1 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of Real Time Crime. 2 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm Leo Lamar with your new radio voice, and I 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: have with me my co host Teddy Melling Camp. I 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: can't even pause today because your new voice had me 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: so um shocked. It's like I talked to Chris Cuomo 6 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: one time, and uh, I've changed forever. And we've also 7 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: got with us of course our favorite sometimes Dmitri. Hello, 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: sometimes hello, how are you? You know? I'm good, except 9 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: for I was out until five am last night. Yeah, 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask. I figured that's where the voice 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: was coming from. It looks like you're still out. You're like, 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: why you're in a pitch black room, your backstage at 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: a nightclub like she's at the chipping Dale. We're going 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: to discuss. I can't understand what, Like it's daylight here, 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: you see, I mean sometimes throwing dollar bills around? Sorry, 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: what what are you doing? I feel like you have 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: a crystal ball in tarot cards in front of you. 18 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: What is happening? You guys are roasting the ship out 19 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: of me. They need to see the clip of I mean, 20 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: all I see of you is your face. Everything else 21 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: it's black. I'm at the I'm at the hotel. Almost 22 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: disclosed my location, but you know, bad, naughty Lea. I'm 23 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: at a hotel in Austin. I'm here for south By Southwest. 24 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: I've been doing two shows a night every night. Um, 25 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: very tired. But why was I out until five am? 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: You ask? I don't know. Does my ex live in Austin? 27 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: Maybe we know it's coming? What this is worse? We 28 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: had a very own conversation that included no sex. Was 29 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: just both of us crying, holding each other, telling each 30 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: other how much we meant to the other. First, I'm sorry, 31 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm I respected it when I thought it was just 32 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: south By south Sex, but now it's Yeah. I was 33 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: fine with just the tips, but hugging and crying over 34 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: missing one another, like did you guys break up? Originally? Um? 35 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: The truth is he's mentally ill in a way that 36 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: isn't funny. But wow, that sounds like a lot of fun. Well, 37 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: I hope you can go over and cuddle together again tonight. 38 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: I can't believe we were just told that Leah's X, 39 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: someone she used to date, is mentally ill and we 40 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: can't touch that and we have to just leave it. 41 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: Someone that's more mentally ill than me if you can imagine, Well, 42 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: was he the sole one crying and holding him at 43 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: for a him or were you doing the same. I'm 44 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: just gonna say he cried first. This isn't chipped for chat. 45 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: Men usually not for chat. And I need just send 46 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: me a text of what he looks like real quick. 47 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: I just need a full visual before we, you know, 48 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: we get into all the things. And also I'll just 49 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: say this, Um, I did another complete crime the other 50 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: day where I was at an event where I had 51 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: a show, and I told these two guys, I said, 52 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: I'll be right back, can you guys watch my bag? 53 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: And then they did, and then I was gone for 54 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: an hour and I just assumed they left. You know, 55 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: I was just like whatever, whatever, what was in it? 56 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: I mean, everything that I needed any This is extremely 57 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: unsettling to the one that has been derailed since you 58 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: lost her Fannie pack, the fact that you just just 59 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: willy nearly left your bag with somebody for an hour, 60 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: just free falling it without your bag on purpose. Yeah. Well, 61 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, someone came into the room that 62 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to and Mark Cuban and then 63 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, is he rich? Has a head shot 64 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: married check check check. Let me get over there. I 65 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: already emailed him. I was like, let's play pickle ball 66 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: next week. Um, teddy, you're welcome to joint. And UM, 67 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: I also just sent you a photo of my ex 68 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: by the way. Um. And then when I came back 69 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: to my bag, these guys we're like, are you insane? 70 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 1: Are you meant? Are you mental? You left your bag 71 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: with two strangers for an hour. This guy literally started 72 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: yelling at me. I was like, okay, Dad, I'm sorry. 73 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: You know, uh mind when you send me pictures of 74 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: your ex to not send them with his girlfriend after you, 75 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: because it confuses my my sight. She's actually the girlfriend 76 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: before me, and we do look very similar. Good, That's 77 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't sending it. Well. The other 78 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: thing about her x is he has a type. He 79 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: has a very obvious tife. Why does the excello crazy 80 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: as well? I honestly thought Leo was in these pictures. 81 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. You don't have that much time to 82 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: do hot topics, But there is one hot topic that 83 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: I really do want to talk about before we have on. J. D. Schwartz, 84 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: who is the producer of Chippendales and that incredible documentary. 85 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: But the hot topic I want to talk about is 86 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: what's going on with Jesse. Okay, great, Okay. So, after 87 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: Jesse Smaillett was sentenced a hundred and fifty days in 88 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: jail and thirty months of probation for staging a hate 89 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: crime against health, the former Empire star is at the 90 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: center of a free Jesse campaign, with fellow actors speaking out. 91 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: Alfrey ordered Samuel Jackson and his wife and more previously 92 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: asked Illinois Judge James B. Lynn asked to not sentenced 93 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: Smollett to prison time, and a letter written to the judge, 94 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: Jackson wrote that Smollett comes from a good family that 95 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: can provide the support and monitoring assistance that they can 96 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: provide for him in an alternative probation scenario. The pulp 97 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: fiction star continued, Jesse has already suffered a great deal 98 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: of punishment as this situation has destroyed his existing career 99 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: and impugned his reputation. Please, Judge Lynn, in God's name, 100 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: please save this young man and allow him to be 101 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: of service. Jesse Smollett is worth the risk and the investment. 102 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: Smollett was sentenced on March tenth after falsely alleging in 103 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen that he was attacked by two men 104 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: using racist and homophobic slurs. Jesse also opened he says 105 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: he is not suicidal, so if he ends up dead, 106 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: you guys know what happened. Um Tara g P. Hinson 107 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: later issued an Instagram statement condemning the sentence. I am 108 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: not here to debate you on the innocence, but can 109 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: we agree that the punishment does not fit the crime? 110 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: Henson wrote. Emmett Till was brutally beat and ultimately murdered 111 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: because of a lie, and none of the people involved 112 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: with his demives spent one day in jail, even after 113 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: Caroline Briant admitted that her claims were false. No one 114 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: was hurt or killed during Jesse's ordeal. He has already 115 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: lost everything everything, Hinson continued to me. As an artist 116 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: not able to create, that in itself is punishment enough. 