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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Jacomute.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 3: Ruben Tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's lucky. It's a Philly Show.

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Speaker 3: Hope everybody's doing well. It is Friday, May sixteenth, twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five. Jim, what's going on? Todam? I man just.

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Speaker 4: Getting ready for a big series. Phillies pirates looking forward

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Speaker 4: to seeing big Zach Wheeler take them mound on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: And hey, I'm a baseball fan. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 4: seeing Paul Sken's pitching Citizens Bank Park on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna be That's gonna be a fun one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I remember in spring training the Phillies were excited,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say excited, but they were looking

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Speaker 3: forward to Paul Skens facing them in a Grape Routleague

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Speaker 3: game in Clearwater at you know, at Bake Care Ballpark.

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Speaker 3: But then there was like rain in the forecast or

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Speaker 3: it was raining earlier in that day, so they know,

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Speaker 3: they said, Paul Skens is not coming up. It's a

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Speaker 3: clear water We're not gonna risk him slipping on a

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Speaker 3: get the face them, but they were looking forward to

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Speaker 3: it because as good they wanted to get a look

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Speaker 3: at him, thinking that hey, we might see him at

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Speaker 3: some point during the season, and lo and behold, this

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Speaker 3: will be their first time actually getting to face them

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Speaker 3: will be in the season. So it's kind of funny

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Speaker 3: how that stuff works out. But yeah, so let me

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Speaker 3: run by the pitching matchups real quick. It's Andrew Haney

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Speaker 3: in the series opener tonight. He's a lefty against Ranger Suarez,

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Speaker 3: who had a real nice start last weekend in Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Then it's Carmen Lazinski versus Zach Wheeler on Saturday. That's

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Speaker 3: a six to oh five start. And then of course,

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Speaker 3: like as we just said, Paul Skeins versus Christopher Sanchez

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Speaker 3: one thirty five start on Sunday, So you know, very

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Speaker 3: much looking forward to that. The Phillies lost their first

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Speaker 3: series since late April. This week it'll drop two or

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Speaker 3: on the winning side of things against the Pirates, who

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Speaker 3: they've got a lot of issues outside of Paul Paul Skiings.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they it's it's kind of sad, what's happened.

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Speaker 1: What's happened? Has been going on for a long time.

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Speaker 4: The level of ownership commitment in that town to baseball

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Speaker 4: is just not there. And I've seen it be a

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Speaker 4: good baseball town. I mean, there's chatter about what it

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Speaker 4: be wise to trade Paul Skins, and I find that

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Speaker 4: just sad. You drafted the picture and I don't think

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Speaker 4: they're gonna trade him by any means, but just the

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Speaker 4: fact that it's even in the in the discourses is sad.

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Speaker 4: You get a pillar like that, I think you build

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Speaker 4: around him, but it's it's an unfortunate situation over there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just knowing that it's like, well that you

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Speaker 3: got to win now because you're you only got like

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Speaker 3: five years left of Paul Skians, or now it's like

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Speaker 3: four and a half years left of Paul Skians. That

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Speaker 3: also is said if you're a Pirates fan, going our

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Speaker 3: window is literally this small, you know, if everything breaks right,

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Speaker 3: you know, So that that's kind of sad. Speaking of

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Speaker 3: good pitchers, Jim Andrew Painter pitch last night Thursday night

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Speaker 3: for Triple A Lee High Valley. It was the second

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Speaker 3: start for Lee High Valley. Pitched up in Syracuse. Five innings,

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Speaker 3: likes to know about his vl O. His vello was

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Speaker 3: sitting in the ninety six is ninety Seven's got a

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Speaker 3: Four seemer, five whiffs, curveball, five whiffs, cut her three whiffs,

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Speaker 3: you know, going to keep building, going to keep working.

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Speaker 3: And are we thinking July? Are still Jim?

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Speaker 4: That was It's funny you asked that because I've been thinking.

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Speaker 4: We had our little predictions right a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: and we've been clinging onto that quote from Dave NEBRASKI

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Speaker 4: July ish to be mid to late June. It could

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Speaker 4: be sometime in July. That's July ish, and I targeted

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Speaker 4: that first game in San Francisco. Do you have the schedule?

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Speaker 4: Was that July eight?

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Speaker 3: I want to say, I think you might be right.

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Speaker 3: That's a midweek series. Let me pull this schedule up

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Speaker 3: real quick. It's funny because you and I I remember this,

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Speaker 3: a weekend game in San Diego. So it's a July seventh, Okay,

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Speaker 3: series opener in San Francisco.

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Speaker 4: That's the game I was targeting because you know, I

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Speaker 4: Getting twenty five hundred miles away. Trust you know, it's

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Speaker 4: So it's gonna be banged out in Philadelphia when he

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Speaker 4: you know, ease a little bit of the hype and

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Speaker 4: the attention, let him get his feet wet, and then

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Speaker 3: So what was that again, the seventh, July seventh?

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Speaker 4: To question that now because and it's not because he's

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Speaker 3: And right?

