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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid verbal. Holl that for me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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<v Speaker 1>for a day? Edith Steak is that woo woof? And

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<v Speaker 1>them and Tye.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the solid verbal Boys and girls. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is ty Hillebrand, joining me as always over there

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<v Speaker 2>in beautiful Chicago, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>The one, the only, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Illustrious, the incomparable, the man with the plan. Dan Rubenstein, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you? I'm good, But today's show is not

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<v Speaker 2>about me. It's about us for sure, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not necessarily about your guy. Damn. I am thrilled

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<v Speaker 1>to be here today as always. I actually took a

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<v Speaker 1>shower for the occasion right before, so I just I

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<v Speaker 1>would cleanse myself of the past. Yeah, can be as

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<v Speaker 1>future looking as I could possibly be. So I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>excited for the show. We are continuing questions we've got.

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<v Speaker 1>We were sort of inundated with questions via all of

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<v Speaker 1>our social platforms and email, and a lot of good

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<v Speaker 1>ones came in a little after the horn from Tuesday's show,

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<v Speaker 1>so we figured we'd answer a bunch of questions. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's also a pretty big news day for the solid verbal,

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<v Speaker 1>is it not? It is?

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, we will get into our news here momentarily. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot to report. We've been very busy this off season

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<v Speaker 2>planning out all sorts of fun things for all y'all,

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<v Speaker 2>which we're going to get into here momentarily. But before

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<v Speaker 2>we do, don't forget, go on out to all of

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<v Speaker 2>else we're doing our best to grow the solidverbal footprint. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>also subscribe to the newsletter there also more information coming

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<v Speaker 2>on the newsletter Wink Wink, nudge nudge, Big news day.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa at SVHQ Dan, Yes, I would say so myself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't we just get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>We have Brooket News.

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<v Speaker 2>So first and foremost we should add that starting next week,

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to switch up our cadence. You're only

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get two shows next week, but those two shows

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be on Wednesday and Friday, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is in preparation for our full blown switch to three

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<v Speaker 2>episodes a week, which happens every year around this time.

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<v Speaker 2>But starting next Friday, we are kicking things off with

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<v Speaker 2>our ACC preview, the first of two ACC.

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<v Speaker 1>Previews Bop Bup, Bup, Bup, Bye Up ACC and American

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<v Speaker 1>Athletic Conference.

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<v Speaker 2>Previews Strike Me Down, Strike Me Down. Also talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the AAC. Yeah, yeah, we have broken all the Power

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<v Speaker 2>five conferences into two shows, so each of the Power

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<v Speaker 2>five they will have two different preview episodes. We're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to split it up as best we can give each

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<v Speaker 2>division it's due.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the Big Twelve is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little bit different, being so there's only ten teams. We

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<v Speaker 2>split that up accordingly as well. So as we get closer.

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl Double Texas preview, we'll talk we'll talk more about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But for all intents and purposes, starting up next week,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically next Friday, you will get your first crack at

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<v Speaker 2>preview episodes from Dan and I and all things solid

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<v Speaker 2>verbal But Wednesday, Friday, and then here to four, Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>it will be Monday, Wednesday, Friday all throughout the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the college football season.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and let me emphasize because you said Power five conferences,

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<v Speaker 1>which is true, but the G fives are divisioned off

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<v Speaker 1>as well, so that there is going to be each

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<v Speaker 1>episode is going to be a division of a Group

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<v Speaker 1>of five conference and a division of a Power five conference.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think seeking our teeth more than we ever have,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, into G five, not just in previewing,

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<v Speaker 1>but the hope is the season at large. Obviously some

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<v Speaker 1>weeks it gets ahead of us, gets away from us.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm more excited and I talked about this on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>The roster of quarterbacks returning for Group of five teams

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<v Speaker 1>has me particularly Jazz Top. Yeah, so I'm as excited

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<v Speaker 1>for G five football as it's I mean, it's FBS football,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk independence. Of course, we've worked them into

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<v Speaker 1>the mix as well, So we have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>research and takes and big picture thoughts in the coming days,

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<v Speaker 1>weeks and months. Breaking news drop too.

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<v Speaker 2>Also starting up next Friday, the much awaited, the much

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<v Speaker 2>anticipated return of written cool fun content to solid verbel

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. So we did this long ago back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, you wrote a piece called the click Chorus.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you tried so hard to say that smoothly, which

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<v Speaker 2>was every bit as immature as I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>intended to sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>I had written some stuff for our website as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Starting up next Friday, we have now actually taken a

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<v Speaker 2>very real, very professional step to try and build out

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<v Speaker 2>soliverbal dot com. We brought on some folks. Remember we

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<v Speaker 2>had our our our writing trials, if you will, a

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<v Speaker 2>few months back. We only had three slots, so hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>at some point in the future we can expand and

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<v Speaker 2>incorporate more because we had a bunch of awesome writers

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<v Speaker 2>who submitted their work to be part of the endeavor here.

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<v Speaker 2>But starting up next Friday, that will be the grand

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<v Speaker 2>reopening of editorial content on soliverbal dot com. So that

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<v Speaker 2>is all the more reason why you should go on

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<v Speaker 2>out and subscribe to the newsletter, because we'll be sending

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<v Speaker 2>it out there, but you can obviously find that on

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<v Speaker 2>soliverbal dot com, where we'll also be posting stuff to

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<v Speaker 2>our social media feeds and there'll be a big to

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<v Speaker 2>do around this content. Starting up on the website again

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<v Speaker 2>on July the twenty third, in tandem with the start

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<v Speaker 2>of our previews Peek.

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<v Speaker 1>Behind the Curtain, our website has been able to handle

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<v Speaker 1>written content for three hours. Yeah, but it's able. It

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<v Speaker 1>is able.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be ready one week from tomorrow for those

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<v Speaker 2>of you listening on Thursday, Yes, the fifteenth. And we

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<v Speaker 2>are excited about this. It's an exciting next step for us. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, We've got some really fun things planned. We're excited.

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<v Speaker 1>The breaking news.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that in our little, solid verbal universe may actually

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<v Speaker 2>break the news in a literal sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is is this the biggest piece of news

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<v Speaker 1>as it relates to our show specifically. We've partnered with

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<v Speaker 1>other places that you know, everything has been really fun

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<v Speaker 1>talking to other people. We've done all sorts of things

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<v Speaker 1>to advance and grow the show successfully. I might not

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm very proud of, but just within the confines

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<v Speaker 1>of these audio walls, breaking new this is pretty big,

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<v Speaker 1>breaking news, Floria yours.

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<v Speaker 2>We have had all sorts of excitement along the way

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<v Speaker 2>over the last decade plus of doing this podcast. And Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the what is the first question that you

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<v Speaker 2>and I get asked anytime we go out in the road,

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<v Speaker 2>anytime we open up the floor frankly for questions from

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<v Speaker 2>the Verballer hood, be it in person or virtually. What

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<v Speaker 2>is that first question that we get asked?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to shut down the show at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the twenty twenty one season as you've always promised?

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<v Speaker 1>Now maybe I can see how this goes the first

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<v Speaker 1>question that's always asked. I think I might have I

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<v Speaker 1>scared eleven people by saying that. The first question we're

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<v Speaker 1>always asked is can Ty can you tell us what

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<v Speaker 1>your secret day job is? What's your secret day job?

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<v Speaker 2>Ty?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the what do you do when you're not broadcasting?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you h what pays the bills? What's that

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<v Speaker 1>mysterious day job? What is the m d J?

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<v Speaker 2>Dan? What is the mysterious day job? Anytime I go

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<v Speaker 2>out in the road, people want to know. We've kept

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<v Speaker 2>it a relative mystery for the better part of the

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<v Speaker 2>last decade, now decade plus, of doing this show. I

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<v Speaker 2>am pleased, I am excited. I am overjoyed to announce

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<v Speaker 2>that starting today, literally today Dan July the fifteenth, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, the mysterious day job is no longer mysterious.

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<v Speaker 2>The actual day job is now the solidverbal that is

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<v Speaker 2>I like I had the warm fuzzies just erupted in

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<v Speaker 2>my heart. Ty as of now officially officially official. Literally

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<v Speaker 2>today people use literally too much no no literally today

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<v Speaker 2>literally literally today was my last day at the previous

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<v Speaker 2>mysterious day job. And starting like right now as people

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<v Speaker 2>are listening to this, m I am full time, solidverbal

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<v Speaker 2>and I am thrilled to be here. I honestly when

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<v Speaker 2>we started this never thought it would get here, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It finally came to a point where it's go big

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<v Speaker 2>or go home. And if we are serious about creating

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<v Speaker 2>out this universe and making it as good as you

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<v Speaker 2>and I both know it can be, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>require all hands on deck, and that certainly includes one

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<v Speaker 2>of the founding members of the show, not just you.

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<v Speaker 2>So here I am man. You got me for the

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<v Speaker 2>foreseeable future. Let's see what we can build.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a loss for words, which if anybody's listened

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<v Speaker 1>to the show for a while, you know that's very

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<v Speaker 1>difficult for me. But I'm at a loss for words.

