Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is Wes Hodkowits. We're coming
Speaker 1: to you here from our studios at lambeau Field and West.
Speaker 1: The final week of the Packers offseason program is upon us,
Speaker 1: and that means the mandatory three day mini camp, although
Speaker 1: as we just found out on Tuesday, it's not so
Speaker 1: mandatory for certain players. Mike McCarthy has excused sixteen veteran
Speaker 1: players with the idea that these three practices this week Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 1: Thursday are focused on getting the young players on the
Speaker 1: roster as many reps as possible as they review installations
Speaker 1: and the other things that we're going on in O
Speaker 1: t A s to try to give them the best
Speaker 1: possible foundation come training camp. Yeah, and it's one of
Speaker 1: those things, Mike, who doesn't love a nice day off.
Speaker 1: I wish Craig Shieldbauer and Duke Bober would have made
Speaker 1: mini camps, you know, not so mandatory for their veterans,
Speaker 1: but maybe had some intern step up and right might
Speaker 1: have even been better. Who knows, But be that as
Speaker 1: it may, this has been a practice now for three
Speaker 1: years that Mike McCarthy has done. They actually is it
Speaker 1: used to work out is they would take one day
Speaker 1: where they would excuse the veterans and then that would
Speaker 1: be the area of concentration for the younger players on
Speaker 1: the roster. Three years ago they made the decision to
Speaker 1: take that team building exercise, move that into O, T
Speaker 1: A S, and then use those three days to just
Speaker 1: focus solely on players usually five years or younger on
Speaker 1: the roster, so to me in my experience, and it
Speaker 1: really does. And the in the with the confines of
Speaker 1: the c b A, the amount of snaps that you
Speaker 1: have and or the lack thereof during the offseason, a
Speaker 1: chance for those young guys on the roster to get
Speaker 1: one final tune up before you get into training camp
Speaker 1: when you know everything's really flying out there. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: this makes a lot of sense when you look at
Speaker 1: it from an overall structural perspective of how things are done. Here.
Speaker 1: You have the bulk of the off season program several weeks.
Speaker 1: It's voluntary. Players don't need to be here, but the
Speaker 1: Packers often structure contracts with workout bonuses you participate in.
Speaker 1: Usually it's like eight something like that of the off
Speaker 1: season program, the veteran players get a workout bonus. This
Speaker 1: is all geared towards the fact that the Packers would
Speaker 1: rather have the players here for the longer stretch of
Speaker 1: the voluntary stuff and not worry so much about the
Speaker 1: three day mandatory mini camp. If the players are going
Speaker 1: to show up for something, they don't want them to
Speaker 1: skip all of O, t a s and then just
Speaker 1: show up for the mandatory mini camp because that's not
Speaker 1: as conducive to how they want to prepare for training camp.
Speaker 1: So there's kind of a lot of things that are
Speaker 1: built into the structure and how it's done here. Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy is very confident that this is how it works,
Speaker 1: and it gives those younger players a chance in the classroom,
Speaker 1: on the field these last three days of the offseason
Speaker 1: program to really have everything focused on them. Absolutely, And
Speaker 1: you look at how the off season is structured and
Speaker 1: there's a method to all the madness. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Packers they put a big premium on their workout bonuses
Speaker 1: making sure they get their veteran players into the off
Speaker 1: season program participating in it. And it's on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball. This year, in particular, a lot of
Speaker 1: changes to get used to, and you've got new players
Speaker 1: like Mohammed Wilkerson coming in that you want to get
Speaker 1: acclimated everybody around you. If you check all those boxes
Speaker 1: for eight weeks, it only makes sense that you want
Speaker 1: to take that last week not only concentrate on your
Speaker 1: younger players, but also make sure that there's you know,
Speaker 1: no injuries or whatever have you might pop up with
Speaker 1: your older players and you're returning veterans as well. The
Speaker 1: thing I keep going back to, and it was such
Speaker 1: an off the it had nothing to do with this,
Speaker 1: But when I was talking with Lance Kendricks last week
Speaker 1: at that team building exercise that they did on the
Speaker 1: second day of O T A S that week, him
Speaker 1: and Mason Crosby both talked about how you know that
Speaker 1: last week is a grind for a lot of vets
Speaker 1: because now you've been going at it week after week