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Speaker 4: But I guess I'll stick with that July seventh. I

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Speaker 4: But are you rethinking yours?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: Also, yeah, funny that you say that because he went

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Speaker 3: And you keep hearing about the innings limit, you know,

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Speaker 3: You're going, Okay, is he really going to go another month?

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Speaker 3: I am starting to wonder if, like, maybe it's June ish.

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Speaker 4: But even if he does another month of these five

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Speaker 4: So maybe the July ish is going to be more

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Speaker 1: And I mean you.

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Speaker 1: Is Nola going to get it turned around?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if I want to.

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Speaker 4: Go down that road, but right I'm starting to feel

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Speaker 4: like it my July seventh prediction.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a little little tardy.

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Speaker 3: You might be taking the under now at this point,

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Speaker 3: but yeah.

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Speaker 4: Because I'm gambling, man, I'm not now, Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: If you can't get down to the ballpark this weekend,

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Speaker 3: if people can't get down to the ballpark this week

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Speaker 3: and to see the Phillies Pirates play, you can stop

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Speaker 3: by my neck of the woods in Delco. I am

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Speaker 3: a Delco dad. Jim you are in Delco a lot.

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Speaker 3: I know you're in media a lot. You got your

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Speaker 3: media T shirt on right now?

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Speaker 4: I got my media t shirts. One of my kids

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Speaker 4: I threw it on today. Was there yesterday? Shout out

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Speaker 4: to my daughter Caroline graduating Widner University's program doctorate in

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Speaker 4: occupational therapy. Good job, Caroline worked really hard over there,

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Speaker 4: Widner in Delco.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. So yeah, Delco man, you know we've got everything, Jim.

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Speaker 3: You know this Delco. We got family fun, festivals, great

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Speaker 3: restaurants and bars, gardens, history, trails and outdoor activities. Take

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Speaker 3: it for me. I am a legit Delco dad, and

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Speaker 3: check it out for yourself this week in Jim, here's

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Speaker 3: a couple of things got to mention. This Saturday, the

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Speaker 3: newly Gristmill and Glen Mills is hosting a public archaeology

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Speaker 3: day play Indiana Jones with your kids from ten am

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Speaker 3: until three pm. It's free and open to the public.

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Speaker 3: Sunday May eighteenth, head out to Lynnvilla Orchards for their

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Speaker 3: annual antique car show from nine am until three pm.

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Speaker 3: You can see an outstanding display of spectacularly restored cars

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Speaker 3: and again no admission fee. So check that out.

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Speaker 4: Lynnvilla, Dude, Lynnvilla is awesome.

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Speaker 3: Linvilla, Great, Lynnville.

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Speaker 4: You come out August September best Sweet Gorn Gone.

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Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? I haven't been there.

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Speaker 3: We go there every fall.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you got to get their corn man.

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Speaker 3: Have some school field trips out at Lynnvilla. So find

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Speaker 3: a full list of events at visit Delco dot com.

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Speaker 3: They stay Delcos a lot and they're right and Jim,

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Speaker 3: We've got a special guest coming up right now. It

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Speaker 3: is Phillies infield coach Bobby Dickerson. And Bobby is always

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Speaker 3: a blast to talk to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited to talk to Bobby. A great conversation

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Speaker 4: with him. He is he's He's a real blend guy.

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Speaker 4: This guy is that he's hard nosed, old school, kind

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Speaker 4: of out of the John Vukovich, Larry Boa, mold matter

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Speaker 4: you can find him coaching young minor leaguers, coaching his kids,

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Speaker 4: listening to this guy. I've been an important part of

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Speaker 4: the Phillies and he's worked with some great ones. Manny Machado.

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Speaker 4: I think he's made Alec Bohm better here in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it should be a he's been

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Speaker 4: here for all three of their postseason runs, and Bobby's

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Speaker 4: of like I wonder, kind of a managerial candidate somewhere

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Speaker 4: sometime for me at least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this will be a lot of fun. So here

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Speaker 3: Philly show Man. How are you doing today.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. Appreciate you guys having me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem. So we're recording this Friday morning. It's

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Speaker 3: around nine o'clock. Phillies have a series opener Friday night

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Speaker 3: against the Pirates. I think first pitches at six forty five.

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Speaker 3: The coaches are always, you know, ridiculously hard workers, and

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Speaker 3: we know you're a hard worker. Can you give fans

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Speaker 3: an idea like what your day is like, especially for

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Speaker 3: a series opener, whether it's home or on the road.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you get to the ballpark, what's your

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Speaker 5: Well, we usually get there pretty early, like I'd say

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Speaker 5: between twelve and one. Sometimes, like Rob Thompson will get

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Speaker 6: So I watch you all the time, Bobby, especially in

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Speaker 4: Also, Bobby, when I look at this pitching staff, there's

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Speaker 5: Well, we'll start with Bom. You know, when Bom hit

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Speaker 1: And my argument is it just messes up the rhythm.

