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Speaker 3: conference is happening as we get started here too, So

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Speaker 3: we're gonna this is going to be We have breaking

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Speaker 3: news edition of Mix.

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Speaker 4: We have competition.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 4: You can listen to us or listen to macarthy.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're much more exciting to us.

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Speaker 3: And we'll let you know what McCarthy. You say. Yes, Okay.

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Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, I've got a scout listening.

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Speaker 3: For Okay, very good.

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Speaker 4: I just got to remember to keep my phone.

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Speaker 3: Close, okay, and ate and Frisco hopeful lines.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, hope, please day we need you today. We gotta

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Speaker 5: we gotta beat McCarthy man.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I tried to listen behind enemy lines this morning,

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Speaker 3: and in Detroit, they aren't talking about the Lions. They're

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Speaker 3: talking about a baseball team up there.

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Speaker 4: I noticed that when I tried to call up the

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Speaker 4: Detroit Free Press, and I said, well, let me see

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Speaker 4: what's going on with the Lions. In the first five

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Speaker 4: or six or seven stories in the list was all baseball.

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Speaker 3: The Lions are coming off of bye week, and so

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Speaker 3: they're getting healthier, of course, and just in time for

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Speaker 3: the Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: And I shouldn't and I'm not throwing them under the

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Speaker 4: bus because this morning's Dallas Morning News, the addition I

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Speaker 4: got at home, it was not a Cowboys story in it.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine?

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Speaker 3: No way, I gotta go.

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Speaker 2: We must have won the game.

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Speaker 4: You gotta call You got to call up the newspaper

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Speaker 4: edition or not their online stuff, because you can go

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Speaker 4: online and hit Cowboys. It'll have stories that are up there,

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Speaker 4: but they weren't in my paper. How about that?

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Speaker 3: How about that Mickey still reads everywhere?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? That also is this?

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Speaker 4: Is this a newspaper you get at home or at home?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? You actually they still deliver free. Yes, really, how

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Speaker 3: many does a paper boy.

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Speaker 4: In a car not on a bicycle.

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Speaker 3: I was the last. I was the last person on

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Speaker 3: my block to get newspapers, and that ended probably with COVID,

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Speaker 3: maybe sometime in the last three or four years.

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Speaker 4: I'm the only one.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee you. I guarantee you are probably for the

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Speaker 3: you know you.

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Speaker 2: Get the little you know output whatever you call them,

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Speaker 2: you know, a little the little shark weekly things.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I get those all the time. I use

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Speaker 5: those to help pick up my dog's stuff, which.

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Speaker 3: Is the same thing you used to do in the

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Speaker 3: morning and the Times eld Mickey back when you were playing.

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Speaker 5: Mickey's article alone. Take a separate Mickey's article.

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Speaker 4: You take the little plastic bag it comes in, and

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Speaker 4: that's what you pick up your.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I put the plastic article, Mickey.

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Speaker 3: The plastic bag had some value to it.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna save that for something.

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Speaker 3: This article has no value to it.

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Speaker 2: That's how that goes.

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Speaker 4: And you were and you were worse for it too.

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Speaker 2: For so last night, Yes, I went to the fair,

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Speaker 2: Did you really? I did?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I've been going Saturday.

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Speaker 2: You've been going Saturday. Well, yeah, you're going for the game,

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Speaker 2: that's right, Yeah, by yourself?

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Speaker 4: Are you working or sitting in the stands?

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Speaker 3: I'm not working and I'm not sitting sweet big time.

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Speaker 2: He hated. He hated to admit that people. He's special.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I technically am working. That's how I'm getting

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Speaker 3: into this. They can smell fresh cash.

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Speaker 4: Should be walking the side, and no, I got family

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Speaker 5: What's your what's your what's your what's your deal? What's

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Speaker 5: your your? You mean culinary option?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm not standing in the line to get

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Speaker 5: But uh, dude, you are really a kept man on you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you get coupon so you don't have to

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Speaker 4: You get your corny dog.

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Speaker 5: Oh man, got I spent one hundred dollars in coupons

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Speaker 5: last night this.

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Speaker 3: So what's your culinary taste?

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Speaker 5: I ended up with the guy. We had we shared

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Speaker 5: so much stuff. I ended up with the crawfish pies. Okay,

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Speaker 5: three of those for twenty bucks?

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Speaker 2: Oh mind?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, mine is wherever the shortest line is on side.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you go before or after.

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Speaker 2: Before the game? You go?

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the whole that's the whole dealt atmosphere.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I'm after I may just I may, you know,

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Speaker 3: see my family, and then I may go home watch

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Speaker 2: Also watch the pickled pizza.

