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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant right there, and Jerry's

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Speaker 1: and Tuck edition. So Jerry's in her office now, yep,

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Speaker 1: I'm in the Stuff you Should Know Studio that's right

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Speaker 1: in Florida. You're at your home studio or a home studio, right,

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Speaker 1: you got like eight of them. Right, You're at Elvis.

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Speaker 1: Which room is closest to me by baby, I'll just

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Speaker 1: go in there while we're recording from today. Man uh.

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Speaker 1: And now Jerry is is like a ghost haunting the

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Speaker 1: computer in here recording it remotely, right, She's like, amazing,

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Speaker 1: what's the Yeah, she's she's like a ghost. You said

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Speaker 1: sleep chairs. Sounds about right. So I was talking to

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Speaker 1: Jerry earlier and she just reminded me we're talking to

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Speaker 1: Origami today. She just reminded me that, um, I'm my

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Speaker 1: first trip to Japan. I brought her back a paper

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Speaker 1: Orgami crane and that she still has it and was

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Speaker 1: thinking about that trip, Chuck, because on that trip Umi

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Speaker 1: that's keeping us friends. Um. But on that trip, one

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Speaker 1: of the places you took me was Hiroshima, right, sure,

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Speaker 1: and it is one of the neatest places I've ever been.

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Speaker 1: I know I've talked about it before, but one of

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Speaker 1: the things that you'll see there are just mounds and

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Speaker 1: mounds of origami cranes UM like cranes like the bird,

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Speaker 1: basically the quintessential origami model, not like building cranes, and

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Speaker 1: that's not what they're building. You never can't tell these days.

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Speaker 1: for a while there, so it could have been. But apparently, UM.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons you see those cranes is because

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Speaker 1: there was a little girl from Hiroshima named Sadako Sasaki. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, it's very sad. So she was I think

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Speaker 1: But before she died, she started this project of folding

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Speaker 1: in honor of Sadako Sasaki and for this wish for

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Speaker 1: me too. You know who here at work has done that?

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Speaker 1: describes origami as um a metamorphic type of art, where

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Speaker 1: be like, you see, it's either gorilla or a car. Right.

425
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: But but when he makes something, you can you know

426
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: exactly what it is. Um. But one of the things

427
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: about his particular kind of art was that it wasn't

428
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: like every single details captured. People have taken it to

429
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: that paper folders have gotten to the point where it's like, um,

430
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: that guy Michael A. Fosse created a huge, easily two

431
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 1: foot alligator, which is almost several meters at least by

432
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: my estimation, um, out of a single piece of paper. UM.

433
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: And it has all of like the armor, the scaly

434
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: armor involved, Like there's a lot of detail. That's not

435
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: what um Yoshizawa was into. His was much more expressive

436
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: and um almost um impressionistic. But you knew exactly what

437
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: it was when you looked at it. And he was

438
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: able to do this through a technique that he created

439
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: called wet folding. Yeah, and wet folding is how you

440
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: can round things out. Um. You're obviously wetting the paper

441
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: and that's how or you know, dampening. At least you

442
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: don't want to get it too wet, and you can

443
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: manipulate it a little more and you can round things

444
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: out and make it look a little more like a sculpture. UM.

445
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: But I really liked his style. It wasn't because it

446
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: didn't seem like, uh boy, I'm out to all you

447
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: and impress you with um, just something that's so detailed

448
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: it'll blow your mind. They were detailed, but it wasn't

449
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: like that other guy that you were talking about, Michael

450
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: la Fosse. Yeah, which is you know, they're both great,

451
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: but it just seemed a little more intuitive and organic. Uh.

452
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: In terms of what Yoshizawa was doing. I think his

453
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: technique screams, oh you like that not for sale, get

454
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: out of my kitchen, and why were you here in

455
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: the first place? Exactly. They're like, I work for Time magazine,

456
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: but but help yourself to some soup that I sell

457
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: door to doing exactly. So, Um, I guess we should

458
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, if somebody has, if someone's listening

459
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: to this, interest has been peaked and wants to know

460
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: how to how to fold them. Um, we should teach people,

461
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: I think, chuck. Uh, yeah, well we'll tell you the

462
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: basics at least. Um, there are you know, many, many,

463
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: many types of folds. But you mentioned the kite base

464
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: or the kite full old, and I said, that's one

465
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: of the basics, and it is there. You can oftentimes

466
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: start from a base, which is just sort of your

467
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: starting shape. Um, that's your your point where you start,

468
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: and then get more detail from there. And there is

469
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: the kite base, the fish base, the bird base, and

470
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: the frog base, and those are listed in order of

471
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: difficulty from easy to hard. There's a really great site

472
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: called paper Kawaii. It's spelled like Hawaii but with a K.