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Speaker 5: And he's a tremendous improvement. Well, we'd like to see

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Speaker 5: And I still think there's better years and in front

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Speaker 1: So that's something that we were conscious of.

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Speaker 1: To make sure he can register that.

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Speaker 7: So if you're a card collector, or you'd like to

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Speaker 7: Slab packs, which means that you can rip the packs

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Speaker 8: It's also the most trusted name in the game. And

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you don't need me grabbing your packs because last

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Speaker 9: So let's not have that. And that's why Arena Club

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Speaker 9: is great. They send them to you in these fancy

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Speaker 9: and they'll come safe. They're already graded. Or you could

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Speaker 3: Buy sell trade.

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Speaker 8: They offer full transparency, showing every card in the slab

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Speaker 8: pack with the likelihood of pulling each one, so you

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Speaker 3: Slash foul and use code foul.

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Speaker 2: We talked a little bit, Bobby about the difference.

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Speaker 6: be successful. Can you talk a little bit about that

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Speaker 6: as far as the difference between you know, Bryce and

436
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 6: Stott and you know Trey Turner or or even a

437
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 6: guy like Bryce Harper and and you know Alec Bowm.

438
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

439
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 5: You know that's one of the things that happens when

440
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 5: you're making that relationship happen. You really start to try

441
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 5: to figure out who the guy is, how am I

442
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 5: going to communicate with him? Evaluate the skill sets. When

443
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 5: you're doing a lot of the drill work, say this

444
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 5: is something he might not be able to do very well,

445
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 5: and why am I asking him do this.

446
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: You know why am I going.

447
00:21:54,000 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 5: To continue to ask you know, Balm to sprint to

448
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 5: his right to make a four you know, fourhand player

449
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 5: or something where you know he is a step slower

450
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 5: than say Aeronato or something.

451
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: So understanding that is big.

452
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 5: I mean like Trey for example, he's he's a Ferrari

453
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 5: on dirt, you know, like his wheels spin a lot.

454
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 5: You know, he's he's so quick sometimes that it causes

455
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 5: him to get out, get his body outside his feet.

456
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: And if you.

457
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 5: Think about a running back when he plants his foot

458
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 5: to hit the hole, there's a lot of energy exerted

459
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 5: into the ground and he pushes and he hits the hole.

460
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: Well, tray, sometimes.

461
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 5: That plant slips because he's more of a wide out

462
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 5: than a running back with his speed. So understanding that

463
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 5: probably puts Trey in a better place to make throws

464
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 5: on the run, to run around and not try to

465
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 5: set up every four feet, you know, go right and

466
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 5: set up, go left and set up like be more

467
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 5: of a freelance type one hand player type stuff like that,

468
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 5: and those things are you know, not that he would

469
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 5: not set up on a ball, just saying understanding those

470
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 5: would be easier for a guy like that maybe than

471
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 5: you know, saying it made me a Jeans Sagura or

472
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 5: something that was here before, more of a built, loaded

473
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 5: the ground, thick legged guy.

474
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: So they're just totally different.

475
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 5: And when it comes to Bryson, he's probably our most

476
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 5: true infielder.

477
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: You know, I believe he can go all over the

478
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: infield and play.

479
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 5: He plays like a quarterback like I talk about all

480
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 5: the time, like a Tom Brady.

481
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: He really thinks the game out there, which is neat.

482
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,959
Speaker 5: I love to talk the game with the guys, especially

483
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 5: in middle infielders, and Bryson is always doing that. You know,

484
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 5: he talks about what's what could he have done different?

485
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 5: Did he have a chance at doing this? Did he

486
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 5: have should he have done that? Felt like maybe he

487
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 5: was out of position? What I think should he have

488
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 5: been more in double play depth versus trying to play

489
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 5: the hitter.

490
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: You know, just all kinds of different things with Bryson.

491
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 5: But his his skill set allows him to do a

492
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 5: lot a lot of things. He can throw in a run,

493
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 5: and he can square up and set and stop his

494
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 5: body weight and not lose his body control.

495
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: He can dive. He's probably our best diver.

496
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 5: On the infield, he runs so low to the ground

497
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 5: when he when he's making extend employees.

498
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 1: That you know, it allows him to be more fluid

499
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: in his dive.

500
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 5: I mean sometimes he gets a little high, which causes

501
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 5: him some arm hurt, hurting his arm when he hits

502
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 5: the ground when he dies and stuff. But you know,

503
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 5: just a total different type player than Trey on the

504
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 5: infield and then Bryce, you know, I mean, this guy's amazing.

505
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 5: Just a little bit of time, he's been one of

506
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 5: the better first basemans in the league, and he knows

507
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 5: that there's still things that he can do.

508
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: A little bit better.

509
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 5: And he's got so much on his plate every day,

510
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 5: you know, with his swing and trying to get going

511
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 5: and hitting that sometimes we back off the defensive work

512
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 5: so he can get that.

513
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: Back going a little bit and he still plays great.

