1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: the bonus with Doug gottlie What I'm. 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: Doug Gottlieb Show. In the bonus Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: app Do Do Do Do Do Pet? So you know, 5 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: I know we're supposed to talk about sports, and this 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: is sort of about sports. But I think it's time 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: to get my pound a flash a little bit here, 8 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: just because there are there's probably about five things I've 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: had to do in my broadcasting career that I actually 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: kicked myself for, and uh, this is one of them. 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: So yesterday, actually last night, I was watching the NBA Finals. 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: It's actually kind of cool. Like so, my my son's 13 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: Christmas present was he loves he loves Underground Wrap, especially 14 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: so last year we went to one day at Summer Smaster, 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: which is in Chicago at Sea Geek Stadium, and it's 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: a three day music festival. I do say music with 17 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: the quotations because it's not a lot of there's no 18 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: instruments being played. Nonetheless, the dude's happy, right, your son 19 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,919 Speaker 2: is happy, you're hanging and you're trying to be world's 20 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 2: best at so and again I don't have to humble brag. 21 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: I'm going to there's a VIP area, and then part 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: of the VIP area is like there's the open air stage. 23 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: I think there's like twenty thousand like kids, mosh bits whatever. 24 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: I want no part of that. And then there's like 25 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: a you saw where Caleb Williams was. He's in like 26 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: the diamond section and I'm just the regular vipm Behind that, 27 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: there's like some food trucks kind of like a chill 28 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: out area, and there's probably twenty of us at our 29 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: parents that are just you know, like, hey, stuff is 30 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: going on at those concerts. You know, you want to 31 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: be there and help your kid if they need it, 32 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: need you, right, and it's not gonna drop them off 33 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: and leave and then go do a bunch of things. 34 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: So I'm back there and I'm and there's a couple 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: of Don Tolliver's first night. It's pretty cool. Came in 36 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: on parachutes, right, and uh, young thug who's I think 37 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: just released from jail was last night. It's actually really 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: really good anyway, So I'm watching the game and meanwhile 39 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: I see Tyre's Haliburton go down. Now granted it didn't happen, 40 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: it didn't happen at game time, but I think it 41 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 2: was seven nineteen, so the game was just about to start, 42 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: and Skip Bayless tweeted the Pacers brilliantly took the big 43 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: game pressure off Halliburton, who routinely no shows, by planting 44 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: the injury excuse that the media swallowed a whole right, 45 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: So it's on Twitter, and then all of a sudden, 46 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: Tyrese Haliburton goes down with a torn achilles tendon and 47 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: i'll shortly thereafter, Skip starts trying to tweet his way 48 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: out of it. But it's embarrassing, right, he basically said, 49 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: And he's not the only one, but he basically said 50 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: that he wasn't hurt, and because he wasn't hurt, that's 51 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: why he wasn't playing. He just wasn't playing well and 52 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: it was an injury excuse. So Jay STUW, you worked 53 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: in the same building, so you know this to be true. 54 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: Skip Bayless ran his own shop, He was everything for 55 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: his for his show Undisputed, And when I got to 56 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: take the job, and I forever I'm forever upset with 57 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: myself over this. So I was under contract with CBS 58 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: and I had I don't know six months left, and 59 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: I wanted to get back out to California and I 60 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: wanted to do Fox Television. At the time, a good 61 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: friend of mine, Jamie Horowitz, was running was running the 62 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: day to day the daily shows, and Jamie is responsible 63 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: for being Colin and Skip to Fox Sports one right. 64 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 2: But in order to work at Fox Sports one at 65 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: the time, I had to be kind of U. I 66 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 2: had to make nice and kiss the ring with Skip 67 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: Bayless and what does that look like? I had to 68 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 2: send him a couple of texts, set up a phone 69 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: call and I didn't grovel, but I didn't feel good 70 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: about it, and that goes back to Skip didn't like me, 71 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: and he didn't like me because I was on back 72 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: when it was first and ten, I would be on 73 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 2: opposite him and he said ridiculous shit and I would 74 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: call him on ridiculous shit, not to the point where 75 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: what Jalen Rose did or what Ryan Rossillo did. But 76 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: Ryan and Jalen didn't want to work at Fox Sports 77 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: at the time, so they weren't going to grovel and 78 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 2: kiss the ring. I kissed the ring and I fucking 79 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: hate myself for it. I don't know Skip Bayless, the 80 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: person I don't. But I also don't understand how anybody 81 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: who wants to be like the king of debate can't 82 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: handle when somebody comes at them and the debate and 83 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: nothing I ever said, Like I thought Jalen was way 84 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: out of line when he called him water pistol, you know, 85 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: water pistol pete and brought up his his high school stats. 