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<v Speaker 1>I am incredibly proud of you. I am incredibly overjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>for what we're going to make. And it's not just this,

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just what you're listening to. This is solid

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<v Speaker 1>verbal media. This is expanding this universe. This is partnering

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<v Speaker 1>with people to make new shows, empowering people. That shows

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<v Speaker 1>that we are not on like, the possibilities are pretty endless.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had a lot of interest in doing things like

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<v Speaker 1>this and in expanding this universe, and we haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>fully able to do it. And it's not just because

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<v Speaker 1>of your day job. I had a long time, full

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<v Speaker 1>time gig as well. It just happened to be in

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<v Speaker 1>sports media. But we have had to turn down opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>because I was unable to because of that job. And

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<v Speaker 1>so now we are fully unencumbered and I have had

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities since leaving that job that I have no intention

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<v Speaker 1>of pursuing anymore because this is where my heart is,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where, this is where my ass is. Ty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in this chair about making a show and making

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<v Speaker 1>a thing with you and the people we make these

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<v Speaker 1>things with.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's very exciting. It's a long time coming. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we started this back in two thousand and eight. I

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<v Speaker 2>had always hoped that maybe you could get to this point, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Just couldn't couldn't see the path.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are and with all that I mean says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's I have a question for you though, Oh please,

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<v Speaker 2>what was the mysterious day job?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's funny we should ask Dan because.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to yell at again. I need to

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<v Speaker 2>try and preserve the pipes. Now, this is what I

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<v Speaker 2>do for a living. Please excuse me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but if you go on out to our patreon

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<v Speaker 2>for Ballers dot com, as of noon Eastern on July

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<v Speaker 2>the fifteenth, when many of you are listening to this show,

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<v Speaker 2>we will be making our updated Patreon benefit Tears Live. Now. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not me shilling for money, yeah sir, but

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<v Speaker 2>but it kind of is. In light of the news

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<v Speaker 2>that we just shared, Patreon support is now a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more important to keeping the lights on than it

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<v Speaker 2>was previously.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh, it definitely is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, go on out again noon Eastern time, July the fifteenth, Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>if you are interested or just if you're curious about

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<v Speaker 2>what we have to offer. Your support is very much encouraged,

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<v Speaker 2>very much appreciated, And starting on what July the sixteenth, tomorrow, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be dropping a show where we go

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<v Speaker 2>into painstaking detail about that mysterious day job. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to demystify long last the MDJ. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>it through. You're going to interview me about what's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're just gonna we're just gonna fully steer into

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<v Speaker 2>this as a cornerstone of the soliverbal community and talk

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<v Speaker 2>it through. That is a Patreon only show, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We're trying to really tap into the area that is

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<v Speaker 2>the verballerhood, Dan, Where do we want to go? This

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<v Speaker 2>is a continuation of the show that we did on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>As I slapped my microphone here because I'm all excited, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we want to go? Because we have a long

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<v Speaker 1>list of questions that we did not get through. Vick

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<v Speaker 1>wants to know if Arkansas were I think it's we're

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<v Speaker 1>in the Big twelve right now. How many wins would

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<v Speaker 1>they have and where would they rank among Big twelve programs.

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<v Speaker 1>This was, by the way, something floated by I believe

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<v Speaker 1>it was David Ubben. That's saying, sure, everybody should love

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<v Speaker 1>to be in either the Big Ten or SEC. But

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<v Speaker 1>for a program like Arkansas, with its roots obviously in

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<v Speaker 1>the Southwest Conference tie and a little conference you might

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<v Speaker 1>be familiar with, and you know the alignment with the

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<v Speaker 1>Texas schools historically, that perhaps Arkansas would have a higher

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<v Speaker 1>profile program. I believe that was the gist, right, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a few weeks old. So what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>the status of Arkansas would be as a Big twelve program?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it's hard for me to separate out

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<v Speaker 2>the progress that Sam Pittman made in year one in Fayetteville,

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<v Speaker 2>from what I know, is just a total banger.

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<v Speaker 1>Of a schedule. It's really going to be hard for Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is just more big picture, like what

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<v Speaker 1>is what would your perception be of Arkansas as a

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<v Speaker 1>Big twelve team, given the power of their current division

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<v Speaker 1>and given the sort of all over the place nature

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<v Speaker 1>a conference in the Big twelve that has seen a

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<v Speaker 1>number of teams bubble to the National Service. Most recently

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<v Speaker 1>Iowa State. But we've had you know, Baylor and TCU, obviously, Texas, Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma State. These are all teams in playoff for National

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<v Speaker 1>Chainampionship conversations into the last what decade Oklahoma State that

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<v Speaker 1>was a twenty eleven season where they lost Iowa State.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot more of an inevitability to the

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<v Speaker 1>SEC than there is to the Big Twelve. One hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, we'll get an early read on

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<v Speaker 2>this because Arkansas does play Texas. That was a game

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<v Speaker 2>that I talked about in Week two where Arkansas is

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<v Speaker 2>only a three and.

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<v Speaker 1>A half point dog.

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<v Speaker 2>So look, I don't think that line is right, but

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<v Speaker 2>if that's any indication, Vegas feels pretty okay about how

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<v Speaker 2>Arkansas would do if it played against some of the

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<v Speaker 2>better teams in the Big Twelve. What I talked about

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<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday show because we had a question about where

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<v Speaker 2>does TCU rank.

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<v Speaker 1>Is TCU in.

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<v Speaker 2>Any position to mount a dark horse campaign for the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Twelve. I think the answer to that is no,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think TCU falls into like that five spot

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<v Speaker 2>and the Big Twelve. There are four teams that I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be inclined to put above them. I think you could

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<v Speaker 2>put Arkansas kind of in that discussion. What I like

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<v Speaker 2>about Arkansas's that they bring a lot back, bring a

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<v Speaker 2>lot back. I think, so everybody does this here, everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Does this year. Yeah, and that's because the circumstances a year.

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<v Speaker 1>But for a young program with by young, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>a second year head coach, I see what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, nineteen returning starters from a year ago

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<v Speaker 2>for Arkansas, I feel like they could. And the other

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<v Speaker 2>thing about them is they play really hard. We saw

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<v Speaker 2>that last year. You know. That's the thing for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I like teams that fight to the end, and Sam

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<v Speaker 2>Pittman had Arkansas in a lot of those games. So

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<v Speaker 2>I would be inclined to put them middle of the

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<v Speaker 2>pack in the Big Twelve going into the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one season. If roles were somewhat reversed. I still don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I'm putting them above certainly the top tier

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<v Speaker 2>of that division or that conference. Excuse me, the likes

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<v Speaker 2>of Oklahoma, the likes of Texas, Like, it's just I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's there yet. But I think they're solidly

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the pack, and I think they play hard,

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<v Speaker 2>they fight every team tooth and nail.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fascinating to think about what how expectations among boosters

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<v Speaker 1>and fans and administrators is like. Whereas in the SEC West,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're largely tempered because everybody basically has to say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well we have you know, there's a goliath. There's an elephant,

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<v Speaker 1>a literal elephant sometimes, so that used to be a

0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.359
<v Speaker 1>little elephant I think on Alabama's campus, but there is

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<v Speaker 1>an elephant in the SEC West room where Arkansas has

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<v Speaker 1>the expectation of being a winning program and a good

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<v Speaker 1>winning program. But there's probably a ceiling. It's what it

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<v Speaker 1>seems right now, barring any sort of five star, no

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<v Speaker 1>brain or quarterback who is like a hog legacy or

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason. Not to put this down, but like

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<v Speaker 1>those types of players aren't necessarily gravitating towards Fayetteville. So

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<v Speaker 1>in the Big Twelve, all of the sudden in what

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<v Speaker 1>we perceive, even though Oklahoma's dominated, it to be a

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<v Speaker 1>little more wide open of a conference. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>expectations are raised, so then maybe there's more money going

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<v Speaker 1>into the program from boosters or anything like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's also a situation where you've got to win quicker

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<v Speaker 1>than you have to win in the SA. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a lot of different angles to it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think with the talent Arkansas could attract and

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<v Speaker 1>the size of a program that it is, in the

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<v Speaker 1>expectations and the focus that the program receives, I would

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<v Speaker 1>say that they should be a perennial eight win program

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<v Speaker 1>in the Big Twelve. Now, right now they're playing eight

0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:23.920
<v Speaker 1>conference games and the Big Twelve they'd be playing nine.

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<v Speaker 1>So or that's what they're playing right now. So whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going through a weird exercise here where you're adding

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<v Speaker 1>a team to the Big Twelve, but that's where they're

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<v Speaker 1>at right now. But I think from a pure competitive standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>Arkansas would be good in the Big twelve. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it gets them necessarily closer to a playoff conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>but now that we have twelve, everybody's closer to the

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<v Speaker 1>playoff conversation. But I don't know if they're able to

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<v Speaker 1>build a team to compete with the best of the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's an interesting thought exercise. It's just

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.600
<v Speaker 1>it's an interesting thought exercise. And again I'll use the

0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:12.240
<v Speaker 1>early Vegas lines as something of an indicator because we

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.600
<v Speaker 1>saw where Texas was relative to a team like TCU.

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<v Speaker 1>The early line is that TCU is favored by a

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<v Speaker 1>point and a half over Texas. Now I don't agree

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<v Speaker 1>with that, but if you extrapo laid out where Arkansas

0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 1>would be on that same scale. Being so Arkansas is

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<v Speaker 1>a three and a half dog against Texas, what that

0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.480
<v Speaker 1>tells me is that Vegas would have TCU favored by

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<v Speaker 1>five points over Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what I get out of that is that

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas would have Arkansas within a touchdown of probably everybody

0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:47.679
<v Speaker 2>in the Big Twelve, with the exception of Oklahoma. So

0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.720
<v Speaker 2>they're certainly in the conversation. It's a weird thought exercise,

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<v Speaker 2>mind you, I get it, but at least within the

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<v Speaker 2>confines of twenty twenty one here, I think it means

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<v Speaker 2>they'd be competitive in that conference.

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<v Speaker 1>The fascinating thing is if you go back to the

0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:05.440
<v Speaker 1>best recent Arkansas team, which I believe was twenty fourteen,

0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:06.919
<v Speaker 1>it was a team that I mean, they were like

0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:09.879
<v Speaker 1>a seven and sixteen whatever Arkansas's record was when they

0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:13.240
<v Speaker 1>had that. If you remember incredible defense. They shut out

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:16.639
<v Speaker 1>both Ole Miss and LSU I believe, and they the

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Alabama game was something like thirteen to twelve, twelve to eleven, like,

0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.320
<v Speaker 1>it was a really really tight game. That was at

0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the time that TCU and Baylor were playing sixty one

0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:29.040
<v Speaker 1>to fifty eight games. So, if we are going to

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:34.280
<v Speaker 1>fully extrapolate this thought process, this thought experiment, what does

0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas look like relative to the top of the Big

0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Twelve that season the first year of the playoff. That's

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:44.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of fascinating that they were a bruiser of a

0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:47.080
<v Speaker 1>team that nobody wanted any part of, especially in the

0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:48.720
<v Speaker 1>back half of that year. I think that was the

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:52.760
<v Speaker 1>at the borderline Erotic Bowl, that's correct. That's to me

0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.840
<v Speaker 1>is really interesting. The contrast that we did see these

0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:57.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean not last year, but the couple of years

0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 1>before that. Baylor have tremendous success with sort of zag

0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:04.639
<v Speaker 1>in a conference that hadn't fully zagged from its normal

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:09.080
<v Speaker 1>zig with the focus on defense and ball control, which

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Baylor succeeded doing. So. No, it's fascinating. But does Chad

0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Morris have a lot of success with Arkansas in the

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Big Twelve? Probably not? Probably not, So they're still running

0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:23.120
<v Speaker 1>into some of those same issues. Where are we going

0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:27.480
<v Speaker 1>next here? You tell me you're the big big news

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<v Speaker 1>tie here, big big news tie. Yeah, this is the

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:33.919
<v Speaker 1>big news show on the solid verbal. TJ wants to

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.520
<v Speaker 1>know if it's going to be Dino Baber's last year

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<v Speaker 1>at Syracuse. TJ.

