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Speaker 4: We have competition.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: You can listen to us or listen to macarthy.
Speaker 2: Oh, we're much more exciting to us.
Speaker 3: And we'll let you know what McCarthy. You say. Yes, Okay.
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, I've got a scout listening.
Speaker 3: For Okay, very good.
Speaker 4: I just got to remember to keep my phone.
Speaker 3: Close, okay, and ate and Frisco hopeful lines.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hope, please day we need you today. We gotta
Speaker 5: we gotta beat McCarthy man.
Speaker 3: Okay, I tried to listen behind enemy lines this morning,
Speaker 3: and in Detroit, they aren't talking about the Lions. They're
Speaker 3: talking about a baseball team up there.
Speaker 4: I noticed that when I tried to call up the
Speaker 4: Detroit Free Press, and I said, well, let me see
Speaker 4: what's going on with the Lions. In the first five
Speaker 4: or six or seven stories in the list was all baseball.
Speaker 3: The Lions are coming off of bye week, and so
Speaker 3: they're getting healthier, of course, and just in time for
Speaker 3: the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: And I shouldn't and I'm not throwing them under the
Speaker 4: bus because this morning's Dallas Morning News, the addition I
Speaker 4: got at home, it was not a Cowboys story in it.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine?
Speaker 3: No way, I gotta go.
Speaker 2: We must have won the game.
Speaker 4: You gotta call You got to call up the newspaper
Speaker 4: edition or not their online stuff, because you can go
Speaker 4: online and hit Cowboys. It'll have stories that are up there,
Speaker 4: but they weren't in my paper. How about that?
Speaker 3: How about that Mickey still reads everywhere?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That also is this?
Speaker 4: Is this a newspaper you get at home or at home?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You actually they still deliver free. Yes, really, how
Speaker 3: many does a paper boy.
Speaker 4: In a car not on a bicycle.
Speaker 3: I was the last. I was the last person on
Speaker 3: my block to get newspapers, and that ended probably with COVID,
Speaker 3: maybe sometime in the last three or four years.
Speaker 4: I'm the only one.
Speaker 3: I guarantee you. I guarantee you are probably for the
Speaker 3: you know you.
Speaker 2: Get the little you know output whatever you call them,
Speaker 2: you know, a little the little shark weekly things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I get those all the time. I use
Speaker 5: those to help pick up my dog's stuff, which.
Speaker 3: Is the same thing you used to do in the
Speaker 3: morning and the Times eld Mickey back when you were playing.
Speaker 5: Mickey's article alone. Take a separate Mickey's article.
Speaker 4: You take the little plastic bag it comes in, and
Speaker 4: that's what you pick up your.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I put the plastic article, Mickey.
Speaker 3: The plastic bag had some value to it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna save that for something.
Speaker 3: This article has no value to it.
Speaker 2: That's how that goes.
Speaker 4: And you were and you were worse for it too.
Speaker 2: For so last night, Yes, I went to the fair,
Speaker 2: Did you really? I did?
Speaker 3: Okay, I've been going Saturday.
Speaker 2: You've been going Saturday. Well, yeah, you're going for the game,
Speaker 2: that's right, Yeah, by yourself?
Speaker 4: Are you working or sitting in the stands?
Speaker 3: I'm not working and I'm not sitting sweet big time.
Speaker 2: He hated. He hated to admit that people. He's special.
Speaker 2: He's special.
Speaker 3: No, No, I technically am working. That's how I'm getting
Speaker 3: into this. They can smell fresh cash.
Speaker 4: Should be walking the side, and no, I got family
Speaker 4: coming in for the game.
Speaker 5: What's your what's your what's your what's your deal? What's
Speaker 5: your your? You mean culinary option?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm not standing in the line to get
Speaker 3: the tickets for the whatever at the fair.
Speaker 5: But uh, dude, you are really a kept man on you.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you get coupon so you don't have to
Speaker 2: buy coupon.
Speaker 4: You get your corny dog.
Speaker 5: Oh man, got I spent one hundred dollars in coupons
Speaker 5: last night this.
Speaker 3: So what's your culinary taste?
Speaker 5: I ended up with the guy. We had we shared
Speaker 5: so much stuff. I ended up with the crawfish pies. Okay,
Speaker 5: three of those for twenty bucks?
Speaker 2: Oh mind?
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, mine is wherever the shortest line is on side.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you go before or after.
Speaker 2: Before the game? You go?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the whole that's the whole dealt atmosphere.
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm after I may just I may, you know,
Speaker 3: see the bands come into the stadium, then you know,
Speaker 3: see my family, and then I may go home watch
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 2: Also watch the pickled pizza.
Speaker 4: Pickle pizza.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you mean with it's a pickled pizza.
Speaker 4: Instead of pepperoni, it's pickles, pickles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, delicious?
Speaker 4: You ate it.
Speaker 2: I did it.
Speaker 5: You know, we shared, but yeah, it was good. I'm
Speaker 5: trying to think of everything.
Speaker 4: That might be as bad as putting pineapple pizza.
Speaker 2: The pineapple came with the ice cream.
Speaker 5: Oh, okay, that's fine, with to heenan pizza with to.
Speaker 2: Heen uh sprinkles on that. Okay, Yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 4: I want to know who had State Fair talk twice
Speaker 4: in a day on their Bingo card. This morning we
Speaker 4: talked the same thing.
