, and you know, coming out on the

936
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: morning we were coming out, you got a lot of

937
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: work to do, you know, packing up, breaking camp down,

938
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: making sure everything's clean, leaving the jumped behind. You know,

939
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: you got paddle you gotta unload everything. You know, at

940
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: at the portage, you got to carry everything over the portage.

941
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 1: You grab your canoe and carry that over the portage

942
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: and you got to load it again. Um. And if

943
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: you you know, the last step, if you have um,

944
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: if you've got to uh a dough or a buck,

945
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: the drag over is that And that is the most

946
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: exhausting leg of any portage. It's absolutely exhausting. But every

947
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: step of the way you get closer. You know, by

948
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: the time you got everything back in your vehicle and

949
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: you you're driving back. UM that year, you know, um,

950
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 1: Darrell is nice enough to you don't have any allowing

951
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: me to butcher uh the buck at his place and

952
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: the good advice. And it still took me a long

953
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: time to get it done, get all the meat package stuff.

954
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: And you know, by the time you're done with that,

955
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: it's you know late at night midnight. Maybe we've had

956
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: an enormous day, the enormous amount of work, and nonetheless,

957
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: even if it's the most work you ever put into

958
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: uh an outdoor experience, it's it was still the most

959
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: fabulous hunting engstrands I've ever had. Can there's some years

960
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: with the weather we can't go. We've had a few

961
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: years and my kids were grown up that I didn't

962
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: go because I wanted to, uh just spend those young

963
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: years with my kids in the deer stand, and I

964
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: did it with both of them. My oldest is twenty

965
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: and my youngest is fourteen. And now they're old enough

966
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: that I had told both of them, you guys, both hunts,

967
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: and just know that I'm gonna be gone for that

968
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: first week of deer hunting. Is you know? My little

969
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: one says, well, when can I go? I said, you

970
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: can go whenever you want to go, but this is

971
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: what it's all about, and so whenever you're ready for that,

972
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: then you can come and I'll teach you everything that

973
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: I know. And I think a little one, for sure

974
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: it is going to come someday. I'm not sure when

975
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: um big one might come too. So they both ask

976
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: a lot of questions and have a ton of interest

977
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: in it. It's just got me over here kind of

978
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: chomping at the bit, just all the stories of I'm

979
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: one of those types too that I'm kind of a

980
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: glutton for punishment. I enjoy a good suffer fest. So

981
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: it sounds like, um, this is a great combination of

982
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: so many of my loves. Um But but man, it's

983
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: it seems like such a unique deer hunting opportunity and

984
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: any kind of outdoor experience. It sounds gonna be pretty

985
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: incredible there. But from a deer hunting perspective too, that

986
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: just seems like one of, if not the most unique

987
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: deer hunting trip you could do in the United States

988
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: compared to what most other you know, deer hunting spots

989
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: are your experiences are like. So it's just got a

990
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of appeal to me. Um But I could

991
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: I could probably rant and rave and and wonder about

992
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: deer hunting in the Boundary Waters for for three hours. Um.

993
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: But real quick, lucas, you I know do a lot

994
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: of upland hunting out there too, and fishing. Can you

995
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: give us a quick primer and what the upland and

996
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: fishing is like out there before we move on, But

997
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: before that, let's take a quick break for word from

998
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: our partners at white Tail Properties. This week with white

999
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: Tail Properties, we are joined by Justin Mason, a land

1000
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: specialist out of Illinois, and Justin is going to be

1001
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: telling us about what are some of his favorite scouting

1002
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: strategies for this time of year, and am I go

1003
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: to spot at the end of winter has to be

1004
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: kind of those stick betting sanctuary areas. Um, you know,

1005
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: Primarily I'm doing two things late winter, starting to look

1006
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: you know for sheds, but then also trying to figure out,

1007
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, if I can nail down specifically more of

1008
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: the deer pattern travel patterns. So I'll usually go into

1009
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: the kind of the south facing slopes up towards the

1010
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: top of the ridge, find some of that thicker habitat

1011
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: with maybe some locust trees because oftentimes they'll go to

1012
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: those locust pods and feet on them or honeysuckle, anything

1013
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of the thicker the better, so that I can

1014
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: really dive into and see how they're traveling through it,

1015
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, hopefully I can score and pick

1016
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: up a shed. If you'd like to learn more and

1017
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: to see the properties that Justin currently has listed for sale.

1018
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: Visit whitetail properties dot com. Backslash Mason that's m A

1019
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: S O N man. I mean we could talk about

1020
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: the fishing opportunities up there until are blue in the face. Um.

1021
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: You know, like I mentioned before, I grew up doing

1022
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: uh doing you know, spring opener lake trout trips and

1023
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: you know it's the same the same rules apply that

1024
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: that Matt and Dare are talking about. You know, you

1025
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: have situations there where you know the water is so

1026
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: called the device is possibly coming out. You have to

1027
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: be extremely prepared. Um. You run into crazy different weather situations.

