1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever, an I Heart 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: am Chris Harrison, coming to you from the stormy Home 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: office in Austin, Texas today. But what will brighten my 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: day is my guest today, you know and lover from 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Orange County. Hopefully you listen to 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: her amazing podcast, Intimate Knowledge. Also right here in the 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio family, Megan King is in the house today. Megan, 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me. I'm excited to 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: talk to you again. I know it's been a while. 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: I was trying to think the last time we did talk, 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: because I know we did, and yeah, it was in Vegas? 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: Is that what it was? At an iHeart Radio thing? Okay? 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: At the jingle Ball Wait was it no Heart Radio? Okay? 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: Because I know I knew that. We hung out a while, 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: because we dove into some things and it really piqued 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: my interest, which is why when I started doing this, 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: I said, if there's somebody I need to talk relationships with, 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's good or bad. It is 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: Megan King. Um. And we had a great time and 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: I forget what you were doing on that trip. Okay, 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: so Chris, that was the time. Remember I was on 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: a date with Mike Johnson and I was set up 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: by by the My iHeart production crew, our iHeart production crew, 25 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: and um, so Mike and I were faking this date 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: to see what the press would do and then talking 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: about it on my podcast Intimate Knowledge. So here let 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: me let me, let me paint the picture for everybody. 29 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: Megan um gorgeous, tall, beautiful, blonde woman. Mike Johnson gorgeous, beautiful, 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: tall man, built like a brick, you know, outhouse. So 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: we're at the bar beforehand, having kind of pre drinks, 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: no fans, know nothing, and I see you, give you 33 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 1: a hug. I see Mike, and we had been talking 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: and hanging out, give him a hug. And then I 35 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: start buying drinks for everybody, and you guys kind of 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: just go to the end of the bar and I'm like, huh, 37 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: that's a weird vibe, like did I say something? Do 38 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: I smell? And then I noticed the body language immediately 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: you guys turned towards each other. It's very intimate, and 40 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I asked, somebody, is that a date? 41 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: Is that? What is there something happening here, and then 42 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: I learned later what y'all were doing. Now my question 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: here is that seemed like you guys are putting on 44 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: an act. But later it then seemed like it got serious, 45 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: did it? Or was that all? Yeah? I mean, I 46 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: don't know if I would go with serious, but I 47 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: think it turned. It definitely turned into a legitimate date. Yeah. 48 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean at some point I saw y'all making out 49 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: pretty heavily. That'll do it. That's that's a dead giveaway. Rights. 50 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: So that is our our segue into life and relationships. 51 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: First of all, you're in. You're in Saint Louis, Yes, 52 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: Saint Louis, Masouri. How long you've been living in St? Louis? 53 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: My whole life? Really? I mean I was in when 54 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: I shot with the Real Housewives of Orange County, I 55 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: lived in Newport Beach, but I was always living in 56 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: Saint Louis at the same as well, So I was 57 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: back and forth. Okay, so it was the Real Housewives 58 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: of Saint Louis, let's be honest. Yeah right, I mean, 59 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: you know Andy Cohen, the producer, the executive producers from 60 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: Saint Louis. I didn't know that, Yeah, yeah, and and 61 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: and I think because of that, he said, I'm never 62 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: going to have a Saint Louis Real Housewives, but like, 63 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would. Andy Cohen, Meghan King, 64 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: and Joe Buck. Yeah, he's a friend of mine. Yeah, 65 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: I love Joe. Why So you have been so open 66 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: and honest about your relationships. Yeah, which I very much appreciate. 67 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: It's not an easy thing to do because it's it's 68 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: not been the best for you. No, I've been through 69 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: some rocky roads with that, and I don't know if 70 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: sharing it has been the best or not, but it 71 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: is what it is. You've been married three times. I've 72 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: had three weddings. Okay, is it one? Didn't take one? 73 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: Did it take one? Did it take one? Was an 74 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: old so I'm saying so I like to say I was. 75 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: I had three weddings, but two marriages. Let's say two 76 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: and a half. You've been married two and a half times. Okay, well, 77 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: stay tune house. It was just the tip, right, it 78 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: doesn't count. No, we're just just playing just the tip. Now, 79 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: which one was the annulment and the most recent one 80 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: with Cuff Biden Owens is his name, Cuff Biden Owens. Yeah, 81 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: that was a hot minute that lasted I think two months. 82 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: It was just a silly decision that I made to 83 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: enter into that marriage. But oh well, it's a non 84 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: marriage because there was an annulment, so enter into the wedding. 85 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: If we had been friends, what would you have told me? 86 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: I would have told you, Hey, Megan, how are you 87 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: doing good? Who are you dating? Cuff Biden Owens? I 88 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: would have said, right there, full stop. And this has 89 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the Biden thing. Just anybody with 90 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: that with the name Cuff Biden when they go by 91 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: three names and it looks like they just fell out 92 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: of a vineyard, vine store in the Hampton's run. Just 93 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: you know what, you know what? Three names? I always 94 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: associate three names with serial killer, with assassins, yes, of course, yeah, always, yeah. 95 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: That should have been the first red flag, of course. 