Speaker 1: after week, four days for practices. Um, you're feeling pretty
Speaker 1: good at that point about where you are mentally in
Speaker 1: the playbook after going through the installs as much as
Speaker 1: you have. So for a lot of them, it's not
Speaker 1: to say there's no value in many camps. I'm sure
Speaker 1: there still is, But for a lot of them. I
Speaker 1: think it's already been reinforced. It's already you know what
Speaker 1: the direction is going to become training camp. This is
Speaker 1: a chance now for them to step away and give
Speaker 1: those young guys who have not really been through this
Speaker 1: process that often one more chance to take a look
Speaker 1: at everything. Yeah, and it's reinforced as well. That not
Speaker 1: to say that competition isn't always ongoing, but this particular time,
Speaker 1: it's not focused on competition for roster spots. It's focused
Speaker 1: on teaching. It's focused on getting guys up to speed
Speaker 1: to give them the best opportunity to compete for roster spots.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy reiterated on Tuesday morning that when training camp
Speaker 1: rolls around, hey, it's go time. It's the teaching phase
Speaker 1: of things, you know, really starts to you know, go
Speaker 1: into the background because now it's like, okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: rep everything and it's gonna be about competing. It's about
Speaker 1: beating not only the guy across from you offense versus defense,
Speaker 1: but then you know, supping forward in front of some
Speaker 1: of those other guys that your position to get playing time,
Speaker 1: to get a roster spot. All those things are what
Speaker 1: training camp in the preseason are about It's such a
Speaker 1: great excellent point you make there, Mike, because you've seen
Speaker 1: sort of parts of that throughout the three public O
Speaker 1: t A practices, the receiver situation, you know what, Davante
Speaker 1: Adams missing some time with the hamstring, with Randall Cobb
Speaker 1: being gone during one of those practices. It's given a
Speaker 1: lot of those young guys a chance to really step
Speaker 1: up and play. But contrastly, you look at maybe the
Speaker 1: defensive line where you had Wilkerson and Mike Daniels and
Speaker 1: in some of these positions where you had the veterans
Speaker 1: there day in and day out, where those young guys
Speaker 1: don't get as many opportunities. So it's a it's a
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a push and pull a little
Speaker 1: bit and towards the towards and towards getting those opportunities
Speaker 1: and trying to see exactly who's going to be able
Speaker 1: to make the most of them this time of the
Speaker 1: year so critical at the end of this stage. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: With that, we're gonna go to a break back with
Speaker 1: more and Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair. West Hodkin wits
Speaker 1: in that one. So okay, West. It's the final week
Speaker 1: of the offseason program before the players are going to
Speaker 1: take an extended break prior to when training camp begins
Speaker 1: at the end of July. But I want to maybe
Speaker 1: throw out a few training camp preview ideas here and
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball? First, what do you think
Speaker 1: when training camp begins July first practice? What do you
Speaker 1: think is going to be the biggest storyline for the
Speaker 1: Packers on the offensive side of the ball. It's kind
Speaker 1: of a question that's spoffed the cuff. Oh boy, yeah,
Speaker 1: too bad. We don't have a laugh track over the
Speaker 1: top of that. But no, my my thought really is
Speaker 1: going to be looking at in my opinion, you take
Speaker 1: it for what it's worth really seeing. We have all
Speaker 1: these pieces now in the backfield. Uh, Tie Montgomery, we've
Speaker 1: seen what he can do, Aaron Jones, Jamal Williams, all
Speaker 1: those guys are healthy and they've been able to stay
Speaker 1: healthy throughout the offseason program. Now, what do you how
Speaker 1: does this get sorted out? I think for my money, Michael,
Speaker 1: this is your seven. I think for me now on
Speaker 1: the Packers beat, this is the most competition I can
Speaker 1: remember at a position, not necessarily in terms of just
Speaker 1: the quality of or anything like that, but just that
Speaker 1: the stakes, in my opinion, are pretty high because the
Speaker 1: Packers do like to ride the hot hand and they
Speaker 1: want to find a guy that all three downs is
Speaker 1: gonna be able to play that position. But they have
Speaker 1: three guys in four if you want to include Davante
Speaker 1: May's five, if you want to include Aaron Ripkowski, who
Speaker 1: all brings something different to the table. None of those
Speaker 1: two guys are different. All of them have different strengths.