Speaker 3: That's because it's the biggest week of the year. This
Speaker 3: is the biggest week of the Year's producer supreme no
Speaker 3: Isaiah Standbach went to the fair.
Speaker 2: You saw him, I saw the whole family. Did you
Speaker 2: see what he won? No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: He wear So he goes every year and he wins
Speaker 4: his daughter a big probably the biggest fluffy you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And guess what. Guess what hanging around her bed football?
Speaker 2: It was throwing a football in a basket. That's how
Speaker 2: every year he does that.
Speaker 5: And you know, I was thinking because I passed by
Speaker 5: the basketball hoop and of course you know that's probably big.
Speaker 2: It's really yeah, but I'm pretty sure if you get
Speaker 2: a good hoop still over there.
Speaker 3: You know he did the football to good hooster.
Speaker 2: What do you mean he anyone? He taker?
Speaker 5: I'll take her, give her that would be even better.
Speaker 4: Will they give her a smaller ball?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna what do we have? But what's Dallas wing? Wings?
Speaker 3: Wings?
Speaker 2: Get her?
Speaker 3: Uh huh yeah, or get care or you can get.
Speaker 5: They could take them, they can take them. I could
Speaker 5: just see them right now. I think it's actually higher,
Speaker 5: and it's it's the hoop is smaller.
Speaker 2: I think that. I think it's higher.
Speaker 3: Of the certainly aren't very forgiving rems.
Speaker 5: You could get the hoops over there and he or
Speaker 5: she all the ball was bigger, probably, but as long
Speaker 5: as they can legally go through it, you can.
Speaker 2: Get someone to do.
Speaker 4: Just like Isaiah, you're not hitting like the old milk
Speaker 4: cartons off the No.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think backboard could help at all. You
Speaker 2: gotta go straight in and it could be done.
Speaker 3: It could be what happens for me. I said that
Speaker 3: I get into the fair with my media pass whatever.
Speaker 3: But usually what happens, especially in a year like this year,
Speaker 3: when Oklahoma is a fourteen point underdog in this game,
Speaker 3: I'm going to have an old college fraternity brother who's
Speaker 3: going to have tickets that he'll text me. One of
Speaker 3: them will text me on Friday, say, hey, you want
Speaker 3: to go to the game. I got two tickets. Come
Speaker 3: drive by my house.
Speaker 2: What's your friend? What's your friend?
Speaker 3: Signifysel oh, go ahead, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah right fraternity.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But you know what I have found out? You are
Speaker 5: a man of you an onion layers. I did not
Speaker 5: know this.
Speaker 3: You have you don't want. In college, I had a roommate.
Speaker 3: I had a piranhum.
Speaker 2: Chris so that I had a pirana. I didn't have
Speaker 2: a piranha. My roommate did. It was past stories. You
Speaker 2: just had colorful friends. I didn't know. Say that one.
Speaker 3: On Friday we'd go get goldfish for the piranha.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 4: Man like at the store.
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I did go to the fair and
Speaker 5: win it.
Speaker 2: I never see it coming.
Speaker 4: So you came with one of them little.
Speaker 2: I didn't do it.
Speaker 3: This my roommate did it.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I wonder what was wrong with your friends?
Speaker 2: Now I realize.
Speaker 3: Okay, they're come through in the clutch now though, because
Speaker 3: I'll occasionally get in U Texas ticket front.
Speaker 2: So I'm talking about it.
Speaker 3: Well, that that works.
Speaker 4: He's grown up now.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: Okay to bring it. Well, you don't know what's going
Speaker 3: on because McCarthy's talking to the media right now.
Speaker 4: That's right, and you'll probably be giving an injury update,
Speaker 4: although Stephen Jones gave a little bit of one.
Speaker 3: Specifically speaking, it sounded.
Speaker 4: Like that they were going to get doron Bland practicing
Speaker 4: and we'll see where that goes. Like a chance to play.
Speaker 4: I heard I hadn't played football since. Trying to think
Speaker 4: he got I think it was the end of August, right,
Speaker 4: it was before the season started.
Speaker 2: It was season.
Speaker 4: He limped out of practice.
Speaker 3: In August twenty second.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we were still in California.
Speaker 3: There you go, August twenty second.
Speaker 4: So that's how many weeks. Well, four five, six weeks
Speaker 4: he's missed.
Speaker 3: And I think it was six to eight weeks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's about span on.
Speaker 2: It was, yeah, sop up then.
Speaker 4: And they did the surgery. So well, I'm going to
Speaker 4: have two days of ramp up and see what happens
Speaker 4: on Sunday. Yeah, min understanding it might be it will
Speaker 4: be like a shared a shared position maybe with he
Speaker 4: and Kaylen Carson, because I think Carson's ready also, so
Speaker 4: they should be putting Nylan on injured reserve. That opens
Speaker 4: up a spot for Carl Lawson to elevate him to
Speaker 4: the fifty three because he's already used his three elevations
Speaker 4: off the practice squad, So that'll kind of help out
Speaker 4: on the defensive end spot. That'll give him what four
Speaker 4: now or three defensive ends on well, it'll be four
Speaker 4: because kJ Henry's on here and we got t whet
Speaker 4: t weeks now got a nickname, right, and we got
Speaker 4: to mess with Tyrus anymore. It's Ta Wheat and he
Speaker 4: played well, maybe he deserved the nickname then Golston, Lawson
Speaker 4: and Henry, So you got four defensive ends and if
Speaker 4: you get Bland back or at least Carson back, you
Speaker 4: know you can have four active cornerbacks or five.
