1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back, fellow conspiracy realist. We're returning with a classic 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: episode that takes us to Brazil. It's a murder mystery, 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: it's a bit of an evangelical story, and it's got 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: a lot of really messed up adoption going on. Guys, 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: did you ever want to start a cult? 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 2: You know? 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 3: He did? 8 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 4: Ben, We all do. Who doesn't. 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: Every time I start a cult, I wish I didn't, 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: But then I just keep starting them. 11 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 4: No, it's a hard impulse to ignore. But today we're 12 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 4: talking about a cult started. 13 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 5: By a particular individual over there in Brazil, a cultural 14 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 5: and political icon by the name of Floria del Dos 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 5: Santos Desuza. We're getting into political corruption at the highest 16 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 5: levels of government that also take on a very cult 17 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 5: like status. 18 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: And this is also the story of Desuza's husband, Anderson Docarmo, 19 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: who was murdered in June of twenty nineteen. The family 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: says it's a robbery gone wrong. The investigators disagree. 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: Let's jump right in. 22 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 23 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 24 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 25 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 26 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Mett, my 27 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: name is Nolan. 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with 29 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: our super producer Paul, Mission Control decand most importantly, you 30 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: are you. You are here and that makes this stuff 31 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. This is a doozy. 32 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: Trying to figure out an entry point into this story 33 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: was pretty tricky. Let's just say cults exclamation mark, question. 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 2: Mark, cults and family strife right right. 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: Today's story takes us to Brazil, and we want to 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: start by thanking multiple listeners, including friend of the show 37 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: EMW for hipping us to this very strange case that 38 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: is currently unfolding. A lot of times, we're careful when 39 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: we explore unfolding cases because the information may change, you know, 40 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: at any given moment. But we're going to give you 41 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: the facts as they stand now. You're right, Matt. This 42 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: story includes family at the heart of it, right, which 43 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: is misleadingly wholesome in the sound. It includes allegations of cults, gospel, government, conspiracy, 44 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: and crime. This is the yet unfinished story of Flora 45 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: Delche dos Santos de Sosa. We are not Portuguese speakers 46 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: so please pardon any mispronunciation speedbumps here. The name might 47 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: be unfamiliar to a lot of our fellow listeners outside 48 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: of Brazil. Well, it's tough to figure out how to 49 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: unravel this Gordian nod of grizzly crime. Let's start at 50 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: the beginning to hear the facts. For anybody who was 51 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: not Brazilian, who is Florida. 52 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 4: De Liche Yeah, Florida Lis dos Santos des Susa. Hope, 53 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 4: I did that Okay. Was born in nineteen sixty one 54 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 4: in a favela in Rio de Janeiro, and that's essentially 55 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 4: a slum if anyone, If anyone's ever seen the movie City. 56 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: Of God, that's a great kind of. 57 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 4: Inroad into the a little bit of the politics, the 58 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 4: crime in her workings and also the living situations of 59 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: this part of the country. Florida Ly's early life was 60 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 4: defined by a lot of tragedy, but also kind of 61 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 4: the notion of being saved and being taken in by 62 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 4: religion in a very, very transformative way. At the age 63 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 4: of fourteen, she lost both her father and her brother 64 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 4: in a car accident, and she found peace and comfort 65 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 4: and solace in church. In the church when she was 66 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 4: very very young. Her family was active in evangelical communities, 67 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 4: and as a child, flor de Leis would visit different 68 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 4: churches which were referred to in the area, often as 69 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 4: evangelical cults, and she was a big part of the 70 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 4: what we got I guess we could probably describe as 71 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 4: gospel singing in various church choirs, but it was much 72 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 4: more of that very kind of highly energetic and almost 73 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 4: a form of a reverie that you know, experience where 74 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 4: like the Word of God is moving through you in. 75 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: Song, yeah, in song. 76 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: Music within the church really would be one of the 77 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: biggest defining things in her life. I mean also as 78 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: well as the tragedy also that we've we've mentioned there, 79 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: But the music is what ends up making this a 80 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: story that we are telling you about right now in 81 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: this weird way, the music takes her on this path to. 82 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 3: Wear a lad really. 83 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a very good point, Matt. So she 84 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: was like many many people of faith in Brazil, she 85 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: was active in the evangelical movement. She lived a very 86 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: wholesome life from the outside. Eventually she married, she had 87 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: several children, and she was later tragically abandoned by her husband, 88 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: but her charitable work began attracting media attention. In nineteen 89 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: ninety three, when she was thirty two years old, she 90 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: began conducting social work programs to assist impoverished drug users, 91 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: drug abuse being a huge problem in a lot of 92 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: low income areas of the world, not just Brazil, and 93 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: she met one Anderson do Carmo de Sosa. She would 94 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: go to Mary Anderson. There is way more to this story, 95 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: but just remember those facts for now. There was also 96 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: a marked age difference. Flora de Leash was sixteen years 97 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: older than Anderson. You know, no judgment. A lot of 98 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: people have beautiful relationships with age differences, right, And she 99 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: reached another incredibly unusual milestone that same year she adopted children. 100 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of us in the audience 101 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: today we are maybe adopted ourselves, or we have adopted children, 102 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: or we know someone who has, and we know that 103 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: it can be a tremendously difficult process, right. I think 104 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 1: we talked about foreign adoptions too in the past briefly. 105 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: But what made what way Flora de Leash's adoption process 106 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: so unique. 