0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Longtime listener of the solid verb, Right, TJ. What can

0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Dino realistically do to save himself?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:51.679
<v Speaker 2>So I have two questions about this. First off, how

0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 2>much of a quick hook does Syracuse have slash should

0:24:56.280 --> 0:25:00.400
<v Speaker 2>they have if they're being realistic about their football program?

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:02.399
<v Speaker 2>And I don't mean that in a demeaning way, but

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 2>it is Syracuse, but there's not a whole lot of

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:10.000
<v Speaker 2>recent success to hang your hat on. And secondly, if

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 2>not Dino, then who where would you go? If not

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Dino Baber's I happen to like Dino Baber is a

0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:17.800
<v Speaker 2>great deal. What does he have to do? I think

0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 2>he has to show some sort of forward momentum. They

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 2>are still kind of digging out from the grungy Eric

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:25.879
<v Speaker 2>Dungeon years, and by digging out, I mean trying to

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 2>re establish themselves, trying to plant the new tent pole

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:32.880
<v Speaker 2>around which they can build, around which they can establish

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 2>some momentum that has not happened yet. So what are

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:38.160
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts here?

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it just sort of a dollars and cents thing.

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying this right now. The buyout this is as

0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 1>of last fall, Babers reportedly. This is from Daily Orange

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 1>dot com. Baber's reportedly has four years remaining on a

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 1>contract extension he signed two years ago, and a buyout

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:57.640
<v Speaker 1>could cost more than seventeen million dollars. Wild Hack John Wildhack,

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>former ESPN higher up who's now running the Syracuse Athletic Department,

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.160
<v Speaker 1>said he and Babers will meet after this season evaluate

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:07.160
<v Speaker 1>what went wrong, as they do every year. So even

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>if that buyout is coming down, has come down, you know,

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:11.880
<v Speaker 1>maybe there's a clause that you know, as of January

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:15.119
<v Speaker 1>one or whatever, if he's still the coach. Even if

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 1>it has come down, it's probably in the double digits.

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:20.840
<v Speaker 1>And now is not an amazing time for a very

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 1>down program as Syracuse has become since their success a

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago, to cut that kind of check. So, man,

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 1>if if they are disaster once again, and I always

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:37.480
<v Speaker 1>look to the side of the ball where the head

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 1>coach has history, fair or not, and his offensive history.

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.199
<v Speaker 1>And they talked about, you know, playing with pace and

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 1>like a power spread, we're going to go deep, but

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:45.919
<v Speaker 1>then we're going to hit people with the eye and

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 1>like it just hasn't worked. They're like last year's defense

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>showed some signs of life and I like the high

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 1>art coordinator they made there. But even still, you look

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 1>to recruiting for potential energy in the future, and that

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:03.439
<v Speaker 1>hasn't necessarily been lately. So what would it take, I

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 1>mean anything short of a bowl game. I think there's

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:10.399
<v Speaker 1>a good chance that he is looking for a new gig.

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 1>But man, that's it's a big, big check to cut.

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.640
<v Speaker 1>It's a big check. That's a lot. He had recent success.

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:23.159
<v Speaker 1>But if there's any element of Syracuse football that and

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I like this word a lot, is a calamity this

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.159
<v Speaker 1>ball in the way that their offense has been and

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I know they've been snake bitten and they were missing

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 1>players and you know, so I think the excuses will

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 1>be less so this year in terms of how you know,

0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 1>meaningful those excuses are. But if if it's just a

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:48.200
<v Speaker 1>disaster on offense, once again, I don't know what there

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 1>is beyond the cash you would owe him to say

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.640
<v Speaker 1>we got to keep this thing going. Yeah, I don't know.

0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 2>Let's go to Alec. This is a question that I

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.440
<v Speaker 2>feel like we've addressed in some way, shape or form

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 2>over the last couple months. But it's a good thought experiment.

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 2>We're really just we're using We're using the bean today.

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Dan got a lot going on. We're excited. Let's talk

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:19.639
<v Speaker 2>about potential Nick Saban replacements, if and when he's changed, and.

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Is has anything changed in your mind this offseason about

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Nick Saban's long term viability viability is the wrong word,

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 1>but his long term plan and who might replace him? No, No,

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean.

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Nobody to me gives me a great answer. Okay, and

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 2>I guess I guess the most obvious would be, Well,

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 2>here here's the question. So the question is, with sark

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 2>off to Texas, with Dabo entrenched at Clemson, is Mario

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Cristobal the favorite to replace Nick Saban someday? The question

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 2>might not be answered for some time with Saban's new contract,

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 2>but I can't decide if I think he'll make it

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 2>all the way to twenty twenty nines, twenty twenty nine,

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 2>eight years from now, hold Saban gonna be in that case,

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 2>he can be like eighty years old or close to it.

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>What you're saying twenty twenty nine.

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 2>I can't decide if I think he'll make it all

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 2>the way to twenty twenty nine.

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was Alex's question. So Nick Saban is currently

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 1>sixty nine years old. His birthday's on Halloween, So in

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty nine, if my math works, so he's turning

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 1>seventy this year, So in eight years he'll be seventy

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>eight years old. Seventy eight years old, Yeah, okay, during

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 1>the season, he'll be turning seventy eight. Saban could make

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>it to seventy eight as head coach of Bama. Good

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>because the program's clearly at critical mass at this point.

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 2>It recruits itself. I'm not saying it's easy to maintain

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 2>this level of just incredible prodentiality and yeah, yeah, everything

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 2>about it's nearly impossible on any other in any other context.

0:29:54.800 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 2>But because he has shown such a proclivity to bring

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 2>in new assistance here over year maintain that high production,

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 2>he's a guy who could do it. He could do it,

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and I don't think it would It would be any

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 2>any just greater feat than we've already seen. So it's

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 2>possible that he could stick around. But let's go through

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 2>the exercise. Nick Saban announces, let's say two years from now,

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 2>that he's retiring, Dabo Sweeney presumably is going to continue

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 2>his glide path at Clemson because recruiting has been strong.

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Let's also give Sark benefit of the doubt. Let's give

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Mary Chrystopaul benefit of the doubt because recruiting has been

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 2>strong at organ as well. And let's as Sark can

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 2>more difficult for sure at Oregon to recruit a top

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 2>five class than it is in Tuscaloosa. But yes, correct,

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 2>So I guess my question would be if you are

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 2>if you are Alabama and you know that there is

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 2>a tie in with Dabo Swinny, isn't he your first call?

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Probably? But you know, we're not privy to the relationship

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes between you know, the ad and Dabbo

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.960
<v Speaker 1>and the moneyed people and Dabbo and seeing as how

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>they they clash the national championships, and what they think

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the optics are of going after him to lead your

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>program after battling. I know Saban and Dabo are pretty

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 1>friendly and they have vacation together, but I almost don't

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 1>think we know the name yet, Like I don't think

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 1>like I think Alabama in the way that you know,

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Richrod was that up and comer and obviously wasn't hired

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 1>way back in two thousand and seven. But it's going

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>to be somebody, probably on the younger side, who's proven

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>an ability to win big and recruit really well. I

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:45.479
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's Clink and Riley, because I think

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma job is a pretty uniquely amazing position. But

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I think it's going to be somebody on the younger side.

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>And you know, if it's Mario Chris Paul, who is

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, younger but not that young, that's an impossible job.

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>And so Mario christ of all has or Mario as

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>it were, has a pretty amazing path to the postseason

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>right now in the Pac twelve as it's currently constituted.

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe USC eventually hires a killer in Washington, you know,

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 1>has a you know, whether it's a Jimmy Lake or

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 1>somebody else, And I don't know, whatever the path, maybe

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>it gets increasingly difficult. But traditionally it's only been one

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>or two teams at the top of the PAC twelve,

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>not a situation like where the SEC has you know,

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 1>up Lsu years and up Floorida years and up Georgia

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>years and up Auburn years. So whoever it is has

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 1>to know that they're going to make ten million dollars

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 1>a year and whatever happens happens, because following Saban is

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>just you're setting yourself up for failure. So you know,

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 1>if if that's I'm I'm saying that, I am not

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>saying it's going to be a coach who only is

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 1>doing it for the cash, But that's going to be

0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>an element of knowing you're set up to fail given

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the expectations, the other worldly, unprecedented expectations in Tuscaloosa. So

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's probably not going to be somebody like

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Day, probably not going to be somebody like Lincoln Riley.

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 1>I really do believe that it's going to be a

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>name of somebody that is currently thirty eight to forty four, okay,

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:29.360
<v Speaker 1>and whether that's Matt Campbell, whether that's my guy Jeff Hafley, boy.

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, like, I think it's going to be from

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 1>that generation of coaches, and whoever ends up looking like

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>the sort of top of that pyramid, I think that's

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>who is ultimately going to get that gig. But I

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 1>think there's going to be more wariness than expected because

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:50.800
<v Speaker 1>of the job Nick Saban is done getting everybody in

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 1>line in Tuscaloosa and in the Alabama football universe behind

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 1>him that he's able to exceed expectations. Almost it's just

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 1>who what ever gets that job is going to be fired. Yeah,

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think. I don't think you need

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 1>to go super youthful with that selection. I think by

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>then they won't be youthful. I'm saying right now they're

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:12.879
<v Speaker 1>like thirty eight to forty four, right, But I'm saying

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>two years, let's say two or three years from now.