96 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: And by the way, we're not saying he was a 97 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: serial killer or an assassin allegedly. We'll see on the 98 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: next sixty minutes if that's true. It is the Biden 99 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: of it, although which is very relevant now obviously his 100 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: uncle is uncle the president of the United States. Correct, 101 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: how long ago was the wedding? Um? It was October 102 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, so over a year ago. Okay, so yeah, 103 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: so he was actively and he was president. Yeah, I know, 104 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: it was wild. Oh my gosh, Christmas was the president 105 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: at your He was at your wedding. Yes, he was 106 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: at my thirty person wedding. There's more secret service at 107 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: that damn house than there was a wedding attendees. Actually, 108 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: you know what secret. I was waiting on a pair 109 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: of shoes because the whole thing lasts, you know, happens 110 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: so quickly, the whole wedding and everything. I was waiting 111 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: on a pair of shoes to arrive. I wanted to 112 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: wear these white manolas. They were so cute, and they're 113 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: supposed to arrive the day of the wedding. Well then 114 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: I get there and every street is shut down, right 115 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: because the president is in terms. So I'm like, oh 116 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: my gosh, great, Well at the wedding happened and everything. 117 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: But then I guess the FedEx truck tried to get 118 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: down the street to deliver my shoes, but they wouldn't 119 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: you know, they couldn't get down the street. So they 120 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: it was my name was on the box, Megan King, 121 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: and they knew that I was the bride, So the 122 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: Secret Service took the box from fed X and hand 123 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: delivered it to me in the house. This like a 124 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: sweet Home Alabama moment when the lawyer was trying to 125 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: get to read. Oh my gosh, you're exactly right. Yeah, 126 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: I had that was me. I was re So what 127 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: was your experience with the I know with Kuff wasn't good, 128 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: But with the President, what was your interaction? Um? Was 129 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: he lucid? You know, could you have a conversation? I didn't. Yeah. 130 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: I first met him at the White House, which was 131 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: really surreal, and um like whether or not you liked 132 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: the president. To meet an active president at the White 133 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: House is something else. That's a that's a nun in 134 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: a lifetime experience. No one gets that. No, And I 135 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: got to, you know, walk through the road garden and 136 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: through the West Wing and to the Oval Office and 137 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: he like talked to me in the Oval Office. I mean, 138 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: that's that was a really cool thing to experience, and 139 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: then gave me some chocolate chip cookies in a hug 140 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: when I left, and then Fulty on my cell phone 141 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: to thank me for coming. No way, really, Yeah, he 142 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: seemed just like a family guy. I didn't. My experience 143 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: with him and with the Bidens in general was just 144 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: that they're m a close knit family. Yeah. Yeah, chocolate 145 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: chip cookies. How are the White House chocolate chip cookies? 146 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: They were good, They were really good. I would think 147 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: they would be spectacularly. I just feel like everything there 148 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: would probably be the best, Like know, right, they've taken 149 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: the best like chef and they're like, okay, we have 150 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: the greatest chocolate chip cookie recipe that goes back to 151 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. Right, Seriously, I mean, I don't know. I 152 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: think the thing that that I was most surprised about 153 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: when I was at the in the White House was 154 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: how stripped down everything is. It's not very fancy. I 155 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: mean the White House could use a little work, honestly. 156 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: That could use a remodel, really could. Yeah, we need 157 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: to get Chip and Joanna Gaines in there and really 158 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: do a refurb on that. Talk about a reality show 159 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: I would watch that I took. I was honored enough 160 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: to take a tour with my with my son of 161 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: the West Wing. The president was not there at the time. 162 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: It was Obama and he was not there. But yeah, 163 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: you're right, it is everything smaller. Everything is not pretty. 164 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: I mean, the art is spectacular, but we didn't get 165 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: to go in the oval office. We just got to 166 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: stand in the doorway and look into it, which was 167 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: just unbelievable and I had goose bumps. But you're right, 168 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: everything is just so small and kind of small. Yeah, exactly, 169 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: it's small, and Jankie, there's nothing special about it except 170 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: that it's the White House and you are the leader 171 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: of the free world. Can we not have something more 172 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: palatial and more spectacular than that? You know. I kind 173 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: of like it though, because it's relatable. So I kind 174 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: of like that part of it. And now I'm like, 175 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: I wonder what the like Buckingham Palace looks like here 176 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: they really need a remodel. Yeah, I just think of 177 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: like people, old people rattling around and there with cobwebs, 178 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: and but I like what you had to say. And 179 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into politics, but one thing 180 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: I just love that you said. I feel the same 181 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: way whoever the president is when they're sitting in that office, 182 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: when they hold that title, when they hold that office, 183 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: that is your that's the president. And when you go 184 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: to the White House, I don't care who it is. 185 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: I would call you, mister president. Whether it's Joe Biden, Obama, 186 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter to me. I appreciated that about what 187 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: you just said. It's like you're sitting with the president, yes, 188 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: of the United States. That's a thing. I mean, look like, 189 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: I know, I think this is what I'm gonna say 190 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: isn't political. But we're founded on democracy as a country, 191 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: and therefore, because of that, we have we have a 192 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: what am I trying to say, an obligation to respect 193 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: our president. Like it doesn't matter if you like our 194 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: president or not, whoever it may be, but if that 195 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: something happens to the president, that's like, I mean, we're 196 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: just like, you know, ready for somebody to come in 197 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: and like take over. That's not good. It's a responsibility. 