Speaker 1: So how does that play out? I think Time Montgomery's
Speaker 1: a guy you want to get on the field. I
Speaker 1: think he's a guy that could be a matchup nightmare
Speaker 1: for teams. I love the idea of having him and
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb and Jimmy Graham all potentially on the field
Speaker 1: at the same time and seeing how defenses react to it.
Speaker 1: But then you've seen the expulsivity, if even that it's
Speaker 1: even a word, explusiveness, explosiveness. I kind of like explosivity
Speaker 1: that I actually kind of like it, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, Aaron Jones, what he can do um somewhat
Speaker 1: in a vacuum, you know it was only about a
Speaker 1: month and a half stretch, but just how explosive he
Speaker 1: is as an athlete, Jamal Williams, how consistent he was,
Speaker 1: how much he really took that third down running back
Speaker 1: job and really ran with it near the end of
Speaker 1: the season. No pun intended, No exactly, but whatever the
Speaker 1: case may be, it's different looks, it's different skill sets,
Speaker 1: and it's all those guys competing for ultimately a chance
Speaker 1: to be on the field with Aaron Rodgers. I just
Speaker 1: think that the stakes at that position are really high,
Speaker 1: and I'm exting I'm excited to see what that brings
Speaker 1: out of each of those guys. Yeah, I agree with
Speaker 1: you there. I do think that's going to be interesting,
Speaker 1: and it is for exactly the reason you said that
Speaker 1: you don't look at any of these running backs as
Speaker 1: sort of a carbon copy of the other guy. They
Speaker 1: all they all do bring something different. I love the
Speaker 1: explosiveness or explosivity of Aaron Jones, but like you, I
Speaker 1: also like the versatility of a Time Montgomery and the
Speaker 1: matchup problems that you can create where you line them
Speaker 1: up in the backfield, but then you know, you motion
Speaker 1: them out and then he lines up in the slot
Speaker 1: and then Aaron Rodgers is looking around at Okay, how's
Speaker 1: the defense reacting? What matchup are they giving us in
Speaker 1: this situation? That situation? So I do think how that
Speaker 1: running back depth chart shakes out is going to be
Speaker 1: very interesting. The thing I will say on the offensive side,
Speaker 1: as far as when training camp starts, is just where
Speaker 1: are the Packers going to be on the right side
Speaker 1: of the offensive line. What's the update on Brian Blog?
Speaker 1: Will he be ready for training camp? Is the word
Speaker 1: going to be maybe he'll be ready sometime during training
Speaker 1: camp to have a chance to be ready for week one?
Speaker 1: Or is the entire training camp in preseason going to
Speaker 1: be about who will start at right tackle in week one?
Speaker 1: If Blog is not ready. You brought in Byron Bell
Speaker 1: as a veteran. You have Jason Spriggs and Kyle Murphy
Speaker 1: both entering year three draft pick investments, but also both
Speaker 1: coming off of injuries. We've talked a lot about Justin McCray.
Speaker 1: Kind of looks like maybe right guard is his position
Speaker 1: to lose at this point. You would expect him to
Speaker 1: hold that down, but if an injury happens, you know,
Speaker 1: Lucas Patrick, the opportunity would be there. For him or
Speaker 1: for Cole Madison, the fifth round draft pick from Washington State.