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Speaker 4: Pickle pizza.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you mean with it's a pickled pizza.

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Speaker 4: Instead of pepperoni, it's pickles, pickles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, delicious?

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Speaker 4: You ate it.

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Speaker 2: I did it.

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Speaker 5: You know, we shared, but yeah, it was good. I'm

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Speaker 5: trying to think of everything.

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Speaker 4: That might be as bad as putting pineapple pizza.

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Speaker 2: The pineapple came with the ice cream.

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Speaker 5: Oh, okay, that's fine, with to heenan pizza with to.

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Speaker 2: Heen uh sprinkles on that. Okay, Yeah, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 4: I want to know who had State Fair talk twice

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Speaker 4: in a day on their Bingo card. This morning we

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Speaker 3: That's because it's the biggest week of the year. This

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Speaker 3: Isaiah Standbach went to the fair.

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Speaker 2: You saw him, I saw the whole family. Did you

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Speaker 2: see what he won? No, I didn't.

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Speaker 4: He wear So he goes every year and he wins

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Speaker 4: his daughter a big probably the biggest fluffy you've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: And guess what. Guess what hanging around her bed football?

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Speaker 2: It was throwing a football in a basket. That's how

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Speaker 2: every year he does that.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I was thinking because I passed by

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Speaker 2: It's really yeah, but I'm pretty sure if you get

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Speaker 3: You know he did the football to good hooster.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean he anyone? He taker?

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Speaker 5: I'll take her, give her that would be even better.

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Speaker 4: Will they give her a smaller ball?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna what do we have? But what's Dallas wing? Wings?

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Speaker 3: Wings?

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Speaker 2: Get her?

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Speaker 3: Uh huh yeah, or get care or you can get.

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Speaker 5: They could take them, they can take them. I could

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Speaker 5: just see them right now. I think it's actually higher,

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Speaker 5: and it's it's the hoop is smaller.

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Speaker 2: I think that. I think it's higher.

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Speaker 3: Of the certainly aren't very forgiving rems.

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Speaker 5: You could get the hoops over there and he or

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Speaker 5: she all the ball was bigger, probably, but as long

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Speaker 5: as they can legally go through it, you can.

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Speaker 2: Get someone to do.

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Speaker 4: Just like Isaiah, you're not hitting like the old milk

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Speaker 4: cartons off the No.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think backboard could help at all. You

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Speaker 3: It could be what happens for me. I said that

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Speaker 3: But usually what happens, especially in a year like this year,

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Speaker 3: when Oklahoma is a fourteen point underdog in this game,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to have an old college fraternity brother who's

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Speaker 3: them will text me on Friday, say, hey, you want

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Speaker 3: to go to the game. I got two tickets. Come

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Speaker 3: drive by my house.

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Speaker 2: What's your friend? What's your friend?

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Speaker 3: Signifysel oh, go ahead, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right fraternity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But you know what I have found out? You are

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Speaker 5: a man of you an onion layers. I did not

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Speaker 3: You have you don't want. In college, I had a roommate.

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Speaker 3: I had a piranhum.

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Speaker 2: Chris so that I had a pirana. I didn't have

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Speaker 2: a piranha. My roommate did. It was past stories. You

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Speaker 2: just had colorful friends. I didn't know. Say that one.

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Speaker 3: On Friday we'd go get goldfish for the piranha.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, good stuff.

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Speaker 4: Man like at the store.

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Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I did go to the fair and

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Speaker 5: win it.

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Speaker 2: I never see it coming.

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Speaker 4: So you came with one of them little.

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Speaker 2: I didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: This my roommate did it.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I wonder what was wrong with your friends?

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Speaker 2: Now I realize.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they're come through in the clutch now though, because

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Speaker 3: I'll occasionally get in U Texas ticket front.

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Speaker 2: So I'm talking about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, that that works.

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Speaker 4: He's grown up now.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Okay to bring it. Well, you don't know what's going

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Speaker 3: on because McCarthy's talking to the media right now.

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Speaker 4: That's right, and you'll probably be giving an injury update,

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Speaker 4: although Stephen Jones gave a little bit of one.

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Speaker 3: Specifically speaking, it sounded.

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Speaker 4: Like that they were going to get doron Bland practicing

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Speaker 4: and we'll see where that goes. Like a chance to play.

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Speaker 4: I heard I hadn't played football since. Trying to think

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Speaker 4: he got I think it was the end of August, right,

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Speaker 4: it was before the season started.

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Speaker 2: It was season.

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Speaker 4: He limped out of practice.

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Speaker 3: In August twenty second.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so we were still in California.

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Speaker 3: There you go, August twenty second.