117 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: He can't get a job, No one in Hollywood will 118 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: hire him again, and as an artist who loves to create, 119 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: that is prison. My prayers that he is freed and 120 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: put on house arrest and probation, because in this case 121 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: that would seem fair. Please free Jesse and then Gabrielle Union, 122 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: Leslie Jordan among others have liked this. What are y'all 123 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: thoughts on this? I thought that it would be a 124 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: lot more powerful if Samuel L. Jackson didn't write a 125 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: letter but used his voice m the Capital One commercial. Yeah, 126 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: here's here's the thing. The reason he doesn't have his 127 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: career is because of something that he did. So in 128 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: that respect, I don't think that's a good argument. But also, 129 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: and that same thing didn't didn't we find out that 130 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: he had to go into some sort of mental ward recently, Like, 131 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: isn't probably the reason he did what he did was 132 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: allegedly because of some sort of mental illness. Well then 133 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: he should be said, they should be sentenced into some 134 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: health care facility like that. But I don't think it's 135 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: a matter of oh, well, listen, he didn't, you know what, 136 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: he lost his career. That's good enough because technically he's 137 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: still denying it as well. So if he needs help, 138 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: acent let's get him help. But I don't think it's 139 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: just allright, well, he shouldn't have to serve anything because 140 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: he lied to police. He calls a bunch of resources 141 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: and time and the and all that you know to 142 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: be spent on this, so I don't think it's a 143 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: matter of just well, all right, come on, yeah. I 144 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: don't agree with the house arrest aspect of it. If 145 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: you do a crime, you do a crime. However, if 146 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: there is mental health involved, I do think that that 147 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: type of facility should be the alternative. I agree. And 148 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: if you do the crime, you do the time. I'm like, 149 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: you have to get it in every time. But speaking 150 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: of time, we have to take a little break because guests, 151 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: who's here? Oh my god, our guest. I just want 152 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: to really quickly say, Jesse, if you want to come 153 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: back to the art world, the stand up comedy community, 154 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: except literally everyone, So welcome back to the art world. 155 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: If you want to write some jokes while you're in prison, 156 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: come join us after all, right, back to you, all right, 157 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Yeah, okay, everyone. I am super 158 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: excited to introduce our guest for today. This is J. D. Schwartz. 159 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: He's a former producer of Chippendale's but now brings extensive 160 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: public relations experience and the professional zeal of an aggressive 161 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: New Yorker. So do I to his approach of doing publicity. 162 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: He has a collector roster of clients, but he is 163 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: best known for his personality representation UM and you know, 164 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: he originally achieved a lot of success in theater in 165 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: New York and he is here with us today to 166 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: talk about the secrets of the Chippendale's murders and also 167 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: just Chippendale's in general. So it's incredible. It's a four docuseries, 168 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: it's on A and E, it's on Monday nights, and 169 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: it unveils the shocking story behind the Chippendale's empire. And 170 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: a Chippendal's was a nightclub that aimed to allure and 171 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: please women with its scantily clad mail dancers and vivacious music, 172 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: and quickly advanced toward a pop culture phenomenon until it 173 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: came crashing down. Through exclusive interviews never before seeing crime 174 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: scene video and declassified FBI surveillance audio, the special unravels 175 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: the hidden tale of how sex, jealousy, arson, hefty bags 176 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: filled with cash, and mafia shakedowns all led up to 177 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: one of the most outrageous murders in American history. And 178 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's incredible. I just think that you need 179 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: to tune in a SAP a SAP, especially because you're 180 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, it's gonna be even more interesting 181 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: after getting a little more information behind the scenes and 182 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: especially what the club was all about before the murders. Hi, Ja, 183 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: how are you good? How are you so good? We're 184 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: really glad to have you here. Hi, thank you, thank 185 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: you for having me appreciate it just before we start. 186 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: So you know, you know, and I've been trying to 187 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: explain this, but the murders, that's what this documentary is about. 188 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: But that's not what Chippendales was about. The murders happened 189 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: after the huge success and the craziness and the phenomenon 190 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: of Chippendales. I opened and ran Chippendales in New York 191 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: in I did all the hiring, the firing, and the 192 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: guy was murdered. He was my boss. So I just 193 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: want to give you that background here. The phenomenal success 194 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: of the club. It was a cash business, so it 195 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: just boiled down to greed. You're taking money from me, 196 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: You're stealing from me. What do you mean, you're taking 197 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: the show on the road. You know. It all came 198 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: down to that. But that's all happened after the fact. 199 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: When we opened this club in New York. It was 200 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: the hottest thing in New York everybody. It was a 201 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: studio fifty four in US. Okay, So just a backtrack 202 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: a little bit, when you brought how were you brought 203 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: in originally to produce Chippendales and what exactly does that mean? Okay? 204 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: So I was working for a Broadway producer. We had 205 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: a big hit show on Broadway called Hurley Burley. Bill 206 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: heard Chris Walking, Suzie Kurds Synthonics and it was a 207 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: big deal. His fiance Barbara, who was also in the documentary, 208 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: she was a club promoter. The owner of Magic, which 209 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: was the club that Chippendales went into, called Barbara and said, Hey, 210 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: we're opening this club. You know we're going into it. 211 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: Not a club we're opening. We're bringing Chippendales to our club. 212 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: Would you come in and work to help us open 213 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: the club? Hurley Burley was a huge hit on Broadway. 214 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: So she said, well, I can't do it. I love 215 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: spend our assistant to go. And you know, I didn't 216 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: want to go because the entertainment business is where I was. 217 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: I was working on a Broadway producer's office. I went reluctantly, 218 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: and she said just go and then you'll come back, 219 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: you know, after the club is open. So I went 220 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: and I met with Nick, who was the guy who 221 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: got murdered, who, by the way, you have to tell me, 222 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: like how honest and and Frank I can be here 223 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: as possibly can be. We love it because he was 224 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: a dick. Nobody liked him, I mean and especially me. 225 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: He treated me horribly. Think of Harvey Weinstein and Scott Ruten. 