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Ipothetically speaking, I don't think you need to go crazy

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:21.920
<v Speaker 2>young with your coaching selection. I think you need to

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 2>have somebody in place who you know can continue the momentum.

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:28.800
<v Speaker 2>That's the most important thing, because they have again achieved

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 2>this incredible success over the last decade under Saban that

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I think they are, more than anything, just craving to

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:41.360
<v Speaker 2>maintain at that point. And so I think it's a

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:44.880
<v Speaker 2>guy who's got familiarity with Nick Saban and how he

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 2>went about things. You're trying to keep continuity in place

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 2>as much as possible. Whether that's a guy like a Sark,

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:53.919
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you go back after him. Maybe that's a guy

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 2>like a Mariot crystobaal who's been on the staff. Lord

0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 2>knows pretty much everybody's been on I don't at this point.

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think a lot of guys who end up

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:07.319
<v Speaker 1>leaving Tuscaloosa by their own choice, because that's what ends

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>up happening a lot of the time, because they have

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 1>this shine on them from coaching at Alabama. I don't

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>know how many of them actually look back fondly at

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 1>their time at Alabama. Yeah, I mean it's it's if

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 1>they were being responsible about it, and if Nick Saban

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>was talking to leadership about what his own exit strategy is, right,

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:29.919
<v Speaker 1>presumably they could go the root of naming the coach

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 1>in waiting and work on that transition plan gradually over

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the course of time.

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's going to happen. I don't

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 2>know where Saban's at, but I would hope that for

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Alabama's sake, Nick Saban would have that plan in motion

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 2>because he's a guy who he's a planful guy. Dan

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 2>this is the man of the plan for sure, so

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:52.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing he's given it some thought. Maybe he's got

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 2>some suitors in mind, and I would help for lou

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Poi toshakoy. I would hope for the sake of the

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 2>BAMA program that they would have some sort of succession

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 2>plan that they could enact. But it's a look, it's

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 2>an interesting thought experiment. My guess is that we'll have

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 2>that conversation many many times over right before it actually

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 2>comes to fruition. Why don't we stay in the sec? Dan,

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 2>This is a good question from.

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:16.799
<v Speaker 1>Mill of time, Dan Miller time, yeap.

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Why do so many assume that LSU will automatically rebound

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.399
<v Speaker 2>to a new Year's six level in twenty twenty one.

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I get the talent and experience, but LSU has finished

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.800
<v Speaker 2>with ten or more wins and at top twelve ranking

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>just twice in the last seven years, and they are

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 2>breaking in two young first time coordinators twenty nineteen and

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 2>even twenty eighteen are outliers. This feels like, ooh, this stinks.

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 1>This feels like gene Chiswick two point zero. Dan, Oh,

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 1>come on, everybody so quick to compare a situation to

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 1>gene Chiswick or a man who's the other coach? That

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 1>who's the guy now? I'm blanking on his name. The

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Miami coach who followed, Butch Davis, who was out after

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 1>a few years, just couldn't keep it. Larry, Larry, Larry Cocher, Larry,

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.720
<v Speaker 1>thank you. Everybody's very quick. Next Coker.

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, interesting common ground though here neither Jeene Chiswick nor

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 2>at Orgeron have any sideburns.

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Is that true? At Origeron's are as short as Chiswick's.

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I believe now negative sideburns, which isn't really Jean Chiswick was.

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 1>It was up at eye level coach os sideburns situation,

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 1>it's not. It's it's similar, not as pronounced. Maybe that's

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 1>a head shape thing, but it's similar.

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 2>You're right, So for what it's worth in a battle Royale,

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I take Coacho over Geen Chikay, no doubt about it.

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:57.880
<v Speaker 2>The sideburns are comparable. And clearly we're at a stage

0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 2>now with LSU football, in the wake of the Joe

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Burrow era, in the wake of the Joe Brady era,

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 2>in the wake of twenty twenty and the uncertainty where

0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, there is some question around where where's this

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 2>thing headed. I think recruiting has still been strong. I

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 2>think there's a lot of reason to be optimistic. It

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 2>feels like they started to pull it together down the

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 2>stretch last season with Max Johnson in there at quarterback.

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 1>But Gene Chizzwick two point oh dan, that is woo.

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 1>That cuts to the bone, right, it does. Jeane Chiswick

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 1>made some pretty bad hires after losing gusmels On and

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:37.840
<v Speaker 1>took the offense in a not great place but recruited

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:41.800
<v Speaker 1>pretty well. The problem with that comparison is ed Origroon

0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>quickly made the change and he is not the greatest

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 1>track record of finding coaches on either side of the ball,

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:49.920
<v Speaker 1>coordinators on either side of the ball that just weren't

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 1>fits for a ten win season. And even though you

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:57.239
<v Speaker 1>know Mack Cannada's offense at LSU had its moments, it

0:38:57.280 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a fit with that Orizron and then following Joe

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Brady was going to be pretty impossible. But the combination

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 1>of a new ish look offense, it wasn't that new look,

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 1>but it was, you know, there were new ideas in

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>that offense and quarterback injuries and rawness to the quarterback position.

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I thought Miles Brannan was pretty good. The defense was

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>a nightmare aains Mississippi State to open the year. So

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 1>if the defense comes back to anywhere near where it

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:30.280
<v Speaker 1>should be given the talent level and given the schedule

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 1>this year, I mean, you can stop me when I

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 1>get to a quarterback that legitimately scares you. U CLA

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 1>McNeice Central Michigan. I think that's kind of scary, just

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>because mca owayn's doing a pretty good job there. But

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not worried. It's at LSU, Auburn, Kentucky, Florida, Ole,

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.239
<v Speaker 1>miss Yeah, that's a quarterback that should scare you, Matt Corrall,

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's on the road. We'll see about Bryce Young

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 1>in the quarterback situation. Tusclose, but we don't know yet Arkansas, Monroe, A,

0:39:55.719 --> 0:40:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and m SO right now. The number of proven scaryquarterbacks

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and LSU schedule isn't all that high right now. And

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 1>I think there's just a general assumption that the mistakes,

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.920
<v Speaker 1>given everything that goes into the program and given the

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 1>guys that they got recommendations from regarding these new coordinators,

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.759
<v Speaker 1>I think there's just this assumption that the injury luck

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 1>is going to bounce back. You know, Derek Stingley was

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:25.680
<v Speaker 1>dealing with some pretty it was hospitalized the night before

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 1>that Mississippi State game, like there were key dudes who

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>were dealing with some really serious stuff. So I think

0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 1>there is just that assumption that even if LSU traditionally

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:37.879
<v Speaker 1>is not winning ten eleven games a year, that given

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 1>where they are as compared to the changes and newness

0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:43.880
<v Speaker 1>of the rest of the SEC, that LSU is in

0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good spot. They've got one of the best

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.520
<v Speaker 1>receivers in the country to me and Keisham Boutet, and

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I think there's opportunity there for a poor man's twenty nineteen.

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Is that nine wins? Is it eleven? I don't know,

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:00.319
<v Speaker 1>but I think we're going to see notes of it

0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:01.879
<v Speaker 1>on both sides of the ball. And we know Dave

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Randa is an incredible defensive coordinator, and you know, matching

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>what he was able to do it else he was

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 1>going to be very difficult. But it's a really nice

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.560
<v Speaker 1>starting point considering the too deep on that defense. So

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't think the same mistakes we made on defense,

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 1>and I think they will be healthier on offense, which

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I think leads to a certain degree of optimism.

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I thought we had a blanket policy on this show

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 2>that whenever you said Dave Randa's name, you had to

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.400
<v Speaker 2>use you had to use the lego batman voice.

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Look, there is some I think, real discussion to be

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:40.920
<v Speaker 2>had around where LSU goes from here. Remember what the

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 2>conversation was going into that incredible once in a generation

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 2>season that they had where they ran the table and

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 2>won the championship and Joe Burrow went on to the

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Heisman Trophy in the first overall draft pick. Do you

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:54.440
<v Speaker 2>remember what the conversation was going into that season. The

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:58.640
<v Speaker 2>conversation was, we got to fix this offense, and the

0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 2>conversation was, maybe Joe Bray he can do it, and

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:05.360
<v Speaker 2>perhaps ed Orgeron is self aware enough as a coach

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 2>to realize the air in his ways, the flaws of

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the system, and he's gonna go out and he's going

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:16.080
<v Speaker 2>to try and get better on offense. Now that worked beautifully, obviously, but.

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 1>It's a bit of a cry wolf situation because what

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:22.319
<v Speaker 1>do we hear every August from every camp, Oh, this

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 1>guy like this guy succeeded at the Manning Passing Academy.

0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:28.879
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, this is there. We're really going to open

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 1>it up this night. Well, That's why we joke about

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 1>new coordinators and new strength coaches attacking mentality. Right defense,

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:39.480
<v Speaker 1>it's really hard to parse, you know, if you can

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 1>get practice reports behind the scenes and not necessarily writers

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 1>saying you know, sort of just printing what coaches are

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:51.839
<v Speaker 1>saying without offering you know, better sourcing, it's really hard

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:54.319
<v Speaker 1>to believe what is actually true and what's not until

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 1>the live bullets start flying. That's one hundred percent the

0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>case and that and that's my point here with the

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 1>origon So we definitely caught lightning in a bottle the

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 1>year with Joe Burrow when they want everything and they

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 1>were all world everything, and they were incredible once in

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:11.120
<v Speaker 1>a generation, no doubt about it. Gonna pay no doubt

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 1>about it. It's gonna play with tempo but right, but

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 1>much the way.

0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 2>The next guy after Saban has an incredible impossible act

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:22.880
<v Speaker 2>to follow. I feel like we're kind of in that

0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:27.200
<v Speaker 2>territory now with LSU. How do you build upon that

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:30.719
<v Speaker 2>once in a generation season. They've got some momentum from it,

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:33.600
<v Speaker 2>but it's a tough act to follow, and I fear

0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 2>for Ed Orgeron that no matter how well they do,

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 2>if they don't live up to that billing. It's it's

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:42.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna leave fans underwhelmed because it's so close in the

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 2>rear view mirror.