198 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: Is a responsibility we all have. So I asked him 199 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: do you like being president? And he said to me, well, 200 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't really know how to answer that question, and like, 201 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: think about it. I mean, that's an intense job. Who 202 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: would want that job? Would you want that job? No? 203 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: And what kind of person wants that? I wouldn't wish 204 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: that on my greatest enemy. I feel like any person 205 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: who's the president has to be like a raging narcissist, 206 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: because hey, you're constantly all, Hey, guys, I think I 207 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: can run the free world. I think I got this. 208 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: I think I have what it takes. I'm smart enough, 209 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: I'm profound enough, i am charismatic enough. Guys, I got this. 210 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: Like I can run like the most famous person in 211 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: the world. To be the most famous person in the world, 212 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: that's like, you lose all freedoms. The only thing I 213 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: think would be worse would be Joe Biden's press secretary 214 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: trying to make sense of some of the things he says. 215 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: God bless her. I just feel horrible for her. But anyway, 216 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure she's doing just fine. I'm sure she's fine. 217 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: Let's get out of the White House. Because before before 218 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: I love where he's went on, this weird tangent about 219 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: every um cuff Biden owens. Before cuff um, there was Jim, 220 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: Oh right him? Yes, how could we forget Jim? And 221 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: it's someone I think we shadow something we probably want 222 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: to forget. Yeah, I wish, I mean that would be 223 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: that would be a dream come true. But unfortunately he 224 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: exists in my life and every way, every day. It 225 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: was a because you guys have kids together, right, three, 226 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: three kids together, and Lauren and I my fiance, we 227 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: were talking about this about my ex moved in close 228 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: to me and because in Austin in No, this is 229 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: back when we were in la Now the kids are 230 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: in college and we've gone our separate ways. But when 231 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: you have kids, you know that is it. When you 232 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: break up and you don't have kids. Jim could live 233 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: in China, you could live in Australia, they'll never see 234 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: each other, doesn't matter. But when you have kids, there 235 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: is a connection and there are things you have to do. 236 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: There is soccer, there's cub Scouts, girl Scouts, what have you. 237 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: And it's just life is complicated because it constantly crosses over. 238 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: So is that part of the issue with you guys? 239 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: Is your lives? Or you would think that would be 240 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: part of the issue, because that's a normal issue that 241 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: families who split up have to deal with, you know, 242 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: cub Scouts and camps and you know recitals or lessons 243 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: or whatever there is. However, I don't have to deal 244 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: with that with him because he doesn't go to anything. 245 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: So I do all of it, which is a different 246 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: sort of burden because I'm like, hello, can I have 247 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: a sounding board. Can I have a co parent to say, hey, 248 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: do you think we should sign Aspin up for cooking 249 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: class or for dance class? You know what I mean? 250 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: Like she likes both? What are the pros and cons? 251 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: I mean it sounds silly, but you know there's a 252 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: million decisions like that every day with the kids. Or heyes, 253 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: should I get Hayes's tooth bold or not? You know, 254 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: my son had his toothbolt yesterday. He's four, and so yeah, no, 255 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: I do all of those decisions completely solo. So what 256 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: his what their father does? What Jim does is um 257 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: take the kids a few days a month. It's like 258 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: a babysitter. Does he still live in California? Lives Yeah, 259 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: three miles from my house, so I'll do live close 260 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: to each other. But it just doesn't foster that kind 261 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: of relationship. I know. I don't know why. I don't 262 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: know if he's tired. He has seven kids. Mine are 263 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: the last three, okay, and he's on his fourth wife, 264 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: so he's probably like really putting, trying hard to make 265 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: that one last or something. I don't know. He's remarried, 266 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: he's been married, yeah to wife now, that which is 267 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: like I can't give him that much for that, because 268 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: if I get remarried, I'll be on one husband number four, 269 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: you'll be in embarrassed beyond two and three quarters. Yeah, well, 270 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: I don't want to get married again. I just want 271 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: a big honk and ring on my finger. I can 272 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: handle the rest, but like, I'm still a princess at heart, 273 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: So give me a rock. Do you think you just 274 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: said that would be embarrassing? Would it? Really? Would you 275 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: be embarrassing to me just to get married again and 276 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: be like, this is my fourth But what if it's 277 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: the right thing? Ears, I would still do it. I 278 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: don't think it would like hold me back. The embarrassment 279 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't hold me back. But yeah, it's embarrassing. Marriage is 280 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: supposed to last a lifetime. I mean you know this 281 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: more than anybody. But does it not always? But number 282 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: two three rarely? I know? But so I don't feel 283 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: bad about being married two times but being married four times? Yeah, 284 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: it's it's an embarrassing that's the quote right there. Yeah, yes, 285 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's nothing we dreamt of as kids, right 286 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: when you when you have this fairy tale that we're 287 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: presented with by Disney and everybody else, as we're growing up. 288 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: It's not four weddings. But you know who gives me 289 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: hope is Pam Anderson because she's been married eight hundred 290 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: times as well, and she's just full of love and 291 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: she's resilient and like I saw her documentary and I 292 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: really enjoyed it because she just owns who she is. 293 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: She's like, wait, like I like to love. I love 294 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: big and I commit big, but you know, everybody's going 295 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: to be themselves. And I like that because I think 296 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: it changes perspective on a time the time honored tradition 297 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: of marriage and allows us to just live authentically instead 298 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: of being stuck in an institution that isn't for us well, 299 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I get the feeling. And 300 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: I don't know you that well, but I feel like 301 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: you are unabashedly that type of