WEBVTT - Real Time Crime to the Mainstage 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:15.040 Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of Real Time Crime. 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.720 I'm Leo Lamar with your new radio voice, and I 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.919 have with me my co host Teddy Melling Camp. I 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:25.560 can't even pause today because your new voice had me 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:30.680 so um shocked. It's like I talked to Chris Cuomo 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.920 one time, and uh, I've changed forever. And we've also 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.520 got with us of course our favorite sometimes Dmitri. Hello, 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.000 sometimes hello, how are you? You know? I'm good, except 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:42.840 for I was out until five am last night. Yeah, 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:44.880 I was gonna ask. I figured that's where the voice 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.559 was coming from. It looks like you're still out. You're like, 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.320 why you're in a pitch black room, your backstage at 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.960 a nightclub like she's at the chipping Dale. We're going 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:59.760 to discuss. I can't understand what, Like it's daylight here, 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.840 you see, I mean sometimes throwing dollar bills around? Sorry, 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:08.840 what what are you doing? I feel like you have 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.280 a crystal ball in tarot cards in front of you. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:16.280 What is happening? You guys are roasting the ship out 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:20.880 of me. They need to see the clip of I mean, 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.360 all I see of you is your face. Everything else 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:28.000 it's black. I'm at the I'm at the hotel. Almost 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:33.000 disclosed my location, but you know, bad, naughty Lea. I'm 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.200 at a hotel in Austin. I'm here for south By Southwest. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.760 I've been doing two shows a night every night. Um, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.480 very tired. But why was I out until five am? 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.520 You ask? I don't know. Does my ex live in Austin? 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:57.120 Maybe we know it's coming? What this is worse? We 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:03.120 had a very own conversation that included no sex. Was 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.080 just both of us crying, holding each other, telling each 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:10.040 other how much we meant to the other. First, I'm sorry, 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.360 I'm I respected it when I thought it was just 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.120 south By south Sex, but now it's Yeah. I was 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.079 fine with just the tips, but hugging and crying over 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:27.720 missing one another, like did you guys break up? Originally? Um? 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.200 The truth is he's mentally ill in a way that 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:41.080 isn't funny. But wow, that sounds like a lot of fun. Well, 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.760 I hope you can go over and cuddle together again tonight. 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.800 I can't believe we were just told that Leah's X, 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.000 someone she used to date, is mentally ill and we 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.720 can't touch that and we have to just leave it. 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.040 Someone that's more mentally ill than me if you can imagine, Well, 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.600 was he the sole one crying and holding him at 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.359 for a him or were you doing the same. I'm 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.480 just gonna say he cried first. This isn't chipped for chat. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:15.000 Men usually not for chat. And I need just send 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:16.760 me a text of what he looks like real quick. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.800 I just need a full visual before we, you know, 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.440 we get into all the things. And also I'll just 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:26.359 say this, Um, I did another complete crime the other 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.560 day where I was at an event where I had 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.000 a show, and I told these two guys, I said, 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.519 I'll be right back, can you guys watch my bag? 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.840 And then they did, and then I was gone for 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:41.240 an hour and I just assumed they left. You know, 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:45.160 I was just like whatever, whatever, what was in it? 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.040 I mean, everything that I needed any This is extremely 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.680 unsettling to the one that has been derailed since you 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.240 lost her Fannie pack, the fact that you just just 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.920 willy nearly left your bag with somebody for an hour, 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:03.800 just free falling it without your bag on purpose. Yeah. Well, 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.840 it's like, you know, someone came into the room that 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:11.200 I wanted to talk to and Mark Cuban and then 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.280 you're like, oh, is he rich? Has a head shot 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.200 married check check check. Let me get over there. I 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.280 already emailed him. I was like, let's play pickle ball 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:26.120 next week. Um, teddy, you're welcome to joint. And UM, 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.120 I also just sent you a photo of my ex 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.360 by the way. Um. And then when I came back 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:35.120 to my bag, these guys we're like, are you insane? 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.679 Are you meant? Are you mental? You left your bag 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:43.440 with two strangers for an hour. This guy literally started 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.680 yelling at me. I was like, okay, Dad, I'm sorry. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.839 You know, uh mind when you send me pictures of 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.840 your ex to not send them with his girlfriend after you, 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:56.600 because it confuses my my sight. She's actually the girlfriend 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:01.520 before me, and we do look very similar. Good, That's 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:06.359 what I'm saying. I don't sending it. Well. The other 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.719 thing about her x is he has a type. He 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:14.159 has a very obvious tife. Why does the excello crazy 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:28.960 as well? I honestly thought Leo was in these pictures. 