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Speaker 3: Oh and thanks very much for being with us at

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Speaker 3: the combine.

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Speaker 4: An Indian app was Second Data ro.

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Speaker 3: I thought Mike Persuda was going to be leading us

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Speaker 4: I would never try to take such a role. That's

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Speaker 5: The line with you, king Er, you handle the puck.

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Speaker 5: I just go to the front of the net. You're

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Speaker 5: the voice of the organization.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm down here looking up the PFF draft from

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Speaker 3: yesterday and Mike's got it on his computer and then

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Speaker 3: we just have well, that's you know what that is.

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Speaker 3: That's us doing some groundbreaking experimentation with with in radio

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's big.

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Speaker 4: Nobody nobody tried that.

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Speaker 5: I'm actually a big fan of that. Let's give it

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Speaker 5: a shott dramatic pause.

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Speaker 4: We're cutting edge kind of guys. Get him curious, get

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Speaker 4: them on the edge of their seats. Oh, who's gonna talk?

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Speaker 4: What are they gonna say? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So a lot of great actors we have that right, Yes,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't work so well. On radio, we have Mike Perzuda,

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Speaker 3: we have Matt Williams, and I'm Rob King. Thanks very

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Speaker 3: much for being with us for our third day of

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Speaker 3: coverage here from the Combine, continuing coverage all day long

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Speaker 3: here on See there's Nation Radio part of this year,

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Speaker 3: there's Audio Network and Matt, I'm gonna ask you a

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Speaker 3: question that I asked you was as we were walking

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Speaker 3: What have you sort of learned or is it a

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Speaker 3: little too early in the process for you yet to

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Speaker 3: kind of really have a good feel for what others

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Speaker 3: around the NFL are thinking. And by the way, the

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Speaker 3: caveat is with this question is always that you know

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Speaker 3: your opinion is right there at the top with everybody else.

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Speaker 4: But have you gotten.

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Speaker 3: Any have you gleaned anything from other guys?

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Speaker 6: Well, I am excited today We're actually going to get

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Speaker 6: forty times and verticals and drills and all that stuff

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Speaker 6: and you know, verified heights and weights and arms and

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Speaker 6: hands and all that stuff that we can you know,

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Speaker 6: check those boxes and with the defensive lineman, which I

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Speaker 6: think is one of the absolute most important positions for

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Speaker 6: drills and testing. But yes, there's a lot, but some

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Speaker 6: of the things have just been kind of more affirmed

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Speaker 6: by talking to these people that I trust a lot

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Speaker 6: that have Really is not a good year to be

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Speaker 6: picking in the top five. You know, there's not a

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Speaker 6: premium you know group of especially positions that you really

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Speaker 6: look for great you know, offensive tackles like a Penny

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Speaker 6: Sewer or a Joe Alt Like, yes, it's a really

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Speaker 6: good wide receiver draft, which sets up very well for

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Speaker 6: the Steelers. But there's not Jamar Chase or Harrison or

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Speaker 6: neighbors from recent years that are you know, top eight

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Speaker 2: The twenty fifth pick in the draft.

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Speaker 6: Lighted up here these next couple of days, and then

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden, we're talking about them as the

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of there's not a lot of hurdles

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Speaker 6: it's not like, boy, I can't possibly get over those

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Speaker 6: that interests me. But I do think, all in all,

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Speaker 6: pretty much since I've been involved or watched this team,

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Speaker 3: Do you before I get to you, Mike Matt, I

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Speaker 3: people that chart the history of the draft, So you know,

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Speaker 3: It's actually like twenty. Okay, so yeah, but there really

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Speaker 3: so so thank you for getting me the exact numbers.

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Speaker 6: So if you look at like twenty, like where pick

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Speaker 3: Is that true? So this year's are twenty one or

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Speaker 3: I'll seeing fewer mocks with them selecting Ty Simpson. Do

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Speaker 4: Are they found?

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Speaker 2: Not as much?

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Speaker 6: And this team it's been a little while, but this

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Speaker 6: as good a player in the second round as the first.

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Speaker 6: But I think the first sixty to seventy five picks

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Speaker 3: Right, Mike, your your first experience with the combine. What

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Speaker 3: has it been like for you.

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Speaker 5: It's been kind of hectic. There's a lot of work

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Speaker 5: getting done, but it has been interesting. I think, you know,

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Speaker 5: but just sitting in with you guys on some of

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Speaker 4: In addition to being.

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Speaker 5: An outstanding expert at this Matt is a well connected

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Speaker 4: Saying things that have me wanting to hear more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. One of the things a lot of people

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Speaker 5: One of the things I'm still kind of kicking around

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Speaker 5: in my head was your interviewed with Dane Brugler, another

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Speaker 4: Jordan from Arizona State, the wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: Now yeah, screwed up. Yeah, still worked out right and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know it's got a history of injury and

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Speaker 5: And Brugler was wondering aloud on your on your show,

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Speaker 5: this guy's top twelve player on tape. Maybe all of

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great way of looking at it.

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Speaker 4: And I wonder how many times that happens.

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Speaker 5: I can remember specifically, there were questions the year the

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Speaker 5: Steelers drafted Heath Miller, tight tight end was a layup

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Speaker 4: And Heath Miller was.

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Speaker 5: A great player at Virginia, but he had the sports

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Speaker 5: hernia thing didn't And I know for a fact there

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Speaker 5: were teams that did not have Heath Miller on their boards. Okay,

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Speaker 5: but that's one of the reasons he fell to the Steelers. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: the Steelers trust the only reason God. They trusted their

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Speaker 5: medical and it turned out better than they could have hoped.

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Speaker 2: Right, slighter risk than taking the other tight end.

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Speaker 5: But one of the great unknowns here is we don't

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Speaker 5: know each Each team is probably looking for pretty much

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Speaker 5: But I think where teams differ the most in the

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that that's I think I would couple

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Speaker 3: with that, though, you know, teams maybe becoming enamored with

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Speaker 3: I'm going around paying my visits to the different guys

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Speaker 3: some teams would lean more toward production over athleticism. So

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Speaker 3: they've drafted guys like Look, the story's not told on

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Speaker 3: Miles Murphy and Shamar Stewart, but neither one of those guys,

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Speaker 3: shown you whoa, hey, don't worry about Trey Hutchinson.

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Speaker 4: Man, We'll just you know, no, well yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I think that that I think the medical is

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Speaker 3: there's so many different nuances the production versus the the

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Speaker 3: there aren't considered to be that many blue chip players,

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Speaker 3: I think there are going to be some guys. There

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Speaker 3: are probably gonna be some guys you wanted it twenty

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Speaker 3: one that are going to test out of that pick. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and there are probably going to be some guys you

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Speaker 6: Ye talk medicals in a minute, But like we were

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Speaker 6: just talking receivers, and that's obviously the topic of the team,

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Speaker 6: and you've been calling it this year's defensive tackle, which

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Speaker 6: I think is a great way of putting it. Hypothetical

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Speaker 6: Tyson's not gonna do anything. There's red flags about his injuries. Okay,

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Speaker 6: well maybe he's gonna be there twenty one, then you know.