1028
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: I mean I have been stuck in camp because of

1029
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: three to four ft rollers for two days on on

1030
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: one of the larger lakes out there too, waiting for

1031
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: ice out to come out. But um, you know, the

1032
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: the rewards that way, the risk always up there and

1033
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: if you're smart about it and you're safe and diligent

1034
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: on the way you're approaching it, Um, it's it's always

1035
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: a life changing experience. Um. Again for me, you know,

1036
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: the lake trop trips are always the best. And getting

1037
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: up there and and enjoying that situation where there's not

1038
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: too many people up and having fun with your friends. Um.

1039
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: For Lake Proud, it's it's it's just one of a

1040
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: kind of experience. It's a world class experience, especially when

1041
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: you can get into um um, one of the best

1042
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: fish I've ever had as a uh you know shore

1043
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: lunch meal in camp I mean I as a chef myself.

1044
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: I can say right now that that is probably one

1045
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: of the best meals I've ever had. And my mouth

1046
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: is watering just thinking of it at the moment um.

1047
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: You know, while I in June July are are just

1048
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: it's so awesome. The colors on those fits are so

1049
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: much different again, you know, referencing back to just the

1050
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: way the ecosystem up there is is up there. It's

1051
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: just amazing. Um. You know, you have amazing pipe fishing

1052
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: opportunities depending upon how your approach, I mean fly fisherman's

1053
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, this is a great opportunity for people who

1054
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: go out there and something that I just got into

1055
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: two and it's so much fun. Um. I just took

1056
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: my dad last year on a really cool small mouth

1057
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: bass trip just as the actual sponding was happening, and

1058
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: we got into him and it was so awesome. We

1059
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: were trying to outrun thunderstorms. We sat there and the

1060
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: fish were so active. We kind about sixty fish in

1061
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: about three hours to camp out on on a site

1062
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: just to wait out the storm. And got back and

1063
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: we're battling as we're paddling through as the storm was

1064
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: coming back. And got back to camp and throughout some

1065
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: bouder sets with leeches as we were making dinner and

1066
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: caught wildlife for the next morning. Um, the fishing opportunities

1067
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: up there are barn the best, the best experience I've

1068
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,959
Speaker 1: ever had freshwater fishing. UM, rough rouse hunting. That's something

1069
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: a little bit newer to me. I've been doing it

1070
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: for the last handful of years. We've you know, at

1071
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: the campaign, we've been doing some really awesome you know

1072
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: media journalist trips where we're bringing people up you know,

1073
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: field and stream and uh, lots of different you know

1074
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: writers out our news. And we had a really cool

1075
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: trip in October where we went up to this lake

1076
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: called Rose Lake up the gun Flint side, which is

1077
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: the eastern side of the b w c A. And

1078
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, we went out and these guys were fly

1079
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: fishing for pike and small mouth bass and awesome walk again,

1080
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: referencing what Daryl was saying earlier about the Border Route

1081
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: trail and going on a three four mile hike and

1082
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: shooting a couple of birds and bringing them back for dinner. Um,

1083
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, Rougher House up there is amazing and I'm actually,

1084
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: come to think of it. You know, the first time,

1085
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: one of the first times I met darryl Um, we

1086
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: were speaking at a event that Sports and for the

1087
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: Boundy Waters is having up into Loose and you know,

1088
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: he was just talking about rough grouse hunting up there too,

1089
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: and it's just an amazing, amazing opportunity for that. And

1090
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: you you know, you can go up and do an

1091
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: awesome cast and glass up there in October as well.

1092
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: So get up and do some you know, late season

1093
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: small Mouth bath and Northern Pike and put a couple

1094
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: of rough grouts in the pan and you're pretty much

1095
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 1: good to go on a great cool night without the bugs. Yeah.

1096
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even begin to describe the experiences

1097
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: up there, But you know what I've always said to

1098
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: people is you won't know until you get up there yourself. Yeah,

1099
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: if I could, if I could add to what Lucas

1100
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: is saying in my twenties. That's kind of how I

1101
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: really started exploring the back country. The boundary waters is

1102
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: grouse hunting, and I did have a dog. But the

1103
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: grouse are a lot like the deer. I mean, they

1104
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: did not expect see human beings. You'll rarely wash the

1105
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: grouse and then you know, once they figure out it's

1106
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: a human being, then you might flush it. But they

1107
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: just don't expect to see people. And you know you're

1108
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: sneak hunting deer up there. They don't expect a person

1109
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: to come walk into the woods. So can you sneak

1110
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: yards from the deer? You can. They're not used to

1111
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: seeing people up there, and then when they do see it,

1112
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: they're gone. Um. But the grouse are a lot the

1113
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: same way. And if there's a lot, there are a

1114
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: lot of growth up there, and it's a great place

1115
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: to build outside it. Yeah, it really isn't you know.

1116
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: You don't want to say an untouched landscape, but you

1117
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: know it has a minimal footprint that gives you so

1118
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: many amazing opportunities to experience, uh wonderful fishing and hunting opportunities.