107 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: Well, she didn't adopt one child or you know, maybe 108 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: siblings or something. She adopted did victims of a tragedy, 109 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: children whose families were killed in a major incident there 110 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: in the favella where she lived, and there were thirty 111 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: seven children that she adopted. 112 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: Thirty seven. 113 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you heard that correctly, thirty seven all at once. 114 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: By the way, there's a strange note there, right, a 115 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: little bit of a discordant note in our song, or 116 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: an inspiring one, depending on how familiar you become with 117 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: this story. It didn't stop there. As of today twenty twenty, 118 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: Flordelish has a total of four biological children and more 119 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: than fifty adopted children. She did not stop at thirty seven. 120 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: This massive adoption was seen as an unbelievable, almost superhuman 121 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: act of charity. It catapulted her into the public eye 122 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: as one of the kind, most wholesome people in the country. 123 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: And now there's even a film based on her life. 124 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: The English title is floor Delish. It takes but one 125 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: word to change Basta uma palava para mudak. 126 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 4: It's also like it's starring a lot of very very 127 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: big names in Brazilian cinema, So I mean, she is 128 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 4: absolutely a household name and the story would have resonated 129 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 4: in the same way a story about like a massive 130 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 4: celebrity or political figure here in the United States would 131 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: have So it was like a big deal over there, 132 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 4: but we just don't really get any of that over here. 133 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 4: It's something we had to kind of do a lot 134 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 4: of digging for. 135 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: It's interesting. 136 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, think about that a woman decides to take on 137 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: the lives of all of these children, to support them, 138 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: to be the mother to them, right, I mean, that's incredible, 139 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: and and she's continuing to do that. You can totally 140 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: imagine why that part of her life, that that story 141 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 2: in her life is worth making a film about that. 142 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: That's that's an inspiring thing if that's all you know. 143 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, this is this is comparable in some ways 144 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: to uh to the fame enjoyed by Mother Teresa in 145 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: her heyday before the the abuse witnesses came out. Your 146 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: right know about the actors. These are Brazilian A List stars, 147 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: the kinds of people who make millions as actors. Many 148 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: of them refuse to be paid for their performances because 149 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: they thought they were doing a kind of a good 150 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: deed a mitzvah by by spreading the story of this 151 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: this legendary grace. You know, this near saintly action, and 152 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: the profits from the film, which did quite well, went 153 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: to support her enormous family. And and so now here 154 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: we are, if we're her, we have a gigantic family. 155 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: We have at the very least become one of the 156 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: most popular, well known people in Brazil or all of 157 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: Latin America. We finally have enough money to buy a 158 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: new house. What's what's next? 159 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: And all of this led to I mean, first of all, 160 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 4: she's got this almost saintly kind of profile in her 161 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 4: in her country, and all of this leads to a 162 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 4: very high profile and fascinating and multi tiered career that 163 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 4: we're going to talk a little bit more about after 164 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 4: one quick sponsor break and we're back as we were 165 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 4: talking about before the break. You know, Florid de Ly 166 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 4: is almost attained already this kind of legendary staff these 167 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 4: you know, a lists Brazilian actors or saying no, I 168 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: refuse to take any salary. I want to do this service, 169 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 4: you know, to this amazing human being, to spread the word, 170 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 4: to tell her story. You really hit right on the headbend, 171 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 4: very much a Mother Teresa type figure. So the film 172 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 4: is an absolute blockbuster in Brazil, she then uses that 173 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 4: clout and notoriety to pursue her first love. I guess 174 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 4: after God would have been singing about God gospel music. 175 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 4: She already has this kind of captive audience, this fan 176 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 4: base that she just wants to grow even further, and 177 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 4: she does just that because she's basically this cult of 178 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 4: personality at this point, she's this absolutely curated cult of personality. 179 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: And should you wish, wait till the end of this episode, 180 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: But should you wish, you can find her music on YouTube, 181 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: and you can find her albums on Spotify. I strongly 182 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: advise you wait for the rest of the episode before 183 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: you make that decision. But she she wasn't alone in 184 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: her rise to fame because her husband, Anderson, was no 185 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: sit at home kind of guy. 186 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 4: Right, No, now, he was out there pounding the pavement 187 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 4: for the Lord as well. 188 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an enormously successful evangelical pastor. You can read 189 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more about the rise of the evangelical 190 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: movement in the Atlantic. There's a great article called the 191 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: Rise of the Brazilian Evangelicals that gives a good sense 192 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: of the cultural context. But for our purposes today, just 193 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: picture Anderson as one of the most famous religious figures 194 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: in you're part of the world right living religious figures. 195 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not quite the Pope, of course, but 196 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: he is. He is someone that is very well known. 197 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: If you are an evangelical in Brazil, you're very much 198 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: aware of this man. He and his wife are a 199 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: countrywide power couple. 200 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: Right. 201 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: But things are things are getting weird behind the curtain. 202 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: Things are definitely getting weird. By the way. 203 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 2: I imagine Anderson as Robert Tilton. I don't know if 204 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: you remember that guy, but that's who I imagine him 205 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 2: as in my head. I don't know if any of 206 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 2: you know who Robert Tilton is. He he became famous 207 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: for his compilations or compilations that were made of him 208 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: where he flatulates a lot, but he's not really But 209 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: it's the farting preacher. If you don't know what that is, 210 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: then yeah, but Robert Tilton is a real preacher and 211 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: he's a real evangelical guy. But I'm just imagining this 212 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 2: guy as that. It might not be a good one 213 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: to one, but that's what I've got in my head. 214 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 3: I used to watch him when I was a kid 215 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: growing up. 216 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 4: Really weird stuff is He is the far arding just 217 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 4: part of his stick or is it happening video catching 218 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 4: him farting. 