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Speaker 6: And even Lemon, who's great on tape, but he's gonna

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Speaker 6: be small and he's gonna be slow. One of those

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Speaker 6: two's okay. Both is hard, hard to decover your own

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Speaker 6: or I'm gonna use the first round pick on him.

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Speaker 6: So a lot of people are looking at those two like, oh,

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Speaker 6: there's no chance they're gonna be here for the Steelers.

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Speaker 6: Well they might, but what if concepts you own runs

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Speaker 6: a four to three, right, and Boston, who's supposed to

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Speaker 6: we're all human beings making these choices. It's easier to

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Speaker 4: Right of the current stock.

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Speaker 3: plenty to get to guests that are going to be

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Speaker 1: This is live cobble reach of that twenty twenty six

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Speaker 3: Here in Indianapolis alongside Matt Williamson and Mike Pursued.

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Speaker 4: I'm Rob King.

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Speaker 3: We thank you for being with us. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: we've seen a lot of mocks to this year.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: Had Tye Simpson early. I suppose it's possible if they

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Speaker 3: End, second round pick, and I do need to if

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Speaker 4: I really like that when people on Twitter correct me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I I think I called Mac. I

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Speaker 6: Yes, Mike had a good point early in the week.

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Speaker 4: Pro Football Reference had had foul Taunu.

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Speaker 5: plays two weeks for you or here and there.

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Speaker 4: Let me just sad.

442
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Speaker 5: I'm not a I'm not a fan of Pro Football Focus. Okay,

443
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to be critical of it, but I

444
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Speaker 5: do not.

445
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Speaker 6: We're scheduled to have a guest from Pro Football Focus

446
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Speaker 6: maybe system.

447
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Speaker 4: Now I don't run to them and.

448
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Speaker 6: Yeah, see what they think. I don't think it's gospel.

449
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Speaker 6: But he's a you will like the guest. I can

450
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Speaker 6: promise you to be gone.

451
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Speaker 4: Oh this is my last segment.

452
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Speaker 3: You might not be gone. So I do think the

453
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Speaker 3: one thing that.

454
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Speaker 5: Quarterbacks out to me, other than a free agent signing

455
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Speaker 5: or a seventh rounder camp arm type, right.

456
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Speaker 3: I would say this though it is so important, the

457
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Speaker 3: position is obviously so important that if you look at

458
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Speaker 3: him and you think maybe, yeah, maybe he's and I

459
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Speaker 3: don't mean maybe he's average. If it's maybe he's average,

460
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Speaker 3: I'm out.

461
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Speaker 4: I don't want.

462
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Speaker 3: Maybe he's average, I don't want. His ceiling is a

463
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Speaker 3: little above average. Right, again, always a sliding scale. If

464
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Speaker 3: you look at this guy and you think I could

465
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Speaker 3: see him being a top twelve quarterback in the NFL,

466
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Speaker 3: then I'm taking him.

467
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Speaker 6: If I could write that story and make it slightly believable, right,

468
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Speaker 6: you know, right, you're a writer.

469
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Speaker 2: I'm a creative writing I was a creative writing major.

470
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Speaker 6: I say this to Wes all the time, like, if

471
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Speaker 6: I could turn this in when I was a creative

472
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Speaker 6: writing major, and my professor said, it's a little far fetched,

473
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Speaker 6: but at least I'll buy it. Right on that way, Right,

474
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Speaker 6: it's not the best story.

475
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Speaker 2: You know, you were up late and you did late,

476
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Speaker 2: you know, but maybe.

477
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Speaker 5: Alright, So let me ask you this. I don't know

478
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Speaker 5: if this has ever been researched. If it has, I

479
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Speaker 5: either was unaware or have forgotten. But does anybody actually

480
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Speaker 5: know what the Patriots were thinking when they drafted Tom Brady?

481
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Speaker 4: Were they sitting there thinking, you know, we got a

482
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Speaker 4: first round.

483
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Speaker 5: Grade on this guy, and we have been sorted now,

484
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Speaker 5: we have been so sly.

485
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Speaker 4: To pass him over ourself five times?

486
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Speaker 5: Right? And wait now, we're gonna pilets on the sixth

487
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Speaker 5: round or did they say, you know what, it's a sixth.

488
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Speaker 4: Rod ass, or take a quarterback. We'll see what happened.

489
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Speaker 2: I kind of know.

490
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Speaker 6: I think it was Scott Pioli was the GM at

491
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Speaker 6: the time, and in his office there is I guess

492
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Speaker 6: there was a football card put out with whoever they

493
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Speaker 6: picked and Brady like on the same card, and he

494
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Speaker 6: got this thing blown up and put behind his desk.

495
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Speaker 6: To remember, I thought this dude was better than Brady.

496
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Speaker 6: I don't know what the heck I'm talking about. We

497
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Speaker 6: stumbled into one, you know, we kind of liked him.

498
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Speaker 6: It's it's the Will Howard probably conversation. We had a

499
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Speaker 6: fourth round grade on. We took him the sixth or whatever.

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Speaker 5: And you're not interested in the guy, if he's only

501
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Speaker 5: potentially average, you're gonna really cut down the list of candidate.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what I'm gonna do this year. But I'm

503
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Speaker 3: gonna do that this year, by the way, it's I

504
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Speaker 3: just wasn't looking. Brady just finished his forty from twenty

505
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Speaker 3: five years a right, and he looked bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

506
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Speaker 3: he did not a hard.

507
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Speaker 6: Time beating Drew Henson out. I mean, he was barely

508
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Speaker 6: a starter in college.

509
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Speaker 3: But Drew Henson remember and that you know, if you

510
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Speaker 3: if you're ever looking back at a you know, one

511
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Speaker 3: of those you know, signed from the past, that maybe

512
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Speaker 3: you should have been paying more attention. It was the

513
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Speaker 3: fact that Drew Henson, who was the number one recruit

514
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Speaker 3: out of high school at my recollection, is the number

515
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Speaker 3: one recruit. Then he played professional base, it didn't work out,

516
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Speaker 3: comes back to Michigan and still started some games for

517
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Speaker 3: the Cowboys. You know, Yeah, I mean it's kind of

518
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Speaker 3: like it's almost like you know, in a in a

519
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Speaker 3: in a different way, but it's almost a little like

520
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Speaker 3: Tyler Palcoll and Joe Flacco when they're making that decision,

521
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Speaker 3: you know, when Flacco wound up, of course, you know,

522
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Speaker 3: Tyler Palcoll made the NFL. Joe Flacco wound up of course,

523
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Speaker 3: having a longer, more decorated career. So anyway, I just

524
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Speaker 3: think that, yes, Mike, to your point, I'm not especially

525
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Speaker 3: this year, but I think really any year, and an

526
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Speaker 3: average quarterback, while not of no value, is of less

527
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Speaker 3: value to me than if I can get a good

528
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Speaker 3: starting player at another position.

529
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Speaker 4: So I wouldn't waste it.

530
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Speaker 3: But if you thought this guy wasn't, nuss Meyer can

531
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Speaker 3: considered a top top pick going into this season. Yes,

532
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Speaker 3: him and al are both right.