Speaker 3: My colleague at CBS eleven, Brienna Aldridge, tweets that Deron
Speaker 3: Bland will practice on a pitch count today. According to
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy just moments ago, Kyln Carson will practice at
Speaker 3: limited capacity.
Speaker 2: And same thing, right, yeah, pretty much, yeah.
Speaker 4: And they could.
Speaker 3: That's just quoting McCarthy now he said it.
Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean they have to take him off
Speaker 4: ir because he has the twenty one day deal. Right.
Speaker 3: Tyler Geiton will practice also.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 5: So we have all these injuries with us. What does
Speaker 5: Detroit look like?
Speaker 3: And Micah Parsons will not practice today, will work with
Speaker 3: the rehab group. According to Mike McCarthy. To answer your question,
Speaker 3: I just did hear Dan Campbell on Detroit radio talking
Speaker 3: about their center Frank Ragnow, who has had had a
Speaker 3: peck injury.
Speaker 4: I got that right here.
Speaker 3: Okay, So what do you have on that that he.
Speaker 4: Had missed the last game with a partial torn peck
Speaker 4: and he should be back in practice this week.
Speaker 3: And Dan Campbell in his press conference this morning said
Speaker 3: that it was the Seattle game, which was ten days ago.
Speaker 3: Now someone came up and hit him. He was he
Speaker 3: was going. He was walking through the locker room to
Speaker 3: talk to the trainer and somebody came up next to
Speaker 3: him and slammed him up against a wall. Well, Campbell
Speaker 3: said he just kept walking, not thinking anything of it.
Speaker 3: Strange and did that same someone hit him again and
Speaker 3: he said it was rag Now and rag Now was
Speaker 3: telling him I'm ready to okay.
Speaker 4: Okay, So that's how Ragnow got hurt.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I was thinking tot.
Speaker 3: That's how rag Now was telling him, as Peck is
Speaker 3: okay and he's ready to play. Apparently rag Now is
Speaker 3: a very tough guy, old school tough guy, and he's
Speaker 3: going to play.
Speaker 5: And also Campbell probably gets knocked up against the wall
Speaker 5: by several players on his teams because it's normal, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's right.
Speaker 4: Also, their their safety, Brian Branch. The description said he
Speaker 4: had a brain injury, but he missed the game. This
Speaker 4: is who Brian Branched, their safety. But he missed the
Speaker 4: last game because of an illness, not because of a
Speaker 4: brain injury.
Speaker 2: That's concussion. Is that what they're trying to say?
Speaker 4: Why didn't they say that I read it and I
Speaker 4: wrote it down brain injury. How do you maybe he
Speaker 4: wasn't total concussion or something, but that's the way it
Speaker 4: was described.
Speaker 3: Nate in Frisco has texted in, we should tune in
Speaker 3: to coach just for a few seconds. Wow, we don't
Speaker 3: want to hear about Bill and his stakes and anas
Speaker 3: and goldfish from the fair.
Speaker 4: Wow, could have done better.
Speaker 2: One of yours in the middle class.
Speaker 3: Oh there he is, there you go, Okay, Marquis Davenport,
Speaker 3: Marcus Davenport defensive end.
Speaker 4: He was out. I don't know if he got hurt.
Speaker 2: Natan Frisco says he's still out, and he's still out.
Speaker 2: That's what I say. There you go.
Speaker 3: That's the latest from Frisco.
Speaker 4: And their defense is top ten in scoring and rushing defense,
Speaker 4: and their offense.
Speaker 2: Is number one in the whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 4: Like number three and three off just three ninety seven
Speaker 4: game by the way, one hundred and fifty one point
Speaker 4: three rushing. Hmmm, we'll find out.
Speaker 2: Suit.
Speaker 3: Well, they got a combo there. They got a running
Speaker 3: back by committee too, Montgomery and Gibb David Montgomery, engineer Gibbs.
Speaker 3: And they're pretty dark.
Speaker 5: That's funny how the running everything's going back to who
Speaker 5: it was defense running game being extremely important, but the
Speaker 5: pay hadn't changed for running backs at all. You know,
Speaker 5: the importance that you put on the running back now
Speaker 5: it's still there. But you don't have any individual superstars
Speaker 5: like we used to have.
Speaker 4: Well, Derrick Henry's close to it close.
Speaker 3: And he got two years sixteen million dollars nine million guaranteed.
Speaker 3: So that's ever since point. The pay is not very low, but.
Speaker 4: That's pretty good for what's going on now.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this guy's a superstar.
Speaker 3: He's not just running backs, like thirty four million a year.
Speaker 5: Right, it's so crazy, but they're understanding that the importance
Speaker 5: is still there.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's.
Speaker 5: He was so enamored by by Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: And what he could look at Christian McCaffrey. Well, you
Speaker 2: hadn't played this year. There you go. They're treading.
Speaker 3: The problem for running backs is they get hurt and.
Speaker 4: They're treating running backs like least cars, use them up,
Speaker 4: trade them in, get another one.
Speaker 3: And it could happen the next play. So that's the problem.
Speaker 2: That is the problem.
Speaker 4: And evidently there's a enough running backs out there that
Speaker 4: you can just shuffle them in.
Speaker 5: Well, I would have to say that you got to have.
Speaker 5: I think what's even more important is the offensive line. Right,
Speaker 5: we're finding out that you can't run if you don't
Speaker 5: have a line. I don't care who you are, you
Speaker 5: can't run if.