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.560 Here's the thing. You don't have that much time to 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.159 do hot topics, But there is one hot topic that 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.599 I really do want to talk about before we have on. J. D. Schwartz, 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:45.600 who is the producer of Chippendales and that incredible documentary. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.160 But the hot topic I want to talk about is 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:54.200 what's going on with Jesse. Okay, great, Okay. So, after 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.719 Jesse Smaillett was sentenced a hundred and fifty days in 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.280 jail and thirty months of probation for staging a hate 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.240 crime against health, the former Empire star is at the 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:06.240 center of a free Jesse campaign, with fellow actors speaking out. 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:10.280 Alfrey ordered Samuel Jackson and his wife and more previously 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:14.680 asked Illinois Judge James B. Lynn asked to not sentenced 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.320 Smollett to prison time, and a letter written to the judge, 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:21.160 Jackson wrote that Smollett comes from a good family that 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:25.560 can provide the support and monitoring assistance that they can 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:29.640 provide for him in an alternative probation scenario. The pulp 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:34.360 fiction star continued, Jesse has already suffered a great deal 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.920 of punishment as this situation has destroyed his existing career 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:42.240 and impugned his reputation. Please, Judge Lynn, in God's name, 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.680 please save this young man and allow him to be 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:49.080 of service. Jesse Smollett is worth the risk and the investment. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.599 Smollett was sentenced on March tenth after falsely alleging in 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.840 two thousand nineteen that he was attacked by two men 0:06:55.240 --> 0:07:00.520 using racist and homophobic slurs. Jesse also opened he says 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:05.200 he is not suicidal, so if he ends up dead, 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:10.000 you guys know what happened. Um Tara g P. Hinson 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.840 later issued an Instagram statement condemning the sentence. I am 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.000 not here to debate you on the innocence, but can 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.560 we agree that the punishment does not fit the crime? 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.960 Henson wrote. Emmett Till was brutally beat and ultimately murdered 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.240 because of a lie, and none of the people involved 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.120 with his demives spent one day in jail, even after 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.800 Caroline Briant admitted that her claims were false. No one 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:35.240 was hurt or killed during Jesse's ordeal. He has already 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.800 lost everything everything, Hinson continued to me. As an artist 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.880 not able to create, that in itself is punishment enough. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.400 He can't get a job, No one in Hollywood will 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.720 hire him again, and as an artist who loves to create, 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.480 that is prison. My prayers that he is freed and 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.080 put on house arrest and probation, because in this case 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.720 that would seem fair. Please free Jesse and then Gabrielle Union, 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.360 Leslie Jordan among others have liked this. What are y'all 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.960 thoughts on this? I thought that it would be a 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.160 lot more powerful if Samuel L. Jackson didn't write a 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:17.080 letter but used his voice m the Capital One commercial. Yeah, 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.200 here's here's the thing. The reason he doesn't have his 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.560 career is because of something that he did. So in 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:27.600 that respect, I don't think that's a good argument. But also, 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.280 and that same thing didn't didn't we find out that 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:40.680 he had to go into some sort of mental ward recently, Like, 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:45.360 isn't probably the reason he did what he did was 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:50.640 allegedly because of some sort of mental illness. Well then 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.760 he should be said, they should be sentenced into some 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.559 health care facility like that. But I don't think it's 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.240 a matter of oh, well, listen, he didn't, you know what, 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.200 he lost his career. That's good enough because technically he's 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.280 still denying it as well. So if he needs help, 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.839 acent let's get him help. But I don't think it's 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.559 just allright, well, he shouldn't have to serve anything because 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.559 he lied to police. He calls a bunch of resources 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.240 and time and the and all that you know to 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.120 be spent on this, so I don't think it's a 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.120 matter of just well, all right, come on, yeah. I 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.880 don't agree with the house arrest aspect of it. If 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.000 you do a crime, you do a crime. However, if 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.240 there is mental health involved, I do think that that 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.480 type of facility should be the alternative. I agree. And 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.840 if you do the crime, you do the time. I'm like, 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.720 you have to get it in every time. But speaking 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.080 of time, we have to take a little break because guests, 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.120 who's here? Oh my god, our guest. I just want 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.080 to really quickly say, Jesse, if you want to come 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.520 back to the art world, the stand up comedy community, 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:53.480 except literally everyone, So welcome back to the art world. 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.480 If you want to write some jokes while you're in prison, 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:59.600 come join us after all, right, back to you, all right, 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:15.920 we'll be right back. Yeah, okay, everyone. I am super 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:21.480 excited to introduce our guest for today. This is J. D. Schwartz. 