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know.

0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I think there is a real likelihood that there's a

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:52.719
<v Speaker 2>solid bounce back from some uncertainty a year ago, but

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 2>it's just not enough to appease the fan base, and

0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 2>that's what I worry about. I root for Amu, I

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 2>root for coach O, but I feel like that is

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 2>a probability at this point, just given how high the

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 2>heights were a.

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Couple seasons ago. Yeah, I mean it's it's basically we're

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.280
<v Speaker 1>going to come down if there's not a special situation

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 1>at quarterback with Lso we're going to be having similar

0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:21.320
<v Speaker 1>conversations as to what we had in twenty thirteen, fourteen, whatever,

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:23.799
<v Speaker 1>where it's how long can they go nine and three

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and keep coaching? It is okay, how long can they

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 1>keep how long can they keep going nine and three?

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:31.879
<v Speaker 1>And you know that that might become the question or

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean until they get to Bama, all of those

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:40.560
<v Speaker 1>games on paper are winnable, and then after Bama it's

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas at home, Monroe at home, A and m at home. No, Okay,

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:51.560
<v Speaker 1>let's go to Christoph for our purposes here, can we

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.360
<v Speaker 1>just assume it is Ed Harris's character in the Truman

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Show always, That's where I was going with it.

0:44:56.719 --> 0:45:00.800
<v Speaker 2>We're in the backwards beret. Let's just assume it's the

0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 2>same Christoff.

0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 1>He says.

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Next year, James Franklaris is at USC. Okay, Matt Campbell's

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:13.400
<v Speaker 2>at Michigan. Luke Fickles at Penn State. Who has the

0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:17.879
<v Speaker 2>most success going forward, let's say by twenty twenty five.

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 2>So this pretty big coaching carousel here. Sure, if Franklin

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 2>goes to USC, which has been rumored for a long time,

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that happens. I don't think Franklin's

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 2>the right move for USC. If I'm being honest, Recruiting

0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:30.799
<v Speaker 2>talent is not their problem. That's what Franklin does well.

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:34.760
<v Speaker 2>But that's a separate conversation. He's hired good coordinators. Though

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 2>he's hired good coordinators.

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I enjoyed the work of Shoop and Brent Prye,

0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:46.360
<v Speaker 1>okay and Joe moorehead Yeah, Okay, Fine, that's a separate conversation.

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Franklin goes to USC, Campbell goes to Michigan, Luke Fickles

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 1>at Penn State. Who has the most success going forward?

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Let's say by twenty twenty five. Well, only one of

0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 1>those teams as Ohio State in their division, so there's

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.719
<v Speaker 1>the roadblock element. Or excuse me, two of those teams,

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:10.600
<v Speaker 1>excuse me, the Michigan and Penn State. I would probably

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 1>say James Franklin at USC has the most success. I

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.959
<v Speaker 1>think I would agree with that as well. I don't

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:20.360
<v Speaker 1>believe USC. I mean, they have annual Notre Dame, but

0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 1>they haven't scheduled any big headline September games against Power

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:27.359
<v Speaker 1>five opponents. You know, I don't believe there's any sort

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 1>of Texas Alabama in Michigan, any of those kinds of

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.760
<v Speaker 1>matchups on their non conference light over these next few years.

0:46:35.239 --> 0:46:39.760
<v Speaker 1>So that's a nice element for your final record. Fickle

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:41.279
<v Speaker 1>at Penn State, I think would succeed, and I think

0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Matt Campbell at Michigan woulducceed. I think they all block. Yeah,

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I think they'd all do well.

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:47.719
<v Speaker 2>The problem with a question like this, and we get

0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 2>a thousand of them every time we open up the inbox.

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 2>If you're looking four years down the line, you have

0:46:56.320 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 2>to play a logical a probability game, and that game

0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 2>is exactly what you said. Who has the fewest land mines?

0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 2>The answer is USC. USC has a built in talent

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 2>advantage being in southern California. If they brought James Franklin over,

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 2>they would clearly have a very gifted recruiter. Say what

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 2>you want about Franklin, he may not be the best.

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Inside two minutes, the dude can recruit.

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:22.480
<v Speaker 1>No, he recruits and hires really well.

0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:24.840
<v Speaker 2>He recruits and he hires really well, and so that

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 2>would be an attractive spot if you are a top

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:31.760
<v Speaker 2>recruit to go and play for Franklin in LA. Fewer

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:34.320
<v Speaker 2>land mines for sure. I think Matt Campbe will be

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.319
<v Speaker 2>great at Michigan. I think Luke Fickle will be fine

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 2>wherever he went, be at Penn State or anywhere else.

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:42.759
<v Speaker 2>But for sure, the fewest land mines to success in

0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:45.240
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five, definitely USC.

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay. But so there's the expectation at all three of

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 1>those programs, especially if the playoff goes to twelve and

0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, that these teams consistently are in or

0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 1>near the playoff. Yeah, that they should be nothing less

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:05.799
<v Speaker 1>than top twelve ish annually right, Yeah, no, for sure,

0:48:05.800 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 1>considering the advantages that Michigan, USC and Penn State have.

0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:13.360
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Ohio State is a roadblock and USC in

0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the conference only really appears to have one major nationalist roadblock,

0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:20.719
<v Speaker 1>which is Oregon, and that's the other side of the conference.

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Michigan has work to do. But if they only lose

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:29.799
<v Speaker 1>to Ohio State, they'll make the playoff every year.

0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 1>If they lose to Penn State and Ohio State, it's trickier,

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 1>but there will be years where they they're in that

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:42.480
<v Speaker 1>playoff conversation, and they should do no worse than you know,

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 1>splitting every you know, winning every other year against each other,

0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Penn State and Michigan, given how strong those programs could

0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:53.400
<v Speaker 1>be with the right coach. So we're still talking about

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 1>the best of all three of those guys being a

0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:01.600
<v Speaker 1>playoff caliber team I think right now, given what the

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>divisions look like, because if I mean, if Luke Fickles

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 1>at Penn State and Matt Campbell's at Michigan, they're playing

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 1>each other. So if they're hitting their ceilings as well,

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 1>that's a really tough division along with Ryan Day and

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State presuming he's still there. So I have more

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 1>faith that the Big ten East will be more difficult

0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:20.479
<v Speaker 1>to navigate long term. I agree with that with those

0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:24.680
<v Speaker 1>three coaches. I agree with that than what the PAC

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:29.480
<v Speaker 1>twelve South's outlook is, which is beware a Jedfish. Everyone's

0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:33.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about Jedfish. He's actually recruiting pretty well all things considered, like,

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:36.760
<v Speaker 1>there is decent energy in Tucson, but things are uncertain

0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:39.360
<v Speaker 1>right now in Tempe considering some of the allegations. We

0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 1>know Kyle Whittingham is going to feeld a very good

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.600
<v Speaker 1>team more often than not, but that generally has a

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:48.719
<v Speaker 1>December ceiling. And I guess we'll wait and see on Colorado,

0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:51.120
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think the expectations are super high there.

0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:58.360
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think of a USC, even at eighty

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.839
<v Speaker 1>nine point two percent capacity, he is winning the South

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:01.359
<v Speaker 1>every year.

0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:05.320
<v Speaker 2>You know why this question is is moot from the jump?

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Why Because we agreed several months ago. Clay Helton's going

0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:14.480
<v Speaker 2>to coach forever. He's never getting fired at USC. Oh man, folks,

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 2>He's never getting fired at USC right now.

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean the big problem with USC is just

0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:22.000
<v Speaker 1>full university buy in with football.

0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:25.319
<v Speaker 2>That's full university buy in with football. Sure, but he's

0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:28.279
<v Speaker 2>never getting fired. I hope people realize that God never

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:28.800
<v Speaker 2>going to happen.

0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:31.279
<v Speaker 1>Thrilled? Where do we want to go next? Where do

0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:32.440
<v Speaker 1>we want to go next? You get to pick k

0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I wants to know which or what college football game

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:37.880
<v Speaker 1>this year? Would you advise that I planned my bachelor

0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:42.880
<v Speaker 1>party around attending. Please factor in location, game hype, accessibility,

0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and tailgating contacts. I'm a Notre Dame alum living in

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:48.160
<v Speaker 1>New York. I'd prefer to do a Notre Dame game,

0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 1>but I'm struggling to find a home weekend that works

0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:52.319
<v Speaker 1>with my schedule due to weddings and other obligations. I

0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:54.520
<v Speaker 1>work broadly in higher education. A lot of my job

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:57.960
<v Speaker 1>involves visiting university campuses, which I love, so I'm considering

0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:00.440
<v Speaker 1>opening it up to any college football game. Would love

0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:02.799
<v Speaker 1>to hear your thoughts. Just go to whatever Texas game

0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:08.520
<v Speaker 1>you want to go to. Notre Dame Wisconsin in Chicago,

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty good. You got to go. It's late September, right, yeah, Okay,

0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:20.759
<v Speaker 1>September sales Twitch. My sales pitch with Chicago is it

0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:23.759
<v Speaker 1>could be really nice in late September. You never know, though,

0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:26.440
<v Speaker 1>it could be really nice. If you want to go

0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:28.680
<v Speaker 1>out on a lake, there's a lake right there. It's

0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:30.080
<v Speaker 1>easy to get back in the city.

0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:32.399
<v Speaker 2>He's in New Yorky City to get to so it's

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:35.239
<v Speaker 2>a it's a quick flight over to Chicago. I think

0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:37.960
<v Speaker 2>it should be pretty nice in Chicago and to September.

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.480
<v Speaker 2>You're not talking snowflurry. So the only problem with it

0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:43.759
<v Speaker 2>is you're not going to a college town. You're not

0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:45.640
<v Speaker 2>going to a college town. But he said that he

0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:50.040
<v Speaker 2>works broadly in higher education and his job involves visiting

0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 2>university campuses, so maybe he doesn't feel the need to

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:55.439
<v Speaker 2>scratch that itch to go to a campus to watch

0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.560
<v Speaker 2>a game. Go to Soldier Field, go to Soldier Field,

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Undel.