226 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: That's who this guy was. He was just an ego, 227 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: an egomaniacal son of a bit. We called him Nick 228 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: the dick Um. He was one of Jennifer O'Neill's eight husbands. 229 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: He was in the closet and and the marquis in 230 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: front of the club said Magique presents Chippendales conceived, written, 231 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: produced and directed by Nick Denia. Because he wanted all 232 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: the credit for everything, and he just treated people very, 233 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: very poorly. So I went met him at a restaurant 234 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: on Broadway called Jrs. And we went, we had dinner, 235 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: and I said, okay, I would do this, not knowing 236 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: what really what this was. I had no idea what 237 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: chipping Dales was. I was twenty five years old. I 238 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: was out of college, you know, I was working in 239 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: a press office up for Broadway shows, and I really 240 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: didn't know what this was. But I was also in 241 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: a really good situation in the Broadway office I was 242 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: working in because I was hanging out. There's a restaurant 243 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: in New York City called Cafe Centro. So I was 244 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: hanging out every night with Chris wall In and Danny 245 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: Iello and Bruce Willis. And this is the New York 246 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: actors that came into this restaurant every night to hang out. 247 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: So I was a part of that. So I was 248 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: really very reluctant to give up sort of my entree 249 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: to go work in a club would like, who wanted 250 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: to go work in a club? Um? And so what 251 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: did it? Though? So what made you my? But so 252 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: my job was, um, I did all the hiring, I 253 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: did all the firing. I was in charge of anything 254 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: and everything that made this show happen, from when we 255 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: started that summer, you know, to them rebuilding the club, 256 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: two the rehearsals, to you know, models would come in 257 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: all the time, and and you know, to get jobs 258 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: you have to be six feet tall. You had to 259 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: take your shirt off, which was a very uncomfortable thing 260 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: for me. To say to another guy, take your shirt off. 261 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: But that was the job because you had to look 262 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, you have to be ripped. You have to 263 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: look at a certain way. Nowadays it's like, oh, take 264 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: your shirt off, you know I need to see or 265 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: even after I got into it, i was, oh, you know, 266 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: it's part of the job. It's like it's it's not 267 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: a big deal. In Hollywood nowadays, guys go to auditions 268 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: without their shirts to begin with, and the audition usually 269 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: happens in my bedroom. But to go back, even before 270 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: you started, So it started with Steve Banergy founding at 271 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: the beginning of the club, So the club. Steve Banergy 272 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: was an immigrant from India who came here with an 273 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: American dream. He bought He realized that discos were a 274 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: big deal in New York, so he figured it would 275 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: work its way out to l A. He bought this 276 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: old chess club if you can believe there were chess 277 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: clubs on Overland in you in West l A. And 278 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: he wanted to turn it into a disco. This guy 279 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: named you might have heard of him, Paul Snyder, who 280 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: was married to Dorothy Stratton, the movie star eight. He 281 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 1: was based on that came into the club and said, Steve, 282 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: what you need to do is make us a mile 283 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: Strip club, and you know, I'll help you here and 284 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: I'll be your MC. What Paul was kind of a 285 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: guy that like he was a wanna be you know, 286 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: like I'll be your m C. And he had no 287 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 1: clue on how to be an MC. He could barely 288 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, get you know. Um. But his kind to 289 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: fame was that he married Dorothy Stratton and then killed 290 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: her and then killed himself. Um. So after yeah, after 291 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 1: Steve fired Paul, he met Nick. Nick came into the 292 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: club and Nick said, oh, I could do this. I'll 293 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, a show out of this, you know Nick again, 294 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: So I told you he was in the closet one 295 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: of Jennifer and YO husband's right. Yes, was a Z 296 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: list director. He had a dear cut, you know, didn't 297 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: even my right. I'm not saying other people felt like 298 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: I failed, although I'm sure they did, But this is 299 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: how I felt of how he treated me. This is 300 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: my truth. So I don't have anything nice to say 301 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: about him. You know, it's terrible to say anybody deserves 302 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: to be murdered. M Well, I have a question, who 303 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: is it that negotiated the deal with Hugh Hefner that 304 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: Chippendales was allowed to have the custom collars. I don't know. 305 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: That was before me. I came in as there, you know, 306 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: I came into New York. All this other stuff I 307 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: knew about, but I wasn't there for it, like the 308 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: Napkin deal that Steve and and and Nick didn't. By 309 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: the way I was telling about Nick, he had a 310 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: production company, a children's production company, mind you, called Unicorn Tails, 311 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: and he won two Emmy's, but again way before me. 312 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: And then turns out that he's in the closet and he's, 313 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, heading up a mail strip, just saying he's 314 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: a busy guy. Take away from that which you choose 315 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: to we call we call that we range in the business. 316 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: He he he made it. So when he went into 317 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: he went to dinner with Steve and they were negotiating, 318 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: and I don't know what Nick had asked for, but 319 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: Steve had said no, and then Steve had said, Nick 320 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: had said, okay, well then I want all touring rights 321 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: in perpetuity. Steve didn't even know what the word perpetuity meant, um, 322 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, because obviously he wasn't from here. But he 323 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: he said, okay, fine, he wasn't worried about the you know, 324 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: a tour. It's like it's a club we're opening, you know, 325 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: like touring wasn't even a thing to think. He said, 326 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: I just got to get these chess pieces out of 327 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: here and the dancers in um. And so that's how 328 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: that's really what this came down to. Greed again. But 329 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 1: as you'll see as the story goes on, you know 330 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: he owns the club. Well, I created the club. You know, 331 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: it's my show. No, it's my show. And there was 332 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: cash being taken out of the club, at least in 333 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: the New York club. I mean, do you want me 334 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: to continue here or do you a new way? I mean, 335 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: we're we're loving hearing you, Chad, And I'd also love 336 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: to hear your about your relationship with Steep Energy. Yeah. 337 00:21:54,640 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, actually, wow, he really creat to me. 338 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: So okay, So where I am with this? What was 339 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: I just saying to you? Um, you were saying about 340 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: the about the right they agreed on the rights for 341 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: the traveling shown asking right wrote that off he did? 342 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: It was like not not a thing right, because he 343 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: didn't understand that Um, he did open the club. You know, 344 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: the club was open. He did come in. And the 345 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: good the one good thing that I will say about Nick. 346 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: He was a creative person, so I knew this from 347 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: New York since he was never going to be a 348 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: director on Broadway self. Admittedly, he knew that he wanted 349 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: to make this show his Broadway show. So we had 350 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: a box office. You could buy tickets to t t kts. 351 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: You had to make reservations. Um. We had a lighting designer, 352 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: We had a choreographer. We had costumes, albeit very slim costumes. 