1119
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: So um, I'm just happy for every experience I've ever

1120
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: had up there, and you know, grateful of the people

1121
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: I've brought up, and grateful for the people that I

1122
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: know that that care about it as much as I do.

1123
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: Just hearing you guys talk about all this, I've already

1124
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm already sitting here thinking to myself, is there any

1125
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: way I can get a summer trip into it? Sounds

1126
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: like there's just um, there's no shortage of reasons to

1127
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: get out there and check this place out. Um Uh.

1128
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: An October trip might not be enough, But I think

1129
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: I think we've very clearly established that this is a

1130
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: special place in a unique experiences can be had there

1131
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm really excited to see and feel myself.

1132
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: But the whole reason why this whole area really came

1133
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: to my attention though, was because it's a place at risk.

1134
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: Um And Matt you you did. You touched on this

1135
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: a little bit towards the beginning, um, but I'd love

1136
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: for you to really dive in a little bit deeper

1137
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: for us and what's going on with the boundary wires.

1138
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: What's the history of of of why people first started

1139
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: getting concerned about some things going on. I think was

1140
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: maybe in twos and fourteen or fifteen where some things start.

1141
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: Some concerns were being raised, and can you walk us

1142
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: through what's happened and and then where do we stand

1143
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: most recently with some changes that we're announced at the

1144
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: end of two thousand seventeen. The the big threat to

1145
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: this place, which is a place defined by water, in

1146
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: a place that every American equally owns UM is from

1147
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: sulfide to our copper mining. And it's very very different

1148
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: from the mining that Fennosotans are familiar to with, which

1149
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: is iron mining, taconite mining, UM ullifier copper mining is

1150
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: a class of hard rock mining, and it has um

1151
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: a horrible record of polluting and it's uh the potion

1152
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: from talking about heavy metals like a snake, cadmium, mercury um.

1153
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: And and because the low grade or that you know

1154
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: now we have the the mining industry has technology to

1155
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: to mind these low grade deposits UM. They just make

1156
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: the minds bigger and they operate on slimmer margins. UM.

1157
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: There's interest in in mining a very large, very very

1158
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: low grade um deposit. It's actually a stream of horrible

1159
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:43,799
Speaker 1: deposits that are right alongside and underneath the South Pushy

1160
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 1: River and Birch Lake, which are two water bodies just

1161
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: outside of the wilderness boundary, but that flow. The water

1162
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: from there flows into the into the wilderness. And these

1163
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: UM these deposits for them, three of them would be

1164
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: UH surface mines open pit mines, and two of them

1165
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: would be deeper than that underground. UM. There'd be a

1166
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:16,520
Speaker 1: couple of square miles of surface UH infrastructure for processing

1167
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: the ore, UM storing all the materials that they would use,

1168
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 1: just UH UM energy infrastructure, roads, pipelines, and then there'd

1169
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: be you know, an enormous tailing space and it would

1170
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: be well, they've got seven thousand akers locked up now

1171
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: that would provide space for the tailing space and so UM.

1172
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: You know, that's more than ten square miles. So so

1173
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: this is UM. It's a very real threat. The company

1174
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: at issue is to Lean comper mining company at the

1175
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 1: eighth or ninth largest and copper mining company in the

1176
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 1: world UM, and it's called Antifagasta. UH. They have a

1177
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: record as reported in you know the newspapers and prosecuted

1178
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: in Chile UH water pollution down there, even though where

1179
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: their minds are in the high desert down they're one

1180
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: of the driest regions on the planet. Um there's very

1181
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: very little water even there, they managed to pollute water.

1182
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: And that company, Antifagasta, bought up and now completely controls

1183
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: who companies that one called Twin Metal are called Franconi

1184
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: in minerals and those two companies. You know, I have

1185
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: this plan um to build a series of you know,

1186
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: uh for minds. And given the track record that we've

1187
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: seen even with modern minds in the in the United States, um,

1188
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: they pollut. So it's a very very real threat. And

1189
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: what we're uh working to do is to first prevent

1190
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: the mining companies from getting expired leases renewed. I can

1191
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: talk about that in a little bit, because the leases

1192
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: say in the terms of them that they convey the

1193
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: right to mind. The second thing we're trying to do

1194
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: is to make sure that the federal lands just outside

1195
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,799
Speaker 1: of the wilderness boundary, but in the area that drains

1196
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: into the wilderness, that those lands are put off limits

1197
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: and new mineral leasing for twenty years. We want a

1198
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: twenty year time out, and if we get that, then

1199
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 1: we will take the fight to Congress and ask Congress

1200
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 1: to pass a law permanently protecting these federal lands in

1201
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: that watershed. So the current position we're in is one

1202
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,799
Speaker 1: where the Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management

1203
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: are asking for input. We've got a common period that

1204
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: closes next Wednesday, February UM and Sportsman for the Boundary

1205
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: Waters has a petition up on our website and we

1206
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: ask everybody to sign that petition. That's the first thing

1207
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 1: that people can do to help express support for putting

1208
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:29,839
Speaker 1: these lands off limits for twenty years. UM, express support

1209
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: for continuing the study of the proposal. You know, whether

1210
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: this is the right or the wrong place, this water

1211
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: rich environment, whether it's the right or the wrong place

1212
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: for the most polluting type of mining in the country. UM.