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Speaker 4: So that's how many weeks. Well, four five, six weeks

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Speaker 4: he's missed.

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Speaker 3: And I think it was six to eight weeks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's about span on.

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Speaker 2: It was, yeah, sop up then.

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Speaker 4: And they did the surgery. So well, I'm going to

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Speaker 4: have two days of ramp up and see what happens

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Speaker 4: on Sunday. Yeah, min understanding it might be it will

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Speaker 4: be like a shared a shared position maybe with he

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Speaker 4: and Kaylen Carson, because I think Carson's ready also, so

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Speaker 4: they should be putting Nylan on injured reserve. That opens

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Speaker 4: up a spot for Carl Lawson to elevate him to

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Speaker 4: the fifty three because he's already used his three elevations

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Speaker 3: Tyler Geiton will practice also.

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Speaker 3: Nate in Frisco has texted in, we should tune in

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Speaker 2: One of yours in the middle class.

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Speaker 3: Oh there he is, there you go, Okay, Marquis Davenport,

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Speaker 4: He was out. I don't know if he got hurt.

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Speaker 3: That's the latest from Frisco.

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Speaker 4: Like number three and three off just three ninety seven

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Speaker 2: Suit.

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Speaker 3: Well, they got a combo there. They got a running

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Speaker 5: That's funny how the running everything's going back to who

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Speaker 4: Well, Derrick Henry's close to it close.

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Speaker 3: And he got two years sixteen million dollars nine million guaranteed.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty good for what's going on now.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this guy's a superstar.

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Speaker 3: He's not just running backs, like thirty four million a year.

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Speaker 5: Right, it's so crazy, but they're understanding that the importance

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Speaker 2: And what he could look at Christian McCaffrey. Well, you

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Speaker 3: The problem for running backs is they get hurt and.

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Speaker 4: They're treating running backs like least cars, use them up,

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Speaker 3: And it could happen the next play. So that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: That is the problem.

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Speaker 4: And evidently there's a enough running backs out there that

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Speaker 5: Well, I would have to say that you got to have.

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Speaker 5: I think what's even more important is the offensive line. Right,

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Speaker 5: we're finding out that you can't run if you don't

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Speaker 3: You don't have a line, which is what Dan Campbell

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Speaker 3: There you go, and they were high fives all around

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Speaker 4: His tackle, same thing Jason Garrett.

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Speaker 4: Well, and no, not anymore but back.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, for him there was but ten years ago,

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Speaker 2: We didn't pick a guard anywhere. What do you mean

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Speaker 4: Turned him into a guard? I thought he was Tyler Smith. Okay,

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Speaker 4: he still can't get over that candy you couldn't get.

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Speaker 4: Last I saw he saw he played tackle last game.

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Speaker 3: Last I saw he was a tackle.

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Speaker 2: Only because he was forced to, but he was good

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Speaker 3: And I wonder if anyone asked McCarthy if Tyler Goon

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Speaker 3: He's practicing back with the first team.

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Speaker 4: I saw that Jordan Lewis when it finally ball came

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Speaker 4: loose or whatever, he picked it up and Pickin's face masked,

451
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Speaker 4: and I was like, well, did they let him get away?

452
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Speaker 2: With that.

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Speaker 4: But somebody told me they threw a flag and called

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Speaker 4: a personal file for face mask and I'm thinking personal

455
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Speaker 4: files you get fined, yes, and he'll get fined right

456
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Speaker 4: for a stupid thing like that. What a punk?

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Speaker 2: Did you?

458
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Speaker 3: Did you see Jordan Lewis the video Jordan Lewis go

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Speaker 3: walk into the locker room and he said, I did

460
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Speaker 3: as he was walking and there you know, there's cameras

461
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Speaker 3: or yeah, cell phones and reporters just get the players

462
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Speaker 3: as they're walking to the locker room. And Jordan Lewis said,

463
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Speaker 3: as he turned to walk in the locker room, pickings

464
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Speaker 3: is weak, like.

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Speaker 4: Ah, well, I'm sure he was jabbering after the game

466
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Speaker 4: was over.

467
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Speaker 2: I didn't know he talked so much trash.

468
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Speaker 4: He's pretty the field.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 5: Did you see him snatch that dude down Manumber nineteen? Yes,

471
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Speaker 5: I mean that was vicious. I loved it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know it's Jersey's torn.

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Speaker 5: You know, you out there, you got people's colors all

474
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Speaker 5: on your jerseys and.

475
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Speaker 2: All the faded stuff from the field.