86 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: Let's get clearly lied about whatever. And you know, some 87 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 2: of these guys are so insecure they want to lie 88 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: about who they were and lie about what they did. 89 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: And it's not any different than ninety five percent of 90 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: the people. How many guys will tell you that, you know, 91 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: I drank fifty beers like you had five. I was 92 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: sitting next to you the whole night. Well, I slip 93 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 2: with one hundred women, Like, dude, you couldn't get laid with, 94 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 2: you know, in a whorehouse with one hundred million dollars, 95 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: Like what are you even talking about? Hey, so, you know, 96 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: blowing up your high school stats and although you did 97 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: it on national TV, it's not a great look. And 98 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: the Internet's going to always google whatever. Who cares. I 99 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: don't but the level of whether it's control but he's 100 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: a control freak or insecurity. I'm not sure, but God, 101 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: I hated that. God I hated that. Did you know 102 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: any of that, jayse dou Yeah. 103 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: I mean they've hid him much more money than anyone 104 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: they'd ever paid to do talk content, and as a 105 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: part of that compensation came full autonomy over who would 106 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: work with him and produce him, and who he'd be 107 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 3: around to be frank and who wouldn't he wouldn't be around. 108 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I never felt good about it ever, 109 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 2: and I wanted to get it off my chest. And 110 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: it was a real thing. There was a story about it, 111 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: and you didn't have to say, oh, Skip be the greatest, 112 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 2: but you just had to make him feel like, yeah, fine, 113 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 2: he could be in the building. And one time I 114 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: was on Undisputed, he wasn't on. I was never on since. 115 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: And today we're getting my pound of flesh for people 116 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: who I think, I think are shitty to other people. 117 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: So when I'm watching Halliburton laying there and this is 118 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: a thing that I never do. I don't think I've 119 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: ever said somebody is faking an injury. I think you 120 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: fake an injury. I think you're asking the gods of 121 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: karma to make you really hurt, make you really hurt. 122 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 2: And you know, obviously part of the water pistol pete 123 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: thing that Jaylen Rose is like, he never played, So 124 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: no one who This is a real thing, right, no 125 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: one who? And it's I think NBA players think the 126 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: same thing of Stephen A. Smith. If you never played 127 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: a sport at a high level, they actually don't respect you. 128 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: They don't. The only guy I think they do respect 129 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: who never did anything sports wise is probably a guy 130 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: like Costas and maybe Dan, although you know Dan played 131 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: low college basketball. He he did end up, you know, 132 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: walking on whatever. I think he played at Easter before 133 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: Eastern Kentucky before he went back to Dayton. But you 134 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: know Dan played. But more than anything, you grew up 135 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: Keith and Dan, and he's never thrown out. Dan is 136 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,559 Speaker 2: not an analyst, right, Nor does he have these hot 137 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: takes and does come at people or has he questioned 138 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: people the validity of people's injuries, Like if you didn't 139 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: play a sport at a high level, they don't fucking 140 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,119 Speaker 2: respect what you say about their sport. They just don't. 141 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: So yeah, I was kind of happy that he got 142 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: fucking run over like a truck on Twitter last night. 143 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: He short to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 144 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 4: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 145 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 4: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 146 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: Let's Get the Fox Says, and now every day this 147 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: time when the Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Podcast, 148 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 2: we play for you a portion of a previous show 149 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick talking 150 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: about with Gilbert A. Renas they're talking about Tyre's Haliburton's injury. 151 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 5: I mentioned Halliburton. Ten years from now will remember him, 152 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 5: but it's because of the postseason run Game one and 153 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 5: then blowing out his achilles. So I think if we 154 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 5: just say his name, I think we'll remember that ten 155 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 5: years from now. 156 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 6: I think he'll be more remembered for the Eastern Conference 157 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 6: Finals what he did to the New York Knicks, because 158 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 6: that was a big series. That was like one of 159 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 6: those series because it was New York and all the 160 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 6: exposure on it and he showed up. I think he 161 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 6: would be more remembered for that series than really what 162 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 6: happened in the finals. 163 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 5: You talked to a couple of guys who have blown 164 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 5: out their achilles, and they had there was a commonality 165 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 5: to that of you have a calf injury, so you 166 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,599 Speaker 5: talk to Tatum and Dame Lillard and then you see Halliburton. 167 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 5: We shouldn't be surprised that this happened. 168 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 6: No, no, we should not. You know, I think we 169 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 6: all thought about it. I think Kendrick Perkins mentioned that 170 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 6: he shouldn't play in Game six because of what has 171 00:09:53,760 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 6: happened in the past. I don't remember ever when strains 172 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 6: turned into Achille tears from the past. 173 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: Gill's right, and uh again at the time of this recording, 174 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: just so we're just just so we're being you know, 175 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: we want to be honest with you guys. On the 176 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: radio show, we we we booked Riley with doctor Riley Williams. 