533
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Speaker 6: And club Nick and a couple of these guys. Aler

534
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Speaker 6: is the only one though that just like his high

535
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Speaker 6: end physical traits, you know, they're all club Nick and

536
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Speaker 6: nus Meyer both a little smaller.

537
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Speaker 2: They don't blow you away all. Aler's not really athletic though.

538
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Speaker 3: I mean, well, that's why I'm saying, what would the

539
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Speaker 3: Mississippi guy have?

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Speaker 6: He would have been interesting. I think he would have

541
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Speaker 6: fought Ty Simpson for for QB two. Now he's short.

542
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Speaker 6: I just don't know how short. He might be five

543
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Speaker 6: to ten flat or he might be five eleven and

544
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Speaker 6: a half.

545
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Speaker 3: Right, So, and again to go back to my initial point,

546
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Speaker 3: not necessarily these players. Yeah, that's that selection of guys,

547
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: which again is receiver, offensive tackle, cornerback, quarterback, and safety.

548
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Speaker 3: Like I said before, I would probably swap out cornerback

549
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Speaker 3: for inside linebacker potentially guard, right like I would like

550
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Speaker 3: to hide with flexibility.

551
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Speaker 2: To take an offensive lineman with one of those top

552
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Speaker 2: five picks.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, there's no scenario the draft one here.

554
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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, so I believe to me that is uh,

555
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Speaker 4: you know, I.

556
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Speaker 3: Think that the positions there are more in line than

557
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Speaker 3: other mock drafts. And see what I think this chuder

558
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Speaker 3: should do.

559
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Speaker 5: You know, back to how you opened the segment here

560
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Speaker 5: about you know, what if we learned and what are

561
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Speaker 5: our impressions? And another one of mine is Al Saunders

562
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Speaker 5: wrote about this on the Steelers. Now we're talking Omar

563
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 5: tuesday morning over to Conrad Hotel. It's semi informal thing

564
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Speaker 5: with the local media, and Al asked them, you guys

565
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Speaker 5: have spent so much draft capital on the trenches both

566
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Speaker 5: sides the last three years. Maybe time to look at

567
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Speaker 5: a perimeter, guys, skilled player. And Omar said, I'm going

568
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Speaker 5: to paraphrase this and hit about half of it, right,

569
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Speaker 5: he said, as I stand here today, Yes, yes, it's

570
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Speaker 5: time to move on from the trenches that he added.

571
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Speaker 5: But when you get to it, you see all these

572
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Speaker 5: good players. We're certainly not going to run away from

573
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Speaker 5: a good player offensive line.

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Speaker 4: Man. Look at the left side.

575
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Speaker 6: We don't know about left tackle and we don't drave

576
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Speaker 6: them two of them, and.

577
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Speaker 4: We don't know about left guard.

578
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Speaker 5: It would not be the best thing in the world

579
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Speaker 5: to do to take totally get either one of those positions.

580
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Speaker 6: And by the way, what's the biggest shortage in the league.

581
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Speaker 6: I mean I talk about this all the time. D

582
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Speaker 6: line is so much more so much and today will

583
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Speaker 6: show us this in the in the combine and the drills.

584
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Speaker 6: D line is so much more talent than the line.

585
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Speaker 6: It's the biggest shortage in the league. Quarterback aside, if

586
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 6: you have won extra you can trade them all the time.

587
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 6: I mean they traded Green, they traded you know, someone's

588
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 6: always going to beg you for your extra offensive lineman

589
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Speaker 6: if he can make their team.

590
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Speaker 4: Add back to the fix your mistakes point.

591
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Speaker 5: Not that I'm calling Broder Jones a mistake, right, but

592
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Speaker 5: he is certainly an uncertainty at this point for a number, right,

593
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Speaker 5: I mean we sold the cook took a left tackle

594
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Speaker 5: back in twenty twenty three.

595
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Speaker 4: Maybe you need to take another one.

596
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Speaker 3: Yep, I agree. And by the way, I.

597
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Speaker 6: Very much believe you drafted an offensive lineman every year

598
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Speaker 6: and they didn't last totally.

599
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Speaker 3: The other position, well, they drafted three the year before.

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Speaker 2: I was fine with that too.

601
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

602
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Speaker 3: The second they were trying to catch up, right, right,

603
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: this was and again people. This is a little underrated

604
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Speaker 3: by a lot of people. These first three years under

605
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Speaker 3: Omar Con There's been some catching up to do. There's

606
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Speaker 3: been the need to rebuild the trenches with youth, and

607
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: people just just disregard that.

608
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Speaker 4: Some people.

609
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Speaker 6: I love Kevin Colbert to death and I think he

610
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Speaker 6: should be a Hall of Fame jeis, absolutely, But when

611
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Speaker 6: you look go to draftistory dot com and look at

612
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Speaker 6: the day they drafted David di Castro.

613
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Speaker 2: In the first round.

614
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Speaker 6: Until Omar took over, they took like three offensive linemen

615
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Speaker 6: in ten years now. There is some excuses for it

616
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 6: because Palcy and the Castro were young, and Munchak was

617
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 6: taken undrafted free agents and turning him into starters, which

618
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 6: was is the most golden thing you could have in

619
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Speaker 6: this league. I mean that that is really, you know,

620
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 6: the golden goose. But you can't ignore in the draft

621
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Speaker 6: like the Steelers did, and they thought they were close,

622
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 6: and they were. I understood the logic behind it. But

623
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Speaker 6: when Omar took over, the trenches were bare, especially on

624
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Speaker 6: no line.

625
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they and they got caught, you know, a

626
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: couple of key injuries obviously Ryan Shazier and other things. Yeah,

627
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: they had them doing uncharacteristics Steelers things, which is chasing

628
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: after certain positions, which which they try not to trade

629
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: right exactly, So the other thing that's missing here for me.

630
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Speaker 3: So again I wouldn't mind too offensive linemen because I'm greedy.

631
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: That way, I'm taking two non centers.

632
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: But I right, But I also think that defensive line

633
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: is still if I could find somebody in those first

634
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: three rounds I felt great about, I would still be

635
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: leaning in that direction. You know, we talked to Jerry

636
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: somebody that resembles a nose, So see that that's to

637
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: me if the was. And again, every year is different,

638
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: every draft class is different, every trend is different around

639
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: the league from year to year. Every desire is different.

640
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: But when you when you think about like value for

641
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: a pick, right, So where do you want to take

642
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: a guy who's only probably going to play twenty five

643
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: maybe thirty five percent of the snaps? I don't really

644
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: want to take that guy in the first round. No,

645
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: but I want a nose tackle. So is there going

646
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: is that guy going to exist in the third round?

647
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: If he is, I'm pouncing on him. How about the

648
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: second they usually do? How about the second row?

649
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Speaker 6: I would say the first if there's a If I

650
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 6: think there's a next Cam Hayward, I would take it right.

651
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 4: Fir deal House State guys there in the second row.

652
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Speaker 6: No, but he's gonna get overdrafted, just like the Ohio

653
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 6: State kid last year because to Rob's point, he just

654
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 6: doesn't rush to pay. He might be the best run

655
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Speaker 6: stuffer in the league, but it's a Casey Hampton problem.