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:25.600 He's a former producer of Chippendale's but now brings extensive 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.439 public relations experience and the professional zeal of an aggressive 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.040 New Yorker. So do I to his approach of doing publicity. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.920 He has a collector roster of clients, but he is 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:43.040 best known for his personality representation UM and you know, 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:47.040 he originally achieved a lot of success in theater in 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:51.200 New York and he is here with us today to 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.559 talk about the secrets of the Chippendale's murders and also 0:10:55.640 --> 0:11:00.880 just Chippendale's in general. So it's incredible. It's a four docuseries, 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.520 it's on A and E, it's on Monday nights, and 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.560 it unveils the shocking story behind the Chippendale's empire. And 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.360 a Chippendal's was a nightclub that aimed to allure and 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:14.120 please women with its scantily clad mail dancers and vivacious music, 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.880 and quickly advanced toward a pop culture phenomenon until it 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:22.000 came crashing down. Through exclusive interviews never before seeing crime 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:26.800 scene video and declassified FBI surveillance audio, the special unravels 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.920 the hidden tale of how sex, jealousy, arson, hefty bags 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.400 filled with cash, and mafia shakedowns all led up to 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.760 one of the most outrageous murders in American history. And 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:41.320 you know, it's incredible. I just think that you need 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:45.120 to tune in a SAP a SAP, especially because you're 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.120 listening to this podcast, it's gonna be even more interesting 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.760 after getting a little more information behind the scenes and 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.480 especially what the club was all about before the murders. Hi, Ja, 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.360 how are you good? How are you so good? We're 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.959 really glad to have you here. Hi, thank you, thank 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.560 you for having me appreciate it just before we start. 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.400 So you know, you know, and I've been trying to 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:13.640 explain this, but the murders, that's what this documentary is about. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.520 But that's not what Chippendales was about. The murders happened 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.640 after the huge success and the craziness and the phenomenon 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:25.160 of Chippendales. I opened and ran Chippendales in New York 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:29.440 in I did all the hiring, the firing, and the 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.679 guy was murdered. He was my boss. So I just 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:36.720 want to give you that background here. The phenomenal success 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:41.199 of the club. It was a cash business, so it 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.400 just boiled down to greed. You're taking money from me, 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.680 You're stealing from me. What do you mean, you're taking 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.160 the show on the road. You know. It all came 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:53.240 down to that. But that's all happened after the fact. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.840 When we opened this club in New York. It was 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.480 the hottest thing in New York everybody. It was a 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.280 studio fifty four in US. Okay, So just a backtrack 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:06.960 a little bit, when you brought how were you brought 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:13.920 in originally to produce Chippendales and what exactly does that mean? Okay? 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.320 So I was working for a Broadway producer. We had 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:22.000 a big hit show on Broadway called Hurley Burley. Bill 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.880 heard Chris Walking, Suzie Kurds Synthonics and it was a 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:31.640 big deal. His fiance Barbara, who was also in the documentary, 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.920 she was a club promoter. The owner of Magic, which 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.840 was the club that Chippendales went into, called Barbara and said, Hey, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.000 we're opening this club. You know we're going into it. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.760 Not a club we're opening. We're bringing Chippendales to our club. 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.600 Would you come in and work to help us open 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:53.120 the club? Hurley Burley was a huge hit on Broadway. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.000 So she said, well, I can't do it. I love 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:59.440 spend our assistant to go. And you know, I didn't 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.640 want to go because the entertainment business is where I was. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:07.400 I was working on a Broadway producer's office. I went reluctantly, 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.120 and she said just go and then you'll come back, 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.839 you know, after the club is open. So I went 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.199 and I met with Nick, who was the guy who 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.600 got murdered, who, by the way, you have to tell me, 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:26.760 like how honest and and Frank I can be here 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.360 as possibly can be. We love it because he was 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:37.120 a dick. Nobody liked him, I mean and especially me. 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:43.600 He treated me horribly. Think of Harvey Weinstein and Scott Ruten. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.680 That's who this guy was. He was just an ego, 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.200 an egomaniacal son of a bit. We called him Nick 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.960 the dick Um. He was one of Jennifer O'Neill's eight husbands. 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:01.360 He was in the closet and and the marquis in 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:06.440 front of the club said Magique presents Chippendales conceived, written, 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:11.680 produced and directed by Nick Denia. Because he wanted all 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.760 the credit for everything, and he just treated people very, 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.960 very poorly. So I went met him at a restaurant 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:25.480 on Broadway called Jrs. And we went, we had dinner, 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.600 and I said, okay, I would do this, not knowing 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.800 what really what this was. I had no idea what 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.520 chipping Dales was. I was twenty five years old. I 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.000 was out of college, you know, I was working in 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:41.560 a press office up for Broadway shows, and I really 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.960 didn't know what this was. But I was also in 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.160 a really good situation in the Broadway office I was 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:53.240 working in because I was hanging out. There's a restaurant 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.680 in New York City called Cafe Centro. So I was 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.960 hanging out every night with Chris wall In and Danny 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:05.480 Iello and Bruce Willis. And this is the New York 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:11.000 actors that came into this restaurant every night to hang out. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.000 So I was a part of that. So I was 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.280 really very reluctant to give up sort of my entree 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.080 to go work in a club would like, who wanted 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:22.120 to go work in a club? Um? And so what 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.880 did it? Though? So what made you my? But so 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:29.520 my job was, um, I did all the hiring, I 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.920 did all the firing. I was in charge of anything 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:39.440 and everything that made this show happen, from when we 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.000 started that summer, you know, to them rebuilding the club, 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.680 two the rehearsals, to you know, models would come in 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.800 all the time, and and you know, to get jobs 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.560 you have to be six feet tall. You had to 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.040 take your shirt off, which was a very uncomfortable thing 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.800 for me. To say to another guy, take your shirt off. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.080 But that was the job because you had to look 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:04.760 you know, you have to be ripped. You have to 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.400 look at a certain way. Nowadays it's like, oh, take 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:08.960 your shirt off, you know I need to see or 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:14.919 even after I got into it, i was, oh, you know, 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.439 it's part of the job. It's like it's it's not 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.000 a big deal. In Hollywood nowadays, guys go to auditions 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.480 without their shirts to begin with, and the audition usually 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:29.679 happens in my bedroom. But to go back, even before 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.720 you started, So it started with Steve Banergy founding at 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.520 the beginning of the club, So the club. Steve Banergy 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.439 was an immigrant from India who came here with an 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:48.000 American dream. He bought He realized that discos were a 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:52.120 big deal in New York, so he figured it would 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.360 work its way out to l A. He bought this 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.280 old chess club if you can believe there were chess 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:02.560 clubs on Overland in you in West l A. And 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.040 he wanted to turn it into a disco. This guy 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.280 named you might have heard of him, Paul Snyder, who 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.000 was married to Dorothy Stratton, the movie star eight. He 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:16.479 was based on that came into the club and said, Steve, 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.200 what you need to do is make us a mile 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:23.119 Strip club, and you know, I'll help you here and 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.760 I'll be your MC. What Paul was kind of a 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.040 guy that like he was a wanna be you know, 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:30.840 like I'll be your m C. And he had no 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.479 clue on how to be an MC. He could barely 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:39.560 you know, get you know. Um. But his kind to 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.040 fame was that he married Dorothy Stratton and then killed 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:51.000 her and then killed himself. Um. So after yeah, after 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:56.719 Steve fired Paul, he met Nick. Nick came into the 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.840 club and Nick said, oh, I could do this. I'll 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:05.200 you know, a show out of this, you know Nick again, 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.679 So I told you he was in the closet one 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.000 of Jennifer and YO husband's right. Yes, was a Z 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:18.520 list director. He had a dear cut, you know, didn't 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:26.040 even my right. I'm not saying other people felt like 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:32.399 I failed, although I'm sure they did, But this is 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:36.000 how I felt of how he treated me. This is 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:40.080 my truth. So I don't have anything nice to say 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.680 about him. You know, it's terrible to say anybody deserves 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.800 to be murdered. M Well, I have a question, who 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.240 is it that negotiated the deal with Hugh Hefner that 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:56.520 Chippendales was allowed to have the custom collars. I don't know. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:01.280 That was before me. I came in as there, you know, 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.280 I came into New York. All this other stuff I 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:07.919 knew about, but I wasn't there for it, like the 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.600 Napkin deal that Steve and and and Nick didn't. By 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.040 the way I was telling about Nick, he had a 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:19.800 production company, a children's production company, mind you, called Unicorn Tails, 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.880 and he won two Emmy's, but again way before me. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:26.560 And then turns out that he's in the closet and he's, 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.840 you know, heading up a mail strip, just saying he's 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.080 a busy guy. Take away from that which you choose 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.760 to we call we call that we range in the business. 