177 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: He's the head team surgeon for the Brooklyn Nets. I 178 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: believe he's going to do Tyre's Haliburton's surgery tonight. Okay, 179 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 2: so we're recording this before the radio show. Surgeon's tight, 180 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: he's supposed to join us. He gets back to New 181 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: York and then pop into his office hoping the phone 182 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: with us and go to surgery. Pretty cool thing. Again, 183 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if it comes through. I'm again hopeful, 184 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: but he's got a busy day, and I think we're 185 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 2: not on the important scale of operating on Tyre's Haliburton. 186 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: But I brought him on one to talk about Achilles 187 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: tendon surgeries and and advances that have been made Aaron 188 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: Rodgers surgery and how quickly he recovered and whatever, but 189 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: also on how much this has happened recently. And I 190 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: heard Colin talk about it earlier today and you know, 191 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: got what he got A shortened the playoffs? Like okay, 192 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: but Kirk Cousins, who else? Aaron Rodgers? What was the 193 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: running back of the Rams? Was it kyra and Williams? 194 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: Was that? Who it was? That was cam Akers? 195 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 5: Right? 196 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? Cut out the Kyraen Wims cam Akers towards Achilles 197 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: tenant and he was like in his third year, second 198 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: year in the NFL. So it's not an age thing. 199 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: I don't believe it's a basketball thing. Yes, I did 200 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: talk to I spoke with two foot and ankle physicians 201 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 2: earlier today and they did say that calf strains are 202 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: a sign of weakness, and obviously that means it puts 203 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: more stress on the Achilles tendon. And that's real thing. 204 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: Whether Gilbert knows it or not whatever. Again, that's what's happened. 205 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: But I do think there has to be something in 206 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: how we're building bodies as athletes. And I don't think 207 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: it's about the you know, you know, skipping leg day 208 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: because Tyrese Halburtn is not big up top, right, has 209 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: to be in how we build bodies or whatever. But 210 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: it's definitely a thing. Has nothing to do with high 211 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: tops and low tops. It has nothing to do with Nikes. 212 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: He was wearing Pumas and Damian Lillard was wearing Adidas. Stop. 213 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 2: That doesn't have to do with the court because it's 214 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: happening on a football field as well. So I don't 215 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: know what it's about, but I'm like you could. I'm 216 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: literally there'd be one guy every couple of years who 217 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: popped his achilles, And now we had three stars in 218 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 2: the playoffs tear of their achilles. Two star quarterbacks in 219 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 2: the last two years pop their achilles. Other players act 220 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: there's a kid I'm trying to think which one who's 221 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: getting ready for the NBA draft who popped his achilles. 222 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: It's terrible. It has to be in how we're building bodies. 223 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: Has to be. But Gilbert is right, I don't remember 224 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: it happening this often. I don't remember people having to 225 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: be this fearful of Terry Achilles ten and when when 226 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: I played, and I've been, you know, playing sports my 227 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: whole life. Could it be about only playing one sport? 228 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: It could be, But again I brought up football players, 229 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: and Aaron Rodgers was a basketball player, Kirk Cousins, others, 230 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: they played other sports as well. Here's Dan Byer. He 231 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: explained to Mike Harmon, why the thunder of the worst 232 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 2: NBA champion in his lifetime? 233 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 7: For what makes you so mad about Game six with 234 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 7: Oklahoma City or what makes you so mad about the Pacers? 235 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 7: And how we look at the NBA and how we 236 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 7: look at the regular season. There's just no way that 237 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 7: these teams with their faults, are better than any of 238 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 7: the champions that we've seen. And you take even the 239 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,599 Speaker 7: past couple of years where we've had these one off championships, 240 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 7: if you will, I feel like Golden State was still 241 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 7: an extension kind of of their of their wins. 242 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: Last yet that old dynastic approach. 243 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 7: You look back at the Raptors team that kind of 244 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 7: came out of I don't want to say came out 245 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 7: of nowhere, because they were a good team that year, 246 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 7: but I don't think anybody legitimately thought that they were 247 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 7: an NBA title winning team. And I just point to 248 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 7: the fact of Pascal Siakam was probably the second best 249 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 7: player on that team, or maybe third, depending on how 250 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 7: you want to look at a Kuhi was number one. 251 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 7: But I'll even say just you know, maybe the robin 252 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 7: to Kawhi at that point, and you look at all 253 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 7: the pieces that were on him, with Fred van Vliet 254 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 7: and Kyle Laurie and Danny Green and others, that team 255 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 7: is significantly better than this Oklahoma City team. 256 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I thought the one that was the 257 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: best was you know, the Thunder team that lost in 258 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, you know, Kevin Durant and James Harden, 259 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: or even the one that was down those up three 260 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: games to one to the Golden State Warriors. Right. Yeah, again, 261 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: I'm not actually gonna disagree. And here's what will happen. 