Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of Real Time Crime.
Speaker 1: I'm Leo Lamar with your new radio voice, and I
Speaker 1: have with me my co host Teddy Melling Camp. I
Speaker 1: can't even pause today because your new voice had me
Speaker 1: so um shocked. It's like I talked to Chris Cuomo
Speaker 1: one time, and uh, I've changed forever. And we've also
Speaker 1: got with us of course our favorite sometimes Dmitri. Hello,
Speaker 1: sometimes hello, how are you? You know? I'm good, except
Speaker 1: for I was out until five am last night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask. I figured that's where the voice
Speaker 1: was coming from. It looks like you're still out. You're like,
Speaker 1: why you're in a pitch black room, your backstage at
Speaker 1: a nightclub like she's at the chipping Dale. We're going
Speaker 1: to discuss. I can't understand what, Like it's daylight here,
Speaker 1: you see, I mean sometimes throwing dollar bills around? Sorry,
Speaker 1: what what are you doing? I feel like you have
Speaker 1: a crystal ball in tarot cards in front of you.
Speaker 1: What is happening? You guys are roasting the ship out
Speaker 1: of me. They need to see the clip of I mean,
Speaker 1: all I see of you is your face. Everything else
Speaker 1: it's black. I'm at the I'm at the hotel. Almost
Speaker 1: disclosed my location, but you know, bad, naughty Lea. I'm
Speaker 1: at a hotel in Austin. I'm here for south By Southwest.
Speaker 1: I've been doing two shows a night every night. Um,
Speaker 1: very tired. But why was I out until five am?
Speaker 1: You ask? I don't know. Does my ex live in Austin?
Speaker 1: Maybe we know it's coming? What this is worse? We
Speaker 1: had a very own conversation that included no sex. Was
Speaker 1: just both of us crying, holding each other, telling each
Speaker 1: other how much we meant to the other. First, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm I respected it when I thought it was just
Speaker 1: south By south Sex, but now it's Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: fine with just the tips, but hugging and crying over
Speaker 1: missing one another, like did you guys break up? Originally? Um?
Speaker 1: The truth is he's mentally ill in a way that
Speaker 1: isn't funny. But wow, that sounds like a lot of fun. Well,
Speaker 1: I hope you can go over and cuddle together again tonight.
Speaker 1: I can't believe we were just told that Leah's X,
Speaker 1: someone she used to date, is mentally ill and we
Speaker 1: can't touch that and we have to just leave it.
Speaker 1: Someone that's more mentally ill than me if you can imagine, Well,
Speaker 1: was he the sole one crying and holding him at
Speaker 1: for a him or were you doing the same. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say he cried first. This isn't chipped for chat.
Speaker 1: Men usually not for chat. And I need just send
Speaker 1: me a text of what he looks like real quick.
Speaker 1: I just need a full visual before we, you know,
Speaker 1: we get into all the things. And also I'll just
Speaker 1: say this, Um, I did another complete crime the other
Speaker 1: day where I was at an event where I had
Speaker 1: a show, and I told these two guys, I said,
Speaker 1: I'll be right back, can you guys watch my bag?
Speaker 1: And then they did, and then I was gone for
Speaker 1: an hour and I just assumed they left. You know,
Speaker 1: I was just like whatever, whatever, what was in it?
Speaker 1: I mean, everything that I needed any This is extremely
Speaker 1: unsettling to the one that has been derailed since you
Speaker 1: lost her Fannie pack, the fact that you just just
Speaker 1: willy nearly left your bag with somebody for an hour,
Speaker 1: just free falling it without your bag on purpose. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, someone came into the room that
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to and Mark Cuban and then
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, is he rich? Has a head shot
Speaker 1: married check check check. Let me get over there. I
Speaker 1: already emailed him. I was like, let's play pickle ball
Speaker 1: next week. Um, teddy, you're welcome to joint. And UM,
Speaker 1: I also just sent you a photo of my ex
Speaker 1: by the way. Um. And then when I came back
Speaker 1: to my bag, these guys we're like, are you insane?
Speaker 1: Are you meant? Are you mental? You left your bag
Speaker 1: with two strangers for an hour. This guy literally started
Speaker 1: yelling at me. I was like, okay, Dad, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: You know, uh mind when you send me pictures of
Speaker 1: your ex to not send them with his girlfriend after you,
Speaker 1: because it confuses my my sight. She's actually the girlfriend
Speaker 1: before me, and we do look very similar. Good, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't sending it. Well. The other
Speaker 1: thing about her x is he has a type. He
Speaker 1: has a very obvious tife. Why does the excello crazy
Speaker 1: as well? I honestly thought Leo was in these pictures.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. You don't have that much time to
Speaker 1: do hot topics, But there is one hot topic that
Speaker 1: I really do want to talk about before we have on. J. D. Schwartz,
Speaker 1: who is the producer of Chippendales and that incredible documentary.
Speaker 1: But the hot topic I want to talk about is
Speaker 1: what's going on with Jesse. Okay, great, Okay. So, after
Speaker 1: Jesse Smaillett was sentenced a hundred and fifty days in
Speaker 1: jail and thirty months of probation for staging a hate
Speaker 1: crime against health, the former Empire star is at the
Speaker 1: center of a free Jesse campaign, with fellow actors speaking out.
Speaker 1: Alfrey ordered Samuel Jackson and his wife and more previously
Speaker 1: asked Illinois Judge James B. Lynn asked to not sentenced
Speaker 1: Smollett to prison time, and a letter written to the judge,
Speaker 1: Jackson wrote that Smollett comes from a good family that
Speaker 1: can provide the support and monitoring assistance that they can
Speaker 1: provide for him in an alternative probation scenario. The pulp
Speaker 1: fiction star continued, Jesse has already suffered a great deal
Speaker 1: of punishment as this situation has destroyed his existing career
Speaker 1: and impugned his reputation. Please, Judge Lynn, in God's name,
Speaker 1: please save this young man and allow him to be
Speaker 1: of service. Jesse Smollett is worth the risk and the investment.