0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:02.439
<v Speaker 1>You can you can go to breweries, you can play

0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:04.480
<v Speaker 1>golf if you want a golf, you can eat crazy

0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:07.200
<v Speaker 1>well in Chicago, you can see Notre Dame Wisconsin, which

0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:08.839
<v Speaker 1>legitimately should be a very good game.

0:52:09.719 --> 0:52:09.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:13.480
<v Speaker 1>The only the only down part is it might be blustery,

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:16.640
<v Speaker 1>which is never the most fastory. Though at the end

0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:21.120
<v Speaker 1>of September in Chicago, ty it's the windy city. Okay, true,

0:52:21.440 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 1>that's that's a reference to politics. But it is the

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:26.840
<v Speaker 1>windy city. I'm a big fan of Chicago, but I

0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:30.520
<v Speaker 1>could see why Chicago is not the most popular destination

0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:31.880
<v Speaker 1>for bachelor party.

0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:34.560
<v Speaker 2>If you are if you, yeah, if you, that's also

0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:36.680
<v Speaker 2>a good point. But I'm just saying, if you're a

0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame alam, if you're living in New York, if

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.239
<v Speaker 2>you already have your fill of college campuses, go to

0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 2>some place easy to get to. You know, it's a

0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:45.480
<v Speaker 2>big game. Notre Dame Wisconsin should be a big game.

0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:46.279
<v Speaker 2>The jack Cone Bowl.

0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:48.560
<v Speaker 1>We're very excited about the jack Cone Bowl here at saliverbo.

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Go to Chicago. Go to Chicago, get Dan Dan, cook

0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:55.399
<v Speaker 1>him a pizza. You'll do that a full hotels. Well,

0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:57.400
<v Speaker 1>he's got a whole bachelor party. It's not just one pizza.

0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:00.640
<v Speaker 1>You just cook one pizza. One pizza everybody. It's a slice.

0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh man. Yeah, I just I always like going somewhere

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:09.879
<v Speaker 1>warm with a bachelor party. Well, you're from California, there's nothing. Yeah,

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Arizona is a nice bachelor party destination, but I don't

0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:14.840
<v Speaker 1>think there's a huge, huge game going on in Arizona.

0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:18.160
<v Speaker 1>In September is still really really hot. But yeah, if

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:19.360
<v Speaker 1>you want to get out on some water. And if

0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:21.320
<v Speaker 1>you want a golf you can do that most places.

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:23.440
<v Speaker 1>If you want to eat well, you can do that

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 1>most places. And if seeing Notre Dame football is important

0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:28.719
<v Speaker 1>to him, and maybe he went to Notre Dame and

0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 1>has a bunch of Notre Dame buddies, so it's important

0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:32.360
<v Speaker 1>to that group. Yeah, it makes sense.

0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Go to go to Chicago late September, not name Wisconsin.

0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 2>That'd be a great tailgating scene, right, I would think

0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:41.439
<v Speaker 2>that'd be an amazing tailgating scene.

0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what the parking lot is like

0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:46.680
<v Speaker 1>around Soldier Fields. It's never the same inside of a

0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:48.640
<v Speaker 1>city in terms of room and energy.

0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:53.040
<v Speaker 2>But true, true, but that's a wee eat well you

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:54.920
<v Speaker 2>can you can eat well, you can play in around

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:55.319
<v Speaker 2>that game.

0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Let's go one or two more island. There's a brewery

0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:00.560
<v Speaker 1>on an island in the middle of the city island. Yeah,

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:01.800
<v Speaker 1>I got the IPA downstairs.

0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:04.719
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's go one more football and then I

0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:06.960
<v Speaker 2>want to ask my show Hey Otani question.

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, you have a lot of what I would

0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:12.799
<v Speaker 1>consider to be problematic show Hey Otani thoughts. But let's

0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:16.840
<v Speaker 1>go we'll get that, Okay, do I cool. Where do

0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:19.040
<v Speaker 1>we want to go into a very topical thing to say,

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.839
<v Speaker 1>let's see what opinion about the sport has changed as

0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:28.960
<v Speaker 1>you got older? That's from D Smith? What a D Smith?

0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:32.799
<v Speaker 1>What opinion about the sport has changed? You out older?

0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I've talked about my postseason thing where Yeah, that's that's

0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the worst wistful.

0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.040
<v Speaker 2>It's the worst opinion you've ever had. But I still

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:43.720
<v Speaker 2>love you and now I'm around now. Now my success

0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:46.279
<v Speaker 2>is tied to your success, so I have to try

0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 2>and be nice to you about it, which I'll continue

0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:56.440
<v Speaker 2>to do. I grew up with a mother who was

0:54:56.600 --> 0:55:02.200
<v Speaker 2>a lifelong educator mm hmm, taught school for thirty some

0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:06.719
<v Speaker 2>odd years before retiring, and so much of my programming

0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:14.839
<v Speaker 2>as a lad as a ute as a developing college

0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:19.120
<v Speaker 2>football fan, was around the value of a scholarship and

0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:20.880
<v Speaker 2>that a scholarship was good enough.

0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:22.560
<v Speaker 1>A scholarship should be good.

0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Enough for some of these student athletes moving on playing

0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:29.960
<v Speaker 2>at the next level. They should be proud to have

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:30.879
<v Speaker 2>that scholarship.

0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:32.400
<v Speaker 1>It has value.

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that opinion for me has drastically changed over the

0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:40.200
<v Speaker 2>years that I've been doing this show, that we've been

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:43.319
<v Speaker 2>doing this show together, and you know, I'm not going

0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:46.640
<v Speaker 2>to act like we're privy to any kind of advanced

0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:50.040
<v Speaker 2>intel or we see the world through a different lens

0:55:50.080 --> 0:55:51.839
<v Speaker 2>now that we're doing this show. Maybe that's a little

0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 2>bit true. But I just feel like, over the course

0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:58.600
<v Speaker 2>of time, as you see these billion dollar deals that

0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:02.840
<v Speaker 2>are being signed by works to cover the games, as you.

0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Shoe companies with the schools, yeah, some huge ones.

0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, and I think more importantly as maybe

0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the closer you get to this, the more you realize

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 2>how much these institutions own, truly own, these student athletes.

0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:20.759
<v Speaker 2>Every waking moment is given to the program given to

0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:25.919
<v Speaker 2>the football institution at those respective schools. My opinion has

0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:29.799
<v Speaker 2>changed on what the value of that scholarship really is.

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:34.080
<v Speaker 2>And so I have gone from I think just kind

0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:39.440
<v Speaker 2>of being a hive mind with Mama h and feeling

0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:42.359
<v Speaker 2>that the scholarship should should be good enough to now

0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:47.600
<v Speaker 2>going completely in the opposite direction, full bore, nil, full bore.

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Let's get these kids get paid somehow, some way and

0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:55.239
<v Speaker 2>cash in on their name, image, likeness. So that for me,

0:56:55.440 --> 0:56:58.040
<v Speaker 2>I think, is it's got to be the answer.

0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I used to night games, Oh did I love like

0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even tell you that the channels on the

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 1>West Coast like Prime Ticket, Yeah, Fox Sports West, shout

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:19.240
<v Speaker 1>out Petros, Papadacus and Steve phisiok, Ted Robbs, all those guys.

0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I hate him, not anymore. I hate him so much

0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:27.200
<v Speaker 1>that now that I am in the Central time zone

0:57:27.200 --> 0:57:28.800
<v Speaker 1>and was in the Eastern time zone and now have

0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:31.400
<v Speaker 1>two small children that wake up early, Pack twelve after

0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:34.120
<v Speaker 1>dark is pack twelve dans in bed. Yeah, let's pack

0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:37.200
<v Speaker 1>it in. For me, that's wake up early and watch

0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:40.640
<v Speaker 1>it then. I just and I legitimately I love night

0:57:40.640 --> 0:57:43.240
<v Speaker 1>games because on the West Coast, the primetime game is

0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 1>what a five fifteen kickoff, the you know Fowler Herb

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Street ESPN game that was great. I couldn't order an

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:57.760
<v Speaker 1>early dinner. And I hate like even there is even

0:57:57.840 --> 0:57:59.680
<v Speaker 1>something about and this is a me thing. This is

0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:02.120
<v Speaker 1>a me old man thing. I'm not trying to project

0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:05.200
<v Speaker 1>this on anybody else, but even an Oregon game that

0:58:05.280 --> 0:58:10.560
<v Speaker 1>starts at eight o'clock Central time Zone, somewhere in that

0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:14.120
<v Speaker 1>vicinity seven thirty eight, I roll my eyes. And it's

0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:17.000
<v Speaker 1>just because I'm ancient and washed up. But to me,

0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:19.960
<v Speaker 1>that also says if it's on a major network that

0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:22.640
<v Speaker 1>we're getting a long halftime. It feels that way anyway

0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:27.320
<v Speaker 1>with the commercial breaks, and I'm rolling with that game

0:58:27.400 --> 0:58:32.880
<v Speaker 1>until eleven thirty twelve, and that's not my preference. Pack it,

0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:38.360
<v Speaker 1>pack it. In my my West Coast college football viewing career,

0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:42.480
<v Speaker 1>loved a good night game. So that's what's changed with me.

0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:44.800
<v Speaker 1>We've grown. But now also, and if you remember from

0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:47.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know three years ago, three four years ago,

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Chris Peterson's comments about road night games and how much

0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:53.520
<v Speaker 1>it affects that just the full week's schedule, because now

0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:55.440
<v Speaker 1>they're not getting home until the next day or in

0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night, and it's just in terms

0:58:58.800 --> 0:59:02.520
<v Speaker 1>of consideration for scaledue. It's a wrench for teams. That

0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:07.560
<v Speaker 1>doesn't affect my opinion. It's all selfishly how it affects me.

0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:11.280
<v Speaker 1>And that's what's changed. I used to love them attending,

0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.800
<v Speaker 1>watching whatever, one other thing that I'll throw in very

0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:17.680
<v Speaker 1>quickly and then I want to get to my show. Hey, Otani,

0:59:17.760 --> 0:59:21.040
<v Speaker 1>question from David maybe the best question we've ever been asked.