person, like I'm just 302 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: gonna love and live and what have you. But it 303 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: sounds like there is a side of you that's a 304 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: little self conscious about these last three didn't work out 305 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: and if I do it again now, I'm you know, 306 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm working into the Liz Taylor world of seven marriages 307 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: or whatever she was on right, and it's like, I 308 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: don't want that scorecard. No, I don't, and I think 309 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: that's like my cultural conditioning, trying to get the best 310 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: of like me living authentically, which i'm you know, they 311 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: are often at odds and I don't think I'm alone 312 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: in that. But it's now I'm in a place where 313 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: I can reflect back on, well, why was I married 314 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: three times? What kind of void was I trying to fill? 315 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: And I can see the evolution of myself to where 316 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: I am now and why I made the decisions that 317 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: I made with each marriage. And that reflection has been 318 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: very helpful and has given me a lot of confidence 319 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: today to really love myself and embrace myself, even for 320 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: all of the flaws. And it looks it's a work 321 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: in progress. I'm not perfect every day, but I think 322 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm putting less emphasis on having a whole filled by 323 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: a partner and trying to fill that hole on my own. 324 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: Do you find that when you're in these relationships you 325 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: go to places and you do things that you're not 326 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: comfortable with, that that's not the person I wanted to be. 327 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: I think that I have have a tendency to wrap 328 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: my personality around my partner, so I could sort of 329 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: evolve into who they are, or like merge my personality 330 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: into theirs, and it might not be fully who I am, 331 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: but it's fully like what I'm interested in trying out 332 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 1: at the time. But now I'm less. I'm less about that. 333 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: I feel like very fulfilled with and and very confident 334 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: in what I like to do and like the activities 335 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: or hobbies or whatever that I like to do so 336 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: that I don't become the other person I'm dating. And 337 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: I think that's an issue for a lot of people too. 338 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: Is that where you're asking, Yeah, kind of I was. 339 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: I was just curious, if you what it is if 340 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: you see a pattern in these things. It seems like 341 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 1: you fall fast. I do you fall fast? Like you 342 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: go from hey, this is great, good first date? Like 343 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: I love you? And I think that's why, Um, that's 344 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: like love bombing, and I do it like I guess 345 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: I do love bomb because I do that. But that's 346 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: also a huge red flag for a narcissist. So I 347 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: was like fresh bait, like prime, I was totally primed 348 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: for a narcissist. Feeling right into somebody's ego. Oh. Absolutely. 349 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: Now if somebody says that to me, I'm like, oh, 350 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: I run the other way. But I've been burned, you know, 351 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: like I've had three failed marriages, and to have a 352 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: failed marriage with children, that's not just failing me, it's 353 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: failing my children too. So that was a I felt 354 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: a lot of guilt around that. Well let me just 355 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: take pause there and say, a divorce doesn't mean you're 356 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: failing your kids. I mean, Chris, five weeks, what's that 357 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: you married Cuff after five weeks? Yes? I married him 358 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: after knowing five weeks, Like, I, okay, want to get married. 359 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: I didn't even want to get married, So I think 360 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: that's kind of what you're asking too. Yes, I did 361 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: something that I was uncomfortable with doing because it meant 362 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: something to my part. How did he get there? Then? 363 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: How did in five weeks with your kids knowing what's 364 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: on the line, how did you get there? With Cuff 365 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: biden Owens, He was like he really wanted to be 366 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: a stepdad instead of just hit like my kid's mom's boyfriend. 367 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: And that really pulled up my heart strings because I 368 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: was a stepmother to Jim's four kids, and I was 369 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: very devoted to my stepchildren, and so I wanted I 370 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: understood that desire to you know, be fully integrated as 371 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: a family instead of just being a boyfriend. Although I 372 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: didn't see it that way, I could understand how he would. 373 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: But that's the problem is you were worried about how 374 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: he saw it and how he wanted. You weren't worried 375 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: about is this good for my kids? Is it good 376 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: for me? I thought it was good for my kids 377 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, somebody wants to be a 378 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: father figure for them, like in my home. I thought 379 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: that was healthy. And he was like he came from 380 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: a solid family that I really enjoyed, and I, um, 381 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: they're Irish Catholic family, big Irish Catholic family. I come 382 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: from a big Irish Catholic family. Our family seemed very similar. 383 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, our upbringings are the same. 384 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: And nobody raised nobody raised issues about hey, five weeks 385 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: these guys get married. I mean, did anyone one framed it? Okay? 386 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay. And I'm like, and I'm like, you like, 387 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: once I've made up my mind, I'm like, nobody could 388 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: change my decision, right, yeah, so if I mean, people 389 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,479 Speaker 1: did take pause with it, my close friends, but I 390 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: was like, this is what I'm doing. Whatever I didn't care, 391 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: Like I didn't really care about the guest list. I 392 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: texted my friends a couple of them to come. I don't. 393 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not doing anything. I don't even 394 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: want to get married. Huh. Well, I think I think 395 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: that is the lesson of One of the many takeaways 396 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 1: is if you're saying to yourself, I don't really care 397 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: if I get married or want to get married, don't 398 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: show up to your next wedding and don't get married, 399 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: and don't get married, and definitely not after five weeks, 400 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: I think you should so how quickly? Well, first of all, 401 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: are you single? Now? Ah, that's a good question. So 402 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm kind of um, I've seen just that. Yeah, we're more. 403 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: We're like soaking okay. So he and I have been 404 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: on and off for about three years and we've remained 405 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: friends and we've dated. Now I guess this is the 406 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: third time, like the third go. We're kind of giving it, 407 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: but we're both burned, Like we've both been through enough 408 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: stuff that we're like, wait a minute, we need space. 