Speaker 3: You don't have a line, which is what Dan Campbell
Speaker 3: did when he first got to Detroit. Who was his
Speaker 3: first draft pick? It was Pinay Seul, his right tackle.
Speaker 3: There you go, and they were high fives all around
Speaker 3: the room. It's the same thing that Harbaugh did with
Speaker 3: the Chargers this year. Yeah, first pick, fifth pick in
Speaker 3: the draft. Joe Walt, he's got.
Speaker 4: His tackle, same thing Jason Garrett.
Speaker 3: Did and he got here. That's right, Jason Garrett the
Speaker 3: first draft he was where he was the head coach.
Speaker 3: The first pick is Tyron Smith. So three and then
Speaker 3: three of the next four years is Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick,
Speaker 3: and Zach Martin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, any guards picked in the first round?
Speaker 4: Well, and no, not anymore but back.
Speaker 3: But yeah, for him there was but ten years ago,
Speaker 3: just three years ago.
Speaker 4: Although although Zach was a tackle.
Speaker 2: We didn't pick a guard anywhere. What do you mean
Speaker 2: the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Turned him into a guard? I thought he was Tyler Smith. Okay,
Speaker 4: he still can't get over that candy you couldn't get.
Speaker 4: Last I saw he saw he played tackle last game.
Speaker 3: Last I saw he was a tackle.
Speaker 2: Only because he was forced to, but he was good
Speaker 2: enough to do it.
Speaker 3: And I wonder if anyone asked McCarthy if Tyler Goon
Speaker 3: will practice, he didn't. Who's who's practicing with the first team?
Speaker 4: I bet of Guidan ready to play.
Speaker 3: He's practicing back with the first team.
Speaker 4: Yes, Nate's trying to call me. Why didn't he just
Speaker 4: text me one.
Speaker 3: Of the he's testing your phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And by the way, game first Sean Payton did when
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. He's a very stupid listeners man.
Speaker 5: I think he actually has he got a computer over there.
Speaker 5: Somebody's feeding him information he is right now.
Speaker 2: He just called me too.
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Speaker 3: All right, we continue with mixed shots. Cowboys will be
Speaker 3: on the practice field here in the next half hour,
Speaker 3: and Mike McCarthy's just wrapped up his press conference. Nickey
Speaker 3: Spagnola has how did you tease that you said you
Speaker 3: had some notes mix shots? Oh, a couple of mix shots.
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, well this one maybe everybody knows it was.
Speaker 2: It was proceed.
Speaker 4: It was news to me because when the game ended
Speaker 4: immediately we didn't sit there and watch what was going on.
Speaker 4: We need to get the elevator to get down to
Speaker 4: the locker room. But when I went back and watched
Speaker 4: the final two plays, the first one was overshown not
Speaker 4: intercepting the desperation pass. The second one was when they
Speaker 4: tried to play cal Stanford and throw the ball around.
Speaker 4: I saw that Jordan Lewis when it finally ball came
Speaker 4: loose or whatever, he picked it up and Pickin's face masked,
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, did they let him get away?
Speaker 2: With that.
Speaker 4: But somebody told me they threw a flag and called
Speaker 4: a personal file for face mask and I'm thinking personal
Speaker 4: files you get fined, yes, and he'll get fined right
Speaker 4: for a stupid thing like that. What a punk?
Speaker 2: Did you?
Speaker 3: Did you see Jordan Lewis the video Jordan Lewis go
Speaker 3: walk into the locker room and he said, I did
Speaker 3: as he was walking and there you know, there's cameras
Speaker 3: or yeah, cell phones and reporters just get the players
Speaker 3: as they're walking to the locker room. And Jordan Lewis said,
Speaker 3: as he turned to walk in the locker room, pickings
Speaker 3: is weak, like.
Speaker 4: Ah, well, I'm sure he was jabbering after the game
Speaker 4: was over.
Speaker 2: I didn't know he talked so much trash.
Speaker 4: He's pretty the field.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 5: Did you see him snatch that dude down Manumber nineteen? Yes,
Speaker 5: I mean that was vicious. I loved it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know it's Jersey's torn.
Speaker 5: You know, you out there, you got people's colors all
Speaker 5: on your jerseys and.
Speaker 2: All the faded stuff from the field.
Speaker 5: And the man that was that was just the environment,
Speaker 5: the atmosphere there for us to come out of there
Speaker 5: with that win in that atmosphere the way we did
Speaker 5: with that kind of bravado. I'm snatching your dude down,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I got you so upset
Speaker 5: you're gonna get fined. Not only did pickings, he didn't
Speaker 5: talk after the game. If I'm not mistaken, oh really.
Speaker 2: And he's getting a lot of grief.
Speaker 5: He ended up going to the locker a weight room
Speaker 5: and just sat in there by himself. It's what they said, well, Zim,
Speaker 5: so that he wouldn't have to answer any questions.
Speaker 4: Zim was talking about Jordan Lewis, and he said, uh.
Speaker 4: He said, he's not a big, stature guy. And I
Speaker 4: call him pit bull because he doesn't uh. He'll mix it.
Speaker 2: Up pretty well.
Speaker 4: He doesn't back down. Well, I think at some point,
Speaker 4: I don't know where it's at. He talked about how
Speaker 4: when he's on the sideline, it's like, hey, put me in.
Speaker 4: He goes, well, we're not in this. I need to
Speaker 4: be in there. This.
