Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. Holl that for me. I'm
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the solid verbal Boys and girls. My
Speaker 2: name is ty Hillebrand, joining me as always over there
Speaker 2: in beautiful Chicago, Illinois.
Speaker 1: The one, the only, the.
Speaker 2: Illustrious, the incomparable, the man with the plan. Dan Rubenstein, sir,
Speaker 2: how are you? I'm good, But today's show is not
Speaker 2: about me. It's about us for sure, but.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily about your guy. Damn. I am thrilled
Speaker 1: to be here today as always. I actually took a
Speaker 1: shower for the occasion right before, so I just I
Speaker 1: would cleanse myself of the past. Yeah, can be as
Speaker 1: future looking as I could possibly be. So I'm very
Speaker 1: excited for the show. We are continuing questions we've got.
Speaker 1: We were sort of inundated with questions via all of
Speaker 1: our social platforms and email, and a lot of good
Speaker 1: ones came in a little after the horn from Tuesday's show,
Speaker 1: so we figured we'd answer a bunch of questions. But
Speaker 1: it's also a pretty big news day for the solid verbal,
Speaker 1: is it not? It is?
Speaker 2: Indeed, we will get into our news here momentarily. A
Speaker 2: lot to report. We've been very busy this off season
Speaker 2: planning out all sorts of fun things for all y'all,
Speaker 2: which we're going to get into here momentarily. But before
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Speaker 2: Whoa at SVHQ Dan, Yes, I would say so myself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: why don't we just get into it.
Speaker 1: We have Brooket News.
Speaker 2: So first and foremost we should add that starting next week,
Speaker 2: we are going to switch up our cadence. You're only
Speaker 2: gonna get two shows next week, but those two shows
Speaker 2: are going to be on Wednesday and Friday, and that
Speaker 2: is in preparation for our full blown switch to three
Speaker 2: episodes a week, which happens every year around this time.
Speaker 2: But starting next Friday, we are kicking things off with
Speaker 2: our ACC preview, the first of two ACC.
Speaker 1: Previews Bop Bup, Bup, Bup, Bye Up ACC and American
Speaker 1: Athletic Conference.
Speaker 2: Previews Strike Me Down, Strike Me Down. Also talking about
Speaker 2: the AAC. Yeah, yeah, we have broken all the Power
Speaker 2: five conferences into two shows, so each of the Power
Speaker 2: five they will have two different preview episodes. We're trying
Speaker 2: to split it up as best we can give each
Speaker 2: division it's due.
Speaker 1: Of course, the Big Twelve is a.
Speaker 2: Little bit different, being so there's only ten teams. We
Speaker 2: split that up accordingly as well. So as we get closer.
Speaker 1: Bowl Double Texas preview, we'll talk we'll talk more about that.
Speaker 2: But for all intents and purposes, starting up next week,
Speaker 2: specifically next Friday, you will get your first crack at
Speaker 2: preview episodes from Dan and I and all things solid
Speaker 2: verbal But Wednesday, Friday, and then here to four, Dan,
Speaker 2: it will be Monday, Wednesday, Friday all throughout the rest
Speaker 2: of the college football season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and let me emphasize because you said Power five conferences,
Speaker 1: which is true, but the G fives are divisioned off
Speaker 1: as well, so that there is going to be each
Speaker 1: episode is going to be a division of a Group
Speaker 1: of five conference and a division of a Power five conference.
Speaker 1: And I think seeking our teeth more than we ever have,
Speaker 1: I would say, into G five, not just in previewing,
Speaker 1: but the hope is the season at large. Obviously some
Speaker 1: weeks it gets ahead of us, gets away from us.
Speaker 1: But I'm more excited and I talked about this on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: The roster of quarterbacks returning for Group of five teams
Speaker 1: has me particularly Jazz Top. Yeah, so I'm as excited
Speaker 1: for G five football as it's I mean, it's FBS football,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk independence. Of course, we've worked them into
Speaker 1: the mix as well, So we have a lot of
Speaker 1: research and takes and big picture thoughts in the coming days,
Speaker 1: weeks and months. Breaking news drop too.
Speaker 2: Also starting up next Friday, the much awaited, the much
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Speaker 2: the day, you wrote a piece called the click Chorus.
Speaker 2: Oh you tried so hard to say that smoothly, which
Speaker 2: was every bit as immature as I think it was
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 2: Starting up next Friday, we have now actually taken a
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Speaker 2: on July the twenty third, in tandem with the start
Speaker 2: of our previews Peek.
Speaker 1: Behind the Curtain, our website has been able to handle
Speaker 1: written content for three hours. Yeah, but it's able. It
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Speaker 2: It will be ready one week from tomorrow for those
Speaker 2: of you listening on Thursday, Yes, the fifteenth. And we
Speaker 2: are excited about this. It's an exciting next step for us. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, We've got some really fun things planned. We're excited.
Speaker 1: The breaking news.
Speaker 2: Yeah that in our little, solid verbal universe may actually
Speaker 2: break the news in a literal sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is is this the biggest piece of news
Speaker 1: as it relates to our show specifically. We've partnered with
Speaker 1: other places that you know, everything has been really fun
Speaker 1: talking to other people. We've done all sorts of things
Speaker 1: to advance and grow the show successfully. I might not
Speaker 1: that I'm very proud of, but just within the confines
Speaker 1: of these audio walls, breaking new this is pretty big,
Speaker 1: breaking news, Floria yours.
Speaker 2: We have had all sorts of excitement along the way
Speaker 2: over the last decade plus of doing this podcast. And Dan,
Speaker 2: what is the what is the first question that you
Speaker 2: and I get asked anytime we go out in the road,
Speaker 2: anytime we open up the floor frankly for questions from
Speaker 2: the Verballer hood, be it in person or virtually. What
Speaker 2: is that first question that we get asked?
Speaker 1: Are you going to shut down the show at the
Speaker 1: end of the twenty twenty one season as you've always promised?
Speaker 1: Now maybe I can see how this goes the first
Speaker 1: question that's always asked. I think I might have I
Speaker 1: scared eleven people by saying that. The first question we're
Speaker 1: always asked is can Ty can you tell us what
Speaker 1: your secret day job is? What's your secret day job?
Speaker 2: Ty?
Speaker 1: What's the what do you do when you're not broadcasting?
Speaker 1: What do you h what pays the bills? What's that
Speaker 1: mysterious day job? What is the m d J?
Speaker 2: Dan? What is the mysterious day job? Anytime I go
Speaker 2: out in the road, people want to know. We've kept
Speaker 2: it a relative mystery for the better part of the
Speaker 2: last decade, now decade plus, of doing this show. I
Speaker 2: am pleased, I am excited. I am overjoyed to announce
Speaker 2: that starting today, literally today Dan July the fifteenth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, the mysterious day job is no longer mysterious.
Speaker 2: The actual day job is now the solidverbal that is
Speaker 2: I like I had the warm fuzzies just erupted in
Speaker 2: my heart. Ty as of now officially officially official. Literally
Speaker 2: today people use literally too much no no literally today
Speaker 2: literally literally today was my last day at the previous
Speaker 2: mysterious day job. And starting like right now as people
Speaker 2: are listening to this, m I am full time, solidverbal
Speaker 2: and I am thrilled to be here. I honestly when
Speaker 2: we started this never thought it would get here, right.
Speaker 2: It finally came to a point where it's go big
Speaker 2: or go home. And if we are serious about creating
Speaker 2: out this universe and making it as good as you
Speaker 2: and I both know it can be, it's going to
Speaker 2: require all hands on deck, and that certainly includes one
Speaker 2: of the founding members of the show, not just you.
Speaker 2: So here I am man. You got me for the
Speaker 2: foreseeable future. Let's see what we can build.
Speaker 1: I am a loss for words, which if anybody's listened
Speaker 1: to the show for a while, you know that's very
Speaker 1: difficult for me. But I'm at a loss for words.
Speaker 1: I am incredibly proud of you. I am incredibly overjoyed
Speaker 1: for what we're going to make. And it's not just this,
Speaker 1: It's not just what you're listening to. This is solid
Speaker 1: verbal media. This is expanding this universe. This is partnering
Speaker 1: with people to make new shows, empowering people. That shows
Speaker 1: that we are not on like, the possibilities are pretty endless.
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of interest in doing things like
Speaker 1: this and in expanding this universe, and we haven't been
Speaker 1: fully able to do it. And it's not just because
Speaker 1: of your day job. I had a long time, full
Speaker 1: time gig as well. It just happened to be in
Speaker 1: sports media. But we have had to turn down opportunities
Speaker 1: because I was unable to because of that job. And
Speaker 1: so now we are fully unencumbered and I have had
Speaker 1: opportunities since leaving that job that I have no intention
Speaker 1: of pursuing anymore because this is where my heart is,
Speaker 1: this is where, this is where my ass is. Ty.
Speaker 1: It's in this chair about making a show and making
Speaker 1: a thing with you and the people we make these
Speaker 1: things with.
Speaker 2: So it's very exciting. It's a long time coming. Well,
Speaker 2: we started this back in two thousand and eight. I
Speaker 2: had always hoped that maybe you could get to this point, but.
Speaker 1: Just couldn't couldn't see the path.
Speaker 2: Here we are and with all that I mean says, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's I have a question for you though, Oh please,
Speaker 2: what was the mysterious day job?