514
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 5: So knowing the work that he does when he when

515
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 5: he does put the work in with me when we're

516
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 5: out there, you know, I don't have a problem when

517
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 5: he misses his grounders and goes in the cage and

518
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 5: does his work. You know, we were still continue to

519
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 5: talk about, you know what what some of the plays

520
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 5: that might happen that night. I mean, like one thing,

521
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 5: I know, we missed a couple outs earlier in the

522
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 5: year on the on the throwover ball transferred throw to second.

523
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 5: And then yesterday or day before, Yesterdady had a great

524
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 5: one where we picked him off at first and his

525
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 5: transfer was quick and his throat was accurate. I mean

526
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 5: it was like looked like a middle infield and that

527
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 5: that's he's worked at. That, He's worked that in spring training,

528
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 5: he's worked at that year. So you know, I was

529
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 5: very pleased to see that with him. But all three

530
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 5: guys are I mean, all four guys are different, but

531
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 5: yet you know, I think as a group they're the same.

532
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 5: They're all driven to be a solid group. They do

533
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 5: take a lot of pride in it. Again and as

534
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 5: you said, with our pitching staff and everything, getting ground

535
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 5: balls and we try to try their best to be

536
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 5: prepared for it. Again, most of our guys, if you

537
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 5: think about it, you know, Bryce was probably the most

538
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 5: true infielder. Trey has always been a bat first infielder.

539
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 5: Baum was a bat first infielder coming out of college.

540
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 5: And I think these guys have done a great job

541
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 5: improving their game. And really, I mean we went to

542
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 5: the World Series of Bryce at shortstop, and now he's

543
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 5: at second base, and we won ninety five games with

544
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 5: him at second base, and Trey Turner won a World

545
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 5: Series at shortstop. So I mean, we got some pretty

546
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 5: talented guys that they're all different, but they're all pretty

547
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 5: talented in their own way.

548
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 4: Hey, Bobby, I wanted to ask you, like kind of

549
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 4: I'm curious stop you go to a World Series with

550
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 4: him at shortstop. He's been at second base for three years.

551
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 4: It's a different position.

552
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: After three years at.

553
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 4: Second base, if need ever arose, could he go back

554
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: and play shortstop? Can you get that back because shortstop

555
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 4: is so demanding after being away from it for three years.

556
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely he could.

557
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 5: It's it's basically the throw is the biggest thing, you

558
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 5: know that he would have to get his timing of

559
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 5: his throwback to get rid of the ball a little quicker.

560
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 5: And just I have him go over every once in

561
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 5: a while. He likes to go over to the left

562
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 5: side now just for throwing purposes. To throw long throws

563
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 5: across the infield second base, you could lose your arm

564
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 5: pretty quickly, you know, So he does. He does holds

565
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 5: up on a on his pivots, though he really tries

566
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 5: to use his arm strength. We're trying to we're trying

567
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 5: to improve his quickness and his transfer and gaining some

568
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 5: ground towards the throw.

569
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: As he's receiving throw, gained some ground towards it to

570
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: help his timing.

571
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 5: But you know, he does show his arm strength off

572
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 5: with that, and we try to make sure we keep

573
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 5: his arm strength.

574
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: He could definitely go back.

575
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 3: And Bobby, I love the description of Trey as a

576
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 3: Ferrari on the dirt. I mean, that's that's great, and

577
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: it sounds to me like you believe that he could

578
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: stay at shortstop for a while. You know, you had

579
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: mentioned to talk about other teams maybe moving the center

580
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: fields come up here as well, but you could see

581
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 3: him sticking that shortstop for a while.

582
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

583
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 5: You know what happens to people whenever you watch in

584
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 5: your same team or like a coach. I have my

585
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 5: four guys and we see them every day. We pop

586
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 5: every pimple they have, what they do wrong, we see it.

587
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: And see it and see it.

588
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 5: We don't see what's going on with Voltpi. We don't

589
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 5: see what's going on with any other guy in the league.

590
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 5: And there's been plays that I've seen throughout the league

591
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 5: that if Trey with them made him or not made

592
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 5: them as I saw, he would get unjustly killed in

593
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 5: my opinion. Like it's a demanding position. We talk about it.

594
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 5: There's a lot of things that take place there, and

595
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 5: you could have a game where you make two airs

596
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 5: or three errors and that hangs over you for a

597
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 5: month as far as your numbers, and if you think

598
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 5: about it. He had a real bad game in Chicago

599
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 5: the other day after making two really great plays and

600
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 5: then he made two plays that weren't so great. It's

601
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 5: twenty five degrees out there that day. And then he

602
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 5: bounced back and he played solid for like fourteen straight

603
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 5: days where turned the double plays, he made, all the plays,

604
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 5: he made a couple of back end plays and old

605
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 5: So you know, I always ask myself, we won ninety

606
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 5: five games, we have won five more games?

607
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: Is trade?

608
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 5: What in our shortstop? We've won ten more games? Would

609
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 5: we have lost ten more games? I mean, who knows?