262 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: I have lots of friends in Oklahoma City, obviously, and 263 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: in the Oaklahoma City Thunder organization, some really really good friends, 264 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: really good friends. But I do think we're it's a 265 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: little bit of an injustice what we're doing to like 266 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: Shay Gildess Alexander, he was the MVP of the league. 267 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: They did have the best record in the regular season, 268 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: had one of the best records last year in the NBA. 269 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,239 Speaker 2: They have the second best record last year in the NBA. 270 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: So it's not that crazy, right, It's just not it's 271 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: that we this is rare. Normally a team like this 272 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: would have like last year. You know, they lost to 273 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: the Dallas Mavericks. This year, you get back and maybe 274 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: you get to the finals and against the powerhouse, or 275 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: maybe you lose in the conference finals, or you lose 276 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: to to the Denver Nuggets. But again you go back 277 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: and play it out. This has happened before in the NBA. 278 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: Matter of fact, it has more often you think that 279 00:15:54,360 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: teams have injuries it affects the playoffs. Thomas likes to 280 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: like to say how much he beat the Boston Celtics 281 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: before they won their back to back titles. Larry Bird 282 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: didn't play one year because Larry Bird had a bad back, right, 283 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: And there's another year we had the bone spurs removed 284 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: from his heels. But I think it was the back 285 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: that kept him out one year. You know, Magic Johnson, 286 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: Magic Johnson got hurt. That was that was That was 287 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: one of the years that the Celtics I think won. 288 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: He pulled his hamstring like you go back. But we've 289 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: also we've had some of these kind of random NBA 290 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: champions over the last six or seven years. You know, 291 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: the Toronto Raptors, they were a good team. Kawi Leonard 292 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: was a great player, but I mean, Golden State was 293 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: far superior and the West was far superior. Part of 294 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: it is the imbalance in West to East, and then 295 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: the West was just injured. And the new salary cap 296 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: structure has made it so that, you know, the most 297 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: you can really have is two star players, and most 298 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: of the guys to become star players are a little 299 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: bit up there in age, and so they get hurt. 300 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna I don't know if I totally agree, 301 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: because the last couple of years it's been a little suspect. 302 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: I don't think the Bucks were great. And if you 303 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: could say, well, Yannis is an all time great player. Okay, 304 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: he's basically a bigger version of Shay in that he 305 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: was the MVP that year, Shae's the MVP this year, 306 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: and they had an interesting team kind of around them. 307 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: He may be more right than he is wrong, and 308 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: if people in Oklahoma don't like it, who cares. They're 309 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: still champions. But it may say something about where we're 310 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: headed with the NBA. That's what the Fox said say. 311 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 4: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 312 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 4: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 313 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 4: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 314 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 2: Let's find out who are what is annoying? Jason Stewart. 315 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying. 316 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 6: Doug. 317 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 3: Something real annoying happened this weekend. I want to say 318 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 3: it was Saturday because it was in the Fever and 319 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 3: wasn't fever aces game. Sure, Rebecca Lobos Sunday, she's on 320 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 3: Team A team one. Oh, yesterday, Okay, Rebecca Lobo was 321 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 3: on the call, and this unfortunate thing happened. 322 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 8: So they disagree with you, they do, and I disagree 323 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 8: with them, and that's fine. 324 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 2: That's what makes America. 325 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 4: Great, right, Pat Moore, I should rephrase. 326 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: That, yes, yeah, I did. The opinion are perfectly yes. 327 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 2: That's a better way to say. Sorry. 328 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 3: Well, okay, I will say this. I'm guessing Patrick, our editor, 329 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 3: I'm going to shout out to Patrick, and then I'm 330 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: just going to give him some constructive criticism. There's twenty 331 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 3: three seconds of silence after says that's what makes America great. 332 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: I wanted to feel that twenty three seconds Patrick thought 333 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 3: it was more efficient to trim it up and maybe 334 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: go right to the other broadcast sound. That's fine. His 335 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: editorial choice the wrong choice, and we'll be sure to 336 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: pass on that note for any listener that is wondering 337 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 3: what's going on around here. Twenty three uncomfortable seconds after 338 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: saying that's what makes America great, and then she apologizes, Doug. 339 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I they can't help themselves, can they? Right? 