476
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Speaker 5: And the man that was that was just the environment,

477
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Speaker 5: the atmosphere there for us to come out of there

478
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Speaker 5: with that win in that atmosphere the way we did

479
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Speaker 5: with that kind of bravado. I'm snatching your dude down,

480
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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I got you so upset

481
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Speaker 5: you're gonna get fined. Not only did pickings, he didn't

482
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Speaker 5: talk after the game. If I'm not mistaken, oh really.

483
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Speaker 2: And he's getting a lot of grief.

484
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Speaker 5: He ended up going to the locker a weight room

485
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Speaker 5: and just sat in there by himself. It's what they said, well, Zim,

486
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Speaker 5: so that he wouldn't have to answer any questions.

487
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Speaker 4: Zim was talking about Jordan Lewis, and he said, uh.

488
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Speaker 4: He said, he's not a big, stature guy. And I

489
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Speaker 4: call him pit bull because he doesn't uh. He'll mix it.

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Speaker 2: Up pretty well.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't back down. Well, I think at some point,

492
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Speaker 4: I don't know where it's at. He talked about how

493
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Speaker 4: when he's on the sideline, it's like, hey, put me in.

494
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Speaker 4: He goes, well, we're not in this. I need to

495
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Speaker 4: be in there. This.

496
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Speaker 2: I did not know.

497
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Speaker 4: I didn't need to back down like I'm small man.

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Speaker 5: His jersey was all torn off. It looked like he

499
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Speaker 5: was back in college playing in some rival game.

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Speaker 4: I loved it, so I didn't know.

501
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Speaker 2: It's the kind of attitude you need on the road man, right.

502
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Speaker 4: I didn't notice that. And then the other thing, well, before.

503
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Speaker 5: You go on, someone from Nathan Frisco said you don't

504
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Speaker 5: like Jordan Lewis because he's too small.

505
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Speaker 4: No, I never said that. I said sometimes he gets lost,

506
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Speaker 4: oh early in his career, and somebody tweeted me out

507
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Speaker 4: that he goes, and he tweeted any and he tweeted

508
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Speaker 4: Jordan Lewis. At the same time, Spagnola said, you get

509
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: lost out there. So anyway, also so he got another

510
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Speaker 4: mix shot.

511
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Speaker 3: Okay, this is an.

512
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Speaker 4: So asking asking John Fossil about the the last extra

513
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Speaker 4: point when they jumped outside twice like on purpose or

514
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Speaker 4: not on purpose. They were trying to time it so

515
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Speaker 4: that they can get a block. And he said, well,

516
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Speaker 4: what they were trying to do is scoop and score

517
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Speaker 4: and you know, get two points tie the game. And

518
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Speaker 4: I said, well, the official announced after the second one

519
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Speaker 4: that if there is another one, it's an un sportsman

520
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 4: like penalty. And so I asked Fossil, I go, what's

521
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 4: the penalty. He goes, if they do it three times

522
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 4: in a row, we get the point.

523
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Speaker 2: Wow.

524
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 4: I never heard it wow before. Okay, So that's what

525
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 4: he said. And uh, I thought that was pretty interesting

526
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 4: because they obviously they were jumping it hoping that they

527
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 4: got away with it, and they didn't and then they didn't.

528
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 4: And you can only do it five yards so many times, right,

529
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Speaker 4: pretty soon you're the goal line. There's no penalty. So

530
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Speaker 4: uh he said, yeah, you get the point.

531
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Speaker 2: Wow.

532
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Speaker 4: So anyway, I thought that was interesting.

533
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Speaker 2: I like I like the challenge though.

534
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Speaker 5: I like, we're going to time this as as best

535
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Speaker 5: we can.

536
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Speaker 4: I do like that, and it's okay, drop off, jump off.

537
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: Side like that. That's smart smart, Okay.

538
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 4: The only other thing it might have said, oh, now

539
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 4: we get the ball at the half yard line, we

540
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: can go for two, right, and if you don't get it,

541
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 4: then it's still a two point game. But they didn't

542
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 4: bite that, and the clock the time times off, so yeah,

543
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter.

544
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: And the but there was even a decision to be

545
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 3: made on whether you kick the extra point or not,

546
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: because if you block the extra point and return it

547
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 3: that late in the game, that may be their best

548
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: chance of winning or winning the game because of that

549
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: tire too, of the two point defensive touchdown, or you could.

550
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 4: Have gone firm, gone for two and if you didn't

551
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: make it, you didn't make it right instead of just

552
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 4: or you could just take a knee. Take a knee. Yeah,

553
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 4: that's because you could also fumble right right, right, So

554
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: there was a lot to discuss there in that.

555
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 3: Little period of time.