1213
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: And after you've signed a petition, all your U S

1214
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: Senators and call your US, your house member, your representatives

1215
01:13:56,439 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: accounishment and tell them you want a flagship wilderness area

1216
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 1: on national forest lands that we all own together protected.

1217
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: The only way, given the track rectors of this industry,

1218
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: the only way to protect this area is to put

1219
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: those lands off when it's de mining for twenty years.

1220
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: So that's the fight. It's a worthy cause, a worthy goal,

1221
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: and we definitely need your listeners. UH. Thank these relative

1222
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: to small actions and speak up and and sport the cause. So,

1223
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: so let me play devil's advocate here. Let's say I'm

1224
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: a I'm a guy or girl who excuse me, I'm

1225
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: a guy a girl here who says there are millions

1226
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: of acres of public land up in northern Minnesota. UM.

1227
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: I believe that you know there's nothing wrong with resource

1228
01:14:56,200 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: extraction on some of our public lands. UM. Wire you

1229
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: guys making such a big deal about just four little

1230
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: mining leases um in this area. UM. So what if

1231
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 1: someone is saying that to you, I'm curious what's your

1232
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: reply would be? And then also help us understand what

1233
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: if this happens? What if the leases get approved? What

1234
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: if Twin Medals goes in here and makes these minds

1235
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: um starts going through these processes. What's the what's the

1236
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: impact on the boundary waters, on the hunting and fishing? Well,

1237
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the actual thing at stake here? Sure? Sure? Well, so, UM,

1238
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with with resource substraction. UM.

1239
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 1: You know I went to forest school right now. A

1240
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: lot of the lamps that are an issue here, they

1241
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: are UM. If you know it's working forest, uh, it

1242
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: provides habitat uh. And you know the Forest Service for

1243
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: a variety of uses, and timber harvest is one of

1244
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: those uses. This proposal to put the land off in

1245
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: that's the soulified or comprom mining doesn't it doesn't affect

1246
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 1: that they'll still be logging. So it's not really about

1247
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: resource experianction. That's the first thing I would say. Second,

1248
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: I would say that with regard to Minnesota's uh, you know,

1249
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: number one mining activity, iron mining, tacking that mining. UM,

1250
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 1: this withdrawal doesn't affect that doesn't stop any of the

1251
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: attacking on minds because those attacking I minds, the iron

1252
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 1: minds are in they're in other locations thinking other hole UM.

1253
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: And uh so that's really important to get across UM. Finally,

1254
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: I would say that, ah, you know, hm, there is

1255
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: this idea that in the mining industry takes advantage of

1256
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: this and pretty much every state where they try to

1257
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: get a mine in where they talk about how every

1258
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: state got the best and our mental protection measures and

1259
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: laws in the nation, and they say, you know, we can,

1260
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: we can meet those laws. Well, at the same time,

1261
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: they were often at the state legislators are trying to

1262
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: roll back the laws they don't like. They're talking about.

1263
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,560
Speaker 1: Of both sides of them Now. The other thing is

1264
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:20,759
Speaker 1: mining companies exist for one reason, to return a profit,

1265
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 1: the greatest profit that they can to their shareholders. Uh.

1266
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: And to leave all of the risks, long term risks

1267
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: of pollution with the whole on the ground that they

1268
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,560
Speaker 1: walk away from when they're done. That's what they do.

1269
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 1: They they sing their swants on when they try to

1270
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: woo communities to let them come in and mind, and

1271
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't walk into these communities. They don't

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01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: walk into the city hall uh, you know and say

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01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: we'd like to come here, we'd like to take away

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01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 1: the will uh and send it to our boardroom. Uh.

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01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: And we'd like to leave you with ruined landscape and

1276
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: poluted water. It's gonna last for two years. That's not

1277
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: what they say. Now. They tell a very different story.

1278
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: But if you go and look at the communities that

1279
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: used to be major mining communities there, there would be

1280
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: Montana and other places there. They are. Um, while they

1281
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: have so many great attributes, one of them is not

1282
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: lots of beautiful uh you know lands and clean water. Um.

1283
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: That's taken away when you when you start talking about

1284
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: hard rock mining, sulfide or copper mining. That's taken away.