219 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: No, he's not actually tooting at all. There's no touting whatsoever. 220 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: It was just something the Internet made anyway. Sorry, that's 221 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: just how people know him, I guess. Now, So the 222 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: problem here is you've got you've got several avenues of 223 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: money for this family, right, You've got anything that's like 224 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: coming in from that movie that was made. You've got 225 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: Anderson's stuff going on over here with the Evangelical Church, 226 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: all the money I guess the money that comes in 227 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: tax free for all of that. Then you've also got 228 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: her whole career as a singer, right, there's money coming 229 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: in there. You've got really three major tiers of money. 230 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: I'm assuming there's other stuff too, with real estate or 231 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: other things that we just don't know about our privy 232 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: we're not privy too. But Anderson really starts grabbing the 233 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: reins for all of that stuff. He starts taking over 234 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: all of the family finances, and in a lot of relationships, 235 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: controller finances and become a major issue. And in this 236 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: family it became a very big problem. 237 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: Oh no kidding, yeah, I mean financial imbalance leads us 238 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: to the problem of hierarchy and consent. Right Can someone 239 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: consent to one who controls them? Can they truly do so? 240 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: It's a huge problem with human society, and it's compounded 241 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: when the stakes are this high. I would add one 242 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: more income stream, which would be non church related donations 243 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: to the family, but those are those are inconsistent, you know. 244 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: So Anderson is not just taking control of the family finances. 245 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: He's also taking control in a way. He's almost fighting 246 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: a cold war with Fleur Deliche over the over like 247 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: things as small as the chores in the house, over 248 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: the decision making process for the family, and this small 249 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: army of children, and we want to plant that seat. 250 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: That's what's happening behind the scenes. But if you are 251 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: the average Brazilian at this point, it's still hunky dory, 252 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Mother Teresa got married and 253 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: these children are growing up, they're doing well. What an inspiration. 254 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: This fame, this religious base and this secular fame in 255 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: music became a wonderful avenue into politics. There was a 256 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: calculation here and Florid Deliche first ran for a city 257 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: council position in two thousand and four. Then she ran 258 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: for a mayoral position in twenty sixteen and in twenty nineteen. 259 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: Very recently, to give you a sense of how the 260 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: story develops, she was elected to the federal Congress in Rio. 261 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: She was I think she got two hundred thousand votes. 262 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: She's commonly referred to in the Brazilian media as the 263 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: most voted woman for Congress, meaning that she was the 264 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: most popular candidate there. And there is absolutely no denying 265 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: that her religious background, her charity work all played a 266 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: role in this election. I mean, if you had the 267 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: chance to vote for someone you genuinely believed was the 268 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: nicest person post Jesus Christ, how could you not. Well. 269 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 4: Brazil is also like infamous for having one of the 270 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 4: most corrupt political systems like on the planet. I mean, 271 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 4: apparently there are so many people that just like use 272 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 4: their vote as a protest vote and just make up 273 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 4: like joke candidates because the kind of I don't know, 274 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 4: status quo is so corrupt and everybody knows it, they 275 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 4: don't even want. 276 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: To participate in it. 277 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 4: Like I think in the fifties, Black Rhino got more 278 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 4: of the popular vote for like a city council position 279 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 4: in Sal Paulo, but obviously couldn't be elected because you 280 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 4: know it's a black rhino. But it makes sense to 281 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 4: your point, Ben, that someone like this would be just 282 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 4: seen as a beacon a light in such a you know, 283 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 4: rotten and corrupt system. 284 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a quote here from Kamara dot l 285 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: Eg dot b R website. Here it's Camorrow dos Deputados 286 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: and it's just a quick quote from her when she 287 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 2: was elected. I'm just gonna read that to you right now. 288 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: Says I will fight for the family, for life, for 289 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: the woman. I also want to look for resources for 290 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: the communities, for the construction of sports courts in areas 291 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 2: at risk. I will fight for children and adolescents to 292 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: have an occupation and the traffic does not embrace them. 293 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 2: Now that has gone through Google Translate, and it is 294 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 2: not perfect, but you can at least get a sense 295 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: in English of what she's fighting for, and you can 296 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: see that, you know, those are values that I think 297 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 2: a lot of us would want to s work on 298 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: the face. If you were going to go into a 299 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 2: voting booth and cast your vote for somebody that maybe 300 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: you identify with, Yeah. 301 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: Who's going to disagree? You're going to vote for the 302 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: monsters in the race. I mean, it reminds me of 303 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: the way that so many sketchy private or government institutions 304 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: and initiatives always have these innocuous, benign names like Project 305 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: for a New American Century, or you know, children and 306 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: Puppies playing Incorporated. It's calculated, right, you would feel like 307 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: a bad person if you didn't cast that vote. Perhaps 308 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: it's an appeal to emotion, and it's quite an effective 309 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: when she becomes a federal deputy for the state of 310 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: Rio Deationeiro and at the time of this recording early September, 311 00:19:53,840 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: she technically retains this position today. Unfortunately, as so often 312 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: happens in life, she met with triumph and disaster, you know, 313 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: one in each hand. That same year, twenty nineteen, her husband, 314 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: the evangelical leader Anderson, was found murdered. Police began investigating. 