556
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

557
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 5: Tell you what, the Lions, they are a team that

558
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 5: does seem to milk every moment and also they try

559
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 5: and be traditional team what they call it a when

560
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 5: you got the third and ones, you got the end

561
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Speaker 5: of the end of the quarter or the end of

562
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Speaker 5: the half. Situational football. Very good at paying attention to

563
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 5: situational football. Dan Campbell squeezes every moment out of the

564
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 5: out of the game. That's what we have to be

565
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 5: prepared for. He squeezes every moment. He takes advantage of

566
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Speaker 5: every situation that he can, and he tries to exploit

567
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 5: it if you're not ready for it. He tried to

568
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 5: do it, of course to us in the playoff game,

569
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Speaker 5: and they kind.

570
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Speaker 3: Of back a little bit, criticized a lot for how

571
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: many times he goes for it on.

572
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: Well, so that brings us to everybody's going to ask

573
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 4: the Lions, now if this was a revenge game because

574
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 4: you got screwed last time. No, they screwed himself. We

575
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 4: forgot the details all that themselves.

576
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Speaker 5: I thought they tried right.

577
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 4: They tried to act like, Okay, you know this guy

578
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: really didn't everybody.

579
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to believe him too. Everyone wants to believe.

580
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 4: They have the other two guys standing right by, and

581
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 4: they were gonna make him eligible.

582
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: They were so slick that they and whatever.

583
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 4: And what everybody forgets is if they had announced that

584
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: what was his name, was it Tyler Decker or something Decker?

585
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: If he was announced eligible, the Cowboys would have covered him.

586
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 4: They wouldn't have just looked at him as, oh, he's

587
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 4: just an offensive lineman sitting out over them, right. And

588
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 4: the other part was the guy that was announced they

589
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 4: should have thrown a penalty because he was covered up.

590
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 4: He was inside of the formation.

591
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: I just went back and looked at my tweet from

592
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Speaker 3: New Year's Eve, December thirty. First audio from the Dallas

593
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: Cowboys radio broadcast. Referee Brad Allen announces to the entire

594
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: stadium and tells the Dallas defense prior to the Lions

595
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Speaker 3: two point try that number seventy Dan Skipper reported as eligible.

596
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: No mention of number sixty eight Taylor Decker.

597
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: Nope, And you know what, we could hear it in

598
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 4: the press box when he announced it.

599
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: Uh huh, that's right.

600
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Speaker 4: So it wasn't like no one heard it.

601
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: I remember there was a big controversy after the game,

602
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: and so I'd checked with Douglas Barriclough because I was

603
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: not had not listened to the game on the radio broadcast,

604
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I bet they have it on the

605
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: radio broadcast. So Douglas sent me the clip of it,

606
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: and then I had the video and so and I

607
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: wonder what that sounds like.

608
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 7: If he had to make you play it is an

609
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Speaker 7: eligible receiver.

610
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Speaker 3: They brought in an extra. So, by the way, my

611
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: tweet at one point two million views, I was.

612
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: Still getting with you. I was. I was still getting

613
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: on that tweet. Like four months later, in.

614
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Speaker 3: The middle of the off season Draft night, then Skipper tweet.

615
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Speaker 4: So did Dan Campbell not hear that over the stadium?

616
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: Everybody in the stadium heard it.

617
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 5: I would imagine it was a lot of stuff going

618
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Speaker 5: on in Dan Campbell's ear at that time. They got

619
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Speaker 5: headsets on, you know, yeah, he got people talking from

620
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 5: the top.

621
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Speaker 4: But all the coaches. They all had to hear it.

622
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: They probably all talking.

623
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Speaker 4: They were trying to pull a faster.

624
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 5: That well, that is true. That is true. They were

625
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 5: just hoping that they worked.

626
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, oh, no, we this is the guy that's eligible.

627
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: And then they tried to throw it to the other guy.

628
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 4: Guy was wide open because there was the offensive tackle

629
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Speaker 4: that there.

630
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Speaker 5: Were defenders on that side of the and they moved,

631
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Speaker 5: and they moved.

632
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Speaker 2: Because no one is eligible over here.

633
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: Right, Why would I.

634
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Speaker 3: You know, who's going to be a captain for the

635
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Speaker 3: Lions this game?

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Speaker 4: You know, I mentioned it that I mentioned. I mentioned

637
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Speaker 4: it yesterday that the last time they played, they brought

638
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: him in as an eligible and the referee did it

639
00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: with two hands, right, there was no Skippers eligible. He

640
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 4: probably knew his name. Oh, poor Brad. I think it

641
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Speaker 4: was Brad Allen was.