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny we should ask Dan because.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to yell at again. I need to
Speaker 2: try and preserve the pipes. Now, this is what I
Speaker 2: do for a living. Please excuse me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you go on out to our patreon
Speaker 2: for Ballers dot com, as of noon Eastern on July
Speaker 2: the fifteenth, when many of you are listening to this show,
Speaker 2: we will be making our updated Patreon benefit Tears Live. Now. Look,
Speaker 2: this is not me shilling for money, yeah sir, but
Speaker 2: but it kind of is. In light of the news
Speaker 2: that we just shared, Patreon support is now a little
Speaker 2: bit more important to keeping the lights on than it
Speaker 2: was previously.
Speaker 1: So oh, it definitely is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go on out again noon Eastern time, July the fifteenth, Thursday,
Speaker 2: if you are interested or just if you're curious about
Speaker 2: what we have to offer. Your support is very much encouraged,
Speaker 2: very much appreciated, And starting on what July the sixteenth, tomorrow, Yes,
Speaker 2: we're going to be dropping a show where we go
Speaker 2: into painstaking detail about that mysterious day job. We're going
Speaker 2: to demystify long last the MDJ. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: it through. You're going to interview me about what's going on,
Speaker 2: and we're just gonna we're just gonna fully steer into
Speaker 2: this as a cornerstone of the soliverbal community and talk
Speaker 2: it through. That is a Patreon only show, Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, this is I mean, I know you're a little
Speaker 1: bit bashful about it, but this is what we do.
Speaker 1: This is this is the bread and butter, This is
Speaker 1: the nine to five and it really is more like
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Speaker 1: studying six five am during the season, and so we
Speaker 1: really do need your support we do to not just
Speaker 1: keep the lights on, but just keep doing the show,
Speaker 1: keep building the show, and you know, the I think
Speaker 1: the benefits are terrific, and I if I can be frank,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty pumped to do some of the things that
Speaker 1: we have down there that we've never done. But we
Speaker 1: found that the majority of people who are supporting us
Speaker 1: on Patreon, they just like the show and they happen
Speaker 1: to like the way that we make shows and so
Speaker 1: they want to support that. So if that's you. You
Speaker 1: don't have to, but it would be really cool. It
Speaker 1: would be considerable, very cool. That's it.
Speaker 2: If you decide that you want to support again, it's
Speaker 2: Verballers dot com. For more information on how to get involved,
Speaker 2: how to support the show. You can get access to
Speaker 2: the MDJ Demystification special that is going to drop again
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Speaker 1: On Friday.
Speaker 2: But look, I am thrilled. I am now full time
Speaker 2: Solid Verbal. If there are anybody out there looking for
Speaker 2: help on podcast projects or consultation or anything like that,
Speaker 2: I can talk more about that and maybe what are
Speaker 2: some of the the additional plans I have for myself
Speaker 2: now beyond just doing this. But this is obviously going
Speaker 2: to be the focal point of my day to day,
Speaker 2: and you've.
Speaker 1: Actually turned out, by the way you've turned out, opportunities
Speaker 1: for that I have.
Speaker 2: I have, and I don't want to turn those down anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't want to turn those down anymore because the
Speaker 2: podcasting medium is just so damn exciting right now. So
Speaker 2: if there's opportunity out there, if people need help, if
Speaker 2: they need some consultation, whatever, hit me up Solid Verbal
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Speaker 2: but for the here and now, the focal point is
Speaker 2: where we're taking the solid verbal, where we're taking this
Speaker 2: little media universe that you and I are trying to build.
Speaker 2: And I'm excited. Let's do it, Spicy, Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Let's get to those emails. Though we had an overflowing inbox, Dan, Yes, congratulations, Skippy,
Speaker 2: you've got.
Speaker 1: Mailed, You've got mail.
Speaker 2: On the solid verbal, just as we did on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: We're going to do our best now to pay omage
Speaker 2: to the ever ballerhood, many of whom wrote in on
Speaker 2: plain old fashioned emailsolverbal at gmail dot com. We also
Speaker 2: had questions on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and read
Speaker 2: it where else discord of course.
Speaker 1: To the Patriots community.
Speaker 2: We're trying to really tap into the area that is
Speaker 2: the verballerhood, Dan, Where do we want to go? This
Speaker 2: is a continuation of the show that we did on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: As I slapped my microphone here because I'm all excited, what.
Speaker 1: Do we want to go? Because we have a long
Speaker 1: list of questions that we did not get through. Vick
Speaker 1: wants to know if Arkansas were I think it's we're
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve right now. How many wins would
Speaker 1: they have and where would they rank among Big twelve programs.
Speaker 1: This was, by the way, something floated by I believe
Speaker 1: it was David Ubben. That's saying, sure, everybody should love
Speaker 1: to be in either the Big Ten or SEC. But
Speaker 1: for a program like Arkansas, with its roots obviously in
Speaker 1: the Southwest Conference tie and a little conference you might
Speaker 1: be familiar with, and you know the alignment with the
Speaker 1: Texas schools historically, that perhaps Arkansas would have a higher
Speaker 1: profile program. I believe that was the gist, right, it
Speaker 1: was a few weeks old. So what do you think
Speaker 1: the status of Arkansas would be as a Big twelve program?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's hard for me to separate out
Speaker 2: the progress that Sam Pittman made in year one in Fayetteville,
Speaker 2: from what I know, is just a total banger.
Speaker 1: Of a schedule. It's really going to be hard for Arkansas.
Speaker 1: I think this is just more big picture, like what
Speaker 1: is what would your perception be of Arkansas as a
Speaker 1: Big twelve team, given the power of their current division
Speaker 1: and given the sort of all over the place nature
Speaker 1: a conference in the Big twelve that has seen a
Speaker 1: number of teams bubble to the National Service. Most recently
Speaker 1: Iowa State. But we've had you know, Baylor and TCU, obviously, Texas, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. These are all teams in playoff for National
Speaker 1: Chainampionship conversations into the last what decade Oklahoma State that
Speaker 1: was a twenty eleven season where they lost Iowa State.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot more of an inevitability to the
Speaker 1: SEC than there is to the Big Twelve. One hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And by the way, we'll get an early read on
Speaker 2: this because Arkansas does play Texas. That was a game
Speaker 2: that I talked about in Week two where Arkansas is
Speaker 2: only a three and.
Speaker 1: A half point dog.
Speaker 2: So look, I don't think that line is right, but
Speaker 2: if that's any indication, Vegas feels pretty okay about how
Speaker 2: Arkansas would do if it played against some of the
Speaker 2: better teams in the Big Twelve. What I talked about
Speaker 2: on Tuesday show because we had a question about where
Speaker 2: does TCU rank.
Speaker 1: Is TCU in.
Speaker 2: Any position to mount a dark horse campaign for the
Speaker 2: Big Twelve. I think the answer to that is no,
Speaker 2: because I think TCU falls into like that five spot
Speaker 2: and the Big Twelve. There are four teams that I'd
Speaker 2: be inclined to put above them. I think you could
Speaker 2: put Arkansas kind of in that discussion. What I like
Speaker 2: about Arkansas's that they bring a lot back, bring a
Speaker 2: lot back. I think, so everybody does this here, everybody.
Speaker 1: Does this year. Yeah, and that's because the circumstances a year.
Speaker 1: But for a young program with by young, I mean
Speaker 1: a second year head coach, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, nineteen returning starters from a year ago
Speaker 2: for Arkansas, I feel like they could. And the other
Speaker 2: thing about them is they play really hard. We saw
Speaker 2: that last year. You know. That's the thing for me.
Speaker 2: I like teams that fight to the end, and Sam
Speaker 2: Pittman had Arkansas in a lot of those games. So
Speaker 2: I would be inclined to put them middle of the
Speaker 2: pack in the Big Twelve going into the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one season. If roles were somewhat reversed. I still don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm putting them above certainly the top tier
Speaker 2: of that division or that conference. Excuse me, the likes
Speaker 2: of Oklahoma, the likes of Texas, Like, it's just I
Speaker 2: don't think it's there yet. But I think they're solidly
Speaker 2: middle of the pack, and I think they play hard,
Speaker 2: they fight every team tooth and nail.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating to think about what how expectations among boosters
Speaker 1: and fans and administrators is like. Whereas in the SEC West,
Speaker 1: I think they're largely tempered because everybody basically has to say, okay,
Speaker 1: well we have you know, there's a goliath. There's an elephant,
Speaker 1: a literal elephant sometimes, so that used to be a
Speaker 1: little elephant I think on Alabama's campus, but there is
Speaker 1: an elephant in the SEC West room where Arkansas has
Speaker 1: the expectation of being a winning program and a good
Speaker 1: winning program. But there's probably a ceiling. It's what it
Speaker 1: seems right now, barring any sort of five star, no
Speaker 1: brain or quarterback who is like a hog legacy or
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. Not to put this down, but like
Speaker 1: those types of players aren't necessarily gravitating towards Fayetteville. So
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve, all of the sudden in what
Speaker 1: we perceive, even though Oklahoma's dominated, it to be a
Speaker 1: little more wide open of a conference. I think the
Speaker 1: expectations are raised, so then maybe there's more money going
Speaker 1: into the program from boosters or anything like that. But
Speaker 1: it's also a situation where you've got to win quicker
Speaker 1: than you have to win in the SA. So it's
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of different angles to it.