1285
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: But what would happen if they get in. Here's what

1286
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: we have. The sulfide or copper. The sulfide copper or

1287
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: that they dig up, very very low grade of that

1288
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: is going to stay, um, you know, in the region

1289
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: and uh, but it's not going to be the big

1290
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: block of bedrock it once was which didn't pollute. Bed

1291
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: Rock really doesn't pollute because it weathers so slowly. It

1292
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: takes millennium, it takes ages ages to weather and so

1293
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't pollute. But when you grind that, you know

1294
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 1: amount of rock, you know amount of the amount of

1295
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: rock many times bigger than the US Bank Stadium where

1296
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 1: the world where the where the super Bowl is just played, um,

1297
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: many many times bigger than you grind that up to

1298
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: the fineness of space powder. You expose all of that

1299
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 1: rock to air and water, and the sulfides in it

1300
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: convert to sulfuric acid. And that's why pure acid leaches

1301
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: down through that, through that tailings through that waste rock

1302
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: leaches out the heavy metals that I talked about early,

1303
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 1: which are neurotoxins. They get into the fish, they get

1304
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: into the water, um. And if if you eat fish,

1305
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna get into you. Mercure is a potent neurotoxin

1306
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:06,520
Speaker 1: and it does damage to the developing brains of fetuses

1307
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: and young children, nursing children and kids in their grade

1308
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 1: school years, and it it reduces their i Q. And

1309
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: if you have a reduced i Q, you've got to

1310
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: reduce total brain capacity for your life. This is not

1311
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: just about you know, this is not some little thing.

1312
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: It's we're talking about centuries. And I don't say that widely.

1313
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: Two D five hundred years minimum of pollution would come

1314
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: from these sites and it flows, it would flow right

1315
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: into the heart of the boundary, so that you know,

1316
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: that really would do grievous damage to what is the

1317
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: absence of the boundary waters and that's clean water. But luckily,

1318
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: luckily we don't have to go this route because there

1319
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: are lots of places to mine copper. Copper is copper

1320
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 1: is copper. You can mind it anywhere, but there's only

1321
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: one boundary waters and people should keep that in mind.

1322
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: If your favorite resource extraction, that doesn't mean you have

1323
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 1: to you know, minding everyone right, right, Yeah, that's that's

1324
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: always something that I that I think about a lot

1325
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: too um Being against something like this doesn't mean that

1326
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 1: you're taking some full sweep against all mining or logging

1327
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: or drilling or whatever type of resource extraction at a

1328
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: question might be UM. But as a hunter, as an angler,

1329
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: as a as a hiker or a paddler, someone who

1330
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: understands these places and appreciates these places, I think it's

1331
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: pretty fair to say, um, at least from my perspective,

1332
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: that there can't we have some of these places that

1333
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: are too special to risk some of these things. Can't

1334
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: we find some areas that we can say, all right,

1335
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: you know this is a place where maybe this isn't

1336
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: the right use, Maybe this is maybe the highest use.

1337
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 1: Here is is wildlife habitat and recreation and and in

1338
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: a quiet space. Um to your point, there are there

1339
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: are plenty of places where you can mind copper or

1340
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 1: where you can do X, Y or Z. I think

1341
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: I remember, and someone's gonna email me and tell me

1342
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: I'm wrong on this, But I believe the number I

1343
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: saw was that of our federal public lands are open

1344
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: to resource extraction, etcetera, etcetera. So maybe it's okay that

1345
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: we can have a little buffer strip here around one

1346
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,560
Speaker 1: of the most special places that we say no this,

1347
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: we need to be a little extra careful here. UM,

1348
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem so outrageous to me at least, UM,

1349
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: given so it's not right. Yeah, I agree with you,

1350
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: it's not outrageous. I mean, we're lucky enough to have uh,

1351
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, inherited this wonderful place. You know, it would

1352
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: be awfully wonderful if we were able to handle it

1353
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:49,560
Speaker 1: down our kids and grandkids in the same condition that

1354
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: we got. M hmmm. So we're the country is you know,

1355
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 1: we've got a strong country, a wealthy country, and we

1356
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: can afford, um to borrow from somebody else who talked

1357
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: about this issue, we can afford to protect boundary waters. Lucas,

1358
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 1: would you add anything on this, given that you're obviously

1359
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: very active with this campaign as well. No, Absolutely, everything

1360
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: that uh, you know, Matt said is is completely on point,

1361
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: and it's very important that we take all measures that

1362
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: we can to you know, protect this world class hunting

1363
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: and fishing destination. You know, there's no reason these companies

1364
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: should be taking the measures that they are too extrafa

1365
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:41,640
Speaker 1: minerals that they're looking to do. Um. We only have

1366
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 1: a certain amount of areas here in in this nation

1367
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: that you know support UM the opportunities that we have,

1368
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: especially the public lands that we have, and you know

1369
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: that was referenced earlier, um east of the Rockies and

1370
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: north of the other Glades, this is the largest and

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01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 1: most visited wilderness in the nation. So for future generations,

1372
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: this is one of the most important areas that we

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01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: have that's been set aside and started initially by Teddy Roosevelt.

1374
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 1: So we need to make sure that we do everything

1375
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: that we can and we do our due diligence to

1376
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 1: make sure that this exists for future generations to experience,

1377
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: and also also to support the economic driver that the

1378
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 1: space is in northeastern Minnesota, because it really is, and

1379
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 1: I mean it's a trickle down effect. You know, something

1380
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: happens where there is pollution from this type of mining,

1381
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: which is inevitable, and it will affect companies from local

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01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: to large. It will affect the aura and fauna all

1383
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: the way from micro to macro. And we have a

1384
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: situation here where we need to make sure that we

1385
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: protect something that is so important to the future of

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01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: everybody here in the US. So yeah, I could not

1387
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: agree more with anything that Matt just said. But you know,

1388
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 1: everybody should say, you know, should sign a petition that yes,

1389
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: detect this area put it awful limits mining for twenty years. Um,

1390
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: it's the wrong place for full flight or compromising. So

1391
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: that sounds like number one action item, the easiest action items.