656
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 6: Like if the Steelers didn't if Casey Hampton was hurt,

657
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 6: they would just run the ball down your throat, right,

658
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 6: But if he's in there, they're gonna make him stand

659
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 6: on the sidelines and go three wide, right. But his

660
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 6: presence makes them do that, you know, right right. I

661
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 6: remember New England didn't even try to do it that way,

662
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 6: you know, and times have changed. But I do think

663
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 6: they need a big bodied run stuffer. But they have

664
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 6: to have a little bit of juice.

665
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the hard grave type. Let me say this

666
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: about Casey Hampton too. I always felt like when they

667
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: went to defensive linemen, you know which which you do

668
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: in it, you know, and the two out you know,

669
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: the four man front. Nikolod I would not have been

670
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: afraid to leave him in more often than he was

671
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: left in there like he would.

672
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 6: Maybe Smith and Keesel were lesser players.

673
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 3: Smith was so good, so good, but I mean that

674
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: dude could push the pocket. So if you got a

675
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: guy like that who you felt like, okay.

676
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 6: Well that was Hardgrave is a better example, right right,

677
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 6: because they had two a and Ayward. It's like that's

678
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 6: right he is he really could rush the past there

679
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 6: as a nose.

680
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: If you had a nose who could stop the run

681
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: but also slide over and play defensive tackle for you. Now,

682
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: to me, I am thinking about a higher pick than

683
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: a third round pick if I could find that guy.

684
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: But of course everybody in the league's looking for that guy.

685
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: Right yeah.

686
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 6: But still, if you're a C plus pass rusher at

687
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 6: an A minus run defender, you're not going the first round, right,

688
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 6: you know that's the day two guy.

689
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: Right, I think that that would be because then, you know,

690
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: I still would like to see Keanu Benton playing more

691
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: off the nose at the tackle position. But you know,

692
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: Jerry was saying that they really think they found a

693
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: keeper in Ya Black and that now you have a

694
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: rotation of Black, Harmon, Benton and and Cam Hayward.

695
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 6: I'm down they move bent or black more to nose.

696
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 6: We saw a little bit of it, but he didn't

697
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 6: play nose at Iowa.

698
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: Contrary to popular He has that size that it intrigues

699
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: you and that could get him on the field a

700
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: little bit more frequently.

701
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 6: But his play style isn't a nose, right, And that

702
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 6: was asking a lot for rookie to move from three

703
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 6: technique to nose.

704
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: And that doesn't sound like much. But blocks come at

705
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: you different, you know, right right?

706
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: It is interesting And of course all of these discussions

707
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: will change a little bit as the team gets into

708
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: free agency.

709
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: So that's I can.

710
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 6: See the D line need going up and up and up.

711
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 6: You know, you sign a corner, you sign a receiver,

712
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 6: You start signing some people.

713
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: Expensive and free agents.

714
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they was Yeah, I think you

715
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: want to.

716
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 4: Dress looking for a tackle or d live. But that's.

717
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: You're not gonna get your money as well. That's a

718
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: terrible aisle to shop.

719
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: Okay, So we have plenty more coverage to come, like

720
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: Persuda still with us before you head out a little

721
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: bit later for another assignment today, keeping you busy real

722
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: quick for yeah, Matt Williamson and myself, Rob King We're

723
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: going to continue their coverage from the Combine in Indianapolis

724
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: here on Steelers Nation Radio, part of the Steelers Audio Network.

725
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: This is live covery reach of that twenty twenty six

726
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio, a part of the

727
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: Steelers Audio Network.

728
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: And we are happy to be joined here at the

729
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: NFL Combine and Indianapolis. Matt Williamson and myself, Rob Kake

730
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: by Trevor Sikama of PFF. Thanks very much for being

731
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: with us. Trevor, Yeah, yeah, we got to turn him up.

732
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 4: Matt.

733
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 6: Uh, I've never touched this thing before. I think it's

734
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 6: the green guy talking, Trevor, use this. I know this

735
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 6: one works. This is not my department at all.

736
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: Oh, this is just YE Live Radio. By the way, radio.

737
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: I was far away from that figures I could possibly be.

738
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you for having me. That's saying while

739
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 7: I was on mute, appreciate you.

740
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: Sure enough slack that we're good.

741
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: We're good, We're good.

742
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 4: You know.

743
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people, Trevor are interested in

744
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: the way PFF grades players right and how in particular

745
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 3: it would seem to me to be harder to grade

746
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: college players than it would be NFL players because the

747
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 3: level of competitions all over the map that these guys

748
00:34:59,320 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 3: are facing.

749
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 7: It's true, you know, level of competition. Though when it

750
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 7: comes to our grades, for example, you know, we're not

751
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 7: necessarily factoring the fact that like, oh, did this guy

752
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 7: play Ohio State or did he play you know, like

753
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 7: Louisiana State Tech whatever. You know, Really, the PFF grades

754
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 7: are essentially how you executed what was asked of you

755
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 7: on a certain play, and from there that's how you

756
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 7: get the positive and the negative, right, and and that's

757
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 7: building that out, it really is. It's it's not quite

758
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 7: like a it's not quite like a results grade, because

759
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 7: that's not that's true. It's necessarily because the results of

760
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 7: the play. You could have a negative result on the

761
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 7: play overall, but if you executed what was asked of

762
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 7: you on that play. That's obviously the point of us

763
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 7: watching every single player, every single play for all.

764
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: Of these guys.

765
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 6: You essentially yes, and look, look is it perfect.

766
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: No, We'll be the first people to tell you, yeah,

767
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: that it's not perfect.

768
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 7: However, we have a lot of data, we have a

769
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 7: lot of experience with a lot.

770
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: Of these guys.

771
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 7: We've got former coaches, former players that come in throughout

772
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 7: the off season, look at our process, tell us how

773
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 7: it can and you know, tweak it a little bit.

774
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 3: Here.

775
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 7: We'll walk through things that are sometimes maybe the pain

776
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 7: points I don't know exactly because I didn't come up

777
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 7: through data grading, but or like data collection and grading,

778
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 7: but like we'll go through the pain points of like, hey,

779
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 7: you know, sometimes everybody would have a difficult time saying like, hey,

780
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 7: do you feel like this guy did the right job here?

781
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 7: And you know, sometimes that's when we can get like

782
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 7: the expertise of coaches and players and things like that

783
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 7: to say, well, you can see it this way, you

784
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 7: can see it that way, and so is it perfect. No,

785
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 7: But we do have a wealth of knowledge and a

786
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 7: lot of people that have come through to really help

787
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 7: us hone in on that grading process to make it

788
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 7: as close as it possibly can be to understanding what

789
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 7: a guy is asked to do on a play, how

790
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 7: he executed it, and getting that being how we get

791
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 7: to agree.

792
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Trevor have to ask, you know, as as

793
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: a long time observer of football and even somebody played

794
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 3: Division three many many years ago, there are times where

795
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: I'm like, somebody will so I think I have a

796
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: decent understanding of the game, and then and yet I'll

797
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: see a blown coverage on the back end and I

798
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: have no idea. Was that corner supposed to roll back

799
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: into cover three?

800
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: I don't know.

801
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: I wasn't in the adult right, Well, this guy's supposed

802
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: to loop around?