409 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: So he's he's not based in Saint Louis, so we 410 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: have a lot of space, which is really nice that 411 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: I don't have to see. We don't see each other 412 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: all the time. We don't even talk every day, and 413 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: it's very slow. It's a slow build, and he doesn't 414 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: have kids. What makes you think after three goes that 415 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: now this might work. I kind of always thought it 416 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: would work, like with the with the second one, I 417 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: thought it would. There was a real chance for it 418 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: to work. But our lifestyles just weren't aligned and they 419 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: still aren't. And I'm trying to figure out and I 420 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: think he has too. If um, that's okay, Like if 421 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: we can have separate lifestyles apart from each other, and 422 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: then when they merge up they do. I don't know. 423 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: It's definitely a modern relationship. And we don't call each 424 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: other boyfriend girlfriend. I don't know. We're in a situation ship. 425 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: Would you have a problem with him sleeping with somebody else? 426 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: I would murder him and you wouldn't sleep with anybody else? Well, 427 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: like I like that, I like that I can. I like, 428 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, thinking that I can, But I like the 429 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: freedom that comes with that. But I have zero desire 430 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: to sleep with anyone else. It's like it's just like 431 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: kind of a mind game. I think that we're playing 432 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: with ourselves. It doesn't. I'm just gonna go out on 433 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: a limb. And I'm not a judgy guy, but this 434 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: doesn't seem that healthy either. Why it doesn't just because 435 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: it's not traditional, It doesn't make it unhealthy. Mean, it 436 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be traditional. But I'm just are you 437 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: really getting everything you need out of this? Are you 438 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 1: getting everything? It doesn't seem like it. Well, all right, 439 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: So I like, I'm kind of pushy and direct and 440 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 1: I'm used to getting what I want and I'm not 441 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: getting He doesn't give that to me. He never has. 442 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: You just described most women that's okay, You're not a 443 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 1: unicorn in that regard. So I think I just like 444 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: speak up a little bit more than than maybe a 445 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: lot of other women. But and it gets me in 446 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: trouble and it also gets me places. But with my 447 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: best friends, they're the same way. So like the closest 448 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: people to me, they're direct back to me. They don't 449 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: give me everything I want, and do they drive me crazy, 450 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: absolutely at times, But like they're the healthiest, most stable 451 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: and equal relationships that I have. And that's what I 452 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: see with this guy that yeah, he doesn't give me 453 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: everything I want, But also Chris, You know, I was 454 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: just telling you I think that I've used relationships in 455 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: the past to fill voids in my life, and I 456 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: think that's an easy place to go to codependency. And 457 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: he's not allowing me to be codependent, which is like 458 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: kind of a natural thing for me to do. And 459 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: so just because I want it doesn't mean that it's 460 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: healthy for me. Okay, does that make sense? Kind of Yeah, 461 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: it seems like a contradiction in terms, But I get 462 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: what you're saying because I realize the codependency with you 463 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: and that you're not single for very long. You kind 464 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: of jump from one thing to the next, and when 465 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: you jump, you're all in. You are head first, are 466 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: all in. And so the fact that this relationship makes 467 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: you pump the brakes a little bit, that side of 468 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: it seems healthy. Yeah, but there's a lot of ifans 469 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: and butts about this As you're explaining the relationship. It's 470 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: kind of like when you go in to pitch a show. 471 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: If you can't pitch that show in the elevator ride 472 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: in that thirty seconds, you've lost me. It's too complicated 473 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: in this relationship. Seems like it takes a good couple 474 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: of minutes to unwind and figure out really what's going on? Right, 475 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: So we say we're best friends. That's what we say, 476 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: with benefits, with all the benefits, yeah, okay, but best 477 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: friends with Benny's Honestly, it's it's a relationship of convenience 478 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: a lot for the most part. And that's really good 479 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: for me right now because I want to be a 480 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: mom when i'm a mom and he is not a 481 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: dad and he doesn't want to be a dad, and 482 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: that's right now, I'm okay with that. It really I 483 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: think you just hit the nail on the head. It 484 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: really feels like a relationship of convenience. Yeah, I think 485 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: it is. What's the longest you've ever been alone? Um, 486 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I think I'm always dating. 