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Speaker 3: Way we got a tour going through Natan first, Goexas

691
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Speaker 3: from the shut, try tread Texas played very well at

692
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Speaker 3: Texas too. Dates out in the hallway singing in Texas.

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Speaker 5: I don't even look right on them, doesn't even look

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Speaker 5: that well. It looks like, of course, my baby brother,

695
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Speaker 5: who love them?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I love him too. My daddy always said, even though

698
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: the family is from Oklahoma, but I grew up in Irving,

699
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: that you're a Texan, you need to root for Texas

700
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: until they play OU. Told me, Yeah, that what my

701
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: daddy told me, Well, you had cousin that played very

702
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: well for him.

703
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: That that hercue Walls was playing for them.

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00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 5: But before that, when I was growing up, we were

705
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 5: all about OU because they signed all the black players Mary,

706
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 5: so I had no choice, sense to me, Okay, gotcha,

707
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 5: that's right.

708
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 3: By the way, there's a great article on Barry Switzer

709
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: on ESPN dot com today. You need to check it out. Yeah,

710
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: really good. He's eighty seven years old, just turned eighty seven.

711
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 2: He's still going strong.

712
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: That's basically what the article is about. He's still the

713
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: same age eighty seven. Call him the king in Oklahoma.

714
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 4: He was, he was ahead of the game.

715
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: I would love it if he were in town on

716
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: early on Friday to get him sitting in that chair

717
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: right there.

718
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: But Bud was the one that started.

719
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 4: Well, he used to come in, come in through the

720
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 4: game because he would do an appearance here. But he

721
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 4: got hired last time. When I talked to him, I

722
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 4: tried to he still makes money, but he's at one

723
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: of the casinos in Oklahoma and it's a paid.

724
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: Yeah right there.

725
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, But Bud was the one that really started

726
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 5: to in the fifties.

727
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well how long did Bud go?

728
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: How long he was in the fifties until early sixties,

729
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 3: I guess something like that. And they had a dry

730
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: spell right after him, and then Fairbanks. Fairbanks was the

731
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: head coach. Switzer was the offensive coordinator when I switched

732
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: to the wishbone and then in nineteen seventy three was

733
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: Switcher's first year as a head coach.

734
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: Who was the first black player to play for them?

735
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 8: You know?

736
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: Was it the big Oh?

737
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: It was a guy named Trentis gott was and that

738
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: was early sixties, late fifties.

739
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: Early sixties. But no, Bud didn't do that. I don't know.

740
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: I don't recall if Bud was the head coach then

741
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: or not. But you know, as you know, you know Switcher,

742
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: that was a great advantage that ou had over Texas

743
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: in the seventies his running backs.

744
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

745
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

746
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 4: Trentis Gott ended up at the University of Missouri Academics. Uh.

747
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 4: And when I was in college my senior year, I

748
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: did a feature story on him, and he was the

749
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 4: most gracious guy. Smart, just what was do you know

750
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 4: what his studies were trying to He wasn't teaching. He

751
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 4: was like an administrator in charge and whatever.

752
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: So he was an educator, but he was Oh.

753
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 4: He was sharp. His wife was sharp.

754
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: He's gonna say, yeah, he was.

755
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 4: Wherever wherever he went to get his masters or.

756
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 2: That's what shaped him. Yes, he passed.

757
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 3: He's passed away, right, Yes, two thousand and five, passed

758
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 3: away to age sixty seven.

759
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 4: You know you were talking about Switzerland because you know

760
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: that's where all the black players went. When I was

761
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 4: working in Jackson, Mississippi, we do a story related to

762
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 4: a noted player from Mississippi, but on the town. So

763
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 4: I went to this town. I can't remember what it was,

764
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 4: but I was interviewing this guy and it was he

765
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 4: was talking about what he did in high school and

766
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: then he ended up at Michigan State. Well, Duffy Doherty

767
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 4: was recruiting the black this would have been late sixties,

768
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: and so when he was telling me a story about

769
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: all his accolades, and I go, so, none of the

770
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 4: schools here, like Mississippi State or Southern didn't recruit you.

771
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: And he goes, Son, he goes, where are you from?

772
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 4: And I told him. He goes, do you realize that

773
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 4: those opportunities weren't available for people like me? And I'm going, oh,

774
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 4: what an idiot? Because those schools didn't start integrated until

775
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 4: their early seventies. Right, So Duffy Doherty and all those

776
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 4: schools up north were coming into Mississippi to recruit all

777
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: those players.

778
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?