610
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 5: We like to say things. You know, Oh, maybe somebody

611
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 5: else would have made that player. Somebody else might not. Well,

612
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 5: maybe somebody else wouldn't scored as many runs as him.

613
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 5: Like my point is we are the Phillies and he

614
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 5: is our shortstop. And I'm you know, I think he

615
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 5: can stay there. I mean, he's locked in to being

616
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 5: better at it. And for me, when you have the

617
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 5: work ethic and the aptitude, you can accomplish a lot

618
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 5: of stuff. And his body is not getting old, like

619
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: We've got that unique body that's not aging fast. So

620
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 5: I believe he can stay there. I believe he's going

621
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 5: to continue to improve there. I wish I had met

622
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 5: him when he was eighteen because a lot of these

623
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 5: things that we are working on now would be behind us.

624
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: So but I do believe he can stay there. You know.

625
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: But Bobby, I the way you talk about Trey is

626
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: why I like watching you hit fungos of the infielders,

627
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: because you have such a unique way of talking to them.

628
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: You you you like you pump them up, but you

629
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: also how would but but you also will point out

630
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: the mistakes that they made when you're when you're hitting

631
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: them the fungos. How would you describe your style and

632
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 3: how do you make it work? Because we just talked

633
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: about different personalities, Boem's different than Stott's, Stat's different than Bryce.

634
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: Bryce is different than Trey but all these guys when

635
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: we talk to them about you, they kind of like

636
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: they have a little smile on their face. They have

637
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: a little, you know, twinkle in their eye when they

638
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: talk about, you know, their session that they just had

639
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: with you, or the time they spent with you on

640
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: the field before a game.

641
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: You know.

642
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 5: Again, I don't really know rubs as coach guys. It's

643
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 5: it's I think the most important thing is.

644
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: My style is myself.

645
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 5: Like, I just make sure when I go out there

646
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 5: to work with a guy, I'm myself.

647
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: I try my best to think of each guy like

648
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: my son.

649
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 5: I try to think, Okay, if this was my son

650
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 5: and he's about to get released or he's about to

651
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 5: get a twenty million dollar contract or whatever, like, where

652
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 5: would he be how would I be treating him?

653
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: What?

654
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: You know?

655
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 5: I try to have fun with it. I try to

656
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 5: be straightforward with what we need to work on. But

657
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 5: I also will never forget how hard this is. Look,

658
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 5: I never played in the big leagues. I played the

659
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 5: Triple A. I talk about it all the time and

660
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 5: make fun of myself. When the guys make a play

661
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 5: at nine o'clock at night, I tell him at one

662
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 5: o'clock I could do anything with the glove. I could

663
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 5: throw ball. Oh my god, I was so good. But

664
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 5: at seven o'clock I got bad, and at nine o'clock

665
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 5: I got worse. The more pressure in the game, the

666
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 5: more I got worse. So that's a real thing. I

667
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 5: mean infield in I'd catch it and looked and he's

668
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 5: running home. I'd throw it up the backstop.

669
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: It just was real.

670
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 5: Like you know, guys don't understand how how much strength

671
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 5: that takes to play within that comfort zone with energy

672
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 5: but also not feel the pressure of thirty thousand, forty

673
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 5: thousand people and TV people and everything. Knowing you got

674
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 5: to answer a question. Football goes through your legs, you

675
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 5: know everything that maybe I overthought it when I played,

676
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 5: but I try to I try to poke fun at

677
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 5: that with him and let him know that, you know what,

678
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 5: the best of the best of the best make mistakes,

679
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 5: but I'm going to tell you about it when you do,

680
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 5: and we're going to try to get better at it.

681
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

682
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 4: It is great stuff.

683
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to be labor trade.

684
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 4: But you said something interesting that you wish you had

685
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 4: him when he was eighteen. What's the one thing you

686
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 4: want to focus on. If you had him when he

687
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 4: was eighteen.

688
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: Well, it would have been more about footwork early on.

689
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 5: He's such a fast player and he probably was even

690
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 5: faster than so he's going to be out of control

691
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 5: a lot more than a lot of players if.

692
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: You think about it, like.

693
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 5: I call it playing on skates, Like if you can

694
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 5: imagine someone out there on skates and you're hitting ground

695
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 5: balls to them, their feet are so fast and early on,

696
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 5: early on in life, we would have attacked that. I

697
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 5: would have attacked that a little bit more. Try to

698
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 5: get efficient footwork versus fast footwork basically, and that's what

699
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 5: we're trying to do now. Like you know, you could

700
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 5: go to get a ground ball four feet to you're

701
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 5: right and take two steps to it, or you could

702
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 5: take fifteen steps to it and shoff your feet and

703
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 5: kick dirt. And if you can picture that, that's what

704
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: a lot of young infielders do wrong. In my opinion,

705
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 5: the ball's right there, ready to be caught. It's it's

706
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 5: maybe one crossover and a square up and then it's there.

707
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 5: But the feet starts shuffling, dirt starts flying, they work

708
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 5: around it, and before you know what, the ball is

709
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 5: over all over their body and they got to they

710
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 5: have a collision hop like they don't get a short

711
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 5: hop or a long hop.