Speaker 1: But I think with the talent Arkansas could attract and
Speaker 1: the size of a program that it is, in the
Speaker 1: expectations and the focus that the program receives, I would
Speaker 1: say that they should be a perennial eight win program
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve. Now, right now they're playing eight
Speaker 1: conference games and the Big Twelve they'd be playing nine.
Speaker 1: So or that's what they're playing right now. So whatever,
Speaker 1: you're going through a weird exercise here where you're adding
Speaker 1: a team to the Big Twelve, but that's where they're
Speaker 1: at right now. But I think from a pure competitive standpoint,
Speaker 1: Arkansas would be good in the Big twelve. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it gets them necessarily closer to a playoff conversation,
Speaker 1: but now that we have twelve, everybody's closer to the
Speaker 1: playoff conversation. But I don't know if they're able to
Speaker 1: build a team to compete with the best of the nation.
Speaker 1: But I think it's an interesting thought exercise. It's just
Speaker 1: it's an interesting thought exercise. And again I'll use the
Speaker 1: early Vegas lines as something of an indicator because we
Speaker 1: saw where Texas was relative to a team like TCU.
Speaker 1: The early line is that TCU is favored by a
Speaker 1: point and a half over Texas. Now I don't agree
Speaker 1: with that, but if you extrapo laid out where Arkansas
Speaker 1: would be on that same scale. Being so Arkansas is
Speaker 1: a three and a half dog against Texas, what that
Speaker 1: tells me is that Vegas would have TCU favored by
Speaker 1: five points over Arkansas.
Speaker 2: I think what I get out of that is that
Speaker 2: Vegas would have Arkansas within a touchdown of probably everybody
Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve, with the exception of Oklahoma. So
Speaker 2: they're certainly in the conversation. It's a weird thought exercise,
Speaker 2: mind you, I get it, but at least within the
Speaker 2: confines of twenty twenty one here, I think it means
Speaker 2: they'd be competitive in that conference.
Speaker 1: The fascinating thing is if you go back to the
Speaker 1: best recent Arkansas team, which I believe was twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: it was a team that I mean, they were like
Speaker 1: a seven and sixteen whatever Arkansas's record was when they
Speaker 1: had that. If you remember incredible defense. They shut out
Speaker 1: both Ole Miss and LSU I believe, and they the
Speaker 1: Alabama game was something like thirteen to twelve, twelve to eleven, like,
Speaker 1: it was a really really tight game. That was at
Speaker 1: the time that TCU and Baylor were playing sixty one
Speaker 1: to fifty eight games. So, if we are going to
Speaker 1: fully extrapolate this thought process, this thought experiment, what does
Speaker 1: Arkansas look like relative to the top of the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve that season the first year of the playoff. That's
Speaker 1: kind of fascinating that they were a bruiser of a
Speaker 1: team that nobody wanted any part of, especially in the
Speaker 1: back half of that year. I think that was the
Speaker 1: at the borderline Erotic Bowl, that's correct. That's to me
Speaker 1: is really interesting. The contrast that we did see these
Speaker 1: I mean not last year, but the couple of years
Speaker 1: before that. Baylor have tremendous success with sort of zag
Speaker 1: in a conference that hadn't fully zagged from its normal
Speaker 1: zig with the focus on defense and ball control, which
Speaker 1: Baylor succeeded doing. So. No, it's fascinating. But does Chad
Speaker 1: Morris have a lot of success with Arkansas in the
Speaker 1: Big Twelve? Probably not? Probably not, So they're still running
Speaker 1: into some of those same issues. Where are we going
Speaker 1: next here? You tell me you're the big big news
Speaker 1: tie here, big big news tie. Yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: big news show on the solid verbal. TJ wants to
Speaker 1: know if it's going to be Dino Baber's last year
Speaker 1: at Syracuse. TJ.
Speaker 2: Longtime listener of the solid verb, Right, TJ. What can
Speaker 2: Dino realistically do to save himself?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: So I have two questions about this. First off, how
Speaker 2: much of a quick hook does Syracuse have slash should
Speaker 2: they have if they're being realistic about their football program?
Speaker 2: And I don't mean that in a demeaning way, but
Speaker 2: it is Syracuse, but there's not a whole lot of
Speaker 2: recent success to hang your hat on. And secondly, if
Speaker 2: not Dino, then who where would you go? If not
Speaker 2: Dino Baber's I happen to like Dino Baber is a
Speaker 2: great deal. What does he have to do? I think
Speaker 2: he has to show some sort of forward momentum. They
Speaker 2: are still kind of digging out from the grungy Eric
Speaker 2: Dungeon years, and by digging out, I mean trying to
Speaker 2: re establish themselves, trying to plant the new tent pole
Speaker 2: around which they can build, around which they can establish
Speaker 2: some momentum that has not happened yet. So what are
Speaker 2: your thoughts here?
Speaker 1: I think it just sort of a dollars and cents thing.
Speaker 1: I'm saying this right now. The buyout this is as
Speaker 1: of last fall, Babers reportedly. This is from Daily Orange
Speaker 1: dot com. Baber's reportedly has four years remaining on a
Speaker 1: contract extension he signed two years ago, and a buyout
Speaker 1: could cost more than seventeen million dollars. Wild Hack John Wildhack,
Speaker 1: former ESPN higher up who's now running the Syracuse Athletic Department,
Speaker 1: said he and Babers will meet after this season evaluate
Speaker 1: what went wrong, as they do every year. So even
Speaker 1: if that buyout is coming down, has come down, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a clause that you know, as of January
Speaker 1: one or whatever, if he's still the coach. Even if
Speaker 1: it has come down, it's probably in the double digits.
Speaker 1: And now is not an amazing time for a very
Speaker 1: down program as Syracuse has become since their success a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, to cut that kind of check. So, man,
Speaker 1: if if they are disaster once again, and I always
Speaker 1: look to the side of the ball where the head
Speaker 1: coach has history, fair or not, and his offensive history.
Speaker 1: And they talked about, you know, playing with pace and
Speaker 1: like a power spread, we're going to go deep, but
Speaker 1: then we're going to hit people with the eye and
Speaker 1: like it just hasn't worked. They're like last year's defense
Speaker 1: showed some signs of life and I like the high
Speaker 1: art coordinator they made there. But even still, you look
Speaker 1: to recruiting for potential energy in the future, and that
Speaker 1: hasn't necessarily been lately. So what would it take, I
Speaker 1: mean anything short of a bowl game. I think there's
Speaker 1: a good chance that he is looking for a new gig.
Speaker 1: But man, that's it's a big, big check to cut.
Speaker 1: It's a big check. That's a lot. He had recent success.
Speaker 1: But if there's any element of Syracuse football that and
Speaker 1: I like this word a lot, is a calamity this
Speaker 1: ball in the way that their offense has been and
Speaker 1: I know they've been snake bitten and they were missing
Speaker 1: players and you know, so I think the excuses will
Speaker 1: be less so this year in terms of how you know,
Speaker 1: meaningful those excuses are. But if if it's just a
Speaker 1: disaster on offense, once again, I don't know what there
Speaker 1: is beyond the cash you would owe him to say
Speaker 1: we got to keep this thing going. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Alec. This is a question that I
Speaker 2: feel like we've addressed in some way, shape or form
Speaker 2: over the last couple months. But it's a good thought experiment.
Speaker 2: We're really just we're using We're using the bean today.
Speaker 2: Dan got a lot going on. We're excited. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about potential Nick Saban replacements, if and when he's changed, and.
Speaker 1: Is has anything changed in your mind this offseason about
Speaker 1: Nick Saban's long term viability viability is the wrong word,
Speaker 1: but his long term plan and who might replace him? No, No,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Nobody to me gives me a great answer. Okay, and
Speaker 2: I guess I guess the most obvious would be, Well,
Speaker 2: here here's the question. So the question is, with sark
Speaker 2: off to Texas, with Dabo entrenched at Clemson, is Mario
Speaker 2: Cristobal the favorite to replace Nick Saban someday? The question
Speaker 2: might not be answered for some time with Saban's new contract,
Speaker 2: but I can't decide if I think he'll make it
Speaker 2: all the way to twenty twenty nines, twenty twenty nine,
Speaker 2: eight years from now, hold Saban gonna be in that case,
Speaker 2: he can be like eighty years old or close to it.
Speaker 1: What you're saying twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 2: I can't decide if I think he'll make it all
Speaker 2: the way to twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Alex's question. So Nick Saban is currently
Speaker 1: sixty nine years old. His birthday's on Halloween, So in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine, if my math works, so he's turning
Speaker 1: seventy this year, So in eight years he'll be seventy
Speaker 1: eight years old. Seventy eight years old, Yeah, okay, during
Speaker 1: the season, he'll be turning seventy eight. Saban could make
Speaker 1: it to seventy eight as head coach of Bama. Good
Speaker 1: because the program's clearly at critical mass at this point.
Speaker 2: It recruits itself. I'm not saying it's easy to maintain
Speaker 2: this level of just incredible prodentiality and yeah, yeah, everything
Speaker 2: about it's nearly impossible on any other in any other context.
Speaker 2: But because he has shown such a proclivity to bring
Speaker 2: in new assistance here over year maintain that high production,
Speaker 2: he's a guy who could do it. He could do it,
Speaker 2: and I don't think it would It would be any
Speaker 2: any just greater feat than we've already seen. So it's
Speaker 2: possible that he could stick around. But let's go through
Speaker 2: the exercise. Nick Saban announces, let's say two years from now,
Speaker 2: that he's retiring, Dabo Sweeney presumably is going to continue
Speaker 2: his glide path at Clemson because recruiting has been strong.