487 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: Does that count? I mean, have you ever just taken 488 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: yourself off the table and be like, I'm not dating, 489 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fall I'm just I need some me time. 490 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take six months, three months a year, I'm 491 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: gonna be I'm gonna be abstinent. I'm gonna just no way, 492 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: Why would I ever do that? No? Yourself? Feel like 493 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: that's where I am right now. I feel like I'm 494 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: in that right now, Like I have this person who 495 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: I trust, well you are, but you got this thing 496 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: that's very convenient, right, So it's like, yeah, I'm alone, 497 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: but I got this Like it's it's like you have 498 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: a foot in each circle, if that makes sense. So 499 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: I'm not committed to being single, but I'm not committed 500 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: to this relationship. This thing just it's new. I mean 501 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: it's sort of new this time around. It's been a 502 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: few years, but like it's honestly like I kind of 503 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: see myself with this person in my life in some 504 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,719 Speaker 1: capacity until the day I die. Do you think that's 505 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: how much I adore? But do you want more kids? 506 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: Because obviously he doesn't. No, No, my kids are four, 507 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: four and six. Like if I would be open to it, 508 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: I guess, but oh my gosh, the situation would have 509 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: to be absolutely perfect because being a single mom to 510 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: three babies was like PTSD and dou sing. So I 511 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: am okay with leaving that baby stage. But when I 512 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: became a single dad of two they were a little 513 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: bit older. I still had the help of their their mom, 514 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: who was a great mom, and it was still a lot. 515 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: When you when you are alone, it is you know, 516 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: you realize that when you were married, at least, because 517 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: when I was married, she was a good a very 518 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: good mom. You realize, even as involved as you think 519 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: you are, you're still doing about half. And then when 520 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: the kids come to you and it's just you and 521 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: you are doing one hundred percent one hundred percent at 522 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,239 Speaker 1: a time, You're like, my god, I didn't realize how 523 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: much I wasn't doing when we when Jim and I 524 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: first split up. That's because I had always heard that. 525 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: So when Jim and I first put up and I 526 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: had the kids the whole time, you know, like all 527 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: the time, Yeah, just me, I realized, Wow, I really 528 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: did do all the work becaucause nothing changed. Yeah, sounds 529 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: like he was a bit of a deadbeat. Um, you 530 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: know what, He's not a deadbeat. He's really not. I 531 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: think that's like the nicest thing I've ever said about 532 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: this is growth. This is growth exactly. Thank you for this. 533 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: He just he loves them as much as he's able, 534 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: and he does as much as he's able. And every 535 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: night I pray with my kids, and one of the 536 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: things we pray for every night is to always try 537 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: our best. And I think that their dad might be 538 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: doing that that's his best maybe, Yeah, for a self 539 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: centered narcissist. Yeah right, I've had I've had intimate dealings 540 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: with a narcissist. And when you when you deal with that, 541 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: it is because I know, I think most people think 542 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: like people say, oh, Donald Trump's some narcissists. He's just 543 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: this cell center guy that wants all the attention. It's 544 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: not just someone who wants all the attention. That's that's 545 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: not really the true basis of how dark and deep 546 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: narcissism goes if you really study it, it's it usually 547 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: comes from fragility, It usually comes from something traumatic in 548 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: their lives, right, And it's just this I try to 549 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: give people the example of it. It's like a bag 550 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: of sand that you're trying to fill up, but there's 551 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: a hole in the bottom, and so you're never going 552 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: to fill that bag of sand up. You can't love enough, 553 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: you can't live enough, you can't laugh enough. Eventually, if 554 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: you put in a lot of sandy, you're like, oh, 555 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: it's getting higher, it's always going to come back down. 556 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: And I'm worried about like kids who are products of, 557 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, a narcissistic parent, Like my kids because I 558 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: think it's hard for them and their little brains. They 559 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: don't understand why, you know, their narcissistic parent isn't giving 560 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: them this love or like why the only time they're 561 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: getting attention is when they do X Y Z. And 562 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: so these kids try to their bucket with love from 563 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: their parent and it's not the same as it is 564 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: from their healthy parent. And that's confusing for a child, 565 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: and it can also breed some you know, issues later 566 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: in life or now, Like my daughter's dealing with anxiety. 567 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: I don't know what it's from. I mean, she has 568 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: had she's gone through a lot, but you know, it's 569 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: it's it's also their own journey too, and I can 570 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: internalize that as much as you know, till the cows 571 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: come home. But at the end of the day, like 572 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: it's it is what it is, Yeah, And me feeling guilt, 573 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: like intense guilt about that isn't helping anyone. It's surely 574 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: not helping me being the best mom that I can. 575 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: So I try to remind myself that this is their 576 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: karmic path and this is their soul's journey and they're 577 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: here to learn lessons and to overcome. And you're going 578 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: to be there to just help keep those guardrails up, 579 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: and yeah, try and keep it between the navigational beacons 580 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: the best you can and be present and love them, 581 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: and that's all you can do. And it's like, you know, 582 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: I went through those formative years with my kids as 583 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: a single dad, and I felt the same thing with 584 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: my daughter, especially becoming a teenager and going through that. 585 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: It's those teenage years, especially those middle school years. My god, 586 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: that is I never knew. Obviously being a boy, I 587 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: never realized how brutal that was for women and young 588 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: girls growing up with social media. Yes, oh and now 589 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: it's yeah, ten times what it was when I was 590 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: a kid, but it is it's horrifying going through those 591 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: middle school years with kids with a girl. Do you 592 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: think that there's been any bachelor or bachelor at Narcissists? 593 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: Oh man, that's a good question. The creator of the 594 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: show was really yeah, severely. And again, one of the 595 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: toughest things about narcissism is you will never I don't 596 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: want to say never, but very rarely will that person 597 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: ever recognize that in them elves right. I was talking 598 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: to one therapist about narcissism and she said I'm just 599 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: warning you that next to a homicidal maniac like, narcissism 600 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: is the toughest thing to treat. That to have someone's 601 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: self realize and actually fix that is next to impossible. 