Speaker 1: So to me, it's, you know, just what is going
Speaker 1: to be determined on the right side of the offensive
Speaker 1: line when training camp rolls around. Yeah. And it's a
Speaker 1: great point by you too, Mike, because again, when you
Speaker 1: look at how that is sort of settled right there
Speaker 1: in terms of who's out there right now competing for it,
Speaker 1: I mean Jason Spriggs physically visually, uh, just coming back
Speaker 1: looking like a different player. I agree, he he looks different,
Speaker 1: and to me, it almost reminded me of thirteen to fourteen,
Speaker 1: those seasons with David Baktier in terms of the weight
Speaker 1: he put on. It appears to be good weight. We
Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to talk to him at the
Speaker 1: time in which we're taping this yet, but he's put
Speaker 1: on significant pounds and it looks like it's the kind
Speaker 1: of weight that can really help you anchor out there
Speaker 1: and really take that next step. Kyle Murphy with the
Speaker 1: foot injury, trying to come back from that now, and
Speaker 1: we've seen him practicing on a limited basis. I was
Speaker 1: talking to Corey Linsley last week for a story and
Speaker 1: he mentioned Brian Bulaga and saying that if you didn't
Speaker 1: know any better, you wouldn't even think that Blaga was injured,
Speaker 1: that he's come back from that. The way he looks
Speaker 1: and and just seeing him walk around, obviously that's different
Speaker 1: than being on the field, but just really looks like
Speaker 1: he's he is the player he's always been so. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to your point, I think justin mccraie right guard, that
Speaker 1: looks like a really solid home for him. Depending on
Speaker 1: what happens with Bulaga, who's that next guy to step
Speaker 1: up to be that number six kind of guy on
Speaker 1: the offensive line, that'll be a big question mark. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about some issues on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball as well. We'll get to those
Speaker 1: after the breakback with Moron Packers Unscripted. Right after this
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford Here, West Hodko,
Speaker 1: it's over there, okay, West training camp a handful of
Speaker 1: weeks away. Here. We just talked about some things on
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. What do you see
Speaker 1: as the biggest storyline at the start of training camp
Speaker 1: on the defensive side for Green Bay cornerback and it's
Speaker 1: it's by far the uh it's I think that's the
Speaker 1: unanimous decision in terms of the position with the most
Speaker 1: intrigue going into camp. The reason I say that is
Speaker 1: because to me, you were there for this. It reminds
Speaker 1: me a lot of the two thousand and twelve season.
Speaker 1: The Packers have made the announcement, at least going into
Speaker 1: camp that okay, Charles Whitson's moving to safety. There were
Speaker 1: a ton of jobs open in terms of the secondary,
Speaker 1: the cornerback position. You knew you had Tremon Williams, but
Speaker 1: even then he was coming back from a nerve injury
Speaker 1: in his shoulder. Was it gonna be Sam Shields? Was
Speaker 1: it gonna be Devon house Casey Heyward had just gotten drafted.
Speaker 1: This situation reminds me a lot of that. I think
Speaker 1: at this point in time, there is one certainty as
Speaker 1: far as that Week one lineup, if everyone stays healthy,
Speaker 1: and that's how Clinton Dicks will be starting at safety.
Speaker 1: The rest of it, who's starting where, What positions are
Speaker 1: they going to be looking at. It's all up in
Speaker 1: the air right now. Kevin King's coming back from the
Speaker 1: shoulder injury, feeling good, looking good. Everybody knows what he's
Speaker 1: capable of if he can get on the line and
Speaker 1: really power against people. I think Alexander's had a really
Speaker 1: nice offseason program. I think Josh Jackson has made some
Speaker 1: plays as well. Devon House is back, Tremon Williams is back.
Speaker 1: There's all these different pieces for Joe Witt, the new
Speaker 1: you know, defensive passing game coordinator, to utilize. How do
Speaker 1: you utilize them? Who starts now opposite of Haha, Clinton
Speaker 1: Dick's at safety, Josh Jones is in their Kenstrol Bryce
Speaker 1: is in there. They have a lot of experience coming back,
Speaker 1: and they have a lot of young players that have
Speaker 1: been added this offseason through the draft. I'm really I'm
Speaker 1: eager to see who emerges, who grabs those spots because
Speaker 1: the opportunities there. Yeah, I agree with you, and I
Speaker 1: do think corner is a very intriguing spot because in
Speaker 1: addition to everybody that you mentioned, and now we know
Speaker 1: there's not room for everybody, So the competition is going
Speaker 1: to be there for roster spots. But guys like Lenzy
Speaker 1: Pipkins and Josh Hawkins, they've played some, they're not they're
Speaker 1: not complete novices at the NFL level. They've been on
Speaker 1: the active roster they've played in some games, so where
Speaker 1: are they in their stages of development. Then you have
Speaker 1: a guy like Herb Waters, who has been converted from
Speaker 1: wide receiver to cornerback. We've heard a lot of positive
Speaker 1: things about him, a lot of things that they like,
Speaker 1: but the injury from last year, you know, really set
Speaker 1: back his opportunity to try to, you know, grab a
Speaker 1: hold of something and and make the make the progress
Speaker 1: at a new position. So this is going to be
Speaker 1: that chance for him. We're gonna be watching a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys every every single practice. Just who's out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm really looking forward to those, especially when
Speaker 1: they put the pads on those one on one wide
Speaker 1: receiver cornerback you know where there's there's really no pass rush,