779
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: Since you asked the question on Prentice Scott bud Wilkinson,

780
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: this was in nineteen fifty six. Bud Wilkinson was pressured

781
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: against giving Prentice got a scholarship. A group of black

782
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: doctors and pharmacists gave him money to attend the school,

783
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 3: and within a year God had a scholarship and the

784
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: donated money was given to another black student. He became

785
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: a two time All Big Eight player and was academic

786
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: All American and as Mickey said, got his pH d

787
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: in psychology.

788
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 5: So you had two students got Yeah, that's so they

789
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 5: over donated.

790
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: So it was Bud Wilkinson who was the head coach,

791
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: you know.

792
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: And that's why Don Perkins got to New Mexico. He

793
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 4: was from Iowa and uh he got to uh, New

794
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 4: Mexico because they could recruit a black player. Same thing

795
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 4: with the first wide receiver the Cowboys had early he

796
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: had set all their records.

797
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: Ah.

798
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 4: He was from Colorado. Yeah, I'll think of it here

799
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 4: before Drew. Yeah, he and John Wooton were the first

800
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 4: black players at University of Colorado. Uh, and that's how

801
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 4: they got to Colorado from Newxico.

802
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 5: I think he was number eighty it. I think he

803
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 5: was number eighty. I could be wrong.

804
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: Frank Clark, that's it there.

805
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: He was eighty two with a with an eye Frank Clark.

806
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: He was a great player.

807
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but both of them were the first scholarship

808
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: football players at Colorado.

809
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 2: Wow.

810
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so yeah, we forget about how things changed.

811
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 4: And Switzers was right on top of that stuff because

812
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 4: he'd walk into any living room.

813
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: Well, he grew up and crossed at Arkansas, and he

814
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: grew up with black kids.

815
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: He grew up with about Yeah, that's right.

816
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 4: And he was welcomed. That's how he got all the

817
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: Selmon's right.

818
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I thought they were the first

819
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: two because.

820
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 3: And there were three of them, but no three. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

821
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 3: yeah brothers. That's that's like our Remember when I was

822
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: in college there. When I was in college there, the

823
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: Doobie Brothers were doing a concert at the football stadium

824
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: and they had Switzer there, uh for the press conference

825
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: and now said that the Doobie Brothers are coming to town.

826
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: But anyway, but what I.

827
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: Remember is Switzer's commed. He said, well, I don't know

828
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: anything about the Doobie Brothers, but is there anything like

829
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: the Sealman brothers. They'll do real well here.

830
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

831
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: They were Selvin Brothers are from Ufalla, Oklahoma, same hometown

832
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: as J. C.

833
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 2: Watts.

834
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 5: And you did have a community of a well well

835
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 5: to do blacks in that area in Oklahoma. And that's

836
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 5: why I think they were able to kind of put

837
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 5: that money up so that you can sign uh gault.

838
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: Friend Scott.

839
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 4: So the Salmon Brothers that was mid That was early.

840
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 2: Early seventies.

841
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 4: I had to watch him kick Missouri's ass so many times. God,

842
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: they were good, I remember, and Billy Sims.

843
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: Larry Lacewell was a defensive coordinator bringing it back to

844
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: the cow Wow, and Larry Lacewell was Switzer's defensive coordinator.

845
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: And I remember Lacewell later saying that, yeah, when we

846
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 3: were we had the Selman brothers and Rod Showed and

847
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: George Cumby and all these guys, and we were on

848
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: the bus going to the Cotton Bowl in nineteen seventy

849
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 3: three or whatever, and Lacewell turned to Switzer and said, well, hell,

850
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: if we can't beat this team with these.

851
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 4: Guys, and we might as well get out of coaching.

852
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.

853
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: And they had a string there of like five straight years.

854
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 4: Company was one of my favorite players to watch.

855
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: Oh he was so.

856
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 5: I think what Oklahoma did for me was show how

857
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 5: beautiful the running game can be, because back then it

858
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 5: was all about the running game.

859
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: Uh even can you imagine if a team did it

860
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: now Vanderbilt kind of doing it with their misdirection stuff,

861
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 3: and yeah's right.

862
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the kid cussing on TV like you did,

863
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: because teams, I.

864
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 4: Can't prepare for it.

865
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: What an interview? What an interview? Oh my god, we

866
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: didn't even talk about that.

867
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 3: Teams don't prepare for to stop the option, you know,

868
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: and so.

869
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 5: But to me, it was not just it was the

870
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 5: way that you know, guys like Billy Simms, Greg Pruitt.

871
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: The way they were to Washington.

872
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, the way they were able to maneuver themselves to

873
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 5: a secondary, you know, missing tackles. They knew that if

874
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 5: it was three in front of them, based on how

875
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 5: it was they were lined up, they knew that that

876
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 5: was not going to deter them from going to the

877
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 5: end zone. And watching that, believe or not. I grew

878
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 5: up as a running back.