Speaker 2: I did not know.
Speaker 4: I didn't need to back down like I'm small man.
Speaker 5: His jersey was all torn off. It looked like he
Speaker 5: was back in college playing in some rival game.
Speaker 4: I loved it, so I didn't know.
Speaker 2: It's the kind of attitude you need on the road man, right.
Speaker 4: I didn't notice that. And then the other thing, well, before.
Speaker 5: You go on, someone from Nathan Frisco said you don't
Speaker 5: like Jordan Lewis because he's too small.
Speaker 4: No, I never said that. I said sometimes he gets lost,
Speaker 4: oh early in his career, and somebody tweeted me out
Speaker 4: that he goes, and he tweeted any and he tweeted
Speaker 4: Jordan Lewis. At the same time, Spagnola said, you get
Speaker 4: lost out there. So anyway, also so he got another
Speaker 4: mix shot.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is an.
Speaker 4: So asking asking John Fossil about the the last extra
Speaker 4: point when they jumped outside twice like on purpose or
Speaker 4: not on purpose. They were trying to time it so
Speaker 4: that they can get a block. And he said, well,
Speaker 4: what they were trying to do is scoop and score
Speaker 4: and you know, get two points tie the game. And
Speaker 4: I said, well, the official announced after the second one
Speaker 4: that if there is another one, it's an un sportsman
Speaker 4: like penalty. And so I asked Fossil, I go, what's
Speaker 4: the penalty. He goes, if they do it three times
Speaker 4: in a row, we get the point.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: I never heard it wow before. Okay, So that's what
Speaker 4: he said. And uh, I thought that was pretty interesting
Speaker 4: because they obviously they were jumping it hoping that they
Speaker 4: got away with it, and they didn't and then they didn't.
Speaker 4: And you can only do it five yards so many times, right,
Speaker 4: pretty soon you're the goal line. There's no penalty. So
Speaker 4: uh he said, yeah, you get the point.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: So anyway, I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 2: I like I like the challenge though.
Speaker 5: I like, we're going to time this as as best
Speaker 5: we can.
Speaker 4: I do like that, and it's okay, drop off, jump off.
Speaker 2: Side like that. That's smart smart, Okay.
Speaker 4: The only other thing it might have said, oh, now
Speaker 4: we get the ball at the half yard line, we
Speaker 4: can go for two, right, and if you don't get it,
Speaker 4: then it's still a two point game. But they didn't
Speaker 4: bite that, and the clock the time times off, so yeah,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: And the but there was even a decision to be
Speaker 3: made on whether you kick the extra point or not,
Speaker 3: because if you block the extra point and return it
Speaker 3: that late in the game, that may be their best
Speaker 3: chance of winning or winning the game because of that
Speaker 3: tire too, of the two point defensive touchdown, or you could.
Speaker 4: Have gone firm, gone for two and if you didn't
Speaker 4: make it, you didn't make it right instead of just
Speaker 4: or you could just take a knee. Take a knee. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's because you could also fumble right right, right, So
Speaker 4: there was a lot to discuss there in that.
Speaker 3: Little period of time.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 5: Tell you what, the Lions, they are a team that
Speaker 5: does seem to milk every moment and also they try
Speaker 5: and be traditional team what they call it a when
Speaker 5: you got the third and ones, you got the end
Speaker 5: of the end of the quarter or the end of
Speaker 5: the half. Situational football. Very good at paying attention to
Speaker 5: situational football. Dan Campbell squeezes every moment out of the
Speaker 5: out of the game. That's what we have to be
Speaker 5: prepared for. He squeezes every moment. He takes advantage of
Speaker 5: every situation that he can, and he tries to exploit
Speaker 5: it if you're not ready for it. He tried to
Speaker 5: do it, of course to us in the playoff game,
Speaker 5: and they kind.
Speaker 3: Of back a little bit, criticized a lot for how
Speaker 3: many times he goes for it on.
Speaker 4: Well, so that brings us to everybody's going to ask
Speaker 4: the Lions, now if this was a revenge game because
Speaker 4: you got screwed last time. No, they screwed himself. We
Speaker 4: forgot the details all that themselves.
Speaker 5: I thought they tried right.
Speaker 4: They tried to act like, Okay, you know this guy
Speaker 4: really didn't everybody.
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to believe him too. Everyone wants to believe.
Speaker 4: They have the other two guys standing right by, and
Speaker 4: they were gonna make him eligible.
Speaker 2: They were so slick that they and whatever.
Speaker 4: And what everybody forgets is if they had announced that
Speaker 4: what was his name, was it Tyler Decker or something Decker?
Speaker 4: If he was announced eligible, the Cowboys would have covered him.
Speaker 4: They wouldn't have just looked at him as, oh, he's
Speaker 4: just an offensive lineman sitting out over them, right. And
Speaker 4: the other part was the guy that was announced they
Speaker 4: should have thrown a penalty because he was covered up.
Speaker 4: He was inside of the formation.
Speaker 3: I just went back and looked at my tweet from
Speaker 3: New Year's Eve, December thirty. First audio from the Dallas
Speaker 3: Cowboys radio broadcast. Referee Brad Allen announces to the entire
Speaker 3: stadium and tells the Dallas defense prior to the Lions
Speaker 3: two point try that number seventy Dan Skipper reported as eligible.
Speaker 3: No mention of number sixty eight Taylor Decker.
Speaker 4: Nope, And you know what, we could hear it in
Speaker 4: the press box when he announced it.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, that's right.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't like no one heard it.