340 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: Can't help themselves. It is kind of the brilliance to 341 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 2: the simplicity of the message from our president. But it's 342 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: just like they can't help themselves. Like, just keep going 343 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 2: if you happen to if you don't agree with the 344 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: president or you don't like the MAGA movement like that, 345 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: that's fine. But again, by stopping your calling attention to it, 346 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 2: and then you're making without making a political statement, you're 347 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: making a political statement. So I yeah, it's it's what 348 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: day was that? By the way, was that Sunday? Yesterday, right, Yeah, 349 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: so that's after our country launched launch bombs drop bombs 350 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: on nuclear facilities in Iran. Yeah, just again, not the time, 351 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 2: not the time, and maybe maybe that's maybe that's kind 352 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: of what they were trying to get to. And I 353 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: thought Pam Wood tried to clean it up there. Obviously 354 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 2: we know what Rebecca Lobo meant by it, but yeah, 355 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 2: not at the time. 356 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 3: Here's what Rebecca Lobo meant by it. She meant by 357 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 3: it what almost every human being in the history of 358 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: our country has meant by it. When they said, that's 359 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 3: what americ's America great. Yeah, the ability to disagree without 360 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 3: any any punishment. And imagine a time and place where 361 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 3: we're at. We're during a an American sports broadcast. Someone 362 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 3: has to feel guilty for uttering three words. That's what 363 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 3: makes America great. Caleb Williams, he's on you know what 364 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: he reminds me of. He reminds me of the person 365 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 3: that was on the offending end of the of I 366 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:25,239 Speaker 3: don't know what you would call it, cheating, adultery, the 367 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 3: person that was the violator and the adultery term. And 368 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 3: now he is forever in guilt mode trying to make 369 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 3: it up to Bears fans forever in guilt mode. So 370 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 3: if Bears fans want something from Caleb, you know a 371 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 3: Caleb see him in the in the restaurant, could you 372 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 3: buy my meal? I'm a Bears fan. I think Caleb 373 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 3: will do it. He's in forever guilt mode. And this 374 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 3: was him on Saturday talking about Packers fans. I mean 375 00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 3: after the game. 376 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: I've been one of at Lambeau, one of these at 377 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: Lambo right now. 378 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 7: So obviously you're trying to do the Lambeau leap and 379 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 7: we actually try to jump in in the crowd where 380 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 7: our fans were. 381 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 2: It just I mean they start throwing everything at you. 382 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 2: They'll push them all, and the Lambeau leap it's. 383 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 7: A it's a it's a real leap. 384 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: It's not a it's not a little baby jump. 385 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 7: You actually have to hide jump basically, and then you 386 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 7: know they're they're pushing you, mushing your face. 387 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 6: I mean there, that was probably that. 388 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: And then I have one today. 389 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: I was actually in a car and I got a 390 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 3: I got ran down for six blocks. 391 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: In a car. Yeah that was fun. 392 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 3: Okay, So it's all so him saying he didn't want 393 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 3: to go to the Bears him trying until the very 394 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 3: last second to not go to the Bears. It's all 395 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: made up for because he took some time to say 396 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 3: that the Packers and Packers fans sucked up. 397 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, he did it. I was at a concert called 398 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 2: Summer Smash. Took my son to it. It's for cread 399 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: this weekend, and then we'd come back and go to the 400 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 2: con meet my son at the concert at night, and 401 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: he he started a Packers suck chant as well. Yeah, 402 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I look, granted, the Packers only beat them 403 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 2: because they blew a field goal, but congratulations on beating 404 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 2: the Packers' backups in the last game of the season. 405 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: That makes you awesome. But yes, I thought you're Is 406 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 2: that a metaphor that's perfect, perfect parallel is Yeah, he's 407 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 2: forever that guy who has to go over the top, 408 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: almost go Russell Wilson in regards to how he feels 409 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 2: about Bear's Nation in order to and somehow endear himself 410 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: to a fan base he didn't want cheering for him. 411 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 3: The U This Is listener submitted I'm going to say 412 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 3: John in Vegas. He listens to the podcast a lot. 413 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 3: John says this, here's a You're annoying for Monday managers 414 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: to take a starter out after ninety pitches when they're 415 00:23:54,280 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 3: throwing a gym. Fucking nonsense, he says. Seth Lougou, who 416 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: pitches for his Royals pitching a gym ninety pitches yesterday 417 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 3: in the seventh and the manager takes him out after 418 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 3: ninety pitches. Bullpen blows the lead, padres Win. I agree 419 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 3: with John and Vegas here. Baseball managers baseball in general, 420 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 3: have become completely pussified when it comes to starting pitching. 421 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: There's just something for feel. You know, this is a coach, Doug. 422 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 3: You're in the middle of a game. There's kind of 423 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 3: like what the analytics say, there's like a pitch count 424 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: or a minutes count, but you're like, okay, but the 425 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 3: feel of the game is that this guy's dominating their hitters. 426 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 3: He looks great, pulls. Seth Lugo, Royals lose. That is annoying, Doug. 427 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: Totally annoying. The The only counter to it is the 428 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: Johannes Santana, Right, you guys, remember when Johan Santana through 429 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 2: the first no hitter in the history of the New 430 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: York Mets. That sounds right, yeah, yeah, And I think 431 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: he through a record number of pitches for himself. Granted 432 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: it was a lot more than one hundreds, like one 433 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty six. Maybe it was. It was crazy. 