Speaker 2: Let's also give Sark benefit of the doubt. Let's give
Speaker 2: Mary Chrystopaul benefit of the doubt because recruiting has been
Speaker 2: strong at organ as well. And let's as Sark can
Speaker 2: more difficult for sure at Oregon to recruit a top
Speaker 2: five class than it is in Tuscaloosa. But yes, correct,
Speaker 2: So I guess my question would be if you are
Speaker 2: if you are Alabama and you know that there is
Speaker 2: a tie in with Dabo Swinny, isn't he your first call?
Speaker 1: Probably? But you know, we're not privy to the relationship
Speaker 1: behind the scenes between you know, the ad and Dabbo
Speaker 1: and the moneyed people and Dabbo and seeing as how
Speaker 1: they they clash the national championships, and what they think
Speaker 1: the optics are of going after him to lead your
Speaker 1: program after battling. I know Saban and Dabo are pretty
Speaker 1: friendly and they have vacation together, but I almost don't
Speaker 1: think we know the name yet, Like I don't think
Speaker 1: like I think Alabama in the way that you know,
Speaker 1: Richrod was that up and comer and obviously wasn't hired
Speaker 1: way back in two thousand and seven. But it's going
Speaker 1: to be somebody, probably on the younger side, who's proven
Speaker 1: an ability to win big and recruit really well. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's Clink and Riley, because I think
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma job is a pretty uniquely amazing position. But
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be somebody on the younger side.
Speaker 1: And you know, if it's Mario Chris Paul, who is
Speaker 1: you know, younger but not that young, that's an impossible job.
Speaker 1: And so Mario christ of all has or Mario as
Speaker 1: it were, has a pretty amazing path to the postseason
Speaker 1: right now in the Pac twelve as it's currently constituted.
Speaker 1: Maybe USC eventually hires a killer in Washington, you know,
Speaker 1: has a you know, whether it's a Jimmy Lake or
Speaker 1: somebody else, And I don't know, whatever the path, maybe
Speaker 1: it gets increasingly difficult. But traditionally it's only been one
Speaker 1: or two teams at the top of the PAC twelve,
Speaker 1: not a situation like where the SEC has you know,
Speaker 1: up Lsu years and up Floorida years and up Georgia
Speaker 1: years and up Auburn years. So whoever it is has
Speaker 1: to know that they're going to make ten million dollars
Speaker 1: a year and whatever happens happens, because following Saban is
Speaker 1: just you're setting yourself up for failure. So you know,
Speaker 1: if if that's I'm I'm saying that, I am not
Speaker 1: saying it's going to be a coach who only is
Speaker 1: doing it for the cash, But that's going to be
Speaker 1: an element of knowing you're set up to fail given
Speaker 1: the expectations, the other worldly, unprecedented expectations in Tuscaloosa. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's probably not going to be somebody like
Speaker 1: Ryan Day, probably not going to be somebody like Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 1: I really do believe that it's going to be a
Speaker 1: name of somebody that is currently thirty eight to forty four, okay,
Speaker 1: and whether that's Matt Campbell, whether that's my guy Jeff Hafley, boy.
Speaker 1: You know, like, I think it's going to be from
Speaker 1: that generation of coaches, and whoever ends up looking like
Speaker 1: the sort of top of that pyramid, I think that's
Speaker 1: who is ultimately going to get that gig. But I
Speaker 1: think there's going to be more wariness than expected because
Speaker 1: of the job Nick Saban is done getting everybody in
Speaker 1: line in Tuscaloosa and in the Alabama football universe behind
Speaker 1: him that he's able to exceed expectations. Almost it's just
Speaker 1: who what ever gets that job is going to be fired. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think. I don't think you need
Speaker 1: to go super youthful with that selection. I think by
Speaker 1: then they won't be youthful. I'm saying right now they're
Speaker 1: like thirty eight to forty four, right, But I'm saying
Speaker 1: two years, let's say two or three years from now.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Ipothetically speaking, I don't think you need to go crazy
Speaker 2: young with your coaching selection. I think you need to
Speaker 2: have somebody in place who you know can continue the momentum.
Speaker 2: That's the most important thing, because they have again achieved
Speaker 2: this incredible success over the last decade under Saban that
Speaker 2: I think they are, more than anything, just craving to
Speaker 2: maintain at that point. And so I think it's a
Speaker 2: guy who's got familiarity with Nick Saban and how he
Speaker 2: went about things. You're trying to keep continuity in place
Speaker 2: as much as possible. Whether that's a guy like a Sark,
Speaker 2: Maybe you go back after him. Maybe that's a guy
Speaker 2: like a Mariot crystobaal who's been on the staff. Lord
Speaker 2: knows pretty much everybody's been on I don't at this point.
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of guys who end up
Speaker 1: leaving Tuscaloosa by their own choice, because that's what ends
Speaker 1: up happening a lot of the time, because they have
Speaker 1: this shine on them from coaching at Alabama. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many of them actually look back fondly at
Speaker 1: their time at Alabama. Yeah, I mean it's it's if
Speaker 1: they were being responsible about it, and if Nick Saban
Speaker 1: was talking to leadership about what his own exit strategy is, right,
Speaker 1: presumably they could go the root of naming the coach
Speaker 1: in waiting and work on that transition plan gradually over
Speaker 1: the course of time.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's going to happen. I don't
Speaker 2: know where Saban's at, but I would hope that for
Speaker 2: Alabama's sake, Nick Saban would have that plan in motion
Speaker 2: because he's a guy who he's a planful guy. Dan
Speaker 2: this is the man of the plan for sure, so
Speaker 2: I'm guessing he's given it some thought. Maybe he's got
Speaker 2: some suitors in mind, and I would help for lou
Speaker 2: Poi toshakoy. I would hope for the sake of the
Speaker 2: BAMA program that they would have some sort of succession
Speaker 2: plan that they could enact. But it's a look, it's
Speaker 2: an interesting thought experiment. My guess is that we'll have
Speaker 2: that conversation many many times over right before it actually
Speaker 2: comes to fruition. Why don't we stay in the sec? Dan,
Speaker 2: This is a good question from.
Speaker 1: Mill of time, Dan Miller time, yeap.
Speaker 2: Why do so many assume that LSU will automatically rebound
Speaker 2: to a new Year's six level in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: I get the talent and experience, but LSU has finished
Speaker 2: with ten or more wins and at top twelve ranking
Speaker 2: just twice in the last seven years, and they are
Speaker 2: breaking in two young first time coordinators twenty nineteen and
Speaker 2: even twenty eighteen are outliers. This feels like, ooh, this stinks.
Speaker 1: This feels like gene Chiswick two point zero. Dan, Oh,
Speaker 1: come on, everybody so quick to compare a situation to
Speaker 1: gene Chiswick or a man who's the other coach? That
Speaker 1: who's the guy now? I'm blanking on his name. The
Speaker 1: Miami coach who followed, Butch Davis, who was out after
Speaker 1: a few years, just couldn't keep it. Larry, Larry, Larry Cocher, Larry,
Speaker 1: thank you. Everybody's very quick. Next Coker.
Speaker 2: Interesting, interesting common ground though here neither Jeene Chiswick nor
Speaker 2: at Orgeron have any sideburns.
Speaker 1: Is that true? At Origeron's are as short as Chiswick's.
Speaker 2: I believe now negative sideburns, which isn't really Jean Chiswick was.
Speaker 1: It was up at eye level coach os sideburns situation,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's it's similar, not as pronounced. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: a head shape thing, but it's similar.
Speaker 2: You're right, So for what it's worth in a battle Royale,
Speaker 2: I take Coacho over Geen Chikay, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: The sideburns are comparable. And clearly we're at a stage
Speaker 2: now with LSU football, in the wake of the Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow era, in the wake of the Joe Brady era,
Speaker 2: in the wake of twenty twenty and the uncertainty where
Speaker 2: you know, there is some question around where where's this
Speaker 2: thing headed. I think recruiting has still been strong. I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of reason to be optimistic. It
Speaker 2: feels like they started to pull it together down the
Speaker 2: stretch last season with Max Johnson in there at quarterback.
Speaker 1: But Gene Chizzwick two point oh dan, that is woo.