803
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: Was there? You know? Was there a twist up front?

804
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: One guy just didn't you know, didn't do his job

805
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: and collided with the other guys or the other guys.

806
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: You know, So those nuances are you saying, like the

807
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: balance of information, there's so much of it that those

808
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: things are such small anomalies, they're not going to affect things.

809
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 7: Yes, I think that when when when we say that

810
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 7: there are sometimes when when those instances come up when

811
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 7: it is really tough, especially especially with the game involved,

812
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 7: go right, I mean, like especially with the game evolving,

813
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 7: like things change and defensive coordinators do different things. And

814
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 7: so there are certainly like a handful of those things

815
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 7: that will happen, you know, like throughout the year, maybe

816
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 7: a couple that will happen throughout the week. But what

817
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 7: are our data graders do is we've got a lot

818
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 7: of people who are grading a lot of the games,

819
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 7: you know, logging where these players are are, are taking

820
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 7: their snaps and everything, and then we get our senior

821
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 7: data graders who are actually putting the grades on a

822
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 7: lot of these One person grades it, another person grades it,

823
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 7: then there's an independent grader who looks at both of

824
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 7: those grades kind of comes.

825
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 3: Up with the conclusion on their own.

826
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 7: And then if there are those instances where you're not

827
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 7: exactly you maybe you're not exactly sure, you flag that.

828
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 7: And our senior data grading management team all kind of

829
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 7: come together on Monday morning before the grades come out,

830
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 7: and they kind of go much crosscheck totally, cross taking

831
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 7: goes on, and that's something where it's like, hey, we

832
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 7: know we're not going to get it right one hundred

833
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 7: percent of the time, but we try to make it

834
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 7: to where it's as close as we can get.

835
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 6: And yeah, someone plays a thousand snaps and wrong, and

836
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 6: there are sometimes where I'm sure, hey, you know, maybe

837
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 6: we've seen a play a certain way throughout a season,

838
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 6: and at the end of the season, they do a

839
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 6: really great job of going through and almost do like

840
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 6: self scouting of how the year went.

841
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 7: Like I said, like, they'll have people in the building

842
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 7: who played the game and things like that. Who It's

843
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 7: just it's it's a really really cool, much more intricate

844
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 7: process than I think a lot of people know.

845
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: A lot of people like right right, like.

846
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 7: Jj Watt when jj Watt was on with McAfee and

847
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 7: he's like, oh, you know, some guy said an uber

848
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 7: driver was grading you know, the games and some but

849
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 7: he might be you know, a part time moverer driver

850
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 7: and a part time data collector for PFF. But it's

851
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 7: not like what that guy exactly says immediately goes onto

852
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 7: the website, right, cross chests know nothing like that. That's

853
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 7: probably somebody who And we've got so.

854
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: Many and everybody starts to learn, and.

855
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 7: We love people that are you know, maybe they're doing

856
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 7: this part time and they're learning with it and they

857
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 7: can kind of come through the more that they want

858
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 7: to do it, maybe it becomes a full time job

859
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 7: for them. So there are so many checks and and

860
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 7: things of the more I've learned about this company being

861
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 7: a part of it, there's so many smart people on

862
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 7: the back end who really bring those numbers.

863
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah, So I want to focus.

864
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 6: We're actually gonna get drills and before long that TV

865
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 6: is going to have. You know, forty yard dashes been

866
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 6: here for a while, we have got none of that action. Yeah,

867
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 6: so let's focus on D lineman. Sure, I want to

868
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 6: know your opinion on I kind of feel like today's

869
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 6: the most important position groups in terms of numbers and drills.

870
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 6: I need athletes upfront for sure, more maybe more so

871
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 6: than any position out there. And the follow up question,

872
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 6: and because we were just talking about this, I would

873
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 6: love for the Steelers to be in position at twenty

874
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 6: one to maybe take the first defensive tackle off the board.

875
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 6: Could who could that be? Could today go a long

876
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 6: way of figuring out who that is? And is there

877
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 6: someone that's worthy of that pick?

878
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 4: There?

879
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: Oh, for interior defensive lineman for sure.

880
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 7: And the I think the least likely part of the

881
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 7: scenario that you set up there is that the first

882
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 7: defensive tackle might not go off the board until twenty one.

883
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 7: I mean you think somebody going, I mean, I'm just

884
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 7: looking at I'm just looking at Kayleb Banks's measurements from Florida.

885
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: I mean that's the one I keep staring.

886
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: It's insane.

887
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 7: I mean the height, the length, the way, the wingspan,

888
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 7: the hand size, everything. I mean, God does not make

889
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 7: many human beings like Kayler Banks, especially ones that explode

890
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 7: off the ball like he is now. Is he super consistent?

891
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 7: Not all the time, but we even saw at the

892
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 7: Senior Bowl. He missed a lot of time this past

893
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 7: year due to a foot injury. But when he got

894
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 7: back out on the field of the Senior Bowl, I

895
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 7: mean you saw those Oh yeah, he looked there there.

896
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

897
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 7: I think he's got top twelve potential because of how

898
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 7: you he is in his build, but.

899
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: The tackles are sought after more than ever.

900
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 7: Right, But outside of him, I mean, like Peter Woods

901
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 7: could be an option for the Steelers at twenty one.

902
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: Lee Hunter I like Hunter.

903
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 7: I mean Hunter is somebody who you look at his frame,

904
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 7: you almost look at his like like his mid section,

905
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 7: like the chest and his stomach in his back, and

906
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 7: you go like, oh, he's kind of got a little

907
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 7: bit of a fire hydrant build. But then he measured

908
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 7: in he had I think over thirty three in charms,

909
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 7: So that's not really that's not like that bowling balls

910
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 7: tackle player.

911
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 2: And he has enough juice to take him in the

912
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 2: first round as a nose.

913
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 7: I think, So it's it's a little bit like it

914
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 7: was with Kean Ubenton, where he was asked to just

915
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 7: be a nose for most of his college career, and

916
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 7: then that last year that he was at Wisconsin, they go, okay,

917
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 7: you can be a little bit more of a pass

918
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 7: rusher here.

919
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: He showed a little bit more.

920
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 7: There, you get to the Senior Bowl, he shows a

921
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 7: little bit more as a pass rusher there.

922
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: Obviously it's not Hunter's level.

923
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 7: He's the Donald Hunter's level is higher than that, but

924
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 7: it's a little bit of the same progression or journey

925
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 7: for him, because Hunter for most of his career was

926
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 7: just sort of this run stuffing interior defensive lineman. And

927
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 7: then it really took towards the back end of this

928
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 7: past year that college football playoffs, specifically where they gave

929
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 7: him the green light to rush the pastor a little

930
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 7: more to where they were like, oh, okay, you're you're better.

931
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: At this than we thought you were.

932
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 7: Ye now you think about him as sort of a

933
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 7: complete defensive tackle.

934
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 3: You know, if you're I'm sorry, Matt, did you want

935
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 3: to I want to know.

936
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 6: I want to know if you agreed that today is

937
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 6: totally in terms of numbers, because.

938
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 7: You have to this is at least the day that

939
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 7: there's more unanswered questions of athleticism, right, Like corners, you're athletic.