Speaker 3: I remember there was a big controversy after the game,
Speaker 3: and so I'd checked with Douglas Barriclough because I was
Speaker 3: not had not listened to the game on the radio broadcast,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I bet they have it on the
Speaker 3: radio broadcast. So Douglas sent me the clip of it,
Speaker 3: and then I had the video and so and I
Speaker 3: wonder what that sounds like.
Speaker 7: If he had to make you play it is an
Speaker 7: eligible receiver.
Speaker 3: They brought in an extra. So, by the way, my
Speaker 3: tweet at one point two million views, I was.
Speaker 2: Still getting with you. I was. I was still getting
Speaker 2: on that tweet. Like four months later, in.
Speaker 3: The middle of the off season Draft night, then Skipper tweet.
Speaker 4: So did Dan Campbell not hear that over the stadium?
Speaker 4: Everybody in the stadium heard it.
Speaker 5: I would imagine it was a lot of stuff going
Speaker 5: on in Dan Campbell's ear at that time. They got
Speaker 5: headsets on, you know, yeah, he got people talking from
Speaker 5: the top.
Speaker 4: But all the coaches. They all had to hear it.
Speaker 2: They probably all talking.
Speaker 4: They were trying to pull a faster.
Speaker 5: That well, that is true. That is true. They were
Speaker 5: just hoping that they worked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, oh, no, we this is the guy that's eligible.
Speaker 4: And then they tried to throw it to the other guy.
Speaker 4: Guy was wide open because there was the offensive tackle
Speaker 4: that there.
Speaker 5: Were defenders on that side of the and they moved,
Speaker 5: and they moved.
Speaker 2: Because no one is eligible over here.
Speaker 4: Right, Why would I.
Speaker 3: You know, who's going to be a captain for the
Speaker 3: Lions this game?
Speaker 4: You know, I mentioned it that I mentioned. I mentioned
Speaker 4: it yesterday that the last time they played, they brought
Speaker 4: him in as an eligible and the referee did it
Speaker 4: with two hands, right, there was no Skippers eligible. He
Speaker 4: probably knew his name. Oh, poor Brad. I think it
Speaker 4: was Brad Allen was.
Speaker 3: The was, Yes, it was yea, all right, we continue
Speaker 3: with more mix shots at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good day.
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Speaker 2: Man such a distraction the.
Speaker 3: Way we got a tour going through Natan first, Goexas
Speaker 3: from the shut, try tread Texas played very well at
Speaker 3: Texas too. Dates out in the hallway singing in Texas.
Speaker 5: I don't even look right on them, doesn't even look
Speaker 5: that well. It looks like, of course, my baby brother,
Speaker 5: who love them?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I love him too. My daddy always said, even though
Speaker 3: the family is from Oklahoma, but I grew up in Irving,
Speaker 3: that you're a Texan, you need to root for Texas
Speaker 3: until they play OU. Told me, Yeah, that what my
Speaker 3: daddy told me, Well, you had cousin that played very
Speaker 3: well for him.
Speaker 2: That that hercue Walls was playing for them.
Speaker 5: But before that, when I was growing up, we were
Speaker 5: all about OU because they signed all the black players Mary,
Speaker 5: so I had no choice, sense to me, Okay, gotcha,
Speaker 5: that's right.
Speaker 3: By the way, there's a great article on Barry Switzer
Speaker 3: on ESPN dot com today. You need to check it out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: really good. He's eighty seven years old, just turned eighty seven.
Speaker 2: He's still going strong.
Speaker 3: That's basically what the article is about. He's still the
Speaker 3: same age eighty seven. Call him the king in Oklahoma.
Speaker 4: He was, he was ahead of the game.
Speaker 3: I would love it if he were in town on
Speaker 3: early on Friday to get him sitting in that chair
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 2: But Bud was the one that started.
Speaker 4: Well, he used to come in, come in through the
Speaker 4: game because he would do an appearance here. But he
Speaker 4: got hired last time. When I talked to him, I
Speaker 4: tried to he still makes money, but he's at one
Speaker 4: of the casinos in Oklahoma and it's a paid.
Speaker 2: Yeah right there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, But Bud was the one that really started
Speaker 5: to in the fifties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well how long did Bud go?
Speaker 3: How long he was in the fifties until early sixties,
Speaker 3: I guess something like that. And they had a dry
Speaker 3: spell right after him, and then Fairbanks. Fairbanks was the
Speaker 3: head coach. Switzer was the offensive coordinator when I switched
Speaker 3: to the wishbone and then in nineteen seventy three was
Speaker 3: Switcher's first year as a head coach.
Speaker 2: Who was the first black player to play for them?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 2: Was it the big Oh?
Speaker 3: It was a guy named Trentis gott was and that
Speaker 3: was early sixties, late fifties.
Speaker 2: Early sixties. But no, Bud didn't do that. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't recall if Bud was the head coach then
Speaker 3: or not. But you know, as you know, you know Switcher,
Speaker 3: that was a great advantage that ou had over Texas
Speaker 3: in the seventies his running backs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Trentis Gott ended up at the University of Missouri Academics. Uh.
Speaker 4: And when I was in college my senior year, I
Speaker 4: did a feature story on him, and he was the
Speaker 4: most gracious guy. Smart, just what was do you know
Speaker 4: what his studies were trying to He wasn't teaching. He
Speaker 4: was like an administrator in charge and whatever.