Speaker 1: That cuts to the bone, right, it does. Jeane Chiswick
Speaker 1: made some pretty bad hires after losing gusmels On and
Speaker 1: took the offense in a not great place but recruited
Speaker 1: pretty well. The problem with that comparison is ed Origroon
Speaker 1: quickly made the change and he is not the greatest
Speaker 1: track record of finding coaches on either side of the ball,
Speaker 1: coordinators on either side of the ball that just weren't
Speaker 1: fits for a ten win season. And even though you
Speaker 1: know Mack Cannada's offense at LSU had its moments, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a fit with that Orizron and then following Joe
Speaker 1: Brady was going to be pretty impossible. But the combination
Speaker 1: of a new ish look offense, it wasn't that new look,
Speaker 1: but it was, you know, there were new ideas in
Speaker 1: that offense and quarterback injuries and rawness to the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: I thought Miles Brannan was pretty good. The defense was
Speaker 1: a nightmare aains Mississippi State to open the year. So
Speaker 1: if the defense comes back to anywhere near where it
Speaker 1: should be given the talent level and given the schedule
Speaker 1: this year, I mean, you can stop me when I
Speaker 1: get to a quarterback that legitimately scares you. U CLA
Speaker 1: McNeice Central Michigan. I think that's kind of scary, just
Speaker 1: because mca owayn's doing a pretty good job there. But
Speaker 1: I'm not worried. It's at LSU, Auburn, Kentucky, Florida, Ole,
Speaker 1: miss Yeah, that's a quarterback that should scare you, Matt Corrall,
Speaker 1: and it's on the road. We'll see about Bryce Young
Speaker 1: in the quarterback situation. Tusclose, but we don't know yet Arkansas, Monroe, A,
Speaker 1: and m SO right now. The number of proven scaryquarterbacks
Speaker 1: and LSU schedule isn't all that high right now. And
Speaker 1: I think there's just a general assumption that the mistakes,
Speaker 1: given everything that goes into the program and given the
Speaker 1: guys that they got recommendations from regarding these new coordinators,
Speaker 1: I think there's just this assumption that the injury luck
Speaker 1: is going to bounce back. You know, Derek Stingley was
Speaker 1: dealing with some pretty it was hospitalized the night before
Speaker 1: that Mississippi State game, like there were key dudes who
Speaker 1: were dealing with some really serious stuff. So I think
Speaker 1: there is just that assumption that even if LSU traditionally
Speaker 1: is not winning ten eleven games a year, that given
Speaker 1: where they are as compared to the changes and newness
Speaker 1: of the rest of the SEC, that LSU is in
Speaker 1: a pretty good spot. They've got one of the best
Speaker 1: receivers in the country to me and Keisham Boutet, and
Speaker 1: I think there's opportunity there for a poor man's twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Is that nine wins? Is it eleven? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I think we're going to see notes of it
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. And we know Dave
Speaker 1: Randa is an incredible defensive coordinator, and you know, matching
Speaker 1: what he was able to do it else he was
Speaker 1: going to be very difficult. But it's a really nice
Speaker 1: starting point considering the too deep on that defense. So
Speaker 1: I don't think the same mistakes we made on defense,
Speaker 1: and I think they will be healthier on offense, which
Speaker 1: I think leads to a certain degree of optimism.
Speaker 2: I thought we had a blanket policy on this show
Speaker 2: that whenever you said Dave Randa's name, you had to
Speaker 2: use you had to use the lego batman voice.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Look, there is some I think, real discussion to be
Speaker 2: had around where LSU goes from here. Remember what the
Speaker 2: conversation was going into that incredible once in a generation
Speaker 2: season that they had where they ran the table and
Speaker 2: won the championship and Joe Burrow went on to the
Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy in the first overall draft pick. Do you
Speaker 2: remember what the conversation was going into that season. The
Speaker 2: conversation was, we got to fix this offense, and the
Speaker 2: conversation was, maybe Joe Bray he can do it, and
Speaker 2: perhaps ed Orgeron is self aware enough as a coach
Speaker 2: to realize the air in his ways, the flaws of
Speaker 2: the system, and he's gonna go out and he's going
Speaker 2: to try and get better on offense. Now that worked beautifully, obviously, but.
Speaker 1: It's a bit of a cry wolf situation because what
Speaker 1: do we hear every August from every camp, Oh, this
Speaker 1: guy like this guy succeeded at the Manning Passing Academy.
Speaker 1: Thank you, this is there. We're really going to open
Speaker 1: it up this night. Well, That's why we joke about
Speaker 1: new coordinators and new strength coaches attacking mentality. Right defense,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to parse, you know, if you can
Speaker 1: get practice reports behind the scenes and not necessarily writers
Speaker 1: saying you know, sort of just printing what coaches are
Speaker 1: saying without offering you know, better sourcing, it's really hard
Speaker 1: to believe what is actually true and what's not until
Speaker 1: the live bullets start flying. That's one hundred percent the
Speaker 1: case and that and that's my point here with the
Speaker 1: origon So we definitely caught lightning in a bottle the
Speaker 1: year with Joe Burrow when they want everything and they
Speaker 1: were all world everything, and they were incredible once in
Speaker 1: a generation, no doubt about it. Gonna pay no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. It's gonna play with tempo but right, but
Speaker 1: much the way.
Speaker 2: The next guy after Saban has an incredible impossible act
Speaker 2: to follow. I feel like we're kind of in that
Speaker 2: territory now with LSU. How do you build upon that
Speaker 2: once in a generation season. They've got some momentum from it,
Speaker 2: but it's a tough act to follow, and I fear
Speaker 2: for Ed Orgeron that no matter how well they do,
Speaker 2: if they don't live up to that billing. It's it's
Speaker 2: gonna leave fans underwhelmed because it's so close in the
Speaker 2: rear view mirror.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think there is a real likelihood that there's a
Speaker 2: solid bounce back from some uncertainty a year ago, but
Speaker 2: it's just not enough to appease the fan base, and
Speaker 2: that's what I worry about. I root for Amu, I
Speaker 2: root for coach O, but I feel like that is
Speaker 2: a probability at this point, just given how high the
Speaker 2: heights were a.
Speaker 1: Couple seasons ago. Yeah, I mean it's it's basically we're
Speaker 1: going to come down if there's not a special situation
Speaker 1: at quarterback with Lso we're going to be having similar
Speaker 1: conversations as to what we had in twenty thirteen, fourteen, whatever,
Speaker 1: where it's how long can they go nine and three
Speaker 1: and keep coaching? It is okay, how long can they
Speaker 1: keep how long can they keep going nine and three?
Speaker 1: And you know that that might become the question or
Speaker 1: I mean until they get to Bama, all of those
Speaker 1: games on paper are winnable, and then after Bama it's
Speaker 1: Arkansas at home, Monroe at home, A and m at home. No, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go to Christoph for our purposes here, can we
Speaker 1: just assume it is Ed Harris's character in the Truman
Speaker 1: Show always, That's where I was going with it.
Speaker 2: We're in the backwards beret. Let's just assume it's the
Speaker 2: same Christoff.
Speaker 1: He says.
Speaker 2: Next year, James Franklaris is at USC. Okay, Matt Campbell's
Speaker 2: at Michigan. Luke Fickles at Penn State. Who has the
Speaker 2: most success going forward, let's say by twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: So this pretty big coaching carousel here. Sure, if Franklin
Speaker 2: goes to USC, which has been rumored for a long time,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that happens. I don't think Franklin's
Speaker 2: the right move for USC. If I'm being honest, Recruiting
Speaker 2: talent is not their problem. That's what Franklin does well.
Speaker 2: But that's a separate conversation. He's hired good coordinators. Though
Speaker 2: he's hired good coordinators.
Speaker 1: Sure, I enjoyed the work of Shoop and Brent Prye,
Speaker 1: okay and Joe moorehead Yeah, Okay, Fine, that's a separate conversation.
Speaker 1: Franklin goes to USC, Campbell goes to Michigan, Luke Fickles
Speaker 1: at Penn State. Who has the most success going forward?
Speaker 1: Let's say by twenty twenty five. Well, only one of
Speaker 1: those teams as Ohio State in their division, so there's
Speaker 1: the roadblock element. Or excuse me, two of those teams,
Speaker 1: excuse me, the Michigan and Penn State. I would probably
Speaker 1: say James Franklin at USC has the most success. I
Speaker 1: think I would agree with that as well. I don't
Speaker 1: believe USC. I mean, they have annual Notre Dame, but
Speaker 1: they haven't scheduled any big headline September games against Power
Speaker 1: five opponents. You know, I don't believe there's any sort
Speaker 1: of Texas Alabama in Michigan, any of those kinds of
Speaker 1: matchups on their non conference light over these next few years.
Speaker 1: So that's a nice element for your final record. Fickle
Speaker 1: at Penn State, I think would succeed, and I think
Speaker 1: Matt Campbell at Michigan woulducceed. I think they all block. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they'd all do well.
Speaker 2: The problem with a question like this, and we get
Speaker 2: a thousand of them every time we open up the inbox.
Speaker 2: If you're looking four years down the line, you have
Speaker 2: to play a logical a probability game, and that game
Speaker 2: is exactly what you said. Who has the fewest land mines?
Speaker 2: The answer is USC. USC has a built in talent
Speaker 2: advantage being in southern California. If they brought James Franklin over,
Speaker 2: they would clearly have a very gifted recruiter. Say what
Speaker 2: you want about Franklin, he may not be the best.
Speaker 2: Inside two minutes, the dude can recruit.
Speaker 1: No, he recruits and hires really well.
Speaker 2: He recruits and he hires really well, and so that
Speaker 2: would be an attractive spot if you are a top
Speaker 2: recruit to go and play for Franklin in LA. Fewer
Speaker 2: land mines for sure. I think Matt Campbe will be
Speaker 2: great at Michigan. I think Luke Fickle will be fine
Speaker 2: wherever he went, be at Penn State or anywhere else.
Speaker 2: But for sure, the fewest land mines to success in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, definitely USC.
Speaker 1: Okay. But so there's the expectation at all three of
Speaker 1: those programs, especially if the playoff goes to twelve and
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, that these teams consistently are in or
Speaker 1: near the playoff. Yeah, that they should be nothing less
Speaker 1: than top twelve ish annually right, Yeah, no, for sure,
Speaker 1: considering the advantages that Michigan, USC and Penn State have.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Ohio State is a roadblock and USC in
Speaker 1: the conference only really appears to have one major nationalist roadblock,
Speaker 1: which is Oregon, and that's the other side of the conference.