315 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: His body was found as he you know, he had 316 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: been clearly returning home on the night of June sixteenth. 317 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: The family claimed that Anderson had been murdered in a 318 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: botched robbery attempt. And this is perhaps where our story 319 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: actually begins. Here's where it gets crazy. So the police 320 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: are very well aware of who this woman is, right, 321 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: they think the same. They have the same kind of 322 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: public image burned in their mind as everybody else. But 323 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: they have to do their job, so they begin investigating, 324 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: and that's when they discover some bizarre facts. We talked 325 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: about that age difference earlier. There's a reason that Florid 326 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: Deelish is sixteen years older than her husband. Yeah, yep, 327 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: you see, before he was her spouse, he was her 328 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: adopted son. 329 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I feel like we need a dun dunt 330 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 4: dunk sound que there? And that's like the twist in 331 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 4: the movie. 332 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe that's in the sequel for the two 333 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: thousand and nine film. Before the two married, Anderson also 334 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: dated one of one of Florida Dills's other children, biological 335 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: child named Simon. 336 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: That's right when Simone and Anderson broke up. Anderson and 337 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 4: Florida de Lys began dating then. So police also found 338 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 4: that before adopting that total of fifty one children, Florida 339 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 4: Le's had a smaller family of about seven child The 340 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 4: older kids, the biological kids, and the first five adopted 341 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 4: kids were considered the A kids. Let that sink in 342 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 4: for a second. Yeah, and then if you got an 343 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 4: A team, uh, you got you gotta have a B team, 344 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: and that's what the. 345 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: Other kids were considered the B kids. 346 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 4: The A kids could go to certain they had like 347 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 4: free run of the house basically. Uh, they had all 348 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 4: the privileges. The other kids were confined to certain parts 349 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 4: of the house. 350 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: Uh. 351 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: They also received better food. The younger children were given 352 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 4: nothing but scraps in the B the B kids old pasta, 353 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 4: you know, stale bread, stuff like that that you would 354 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 4: probably typically feed to like the dog or toss. 355 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is important. People were not aware of 356 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: this hierarchy outside of the family for a long time. Uh. 357 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: This is what witnesses are talking about when they say 358 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: that the public image did not match the practice in private. Reportedly, 359 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:15,239 Speaker 1: the parents kept so many children as kind of a 360 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: marketing ploy and a source of income, so it was 361 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: perhaps not as altruistic as it appeared to be in 362 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: the media. One deputy involved with the homicide case has 363 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: said that the money from the ministry was directly used 364 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: to maintain the luxuries to which this individual had become accustomed. 365 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 2: That's right, And there's one other thing here, but you 366 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 2: know what, it's the next part is really messed up, 367 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 2: and we're going to save it until we get back 368 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: from this next break, and we'll tell you why this 369 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 2: very strange situation. As we're beginning to see it come 370 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: to shape, it gets weirder, and there may have been, 371 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: as we said at the top, some kind of cult 372 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: going on here. 373 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 3: I'll tell you right after this break. 374 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: We've returned. Anybody with siblings knows that the feeling of 375 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: favoritism is a horrible thing, even if it's just a 376 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: kind of a narrative we've made up in our own minds, 377 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: this is real favoritism, and this was dangerous. There were 378 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: allegations of abuse, but there were also first hand reports, 379 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: eyewitness reports, and allegations of a cult. The following material 380 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: may not be suitable for all listeners. One of these 381 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: sons adopted by the couple, told the media that in 382 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, he was forced to undergo an initiation 383 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: process become a member of the family. He was isolated 384 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: locked in a room, dressed all in white. He was 385 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: on a subsistence diet of vegetables and rice. He said 386 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: that he witnessed other children using their blood to write 387 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: psalms in religious rites, and eventually he was forced to 388 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: undergo a purification ritual this purification ritual was that was 389 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: sleeping with his adopted mother. 390 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 4: Twist number two, Yeah, well, yeah, it's a rough one. 391 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: And again, these are alleged things, right. That certainly isn't 392 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 2: to say that we don't believe these children and you 393 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: know younger adults who they're younger adults now who are 394 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: coming forward and seeing these kinds of things, but they 395 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 2: are alleged at this point, we have to we have 396 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: to keep that in there just so you're. 397 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, and as you said Ben at the top of 398 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 4: the show, this is an ongoing story. So we're reporting 399 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 4: what we know based on things that have been that 400 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 4: have come to light thus far, and it is developing, 401 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 4: so more of this will be confirmed or whatever where 402 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 4: there's going to be more information that's going to come 403 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 4: out in the coming months and beyond. 404 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, the fog of war, right, it's touches for a battlefield. 405 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: If this stuff is true, it has the makings of 406 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: a cult. And we are typically on the show pretty 407 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: pretty careful with the C word because one person's cult 408 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: is another person's deeply held religious belief system, so we 409 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: have to be careful with this. But it does seem 410 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: pretty cult, Like there were other strange religious rituals, bizarre 411 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: sexual rights. 