Speaker 1: Smollett was sentenced on March tenth after falsely alleging in
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen that he was attacked by two men
Speaker 1: using racist and homophobic slurs. Jesse also opened he says
Speaker 1: he is not suicidal, so if he ends up dead,
Speaker 1: you guys know what happened. Um Tara g P. Hinson
Speaker 1: later issued an Instagram statement condemning the sentence. I am
Speaker 1: not here to debate you on the innocence, but can
Speaker 1: we agree that the punishment does not fit the crime?
Speaker 1: Henson wrote. Emmett Till was brutally beat and ultimately murdered
Speaker 1: because of a lie, and none of the people involved
Speaker 1: with his demives spent one day in jail, even after
Speaker 1: Caroline Briant admitted that her claims were false. No one
Speaker 1: was hurt or killed during Jesse's ordeal. He has already
Speaker 1: lost everything everything, Hinson continued to me. As an artist
Speaker 1: not able to create, that in itself is punishment enough.
Speaker 1: He can't get a job, No one in Hollywood will
Speaker 1: hire him again, and as an artist who loves to create,
Speaker 1: that is prison. My prayers that he is freed and
Speaker 1: put on house arrest and probation, because in this case
Speaker 1: that would seem fair. Please free Jesse and then Gabrielle Union,
Speaker 1: Leslie Jordan among others have liked this. What are y'all
Speaker 1: thoughts on this? I thought that it would be a
Speaker 1: lot more powerful if Samuel L. Jackson didn't write a
Speaker 1: letter but used his voice m the Capital One commercial. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's here's the thing. The reason he doesn't have his
Speaker 1: career is because of something that he did. So in
Speaker 1: that respect, I don't think that's a good argument. But also,
Speaker 1: and that same thing didn't didn't we find out that
Speaker 1: he had to go into some sort of mental ward recently, Like,
Speaker 1: isn't probably the reason he did what he did was
Speaker 1: allegedly because of some sort of mental illness. Well then
Speaker 1: he should be said, they should be sentenced into some
Speaker 1: health care facility like that. But I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a matter of oh, well, listen, he didn't, you know what,
Speaker 1: he lost his career. That's good enough because technically he's
Speaker 1: still denying it as well. So if he needs help,
Speaker 1: acent let's get him help. But I don't think it's
Speaker 1: just allright, well, he shouldn't have to serve anything because
Speaker 1: he lied to police. He calls a bunch of resources
Speaker 1: and time and the and all that you know to
Speaker 1: be spent on this, so I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: matter of just well, all right, come on, yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't agree with the house arrest aspect of it. If
Speaker 1: you do a crime, you do a crime. However, if
Speaker 1: there is mental health involved, I do think that that
Speaker 1: type of facility should be the alternative. I agree. And
Speaker 1: if you do the crime, you do the time. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you have to get it in every time. But speaking
Speaker 1: of time, we have to take a little break because guests,
Speaker 1: who's here? Oh my god, our guest. I just want
Speaker 1: to really quickly say, Jesse, if you want to come
Speaker 1: back to the art world, the stand up comedy community,
Speaker 1: except literally everyone, So welcome back to the art world.
Speaker 1: If you want to write some jokes while you're in prison,
Speaker 1: come join us after all, right, back to you, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Yeah, okay, everyone. I am super
Speaker 1: excited to introduce our guest for today. This is J. D. Schwartz.
Speaker 1: He's a former producer of Chippendale's but now brings extensive
Speaker 1: public relations experience and the professional zeal of an aggressive
Speaker 1: New Yorker. So do I to his approach of doing publicity.
Speaker 1: He has a collector roster of clients, but he is
Speaker 1: best known for his personality representation UM and you know,
Speaker 1: he originally achieved a lot of success in theater in
Speaker 1: New York and he is here with us today to
Speaker 1: talk about the secrets of the Chippendale's murders and also
Speaker 1: just Chippendale's in general. So it's incredible. It's a four docuseries,
Speaker 1: it's on A and E, it's on Monday nights, and
Speaker 1: it unveils the shocking story behind the Chippendale's empire. And
Speaker 1: a Chippendal's was a nightclub that aimed to allure and
Speaker 1: please women with its scantily clad mail dancers and vivacious music,
Speaker 1: and quickly advanced toward a pop culture phenomenon until it
Speaker 1: came crashing down. Through exclusive interviews never before seeing crime
Speaker 1: scene video and declassified FBI surveillance audio, the special unravels
Speaker 1: the hidden tale of how sex, jealousy, arson, hefty bags
Speaker 1: filled with cash, and mafia shakedowns all led up to
Speaker 1: one of the most outrageous murders in American history. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's incredible. I just think that you need
Speaker 1: to tune in a SAP a SAP, especially because you're
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, it's gonna be even more interesting
Speaker 1: after getting a little more information behind the scenes and
Speaker 1: especially what the club was all about before the murders. Hi, Ja,
Speaker 1: how are you good? How are you so good? We're
Speaker 1: really glad to have you here. Hi, thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you for having me appreciate it just before we start.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know, and I've been trying to
Speaker 1: explain this, but the murders, that's what this documentary is about.
Speaker 1: But that's not what Chippendales was about. The murders happened
Speaker 1: after the huge success and the craziness and the phenomenon
Speaker 1: of Chippendales. I opened and ran Chippendales in New York
Speaker 1: in I did all the hiring, the firing, and the
Speaker 1: guy was murdered. He was my boss. So I just
Speaker 1: want to give you that background here. The phenomenal success
Speaker 1: of the club. It was a cash business, so it
Speaker 1: just boiled down to greed. You're taking money from me,
Speaker 1: You're stealing from me. What do you mean, you're taking
Speaker 1: the show on the road. You know. It all came
Speaker 1: down to that. But that's all happened after the fact.