940
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: You have to be.

941
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 7: If you're not, you're not going to play in the league.

942
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 7: Safety is kind of a little bit of the same

943
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 7: way wide receiver. It's like, yeah, okay, you can see

944
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 7: how fast the guy is, but there are wide receivers

945
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 7: that win without speed. You can win with technique. You

946
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 7: can be a little bit more quick than you are fast.

947
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 6: To be a successful lineman without being a really good

948
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 6: that's the thing.

949
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 7: You have to be explosive at least you know the

950
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 7: broad the verse, the ten yard the ten yards split

951
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 7: of the forty yard dash like we've got. You got

952
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 7: to be able to show out in those regards if

953
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 7: you're gonna have success in this league.

954
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: No.

955
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we were been talking a little bit about

956
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 3: defensive line and this year has obviously drafted a couple

957
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: guys last year, and they feel good about him. And

958
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: I think that if if I were to evaluate the

959
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: Steer's needs this is me not to Steelers, but I

960
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 3: would love to have a big nose tackle type. Maybe

961
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 3: you allow Benton to play a little bit more defensive tackle.

962
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: So but but but you know naturally little body John. Yeah,

963
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: those guys are bud. If you could get a great player,

964
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 3: sure you think about that. But this years have other

965
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: needs that they'd like to address. Ideally in an ideal world.

966
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: We were talking about this before, because you only play

967
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: maybe thirty percent of the snaps as a true nose

968
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: because there's so much you know, uh Nickel and that

969
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: sort of thing. Right, is there the possibility of getting

970
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: a good run stuffing nose tackle who could maybe you know,

971
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: you don't want him to be a zero in the

972
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 3: past rush department, But is that guy exist in the

973
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: third round? Absolutely? Yeah, I mean off the top of

974
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: my head.

975
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 7: I mean Dante Corleone from Cincinnati kind of comes to mind.

976
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: Watching last night.

977
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 4: I mean he doesn't fish though.

978
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 7: This dude Yeah yeah, yeah, but this dude, I mean

979
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 7: what he is doing on the defensive line. I mean

980
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 7: he's dealt with some health issues that have kept him

981
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 7: off the field a little bit. Man, when he has

982
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 7: been out there, I mean, he is a bowling ball

983
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 7: against the run. He is somebody who at the college

984
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 7: level it required two guys to try to move him

985
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 7: off of his spot. So he's somebody who I think

986
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 7: about there Dominique Orange. They call him Big Citrus from

987
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 7: Iowa State. He's got size, he got link to him,

988
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 7: but he's got that added explosiveness as well to where

989
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 7: he would not be that zero in the passing game.

990
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 6: So he's I'm aware of it. Who else so maybe

991
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 6: a little bit.

992
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 7: Albert Regis from Texas A and M I think is

993
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 7: somebody who is Texas A and M's had a lot

994
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 7: of flashier pass rushers, right like Nick Gordon, Shamar.

995
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 3: Stewart last year, big time asking howl from.

996
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 7: This past year, but like Albert Reeds has been in

997
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 7: the middle as one of those like nose tackle type

998
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 7: of dudes that does the dirty work for you. He's

999
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 7: not the biggest nose tackling so I think that's why

1000
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 7: he's seen maybe more of that kind of early day

1001
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 7: three type of a player. But I really like his game.

1002
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 7: I think he's a worker. And then the last Coal

1003
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 7: shout out is is Alabama's Tim Keenan, who really is

1004
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 7: more of that like bowling ball type of a player,

1005
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 7: and his pastors twin percentage is lower of course because

1006
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 7: they've been asking him to really just defend the run

1007
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 7: and hold the line of screens.

1008
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 2: Seems always have one of those.

1009
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: They got it.

1010
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 7: Too right, Yeah, they just get there so much in

1011
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 7: per So, those are two guys in the third round

1012
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 7: that immediately come to my mind as nose tackle types

1013
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 7: the Steelers could be interested in.

1014
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 6: So the biggest need for the team quarterback side is

1015
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 6: wide receiver. They probably need to add three of them

1016
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 6: in some capacity. We've talked to no end of the

1017
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 6: first rounders. Let's say they signed someone or trade for

1018
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 6: someone and are able to grab one of these defensive

1019
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 6: linemen in the first round, or safety or something else.

1020
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 6: What do you Most people seem to love the day

1021
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 6: two receivers as well. Who are your favorites you know

1022
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 6: that are probably gone in the top four.

1023
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 7: In the Indiana guys I like a lot. Yeah, is

1024
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 7: getting a lot more love just because he's a better athlete.

1025
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 7: But Elijah Surat over the last couple of years has

1026
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 7: been just so so so consistent. I know he struggles

1027
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 7: with separational be interesting to see how he tests as

1028
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 7: an athlete this week, but he wins in the subtle

1029
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 7: ways as well. He wins with his a diverse release package.

1030
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 7: He can win with the subtleties of how he is

1031
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 7: attacking cornerbacks getting of their blind spots, making them turn

1032
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 7: their hips one way knowing that he is going to

1033
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 7: break the other way. So I think he's just a

1034
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 7: really smart receiver in that regard. I mean, in the

1035
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 7: first round, I mean Casey Conceptsion, Denzel Boston, like, those

1036
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 7: are the guys that know.

1037
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: But you get a little bit further than that.

1038
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: Do you think they're both worth twenty one potentially?

1039
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 3: I think so?

1040
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1041
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 7: I think I'm I'm less convinced on Conceptsion just because

1042
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 7: the sample size is smaller because the last two years

1043
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 7: prior to this he was at NC State and he

1044
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 7: was used much more of like a cadget offensive player.

1045
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 7: This past year he was a lot better as a

1046
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 7: route runner, and he thought he showed a lot more

1047
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 7: in terms of like route running nuance and winning with

1048
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 7: nuance as much as his great athleticism. But yeah, I

1049
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 7: mean you keep going a little bit further down.

1050
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: I mean C. J.

1051
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 7: Daniels from Miami I think is a forgotten wide receiver

1052
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 7: in this class who I think is really talented.

1053
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: Uh, Chris Brassel.

1054
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 7: The second is somebody who if you want a vertical,

1055
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 7: stretching wide receiver, he gives me some Martevis Bryant vibes

1056
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 7: when he is at his best.

1057
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 6: The third analyst correlation, I thought amazing.

1058
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 3: I wrote that down.

1059
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 6: I wrote that they all stole from you.

1060
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 4: That's right.

1061
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 7: I wrote that calm down three months ago, and I

1062
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 7: thought I had something.

1063
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: So it makes me from you, though, mad.

1064
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 7: I'm mad that somebody beat me to it on a

1065
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 7: public forum, but I do like that. I think he's

1066
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 7: a good vertical stretching receiver. And then you're starting to

1067
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 7: get skuys like you know, Malchi Fields. I kind of

1068
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 7: it really depends on how they view DK metcalf right.