412 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 2: Yes, all kinds of things. I just wanted to bring 413 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: up our past discussions of cults in One of the 414 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: primary ways to identify cult is whether or not there 415 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 2: are people being targeted for recruitment who are at the 416 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: lowest levels on their luck right there. They're not doing well, 417 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 2: they have nowhere to turn to, and then the cult 418 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: or the organization reaches a handout and says, hey, we're 419 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 2: here for you. Let us be the ones who take 420 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: you in. And you know, I can't say for sure 421 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 2: that's what happened with all of those children that were 422 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 2: taken in by the family early on, but my goodness, 423 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: I mean, who wouldn't be better to be shaped mind 424 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: and body, everything, but younger people who lost their families. 425 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: That is a really good point. This reminds me getting 426 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: where you're going. We do. We did construct a guide, 427 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: a checklist for the defining characteristics of a cult. Check 428 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: out our video on YouTube dot com slash can conspiracy stuff. 429 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 4: This do. 430 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: As you mentioned this, Matt, this does tick a lot 431 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: of the boxes that we mentioned in that video. Deprivation 432 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: of material goods and sleep task that you can never 433 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: quite accomplish to the satisfaction of your superiors. Control of 434 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: sexual relationships, that's a big one in cults, and also 435 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: physical abuse, you know. Floyd de Leash was known to 436 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: keep up. Was alleged to have a baseball bat that 437 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: she kept handy to hit the children, usually the Bee 438 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: kids that she found misbehaving. Her biological daughter Simone was 439 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: kind of an overseer and used as a spy. 440 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just it's just it's so disturbing, and 441 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: you know that again that is all happening here. But 442 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: the other thing is the thing we mentioned at the 443 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: top of the show. 444 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: A murder. 445 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 2: The husband was murdered, and just before we jump in 446 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: to the the unfolding events that are having right now 447 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: and what went down over the course of a couple 448 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: of days there, I wanted to mention something that I'm 449 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: not proud of. I for a long time would frequent 450 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: the website LiveLeak dot com. It's nothing against live leak 451 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: as an organization. I don't know anything about you. Live 452 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: leak not talking down to you in any way, but 453 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: the content that's posted there is often very grizzly or 454 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: something I don't want to watch. But I almost almost 455 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: feel like I have to watch sometimes when whenever we're 456 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: reporting on something where there's a video that the news 457 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: won't show or you know, some other organization won't put 458 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: up and post or repost live leak generally is gonna 459 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: have it. And one thing that there's there's one type 460 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: of video that is posted there a lot, and it 461 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: is robberies that occur in and around Rio Rio de Janeiro, 462 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: and a lot of times it they are attempted robberies 463 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: as a vehicle is coming home to their house and 464 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: there are generally gates. This is a massive generalization. It's 465 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: not true for every home, but if there is a 466 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 2: gated area for that home, many of these videos feature 467 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: someone trying to get into that gate or stopping the 468 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: gate from closing, or ambushing. 469 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: Someone just as it's occurring. 470 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: I just want to put that in your mind as 471 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: a very common, not extremely common occurrence. I'm not going 472 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 2: to paint the entire city region Rio Dejeniro is a 473 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: dangerous place like that, but it is an unfortunate side 474 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 2: effect of having vast inequality existing in such close quarters 475 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: in a city. 476 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: And it's also it's a point to the plausibility of 477 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: what happens next. 478 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 3: Right, and what we're about to hear. 479 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the police investigation, it starts with a tragic 480 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: but plausible event, and police learn that things were, as 481 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: we alluded to earlier, not well in the house. You know, 482 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: when the cameras were off and when no one's doing interviews. 483 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: Things were pretty chaotic leading up to the day of 484 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: the homicide. Again, on June sixteenth, Anderson u See wanted 485 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: a divorce. Floyd Delise was against this for several reasons. First, 486 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,479 Speaker 1: financial reasons, a divorce would create pandemonium in the family 487 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: because if they split it fifty to fifty. Think about 488 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: it this way, Anderson would get fifty percent of the 489 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: family fortune and then everybody else, probably weighted toward Floyd 490 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: de Leice and the a kids. Everybody else would have 491 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: to split the other half between fifty plus people. That 492 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: was a non starter. And then the second reason is 493 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: we have to consider this carefully crafted public image. A 494 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: divorce would be a terrible, terrible look for such a 495 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: highly regarded religious family. And there are quotes from Florida 496 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: Delice itself saying we can't of where it would be 497 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: scandalous to God. So with that note, it does feel 498 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: that at least in that because that was an internal 499 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: explanation to some of the adopted children. It feels like 500 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: maybe there's some genuine belief there in terms of religious values, 501 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: but it's kind of hard to square with the later behavior. 502 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So outside of the divorce, the tensions that were 503 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: existing there between Florida Leash and Anderson to the Campo. 504 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: I believe Anderson, there was some other family tension going 505 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: on between some of the children and Anderson the father, right, 506 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 2: the father of the family, and it's you know, this 507 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 2: is stuff that we're reading. Specifically, the English sources are British, 508 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 2: I believe the ones that we're looking at, BBC, the Guardian. 509 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 2: That's mostly where I'm looking at sources for this. But 510 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 2: there are stories that are coming out about what is 511 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 2: going down, about perhaps what the what some officials know, 512 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: some law enforcement officials, but it's a bit tough to 513 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 2: know exactly where some of. 514 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 3: The some of the information is coming from. 515 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: Well, we'll alert you whenever we can tell you, like 516 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 2: it's more specifics, but here's here's the story that we 517 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: know as of right now on what is this September ninth, today, 518 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 2: September ninth, twenty twenty. Apparently, flour de Leiche and at 519 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: least one daughter, Simone, were attempting to poison Anderson prior 520 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 2: to his death several times. 