Speaker 1: When we opened this club in New York. It was
Speaker 1: the hottest thing in New York everybody. It was a
Speaker 1: studio fifty four in US. Okay, So just a backtrack
Speaker 1: a little bit, when you brought how were you brought
Speaker 1: in originally to produce Chippendales and what exactly does that mean? Okay?
Speaker 1: So I was working for a Broadway producer. We had
Speaker 1: a big hit show on Broadway called Hurley Burley. Bill
Speaker 1: heard Chris Walking, Suzie Kurds Synthonics and it was a
Speaker 1: big deal. His fiance Barbara, who was also in the documentary,
Speaker 1: she was a club promoter. The owner of Magic, which
Speaker 1: was the club that Chippendales went into, called Barbara and said, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're opening this club. You know we're going into it.
Speaker 1: Not a club we're opening. We're bringing Chippendales to our club.
Speaker 1: Would you come in and work to help us open
Speaker 1: the club? Hurley Burley was a huge hit on Broadway.
Speaker 1: So she said, well, I can't do it. I love
Speaker 1: spend our assistant to go. And you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to go because the entertainment business is where I was.
Speaker 1: I was working on a Broadway producer's office. I went reluctantly,
Speaker 1: and she said just go and then you'll come back,
Speaker 1: you know, after the club is open. So I went
Speaker 1: and I met with Nick, who was the guy who
Speaker 1: got murdered, who, by the way, you have to tell me,
Speaker 1: like how honest and and Frank I can be here
Speaker 1: as possibly can be. We love it because he was
Speaker 1: a dick. Nobody liked him, I mean and especially me.
Speaker 1: He treated me horribly. Think of Harvey Weinstein and Scott Ruten.
Speaker 1: That's who this guy was. He was just an ego,
Speaker 1: an egomaniacal son of a bit. We called him Nick
Speaker 1: the dick Um. He was one of Jennifer O'Neill's eight husbands.
Speaker 1: He was in the closet and and the marquis in
Speaker 1: front of the club said Magique presents Chippendales conceived, written,
Speaker 1: produced and directed by Nick Denia. Because he wanted all
Speaker 1: the credit for everything, and he just treated people very,
Speaker 1: very poorly. So I went met him at a restaurant
Speaker 1: on Broadway called Jrs. And we went, we had dinner,
Speaker 1: and I said, okay, I would do this, not knowing
Speaker 1: what really what this was. I had no idea what
Speaker 1: chipping Dales was. I was twenty five years old. I
Speaker 1: was out of college, you know, I was working in
Speaker 1: a press office up for Broadway shows, and I really
Speaker 1: didn't know what this was. But I was also in
Speaker 1: a really good situation in the Broadway office I was
Speaker 1: working in because I was hanging out. There's a restaurant
Speaker 1: in New York City called Cafe Centro. So I was
Speaker 1: hanging out every night with Chris wall In and Danny
Speaker 1: Iello and Bruce Willis. And this is the New York
Speaker 1: actors that came into this restaurant every night to hang out.
Speaker 1: So I was a part of that. So I was
Speaker 1: really very reluctant to give up sort of my entree
Speaker 1: to go work in a club would like, who wanted
Speaker 1: to go work in a club? Um? And so what
Speaker 1: did it? Though? So what made you my? But so
Speaker 1: my job was, um, I did all the hiring, I
Speaker 1: did all the firing. I was in charge of anything
Speaker 1: and everything that made this show happen, from when we
Speaker 1: started that summer, you know, to them rebuilding the club,
Speaker 1: two the rehearsals, to you know, models would come in
Speaker 1: all the time, and and you know, to get jobs
Speaker 1: you have to be six feet tall. You had to
Speaker 1: take your shirt off, which was a very uncomfortable thing
Speaker 1: for me. To say to another guy, take your shirt off.
Speaker 1: But that was the job because you had to look
Speaker 1: you know, you have to be ripped. You have to
Speaker 1: look at a certain way. Nowadays it's like, oh, take
Speaker 1: your shirt off, you know I need to see or
Speaker 1: even after I got into it, i was, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's part of the job. It's like it's it's not
Speaker 1: a big deal. In Hollywood nowadays, guys go to auditions
Speaker 1: without their shirts to begin with, and the audition usually
Speaker 1: happens in my bedroom. But to go back, even before
Speaker 1: you started, So it started with Steve Banergy founding at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the club, So the club. Steve Banergy
Speaker 1: was an immigrant from India who came here with an
Speaker 1: American dream. He bought He realized that discos were a
Speaker 1: big deal in New York, so he figured it would
Speaker 1: work its way out to l A. He bought this
Speaker 1: old chess club if you can believe there were chess
Speaker 1: clubs on Overland in you in West l A. And
Speaker 1: he wanted to turn it into a disco. This guy
Speaker 1: named you might have heard of him, Paul Snyder, who
Speaker 1: was married to Dorothy Stratton, the movie star eight. He
Speaker 1: was based on that came into the club and said, Steve,
Speaker 1: what you need to do is make us a mile
Speaker 1: Strip club, and you know, I'll help you here and
Speaker 1: I'll be your MC. What Paul was kind of a
Speaker 1: guy that like he was a wanna be you know,
Speaker 1: like I'll be your m C. And he had no
Speaker 1: clue on how to be an MC. He could barely
Speaker 1: you know, get you know. Um. But his kind to
Speaker 1: fame was that he married Dorothy Stratton and then killed
Speaker 1: her and then killed himself. Um. So after yeah, after
Speaker 1: Steve fired Paul, he met Nick. Nick came into the
Speaker 1: club and Nick said, oh, I could do this. I'll
Speaker 1: you know, a show out of this, you know Nick again,
Speaker 1: So I told you he was in the closet one
Speaker 1: of Jennifer and YO husband's right. Yes, was a Z
Speaker 1: list director. He had a dear cut, you know, didn't
Speaker 1: even my right. I'm not saying other people felt like
Speaker 1: I failed, although I'm sure they did, But this is
Speaker 1: how I felt of how he treated me. This is
Speaker 1: my truth. So I don't have anything nice to say
Speaker 1: about him. You know, it's terrible to say anybody deserves
Speaker 1: to be murdered. M Well, I have a question, who
Speaker 1: is it that negotiated the deal with Hugh Hefner that
Speaker 1: Chippendales was allowed to have the custom collars. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That was before me. I came in as there, you know,
Speaker 1: I came into New York. All this other stuff I
Speaker 1: knew about, but I wasn't there for it, like the
Speaker 1: Napkin deal that Steve and and and Nick didn't. By
Speaker 1: the way I was telling about Nick, he had a
Speaker 1: production company, a children's production company, mind you, called Unicorn Tails,
Speaker 1: and he won two Emmy's, but again way before me.