712
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: They haven't worked the hop.

713
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 5: And I think some of those things are some of

714
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 5: the things we would have I would have definitely attacked

715
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 5: with Tray early on. Really really try to slow his

716
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 5: feet down to be more efficient with his footwork instead

717
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 5: of fast with his footwork. And we're doing that now

718
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 5: and then at times he sets back on balls. Now

719
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 5: that it's gonna be it's gonna be growing pains. That

720
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 5: would have happened at seventeen, eighteen twenty one.

721
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: You know. Some of the things he's learning about finding

722
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: hops and things.

723
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 4: Is that, like the old John Wooden line, do it

724
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: quickly but don't rush.

725
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 5: That's a great line. That's that's the hard part. Who

726
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 5: can do that?

727
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 4: That's it's a difference in.

728
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's Bryce Harper with the bases loaded in

729
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 5: the World Series. When he's at his best, it's it's

730
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 5: just chill. You know, we're all biting our nails and

731
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 5: hearts jumping out our tests and it's just it's just

732
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 5: you know, putting gas in the car.

733
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: To him, it's like nothing, you know's and I wish

734
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: I could bottle that.

735
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 5: I wish I could like give it in everybody a

736
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 5: glow glass of water with it in it every day.

737
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 5: I wish I could give it to my son. I

738
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 5: wish I could give it to all the minor leaguers

739
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 5: and and uh, you'd see a lot of players be

740
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 5: a lot better. You know, so many talented players in

741
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 5: the minor leagues and in high school and college that

742
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 5: that never get that, and they never make it because

743
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 5: they never get that.

744
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I was kind of curious just anybody.

745
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 6: I'd like to ask this question a lot, anybody in

746
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 6: particular that influenced the way you coach, when the way

747
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 6: you interact with the players. Is this just you or

748
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 6: have you had other mentors that have helped you sort

749
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 6: of work your way through this process.

750
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 5: Well, I think we're a product of a lot of

751
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 5: people that touch us in our lives. You know, Like

752
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 5: I learned so much about the game from Buck Show Walter,

753
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 5: I mean so much about the game, But I would

754
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 5: not say he ever really coached me or like hit me.

755
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 5: You know, he hit me grounders, but he didn't really

756
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 5: coach me. I learned the ins and outs. It's why

757
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 5: you play infield in why you did you know all

758
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 5: those type of things. But Brian Butterfield was, you know,

759
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 5: my coach. I mean, he coached me. He made it fun.

760
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 5: I can remember taking grounders when I first signed and

761
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 5: went to ony Ona, New York, and he was hitting

762
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 5: me grounders and it was just it was just like

763
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 5: my little fifteen minutes spiel. Now it was my best

764
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 5: time of the day. Then it was just I was

765
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 5: the one getting the ground balls and having Butter challenge

766
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 5: me and praise me, and he was amazing.

767
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had Butter as a as a coach mate.

768
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: He was the best man. He was one of the

769
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: best I've ever seen. And I really I gotta tell you.

770
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 10: I'm not saying because you're on our show, but I

771
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 10: really love the way you talk. You're as close to

772
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 10: someone who articulates and works with their imfielders as my

773
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 10: dad was, and obviously have a great deal of respect

774
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 10: for my father and what he did as a as

775
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 10: an infield instructor and an imfielder. So I just wanted

776
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 10: to mention that as well.

777
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I appreciate that.

778
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: And you mentioned Buck after Alec had that tough night

779
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 4: a few years ago. Against the Mets, who were managed

780
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: by Buck. We were in city field about two weeks

781
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 4: later and I was talking a Buck and he was

782
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 4: bringing up home and he's like, that kid's a good player.

783
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: He's going to be fine because Bobby's going to get

784
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 4: him right. You watch, Bobby will get him right. Buck

785
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: Showalters told me that I used it in a story.

786
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 4: I think he thinks very highly. If I could just

787
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 4: shift to another young player who I'm just we're all

788
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 4: really curious about. You've got a pretty good look at

789
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 4: in spring training. Is that Aiden Miller? Another infielder? What

790
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 4: did you think of him?

791
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 5: I mean, I shoot, I mean he's a stud. I

792
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 5: mean the question is can he stay at shortstop? And

793
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 5: I say, yes he can.

794
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: He's different.

795
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 5: He's the guy I talk about like a jeans of gur.

796
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 5: He's got those thick legs. He's going to be in

797
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 5: the ground a lot different than Trey. He's not going

798
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 5: to be peeling out. He's not going to be a

799
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 5: Ferrari on Thert. You're going to see his moves be efficient.

800
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 5: As he develops. He's going to play it like a

801
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 5: Kyle Ripken or like a Seeger. I mean, I compare

802
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 5: him with Seger over there in Texas, and he's he's

803
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 5: got a chance. He's got the arm to stay there,

804
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 5: he's got the feet to stay there, the quickness.

805
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: To stay there.