1069
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 7: If they view DK metcalf as more of that on

1070
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage outside the numbers x hype of

1071
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 7: a wide receiver, more doing, more contested. So if that's

1072
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 7: the way that they view it, then I think getting

1073
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 7: more of a flanker a z A Jeremy Bernard, an

1074
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 7: Omar Cooper Junior, a CJ. Daniels like all of a sudden,

1075
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 7: those guys, maybe even a Chris Brazil as well, sort

1076
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 7: of in that role. Those are the guys that you

1077
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 7: maybe gravitate towards. But if Mike McCarthy views DK Metcalf

1078
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 7: as maybe more of the guy that he wants as

1079
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 7: the move player as that flanker. Then you start talking

1080
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 7: about Malchi fields, you start talking about Ted Hurst potentially

1081
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 7: a little bit later from Georgia State. Somebody's got really

1082
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 7: good size and athleticism to him. So it just kind

1083
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 7: of depends really how they view DK Metcalf and what

1084
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 7: position they really want him to.

1085
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 6: Play there, and Boston would be more of an X

1086
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 6: and concepttion you own to be more.

1087
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: Of a Z.

1088
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 7: Yes, I do think so although Boston Boston moves better

1089
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 7: than I think people give him credit for. He's six

1090
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 7: to four, two hundred and ten pounds. I think because

1091
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 7: of that, people just go like, oh, on the live

1092
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 7: scrimmage outside the numbers, that's it. But Washington moved him

1093
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 7: inside to play a little bit in the slock of

1094
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 7: like how like Tampa uses with Mike Evans right where

1095
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 7: Michael move all around the field and you look at

1096
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 7: his size and you just think he's a contest catch guy,

1097
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 7: but he could be a little bit more for you.

1098
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 7: I think Boston is of that mold as well. So

1099
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 7: I think that Boston is actually the best receiver for

1100
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 7: them because of how much customization you could have outside

1101
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 7: of him.

1102
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we've had this discussion. I've brought this up

1103
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 3: to Matt many times. You know, people talking when George

1104
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 3: Pickens was there. Look at all the contested catches. I'd

1105
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 3: like to see some uncontested catches. I'd like to see

1106
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: some guys who are open, you know, and maybe they'll

1107
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 3: look for that. I guess my question about the wide

1108
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: receiver position. By the way, kudos to your buddy Dalton

1109
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 3: Wasserman who did a three round draft for talk about that.

1110
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 3: And I think that, unlike a lot of other things

1111
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 3: that I've seen, I think he's hit what I would

1112
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: currently view as the Steelers' needs. Uh it was a receiver,

1113
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: offensive lineman, cornerback. Now he did pop a quarterback and

1114
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 3: then he took a safety, which I think is sort

1115
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: of an underrating for the students.

1116
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 4: Uh nuts byer. Oh, okay, and and and the only cat.

1117
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you think he could be that guy, then

1118
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 3: then you gotta take him. But defense, attack would be

1119
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: the obvious one, and possibly even inside linebacker. But but

1120
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: you know, as Matt said, I keep saying, you know,

1121
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: this year, the Steelers knew, you knew they were gonna

1122
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 3: get three defensive linemen last year, whether it was free

1123
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 3: agency or the draft, and that's what they did. They

1124
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 3: even added a fourth and Otomo Woe who could wound

1125
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 3: up being useful for him?

1126
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 4: Is there?

1127
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 3: But to me last year, Harmon was the drop off guy.

1128
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: Like if you if Harmon, if the Bengals had taken Harmon,

1129
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: I don't know what the Steelers would have done. I

1130
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 3: doubt they would have taken a defensive lineman. Is there

1131
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 3: a clear cutoff point for you? At wide receiver? You

1132
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 3: would say, Okay, it's these five guys, that's it. If

1133
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: they're not there, Think about receiver in the second round.

1134
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 7: The cutoff might the cutoff might be Jordan Tyson, McKay, Lemon,

1135
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 7: Carnel Tate, Denzel Boston.

1136
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: That might actually be my cutoff there.

1137
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 7: And maybe I like Conceptsion, but I'm not as convinced

1138
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 7: on him as I am with the other guys.

1139
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 3: I really am, so I think that that's probably the caughtoff.

1140
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 7: If you told, if you wanted to argue me Conceptsion,

1141
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 7: we could probably get to a middle ground where I go, Okay, yeah,

1142
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 7: if you if you paint the picture for me of

1143
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 7: how you're going to use him in this offense and

1144
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 7: you're gonna be a lot because I thought that Roman

1145
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 7: Wilson was going to kind of be that guy for them,

1146
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 7: and I still like Roman Wilson, but I kind of

1147
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 7: felt like that was going on, that was their guy,

1148
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 7: but they didn't really lean into that very much. With

1149
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 7: the thought was very interesting. It kind of also depends

1150
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 7: on how different the offense is going to be, I

1151
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 7: think philosophically from a passing standpoint, because last year this

1152
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 7: team was number one in the NFL when it came

1153
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 7: to passes and targets to the running back position because

1154
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 7: they didn't feel like they could lean on really anybody

1155
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 7: other than DK Metcalf in the passing game consistently. So

1156
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 7: are they going to continue to be this more West Coast,

1157
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 7: low average depth of target type of a team, Because

1158
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 7: if you are, then I'd tell you, hey, draft Conceptsione

1159
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 7: because at least he'll be a high yak guy for you,

1160
00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 7: like you'll be able to get the ball in his

1161
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 7: hands and feel pretty good about it. And so if

1162
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 7: they're gonna be a little bit more of that, a

1163
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 7: little bit more of that kind of like methodical march

1164
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 7: down the field type of an offense with Rogers. If

1165
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 7: they end up bringing Rogers back, then all of a sudden,

1166
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 7: I think that. Okay, I feel good about that. I

1167
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 7: feel good about the value. Concepcion's kind of my guy there.

1168
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 7: But outside of that, I really think that cut offs

1169
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 7: more of those four wide receivers to here.

1170
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 6: Okay, last thing I have for you is Charles Grant

1171
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 6: from William and Mary last year. You know, I think

1172
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 6: the Steelers should be in the market for like a

1173
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 6: third round project tackle that's a year away that might

1174
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 6: need to get stronger, or is a small school kid.

1175
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 6: I know this is a tough I'm really narrowing it down.

1176
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 6: It doesn't have to be a small school kid, but

1177
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 6: maybe it's the second tackle at Miami. Or I think

1178
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 6: they're gonna need a left tackle a year from now,

1179
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 6: and maybe he's a guard this year at left guard,

1180
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 6: and then he moved to left tackle.

1181
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: I mean, by the way, it could be a right

1182
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: tackle and they moved out Ton to left tackle too.

1183
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 4: Right artist, I don't want to matter, must just stick

1184
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 4: with left tackle.

1185
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 6: I mean, my favorite Arizona State kid, but he's gonna

1186
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 6: be a first round pick. And I'm almost right you know,

1187
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 6: but that mold.

1188
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, when you were when you were saying that, I

1189
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 7: was thinking to myself, like, Okay, who are some day

1190
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 7: three picks that you might be able to take a

1191
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 7: flyer on who might.

1192
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 6: Be probably take him in the third round because it's

1193
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 6: a tackle, you know what I mean.

1194
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: That's true.

1195
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 6: You're not gonna get a fifth round or there. That projects.