521 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: According to the stories there. 522 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: Exactly there were some weird things going on with internet 523 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 2: searches with Simone where she had been looking up how 524 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 2: to use what were they talking about? 525 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 3: Cyanide? 526 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: I think cyanide. It's it's strange to see people's Internet searches. 527 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: It's stuff like poison that is legal assassin where to 528 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: find you. 529 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 2: Know, authorities if you're out there, don't ever look at 530 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: our internet. 531 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: Gosh, yeah, I think about that every time they get 532 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: a new every time the company changes ownership or we 533 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: get a new IT person, I always think, just for 534 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: a second, should I send them an email or should 535 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: I just let this surprise be something they uncover organically. 536 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: It's about the journey. But you're right there were also 537 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: there are also a lot of sexual tensions because the 538 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: the unfortunate person who talked about the purification right was 539 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: not the only person. The only child sexually evolved allegedly 540 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: with the mother, and Anderson himself apparently was also known 541 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: to sleep with some of the other adopted children. Some 542 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: of the other adopted and biological children were also involved 543 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: sexually with one another. 544 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's some weird stuff going on there. Again, 545 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 2: like Ben said, all allegedly same with the poisoning. But 546 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 2: one story that did come out of that poisoning, just 547 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 2: before you jump back into too far to the other stuff, 548 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 2: is that you know, the target, at least according to 549 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 2: the story, was always Anderson to get rid of this 550 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: father figure, but a ton of people in the family, 551 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 2: multiple people in the family ended up getting poisoned in 552 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 2: all of these or in several of these various attempts 553 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 2: where they're poisoning food, right, that's how it was done. 554 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 2: Something that was can be consumed, and then there's a 555 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 2: ton of other people in the house and somebody else 556 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 2: ends up having a little bit of that poison and 557 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 2: getting very sick but not dying. 558 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: So, as you said earlier, Matt, it is completely plausible, 559 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: if tragic, for a robbery of this type to occur 560 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: and for a homicide to result. However, this story makes 561 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: national news because it is incredibly unusual for federal congressperson's 562 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: spouse to be murdered in cold blood. Again, consider the 563 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: fact that This is essentially the murder of a celebrity. 564 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: You know, the odds are that the robber, well, the 565 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: odds are pretty good that the robber, whomever they may be, 566 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: if they got a good look at this person, they 567 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: would have known who they were robbing. 568 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 2: And even if this person was unaware of who they 569 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 2: were robbing, the method in which Anderson was killed is 570 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: unlikely in that scenario. So just think about all these 571 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: things as we continue down the path here. 572 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean when he was quote unquote robbed and 573 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 4: murdered on June sixteenth, the story became a massive sensation. 574 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 4: The murder of a federal congress person's partner. 575 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 2: Was a huge deal. 576 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 4: The news and social media absolutely ran with it, and 577 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 4: floridalyzed in an interview. During the funeral, wept openly and 578 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 4: begged for justice to be done for her slain husband. 579 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 4: Brazilian media was absolutely on fire with increasingly sensationalist claims. 580 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 4: There was all kinds of salacious little details. 581 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 3: Coming out of the woodwork. 582 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 4: Things like allegations of swingers clubs were kind of front 583 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 4: and center. For a time, the story kind of became. 584 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 3: Less of a big deal. 585 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 4: It sort of fizzled until that is this year, when 586 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 4: police finally got a break in the case, they accessed 587 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 4: the phone records of Anderson's immediate family and found out 588 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 4: some pretty shocking things. 589 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and part of the reason this investigation continued is 590 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,240 Speaker 1: because this person was a celebrity, because they were also 591 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: in a relationship with a prominent political figure and a 592 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: prominent religious figure. You know, the hard truth of the 593 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: matter is that a person standing in society has a 594 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: tremendous influence on how deeply crimes against them are investigated. 595 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: That holds true for almost every part of the world. 596 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 3: That's right. 597 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 2: And he was shot twenty to thirty times right in 598 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 2: the groined legs are at all of those things up. 599 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 2: That's why the case kept going. 600 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 1: And this is an important, if grizzly note, because imagine 601 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: if you were robbing someone and you threaten them with 602 00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 1: a gun and you discharge your firearm. Would you stay 603 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: this was from a shotgun, by the way, would you 604 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: stay long enough to discharge that firearm that many times? 605 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: Or would you high tail it so that you were 606 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: not apprehended? There are obvious questions simply in the method 607 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: of the murder here. And as you said, no, this 608 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: investigation eventually shakes something loose. Law enforcement accesses the phones 609 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,919 Speaker 1: of Andersen's immediate family, and then one dark revelation after 610 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: another falls like Domino's. All of those a kids that 611 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier were in on a conspiracy to murder Anderson. 612 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: At least that's what the police believe they are accused 613 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: of doing. That They all were on board with this. 614 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: Apparently again they're the upper echelon of the family and 615 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: the people who pulled the trigger multiple times not just 616 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: random robbers. First, one of the adopted children named Flavio 617 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: or Flavio, is apprehended for this, and he said, you know, 618 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: he is the one suspected of actually shooting Anderson. And 619 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: he turned and said that his adoptive brother, Lucas, is 620 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: the one who purchased the firearm. So this shows us 621 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: two things. This shows us, first off, multiple actors in 622 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: the homicide, and secondly, it shows coordinated planning. We've had 623 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: enough time now to think about this murder that we 624 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: realize it's smarter to put some distance between the person 625 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: who purchases a gun and the person who discharges it, 626 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: because in that gap and that chain of custody, there 627 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: there's the perfect opportunity to say, well, my gun was 628 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: stolen exactly. 