353 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: We had costumes. Um, and the last time there was 354 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: an act, there were five acts. We had backup dancers. Um. 355 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: We had a costume girl, you know, taking care of 356 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: things this show, like I had to. He found a 357 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: tailor because when I'd hire a guy, you know, you 358 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: had to get fitted for your black spandex pants. So 359 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: I needed a tailor. This is Do you ever see 360 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: the Shark Starsky and Hutch a huggy bear the shirt 361 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: open with the gold chains and the hat and the feathers, 362 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: and you thought he was a pimp. That was my 363 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: my tailor. His name was Jerry Man Desire. Is that 364 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: his real name this is. I called him Jerry and 365 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: that's what it said on his card. And mind you, 366 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm K five, I'm recently out of college. I'm working 367 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 1: in the workforce a little bit. I had no clue. 368 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: Even with the El Dorado parked in front of the 369 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: club with the girls inside, I had no clue. Seriously 370 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: went right over my head because I pick up the front. Jerry, 371 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 1: where are you? You need to be here. I need 372 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: you to measure the new guys that came in well, 373 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: and I saw in the first episode that these guys 374 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: would end up kissing What was it like over tip? 375 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: Kissing tip? You can't do that today, I mean, especially 376 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: in a pandemic, you can't today. Were they also actually 377 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: having sex with people? Yes? Yes, So New York Club 378 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: much bigger deal than the l A Club. They rebuilt 379 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: the club. There's a V I P Room upstairs. And 380 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: so here's how it went. Six o'clock doors open, all 381 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: the bridge and tunnel, you know, a bridge and tunnel 382 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: from New York Bay to all the bridge and tunnel. Uh. 383 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: People would come into the club. Um, I would have 384 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: to when I hire. You had to be six street 385 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: tall and you had to be wrecked that was the 386 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: requirement for me to hire. You are any of these 387 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: guys straight and single and still alive? Yes, well, yes, 388 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: still alive. But another misconception though all these years, everybody 389 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: thought that all of us who worked in the club 390 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: are gay, which is not the cast where we were 391 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: straight are straight. But were there gay guys in the club? Yes, 392 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: the backup dancers that we had, all but one we're gay, 393 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: A couple of our tenders, maybe a waiter here and there. 394 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: But my point of this is is we were a 395 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: brotherhood inside this club. It didn't matter like we were 396 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: living in this bubble and it was all happening like 397 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: around us. So we were all there together for when 398 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: it didn't matter who was gay, who was straight. This 399 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: it was before AIDS so sex. Yeah, so I'll explain 400 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: that to you now, Doors open sex. I understands it 401 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: pretty well. Um my parents keep meaning to have this 402 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: conversation if you could fill me in. Nobody ever had 403 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: that conversation with me ever to figure it out on 404 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: my own. Um, Um, doors would open it. So when 405 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: I hired these guys, I'd have to give out you know, handouts. 406 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: You know, this is the this Chippendales Chippendales is Disneyland 407 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: for ladies. You know, this is the rules of a host, 408 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: of a waiter. This is your job. So the idea was, 409 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: and again I give this credit to Nick, when a 410 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: woman walked into that club, it didn't matter what her 411 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: ethnicity was, what she looked like, how tall, how big, 412 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: house short, It didn't matter. When you start talking to 413 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: a woman, she's the only person and that you see 414 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: you treat her like she is a queen. She is 415 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: the one nobody else can get into this conversation. It's 416 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: just you and her. Is this any woman or any woman? 417 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: Any woman an additional No, any any woman. There was 418 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: no additional fee. This is what you were when you 419 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: walked into the club. Okay, so you start and an 420 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: alcohol started to be served at six o'clock. So you 421 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: have six hundred women with all these great looking guys, 422 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: and and did I guess I didn't send you any 423 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: pictures or I have a little sizzle reel too, because 424 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: I had, which I'll also tell you I wanted to 425 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: I sold this my story, not the murder story, my 426 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: story of what I'm about to tell you happened in 427 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: the club because I wanted to do a television show 428 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: based on this um. So the women would come in 429 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: and start drinking. Show starts at eight o'clock. You have 430 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: all these great looking guys in the club, you know, 431 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: just catering to all of these women. Show starts at eight. 432 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: Show happens. What the show is is different guys would 433 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: come out and do their act after, Like the first 434 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: act was the Unknown Flasher. The second act I think 435 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: was Cone in the Barbarian. We had a construction site. 436 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: And then the big the big act was the Perfect Man. 437 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: They were taking bits and pieces from all the guys 438 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: who worked in the club and like a mad scientists 439 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: was creating the perfect man. And then our perfect man 440 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: would come and there's a great looking dude named Michael 441 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: rath Um. And then the backup dancers would do so 442 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: after they would do their act, the lights would come up, 443 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: their music would start playing, and the hosts and waiters 444 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: would sit around the club. Because this was interactive. It 445 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: wasn't like a an oval stay, you know, an oval 446 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: dance floor, you know with the stage in the bath 447 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: and the waiters and hosts would you know, hold up five, 448 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: you know a fifty or five or ten a dollar 449 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: over the guy over the woman's head and the guys 450 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: would come over and kiss them. You know, it would 451 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: be like a ton selectomy that was going on. So 452 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: I also have a question. I know that like now 453 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: for customary strip clubs, women can attend even if it's 454 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: like could men attend? In addition, here was the thing. 