Speaker 2: So he was an educator, but he was Oh.
Speaker 4: He was sharp. His wife was sharp.
Speaker 2: He's gonna say, yeah, he was.
Speaker 4: Wherever wherever he went to get his masters or.
Speaker 2: That's what shaped him. Yes, he passed.
Speaker 3: He's passed away, right, Yes, two thousand and five, passed
Speaker 3: away to age sixty seven.
Speaker 4: You know you were talking about Switzerland because you know
Speaker 4: that's where all the black players went. When I was
Speaker 4: working in Jackson, Mississippi, we do a story related to
Speaker 4: a noted player from Mississippi, but on the town. So
Speaker 4: I went to this town. I can't remember what it was,
Speaker 4: but I was interviewing this guy and it was he
Speaker 4: was talking about what he did in high school and
Speaker 4: then he ended up at Michigan State. Well, Duffy Doherty
Speaker 4: was recruiting the black this would have been late sixties,
Speaker 4: and so when he was telling me a story about
Speaker 4: all his accolades, and I go, so, none of the
Speaker 4: schools here, like Mississippi State or Southern didn't recruit you.
Speaker 4: And he goes, Son, he goes, where are you from?
Speaker 4: And I told him. He goes, do you realize that
Speaker 4: those opportunities weren't available for people like me? And I'm going, oh,
Speaker 4: what an idiot? Because those schools didn't start integrated until
Speaker 4: their early seventies. Right, So Duffy Doherty and all those
Speaker 4: schools up north were coming into Mississippi to recruit all
Speaker 4: those players.
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3: Since you asked the question on Prentice Scott bud Wilkinson,
Speaker 3: this was in nineteen fifty six. Bud Wilkinson was pressured
Speaker 3: against giving Prentice got a scholarship. A group of black
Speaker 3: doctors and pharmacists gave him money to attend the school,
Speaker 3: and within a year God had a scholarship and the
Speaker 3: donated money was given to another black student. He became
Speaker 3: a two time All Big Eight player and was academic
Speaker 3: All American and as Mickey said, got his pH d
Speaker 3: in psychology.
Speaker 5: So you had two students got Yeah, that's so they
Speaker 5: over donated.
Speaker 3: So it was Bud Wilkinson who was the head coach,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: And that's why Don Perkins got to New Mexico. He
Speaker 4: was from Iowa and uh he got to uh, New
Speaker 4: Mexico because they could recruit a black player. Same thing
Speaker 4: with the first wide receiver the Cowboys had early he
Speaker 4: had set all their records.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 4: He was from Colorado. Yeah, I'll think of it here
Speaker 4: before Drew. Yeah, he and John Wooton were the first
Speaker 4: black players at University of Colorado. Uh, and that's how
Speaker 4: they got to Colorado from Newxico.
Speaker 5: I think he was number eighty it. I think he
Speaker 5: was number eighty. I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: Frank Clark, that's it there.
Speaker 4: He was eighty two with a with an eye Frank Clark.
Speaker 2: He was a great player.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but both of them were the first scholarship
Speaker 4: football players at Colorado.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so yeah, we forget about how things changed.
Speaker 4: And Switzers was right on top of that stuff because
Speaker 4: he'd walk into any living room.
Speaker 3: Well, he grew up and crossed at Arkansas, and he
Speaker 3: grew up with black kids.
Speaker 2: He grew up with about Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: And he was welcomed. That's how he got all the
Speaker 4: Selmon's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I thought they were the first
Speaker 2: two because.
Speaker 3: And there were three of them, but no three. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah brothers. That's that's like our Remember when I was
Speaker 3: in college there. When I was in college there, the
Speaker 3: Doobie Brothers were doing a concert at the football stadium
Speaker 3: and they had Switzer there, uh for the press conference
Speaker 3: and now said that the Doobie Brothers are coming to town.
Speaker 2: But anyway, but what I.
Speaker 3: Remember is Switzer's commed. He said, well, I don't know
Speaker 3: anything about the Doobie Brothers, but is there anything like
Speaker 3: the Sealman brothers. They'll do real well here.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: They were Selvin Brothers are from Ufalla, Oklahoma, same hometown
Speaker 3: as J. C.
Speaker 2: Watts.
Speaker 5: And you did have a community of a well well
Speaker 5: to do blacks in that area in Oklahoma. And that's
Speaker 5: why I think they were able to kind of put
Speaker 5: that money up so that you can sign uh gault.
Speaker 3: Friend Scott.
Speaker 4: So the Salmon Brothers that was mid That was early.
Speaker 2: Early seventies.
Speaker 4: I had to watch him kick Missouri's ass so many times. God,
Speaker 4: they were good, I remember, and Billy Sims.
Speaker 3: Larry Lacewell was a defensive coordinator bringing it back to
Speaker 3: the cow Wow, and Larry Lacewell was Switzer's defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: And I remember Lacewell later saying that, yeah, when we
Speaker 3: were we had the Selman brothers and Rod Showed and
Speaker 3: George Cumby and all these guys, and we were on
Speaker 3: the bus going to the Cotton Bowl in nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: three or whatever, and Lacewell turned to Switzer and said, well, hell,
Speaker 3: if we can't beat this team with these.
Speaker 4: Guys, and we might as well get out of coaching.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: And they had a string there of like five straight years.
Speaker 4: Company was one of my favorite players to watch.
Speaker 2: Oh he was so.