1392
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: Go sign this petition. Make your voice heard, at least

1393
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: in that way that there are a lot of sportsmen

1394
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: women who support this place. And and I would say,

1395
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: even if you haven't been to this to this area

1396
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: yet or hat or sorry, even if you haven't been

1397
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 1: or don't even plan to, it's a place that I think, UM,

1398
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: that we as a hunting and community should stand up

1399
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: for it simply because of the fact that it offers opportunities,

1400
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: that offers the potential for something and having a few

1401
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 1: places like that left at least, in my opinion, is

1402
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: something worth having and something worth UM standing up for.

1403
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: So sign the petition, UM, and Matt, what would be

1404
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: your your number two and number three actions? I think

1405
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned placing a phone call or email to your representatives.

1406
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 1: Was that number two? Yeah, I would I would say

1407
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 1: the number two is the just Paul both of your

1408
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 1: u s and whatever state you're from, and tell them

1409
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 1: that the Boundary Waters Canary Wilderness as Minnesota's Yellowstone and

1410
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 1: that they want to see it protected. Uh. That message

1411
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 1: will get through two people, you know. The third thing

1412
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: would be the more or less do the same thing

1413
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: with your with your member of the U. S. House,

1414
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: your congressman or a woman. Um M. It doesn't take

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01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 1: anybody more than ten minutes to check all three of

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01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:10,799
Speaker 1: those boxes off. And um you'd be doing a great service.

1417
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 1: Not just you know, in case you want to use

1418
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 1: it in the future, enjoy it in the future, but

1419
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: if you've got kids, or if you supports the Boy

1420
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: Scouts the Girl Scouts and the Edge of the Boundary

1421
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 1: Waters supports the only wilderness base camp for the Girl

1422
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 1: Scouts in America UH and sports one of the few

1423
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 1: national high adventure camps UH for the Boy Scouts, the

1424
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: summers UH base Camp the Boy Scouts. So you know,

1425
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: even if you don't think you're gonna go, you may know. Um,

1426
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, a kid and the Girl Scouts are Boy Scouts,

1427
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 1: and and they should have a chance to experience this

1428
01:27:55,439 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: place in its prime. Yeah, and absolutely well I'm excited

1429
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: to to get my own first hand experience um with

1430
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: this place this fall, and I think anyone listening, I

1431
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 1: gotta believe a lot of people listening have have probably

1432
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: been intrigued to maybe someday put this on their bucket

1433
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: list and experience it too. So it seems pretty clearly

1434
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: we've got our our action orders. If if we want

1435
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 1: to keep this place as special and pristine as it

1436
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 1: is right now, there's a few easy actions that we

1437
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 1: can take, and I'll certainly be doing that probably tonight,

1438
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: right after we finished this conversation, and I'd encourage anyone

1439
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: else listening to to do the same thing. Um, I

1440
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: guess real quick, if we have any quick final thoughts, Darryl,

1441
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: do you have any final things you want to leave

1442
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 1: us with before we wrap it up. I had one

1443
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: other hunting story that I wanted to tell you, just

1444
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: to get you fired up about going there. Perfect. So

1445
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,679
Speaker 1: one year I shot a big buck with my bowl,

1446
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 1: and uh, that's all Matt. I said, yeah, I'm just

1447
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: gonna bring my dog and grouse hunts and you said, no,

1448
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 1: you can hunt on my day, right, said all right, Well,

1449
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: you know how big does the deer have to be

1450
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: if I fill your tag? He said, you know, ten points?

1451
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: So ah. It was a couple of days into the hunt,

1452
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 1: and it was kind of leading out, and I saw

1453
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: on a log to sit on, and I trimmed out

1454
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 1: this white spruce tree and sitting on the log, and

1455
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: it was just a beautiful afternoon, and runted a couple

1456
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: of times, and I kept sitting there. And also I

1457
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: saw this nice buck. It was an eight pointer, so

1458
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: white rack, beautiful buck, but it was eight points and

1459
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: walked off in front of me and kind of got

1460
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 1: into a bunch of spruce trees and I couldn't see it,

1461
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, I'm gonna have some fun with it.

1462
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: So I grunted at it to see if I could

1463
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: get it to come back, and sure enough, it came back.