455 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: Men were not allowed in Okay until it went to 456 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: the state looker board. Somebody made a complaint and they 457 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: were going to take the liquor license away. This is 458 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: right after we opened, and they, you know, said we'll 459 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: shut you down if you don't allow men in. So 460 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: they allowed men in to go and sit up in 461 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: the VIP room, which was above. It was in the 462 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: back of the club looking down over the club. Um, 463 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: and it was you know, two side a glass, so 464 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: like you couldn't see in, but they could see out. 465 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: So that took took care of of that. Um. But 466 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: remember now you have six hundred horny, drunk women in 467 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: this club. By ten o'clock. Ten o'clock, the club reverts 468 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: back to magic. The doors open and down the city block, 469 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: two ways down the city lock. You have lines of 470 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: guys coming in to get laid because easy easy going 471 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: on there. The women in the club when they wanted 472 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: to hook up with any of the guys in the 473 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: club during the show. Well, there are no men in 474 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: the club, so the men's room is available, isn't it. 475 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: Wow to the mendroom. And while you're in there, Jose, 476 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: who's the valet? And then I was also dealing club, 477 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: which there was a lot of coat going on and 478 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: it's a nice final touch. Yeah, and the customary mints 479 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: and gum and whatnot. I'm sure, yeah, but you know, 480 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: and I say that this was because it was so 481 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: you asked me, and I started, I didn't want to go. 482 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: Now I'm there, I'm the boss, I'm running this place. 483 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm twenty five years old. I have all these guys 484 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: working for me. There's women galore in this club. Everyone's 485 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: getting laid left and right, And why wouldn't I want 486 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: to be there? It was just a great place to be, 487 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: but it was a disney. It was a great place 488 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: to be until it wasn't a great place to be. 489 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: So when how many years was it successful? Like going 490 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: well things? Nobody was getting cyanide shots. You know that? 491 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: That again way after and that wasn't New York. That 492 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: was l a okay, Um, it was so we opened 493 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: October in New York. The money that was coming in 494 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: was so much by the guys coming in the club 495 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: and the women drinking. It was cash. The owners used 496 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: to take out cash in big hefty bags out the 497 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: side door and put them in the trunks of their 498 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: cars in the garage. So I tell you that just 499 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: to remind you that when we get to the murder part, it's, Oh, 500 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: it's all going to come back to the money here, 501 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: because there's no there's no accounting of how much did 502 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: well real like I had to do an audit. I 503 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: was called to testify for the l A Club, for 504 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: Steve Energy and for the New York Club, which is 505 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: where I worked with these guys. I was a witness 506 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: for both sides, which I still don't understand how that worked. 507 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: Um just really just really quickly at the club's peak, 508 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: how much money, if you had to guess, was actually 509 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: coming through every night? Oh, I don't know, I honest, 510 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: I don't even remember what it costs to get in. 511 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: I don't remember, But I do know that that place 512 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: was packed every night. I remember as a kid driving 513 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: through in my parents car, like we'd we'd be going 514 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: through the city, and we'd see danger Fields, and we'd 515 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: see Chippendale's and and the crowds outside both of them 516 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: were just outrageous. And and I remember thinking, oh, you 517 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: know what, when I grew up. It turns out at 518 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: that time I was only five eleven, so I went 519 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: in a comedy instead of stripping one more sometimes, Dmitri 520 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: and you could have really, yeah, well now I'm six ft, 521 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: but now I don't. I'm not ripped, so you know 522 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: what could have been? Um? So, so, yeah, so that's 523 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: what happened withinside this club. Um if you I left 524 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: in five and I moved out to l A and Jen, 525 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: did you work for the club out here? No? No, 526 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: I got back into publicity. M hmm, Okay, I'm sorry. 527 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: I just gonna ask a quick question. I feel like 528 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: there's something that everyone wants to know. And if you're 529 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: working at the most I mean, powerful, well known, well 530 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: attended strip club in New York or l A Chippendale's, right, 531 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: what is I'm sure you've seen and heard everything. Is 532 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: there any sort of night or moment that stood out 533 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: to you that was the wildest thing you've seen at 534 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: this club? And yeah, one night I heard in the 535 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: locker room. There was a bathroom in the locker room 536 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: and these two women. I think this had to be 537 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: like after the show, and these two women were there 538 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: and she said, I just got funned by this I 539 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: from Brooklyn. And the other woman said, well, I just 540 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: gave a blowjob to this guy from Queens and said 541 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: things like boughs. Yeah. Um. I remember us going to 542 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: the roof of the club, you know, during the summer, 543 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: and taking women up to the roof of the club 544 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: to have sex and perform all kinds of different acts. 545 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: And what I remember most about one of the most 546 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: memorable things about this is the Roosevelt Tram came right 547 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: over the club, so we would be looking up at 548 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: the people in the tram as the people in the 549 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: cham we're looking down at what it's going and what 550 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: we were doing. You know. I tell people like so 551 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: when I wanted to sell my this is a show. 552 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: This is a show, right. This is what made Shipping Dales. 553 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: The phenomenon is what happened inside the club. I termed 554 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: as breaking Bad meets mad Men, like the characters of 555 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: Men of mad Men and the craziness of Breaking Bad, 556 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: except you're not having meth is a backdrop, you've got sex, 557 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: drugs and rock and roll as the backdrop. You have 558 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: Chippendale strippers. Um, this was just a time. That was 559 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: the thing that I said, hire a writer, Hire your 560 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: best writer. Let him come up with all kinds of 561 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: stories of things that you think might have happened in 562 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: this club, and give me your best story. I'll beat 563 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: that tent. There's the truth is stranger than fiction here. 564 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: So even though at the beginning, when you guys were 565 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: all there and Nick and and Energy have the conversation, 566 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: they're not worried about towards you know, it's in the 567 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: back of his mind. Tours ultimately start to happen. Yeah, 568 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: so what what what had happened? They eight? Everybody was fighting. 