Speaker 5: I think what Oklahoma did for me was show how
Speaker 5: beautiful the running game can be, because back then it
Speaker 5: was all about the running game.
Speaker 3: Uh even can you imagine if a team did it
Speaker 3: now Vanderbilt kind of doing it with their misdirection stuff,
Speaker 3: and yeah's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the kid cussing on TV like you did,
Speaker 2: because teams, I.
Speaker 4: Can't prepare for it.
Speaker 2: What an interview? What an interview? Oh my god, we
Speaker 2: didn't even talk about that.
Speaker 3: Teams don't prepare for to stop the option, you know,
Speaker 3: and so.
Speaker 5: But to me, it was not just it was the
Speaker 5: way that you know, guys like Billy Simms, Greg Pruitt.
Speaker 4: The way they were to Washington.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the way they were able to maneuver themselves to
Speaker 5: a secondary, you know, missing tackles. They knew that if
Speaker 5: it was three in front of them, based on how
Speaker 5: it was they were lined up, they knew that that
Speaker 5: was not going to deter them from going to the
Speaker 5: end zone. And watching that, believe or not. I grew
Speaker 5: up as a running back.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 5: I was bigger for my age at that time. First
Speaker 5: year playing football, I was a running back. I got
Speaker 5: like eighteen touchdowns like six games. My dad was running back,
Speaker 5: So I was always I had this offenity towards running
Speaker 5: backs and the way they did it and watching Oklahoma,
Speaker 5: That's why I fell in love with them, just the
Speaker 5: way that they did it, the.
Speaker 4: Blocking scheme, seeing they put three of them out there.
Speaker 3: And yeah, even the backup, the best one, their best team,
Speaker 3: boyshbone team was in seventy eight when Sims won the Heisman.
Speaker 3: Thomas Lott was the quarterback and then the half backs
Speaker 3: were Billy Simms and David over Street and they had
Speaker 3: Kenny King at full back.
Speaker 2: Crazy bro.
Speaker 3: I remember when all of them high.
Speaker 5: Draft picks, and I could care less if someone threw
Speaker 5: the ball, I could care less. All I was looking
Speaker 5: for was to just watch them run through there, just
Speaker 5: with the sweetness that they had.
Speaker 4: Well, how open you think receivers were when they faked tear?
Speaker 2: Faked tear? Then I'm going to pull it back again.
Speaker 2: Drafted off of.
Speaker 3: Oklahoma, but they actually did. They were first round picks.
Speaker 2: Billy Brooks was the.
Speaker 3: First round pick and he only got only got ten
Speaker 3: targets and all of his entire college career ends.
Speaker 2: Crazy. Yeah, they could see it, the scouts, so.
Speaker 3: Forth and by the way, and wrapping it up, it's Switzer.
Speaker 3: I know you get criticized and there's time with the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: but when I look back my time covering the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: that was some some of the most fun times.
Speaker 5: It was entertaining what you guys want and what do
Speaker 5: you want us a coach, It's totally two different things.
Speaker 5: We don't want our coach to be entertaining. We want
Speaker 5: our coach to be competent and win. That's all we want.
Speaker 5: We don't want him leaving weapons in his lock luggage.
Speaker 5: We don't want any of that stuff.
Speaker 4: He uh, and usually his his common sense reasoning was always.
Speaker 3: Right on, and his ability to evaluate players.
Speaker 2: And that right.
Speaker 3: I mean, when you're even if you're illegally recruiting, you
Speaker 3: got to figure out which the best players you're gonna
Speaker 3: play the money. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4: You can can't be wasted.
Speaker 3: If you can't evaluate talent, then you're giving the money
Speaker 3: to the wrong people.
Speaker 2: You can't waste that.
Speaker 4: I'll never forget. After one of those practices at Valley Ranch,
Speaker 4: and he would come out and in the front where
Speaker 4: the entrance was to do is press conference, and some
Speaker 4: reporter asked him a question that was just fassinine. It
Speaker 4: was just wrong, right, And he looked at the reporter
Speaker 4: and he goes, you don't know what you don't know,
Speaker 4: and believe me, you don't know that. I go, that
Speaker 4: was the most brilliant quote, I think, because he was
Speaker 4: right right, because they acted like they knew what they
Speaker 4: were and they didn't and that was his quote.
Speaker 3: That's but Barry, he's his mind. I mean, he is
Speaker 3: as sharp as attack, as far as you know, remembering things,
Speaker 3: remembering people's names.
Speaker 5: That's why he's still in the casino was making I
Speaker 5: want to hear him talk. They want to hear the stories,
Speaker 5: and he still knows them, he still remembers them.
Speaker 4: And he was the king and all the media bowed
Speaker 4: down to him during those days at at.
Speaker 5: I think he's the only one that I talked Jerry,
Speaker 5: since he's he only coach that out talked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jerry, like, hey, I'm leving that.
Speaker 3: Opening press conference. Oh yeah, he was announced as the coach.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, so classic.
Speaker 4: That's what you want to do.
Speaker 3: That's damn sure what you want to Oh man, all right,
Speaker 3: that doesn't We.
Speaker 4: Should have had Jella Hanson.
Speaker 3: That'd be good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we could still do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, arrange that. All right?
Speaker 4: Okay, see what I could do.
Speaker 2: I'm on the show. It might come from this.
Speaker 3: Okay, Mickey's got to go watch practice and it's right
Speaker 3: and we'll talk at you again tomorrow and noon for
Speaker 3: Mick shots.
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