879
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: I was.

880
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 5: I was bigger for my age at that time. First

881
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 5: year playing football, I was a running back. I got

882
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 5: like eighteen touchdowns like six games. My dad was running back,

883
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 5: So I was always I had this offenity towards running

884
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 5: backs and the way they did it and watching Oklahoma,

885
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 5: That's why I fell in love with them, just the

886
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 5: way that they did it, the.

887
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 4: Blocking scheme, seeing they put three of them out there.

888
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: And yeah, even the backup, the best one, their best team,

889
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: boyshbone team was in seventy eight when Sims won the Heisman.

890
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: Thomas Lott was the quarterback and then the half backs

891
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: were Billy Simms and David over Street and they had

892
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Speaker 3: Kenny King at full back.

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Speaker 2: Crazy bro.

894
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Speaker 3: I remember when all of them high.

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Speaker 5: Draft picks, and I could care less if someone threw

896
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Speaker 5: the ball, I could care less. All I was looking

897
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Speaker 5: for was to just watch them run through there, just

898
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Speaker 5: with the sweetness that they had.

899
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 4: Well, how open you think receivers were when they faked tear?

900
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: Faked tear? Then I'm going to pull it back again.

901
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: Drafted off of.

902
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 3: Oklahoma, but they actually did. They were first round picks.

903
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Speaker 2: Billy Brooks was the.

904
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Speaker 3: First round pick and he only got only got ten

905
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Speaker 3: targets and all of his entire college career ends.

906
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: Crazy. Yeah, they could see it, the scouts, so.

907
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Speaker 3: Forth and by the way, and wrapping it up, it's Switzer.

908
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 3: I know you get criticized and there's time with the Cowboys,

909
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: but when I look back my time covering the Cowboys,

910
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Speaker 3: that was some some of the most fun times.

911
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 5: It was entertaining what you guys want and what do

912
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 5: you want us a coach, It's totally two different things.

913
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Speaker 5: We don't want our coach to be entertaining. We want

914
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 5: our coach to be competent and win. That's all we want.

915
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 5: We don't want him leaving weapons in his lock luggage.

916
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 5: We don't want any of that stuff.

917
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 4: He uh, and usually his his common sense reasoning was always.

918
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Speaker 3: Right on, and his ability to evaluate players.

919
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: And that right.

920
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: I mean, when you're even if you're illegally recruiting, you

921
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: got to figure out which the best players you're gonna

922
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 3: play the money. That's right, that's right.

923
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 4: You can can't be wasted.

924
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 3: If you can't evaluate talent, then you're giving the money

925
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Speaker 3: to the wrong people.

926
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Speaker 2: You can't waste that.

927
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Speaker 4: I'll never forget. After one of those practices at Valley Ranch,

928
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Speaker 4: and he would come out and in the front where

929
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Speaker 4: the entrance was to do is press conference, and some

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00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 4: reporter asked him a question that was just fassinine. It

931
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Speaker 4: was just wrong, right, And he looked at the reporter

932
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 4: and he goes, you don't know what you don't know,

933
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Speaker 4: and believe me, you don't know that. I go, that

934
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 4: was the most brilliant quote, I think, because he was

935
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 4: right right, because they acted like they knew what they

936
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Speaker 4: were and they didn't and that was his quote.

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Speaker 3: That's but Barry, he's his mind. I mean, he is

938
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Speaker 3: as sharp as attack, as far as you know, remembering things,

939
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: remembering people's names.

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Speaker 5: That's why he's still in the casino was making I

941
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 5: want to hear him talk. They want to hear the stories,

942
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 5: and he still knows them, he still remembers them.

943
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 4: And he was the king and all the media bowed

944
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 4: down to him during those days at at.

945
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Speaker 5: I think he's the only one that I talked Jerry,

946
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 5: since he's he only coach that out talked.

947
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jerry, like, hey, I'm leving that.

948
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 3: Opening press conference. Oh yeah, he was announced as the coach.

949
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, so classic.

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Speaker 4: That's what you want to do.

951
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: That's damn sure what you want to Oh man, all right,

952
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: that doesn't We.

953
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 4: Should have had Jella Hanson.

954
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: That'd be good.

955
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, we could still do it.

956
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, arrange that. All right?

957
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 4: Okay, see what I could do.

958
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: I'm on the show. It might come from this.

959
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 3: Okay, Mickey's got to go watch practice and it's right

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00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: and we'll talk at you again tomorrow and noon for

961
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Speaker 3: Mick shots.

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Speaker 2: So Cowboys.

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