569 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: As I said, nobody really along with Nick. So the 570 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: l a Uh, Steve didn't talk to him, The New 571 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: York people didn't talk to him, and it was me. 572 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: I was in the middle because they would only talk 573 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: to me, and then he would only talk to me 574 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: to deliver messages to them. It was really like childish 575 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: when Steven. When Nick wanted to come back to l 576 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: A like to take a couple of days to come home, 577 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: he had to have permission from the New York Club 578 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: to leave, so that he was still going to be 579 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: getting paid. I had to write those letters and get 580 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: them signed off on for his permission. But when he 581 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: wanted so he wanted out. He wanted to take the 582 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: tour clause the guys and do a tour and go 583 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,879 Speaker 1: out on the road. So I had a right letter. 584 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 1: I had a type individual letters because no computers back then, 585 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: and and send into all the hotels in Vegas and 586 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: Atlantic City. And I sent a letter to Showtime. Showtime 587 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: wasn't what showed Time is today. It was more of 588 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: a novelty, you know, for specials um and I still 589 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: have all of those letters that I wrote. And so 590 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: he wanted out. At that point, I had a big 591 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: blow up with Nick and so I left. In eighty five, 592 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: I moved here. Um So when he was murdered, I 593 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: got a call that night and I was actually at 594 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: a red carpet on a red carpet with my partner 595 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: at that time, Nancy Ryder, and with our client Michael J. Fox. 596 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: We had a big opening up at Universal Studios. There 597 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: was no city walk at the time. You know, you 598 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: could drive right up in front of the movie theaters, 599 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: and so I was there, I got home, I got 600 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: to call J Did you hear that Nick at killed? 601 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: And I like, the first thing out of my mouth 602 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: was wasn't me? And so nobody knew who it was. 603 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: But the point of that it wasn't me, it was 604 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: like it could have been any guys, you know, he 605 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: had enough enemy But did everyone kind of think it 606 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: was Steve energy behind it all? Really, no one really 607 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: thought that they thought it was the mafia hit or 608 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, because again I was here and I 609 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: was far away from that, but I never heard anything 610 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 1: about Steve. But when I found out it was Steve, 611 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: it all made sense to me. I understood because I 612 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: knew of the greed, I knew of the money. I 613 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: knew that Nick wanted to leave, and so how that happened? 614 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: So Steve put a hit out on Nick. He had 615 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: a guy go into his office in mid tom Manhattan, 616 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: walk up to Nick at four o'clock in the afternoon, 617 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: come right up to him, put a gun to his head, 618 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: and and kill him. So I have an ignorant question, 619 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: how do you just find someone to put a head 620 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: out on? He was evidently a bad guy, and he 621 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: knew people, okay, mind you had I known the day 622 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: that I was yelling at Steve on the phone saying, 623 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: this is the arrogant New Yorker I didn't get my 624 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: cod pieces back, the light up cod pieces right, and 625 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: the cups and college some of the well what's the 626 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: matter with you people in l A? Are you stupid? 627 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: Did the sun turn your brains to mush? Why haven't 628 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: I gotten this? Thinking back now, I probably shouldn't have 629 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: yelled at him because he could have been and yeah, 630 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: and yeah, the sun does turn our brains to most Yeah. 631 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: I think he was like, I can't kill him that 632 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,919 Speaker 1: of course, But again the Arrogan twenty five year old 633 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: New Yorker or I won't say Arrogan, I'll say a 634 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: rest uh New Yorker. But and Steve, he used to 635 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,439 Speaker 1: just show up at the club he was where he'd 636 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: wear a dark brown suit and sandals and he would 637 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: just show up in the club before the show would start, 638 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: um to check on his investment. But he would always 639 00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: take me to lunch or dinner with his wife and 640 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: chill drin. You know, he was a really nice guy 641 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: to me. I didn't know that he was a murderer. 642 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know that he had other clubs here at 643 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: the very beginning before New York set on fire, because 644 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: he didn't want uh competition, I mean with a dark 645 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: brown suit and sandals and probably figured something. And you 646 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: remember the big you were, you know, a tie, but 647 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 1: they were like the wide the white tie, so like 648 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,240 Speaker 1: the knot was really wide, you know, and the tide 649 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: was really you know, it was a wide tie also. 650 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: And then I read this article in the Sun that 651 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: he hired, you know, an assassin nicknamed Strawberry, and he 652 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: would have people go and inject these other dancers. I 653 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: think there's just that one. It was just that one. 654 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: It was just that one. So that story. So after 655 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: Nick was killed, nobody knows who did this, two of 656 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: the dancers from the l A Club wanted to leave 657 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 1: and go open and go do it and start a 658 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: tour in England. Steve found out about it. He hired 659 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 1: this guy and I don't know, you know, this was 660 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,280 Speaker 1: after I left, so this is all me hearing after 661 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: the fact. But he hired this guy to fill up 662 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: a vizine bottle full of cyanide so he can traveled 663 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 1: with it on the plane go to England, and he 664 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: was gonna supposed to go up to the guys and 665 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: they go, how are you, and you know, give him 666 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: a hug and and and stab him in the neck 667 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: with the you know, with sinaide, you know, like a 668 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaker 1: little bit needle um. But the guy that that Steve 669 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: hired was an FBI and forman, so Steve got caught. 