629 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,919 Speaker 2: And then again you go back to those phones and 630 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 2: keep in mind, you know, even if you're not thinking 631 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 2: about it, if you use a cellular device, any kind 632 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 2: of smart device whatsoever, to do anything to communicate with people, 633 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 2: no matter how normal, how benign, or how salacious that 634 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 2: communication is, it doesn't matter if like what you do 635 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 2: to that phone, that information is there and authorities can 636 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 2: access it if you ever get apprehended for any reason 637 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 2: or another, or if they just decide they want to 638 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,439 Speaker 2: look in your phone for one reason or another. When 639 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 2: some moan's phone, one of the children was looked at, 640 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,760 Speaker 2: it showed very explicit searches for poison. Like we mentioned 641 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 2: at the top, it it was poisoned specifically that you 642 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 2: know what do we say it was ben sinide like 643 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 2: something about how how much sanide kills somebody, or I 644 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 2: forget exactly what it was looking at. 645 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: The usage, whether it's legal to buy it, and and 646 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: and this was explained by by Simone as an attempt 647 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: to help figure out what had sickened neighbor's pet, a dog. 648 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: So this again, this is a attempt at an alibi. 649 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:27,919 Speaker 1: I don't want to be glib here, but first, don't 650 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: kill people. Don't plan a crime if you do. If 651 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 1: you do want to research something for any reason that 652 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 1: you do not want people to know about later, then 653 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, puts put some time into you know, 654 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: browsing a library or something. Because this this kind of 655 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: stuff is available. They took the phone, and like you said, Matt, 656 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,919 Speaker 1: it was very easy to follow the breadcrumbs here in defense, if. 657 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 2: You do want to commit a crime, use your phone, 658 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 2: use like, make sure you log into Google. 659 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 3: Google. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, please please do that. 660 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 661 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: This is this goes back to our our earlier conversation, 662 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: which is a true story about our our very strange 663 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: search histories on our work computers and probably on our 664 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: phones as well. I don't know about you, guys, I'm 665 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: always reading something about this kind of stuff. 666 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 3: Uh. 667 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 1: The way I was thinking about this, we took a 668 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: little break off air and I took a time to 669 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 1: look at my search history, and yeah, there's troubling things 670 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: like Brazilian religious cult and then there's other stuff like 671 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 1: role of kislar Aga in the Ottoman Empire. It's the 672 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: unuch in charge of the harems and so, you know, 673 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: throw some obscure history in there so they'll think, look, 674 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: keeping may not be. 675 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 2: Perfect, but they're just a podcaster, right, yeah. 676 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: Just type. I'm just a podcaster search history like every 677 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,720 Speaker 1: two days. But you're right, they did find this stuff. 678 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 1: That explanation, as you can imagine, did not completely satisfy 679 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: law enforcement. All in all, up to this point, eleven 680 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 1: people are gonna end up being arrested in relation to 681 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:25,280 Speaker 1: this homicide. And there is a cinematic movie moment here. 682 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,280 Speaker 1: These suspects because they have not been convicted, these suspects 683 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: a rounded up in something called Operation Luke twelve. And 684 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 1: matt uh, you know, for years I have deferred to 685 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: your biblical knowledge, So what's going on here? Why would 686 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: they Why would they call it that? I love the 687 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: high drama of the name, but I'm wondering, is it apropos? 688 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,280 Speaker 2: Relying on me for biblical information is your first mistake? 689 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 2: But I'll roll with it here. I spent some time 690 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 2: in some churches. It's a reference to Luke twelve, which 691 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 2: is in the New Testaments, a chapter of Luke, and 692 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 2: in this moment, like in a lot of the New 693 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 2: Testament books, Jesus directly addresses his followers, right, his disciples, 694 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 2: whether it's you know, the twelve major ones or just 695 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 2: other people who are into what he's saying. In this case, 696 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,399 Speaker 2: he's talking to his disciples and he says this, there 697 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 2: is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed or hidden 698 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 2: that will not be made known. What you have said 699 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 2: in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and 700 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,439 Speaker 2: what you have whispered in the ear in the inner 701 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:46,919 Speaker 2: rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs. Gotta say, great 702 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 2: job law enforcement to find a Bible verse that connects 703 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 2: to this case and really tells the story of what 704 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 2: was happening here. 705 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,319 Speaker 1: There's something there's one note about that I'd like to make. 706 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: Knowing the powerful role of religion in this case, I'm 707 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: wondering if someone on the law enforcement side was, up 708 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: until the point of this murder themselves, you know, a follower. 709 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 2: Or just fans, right, or just appreciative of what they're doing, right. 710 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 2: I can imagine there were probably numerous people in law 711 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 2: enforcement that felt that way about that family, especially after 712 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 2: that movie. I think that changed the hearts and minds 713 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,279 Speaker 2: of a lot of people. 714 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,839 Speaker 1: Right, And so the scandals continue to unfold. Two other 715 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: children in the family are arrested on unrelated charges of 716 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: domestic abuse and drug trafficking. So things are getting increasingly 717 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 1: disturbing and ugly here. So what about the person that 718 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: Noel mentioned earlier. What about Florida Leish herself weeping, holding 719 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,760 Speaker 1: an interview at a funeral for her decease spouse, begging 720 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 1: for justice to be done. Where does she square into this. Well, 721 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: police believe that, you know, as we said earlier, police 722 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: believe that she was the force behind the murder, that 723 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:24,040 Speaker 1: she was the brain behind the trigger, right, and she, 724 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 1: there's another twist, was not arrested. 