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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is Wes Hodkowits. We're coming

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Speaker 1: to you here from our studios at lambeau Field and West.

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Speaker 1: The final week of the Packers offseason program is upon us,

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Speaker 1: and that means the mandatory three day mini camp, although

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Speaker 1: as we just found out on Tuesday, it's not so

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Speaker 1: mandatory for certain players. Mike McCarthy has excused sixteen veteran

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Speaker 1: players with the idea that these three practices this week Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Thursday are focused on getting the young players on the

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Speaker 1: roster as many reps as possible as they review installations

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Speaker 1: and the other things that we're going on in O

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Speaker 1: t A s to try to give them the best

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Speaker 1: possible foundation come training camp. Yeah, and it's one of

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Speaker 1: those things, Mike, who doesn't love a nice day off.

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Speaker 1: I wish Craig Shieldbauer and Duke Bober would have made

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Speaker 1: mini camps, you know, not so mandatory for their veterans,

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Speaker 1: but maybe had some intern step up and right might

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Speaker 1: have even been better. Who knows, But be that as

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Speaker 1: it may, this has been a practice now for three

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Speaker 1: years that Mike McCarthy has done. They actually is it

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Speaker 1: used to work out is they would take one day

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Speaker 1: where they would excuse the veterans and then that would

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Speaker 1: be the area of concentration for the younger players on

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Speaker 1: the roster. Three years ago they made the decision to

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Speaker 1: take that team building exercise, move that into O, T

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Speaker 1: focus solely on players usually five years or younger on

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Speaker 1: the roster, so to me in my experience, and it

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Speaker 1: have and or the lack thereof during the offseason, a

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Speaker 1: chance for those young guys on the roster to get

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Speaker 1: one final tune up before you get into training camp

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Speaker 1: when you know everything's really flying out there. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: this makes a lot of sense when you look at

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Speaker 1: it from an overall structural perspective of how things are done. Here.

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Speaker 1: You have the bulk of the off season program several weeks.

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Speaker 1: It's voluntary. Players don't need to be here, but the

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Speaker 1: Packers often structure contracts with workout bonuses you participate in.

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Speaker 1: Usually it's like eight something like that of the off

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Speaker 1: season program, the veteran players get a workout bonus. This

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Speaker 1: is all geared towards the fact that the Packers would

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Speaker 1: rather have the players here for the longer stretch of

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Speaker 1: the voluntary stuff and not worry so much about the

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Speaker 1: three day mandatory mini camp. If the players are going

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Speaker 1: as conducive to how they want to prepare for training camp.

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Speaker 1: So there's kind of a lot of things that are

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Speaker 1: built into the structure and how it's done here. Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy is very confident that this is how it works,

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Speaker 1: and it gives those younger players a chance in the classroom,

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Speaker 1: on the field these last three days of the offseason

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Speaker 1: program to really have everything focused on them. Absolutely, And

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Speaker 1: you look at how the off season is structured and

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Speaker 1: Packers they put a big premium on their workout bonuses

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Speaker 1: making sure they get their veteran players into the off

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Speaker 1: acclimated everybody around you. If you check all those boxes

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Speaker 1: for eight weeks, it only makes sense that you want

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Speaker 1: to take that last week not only concentrate on your

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Speaker 1: an off the it had nothing to do with this,

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Speaker 1: But when I was talking with Lance Kendricks last week

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Speaker 1: at that team building exercise that they did on the

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Speaker 1: second day of O T A S that week, him

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Speaker 1: and Mason Crosby both talked about how you know that

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Speaker 1: last week is a grind for a lot of vets

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Speaker 1: because now you've been going at it week after week

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Speaker 1: think it's already been reinforced. It's already you know what

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Speaker 1: at everything. Yeah, and it's reinforced as well. That not

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Speaker 1: to say that competition isn't always ongoing, but this particular time,

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Speaker 1: it's not focused on competition for roster spots. It's focused

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy reiterated on Tuesday morning that when training camp

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Speaker 1: training camp in the preseason are about It's such a

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Speaker 1: great excellent point you make there, Mike, because you've seen

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Speaker 1: With that, we're gonna go to a break back with

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Speaker 1: more and Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair. West Hodkin wits

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Speaker 1: in that one. So okay, West. It's the final week

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Speaker 1: of the offseason program before the players are going to

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Speaker 1: take an extended break prior to when training camp begins

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Speaker 1: think is going to be the biggest storyline for the

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Speaker 1: too bad. We don't have a laugh track over the

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Speaker 1: healthy throughout the offseason program. Now, what do you how

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Speaker 1: does this get sorted out? I think for my money, Michael,

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Speaker 1: remember at a position, not necessarily in terms of just

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Speaker 1: the stakes, in my opinion, are pretty high because the

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Speaker 1: Packers do like to ride the hot hand and they

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Speaker 1: want to find a guy that all three downs is

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Speaker 1: all brings something different to the table. None of those

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Speaker 1: So how does that play out? I think Time Montgomery's

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Speaker 1: But then you've seen the expulsivity, if even that it's

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Speaker 1: even a word, explusiveness, explosiveness. I kind of like explosivity

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Speaker 1: with you, Aaron Jones, what he can do um somewhat

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Speaker 1: is as an athlete, Jamal Williams, how consistent he was,

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Speaker 1: how much he really took that third down running back

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Speaker 1: and I'm exting I'm excited to see what that brings

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Speaker 1: the defense reacting? What matchup are they giving us in

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Speaker 1: Will he be ready for training camp? Is the word

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Speaker 1: Or is the entire training camp in preseason going to

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Speaker 1: If Blog is not ready. You brought in Byron Bell

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Speaker 1: both entering year three draft pick investments, but also both

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Speaker 1: coming off of injuries. We've talked a lot about Justin McCray.

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Speaker 1: So to me, it's, you know, just what is going

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Speaker 1: great point by you too, Mike, because again, when you

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Speaker 1: Just because of the kickoffs, and you see you have

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Speaker 1: So I think in that way you're gonna you're gonna

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Speaker 1: see personnel not really be affected. But as you said,

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Speaker 1: it really does come down to number fifty two and

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Speaker 1: fifty three on that active roster, what teams are going

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Speaker 1: the Packers, just based on how they can be very

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Speaker 1: go on, I'll probably tell you the ultimate truth. Yeah. Absolutely.

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