1464
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,759
Speaker 1: And keep in mind, I'm sitting on the ground underneath

1465
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 1: the slight spruce tree. It never saw me, and it

1466
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: came back, and then it mosy back into the spruce

1467
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 1: trees again, and so I thought, I'm gonna grant one

1468
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 1: more time to to see if I can bring it

1469
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: back home my time. So I grunted ten seconds later,

1470
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 1: one of the longest, deepest grunts I've ever heard in

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01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: my whole life. It's right behind me. I turned around,

1472
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,759
Speaker 1: and over my right shoulder was the biggest bucket everything

1473
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: in my whole life, dark face, dark rack, uh, fifteen

1474
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: yards away from me, looking right at me, and we

1475
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 1: just stared at each other. I couldn't make a shot

1476
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: because I had to turn completely around them right handed,

1477
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 1: and I would have to stand up to do that.

1478
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: And I just sat and stared at it. And finally,

1479
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 1: after about two minutes staring at it, I decided to

1480
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: go for it, and I stood up and trying to

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Speaker 1: make the shot. And I couldn't make the shot. But

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01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: Matt Built this day laughed at me because I from

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01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: that point on I carry a forty four magnet with

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01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: me in case I've ever and have to make that

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01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:06,640
Speaker 1: shot at that buck. Wow, that is pretty cool. He was.

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01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:12,679
Speaker 1: He was a beast. And I gotta believe that big, big, dark,

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01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 1: big body northern Minnesota buck puts a lot of puts

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01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: a lot of deer across the country's shame as far

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01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: as just pure mystique, I'd have to believe. And one

1490
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 1: still haunts me. That's awesome. Well, yes, you were right.

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01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: That one definitely did get me pumped. Uh. I can't

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01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: wait to get out there now, Lucas. Any any final

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01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 1: parting words for you? Yeah? Actually, I mean I have

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01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: a story to it, like tell um. One of the

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01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 1: first years that I went up, and of course, like

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01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier that my dad introduced me to the

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Speaker 1: BBC A. We were on a lake called Tuscarora, which

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01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 1: is up on the gun Flint side and out on

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01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: our normal camp, and we knew there was a snow

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01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 1: storm coming in, and we were prepared and you know,

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01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: ready for the next morning, knowing that we were going

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01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: to be catching some fish. In the middle of the nights,

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01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 1: we saw a canoe coming from across the lake and

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01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 1: we were wondering where they were going. Their original destination

1505
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: was going to an island that was about a quarter

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01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 1: a mile away from where our camp was at the moment,

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01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 1: and the father and son and they were ill prepared.

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01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: They came over. We lit a fire for them and

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01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: ried up some lake trout and had them to stay

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01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: with us, addled them over to their camp that they

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01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 1: were originally going to go to that island, that their

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01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 1: original destination was. Where I'm going with it is it's

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01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: just like we talked about, you know, you've got to

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01:32:56,320 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: just make sure you're prepared. Um. They learned a lesson,

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01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: but I've been in contact with them and they've gone

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01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 1: back up every year and it's been a really cool

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01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: experience and they're really awesome people. That's great and a

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01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 1: great reminder two of of how easily things could go

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01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 1: wrong if you if you weren't prepared. I imagine they

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01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,600
Speaker 1: would have had a much less enjoyable night if you

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01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: guys hadn't been there, right, Yeah, absolutely, And that was,

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01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the foundation of the way I

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01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 1: look at going up there on trips now too. So

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01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Well then, UM, Matt, any final words for you.

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01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: You've shared a lot with us on the policy standpoint.

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01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you if you have anything else

1527
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,800
Speaker 1: you'd like to share. None, I guess I just point

1528
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 1: out that, Um, you mentioned that the Boundary Waters is

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01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 1: a very accessible place, UM, and Lucas has mentioned that

1530
01:33:55,680 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 1: it's the most visited wilderness in the country. And you know,

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01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 1: pretty much any night, well not pretty much, any night

1532
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 1: spent in the Boundary Waters is a bad country night, UM.

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01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: But because you know, because the paddling, because you're paddling,

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01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: and because the the water carriers the weight of all

1535
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: your gear except on the portages. UM, it is a

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01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 1: very accessible place, at least during you know, the summer months. Um,

1537
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 1: it's accessible to a parent or parents who want to

1538
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: take young kids in. It's doable. You can do it.

1539
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 1: We'll have a great time. Um. I have seen young

1540
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 1: parents with newborn baby in the Boundary Waters. It's actually doable.

1541
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 1: There are things that you could do there that you

1542
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: can't do on a long backpacking trip west. And Uh.

1543
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 1: I think partly it's the beauty of the place, the ability,

1544
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: depending on your time of the year, to get out

1545
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 1: and really experience some solitude, particularly early late seasons, that

1546
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:15,560
Speaker 1: makes it such an attraction to so many people. And

1547
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 1: we've talked about hunting and fishing and some of the

1548
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: policy questions, but for a lot of people in northeastern Minnesota,

1549
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 1: the Boundary Waters is one of the reasons that they

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01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 1: live there. It's an important place, uh, you know, to

1551
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:40,520
Speaker 1: the to the culture of Minnesota and to the population

1552
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: in northeastern Minnesota. And it drives the economy in a way. UM.