670 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 1: He went to prison. While he's in prison, he makes 671 00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 1: a deal with the FEDS saying, I will admit to 672 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 1: having Nick Denoia killed, which was the first time anybody 673 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 1: knew that he was involved. It's probably except for the 674 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: people who actually did the murder um, but they weren't 675 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: even questioning him on that at that point. He and 676 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: my kids, you know, they can't lose the house and 677 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: they have to be protected. So they make the deal, 678 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: signed the deal in his prison cell or wherever they 679 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 1: in a room, and he goes back to his cell. 680 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: The next morning that he had to go and appear 681 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: in front of a judge to get sentenced. When they 682 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: went to his jail cell to get him, they found 683 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: him hanging in his jail cell. He committed suicide, and 684 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,879 Speaker 1: that was so that his family could keep the club. Right. Well, 685 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was keeping the club, but 686 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: like they wouldn't lose the house, they wouldn't lose the money. 687 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: You know, I've heard that, you know, Steve had put 688 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: money away in Swiss banks for for his family. But 689 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, right, because if you're not 690 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: sent in than nothing really changes. But the other thing 691 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: was I mean, it's all the kind of devastating. I mean, 692 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,399 Speaker 1: it seems like Steve Bannergy was a really twisted guy. 693 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: Successful but willing so competitive and willing to murder to 694 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: make sure that he, you know, didn't have any competition 695 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 1: and or anyone that gotten his way was not his 696 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 1: way anymore. But you know that seems almost like a 697 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: noble deed to make sure that your family is taken 698 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: care of. Yeah, in the end, yeah, he was. Look 699 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: he in my experience with him personally, he was very 700 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: attentive to his wife and kids. You know, like I said, 701 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: he was nice to me. But I think you have 702 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 1: to you learn very very quickly as you're in that bubble, right, 703 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: So he learned very quickly the the money game so 704 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: much so fast that now you have to be looking around, 705 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, who's stealing for me? What is this I 706 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: have to pay attention to this, this, this, and you 707 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: know when it came down to the Chip Nails calendars, 708 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: Steve is the person who hand picked each guy in 709 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: that calendar. And he refused to put anybody in the 710 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: New York Club in the calendar because he said they 711 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 1: he said they were ugly, you know they were, they 712 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 1: weren't as good looking as the guys in l A. 713 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: So he had his hand in every single thing that 714 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: went on. So you become paranoid, you you go to you, 715 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: I would assume you want to protect your interests. So 716 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 1: if he felt that Nick was stealing from him, which 717 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure he did by taking money out of his 718 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 1: pocket by taking on a touring show, what do you 719 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: mean touring show? What touring thing? Will you signed it 720 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: in perpetuity? What does perpetuity mean? You know, I didn't 721 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,800 Speaker 1: know anything about a tour because when he signed this 722 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: Napkin deal, there really was no There was no tour. 723 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 1: It was it was about it getting a club up 724 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: and running. Who was thinking tour? And Leah to your 725 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: point of him being like looking out for his family 726 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: and this and that he probably felt as he when 727 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,479 Speaker 1: people were stealing for him from him or he felt 728 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: that he probably felt like they were stealing from his 729 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 1: wife and his kids, and that was their money as well. 730 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 1: So I imagine that probably falls into the same, you know, 731 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,799 Speaker 1: defensive thing. And I just read something that his son 732 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: is now a stripper, yes, you know, which I'm sure 733 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 1: Steve were not have been happy about starting stripping Dales, Yes, stripping. 734 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: That's actually look the other the other thing I think 735 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,360 Speaker 1: of why Chippendale's was such a success. And again this 736 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: was Nick's thing because he'd say this all the time. 737 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,080 Speaker 1: The it wasn't back then it was you know, oh 738 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,840 Speaker 1: a strip club. You know, guys going to a sleazy 739 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,840 Speaker 1: bar and and you know, women take off all their clothes. 740 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: This wasn't like that. Nick wanted this to be more burlesque, 741 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: like Gypsy rose Lee, is what he would say, because 742 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,280 Speaker 1: there's more erotica in your imagination than an actually seen 743 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's the build up, it's the 744 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: build d what is it going to be? What is 745 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: it gonna be? Oh my god, it's more of that 746 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: rather than the afro just come and take your clothes. 747 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,800 Speaker 1: There's there's a show, there's a story around it. And 748 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,759 Speaker 1: I think that's what really made the club. You know, 749 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: it wasn't branded as sleeves, you know, it was it 750 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 1: was entertainment. It was a show. I remember you said, 751 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: he said Nick what he used to call Nick the Dick. 752 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 1: Now in the movie Back to the Party with Tom Hanks, 753 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: they went to a Chippendale's tead club and somebody was 754 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: just They said, is that Nick or Mr Dick? So 755 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 1: now I used to think I was just they went 756 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: with the rhyme. But now I wonder if that was 757 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:07,879 Speaker 1: an homage to your guy Nick. Maybe I can't if 758 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: I told you some of the things that he did 759 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: in that club. I mean, it's just you know, thinking 760 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: you can't say and talk to people like that today, 761 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: but back then you shouldn't talk to people like that, 762 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,080 Speaker 1: you know. Like I remember one one afternoon the two 763 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,359 Speaker 1: things I tell you the day that the Mafia came 764 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: into the club. I was downstairs, um and I'm talking 765 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,879 Speaker 1: a couple of the guys, and these two guys came 766 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 1: in and again the aggressive New York is like can 767 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: I help you? You know, I was like, yeah, we're 768 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: here to collect, to collect what you know, almost like 769 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,879 Speaker 1: saying who the are you? Like what are you doing here? 770 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,879 Speaker 1: And they said we're here to collect and it took 771 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: me like maybe half a second to realize who they were. 772 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you need to see the guys upstairs, 773 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 1: and I knew who who they were. And then one 774 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 1: afternoon with Nick. This is just one of the examples, 775 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 1: UM I have him. You know, he had to like 776 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 1: improve everybody, like I bring guys out, Okay, take your 777 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: shirt off. And so we were downstairs in front of 778 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,279 Speaker 1: a lot of people and Nick stood there like this 779 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: and he went delicious. Let's say, oh, you know that's 780 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,919 Speaker 1: just disgusting. Yeah, that is also Jay. I'm so sorry 781 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: we are running out, and I'm sorry I started this 782 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:45,280 Speaker 1: all on no notes and I apologize. Please tell everybody 783 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: where they can find more information about you on this story, 784 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 1: because I know that we don't want this to be 785 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 1: over and everyone's gonna want more. All my social Facebook, 786 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter are at j A Y D A 787 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,440 Speaker 1: S C H W A R t Z J D 788 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 1: Schwartz and that's where we're posting