Speaker 1: And then turns out that he's in the closet and he's,
Speaker 1: you know, heading up a mail strip, just saying he's
Speaker 1: a busy guy. Take away from that which you choose
Speaker 1: to we call we call that we range in the business.
Speaker 1: He he he made it. So when he went into
Speaker 1: he went to dinner with Steve and they were negotiating,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what Nick had asked for, but
Speaker 1: Steve had said no, and then Steve had said, Nick
Speaker 1: had said, okay, well then I want all touring rights
Speaker 1: in perpetuity. Steve didn't even know what the word perpetuity meant, um,
Speaker 1: you know, because obviously he wasn't from here. But he
Speaker 1: he said, okay, fine, he wasn't worried about the you know,
Speaker 1: a tour. It's like it's a club we're opening, you know,
Speaker 1: like touring wasn't even a thing to think. He said,
Speaker 1: I just got to get these chess pieces out of
Speaker 1: here and the dancers in um. And so that's how
Speaker 1: that's really what this came down to. Greed again. But
Speaker 1: as you'll see as the story goes on, you know
Speaker 1: he owns the club. Well, I created the club. You know,
Speaker 1: it's my show. No, it's my show. And there was
Speaker 1: cash being taken out of the club, at least in
Speaker 1: the New York club. I mean, do you want me
Speaker 1: to continue here or do you a new way? I mean,
Speaker 1: we're we're loving hearing you, Chad, And I'd also love
Speaker 1: to hear your about your relationship with Steep Energy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, actually, wow, he really creat to me.
Speaker 1: So okay, So where I am with this? What was
Speaker 1: I just saying to you? Um, you were saying about
Speaker 1: the about the right they agreed on the rights for
Speaker 1: the traveling shown asking right wrote that off he did?
Speaker 1: It was like not not a thing right, because he
Speaker 1: didn't understand that Um, he did open the club. You know,
Speaker 1: the club was open. He did come in. And the
Speaker 1: good the one good thing that I will say about Nick.
Speaker 1: He was a creative person, so I knew this from
Speaker 1: New York since he was never going to be a
Speaker 1: director on Broadway self. Admittedly, he knew that he wanted
Speaker 1: to make this show his Broadway show. So we had
Speaker 1: a box office. You could buy tickets to t t kts.
Speaker 1: You had to make reservations. Um. We had a lighting designer,
Speaker 1: We had a choreographer. We had costumes, albeit very slim costumes.
Speaker 1: We had costumes. Um, and the last time there was
Speaker 1: an act, there were five acts. We had backup dancers. Um.
Speaker 1: We had a costume girl, you know, taking care of
Speaker 1: things this show, like I had to. He found a
Speaker 1: tailor because when I'd hire a guy, you know, you
Speaker 1: had to get fitted for your black spandex pants. So
Speaker 1: I needed a tailor. This is Do you ever see
Speaker 1: the Shark Starsky and Hutch a huggy bear the shirt
Speaker 1: open with the gold chains and the hat and the feathers,
Speaker 1: and you thought he was a pimp. That was my
Speaker 1: my tailor. His name was Jerry Man Desire. Is that
Speaker 1: his real name this is. I called him Jerry and
Speaker 1: that's what it said on his card. And mind you,
Speaker 1: I'm K five, I'm recently out of college. I'm working
Speaker 1: in the workforce a little bit. I had no clue.
Speaker 1: Even with the El Dorado parked in front of the
Speaker 1: club with the girls inside, I had no clue. Seriously
Speaker 1: went right over my head because I pick up the front. Jerry,
Speaker 1: where are you? You need to be here. I need
Speaker 1: you to measure the new guys that came in well,
Speaker 1: and I saw in the first episode that these guys
Speaker 1: would end up kissing What was it like over tip?
Speaker 1: Kissing tip? You can't do that today, I mean, especially
Speaker 1: in a pandemic, you can't today. Were they also actually
Speaker 1: having sex with people? Yes? Yes, So New York Club
Speaker 1: much bigger deal than the l A Club. They rebuilt
Speaker 1: the club. There's a V I P Room upstairs. And
Speaker 1: so here's how it went. Six o'clock doors open, all
Speaker 1: the bridge and tunnel, you know, a bridge and tunnel
Speaker 1: from New York Bay to all the bridge and tunnel. Uh.