1196
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 7: The two guys that came to my head immediately outside

1197
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 7: of the obvious ones are Dimitia's crown over from Texas A.

1198
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 6: Oh, I remember him Senior Bowl. I'm thinking that might

1199
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 6: be that guy.

1200
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 7: And that's the thing is that, you know, I didn't

1201
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 7: love his tape in twenty twenty four, though he was

1202
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 7: a little bit better last year, but even still there were.

1203
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: Some inconsistencies with him. But the Senior Bowl he was

1204
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: really good.

1205
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 7: He looked like a left that was That was the

1206
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 7: best I had seen from him, which got which was

1207
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 7: very encouraging because I think his build is great, his

1208
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 7: movement skills are greating. So that's a player who could

1209
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 7: be like a draft and maybe developed type of a guy.

1210
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 7: And then Emil Wagner is the other one. The offensive

1211
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 7: tackle from Notre Dame. So he is built really well.

1212
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 7: He's got great length to him. He was at the

1213
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 7: Shrine Bowl instead of the Senior Bowl, but he was

1214
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 7: one of the better offensive lineman really just better players

1215
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 7: overall at the Shrine Bowl. He's got two years of

1216
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 7: starting experience for Notre Dame. On that uh, that left

1217
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 7: side of the line.

1218
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: Was on the left side Notre Dame.

1219
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 6: I immediately think, can I just plug him in the

1220
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 6: guard and then move him to tackle?

1221
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you just assume he's well coached.

1222
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 7: And no, actually I think he played. I think he

1223
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 7: played right tackle for them this past season. But anyways,

1224
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 7: he's got the length, he's got the starting experience, but

1225
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 7: sometimes the footspeed's a little bit slow for him, but

1226
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 7: he uses that length really really well. And so this

1227
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 7: is another player who he's built like a tackle at

1228
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 7: the NFL level.

1229
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 3: Maybe a draft and develop him. Those are the two

1230
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: that immediately.

1231
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 7: Came to my mind as mid round like mid round

1232
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 7: offensive tackles the Steelers can take.

1233
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 2: Definitely looking into him.

1234
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 3: By the way, Trevor Sikama from PFF is our guest

1235
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: Matt's asked his last question, I only have nine more, Trevors. Yeah,

1236
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 3: I guess the one question because that I'm intrigued by

1237
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: this position for this year is I haven't seen a

1238
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 3: lot of people talk about it. That's why I was

1239
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 3: glad that the mock had them selecting his safety, because

1240
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: we don't know whether Jalen Ramsey.

1241
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 4: Is going to be moved to the slot.

1242
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 3: We don't know whether they want him to play a

1243
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: safety regardless, they're going to need a safety in the

1244
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: next couple of years, and whether that's free agency or

1245
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 3: the draft. I do know that it it feels like,

1246
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 3: you know, Kyle Hamilton emon worry last year, other guys.

1247
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 3: If you know it's a it's a trend league. Now,

1248
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: maybe those guys will be overvalued. But you know, the

1249
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: kid from Toledo, and again I'm not watching tape, I'm

1250
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: just looking at reviews. Strikes me as a guy that

1251
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 3: could maybe make something and they could use some more

1252
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 3: playmakers on the back end. Is it a deep safety draft?

1253
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 3: Will those guys be valued higher because of recent trends? Yeah,

1254
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 3: the guys succeeding in the NFL.

1255
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 7: I mean that might be the case what you just

1256
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 7: mentioned there, but it is it's a super deep safety draft.

1257
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 7: You know, I think that there's a world where seventy

1258
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 7: picks at the top one hundred or defensive players. Like

1259
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 7: I think we might get that many defensive players defensive

1260
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 7: and the reason why is.

1261
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 6: Because quarterbacks, well, very few running.

1262
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 7: Back aside from Aside from the offensive scarcity, you always

1263
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 7: have edge rushers, right, you typically always have some defensive

1264
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 7: tackles that'll be good. You know, that could be a

1265
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 7: deep that could be a deep group. You'll always have

1266
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 7: corners there. I feel like there's a million corners every

1267
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 7: single year. Linebacker and safety are really deep this year

1268
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 7: and that's rare, and that's pretty rare that we get one,

1269
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 7: if not both, of those positions where you just say, man,

1270
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 7: it's a defensive draft, even though it's not as star

1271
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 7: studies maybe some other drafts may have been. Like, those

1272
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 7: positions are really deep, So safety specifically, I mean you

1273
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 7: mentioned Emmanuel McNeil, Warren, the kid from Toledo, Dalan Dylan

1274
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 7: Thieneman from Oregon, like Caleb Downs obviously, but like you

1275
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 7: could even go further, Like I love aj Halsey from LSU.

1276
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 7: I think he's a fantastic strong safety, robber role player.

1277
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 7: Hits like a mack truck, moves really well for a

1278
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 7: player of his size. But then you start getting into

1279
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 7: the guys like you know, Camari Ramsey, Genesis Smith. Uh,

1280
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 7: just players that are that second or third round, but

1281
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 7: a Key Wheeley from Penn State. Like, there's just so

1282
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 7: many guys. It just is rare on what you want

1283
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 7: your safeties to do because kind of what you mentioned

1284
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 7: about the rise of safeties, it's it's not just the

1285
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 7: rise of safety talent, it's also the rise of like

1286
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 7: execution and realizing like, hey, this guy's more of a

1287
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 7: true cover one free safety. Okay, this guy's more of

1288
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 7: this robber roll strong safety. Okay, this guy's more of

1289
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 7: a box defender. Hey, this guy's more comfortable playing in

1290
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 7: the slot and in the overhang position. You like him

1291
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 7: a little bit more towards the line of scrimmage because

1292
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 7: he's bigger, He can rush for you, he can help

1293
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 7: in the run game very quickly, all that kinds of stuff.

1294
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 7: So I think it's a great year to get a safety.

1295
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 7: It just depends on what role you want them to play.

1296
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember the Deon Sanders commercial where Jerry

1297
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 3: Jones he's trying to choose between playing football or baseball,

1298
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: and Jerry Jones says, what's it gonna take Dion fifteen

1299
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 3: to twenty million? And he says both. So when you're

1300
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 3: describing this, I want both. And that's why the kid

1301
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 3: from Toledo, his scouting report jumped off at me because

1302
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 3: he looks like he can play free safety, but he

1303
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 3: looks like you can also drop him down in the box.

1304
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: And so now all of a sudden that just the

1305
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 3: versatility that allows you with your personnel is overwhelming us.

1306
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 6: And he feels anyone in the secondary has to be

1307
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 6: fast for me though. Team speed needs to be an

1308
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 6: issue with this team, no question.

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Speaker 7: And that's the player that you're gonna ask take him

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Speaker 7: at twenty one one. If yeah, he's not gonna last,

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Speaker 7: I think, yeah, theeneman is gonna have sneaky athleticism.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna test better than people think he's going to

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Speaker 3: here here in Indie sneaky athlete. Trevor, Thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: Trevor Sikhima from p f f our guests really appreciate man.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much at the time and the insight. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: all right, stick around. More still to come with Matt

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Speaker 3: Williamson as we continue on Stealers Nation Radio. Part of

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Speaker 3: this year there's audio network,