Speaker 1: Michigan has work to do. But if they only lose
Speaker 1: to Ohio State, they'll make the playoff every year.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: If they lose to Penn State and Ohio State, it's trickier,
Speaker 1: but there will be years where they they're in that
Speaker 1: playoff conversation, and they should do no worse than you know,
Speaker 1: splitting every you know, winning every other year against each other,
Speaker 1: Penn State and Michigan, given how strong those programs could
Speaker 1: be with the right coach. So we're still talking about
Speaker 1: the best of all three of those guys being a
Speaker 1: playoff caliber team I think right now, given what the
Speaker 1: divisions look like, because if I mean, if Luke Fickles
Speaker 1: at Penn State and Matt Campbell's at Michigan, they're playing
Speaker 1: each other. So if they're hitting their ceilings as well,
Speaker 1: that's a really tough division along with Ryan Day and
Speaker 1: Ohio State presuming he's still there. So I have more
Speaker 1: faith that the Big ten East will be more difficult
Speaker 1: to navigate long term. I agree with that with those
Speaker 1: three coaches. I agree with that than what the PAC
Speaker 1: twelve South's outlook is, which is beware a Jedfish. Everyone's
Speaker 1: talking about Jedfish. He's actually recruiting pretty well all things considered, like,
Speaker 1: there is decent energy in Tucson, but things are uncertain
Speaker 1: right now in Tempe considering some of the allegations. We
Speaker 1: know Kyle Whittingham is going to feeld a very good
Speaker 1: team more often than not, but that generally has a
Speaker 1: December ceiling. And I guess we'll wait and see on Colorado,
Speaker 1: but I don't think the expectations are super high there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think of a USC, even at eighty
Speaker 1: nine point two percent capacity, he is winning the South
Speaker 1: every year.
Speaker 2: You know why this question is is moot from the jump?
Speaker 2: Why Because we agreed several months ago. Clay Helton's going
Speaker 2: to coach forever. He's never getting fired at USC. Oh man, folks,
Speaker 2: He's never getting fired at USC right now.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the big problem with USC is just
Speaker 1: full university buy in with football.
Speaker 2: That's full university buy in with football. Sure, but he's
Speaker 2: never getting fired. I hope people realize that God never
Speaker 2: going to happen.
Speaker 1: Thrilled? Where do we want to go next? Where do
Speaker 1: we want to go next? You get to pick k
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Speaker 1: this year? Would you advise that I planned my bachelor
Speaker 1: party around attending. Please factor in location, game hype, accessibility,
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Speaker 1: New York. I'd prefer to do a Notre Dame game,
Speaker 1: but I'm struggling to find a home weekend that works
Speaker 1: with my schedule due to weddings and other obligations. I
Speaker 1: work broadly in higher education. A lot of my job
Speaker 1: involves visiting university campuses, which I love, so I'm considering
Speaker 1: opening it up to any college football game. Would love
Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts. Just go to whatever Texas game
Speaker 1: you want to go to. Notre Dame Wisconsin in Chicago,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. You got to go. It's late September, right, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: September sales Twitch. My sales pitch with Chicago is it
Speaker 1: could be really nice in late September. You never know, though,
Speaker 1: it could be really nice. If you want to go
Speaker 1: out on a lake, there's a lake right there. It's
Speaker 1: easy to get back in the city.
Speaker 2: He's in New Yorky City to get to so it's
Speaker 2: a it's a quick flight over to Chicago. I think
Speaker 2: it should be pretty nice in Chicago and to September.
Speaker 2: You're not talking snowflurry. So the only problem with it
Speaker 2: is you're not going to a college town. You're not
Speaker 2: going to a college town. But he said that he
Speaker 2: works broadly in higher education and his job involves visiting
Speaker 2: university campuses, so maybe he doesn't feel the need to
Speaker 2: scratch that itch to go to a campus to watch
Speaker 2: a game. Go to Soldier Field, go to Soldier Field,
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Undel.
Speaker 1: You can you can go to breweries, you can play
Speaker 1: golf if you want a golf, you can eat crazy
Speaker 1: well in Chicago, you can see Notre Dame Wisconsin, which
Speaker 1: legitimately should be a very good game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only the only down part is it might be blustery,
Speaker 1: which is never the most fastory. Though at the end
Speaker 1: of September in Chicago, ty it's the windy city. Okay, true,
Speaker 1: that's that's a reference to politics. But it is the
Speaker 1: windy city. I'm a big fan of Chicago, but I
Speaker 1: could see why Chicago is not the most popular destination
Speaker 1: for bachelor party.
Speaker 2: If you are if you, yeah, if you, that's also
Speaker 2: a good point. But I'm just saying, if you're a
Speaker 2: Notre Dame alam, if you're living in New York, if
Speaker 2: you already have your fill of college campuses, go to
Speaker 2: some place easy to get to. You know, it's a
Speaker 2: big game. Notre Dame Wisconsin should be a big game.
Speaker 2: The jack Cone Bowl.
Speaker 1: We're very excited about the jack Cone Bowl here at saliverbo.
Speaker 1: Go to Chicago. Go to Chicago, get Dan Dan, cook
Speaker 1: him a pizza. You'll do that a full hotels. Well,
Speaker 1: he's got a whole bachelor party. It's not just one pizza.
Speaker 1: You just cook one pizza. One pizza everybody. It's a slice.
Speaker 1: Oh man. Yeah, I just I always like going somewhere
Speaker 1: warm with a bachelor party. Well, you're from California, there's nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Arizona is a nice bachelor party destination, but I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a huge, huge game going on in Arizona.
Speaker 1: In September is still really really hot. But yeah, if
Speaker 1: you want to get out on some water. And if
Speaker 1: you want a golf you can do that most places.
Speaker 1: If you want to eat well, you can do that
Speaker 1: most places. And if seeing Notre Dame football is important
Speaker 1: to him, and maybe he went to Notre Dame and
Speaker 1: has a bunch of Notre Dame buddies, so it's important
Speaker 1: to that group. Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 2: Go to go to Chicago late September, not name Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: That'd be a great tailgating scene, right, I would think
Speaker 2: that'd be an amazing tailgating scene.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what the parking lot is like
Speaker 1: around Soldier Fields. It's never the same inside of a
Speaker 1: city in terms of room and energy.
Speaker 2: But true, true, but that's a wee eat well you
Speaker 2: can you can eat well, you can play in around
Speaker 2: that game.
Speaker 1: Let's go one or two more island. There's a brewery
Speaker 1: on an island in the middle of the city island. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the IPA downstairs.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go one more football and then I
Speaker 2: want to ask my show Hey Otani question.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, you have a lot of what I would
Speaker 1: consider to be problematic show Hey Otani thoughts. But let's
Speaker 1: go we'll get that, Okay, do I cool. Where do
Speaker 1: we want to go into a very topical thing to say,
Speaker 1: let's see what opinion about the sport has changed as
Speaker 1: you got older? That's from D Smith? What a D Smith?
Speaker 1: What opinion about the sport has changed? You out older?
Speaker 1: I've talked about my postseason thing where Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: the worst wistful.
Speaker 2: It's the worst opinion you've ever had. But I still
Speaker 2: love you and now I'm around now. Now my success
Speaker 2: is tied to your success, so I have to try
Speaker 2: and be nice to you about it, which I'll continue
Speaker 2: to do. I grew up with a mother who was
Speaker 2: a lifelong educator mm hmm, taught school for thirty some
Speaker 2: odd years before retiring, and so much of my programming
Speaker 2: as a lad as a ute as a developing college
Speaker 2: football fan, was around the value of a scholarship and
Speaker 2: that a scholarship was good enough.
Speaker 1: A scholarship should be good.
Speaker 2: Enough for some of these student athletes moving on playing
Speaker 2: at the next level. They should be proud to have
Speaker 2: that scholarship.
Speaker 1: It has value.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that opinion for me has drastically changed over the
Speaker 2: years that I've been doing this show, that we've been
Speaker 2: doing this show together, and you know, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to act like we're privy to any kind of advanced
Speaker 2: intel or we see the world through a different lens
Speaker 2: now that we're doing this show. Maybe that's a little
Speaker 2: bit true. But I just feel like, over the course
Speaker 2: of time, as you see these billion dollar deals that
Speaker 2: are being signed by works to cover the games, as you.
Speaker 1: Shoe companies with the schools, yeah, some huge ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I think more importantly as maybe
Speaker 2: the closer you get to this, the more you realize
Speaker 2: how much these institutions own, truly own, these student athletes.
Speaker 2: Every waking moment is given to the program given to
Speaker 2: the football institution at those respective schools. My opinion has
Speaker 2: changed on what the value of that scholarship really is.
Speaker 2: And so I have gone from I think just kind
Speaker 2: of being a hive mind with Mama h and feeling
Speaker 2: that the scholarship should should be good enough to now
Speaker 2: going completely in the opposite direction, full bore, nil, full bore.
Speaker 2: Let's get these kids get paid somehow, some way and
Speaker 2: cash in on their name, image, likeness. So that for me,
Speaker 2: I think, is it's got to be the answer.
Speaker 1: I used to night games, Oh did I love like
Speaker 1: I couldn't even tell you that the channels on the
Speaker 1: West Coast like Prime Ticket, Yeah, Fox Sports West, shout
Speaker 1: out Petros, Papadacus and Steve phisiok, Ted Robbs, all those guys.