and and and you'll 789 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,400 Speaker 1: see awesome pictures and whatnot. And I'll see if I 790 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 1: can just send you some stuff for you to look 791 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,880 Speaker 1: at that you might find amusing. Oh yeah, please do 792 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,759 Speaker 1: and would love that. And congratulations on the show, if 793 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, congratulations is the appropriate word. And then also 794 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: we hope that your personal show gets picked up. Thank 795 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: you very very much, and the show as Monday nights 796 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: on Annie, Monday Nights and Annie, We've already watched all 797 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: four episodes and I'll just I'll just tell you the audience, 798 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,759 Speaker 1: you must watch this. This is a must see. Every 799 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:51,280 Speaker 1: minute is exciting, excruciating, wild Thank you, well, thank you guys. 800 00:50:51,360 --> 00:51:07,320 Speaker 1: Have a good one by day. Thank you. Yeah, that 801 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,880 Speaker 1: was incredible, so good. I love was like can I 802 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:16,360 Speaker 1: be direct, Like, oh my god, so you guys have 803 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,840 Speaker 1: to make sure that you tune in two Secrets of 804 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: the Chippendale Murders. So good, Annie. I think the thing 805 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: that was most eye opening from that documentary was seeing 806 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: what you could bring on an airplane. They were like, 807 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,880 Speaker 1: so we brought our guns and our heroine across the 808 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:42,080 Speaker 1: country and like what It's so good. But I know 809 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: we have to wrap for today. So we have a 810 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 1: couple of things that we need to discuss very quickly, 811 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,919 Speaker 1: one of which is Anna Deelvie is being deported to Germany. Yeah, 812 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,360 Speaker 1: you know that was not as as important as what 813 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: is coming next. UM, I am going to take a 814 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,360 Speaker 1: quote out of out of our last guests. Can I 815 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:08,280 Speaker 1: be direct as possible? Please? Teddy, please be direct. Today 816 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 1: is my last day co hosting on Real Time Crime. 817 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: I am so sorry, you guys. I love Leah and 818 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 1: sometimes Dmitri and all of you guys sometimes or love 819 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 1: sometimes to make where's the comma father? Um? It depends 820 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 1: on the day. UM. I Originally when I signed up 821 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,760 Speaker 1: with you guys, I had more time to be perfectly honest, 822 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 1: and I thought that I could manage it all. And 823 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: it's just gotten to a place where I'm doing so 824 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,239 Speaker 1: many different podcasts for two teas in a pod, and 825 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,160 Speaker 1: then there's this in my family and my actual business, 826 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: and I just feel like I can't dedicate the amount 827 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: to crime that I want to. So from here on out, 828 00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be me tuning in listening for 829 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,080 Speaker 1: these updates to get all of the crombs, because you 830 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: guys are incredible. I can't wait to hear the upcoming 831 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 1: episodes and thank you for letting me be a part 832 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,120 Speaker 1: of it for this portion. And if there's ever like 833 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 1: a really super juicy case that you know, that i'd 834 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,880 Speaker 1: be obsessed with you know where to find me? And 835 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: can we also have you if you do happen to 836 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,399 Speaker 1: commit a crime? Can we have the exclusive? Yes we can, 837 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: would you know what? Let's hope I don't, but we 838 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,480 Speaker 1: can't make any Well, this is a crime Teddy leaving 839 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 1: the podcast, so we do have the exclusive on it. 840 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:42,080 Speaker 1: And Teddy, we're gonna miss you so much. Um. You know, 841 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm not a very sentimental person, but you did cry 842 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 1: last night, so you could cry again. If she's probably 843 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,360 Speaker 1: tapped out handed. Um, yeah, I'm all cried out, but 844 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 1: I um, I. We love you so much and we're 845 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,160 Speaker 1: so grateful that you were able to join us for 846 00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: the first leg of this journey. And you know that 847 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,879 Speaker 1: if there is any sort of crime related to the Housewives, 848 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 1: you're coming on immediately. We're so proud of you, and 849 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,800 Speaker 1: we're so excited about two teas and how successful the 850 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,960 Speaker 1: show has gotten. And we'll miss you very much. Thank 851 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 1: you so much, and uh, I can't wait to hear 852 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 1: all of the other upcoming crams coming out. And you're 853 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,719 Speaker 1: comedy and you guys, I know, well we'll talk off here, 854 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: but we'll talk. I love all of you guys, thank 855 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,000 Speaker 1: you so much and do your song. We and we 856 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,840 Speaker 1: need one well. And I just want to let the 857 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,439 Speaker 1: listeners know we're going to have a bunch of very 858 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,600 Speaker 1: interesting and special guests lined up. No one will be 859 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,520 Speaker 1: able to fill teddy shoes obviously, sorry to everyone that 860 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: now knows that information that comes on the podcast, but 861 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 1: but we will. We will have a lot of really 862 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,520 Speaker 1: interesting crime experts, other crime podcast hosts that you probably 863 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,480 Speaker 1: know and love if you're true crime obsessed, other very 864 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,880 Speaker 1: well known comedians coming on here, and special guests. I 865 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,840 Speaker 1: have a friend who's in the n f T community, 866 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,120 Speaker 1: who's in ann who's coming on. So that's gonna be 867 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:09,440 Speaker 1: super exciting. So stay tuned because while Teddy is leaving us, 868 00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:14,000 Speaker 1: the podcast is not dead, okay um. And if you 869 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: want to leave us a voicemail, you know, just me 870 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 1: and sometimes and then and then sometimes sometimes Teddy. You 871 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,600 Speaker 1: never know, you just never know. Make sure to call in. Yeah, 872 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,480 Speaker 1: eight six six twenty one crime. That's eight six six 873 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,399 Speaker 1: twenty one crime eight six six to any one time. 874 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,160 Speaker 1: It's eight six six two and two seven four six 875 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,000 Speaker 1: three And you can find me at Leo Lamar l 876 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: A E A H. L. A M A R R 877 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,080 Speaker 1: on All Things on the Internet, TikTok five hours, don't 878 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,200 Speaker 1: ask why, And if you want to find out show 879 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 1: dates Leo Lamar dot com or my Instagram. And Teddy, 880 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,640 Speaker 1: where can we find you on the Internet? You can 881 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,840 Speaker 1: find me at Teddy Melling camp or on two Teas 882 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,439 Speaker 1: and a Pod or all in by Teddy. I wonder 883 00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,840 Speaker 1: if sometimes sometimes Teddy is available on sometimes sometimes Toady 884 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,800 Speaker 1: it's going to work it out, and sometimes Dmitri is 885 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,480 Speaker 1: still not sometimes Dmitri on Instagram, So don't bother following 886 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,319 Speaker 1: him right, just as Dmitri pappis his name. All right, 887 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,800 Speaker 1: We love you guys, Stay safe, don't commit any crimes. 888 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: See you next week. It's real time crop it real 889 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,719 Speaker 1: time grop mean, is it actually real time crime? I'm 890 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,719 Speaker 1: solving anything or is that just the thing we say? 891 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,040 Speaker 1: It's a thing, we say, got it? Okay, See you 892 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,800 Speaker 1: next week for more real time crime, only on I 893 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:32,680 Speaker 1: horor radio.