0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I used to be I used to like lionize the

0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 1>ability to watch or the ability to have like six

0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:32.959
<v Speaker 1>TVs on it once, watch watch six TVs at once

0:59:33.280 --> 0:59:37.960
<v Speaker 1>watching college football. Right, maybe I'm like to add for

0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:41.360
<v Speaker 1>my own good, I could really only deal with one

0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:46.320
<v Speaker 1>TV at this point. You're mononymous, and maybe Twitter, maybe

0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Twitter on a second screen to just see what people are.

0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:55.200
<v Speaker 1>You'll flirt people are reacting to. Yeah, all right, I

0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:58.040
<v Speaker 1>can make two TVs work. I can make it work,

0:59:58.040 --> 1:00:00.400
<v Speaker 1>but I could really only pay attention to one. Eventually,

1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:02.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be a homeowner and it is going

1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:05.040
<v Speaker 1>to be my attempt to mount to TVs either next

1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:07.320
<v Speaker 1>to or one above the other. Will you go? I

1:00:07.320 --> 1:00:07.960
<v Speaker 1>can make two work?

1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Will you go full Ari Wasserman and have somebody install

1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:12.880
<v Speaker 2>them for you? Or will you give it the old college?

1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Try? Well? In this current rental house, there was already

1:00:17.400 --> 1:00:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the hanging brackets or whatever on the wall, the mountain

1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:23.360
<v Speaker 1>just on the wall. But my brother in law and

1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I physically lifted the TV and mounted and secured it.

1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:28.640
<v Speaker 1>So we did half of it half of it. So

1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:32.000
<v Speaker 1>if that counts for anything, I will gladly let somebody

1:00:32.000 --> 1:00:34.800
<v Speaker 1>else do that work. I am capable. I'll let somebody

1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:37.720
<v Speaker 1>else do it. I don't know. Final question up.

1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Final question from David yeah, what would the shoh Otani

1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:44.000
<v Speaker 2>of college football look like?

1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:47.400
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I can I just put one last

1:00:47.400 --> 1:00:50.480
<v Speaker 1>thing on the end of that, please. I used to

1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:53.360
<v Speaker 1>not prefer and get kind of annoyed at going to

1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:56.240
<v Speaker 1>a sports bar to watch games, but I have missed

1:00:56.320 --> 1:01:00.760
<v Speaker 1>human contact so much. Yeah that if you if like

1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:02.480
<v Speaker 1>if a friend of mine, I don't know when the

1:01:02.480 --> 1:01:04.439
<v Speaker 1>next NBA Finals game is, but if so, if somebody

1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:06.760
<v Speaker 1>invited me to go see an NBA Finals game and

1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:08.960
<v Speaker 1>there was a basket of tots and some sort of

1:01:09.000 --> 1:01:15.720
<v Speaker 1>attractive dipping sauce, I'd be really friggin pumped about. All right,

1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:17.960
<v Speaker 1>final final question? Who is the otan?

1:01:18.160 --> 1:01:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Or no?

1:01:18.680 --> 1:01:21.120
<v Speaker 1>What does the Otani of college football look like?

1:01:21.240 --> 1:01:21.320
<v Speaker 2>So?

1:01:21.800 --> 1:01:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Cho Atani is a combination like that we've never.

1:01:27.360 --> 1:01:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Really seen in Major League baseball. He's a pitcher and

1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:35.280
<v Speaker 2>also he hits really well and like leads Major League

1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Baseball in home runs at the All Star break. What

1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:42.120
<v Speaker 2>is that combination like in college football?

1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:45.600
<v Speaker 1>So it's almost unheard of historically, right, like Tonthampton could

1:01:45.720 --> 1:01:48.640
<v Speaker 1>could kind of hit right, but not like this, not

1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:51.040
<v Speaker 1>like this, and then Babe Ruth but then he gave

1:01:51.120 --> 1:01:52.720
<v Speaker 1>up pitching. He gave up pitching.

1:01:53.320 --> 1:01:56.600
<v Speaker 2>So what David is asking, is the Otani equivalent in

1:01:56.640 --> 1:02:01.000
<v Speaker 2>college football, somebody who is a quarterback and kicker, an

1:02:01.040 --> 1:02:03.160
<v Speaker 2>offensive lineman and cornerback.

1:02:03.360 --> 1:02:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Is it something we'll ever see?

1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:06.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's got to be a guy who plays

1:02:06.960 --> 1:02:12.920
<v Speaker 2>more than one position on a regular basis. I don't

1:02:13.000 --> 1:02:16.240
<v Speaker 2>know if we'll ever see it in this current iteration

1:02:16.320 --> 1:02:19.440
<v Speaker 2>of college football, although it was hard to predict that

1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:21.560
<v Speaker 2>we would ever see an Otani to begin with, so

1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:25.640
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to say. I think the combination. I think

1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:32.200
<v Speaker 2>the combination has to be a quarterback with a linebacker.

1:02:33.800 --> 1:02:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Which we saw that flip right with Maryland a few

1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:40.000
<v Speaker 1>years ago. A linebacker was the emergency quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen the flip. We saw the Chaz Surrat. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback to linebacker, but not in the same game. We

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<v Speaker 2>saw Joel Lanning Joel Lanning, So we see that a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not unprecedented, but they're not doing it concurrently. There

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<v Speaker 1>are comparable skills being the quarterback of the offense in

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterback of the defense. So I guess the next

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<v Speaker 1>layer here.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be somebody who could do it both in the

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<v Speaker 2>same game or both in the same season.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me throw this at you, what about a quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>slash defensive coordinator Because I only say that because yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no or no, there's no physical element to being

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<v Speaker 1>the defensive coordinator. But it's a highly specialized role within

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<v Speaker 1>the game. It's whereas because we've seen we saw Miles

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<v Speaker 1>Jack same game, play linebacker and take carries. We've seen

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've seen two way players. We've seen Charles

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<v Speaker 1>Woodson as a starting defensive back come in and I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he was in the return game, which is not unusual,

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<v Speaker 1>but he took some sweeps and you know, lined up

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<v Speaker 1>at receiver and won a Heisman for it. So I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose in reality, in practice, Charles Woodson has been the

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<v Speaker 1>closest we've come to a top level player. But he

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<v Speaker 1>was not the best or one of the four best

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<v Speaker 1>receivers in the country. He was defensive black who lined

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<v Speaker 1>up a receiver and who return kicks. You know, had

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<v Speaker 1>times really well. But it would it would have to

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<v Speaker 1>be somebody god because it I understand where he's coming

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<v Speaker 1>from from the offensive line in corner where physically they're

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<v Speaker 1>so different and so unusual. But I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 1>living necessarily in reality size wise.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I mean we're talking about if we look at

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<v Speaker 2>Otani's batting stats in particular, right, thirty three home runs,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy RBIs at the break hitting two seventy nine with

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<v Speaker 2>a on base percentage of three sixty four. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>a monster season. That's a monster season by any measure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>in baseball. And then if you compair the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he can also pitch, he can also pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, you know. I mean, let's take a look at

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<v Speaker 1>the stats here. This is a guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a pretty low whip. He's got a mid

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<v Speaker 2>three ERA in the America League, which is pretty good,

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<v Speaker 2>sixty seven innings pitched, eighty seven strikeouts, so he can

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<v Speaker 2>throw and you can strike guys out. He can do

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of everything here. I just I don't

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<v Speaker 2>to have a guy who is that consistent on both

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<v Speaker 2>sides or in two different aspects of baseball is really

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<v Speaker 2>unheard of, and so I think it would have to

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<v Speaker 2>be an odd combination. In football, one of the suggestions

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<v Speaker 2>was quarterbacking kicker, which would be interesting that I think

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<v Speaker 2>is attainable.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I'm not as impressed. Was that

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<v Speaker 1>what Sammy bad did? I believe I think so maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm making that up. Yeah, I'm not as impressed with

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback kicker. To me, the answer is actually because

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<v Speaker 1>if the quarterback is the analog to the pitcher in

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<v Speaker 1>that like, it's either the most cerebral position, right, are

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<v Speaker 1>that we assuming that catcher would be most cerebral? But okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well you're in your head more With pitcher, you're in

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<v Speaker 1>more the ball is in your hand deciding the game

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<v Speaker 1>in the same way you're in quarterback. Right, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's quarterback and edge rusher. I think there is that

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<v Speaker 1>that distinct difference between. Right, you're attacking in both instances

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<v Speaker 1>what you do on the other side of the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know the ins and outs of the position.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a slugger, you know the ins and outs

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<v Speaker 1>of what a pitcher is going to do and how

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<v Speaker 1>to react to a pitch. So that to me is

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<v Speaker 1>probably it. If von Miller were a Heisman caliber quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>if Trevor Lawrence were had seventeen and a half tackles

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<v Speaker 1>for a loss in a season, that is probably the

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<v Speaker 1>closest I can come up with because the skill set

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<v Speaker 1>is so different but also related. So you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>Vic Beasley is a Heisman quarterback. If you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to think of every you know, if Aaron Donald

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<v Speaker 1>is a quarterback, I mean he's not edge, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing, to me is the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>where you are in the trenches on one side of

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<v Speaker 1>the ball, probably on defense attacking, and then on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the ball you are picking a part

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<v Speaker 1>of defense. Yeah, I was probably I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to go back to Charles Woodson bit and I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to say if a receiver came along who

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<v Speaker 2>was also a shutdown corner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but those things feel related. They're playing the pass,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're battling each other every play, and so

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<v Speaker 1>you see a lot of crossover, wasn't there. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a Patriots player who started lining up at corner as

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<v Speaker 1>it was it Troy Troy Smith, Troy Brown, Troy Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>Troy Brown. Yeah, so it is those are at least related. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would. I would say if you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>great edge rushers of it's Miles Garrett. If those guys

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<v Speaker 1>are at quarterback. And I've said this before on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time I ever saw Cam Newton in person,

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<v Speaker 1>he was on the sidelines. It was the Florida Tennessee

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<v Speaker 1>game two thousand and eight, and I just walked by

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<v Speaker 1>a dude who looked like a god, and I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that dude is going to destroy some quarterback. And it

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<v Speaker 1>turned out he was the quarterback. When I saw it

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<v Speaker 1>to be somebody built like that.