Speaker 1: People would come into the club. Um, I would have
Speaker 1: to when I hire. You had to be six street
Speaker 1: tall and you had to be wrecked that was the
Speaker 1: requirement for me to hire. You are any of these
Speaker 1: guys straight and single and still alive? Yes, well, yes,
Speaker 1: still alive. But another misconception though all these years, everybody
Speaker 1: thought that all of us who worked in the club
Speaker 1: are gay, which is not the cast where we were
Speaker 1: straight are straight. But were there gay guys in the club? Yes,
Speaker 1: the backup dancers that we had, all but one we're gay,
Speaker 1: A couple of our tenders, maybe a waiter here and there.
Speaker 1: But my point of this is is we were a
Speaker 1: brotherhood inside this club. It didn't matter like we were
Speaker 1: living in this bubble and it was all happening like
Speaker 1: around us. So we were all there together for when
Speaker 1: it didn't matter who was gay, who was straight. This
Speaker 1: it was before AIDS so sex. Yeah, so I'll explain
Speaker 1: that to you now, Doors open sex. I understands it
Speaker 1: pretty well. Um my parents keep meaning to have this
Speaker 1: conversation if you could fill me in. Nobody ever had
Speaker 1: that conversation with me ever to figure it out on
Speaker 1: my own. Um, Um, doors would open it. So when
Speaker 1: I hired these guys, I'd have to give out you know, handouts.
Speaker 1: You know, this is the this Chippendales Chippendales is Disneyland
Speaker 1: for ladies. You know, this is the rules of a host,
Speaker 1: of a waiter. This is your job. So the idea was,
Speaker 1: and again I give this credit to Nick, when a
Speaker 1: woman walked into that club, it didn't matter what her
Speaker 1: ethnicity was, what she looked like, how tall, how big,
Speaker 1: house short, It didn't matter. When you start talking to
Speaker 1: a woman, she's the only person and that you see
Speaker 1: you treat her like she is a queen. She is
Speaker 1: the one nobody else can get into this conversation. It's
Speaker 1: just you and her. Is this any woman or any woman?
Speaker 1: Any woman an additional No, any any woman. There was
Speaker 1: no additional fee. This is what you were when you
Speaker 1: walked into the club. Okay, so you start and an
Speaker 1: alcohol started to be served at six o'clock. So you
Speaker 1: have six hundred women with all these great looking guys,
Speaker 1: and and did I guess I didn't send you any
Speaker 1: pictures or I have a little sizzle reel too, because
Speaker 1: I had, which I'll also tell you I wanted to
Speaker 1: I sold this my story, not the murder story, my
Speaker 1: story of what I'm about to tell you happened in
Speaker 1: the club because I wanted to do a television show
Speaker 1: based on this um. So the women would come in
Speaker 1: and start drinking. Show starts at eight o'clock. You have
Speaker 1: all these great looking guys in the club, you know,
Speaker 1: just catering to all of these women. Show starts at eight.
Speaker 1: Show happens. What the show is is different guys would
Speaker 1: come out and do their act after, Like the first
Speaker 1: act was the Unknown Flasher. The second act I think
Speaker 1: was Cone in the Barbarian. We had a construction site.
Speaker 1: And then the big the big act was the Perfect Man.
Speaker 1: They were taking bits and pieces from all the guys
Speaker 1: who worked in the club and like a mad scientists
Speaker 1: was creating the perfect man. And then our perfect man
Speaker 1: would come and there's a great looking dude named Michael
Speaker 1: rath Um. And then the backup dancers would do so
Speaker 1: after they would do their act, the lights would come up,
Speaker 1: their music would start playing, and the hosts and waiters
Speaker 1: would sit around the club. Because this was interactive. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like a an oval stay, you know, an oval
Speaker 1: dance floor, you know with the stage in the bath
Speaker 1: and the waiters and hosts would you know, hold up five,
Speaker 1: you know a fifty or five or ten a dollar
Speaker 1: over the guy over the woman's head and the guys
Speaker 1: would come over and kiss them. You know, it would
Speaker 1: be like a ton selectomy that was going on. So
Speaker 1: I also have a question. I know that like now
Speaker 1: for customary strip clubs, women can attend even if it's
Speaker 1: like could men attend? In addition, here was the thing.
Speaker 1: Men were not allowed in Okay until it went to
Speaker 1: the state looker board. Somebody made a complaint and they
Speaker 1: were going to take the liquor license away. This is
Speaker 1: right after we opened, and they, you know, said we'll
Speaker 1: shut you down if you don't allow men in. So
Speaker 1: they allowed men in to go and sit up in
Speaker 1: the VIP room, which was above. It was in the
Speaker 1: back of the club looking down over the club. Um,
Speaker 1: and it was you know, two side a glass, so
Speaker 1: like you couldn't see in, but they could see out.
Speaker 1: So that took took care of of that. Um. But
Speaker 1: remember now you have six hundred horny, drunk women in
Speaker 1: this club. By ten o'clock. Ten o'clock, the club reverts
Speaker 1: back to magic. The doors open and down the city block,
Speaker 1: two ways down the city lock. You have lines of
Speaker 1: guys coming in to get laid because easy easy going
Speaker 1: on there. The women in the club when they wanted
Speaker 1: to hook up with any of the guys in the
Speaker 1: club during the show. Well, there are no men in
Speaker 1: the club, so the men's room is available, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Wow to the mendroom. And while you're in there, Jose,
Speaker 1: who's the valet? And then I was also dealing club,
Speaker 1: which there was a lot of coat going on and
Speaker 1: it's a nice final touch. Yeah, and the customary mints
Speaker 1: and gum and whatnot. I'm sure, yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: and I say that this was because it was so
Speaker 1: you asked me, and I started, I didn't want to go.
Speaker 1: Now I'm there, I'm the boss, I'm running this place.