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.920 He he he made it. So when he went into 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.520 he went to dinner with Steve and they were negotiating, 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.080 and I don't know what Nick had asked for, but 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.880 Steve had said no, and then Steve had said, Nick 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:55.840 had said, okay, well then I want all touring rights 0:20:56.200 --> 0:21:02.360 in perpetuity. Steve didn't even know what the word perpetuity meant, um, 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:06.480 you know, because obviously he wasn't from here. But he 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.840 he said, okay, fine, he wasn't worried about the you know, 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.399 a tour. It's like it's a club we're opening, you know, 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.920 like touring wasn't even a thing to think. He said, 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:19.680 I just got to get these chess pieces out of 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:25.040 here and the dancers in um. And so that's how 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:30.560 that's really what this came down to. Greed again. But 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.479 as you'll see as the story goes on, you know 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.359 he owns the club. Well, I created the club. You know, 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.919 it's my show. No, it's my show. And there was 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.560 cash being taken out of the club, at least in 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:47.000 the New York club. I mean, do you want me 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:49.320 to continue here or do you a new way? I mean, 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:51.720 we're we're loving hearing you, Chad, And I'd also love 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.640 to hear your about your relationship with Steep Energy. Yeah. 0:21:54.640 --> 0:22:01.240 I was gonna say, actually, wow, he really creat to me. 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:07.520 So okay, So where I am with this? What was 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:11.680 I just saying to you? Um, you were saying about 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:14.320 the about the right they agreed on the rights for 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:18.120 the traveling shown asking right wrote that off he did? 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.639 It was like not not a thing right, because he 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:25.560 didn't understand that Um, he did open the club. You know, 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.639 the club was open. He did come in. And the 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:31.280 good the one good thing that I will say about Nick. 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:36.880 He was a creative person, so I knew this from 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.080 New York since he was never going to be a 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:44.800 director on Broadway self. Admittedly, he knew that he wanted 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:49.280 to make this show his Broadway show. So we had 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.800 a box office. You could buy tickets to t t kts. 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:57.240 You had to make reservations. Um. We had a lighting designer, 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:02.400 We had a choreographer. We had costumes, albeit very slim costumes. 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:06.480 We had costumes. Um, and the last time there was 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:10.760 an act, there were five acts. We had backup dancers. Um. 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:13.760 We had a costume girl, you know, taking care of 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:17.800 things this show, like I had to. He found a 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:21.000 tailor because when I'd hire a guy, you know, you 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:24.119 had to get fitted for your black spandex pants. So 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.200 I needed a tailor. This is Do you ever see 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:32.040 the Shark Starsky and Hutch a huggy bear the shirt 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.520 open with the gold chains and the hat and the feathers, 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:37.880 and you thought he was a pimp. That was my 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:46.080 my tailor. His name was Jerry Man Desire. Is that 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:49.080 his real name this is. I called him Jerry and 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.159 that's what it said on his card. And mind you, 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:56.680 I'm K five, I'm recently out of college. I'm working 0:23:57.080 --> 0:23:59.719 in the workforce a little bit. I had no clue. 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.359 Even with the El Dorado parked in front of the 0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:06.679 club with the girls inside, I had no clue. Seriously 0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:09.680 went right over my head because I pick up the front. Jerry, 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:11.239 where are you? You need to be here. I need 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:14.080 you to measure the new guys that came in well, 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:17.679 and I saw in the first episode that these guys 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:21.800 would end up kissing What was it like over tip? 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:26.120 Kissing tip? You can't do that today, I mean, especially 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:31.480 in a pandemic, you can't today. Were they also actually 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:36.359 having sex with people? Yes? Yes, So New York Club 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:40.080 much bigger deal than the l A Club. They rebuilt 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:43.960 the club. There's a V I P Room upstairs. And 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:47.680 so here's how it went. Six o'clock doors open, all 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:49.600 the bridge and tunnel, you know, a bridge and tunnel 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.919 from New York Bay to all the bridge and tunnel. Uh. 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:58.359 People would come into the club. Um, I would have 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.280 to when I hire. You had to be six street 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.000 tall and you had to be wrecked that was the 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:05.359 requirement for me to hire. You are any of these 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:09.679 guys straight and single and still alive? Yes, well, yes, 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:17.760 still alive. But another misconception though all these years, everybody 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.520 thought that all of us who worked in the club 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:23.840 are gay, which is not the cast where we were 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:29.160 straight are straight. But were there gay guys in the club? Yes, 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:35.080 the backup dancers that we had, all but one we're gay, 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.440 A couple of our tenders, maybe a waiter here and there. 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.240 But my point of this is is we were a 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:45.480 brotherhood inside this club. It didn't matter like we were 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:50.040 living in this bubble and it was all happening like 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.880 around us. So we were all there together for when 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.960 it didn't matter who was gay, who was straight. This 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:03.200 it was before AIDS so sex. Yeah, so I'll explain 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:11.960 that to you now, Doors open sex. I understands it 0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:16.280