Speaker 1: I hate him, not anymore. I hate him so much
Speaker 1: that now that I am in the Central time zone
Speaker 1: and was in the Eastern time zone and now have
Speaker 1: two small children that wake up early, Pack twelve after
Speaker 1: dark is pack twelve dans in bed. Yeah, let's pack
Speaker 1: it in. For me, that's wake up early and watch
Speaker 1: it then. I just and I legitimately I love night
Speaker 1: games because on the West Coast, the primetime game is
Speaker 1: what a five fifteen kickoff, the you know Fowler Herb
Speaker 1: Street ESPN game that was great. I couldn't order an
Speaker 1: early dinner. And I hate like even there is even
Speaker 1: something about and this is a me thing. This is
Speaker 1: a me old man thing. I'm not trying to project
Speaker 1: this on anybody else, but even an Oregon game that
Speaker 1: starts at eight o'clock Central time Zone, somewhere in that
Speaker 1: vicinity seven thirty eight, I roll my eyes. And it's
Speaker 1: just because I'm ancient and washed up. But to me,
Speaker 1: that also says if it's on a major network that
Speaker 1: we're getting a long halftime. It feels that way anyway
Speaker 1: with the commercial breaks, and I'm rolling with that game
Speaker 1: until eleven thirty twelve, and that's not my preference. Pack it,
Speaker 1: pack it. In my my West Coast college football viewing career,
Speaker 1: loved a good night game. So that's what's changed with me.
Speaker 1: We've grown. But now also, and if you remember from
Speaker 1: I don't know three years ago, three four years ago,
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson's comments about road night games and how much
Speaker 1: it affects that just the full week's schedule, because now
Speaker 1: they're not getting home until the next day or in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, and it's just in terms
Speaker 1: of consideration for scaledue. It's a wrench for teams. That
Speaker 1: doesn't affect my opinion. It's all selfishly how it affects me.
Speaker 1: And that's what's changed. I used to love them attending,
Speaker 1: watching whatever, one other thing that I'll throw in very
Speaker 1: quickly and then I want to get to my show. Hey, Otani,
Speaker 1: question from David maybe the best question we've ever been asked.
Speaker 1: I used to be I used to like lionize the
Speaker 1: ability to watch or the ability to have like six
Speaker 1: TVs on it once, watch watch six TVs at once
Speaker 1: watching college football. Right, maybe I'm like to add for
Speaker 1: my own good, I could really only deal with one
Speaker 1: TV at this point. You're mononymous, and maybe Twitter, maybe
Speaker 1: Twitter on a second screen to just see what people are.
Speaker 1: You'll flirt people are reacting to. Yeah, all right, I
Speaker 1: can make two TVs work. I can make it work,
Speaker 1: but I could really only pay attention to one. Eventually,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a homeowner and it is going
Speaker 1: to be my attempt to mount to TVs either next
Speaker 1: to or one above the other. Will you go? I
Speaker 1: can make two work?
Speaker 2: Will you go full Ari Wasserman and have somebody install
Speaker 2: them for you? Or will you give it the old college?
Speaker 1: Try? Well? In this current rental house, there was already
Speaker 1: the hanging brackets or whatever on the wall, the mountain
Speaker 1: just on the wall. But my brother in law and
Speaker 1: I physically lifted the TV and mounted and secured it.
Speaker 1: So we did half of it half of it. So
Speaker 1: if that counts for anything, I will gladly let somebody
Speaker 1: else do that work. I am capable. I'll let somebody
Speaker 1: else do it. I don't know. Final question up.
Speaker 2: Final question from David yeah, what would the shoh Otani
Speaker 2: of college football look like?
Speaker 1: By the way, I can I just put one last
Speaker 1: thing on the end of that, please. I used to
Speaker 1: not prefer and get kind of annoyed at going to
Speaker 1: a sports bar to watch games, but I have missed
Speaker 1: human contact so much. Yeah that if you if like
Speaker 1: if a friend of mine, I don't know when the
Speaker 1: next NBA Finals game is, but if so, if somebody
Speaker 1: invited me to go see an NBA Finals game and
Speaker 1: there was a basket of tots and some sort of
Speaker 1: attractive dipping sauce, I'd be really friggin pumped about. All right,
Speaker 1: final final question? Who is the otan?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 1: What does the Otani of college football look like?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Cho Atani is a combination like that we've never.
Speaker 2: Really seen in Major League baseball. He's a pitcher and
Speaker 2: also he hits really well and like leads Major League
Speaker 2: Baseball in home runs at the All Star break. What
Speaker 2: is that combination like in college football?
Speaker 1: So it's almost unheard of historically, right, like Tonthampton could
Speaker 1: could kind of hit right, but not like this, not
Speaker 1: like this, and then Babe Ruth but then he gave
Speaker 1: up pitching. He gave up pitching.
Speaker 2: So what David is asking, is the Otani equivalent in
Speaker 2: college football, somebody who is a quarterback and kicker, an
Speaker 2: offensive lineman and cornerback.
Speaker 1: Is it something we'll ever see?
Speaker 2: So it's it's got to be a guy who plays
Speaker 2: more than one position on a regular basis. I don't
Speaker 2: know if we'll ever see it in this current iteration
Speaker 2: of college football, although it was hard to predict that
Speaker 2: we would ever see an Otani to begin with, so
Speaker 2: it's hard to say. I think the combination. I think
Speaker 2: the combination has to be a quarterback with a linebacker.
Speaker 1: Which we saw that flip right with Maryland a few
Speaker 1: years ago. A linebacker was the emergency quarterback.
Speaker 2: We've seen the flip. We saw the Chaz Surrat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: quarterback to linebacker, but not in the same game. We
Speaker 2: saw Joel Lanning Joel Lanning, So we see that a lot.
Speaker 1: They're not unprecedented, but they're not doing it concurrently. There
Speaker 1: are comparable skills being the quarterback of the offense in
Speaker 1: the quarterback of the defense. So I guess the next
Speaker 1: layer here.
Speaker 2: Would be somebody who could do it both in the
Speaker 2: same game or both in the same season.
Speaker 1: Let me throw this at you, what about a quarterback
Speaker 1: slash defensive coordinator Because I only say that because yes,
Speaker 1: there's no or no, there's no physical element to being
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator. But it's a highly specialized role within
Speaker 1: the game. It's whereas because we've seen we saw Miles
Speaker 1: Jack same game, play linebacker and take carries. We've seen
Speaker 1: you know, we've seen two way players. We've seen Charles
Speaker 1: Woodson as a starting defensive back come in and I
Speaker 1: mean he was in the return game, which is not unusual,
Speaker 1: but he took some sweeps and you know, lined up
Speaker 1: at receiver and won a Heisman for it. So I
Speaker 1: suppose in reality, in practice, Charles Woodson has been the
Speaker 1: closest we've come to a top level player. But he
Speaker 1: was not the best or one of the four best
Speaker 1: receivers in the country. He was defensive black who lined
Speaker 1: up a receiver and who return kicks. You know, had
Speaker 1: times really well. But it would it would have to
Speaker 1: be somebody god because it I understand where he's coming
Speaker 1: from from the offensive line in corner where physically they're
Speaker 1: so different and so unusual. But I don't think that's
Speaker 1: living necessarily in reality size wise.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean we're talking about if we look at
Speaker 2: Otani's batting stats in particular, right, thirty three home runs,
Speaker 2: seventy RBIs at the break hitting two seventy nine with
Speaker 2: a on base percentage of three sixty four. So that's
Speaker 2: a monster season. That's a monster season by any measure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in baseball. And then if you compair the fact that
Speaker 2: he can also pitch, he can also pitch.
Speaker 1: Now, you know. I mean, let's take a look at
Speaker 1: the stats here. This is a guy.
Speaker 2: He's got a pretty low whip. He's got a mid
Speaker 2: three ERA in the America League, which is pretty good,
Speaker 2: sixty seven innings pitched, eighty seven strikeouts, so he can
Speaker 2: throw and you can strike guys out. He can do
Speaker 2: a little bit of everything here. I just I don't
Speaker 2: to have a guy who is that consistent on both
Speaker 2: sides or in two different aspects of baseball is really
Speaker 2: unheard of, and so I think it would have to
Speaker 2: be an odd combination. In football, one of the suggestions
Speaker 2: was quarterbacking kicker, which would be interesting that I think
Speaker 2: is attainable.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm not as impressed. Was that
Speaker 1: what Sammy bad did? I believe I think so maybe
Speaker 1: I'm making that up. Yeah, I'm not as impressed with
Speaker 1: a quarterback kicker. To me, the answer is actually because
Speaker 1: if the quarterback is the analog to the pitcher in
Speaker 1: that like, it's either the most cerebral position, right, are
Speaker 1: that we assuming that catcher would be most cerebral? But okay,
Speaker 1: well you're in your head more With pitcher, you're in
Speaker 1: more the ball is in your hand deciding the game
Speaker 1: in the same way you're in quarterback. Right, I think
Speaker 1: it's quarterback and edge rusher. I think there is that
Speaker 1: that distinct difference between. Right, you're attacking in both instances
Speaker 1: what you do on the other side of the ball,
Speaker 1: So you know the ins and outs of the position.