Speaker 1: there's nobody else out there, and and it's it's those
Speaker 1: corners jammed, jamming guys at the line and go on
Speaker 1: one on one with a wide receiver and trying to
Speaker 1: break up the play. Yeah, Quentin Rollins is back to
Speaker 1: coming off the you know, the Achilles injury. Absolutely. Dmitri
Speaker 1: Goodson is still a part of this equation. What he
Speaker 1: offers not only on defense, but also the fact that
Speaker 1: when he's been healthy, he's a stalwart on special teams,
Speaker 1: and he's really probably their top gunner right now when
Speaker 1: he's healthy. And those are guys on defense who have
Speaker 1: played even more than those other young guys I mentioned
Speaker 1: in terms of having experienced. Rollins and Goodson are another
Speaker 1: step above just in terms of the number of games
Speaker 1: they've played at this level. And I think I mentioned
Speaker 1: this in a previous episodes, but there's fourteen defensive backs
Speaker 1: on this roster that have played in an NFL regular
Speaker 1: season game now and that's on again, that's not counting
Speaker 1: the two rookies that came in through the draft. So
Speaker 1: I think that competition is hot. I think it's heavy,
Speaker 1: and I think it's probably gonna give the Packers their
Speaker 1: best chance, their best look at and having the secondary
Speaker 1: that they ultimately desire. Yeah, the other thing I was
Speaker 1: going to say that will be worth watching in training camp,
Speaker 1: but I'm almost going to qualify it a little bit
Speaker 1: because I'm almost wondering how much we're really going to
Speaker 1: find out during training camp in the preseason. And what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about is with the defensive front, just where
Speaker 1: are these guys gonna line up and who's going to
Speaker 1: be playing what role and what packages? I mean, are
Speaker 1: there going to be times when Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels,
Speaker 1: and Mohammed Wilkerson are all on the field together. Now,
Speaker 1: what I say qualifies that is how much does Mike
Speaker 1: Petton and how much do Mike Petton and Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: want to give away during the preseason. How much are
Speaker 1: they going to keep under wraps in terms of these
Speaker 1: different packages. There are portions of training camp, there are
Speaker 1: practices that are not open to the public, not open
Speaker 1: to the media. You know, they're working on things for
Speaker 1: specific opponents. Then, so while I'm very curious as to
Speaker 1: how that's going to shake out, I honestly don't know
Speaker 1: how much we're going to find out in the month
Speaker 1: of August. It may we may have to wait all
Speaker 1: the way up until Week one against the Chicago Bears
Speaker 1: to find out just how Petton is going to use
Speaker 1: the different chess pieces so to speak. In my opinion
Speaker 1: my experience all the years I've covered this team, now,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's been more intrigue in terms of
Speaker 1: what a defense is going to look like, probably going
Speaker 1: back to two thousand nine when Don Capers came in,
Speaker 1: But just we have an idea of where the emphasis
Speaker 1: is gonna lie how they've built that defensive line, but
Speaker 1: you really can't be too sure. Yeah, I agree with
Speaker 1: you with that. We're gonna go to another break back
Speaker 1: with more on Packers on screw did right after this
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Packers unscripted Mike Spofford alongside West hodkowits
Speaker 1: West before we go. A topic that I think it's
Speaker 1: worth touching on here because it's a question you and
Speaker 1: I have been getting fairly frequently in our insider inbox
Speaker 1: from the fans, and that's in reference to the new
Speaker 1: kickoff rules in the NFL. How they're eliminating the high
Speaker 1: speed collisions because players are going to be running more
Speaker 1: side by side as far as offense versus defense, so
Speaker 1: to speak, running side by side down the field, um
Speaker 1: and the kicking team players not getting the running start
Speaker 1: that they used to get. They can only be one
Speaker 1: yard off the ball, all of those things. Fans wondering, Okay,
Speaker 1: so if the kickoff is going to be such a
Speaker 1: different play, now, will that impact final roster decisions in
Speaker 1: terms of what coaches, personnel people think are the players
Speaker 1: that can help them the most. On special teams. What's
Speaker 1: your take here, Well, first off, I think my initial
Speaker 1: reaction when I saw this, and again we have to
Speaker 1: see it play out in real time, we'll just speculating
Speaker 1: at this point. I think the value the kick returner
Speaker 1: just went back up and then had kind of been
Speaker 1: eliminated for a couple of years where I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: if you have a guy that can return kickoffs and punts,
Speaker 1: you're okay. But then the Quardrel Patterson's of the world
Speaker 1: that are mainly kickoff you know, artists, what what is
Speaker 1: their value now if they're only returning them. So I
Speaker 1: think with these changes, I can definitely see got you know,
Speaker 1: kickers putting the ball in play more. Um As far
Speaker 1: as the value of coverage players and all that, I
Speaker 1: don't really know how much that's going to change. Maybe
Speaker 1: you might see teams now not looking for as many
Speaker 1: stalwarts and guys that are specialists when it comes to
Speaker 1: their play on special teams. Maybe you want to try
Speaker 1: to get more of those guys with upside that you
Speaker 1: think can help you on offense or defense, and then
Speaker 1: you know kind of hope that they get you through
Speaker 1: what you need to get through on kickoffs. And whatnot. Um,
Speaker 1: So again, I'm very interested in how this plays out.