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01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 1: You know, that's it includes. But it's bigger than the

1554
01:35:55,600 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing and recreation. Well, I guess guess that's it, alright, perfect, Well,

1555
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing, if if nothing else has

1556
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 1: been achieved, here tonight. At the minimum, you guys definitely

1557
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 1: did a really good job of getting me fired up.

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01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'm ready to get out there, and um,

1559
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 1: probably probably a few a few folks listening are too,

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01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 1: so I guess I guess I gotta say, though, I

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01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: hope for Darryll's sake that no one listening that none

1562
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: of you guys go out there, and uh, I don't

1563
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: want to see you out there either. So in all seriousness, though, UM,

1564
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 1: this has been just really interesting. It's neat to get

1565
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 1: insight into a very different kind of place then, um

1566
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,599
Speaker 1: where some of us spend our time hunting and uh,

1567
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, all the other things that we love to do, fishing, camping, paddling.

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01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: It seems that this is just just top of the

1569
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 1: top of the line as far as what you can

1570
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 1: what you can get back into. So I'm excited to

1571
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 1: see it. I appreciate you guys sharing with us your experiences,

1572
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,799
Speaker 1: your insights, um, helping us but better understand what's happening

1573
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 1: with this place and why it's at risk and what

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01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 1: we can do about it. So this has been very helpful,

1575
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 1: very interesting, and appreciate you guys being a part all right,

1576
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:15,680
Speaker 1: folks in that is going to do it for this episode.

1577
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 1: Um that said, I appreciate you listening. And as I

1578
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: said earlier, I think this is an opportunity for us

1579
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: as a hunting community here to step up and make

1580
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,559
Speaker 1: a difference for a place that maybe we personally won't

1581
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 1: but a lot of people go to to enjoy, whether

1582
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: it be deer hunting or fishing, or canoeing or kayaking

1583
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 1: or camping. You know, it's a special place. It's close

1584
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 1: to a lot of us deer hunters here in the Midwest,

1585
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 1: and um, we can make an impact. So here's what

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01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 1: I would just reiterate. As Matt mentioned, please if you

1587
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 1: can take a second to sign those petitions he mentioned.

1588
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 1: I have them both linked on the blog post for

1589
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: this So if you go to Wired Hunting dot com

1590
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 1: click on the blog post for this podcast episode, you're

1591
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 1: gonna see the petition there linked for Sportsman for the

1592
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 1: Boundary Waters, or you can go to Sportsman for the

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01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 1: Boundary Waters dot org and sign right there. And the

1594
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 1: back Country Hunters and Anglers Organization also has a petition

1595
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,960
Speaker 1: they're working on, so if you go to the link

1596
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,760
Speaker 1: on my website you can sign that as well. UM,

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01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be posting about this on Instagram, So if

1598
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: you want to help out there, you can go on

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01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 1: Instagram and repost that to your own page, share the

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01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 1: link to these petitions there. I'm gonna be tweeting about

1601
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: this today and over the course of the next few days,

1602
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: retweet that, share that around, and then if you have

1603
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 1: the time, make a call to your senators, make a

1604
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:38,560
Speaker 1: call to your representatives. It's a quick way that you

1605
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 1: can stand up for one specific place. And I think

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01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 1: if we if we can come together as a group

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01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: and help in this instance, maybe six months from now

1608
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: there's somewhere else it's maybe closer to you and we

1609
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 1: can all railly around that issue. And maybe a few

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01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 1: months after that there's gonna be something else and we're

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01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: gonna stand up for that too. That's that's what I

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01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 1: hope for this community that we've built here with wired

1613
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 1: Hunt is not only do we care about our own

1614
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 1: personal deer hunting behind our house or in our little

1615
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: neck of the woods. Not only do we want to

1616
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: fill the freezer, not only do we want to kill

1617
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: a big mature buck, um, but we all also want

1618
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 1: to stand up for these places where we can hunt,

1619
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 1: where we can fish, where we can go adventure. UM,

1620
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 1: we enjoy these places. So I think because of that,

1621
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,640
Speaker 1: we also have an obligation to try to speak up

1622
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 1: for them to at least that's the way I see it.

1623
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,640
Speaker 1: And UM, I'm trying to do my best to to

1624
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: show that example and maybe we can all do that together.

1625
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 1: So that's the end of my sermon here today. I

1626
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys hanging on for that and and tuning

1627
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 1: in And finally, I guess we'll just wrap it up

1628
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,640
Speaker 1: with our final thank you to our partners who do

1629
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: make all this possible. So big things to sit a

1630
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: gear yetie Coolers, Matthew's Archery, Maven Optics, the White Tail

1631
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 1: Institute of North America, Trophy Ridge and Hunt Terror Maps

1632
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:55,480
Speaker 1: and of course and again thank you all. I appreciate

1633
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 1: you being listeners. I appreciate you being supporters of these

1634
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 1: types of causes. I appreciate at you being just genuinely

1635
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:04,920
Speaker 1: good people. Um, this Wired Hunt community is is awesome.

1636
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 1: You guys are the best. I appreciate you. Until next time,

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01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 1: Stay Wired to Hunt. H