434 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: He was literally never the same sense. Now there's a 435 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: middle ground there, right, there's a middle ground there between 436 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: just go by the book, go by what the analytics 437 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 2: department tells you, go by the numbers, and just go 438 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: by feel. But I would also i'd tell you that 439 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 2: those guys, if they pull pictures, they're not doing it 440 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 2: because they want to pull a picture. They're doing it 441 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: because they're being told able. Right, It's like Dave Roberts. 442 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: You can barely see where the strings are are attached 443 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: to his hands to get him to go to go 444 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: get a picture from the mound. But yes, it is 445 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: annoying that you're sitting there and go like, I understand 446 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: what the book says, I understand what management says. But 447 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: in this particular game, like he's being economical, he's not sweating, 448 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 2: he's you know, he's not throwing any extra pitches, he's 449 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 2: not laboring, and just the second then he gives up, 450 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: gives up a hit or gives up a walk, it 451 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: starts to get then you can again coach by field, 452 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,479 Speaker 2: but they don't let him do it. 453 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 3: There's a guy named Matt Quatrro Katarro Totruro. Sorry John 454 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: in Vegas, I got your manager's name wrong. I'm guessing 455 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 3: he's got a Dave Roberts deal with management that if 456 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 3: he loses it enough games to where it reaches that 457 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: threshold where management's like, we got to make a move 458 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 3: to be like, I took your guys's orders in this 459 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 3: seth Lugo game. This is on you. I just took orders. 460 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 3: I can't be held accountable for losses. 461 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's amazing. That's amazing. Was that what it wills? 462 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 3: Nope, that's it. So Matt Kotrarro and the Royals for 463 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 3: pulling him early. We got Caleb Williams for forever being 464 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 3: in I Cheated on You guilt mode. And Rebecca Lobo 465 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 3: and the thirty four second of awkwardness. 466 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,479 Speaker 2: Oh I think it's Rebecca. I mean everything about everything 467 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: about the WNBA, and how so many of them have 468 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 2: this hatred for Caitlin Clark. How some many of them 469 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 2: are so caught up in politics they can't you know, 470 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: fathom with the world around them. I just and again 471 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with by the way, it's terrible broadcasting 472 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: to say that's what makes somebody great, that's what makes 473 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: America great. That's total cliche. So be better. But you 474 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: can also be better by not pointing out the fact 475 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: that you don't agree with the president and his slogan. 476 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: And it actually deceives the fact that you're not actually 477 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: very good at your job, right that when you're uttering 478 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 2: cliches like well, that's what Nin's gate, that's terrible broadcasting. 479 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: And for that, you're knowing why we do this. 480 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: Because we can. 481 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: So we get the pleasure of seeing Joy Taylor every 482 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: single day on FS one on the show Speak. And 483 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: here's the difference between how you can watch her on 484 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 3: FS one and this podcast. She was on Joe Budden's 485 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 3: podcast talking about Kate and Clark, and the cool thing 486 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 3: about that is she could use blue language. And this 487 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 3: is Joy Taylor with Joe Budden, the. 488 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 8: Magic Johnson Larry Bird moment for the WNBA, Like this 489 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 8: is great. I'm a storyteller. I think storylines are so 490 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 8: fucking important. I think you need villains, I think you 491 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 8: need heroes, you need shit to sell. You gotta sell 492 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 8: a fight like brand did all of this, and it 493 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 8: was it upset why men's watched this strong, winning, unapologetic 494 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 8: black women be in there, you know, being Kaylen's a face. Yeah, 495 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 8: and they still claim to it. And it's now like 496 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 8: spun to this whole thing where like Caitlin's better than 497 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 8: Angel and. 498 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. I just said, we would not. 499 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 8: Be talking about Caitlin Clark the way that we do 500 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 8: if it wasn't for that moment with Angel Rees. 501 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: What I don't know, what about all the logo three 502 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 3: she hit before meeting Angel Reese in the title game. 503 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, Angel Reese has done a great 504 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: job of playing the villain and she's benefited greatly in 505 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: I use the term that I think people will understand, 506 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: but I use it in basketball as well, called whitewash. 507 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: But I don't use whitewash in the sense that woke 508 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: people use the term whitewash, which is, you know, making 509 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: everything about white people and whitewashes. Technically, you know, when 510 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 2: a wave crashes, then there's the whitewash, and there's kind 511 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: of collateral damage, you know, with what it takes back 512 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 2: into the ocean, right and or you can say gravitational 513 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 2: pull of Caitlin Clark. The gravitational pull of Kitlin Clark 514 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: has pulled Angelries into stardom. She should be so thankful. 515 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: And I actually like that Angel Reies. I don't think 516 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: she did it on purpose, but the trademarking the term 517 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: me bounds when all she's doing is rebounding her own 518 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 2: mislayups is both funny ironic and if that's what she's 519 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: leaning into, that's really smart. It's actually really smart. But 520 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 2: Joey Taylor is so unbelievably woke. I mean, this is 521 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: I don't have we discussed this in the pod. Fuck 522 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: it we can. I mean, look what happened with me 523 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 2: on the herd was I was on the herd during 524 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: those the protest times, right during the summer of twenty twenty. 