Speaker 1: It I remember talking whatever it was now four years
Speaker 1: ago with Mason Crosby on a golf outing about what
Speaker 1: it was like when they're pushing back the field goals
Speaker 1: the extra points and and he had such a great
Speaker 1: comment on it, and that you can think about it,
Speaker 1: you can process it and what it's gonna be like,
Speaker 1: but until you're actually out there, you don't know how
Speaker 1: much it's gonna change anything, if at all. I like
Speaker 1: where the heart is at with the league trying to
Speaker 1: make the game safer for players. I don't argue whatsoever
Speaker 1: that it is an extremely dangerous play when you have
Speaker 1: players moving that fast, you know, those forces going against
Speaker 1: each other. So, uh, the question I have is exactly, ultimately,
Speaker 1: what is going to be the end of this Are
Speaker 1: we're gonna see more kickoff returns and if so, what
Speaker 1: does that mean for the contact of those plays? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again, as you said, we have to see how
Speaker 1: this plays out. The preseason has going to tell us
Speaker 1: some things. I think there's there's a possibility that with
Speaker 1: more of the coverage, players forced to start a kickoff
Speaker 1: play within fifteen yards of the line of scrimmage. And
Speaker 1: then with those players on the kicking team not getting
Speaker 1: the running start, if that puts a bigger premium on
Speaker 1: just flat out speed. You know, the kicking team they
Speaker 1: want a guy who maybe is going to beat the
Speaker 1: other just simply beat the other guy down the field
Speaker 1: with pure speed. And and conversely, the coverage team doesn't
Speaker 1: want guys, you know, maybe the heavier linebackers are tight
Speaker 1: end types who might get beat by pure speed down
Speaker 1: the field. If that makes everybody sort of smaller and
Speaker 1: faster on both kickoff and kickoff coverage, maybe that does
Speaker 1: affect the last one or two roster spots. You know
Speaker 1: that you decide on that fifty three man roster. But
Speaker 1: because the punt isn't necessarily changing, and that is a play,
Speaker 1: a special teams play that's run just as much as
Speaker 1: a kickoff, and then you have field goals and extra
Speaker 1: points are not changing in that respect. I don't think
Speaker 1: it goes beyond maybe one or two roster spots. I
Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna see some wholesale change in terms
Speaker 1: of what those final four or five roster spots look like.
Speaker 1: Just because of the kickoffs, and you see you have
Speaker 1: your personnel, your personnel protectors, you got your you know
Speaker 1: your gunners, your jammers, all the different facets of the
Speaker 1: punt play. A lot of those do carry over to
Speaker 1: the kickoffs as well. You don't see a guy that's
Speaker 1: just a specialist in one area and it doesn't translate.
Speaker 1: So I think in that way you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: see personnel not really be affected. But as you said,
Speaker 1: it really does come down to number fifty two and
Speaker 1: fifty three on that active roster, what teams are going
Speaker 1: to value and how it's impacted. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we're even going to see a trend this year at
Speaker 1: the Packers, just based on how they can be very
Speaker 1: fluid with their roster. But I think as the years
Speaker 1: go on, I'll probably tell you the ultimate truth. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: With that, we're going to sign off on this edition
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