Speaker 1: I'm twenty five years old. I have all these guys
Speaker 1: working for me. There's women galore in this club. Everyone's
Speaker 1: getting laid left and right, And why wouldn't I want
Speaker 1: to be there? It was just a great place to be,
Speaker 1: but it was a disney. It was a great place
Speaker 1: to be until it wasn't a great place to be.
Speaker 1: So when how many years was it successful? Like going
Speaker 1: well things? Nobody was getting cyanide shots. You know that?
Speaker 1: That again way after and that wasn't New York. That
Speaker 1: was l a okay, Um, it was so we opened
Speaker 1: October in New York. The money that was coming in
Speaker 1: was so much by the guys coming in the club
Speaker 1: and the women drinking. It was cash. The owners used
Speaker 1: to take out cash in big hefty bags out the
Speaker 1: side door and put them in the trunks of their
Speaker 1: cars in the garage. So I tell you that just
Speaker 1: to remind you that when we get to the murder part, it's, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's all going to come back to the money here,
Speaker 1: because there's no there's no accounting of how much did
Speaker 1: well real like I had to do an audit. I
Speaker 1: was called to testify for the l A Club, for
Speaker 1: Steve Energy and for the New York Club, which is
Speaker 1: where I worked with these guys. I was a witness
Speaker 1: for both sides, which I still don't understand how that worked.
Speaker 1: Um just really just really quickly at the club's peak,
Speaker 1: how much money, if you had to guess, was actually
Speaker 1: coming through every night? Oh, I don't know, I honest,
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what it costs to get in.
Speaker 1: I don't remember, But I do know that that place
Speaker 1: was packed every night. I remember as a kid driving
Speaker 1: through in my parents car, like we'd we'd be going
Speaker 1: through the city, and we'd see danger Fields, and we'd
Speaker 1: see Chippendale's and and the crowds outside both of them
Speaker 1: were just outrageous. And and I remember thinking, oh, you
Speaker 1: know what, when I grew up. It turns out at
Speaker 1: that time I was only five eleven, so I went
Speaker 1: in a comedy instead of stripping one more sometimes, Dmitri
Speaker 1: and you could have really, yeah, well now I'm six ft,
Speaker 1: but now I don't. I'm not ripped, so you know
Speaker 1: what could have been? Um? So, so, yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: what happened withinside this club. Um if you I left
Speaker 1: in five and I moved out to l A and Jen,
Speaker 1: did you work for the club out here? No? No,
Speaker 1: I got back into publicity. M hmm, Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I just gonna ask a quick question. I feel like
Speaker 1: there's something that everyone wants to know. And if you're
Speaker 1: working at the most I mean, powerful, well known, well
Speaker 1: attended strip club in New York or l A Chippendale's, right,
Speaker 1: what is I'm sure you've seen and heard everything. Is
Speaker 1: there any sort of night or moment that stood out
Speaker 1: to you that was the wildest thing you've seen at
Speaker 1: this club? And yeah, one night I heard in the
Speaker 1: locker room. There was a bathroom in the locker room
Speaker 1: and these two women. I think this had to be
Speaker 1: like after the show, and these two women were there
Speaker 1: and she said, I just got funned by this I
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn. And the other woman said, well, I just
Speaker 1: gave a blowjob to this guy from Queens and said
Speaker 1: things like boughs. Yeah. Um. I remember us going to
Speaker 1: the roof of the club, you know, during the summer,
Speaker 1: and taking women up to the roof of the club
Speaker 1: to have sex and perform all kinds of different acts.
Speaker 1: And what I remember most about one of the most
Speaker 1: memorable things about this is the Roosevelt Tram came right
Speaker 1: over the club, so we would be looking up at
Speaker 1: the people in the tram as the people in the
Speaker 1: cham we're looking down at what it's going and what
Speaker 1: we were doing. You know. I tell people like so
Speaker 1: when I wanted to sell my this is a show.
Speaker 1: This is a show, right. This is what made Shipping Dales.
Speaker 1: The phenomenon is what happened inside the club. I termed
Speaker 1: as breaking Bad meets mad Men, like the characters of
Speaker 1: Men of mad Men and the craziness of Breaking Bad,
Speaker 1: except you're not having meth is a backdrop, you've got sex,
Speaker 1: drugs and rock and roll as the backdrop. You have
Speaker 1: Chippendale strippers. Um, this was just a time. That was
Speaker 1: the thing that I said, hire a writer, Hire your
Speaker 1: best writer. Let him come up with all kinds of
Speaker 1: stories of things that you think might have happened in
Speaker 1: this club, and give me your best story. I'll beat
Speaker 1: that tent. There's the truth is stranger than fiction here.
Speaker 1: So even though at the beginning, when you guys were
Speaker 1: all there and Nick and and Energy have the conversation,
Speaker 1: they're not worried about towards you know, it's in the
Speaker 1: back of his mind. Tours ultimately start to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what what what had happened? They eight? Everybody was fighting.
Speaker 1: As I said, nobody really along with Nick. So the
Speaker 1: l a Uh, Steve didn't talk to him, The New
Speaker 1: York people didn't talk to him, and it was me.
Speaker 1: I was in the middle because they would only talk
Speaker 1: to me, and then he would only talk to me
Speaker 1: to deliver messages to them. It was really like childish
Speaker 1: when Steven. When Nick wanted to come back to l
Speaker 1: A like to take a couple of days to come home,
Speaker 1: he had to have permission from the New York Club
Speaker 1: to leave, so that he was still going to be
Speaker 1: getting paid. I had to write those letters and get
Speaker 1: them signed off on for his permission. But when he
Speaker 1: wanted so he wanted out. He wanted to take the
Speaker 1: tour clause the guys and do a tour and go
Speaker 1: out on the road. So I had a right letter.