525 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: And that was when the Drew brees. Hey. When I 526 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: look at the American I think of I don't know 527 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: if it was my uncle's or my grandfather or whatever, 528 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 2: my relatives fighting for you know, fighting for our country. 529 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 2: And she went on a tangential rant. Grant to remember 530 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: she was. It doesn't matter what anybody says. Everyone knows 531 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: Colin is the host, and he has an update person. 532 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: He has worked through several of them right now, currently 533 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: it's Jason McIntyre and Colin is a kind human being, 534 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: so he says, my co host. But I mean it's 535 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: it's not a co host situation. Although would Joy wanted 536 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: to be a co host situation, and I would guess 537 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 2: that's why Joy is no longer on the Herd. That's 538 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 2: a guest. I don't know. But Joy said, you know, 539 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: like on air, she said that you can't say that. 540 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: That's not how it is. That's not what the flag represents. 541 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 2: It's not intended to represent. It doesn't represent. And what 542 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: I said to her was like, listen, I hear you. 543 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 2: But there are a lot of people in this country 544 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 2: who when they think of the American flag, they think 545 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: of people who served in our country. I don't like 546 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: what I think of is I think of Just for 547 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: full disclosure my thoughts on our country. I have lived abroad, 548 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: granted not recently, but I've lived abroad. I've traveled abroad, 549 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: not as much recently as i'd like. I want to 550 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: travel soon, but I don't know if it's smart to 551 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,479 Speaker 2: do so. And when I think of old Glory, I 552 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: think of a couple things. Nine to eleven. I was 553 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 2: at Oklahoma Kansas State before I got my first chance 554 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 2: to do it. ESPN broadcast that night the next night, 555 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: and I thought of the solidarity that we showed each other. 556 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 2: But I mostly think of when you travel back from 557 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: being in a foreign country and you see old glory, 558 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: you realize that there are great places to live, there 559 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: are great even better places of vacation. But there's nowhere 560 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: else on earth that I would rather actually call home 561 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: the United States of America for all the reasons, even 562 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: our ability to have discourse, even our ability to anyway. 563 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: So I said that to her and Jason, like I 564 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 2: personally think she said, I don't ever want him on 565 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: the show again. I don't know that because I didn't 566 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: hear that from her, but I heard it from other people, 567 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 2: and I just look, this is who she is, you know, 568 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 2: and that's what she thinks. She thinks that because we're 569 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 2: like fragile white guys. Shut the actual fuck up, joy, 570 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Like? How does race playf 571 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: This has always bothered me, always bothered me. Okay, there's 572 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 2: a reality and then there's what you get people that 573 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 2: use the term white privilege. There is no privilege in 574 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 2: being white and playing basketball. Okay, nobody thinks you're any good, 575 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: nobody thinks you're athletic. All they think you can do 576 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 2: is shoot and and when you're smaller, they think you're 577 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 2: just there to be a a cheerleader and and and 578 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: and a towaver. Right, that's the reality of it. Now, 579 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 2: there's a there's negative stereotypes stor as black players too. Like, 580 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but generally in basketball it's not 581 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 2: a positive. There's not privilege there to being white. You 582 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 2: have to do you have to go above and beyond 583 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 2: in level of effort, intensity, work ethic, not just to 584 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 2: be a player, I mean everybody does. Like I'm bothered 585 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: by the term a jim rat because it's usually reserved 586 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 2: for a white guy, when like, do you think Steph 587 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 2: Curry would be the greatest shooter of all time if 588 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 2: he wasn't a gym rat? Right? Do you think Damian 589 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: Lillard wouldn't be a great shooter if he wasn't a 590 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: gym rat. Of course he's a gym rat, but it 591 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: usually is reserved for a white guy. But this idea 592 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 2: that there's some sort of privilege to being white playing 593 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 2: basketball is so far from the fucking truth. It's honestly, 594 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 2: it's irritating, and it really really bothered. It bothers everybody 595 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 2: who's white and basketball. I'm just the only one with 596 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 2: the platform to say it. But her thing of like that, 597 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 2: were bothered, No, we're bothered because angel reaches of They 598 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 2: on ESPN celebrated the fact that she's taunting her opponent 599 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 2: continually when winning a game. That's why it was fucking awful. 600 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 2: It was the worst look for basketball I have seen 601 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 2: ever from a broadcast network. It was such bullshit. I've 602 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: never seen such a thing. And most people in women's 603 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 2: basketball were bothered by it. But you know what, they 604 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 2: won't say it because this is why, because you have 605 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 2: a kind of power structure in women's basketball that believes 606 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 2: just no different. And she's white. What's her name? From 607 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: the Minnesota w NBA team, she was the coach of 608 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 2: USA basketball. You know she's now she's in a beef 609 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 2: with with with Christine Brennan, who Christine Brennan is a feminist, 610 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 2: Like she's on your side, Like what are you doing? 