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<v Speaker 2>When I saw Cam Newton in person, I thought he

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<v Speaker 2>was wearing shit older pads. Yeah, he was not worrying.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's going to be you know, if Terrell Pryor

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<v Speaker 1>we're an edge rusher, we're like, geez man, this dude

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<v Speaker 1>is another guy that is the closest I could come

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<v Speaker 1>up with, just because the skill set is so different. Otani,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, making only five and a half million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars this year, so maybe that'll change. Sometimes you're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the clip of Mina Kimes, who is a Mariners fan,

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<v Speaker 1>like the cameras were rolling ahead of an Around the

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<v Speaker 1>Horn episode when she found out that Otani signed with

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<v Speaker 1>the Angels and she was crushed, just absolutely demolished.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the first year that I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing the legend of Otani. You know, it's always

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<v Speaker 2>been there and he's always been able to do these things,

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<v Speaker 2>but what he's done this season is just remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, that's rifle. You're ready to rifle. Let's rifle real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Favorite wedding song to hear as a guest. When it

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<v Speaker 1>comes on, you're like, this is mate, living on a prayer.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to dance with somebody. Whitney Houston Sneaky Kuavo.

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<v Speaker 1>How often do you try and exercise?

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<v Speaker 2>How often do I try to exercise versus how much

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<v Speaker 2>do I exercise?

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<v Speaker 1>What is your what is your living in reality exercise schedule?

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<v Speaker 2>It is non existent. It's walking the dogs, but hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>now that that's exercise. Don't know that's exercise. How long

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<v Speaker 2>of a walk? About a mile?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you're doing a mile a day, a couple

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<v Speaker 1>miles a.

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<v Speaker 2>Day, two times a day usually that's great. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully more now than I'm no longer at the MDJ.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm at three or four days a week, a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days of tennis, a couple runs, and I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>happy with it. What were Dan and ties first words

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<v Speaker 1>to their wives? Could not tell you, Jimmy could not

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<v Speaker 1>tell you. Co workers solid wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Kate tells me that my art of flirtation, my art

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, getting to know her. Getting her interest

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<v Speaker 2>was one of total avoidance, So I'd advanced to beyond

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<v Speaker 2>anybody's comprehension.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I can't honestly tell you what my first

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<v Speaker 1>words were. You played hard to get with your wife.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was like saying that I played anything credit.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no like tactic.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just a mysterious time. Yeah. Yeah, so mysterious

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<v Speaker 1>Mine was go blue, as in Michigan was where I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's the exact phrasing, because we

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<v Speaker 1>met online and in her profile it said go blue,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I that was my my icebreaker, go blue.

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<v Speaker 1>That was something I could talk about. Nice. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>final question? What's the final question? Uh? Final question? We

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<v Speaker 1>did exercise, we did wedding, we did live question. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here it is zaying. This is a great way to

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<v Speaker 1>answer because it straddles both football and not really college football.

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<v Speaker 1>Besides the broadcasters, is there anything to you that makes

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<v Speaker 1>a games broadcast stand out? Wow? Well, I know the

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<v Speaker 1>answer for you is the bug at the bottom or

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<v Speaker 1>the graphics. That's kind of answer. That's no, not in

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<v Speaker 1>a good one. I assume he wants to know what

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<v Speaker 1>in a good way makes a broadcast really shine. Not

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<v Speaker 1>a bad score bug or belt as it were with ESPN,

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<v Speaker 1>makes a broadcast really shine outside of the commentators. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a good I've had a great tie answer

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<v Speaker 1>here I think would work for you. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>the audio mix, where there's like the palpable feel and

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<v Speaker 1>energy of being in a stadium. Now that you know

1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:25.280
<v Speaker 1>surround sound and good soundbars are pretty affordable, I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people have those, and so it's a

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<v Speaker 1>more immersive experience, especially after last year when a lot

1:11:30.880 --> 1:11:33.760
<v Speaker 1>of these stadiums were far emptier than normal. So the

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<v Speaker 1>audio mix, I think is really important. And I've been

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes to watch somebody and he was an

1:11:38.439 --> 1:11:42.120
<v Speaker 1>artist sort of work the levels. I think that's very important.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the any sort of immersive quality. So the

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<v Speaker 1>the what's it called the wire cam that's behind a play,

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<v Speaker 1>that like even when it's not behind a play, even

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<v Speaker 1>when it's you know, sort of behind a huddle or

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<v Speaker 1>on the sideline as a coach is like struggling with

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<v Speaker 1>the decision whether or not to go on third and

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<v Speaker 1>one or something like that. The close ups, which I

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<v Speaker 1>believe Fox does more close ups than ESPN. They're really

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<v Speaker 1>big on like the emotion of the game, and to me,

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<v Speaker 1>specific for college, is just painting a picture I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I get aroused when I see the changing

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<v Speaker 1>colors in a big ten gamest. I get aroused. I

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<v Speaker 1>get aroused when I see the ball navy. I get

1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:23.639
<v Speaker 1>a rouse like anything that paints the picture and paints

1:12:23.640 --> 1:12:26.960
<v Speaker 1>a scene of that game. If I'm coming back from

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<v Speaker 1>a break and it's not a meaningless but like an

1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:34.760
<v Speaker 1>inconsequential Wisconsin Indiana game or something that doesn't you know,

1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:38.600
<v Speaker 1>they're both three and five. But I'm seeing brots on

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<v Speaker 1>the grill, I'm seeing scenes in the parking lot. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the crowd jump around between the third and fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's anything that's like this couldn't be happening anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>This scene that to me separates a pretty good broadcast,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And a lot of that's the capability and

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<v Speaker 1>the producer and they what kind of shots they want

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<v Speaker 1>and how they want to broadcast a game. But sort

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<v Speaker 1>of time and place to me is very big and

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<v Speaker 1>very important. Yeah. I think, by the way, with broadcasters,

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<v Speaker 1>the really good ones don't overtalk. They let the sort

1:13:12.000 --> 1:13:14.840
<v Speaker 1>of sounds of the game tell the story. That's important.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the thing for me is is you alluded

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<v Speaker 2>to like the wire cam. Some of us are old

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<v Speaker 2>enough to remember when the wire cam was only trotted

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<v Speaker 2>out for something like Monday Night Football or the Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't as ubiquitous as it is now. So

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<v Speaker 2>for me, the wirecam, when I see that, like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, that gives it more of a big game

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<v Speaker 2>feel to me. And I would also jump board the

1:13:38.439 --> 1:13:42.280
<v Speaker 2>atmosphere thing that you alluded to, you know, seeing the

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<v Speaker 2>atmosphere knowing that it's a big game, knowing that it's

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<v Speaker 2>in a big in a cool setting, that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>You know those shots of the mountains surrounding the Rose Bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>That adds to the to the feeld Man, I oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't feel it when you see that, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a heart. But that's the top of the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the top of college football.

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<v Speaker 1>To me in terms of visuals. It can exist anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>It can exist at an FCS school, it can exist

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<v Speaker 1>at a mid level power five school, at a good

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<v Speaker 1>chief whatever. As long as it's not in an NFL stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>I am pretty pumped up about just seeing where this

1:14:21.200 --> 1:14:24.519
<v Speaker 1>game is happening and maybe it's just commercial bumpers. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's on the faces of you know, a notable fan

1:14:28.360 --> 1:14:31.720
<v Speaker 1>section or something like that, whatever it is. But to

1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:36.000
<v Speaker 1>have to like to immediately visually associate a game with

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<v Speaker 1>a place is extremely important to me. It's the people,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the scene, it's outside the stadium, it's inside the stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, weather like a snowy game, a

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<v Speaker 1>rainy game, a sweltering game, a foggy game, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. If those things are emphasized, you know, those

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<v Speaker 1>close up shots of the puddles on the sideline of

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<v Speaker 1>all that tie. I'll give it all to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You're into it, Okay, Well, look, this has been a

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<v Speaker 2>longer than usual show, but one that has been more

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<v Speaker 2>fun than usual and certainly more momentous, perhaps than ever before.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell on out tu verballers dot com for those of

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, the patreon's been fact checking you. They've

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<v Speaker 1>been fact checking me. Great, well, you said West Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>was a buffer on TCU schedule they've lost three or four,

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<v Speaker 1>including a really ugly loss last year to West Virginia. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody said most omelet stations. The guy is only working

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<v Speaker 1>guy or gal two omelets at a time, and you

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<v Speaker 1>said you were good for five with no.

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<v Speaker 2>Experience, I can do five. I stand by that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>find hands for omelets. I stand by I saw this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>did Ty hilden Brand say that he knew people that

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<v Speaker 2>would be happy with a three thirty half marathon? That's

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<v Speaker 2>a sixteen minute mile pace.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, maybe maybe I got my So you can be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of this community fact checking ties what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>You can be Look, I've had a lot going on

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<v Speaker 2>you are interested in getting more of the nitty gritty

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<v Speaker 2>on The Mysterious Day Job show drops Friday morning, six

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<v Speaker 2>am again our new Patreon benefit tears our live at

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<v Speaker 1>I only have one more thing, Ty, Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we can sign off. Friend of the show, co host

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<v Speaker 1>of Big Boy Betts Jeff Schwartz texting me you obviously

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the Q and A episode. The Stanford Tree

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<v Speaker 1>does have a name, El Palo Alto. El Palo Alto,

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<v Speaker 1>as in Palo Alto. The tree is said to represent Alto,

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<v Speaker 1>the redwood tree that is the official symbol of Palo Alto, California,

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<v Speaker 1>where Stanford is situated. It's redwood, Dan, this has been

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<v Speaker 1>a fun show. Longtime, fun show, long time. Come excited.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great things ahead to working more with you,

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<v Speaker 2>to continuing to build out this little thing we started

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<v Speaker 2>over a decade ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited. Hope everyone out there is as well.

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<v Speaker 2>For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinsteed

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<v Speaker 2>from myself, Tie Hilton Brand, We'll catch you all on

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<v Speaker 2>the flip side.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, stay solid, peace, full day job show

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