Speaker 1: I had a type individual letters because no computers back then,
Speaker 1: and and send into all the hotels in Vegas and
Speaker 1: Atlantic City. And I sent a letter to Showtime. Showtime
Speaker 1: wasn't what showed Time is today. It was more of
Speaker 1: a novelty, you know, for specials um and I still
Speaker 1: have all of those letters that I wrote. And so
Speaker 1: he wanted out. At that point, I had a big
Speaker 1: blow up with Nick and so I left. In eighty five,
Speaker 1: I moved here. Um So when he was murdered, I
Speaker 1: got a call that night and I was actually at
Speaker 1: a red carpet on a red carpet with my partner
Speaker 1: at that time, Nancy Ryder, and with our client Michael J. Fox.
Speaker 1: We had a big opening up at Universal Studios. There
Speaker 1: was no city walk at the time. You know, you
Speaker 1: could drive right up in front of the movie theaters,
Speaker 1: and so I was there, I got home, I got
Speaker 1: to call J Did you hear that Nick at killed?
Speaker 1: And I like, the first thing out of my mouth
Speaker 1: was wasn't me? And so nobody knew who it was.
Speaker 1: But the point of that it wasn't me, it was
Speaker 1: like it could have been any guys, you know, he
Speaker 1: had enough enemy But did everyone kind of think it
Speaker 1: was Steve energy behind it all? Really, no one really
Speaker 1: thought that they thought it was the mafia hit or
Speaker 1: I don't know, because again I was here and I
Speaker 1: was far away from that, but I never heard anything
Speaker 1: about Steve. But when I found out it was Steve,
Speaker 1: it all made sense to me. I understood because I
Speaker 1: knew of the greed, I knew of the money. I
Speaker 1: knew that Nick wanted to leave, and so how that happened?
Speaker 1: So Steve put a hit out on Nick. He had
Speaker 1: a guy go into his office in mid tom Manhattan,
Speaker 1: walk up to Nick at four o'clock in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: come right up to him, put a gun to his head,
Speaker 1: and and kill him. So I have an ignorant question,
Speaker 1: how do you just find someone to put a head
Speaker 1: out on? He was evidently a bad guy, and he
Speaker 1: knew people, okay, mind you had I known the day
Speaker 1: that I was yelling at Steve on the phone saying,
Speaker 1: this is the arrogant New Yorker I didn't get my
Speaker 1: cod pieces back, the light up cod pieces right, and
Speaker 1: the cups and college some of the well what's the
Speaker 1: matter with you people in l A? Are you stupid?
Speaker 1: Did the sun turn your brains to mush? Why haven't
Speaker 1: I gotten this? Thinking back now, I probably shouldn't have
Speaker 1: yelled at him because he could have been and yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, the sun does turn our brains to most Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he was like, I can't kill him that
Speaker 1: of course, But again the Arrogan twenty five year old
Speaker 1: New Yorker or I won't say Arrogan, I'll say a
Speaker 1: rest uh New Yorker. But and Steve, he used to
Speaker 1: just show up at the club he was where he'd
Speaker 1: wear a dark brown suit and sandals and he would
Speaker 1: just show up in the club before the show would start,
Speaker 1: um to check on his investment. But he would always
Speaker 1: take me to lunch or dinner with his wife and
Speaker 1: chill drin. You know, he was a really nice guy
Speaker 1: to me. I didn't know that he was a murderer.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he had other clubs here at
Speaker 1: the very beginning before New York set on fire, because
Speaker 1: he didn't want uh competition, I mean with a dark
Speaker 1: brown suit and sandals and probably figured something. And you
Speaker 1: remember the big you were, you know, a tie, but
Speaker 1: they were like the wide the white tie, so like
Speaker 1: the knot was really wide, you know, and the tide
Speaker 1: was really you know, it was a wide tie also.
Speaker 1: And then I read this article in the Sun that
Speaker 1: he hired, you know, an assassin nicknamed Strawberry, and he
Speaker 1: would have people go and inject these other dancers. I
Speaker 1: think there's just that one. It was just that one.
Speaker 1: It was just that one. So that story. So after
Speaker 1: Nick was killed, nobody knows who did this, two of
Speaker 1: the dancers from the l A Club wanted to leave
Speaker 1: and go open and go do it and start a
Speaker 1: tour in England. Steve found out about it. He hired
Speaker 1: this guy and I don't know, you know, this was
Speaker 1: after I left, so this is all me hearing after
Speaker 1: the fact. But he hired this guy to fill up
Speaker 1: a vizine bottle full of cyanide so he can traveled
Speaker 1: with it on the plane go to England, and he
Speaker 1: was gonna supposed to go up to the guys and
Speaker 1: they go, how are you, and you know, give him
Speaker 1: a hug and and and stab him in the neck
Speaker 1: with the you know, with sinaide, you know, like a
Speaker 1: little bit needle um. But the guy that that Steve
Speaker 1: hired was an FBI and forman, so Steve got caught.
Speaker 1: He went to prison. While he's in prison, he makes
Speaker 1: a deal with the FEDS saying, I will admit to
Speaker 1: having Nick Denoia killed, which was the first time anybody
Speaker 1: knew that he was involved. It's probably except for the
Speaker 1: people who actually did the murder um, but they weren't
Speaker 1: even questioning him on that at that point. He and
Speaker 1: my kids, you know, they can't lose the house and
Speaker 1: they have to be protected. So they make the deal,
Speaker 1: signed the deal in his prison cell or wherever they
Speaker 1: in a room, and he goes back to his cell.
Speaker 1: The next morning that he had to go and appear
Speaker 1: in front of a judge to get sentenced. When they
Speaker 1: went to his jail cell to get him, they found
Speaker 1: him hanging in his jail cell. He committed suicide, and
Speaker 1: that was so that his family could keep the club. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was keeping the club, but
Speaker 1: like they wouldn't lose the house, they wouldn't lose the money.