806
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 5: So yeah, no question, I think he's got a chance

807
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 5: to be a really solid Major league infielder.

808
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: Bobby, you mentioned your son, and just you know all

809
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: sorts of players coming up. You will be in these

810
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: coaches clinics at the ballpark sometimes on Sunday mornings. You

811
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: have a lot of kids come on the field. I'm

812
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: sure you know your kids growing up, Little league and

813
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: all that stuff. We have a lot of parents that

814
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: listen to this show. I've got a nine year old son.

815
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: What is there something that you see with young players

816
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: that you wish? Oh my gosh, if I could just

817
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: send this message out to everybody to kids trying to

818
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: learn how to catch a ground ball. You know, one

819
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 3: thing I hear on the little league field is butt down,

820
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: Get your butt down, and then they're sitting on the ground.

821
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: Is there anything that you would say to parents out

822
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: there or coaches that are listening about just getting a

823
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: young kid to field ground ball better. I don't know that.

824
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not it's not one thing.

825
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 5: But I'll say first and foremost is it's it's gotta

826
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 5: be fun. It cannot feel like like when you're out

827
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 5: there working on fundamentals or anything like that. It can't

828
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 5: be work. It's it's a game. It's gotta be fun.

829
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 5: Or you look, you lose so many kids, you know,

830
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 5: they'll they'll just shut down on it. But the one

831
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 5: thing I preach and I talk about it all the

832
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 5: time that even our guys just catch.

833
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: The ball right, don't field the ball.

834
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 5: There's a connotation in your mind when you think of fielding,

835
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 5: what it looks like, right, if that's exactly right.

836
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: So if a pop up is hit to you, what

837
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: do you do to a pop up? You catch it?

838
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: What do you do to a line drive?

839
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 5: Cat throws the ball back to the picture, catches it,

840
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 5: pitcher throws it. The catcher he catches, he throws the first. Now,

841
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 5: as soon as the ball is on the ground right,

842
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 5: we are minds says field it right. And there's a

843
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 5: connotation that goes with it. A body movement, all these

844
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 5: things that are unnecessary, all these different things that are moving.

845
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 5: So you'll see, like Trey made a backhand catch day

846
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 5: before yesterday in the game. And if you if you

847
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 5: watch that, it was like maybe two feet to his right.

848
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 5: And especially nowadays with the fields, how much nicer they are.

849
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 5: Maybe thirty years ago, you have to work around and

850
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 5: get in front of that, the ball might bounce.

851
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: Up and hit you in the chest.

852
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 5: All those things well, especially now, but the gloves have

853
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 5: been the gloves are like perfect now, all the technology,

854
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 5: the field, everything.

855
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: So all Trey did was to take a little half.

856
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 5: Step over and he put his backhand down there, and

857
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 5: he killed the short hop and he stood up and

858
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 5: threw him out like he took one half step, made

859
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 5: the right move, caught the short hop and if you

860
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 5: look at it, he caught that ball just like he

861
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 5: would be catching a line drive right. And then the

862
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 5: other thing we talk about, oh I don't want him

863
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 5: to backhand the ball, Well, the backhand is.

864
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: The easiest catch to make. You backhand every catch you make.

865
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 5: Think about it when the catcher, when the catcher's catching

866
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 5: a throw from a pitcher, he's backhanding the ball right.

867
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 5: His glove is turned with his thumb down. But when

868
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 5: we go to teach an infield or backhand, we teach

869
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 5: them to field the backhand, so they have that retreating

870
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 5: move with their hand and it gets booted, yes, it

871
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 5: gets booted it and it runs up their arm and

872
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 5: it goes underneath their glove. There's a retreating action of

873
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 5: their glove, which it doesn't exist in anything else that

874
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 5: is caught. It's going to pop up. Your glove goes

875
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 5: towards it a little bit. Catcher catches a fastball, the

876
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 5: glove's moving towards it a little bit. And then we

877
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 5: go field a ground ball. We want the glove that

878
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 5: we in our mind picture the glove is moving away

879
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 5: from the ball a little bit, funneling, retreating, and if

880
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 5: you do that, the timing has to be impeccable. Are

881
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 5: you going to miss that ball? So, I mean, that's

882
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 5: a whole lot on one thing. But make it fun

883
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 5: and preach catch the ball the same as you do

884
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 5: when the ball is in the air and everywhere else.

885
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 5: Just try to find hops to catch you.

886
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 3: I've heard I've heard you say, people say, you know,

887
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: catch it like an egg. And I've heard you say,

888
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 3: it's not an egg.

889
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: It's not an it's your teeth when they get knocked out.

890
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: It ain't an egg.

891
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 4: As a as a former, as a former shitty infielder.

892
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 4: I find this stuff fascinating. And and you're right, catcher

893
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: catches every ball backhand.

894
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it.

895
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 4: I remember having conversations with Ryan Sandberg, and he was

896
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 4: like a contradiction because.

897
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: He used to say, used to push the ball right.