602 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: It just rarely happens, which is scary. So if you 603 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: were in that kind of a toxic relationship, you should 604 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: think about exiting and getting yourself out of it. But 605 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: I was trying to think of bachelor's. Honestly, I don't 606 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: think none. None come to mind, because that's not really 607 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: how you get to be the Bachelor. It's it's kind 608 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: of people that, Yeah, you have to be open, you 609 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: have to be unlucky and love, you have to be 610 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: ready to express yourself, and so that a narcissist really 611 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't work very well. It's probably not someone in the cast. Yeah, well, 612 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: I just I don't know. Sometimes I don't watch The Bachelor, 613 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: but I read articles about it, and I think in 614 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: recent years, I don't know if I'm getting older or 615 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: they're getting more immature, But when I read about what 616 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: they're saying and stuff, I'm like, how do people watch this? 617 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: It's like so immature and basic. Yeah, it changed dramatically, 618 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: even even in the twenty years I was doing it. Obviously, 619 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: I've been gone for about two and I always thought 620 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: the same thing, Am I getting to be the old guy? Like, 621 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: get off my lawn guy? Or are these are these 622 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: conversations I'm listening to just getting more and more inane 623 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: and like you know, with the vocal fry voice and 624 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: the lack of vocabulary and poor grammar and all those 625 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: things that started driving me crazy. I'm like, wow, I 626 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: really am becoming my grandfather. But I do think there's 627 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: something there, and it's a generational thing. It changed, like 628 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: my generation sat your generation, it was different than the 629 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: one before. You've always you haven't had a reality show 630 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: about love. I mean Orange County kind of did that 631 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: a little bit. But do you felt like you shared 632 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: too much? Do you feel like that hurts you and 633 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: that if you had been the little more behind the 634 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: scenes maybe things would have been different. So here's my 635 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: theory on reality shows, My blanket theory on failed relationships. 636 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: After doing a reality show, I think that somewhere deep 637 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: down the usually the wife recognizes that or maybe the husband, 638 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: somebody recognizes the relationship is in hot water, and so 639 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: they want to either give their their they want to 640 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: give their partner the ability to be self sufficient, and 641 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: or the the individual who you know, the wife usually 642 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: in this case, wants to be self sufficient. They go 643 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: on a reality show, their star rises, and then the 644 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: spouse can't handle the attention that they've always gotten, and 645 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: so the relationship that was already fragile in the first 646 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: place falls in the part and ultimately it was going 647 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 1: to happen anyway, but like that's that was the catalyst 648 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: that really, you know, straw that broke the camel's back. 649 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: Now with my relationship, my husband was a famous baseball player, 650 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: very good at what he did, but he was retired, 651 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: and so I joined the show, and my stars started rising, 652 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: and I started getting recognized, and I was working a 653 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: lot and filming a lot, and I was in California 654 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: a lot, and he was cheating a lot, I found 655 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: out later. And I think he was just trying to 656 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: get that attention elsewhere because the attention that he was 657 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: used to getting from his relationship had now shifted, which 658 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: happens in relationship wasn't all about the sex. For him 659 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: being a narcissist, he was filling something. Those women giving 660 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: him that attention is what was filling him up. I 661 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: think so because he's used to having his name called out, 662 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: and he would always say to me, I can't believe 663 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: you work. Why? Why? What kind of mother works when 664 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: you don't have to? And that was always so interesting 665 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: to me that he wasn't supportive of me having an 666 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: independent career. But now it all makes sense. Instead of 667 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: being an amazing role model for your kids, of seeing 668 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: this badass woman conquer the world, right right, it was 669 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: about it was about him. It wasn't about like, you 670 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: know what I desire in my values in life. It 671 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: was about you know that he wasn't getting the attention 672 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: he thought he deserved or needed. And you are correct, 673 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 1: by the way, with narcissism. If you had been home, 674 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: if you had not been going to Orange County and 675 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 1: shooting the show, it would have happened eventually. Anyway. You 676 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: were on the Titanic, it was sinking. It was a 677 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: matter of time whether you were on the deck playing 678 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: the violin or getting it. It just it was going 679 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: down down. Yeah, he was going down. It was going down. 680 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: So I don't think it was honestly, I think on 681 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: the show I protected him because I would see his 682 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: nasty attitude in front of the cameras, and I would 683 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: try to soften it or make a joke out of it. 684 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: But in his mind, he thought I was throwing him 685 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: under the bus, when really I was throwing him a life, 686 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: a life check jacket. I was trying to save him 687 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: from the sinking of the ship. Like here, dude, like, 688 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: let me sort of guide you into this space. He's 689 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: not the smartest, right so, and I can get a 690 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 1: little creative with words and help people get out of 691 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: a bad situation. And he wasn't picking up house but yeah, 692 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: and then he just put the whole thing down. Yeah, 693 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: and then I went, poo, he's at the bottom of 694 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: the ocean. Then it became a kamakazi pilot just boom um. 695 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: All right, before I let you go, I want to 696 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: I want to know what you're up to now. Obviously 697 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: you have the podcast, but what else is life for you? Well? 698 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: I mean