725 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 4: This is fascinating. Another part of what we talked about 726 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 4: on the topics of the show possibly what leads to 727 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 4: the Brazilian political system being so corrupt. In Brazil, a 728 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 4: congress person can only be preventatively arrested to avoid the 729 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 4: destruction of evidence, for example, if caught in the act. 730 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,919 Speaker 4: So they have this thing there called parliamentary immunity, which 731 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,840 Speaker 4: Florida Le's holds. And I was reading some articles about 732 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 4: this and about the brazil In political system, and you know, 733 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 4: there's a sense that this loophole has the potential to 734 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:13,200 Speaker 4: attract people that intend to do crime to these political 735 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:19,280 Speaker 4: posts because it's literally like immunity from any prosecution. Detectives 736 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 4: have pushed for her congressional status to be revoked, but 737 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 4: thus far, no go on that. 738 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, remember we're still pretty early in the stages here, 739 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,360 Speaker 2: so we'll see how everything shakes out. But we do 740 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 2: have to go back now and slightly alter our advice 741 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,320 Speaker 2: we were giving everyone about if you want to commit 742 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 2: a crime, we're just gonna say, go ahead and just 743 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 2: get elected if you really want to commit some crime, 744 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,359 Speaker 2: and it'll be good to go. 745 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that old saying? What is it if you 746 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 1: want to go to prison for robbery, rob a bank, 747 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,360 Speaker 1: if you want to get rich for robbery, start a bank, 748 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: I can't. I'm paraphrasy there, I'm styling on it a little. 749 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: But we've been pretty careful to note that these are suspects. Again, 750 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,720 Speaker 1: no one's been convicted. We are very careful to note 751 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 1: that there are allegations, even when they're eyewitness accounts. There 752 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: are still allegations until proven in a court of law. 753 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,799 Speaker 1: But there are some people who don't share that same 754 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 1: kind of careful caveating, and that hesitancy those people are 755 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 1: literally all of the detectives involved in the case. Like 756 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 1: they said, you know, she can't be arrested parliamentary immunity. 757 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 1: They've pushed for her congressional status to be stripped, to 758 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:43,120 Speaker 1: be revoked, and the investigators have publicly stated multiple times 759 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: that they have zero doubt that Flordellis was the ringleader 760 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 1: of this conspiracy. In fact, Homicide chief Antonio Ricardo Lima 761 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,919 Speaker 1: Nunez noted that all in all, about twenty percent of 762 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: the family seems to be involved in this homicide. 763 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 2: So this is certainly something we're gonna have to continue 764 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:12,040 Speaker 2: to look at. Hopefully, you know, justice whatever whatever that 765 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,920 Speaker 2: means in this case, will prevail in some way or another. 766 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 2: But again, we're not going to know for a while, 767 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 2: so we're gonna keep looking at it. We asked that 768 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,680 Speaker 2: you keep looking at it too, just you know, if 769 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 2: you find something interesting, let us know, if you hear anything, 770 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,600 Speaker 2: let us know. If you're in Brazil, especially and you 771 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 2: speak Portuguese and you're able to read some of the 772 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,759 Speaker 2: initial reporting coming out with some of the first the 773 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 2: primary documentation that's coming out, that would be huge for 774 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 2: us because we're having to rely a lot on translation 775 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,520 Speaker 2: and reporting from Western sources. I would just put that 776 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 2: out there. But the biggest question we have for everyone 777 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 2: listening is what do you think about all of this 778 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,520 Speaker 2: everything that was going on with this family, with the 779 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,840 Speaker 2: way money was made by them, by this incredible story 780 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 2: that Florida Leash had. Let us know what you think 781 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 2: about the fact that there is certainly more than that 782 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,759 Speaker 2: initial movie about Florida Leish that will be coming out. 783 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,400 Speaker 2: This is gonna make for maybe a whole series on 784 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,480 Speaker 2: Netflix or something. 785 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely please let us know. You can do so in 786 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,280 Speaker 4: the usual ways on social media or we are Conspiracy 787 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 4: Stuff Conspiracy Stuff Show on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. You 788 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 4: can also join our Facebook group where we tend to 789 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,319 Speaker 4: have pretty regular conversations about new episodes that drop, and 790 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,520 Speaker 4: this one I think is going to be a particularly 791 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 4: interesting conversation because it is such an ongoing story. So 792 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,239 Speaker 4: look to Here's where it Gets Crazy on Facebook for 793 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,800 Speaker 4: posts and updates around the story, and you join in 794 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,520 Speaker 4: the conversation. If you don't want to do any of that, 795 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 4: you can also give us a call at one A 796 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,440 Speaker 4: three three STDWYTK, where you can leave us a voicemail 797 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,720 Speaker 4: and maybe be featured on one of our listener mail episodes. 798 00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 4: Just be sure and let us know if you're okay 799 00:51:59,640 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 4: with that. 800 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,680 Speaker 2: Hey, and remember, maybe you're watching this on YouTube. 801 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:04,319 Speaker 3: Maybe you're not. 802 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 2: But if you want to watch us do this whole thing, 803 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,319 Speaker 2: which you know is fun for us, hopefully it's fun 804 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,320 Speaker 2: for you too. You can find us at YouTube dot 805 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,200 Speaker 2: com slash conspiracy Stuff. 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So no trolls, you control if 813 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,880 Speaker 2: you want to, no, I'll say that it's gonna happen. 814 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 2: There's nothing we can do about it. 815 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,879 Speaker 3: Oh, you're right, you're right, but don't invite it. Come on, man, 816 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 3: you're right. Oh my goodness. 817 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,560 Speaker 4: If you don't want to do any add stuff, then 818 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 4: you can just reach out to us the old fashioned 819 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,800 Speaker 4: way by sending a good old email. 820 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:19,480 Speaker 2: We are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com stuff they don't 821 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 2: want you to know. Is a production of iHeartRadio. 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