898
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: He used to say, get soft. You know, you couldn't

899
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: feel to get soft. But when you watched Ryan Sandberg play,

900
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 4: he he caught the ball like you want him to.

901
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 4: He almost jabbed at it at second, jab at it.

902
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 4: He went out and he went out and caught that ball.

903
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 4: He was like a contradiction, you know.

904
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: And he did it to the tune of being well.

905
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: In Chicago.

906
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 5: I got and and I was doing the same sel

907
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 5: I did I do here.

908
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: I was doing it in Chicago in the minor leagues.

909
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 5: And I go to big league camp and he and

910
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 5: I hit it off right away, and I would pick

911
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 5: on him and like I do the players, but I

912
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 5: would say it to him, and I think he started saying, damn,

913
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 5: you're a good infield coach. And he started noticing like

914
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 5: he was a great infielder, nine gold gloves. Some of

915
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 5: the things he was doing. Maybe he didn't even technique

916
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 5: necessarily register at the time, but he did.

917
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: He pushed through the ball. There was a small I

918
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,959
Speaker 1: call it kill it. You got to kill the hop.

919
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 5: You can't retreat with the hop, you know, And and

920
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 5: I'm not saying sometimes your glove doesn't have to retreat

921
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 5: and certain, but the more you can avoid retreating, the

922
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 5: better off you are.

923
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: I see Bom doing that all the time. He's out

924
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 4: in front of that ball. He's out going and getting it.

925
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: Yes, he's got one of the things.

926
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 5: He's slow footed, right, he doesn't have a lot, but

927
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 5: he does have a lot of wingspan he has.

928
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: He has lymps, I call it.

929
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 5: So his ability to get to a short hop is

930
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 5: better than now us, say a whole Ramirez in in Cleveland.

931
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 5: He'll have to do it with his feet, where Bomb's

932
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 5: feet doesn't have to move as quick because he can

933
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 5: get to that hop with his reach. His arm is longer,

934
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 5: his body is longer. So you know, I had Manny

935
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 5: Machado and that is a lot like that. That that

936
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 5: reach and that less allows them maybe a little less

937
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 5: footwork needed to get to hops because they can reach

938
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 5: and get there.

939
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 4: And infield has gutten so tough, I think, especially on

940
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 4: the left side of the diamond. Because these exit velocities

941
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: are crazy. They gotta be more than you know, I

942
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 4: mean the average exsit velocities. These days, the balls are harder,

943
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 4: the bats are harder. These balls are flying at these

944
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 4: guys like missiles.

945
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, it's it's but like I said, the

946
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 5: one advantage this happens now we play on.

947
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: A manicured field.

948
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 5: I mean, these these fields are you know, every three

949
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 5: innings they get drug again. They may get all the

950
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 5: cleatholes out of the way. And Bo and I talk

951
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 5: about all the time that stuff that bull was playing on,

952
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 5: you know sand, and soon as soon as a guy

953
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 5: got on second base one time, you basically were playing

954
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 5: good luck, you know. So it becomes it was a

955
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 5: little bit more of a fistfight, more of a an

956
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 5: infielder had a little had to have a little more

957
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 5: grit versus necessarily necessary technique.

958
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: I would say you could.

959
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 5: You could do a lot more technique stuff now because

960
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 5: the field cooperates the hops, everything's more consistent, and you

961
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 5: it stands out like a sore thumb when you see

962
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 5: a bad hop. Now it just jumps out at you

963
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 5: know where that was happening so much thirty years ago.

964
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 3: So that's awesome.

965
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: I remember stuff.

966
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great, great, Bobby, I just want to mention

967
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: real quick like I do. Remember in spring training you

968
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: were working with Kyle Schwarber at first base and he said,

969
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 3: how's it going. He goes, well, I said the word

970
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: field the ball, and Bobby immediately said, I don't want

971
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: to hear that word again. You catch the ball. You

972
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 3: catch the ball, you don't feel it. And that was

973
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 3: great because he said it with this mile on his face,

974
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 3: so he was having fun out there.

975
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 5: So yeah, semantics right, people, Oh man, what are you doing? No,

976
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 5: but it does give you a cond of in your

977
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 5: brain right as soon as as soon as you say,

978
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 5: feel your brain as a visual of what that looks like.

979
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 5: And I'm trying to get the guys not to look

980
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 5: like that, to not try to reproduce that.

981
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: I want them to hunt hops.

982
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 5: I want them to hunt short hops and long hops,

983
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 5: use their feet to get to them. And then ball security.

984
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 5: You know, once we got ball security, then don't drop

985
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 5: it and throw it accurately. It's pretty stupidly simple. But

986
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 5: like find up, find a hop, man, let's go to

987
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 5: make a lot of money if you can live in

988
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 5: the short hop world for sure.

989
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: I love it. Well, Bobby, thanks a lot for the time.

990
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: Man.

991
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: We love like we We just love hearing you talk

992
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: and talking and field and thanks for all the insight.

993
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: We appreciate it.

994
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you, Bob. All right, all right,