kids, kids, kids, right, Like that's that's like 699 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: goes without saying, but especially the age there at for you. 700 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: I mean you're right in a wheelhouse, oh constant, Yeah, 701 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: they're they're at Costco with the nanny right now. I'm like, 702 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: you gotta get him, so perfect, Yeah exactly. But um, 703 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: so no, I launched a retreat business, Die Have in 704 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: Wellness and so I'm offering um women's personal growth retreats 705 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: and I just had one in Sedona. My next one 706 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: is in Zermat, Switzerland and July. I planning at the 707 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: end of the year. I'm I'm so excited. It's beautiful. Yeah, 708 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: we shot one. What season was that? I forget who 709 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: we shot there? Um, but I went, Yeah, we went 710 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: skiing and stay for four or five days. It is 711 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: you know, the matter Horn. It you know, it looks 712 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: fake up there, just like Disney or something, just sitting 713 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: up there hanging over the bus. Yeah, and then you 714 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: know you can take uh you know, you can ski 715 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: up one side and then you're skiing into Italy. You're 716 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: right there on the border. It's just spectacular. While yeah, 717 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean this will be in summer. So I'm hoping 718 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: to hike to the base camp, the matter Horn base camp, 719 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: which is like a half day totally can. I mean, 720 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: it's a glacier or up there, so it's it's above 721 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: the timberline there, so it's there's always snow up there. 722 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: But it's spectacular. You'll love it. That's going to be amazing. 723 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: So yeah, can I come? Am? I is there? I 724 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: know it's a lady's retreat, women's Yeah, but I'm you know, 725 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: I fit in. You know it's fine. You can you 726 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: know what you know. I can be just one of 727 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: the girls. Come on, join us, Women's Growth. You can 728 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 1: do all the medicals, I can lead the conversations about 729 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: our relationships and our feelings. Let's do it. You're welcome. 730 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: Seeings are not in July. In the podcast Intimate Knowledge? Yes, 731 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: oh yes, the pod. Yeah, the podcast Intimate Knowledge, the retreats, 732 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: and I guess that's really it. Those are the two 733 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 1: things I'm working on right now. But um, I gotta 734 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: get out of Saint Louis. I still like working in entertainment. 735 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: I like, um, I'm trying to create a real right 736 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: now for hosting. Okay, so with all the stuff, you know, yeah, 737 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: the speaking that I've done, so thanks, you have an 738 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 1: amazing amode of personality in charisma and charge. Yeah, where 739 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 1: are you going to go? You get out of Saint Louis. 740 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: I want to go to Austin. I want to go 741 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: meet you in Austin. My best friend lives there. I 742 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: love it. I love Austin. I go all the time. 743 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: Lauren and I have been here for a couple of years. 744 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: I guess a year now on and off, but now 745 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: legitimately for a good year. It's the best. Why do 746 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 1: you relocate? Well, I'm from Texas and I always knew 747 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: I was going to come home eventually. My son had 748 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 1: graduated and went to TCU, And then when my daughter 749 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: graduated high school and she also went to TCU, I 750 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: was like, what am I doing? Getting my brains kicked 751 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: in in California, I'm like, I'm done. There was really 752 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: just nothing for me there and so and you don't 753 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: need to work, you know, you know, if you're in 754 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: there our business, you don't need to be in la As. 755 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: You know, you can come in and out as you want. 756 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: And I've always just wanted to be back home. I 757 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: missed the people, I missed the lifestyle. I missed the food, 758 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: the music, all of it. And Austin is just the 759 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: best of all of it. It really is. I mean, 760 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: I can't recommend it enough. And when you come down 761 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: let me know. Okay, Megan, thank you for your time. 762 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you. I since we hadn't talked since Vegas, 763 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: and I was very intrigued after that night in finding 764 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: out where your life has been and where it's going. 765 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: I'm not sold on this relationship you're in. I'm just 766 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: saying I just I'm just going to leave that there. Well, 767 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: let's do a follow up, let's put a pin in 768 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: this for now, Let's revisit this in a few months, 769 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: because Okay, I just think there's something healthier and more 770 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: fulfilling for you out there. Maybe I feel pretty fulfilled, 771 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: but we'll see. I don't know this guy. He may 772 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: be the greatest guy in the world. I'm just this 773 00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: is just my thirty thousand foot level guess right. Appreciate it, Yeah, 774 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: keep it coming. You know a ton about relationships. You've 775 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: seen them all, all kinds, all dramas, You've seen it all. 776 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: And I again, just appreciate your time. And the kids 777 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,879 Speaker 1: are coming back from Costco, so go do the last 778 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: thing you have to do before your kids get back. 779 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: I'm going to finish my coffee. That's something that's a 780 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: mom that's hard to do, finishing your coffee in the morning. 781 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: It's just the simple things you miss, right, things that 782 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: make me happy. Megan, Thank you so much. I appreciate it, 783 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: and I will talk to you soon. Thanks bye, my 784 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: thanks to Megan King. And I really appreciate people, and 785 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: the reason I wanted to have her on is someone 786 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: who has always lived so open and honestly. And that 787 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're brash and it's like, oh, I just 788 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: say what I want. It's She's not like that. She's 789 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: just someone who you can tell loves and lives purely 790 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: and honestly and kind of accepts all of the mistakes 791 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: she's made in life. So I just appreciated her perspective 792 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: and appreciate that time. And I appreciate you tuning in, 793 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: and I will talk to you next time because we 794 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 1: have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. 795 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at the most Dramatic Pod Ever, 796 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 1: and make sure to write us a review and leave 797 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.