611 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 2: They just constantly clash at each other, but everyone's scared 612 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: to speak out let me just cut to the brass tacks. 613 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 2: I am a college basketball coach. If a player who 614 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 2: plays for me acts the way that Angel Rees acted, 615 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 2: she would not play for me. I'd send her down 616 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 2: and go, what the fuck are you doing? We just 617 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 2: want a national championship. Make it about us, not about her, 618 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 2: you know, not about her. And look, Caitlin Clark, they 619 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 2: all talk shit, they do. They talk way more shit 620 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 2: in the women's game. They can do the men's game. 621 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 2: It's just this bizarro world. It looks like our universe, 622 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 2: It feels like our universe. It is not. They think 623 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 2: the reason nobody watched was because somehow it challenged our 624 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 2: egos as men. No, it's because you can't make a 625 00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 2: fucking layup. That's it. You miss more layups than guys do, 626 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 2: and there's a reason for it. You're not shooting above 627 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 2: the rim, so it's a harder shot. Hey, Like, name 628 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 2: me the women's sport outside of women's tennis, women's tennis. 629 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 2: There was a time there were more people watch because 630 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 2: it was a better watch, just like people are watching 631 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 2: now because Taylin Clark is a good watch. She's, by 632 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 2: the way, currently in a massive shooting slum. She's struggling. 633 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 2: She's struggling those those logo threes. There's a reason that 634 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 2: no one outside of Steph Curry shot him as often 635 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 2: as he shot him, because it's a low percentage shot 636 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 2: and she's suffering that. And because people are gardener picking 637 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,959 Speaker 2: her up, being more physical with her, she's taking tougher shots. 638 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 2: She's shooting a lower percentage. That's what happens is you'll 639 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 2: figure it out or she won't. But this idea that 640 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 2: everything comes down to some sort of racial identity and 641 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 2: ego crisis for men like Joy has done more to 642 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 2: embarrass herself over the past six months. But again it's 643 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 2: part of the it's just like the Angel Reese think. 644 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 2: There's no accountability for it, and why should Angel Rees 645 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 2: be accountable. Her coach didn't hold her accountable, the media 646 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,919 Speaker 2: doesn't hold her accountable, and you have people talking about 647 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 2: it's about race. It's not about race. She acted like 648 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 2: an asshole male female. No one acts like that. And 649 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 2: then she got to the set of ESPN and they 650 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 2: all champion, They all laughed, like, what what are you doing? 651 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 2: What are you talking about? We don't celebrate that in 652 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 2: college sports ever, And I can tell you there's black 653 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 2: coaches that were upset by the white coach that they 654 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 2: don't care if that's not the sport, that's not what 655 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 2: we want wants to be represented. But part of it 656 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 2: is who she's coached by. She's coached by Kim Mokey, 657 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 2: who everybody hates because that's who Kim Mokey is. So yeah, 658 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 2: I don't I this is Joy. Joy is the she is. 659 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 2: She's one of those people that I think the the 660 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 2: year two thousand turned her into a person that is 661 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,439 Speaker 2: not particularly enjoyable to be around. Like the crazy part 662 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 2: about it is Joy was married to a white guy, right, 663 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 2: And I think Joy's mixed. Does she mixed race? I 664 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 2: think she's mixed race. I don't know. But there's something 665 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 2: going on in there where she's like so bitter and 666 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 2: what is she bitter over? She's been on the biggest 667 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 2: radio show on Earth, sports radio show on Earth, and 668 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 2: now she has her own TV show and she's just 669 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 2: super super bitter and lashing out towards like white people, 670 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 2: and I don't fucking understand it. Maybe there's something in 671 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 2: her childhood I don't know about. Maybe there's something that 672 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 2: somebody said to her. I treated with her with nothing 673 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,919 Speaker 2: but respect. All I ever said to her was, hey, 674 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 2: there's I hear you. There's another side there that doesn't 675 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 2: view it the way you view it. And the way 676 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 2: it works in our country is you say something, this 677 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 2: is what I believe. Somebody else is something, yes, they believe, 678 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 2: and as long as it doesn't violate your civil rights 679 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 2: or your personal rights, like that's okay. It's more than 680 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 2: okay to say I look at the American flag and 681 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 2: this is what I think of. But she cannot and 682 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 2: will not hear anyone else's side because if it's uttered 683 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 2: out of a person that has a skin that has 684 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 2: less melon in hers like mine, somehow you become a racist, 685 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 2: you know, and then you factor in you're a guy, 686 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 2: so then you're a chauvinist as well. None of that 687 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 2: is true. This sends my ted talk that why can 688 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 2: we play for you? Because we can. That's it for 689 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 2: the Inner Bones Podcast. Check out the radio show every 690 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 2: day three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific. Thanks for 691 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 2: the listening. I'm Doug Goatlet