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard that, you know, Steve had put
Speaker 1: money away in Swiss banks for for his family. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, right, because if you're not
Speaker 1: sent in than nothing really changes. But the other thing
Speaker 1: was I mean, it's all the kind of devastating. I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like Steve Bannergy was a really twisted guy.
Speaker 1: Successful but willing so competitive and willing to murder to
Speaker 1: make sure that he, you know, didn't have any competition
Speaker 1: and or anyone that gotten his way was not his
Speaker 1: way anymore. But you know that seems almost like a
Speaker 1: noble deed to make sure that your family is taken
Speaker 1: care of. Yeah, in the end, yeah, he was. Look
Speaker 1: he in my experience with him personally, he was very
Speaker 1: attentive to his wife and kids. You know, like I said,
Speaker 1: he was nice to me. But I think you have
Speaker 1: to you learn very very quickly as you're in that bubble, right,
Speaker 1: So he learned very quickly the the money game so
Speaker 1: much so fast that now you have to be looking around,
Speaker 1: you know, who's stealing for me? What is this I
Speaker 1: have to pay attention to this, this, this, and you
Speaker 1: know when it came down to the Chip Nails calendars,
Speaker 1: Steve is the person who hand picked each guy in
Speaker 1: that calendar. And he refused to put anybody in the
Speaker 1: New York Club in the calendar because he said they
Speaker 1: he said they were ugly, you know they were, they
Speaker 1: weren't as good looking as the guys in l A.
Speaker 1: So he had his hand in every single thing that
Speaker 1: went on. So you become paranoid, you you go to you,
Speaker 1: I would assume you want to protect your interests. So
Speaker 1: if he felt that Nick was stealing from him, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure he did by taking money out of his
Speaker 1: pocket by taking on a touring show, what do you
Speaker 1: mean touring show? What touring thing? Will you signed it
Speaker 1: in perpetuity? What does perpetuity mean? You know, I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about a tour because when he signed this
Speaker 1: Napkin deal, there really was no There was no tour.
Speaker 1: It was it was about it getting a club up
Speaker 1: and running. Who was thinking tour? And Leah to your
Speaker 1: point of him being like looking out for his family
Speaker 1: and this and that he probably felt as he when
Speaker 1: people were stealing for him from him or he felt
Speaker 1: that he probably felt like they were stealing from his
Speaker 1: wife and his kids, and that was their money as well.
Speaker 1: So I imagine that probably falls into the same, you know,
Speaker 1: defensive thing. And I just read something that his son
Speaker 1: is now a stripper, yes, you know, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: Steve were not have been happy about starting stripping Dales, Yes, stripping.
Speaker 1: That's actually look the other the other thing I think
Speaker 1: of why Chippendale's was such a success. And again this
Speaker 1: was Nick's thing because he'd say this all the time.
Speaker 1: The it wasn't back then it was you know, oh
Speaker 1: a strip club. You know, guys going to a sleazy
Speaker 1: bar and and you know, women take off all their clothes.
Speaker 1: This wasn't like that. Nick wanted this to be more burlesque,
Speaker 1: like Gypsy rose Lee, is what he would say, because
Speaker 1: there's more erotica in your imagination than an actually seen
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's the build up, it's the
Speaker 1: build d what is it going to be? What is
Speaker 1: it gonna be? Oh my god, it's more of that
Speaker 1: rather than the afro just come and take your clothes.
Speaker 1: There's there's a show, there's a story around it. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what really made the club. You know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't branded as sleeves, you know, it was it
Speaker 1: was entertainment. It was a show. I remember you said,
Speaker 1: he said Nick what he used to call Nick the Dick.
Speaker 1: Now in the movie Back to the Party with Tom Hanks,
Speaker 1: they went to a Chippendale's tead club and somebody was
Speaker 1: just They said, is that Nick or Mr Dick? So
Speaker 1: now I used to think I was just they went
Speaker 1: with the rhyme. But now I wonder if that was
Speaker 1: an homage to your guy Nick. Maybe I can't if
Speaker 1: I told you some of the things that he did
Speaker 1: in that club. I mean, it's just you know, thinking
Speaker 1: you can't say and talk to people like that today,
Speaker 1: but back then you shouldn't talk to people like that,
Speaker 1: you know. Like I remember one one afternoon the two
Speaker 1: things I tell you the day that the Mafia came
Speaker 1: into the club. I was downstairs, um and I'm talking
Speaker 1: a couple of the guys, and these two guys came
Speaker 1: in and again the aggressive New York is like can
Speaker 1: I help you? You know, I was like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: here to collect, to collect what you know, almost like
Speaker 1: saying who the are you? Like what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: And they said we're here to collect and it took
Speaker 1: me like maybe half a second to realize who they were.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you need to see the guys upstairs,
Speaker 1: and I knew who who they were. And then one
Speaker 1: afternoon with Nick. This is just one of the examples,
Speaker 1: UM I have him. You know, he had to like
Speaker 1: improve everybody, like I bring guys out, Okay, take your
Speaker 1: shirt off. And so we were downstairs in front of
Speaker 1: a lot of people and Nick stood there like this
Speaker 1: and he went delicious. Let's say, oh, you know that's
Speaker 1: just disgusting. Yeah, that is also Jay. I'm so sorry
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Speaker 1: what you could bring on an airplane. They were like,
Speaker 1: so we brought our guns and our heroine across the
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Speaker 1: we have to wrap for today. So we have a
Speaker 1: couple of things that we need to discuss very quickly,
Speaker 1: one of which is Anna Deelvie is being deported to Germany. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that was not as as important as what
Speaker 1: is coming next. UM, I am going to take a
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Speaker 1: can we also have you if you do happen to
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Speaker 1: And Teddy, we're gonna miss you so much. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a very sentimental person, but you did cry
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