Speaker 1: If you're a slugger, you know the ins and outs
Speaker 1: of what a pitcher is going to do and how
Speaker 1: to react to a pitch. So that to me is
Speaker 1: probably it. If von Miller were a Heisman caliber quarterback,
Speaker 1: if Trevor Lawrence were had seventeen and a half tackles
Speaker 1: for a loss in a season, that is probably the
Speaker 1: closest I can come up with because the skill set
Speaker 1: is so different but also related. So you know, if
Speaker 1: Vic Beasley is a Heisman quarterback. If you know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of every you know, if Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: is a quarterback, I mean he's not edge, but you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, to me is the only thing
Speaker 1: where you are in the trenches on one side of
Speaker 1: the ball, probably on defense attacking, and then on the
Speaker 1: other side of the ball you are picking a part
Speaker 1: of defense. Yeah, I was probably I was.
Speaker 2: Going to go back to Charles Woodson bit and I
Speaker 2: was going to say if a receiver came along who
Speaker 2: was also a shutdown corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but those things feel related. They're playing the pass,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're battling each other every play, and so
Speaker 1: you see a lot of crossover, wasn't there. It was
Speaker 1: a Patriots player who started lining up at corner as
Speaker 1: it was it Troy Troy Smith, Troy Brown, Troy Brown,
Speaker 1: Troy Brown. Yeah, so it is those are at least related. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would. I would say if you look at the
Speaker 1: great edge rushers of it's Miles Garrett. If those guys
Speaker 1: are at quarterback. And I've said this before on the show.
Speaker 1: The first time I ever saw Cam Newton in person,
Speaker 1: he was on the sidelines. It was the Florida Tennessee
Speaker 1: game two thousand and eight, and I just walked by
Speaker 1: a dude who looked like a god, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that dude is going to destroy some quarterback. And it
Speaker 1: turned out he was the quarterback. When I saw it
Speaker 1: to be somebody built like that.
Speaker 2: When I saw Cam Newton in person, I thought he
Speaker 2: was wearing shit older pads. Yeah, he was not worrying.
Speaker 1: So it's going to be you know, if Terrell Pryor
Speaker 1: we're an edge rusher, we're like, geez man, this dude
Speaker 1: is another guy that is the closest I could come
Speaker 1: up with, just because the skill set is so different. Otani,
Speaker 1: by the way, making only five and a half million
Speaker 1: dollars this year, so maybe that'll change. Sometimes you're seeing
Speaker 1: the clip of Mina Kimes, who is a Mariners fan,
Speaker 1: like the cameras were rolling ahead of an Around the
Speaker 1: Horn episode when she found out that Otani signed with
Speaker 1: the Angels and she was crushed, just absolutely demolished.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the first year that I feel like
Speaker 2: we're seeing the legend of Otani. You know, it's always
Speaker 2: been there and he's always been able to do these things,
Speaker 2: but what he's done this season is just remarkable.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's rifle. You're ready to rifle. Let's rifle real quick.
Speaker 1: Favorite wedding song to hear as a guest. When it
Speaker 1: comes on, you're like, this is mate, living on a prayer.
Speaker 1: I want to dance with somebody. Whitney Houston Sneaky Kuavo.
Speaker 1: How often do you try and exercise?
Speaker 2: How often do I try to exercise versus how much
Speaker 2: do I exercise?
Speaker 1: What is your what is your living in reality exercise schedule?
Speaker 2: It is non existent. It's walking the dogs, but hopefully
Speaker 2: now that that's exercise. Don't know that's exercise. How long
Speaker 2: of a walk? About a mile?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're doing a mile a day, a couple
Speaker 1: miles a.
Speaker 2: Day, two times a day usually that's great. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: hopefully more now than I'm no longer at the MDJ.
Speaker 1: I'm at three or four days a week, a couple
Speaker 1: of days of tennis, a couple runs, and I'm pretty
Speaker 1: happy with it. What were Dan and ties first words
Speaker 1: to their wives? Could not tell you, Jimmy could not
Speaker 1: tell you. Co workers solid wife.
Speaker 2: Kate tells me that my art of flirtation, my art
Speaker 2: of you know, getting to know her. Getting her interest
Speaker 2: was one of total avoidance, So I'd advanced to beyond
Speaker 2: anybody's comprehension.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can't honestly tell you what my first
Speaker 1: words were. You played hard to get with your wife.
Speaker 2: But it was like saying that I played anything credit.
Speaker 2: There was no like tactic.
Speaker 1: It was just a mysterious time. Yeah. Yeah, so mysterious
Speaker 1: Mine was go blue, as in Michigan was where I think,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the exact phrasing, because we
Speaker 1: met online and in her profile it said go blue,
Speaker 1: and so I that was my my icebreaker, go blue.
Speaker 1: That was something I could talk about. Nice. All right,
Speaker 1: final question? What's the final question? Uh? Final question? We
Speaker 1: did exercise, we did wedding, we did live question. Okay,
Speaker 1: here it is zaying. This is a great way to
Speaker 1: answer because it straddles both football and not really college football.
Speaker 1: Besides the broadcasters, is there anything to you that makes
Speaker 1: a games broadcast stand out? Wow? Well, I know the
Speaker 1: answer for you is the bug at the bottom or
Speaker 1: the graphics. That's kind of answer. That's no, not in
Speaker 1: a good one. I assume he wants to know what
Speaker 1: in a good way makes a broadcast really shine. Not
Speaker 1: a bad score bug or belt as it were with ESPN,
Speaker 1: makes a broadcast really shine outside of the commentators. Wow,
Speaker 1: that is a good I've had a great tie answer
Speaker 1: here I think would work for you. I think it's
Speaker 1: the audio mix, where there's like the palpable feel and
Speaker 1: energy of being in a stadium. Now that you know
Speaker 1: surround sound and good soundbars are pretty affordable, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people have those, and so it's a
Speaker 1: more immersive experience, especially after last year when a lot
Speaker 1: of these stadiums were far emptier than normal. So the
Speaker 1: audio mix, I think is really important. And I've been
Speaker 1: behind the scenes to watch somebody and he was an
Speaker 1: artist sort of work the levels. I think that's very important.
Speaker 1: I think the any sort of immersive quality. So the
Speaker 1: the what's it called the wire cam that's behind a play,
Speaker 1: that like even when it's not behind a play, even
Speaker 1: when it's you know, sort of behind a huddle or
Speaker 1: on the sideline as a coach is like struggling with
Speaker 1: the decision whether or not to go on third and
Speaker 1: one or something like that. The close ups, which I
Speaker 1: believe Fox does more close ups than ESPN. They're really
Speaker 1: big on like the emotion of the game, and to me,
Speaker 1: specific for college, is just painting a picture I have.
Speaker 1: I'm just I get aroused when I see the changing
Speaker 1: colors in a big ten gamest. I get aroused. I
Speaker 1: get aroused when I see the ball navy. I get
Speaker 1: a rouse like anything that paints the picture and paints
Speaker 1: a scene of that game. If I'm coming back from
Speaker 1: a break and it's not a meaningless but like an
Speaker 1: inconsequential Wisconsin Indiana game or something that doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: they're both three and five. But I'm seeing brots on
Speaker 1: the grill, I'm seeing scenes in the parking lot. I'm
Speaker 1: seeing the crowd jump around between the third and fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: It's anything that's like this couldn't be happening anywhere else.
Speaker 1: This scene that to me separates a pretty good broadcast,
Speaker 1: you know, And a lot of that's the capability and
Speaker 1: the producer and they what kind of shots they want
Speaker 1: and how they want to broadcast a game. But sort
Speaker 1: of time and place to me is very big and
Speaker 1: very important. Yeah. I think, by the way, with broadcasters,
Speaker 1: the really good ones don't overtalk. They let the sort
Speaker 1: of sounds of the game tell the story. That's important.
Speaker 2: I think the thing for me is is you alluded
Speaker 2: to like the wire cam. Some of us are old
Speaker 2: enough to remember when the wire cam was only trotted
Speaker 2: out for something like Monday Night Football or the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't as ubiquitous as it is now. So
Speaker 2: for me, the wirecam, when I see that, like I
Speaker 2: don't know, that gives it more of a big game
Speaker 2: feel to me. And I would also jump board the
Speaker 2: atmosphere thing that you alluded to, you know, seeing the
Speaker 2: atmosphere knowing that it's a big game, knowing that it's
Speaker 2: in a big in a cool setting, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: You know those shots of the mountains surrounding the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2: That adds to the to the feeld Man, I oh yeah.
Speaker 2: If you don't feel it when you see that, you
Speaker 2: don't have a heart. But that's the top of the
Speaker 2: top of the top of college football.
Speaker 1: To me in terms of visuals. It can exist anywhere.
Speaker 1: It can exist at an FCS school, it can exist
Speaker 1: at a mid level power five school, at a good
Speaker 1: chief whatever. As long as it's not in an NFL stadium.
Speaker 1: I am pretty pumped up about just seeing where this
Speaker 1: game is happening and maybe it's just commercial bumpers. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's on the faces of you know, a notable fan
Speaker 1: section or something like that, whatever it is. But to
Speaker 1: have to like to immediately visually associate a game with
Speaker 1: a place is extremely important to me. It's the people,
Speaker 1: it's the scene, it's outside the stadium, it's inside the stadium.
Speaker 1: And by the way, weather like a snowy game, a
Speaker 1: rainy game, a sweltering game, a foggy game, that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. If those things are emphasized, you know, those
Speaker 1: close up shots of the puddles on the sideline of
Speaker 1: all that tie. I'll give it all to me.
Speaker 2: You're into it, Okay, Well, look, this has been a
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