473
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: It means cute in Japanese. And the the person who

474
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: runs that site has made a huge depository of resources

475
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: and um, instructional videos and diagrams and everything you could

476
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: possibly want. But um, she says that there's twelve bases,

477
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: or at least she instructs you on making twelve bases,

478
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: so it gets even richer than those four. Yeah, I

479
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: mean that's I got the picture that that was the

480
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: four most basic original basis, and I was I was

481
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: probably sure that there were more. So, Um, there's some

482
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: that there's some types of models that tend to pop

483
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: up more often than others, and animals are frequently created. Um.

484
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: And like I was saying, like, it's not it's not

485
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: necessarily you're like you're going for ultra realism. It's would

486
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: be impossible to make it ultra real um. Because I

487
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: don't know if we've said this yet, Like you're not

488
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: supposed to use like, um, scissors or glue or tape

489
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Um. And some people still use

490
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: scissors every once in a while, but definitely you don't

491
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: use glue or tape. That's not what'sh holding these together.

492
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: These models are held entirely from different types of folds

493
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: that you learned from doing or a gami like. It's

494
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: not just fold this direction, fold that direction. There's like

495
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: reverse folds, their sinks. There's all sorts of different and

496
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: interesting stuff you can do to make the paper take

497
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: a certain shape that you wanted to and then also

498
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: to hold itself in shape permanently from that point on.

499
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: That's right, and there are a lot of ways that

500
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: you can go about it. I would imagine that, Um,

501
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: you me probably did it on like a coffee table

502
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: or something. Maybe, oh nobody should do it in her lap? Okay,

503
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: well then you can do it in the air. Yeah,

504
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean that is uh. When you're at that point,

505
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: then you're pretty skilled as an origami artist. If you

506
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: are just using your hands and you're not putting it

507
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: on anything hard, then that that's pretty skilled. Um. But

508
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: I would say a beginner should probably use a desk

509
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 1: or something with a little help, maybe a clipboard if

510
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: you want to do it in your lap. Sometimes people

511
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: will use paper clips to help really get a nice

512
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: fine crease in there. Yeah, I got the impression. That

513
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: that's allowed. Yeah, I mean anything's allowed. Come on. I mean,

514
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: anytime you're talking about something that Japanese people do, they're

515
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: not gonna go in there and start screaming at you. Right.

516
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: If you're like to do it right, you may be

517
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: at risk of dishonoring your ancestors, but nobody's going to

518
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: judge you personally for it. Yeah, but I would imagine

519
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: a paper clip two might help if you don't have

520
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: fingernail Also, if you're a fingernail biter and you just

521
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: have just stubby nubs like I used to, then you

522
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: should you should maybe get a little paper clip out

523
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: that might help you along. I've also seen um like

524
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 1: a wooden a letter opener kind of thing. People. I've

525
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: seen people use that to make a really you know,

526
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: tight crease, or to poke a fold into another fold,

527
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. What nothing, did I accidentally get

528
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: sexy or something a couple of times? That's all right though, poke?

529
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: Oh you guys, Well, this is keep moving along, so

530
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: nothing to see here. We should talk to you about

531
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: a few of the different categories of origami. There are

532
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: many many categories that you can focus on if you

533
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: want to kind of drill down into a specific um discipline.

534
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: One is called modular or a gamy, and that is

535
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: when you have U And I would encourage people obviously

536
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: not if you're driving, but to kind of look up

537
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: pictures and follow along with a lot of these because

538
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: it really d lives at home and it's also beautiful

539
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: to look at. But modular is when you use um

540
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: different sheets of paper, but you're generally kind of making

541
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: the same shape and then bringing those uh together to

542
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: form some larger piece from those same shapes. Very beautiful,

543
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: it really is. And with modular chuck, that's one of

544
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: the few types of um of paper folding or a

545
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: gamy that uses more than one sheet. Well, it's mind

546
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: blowing about origamies when you're looking at just about any

547
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: type aside for modular, despite what it looks like, it's

548
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: probably just one sheet of paper. Yeah, it's just amazing.

549
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: Some of the stuff that people are making is just

550
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: ridiculously amazing. You've got action orgamy, which are kind of

551
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: fun because these little guys can move sometimes obviously it's

552
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: gonna take human manipulation. They don't just move on their own,

553
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: like you can't make a wind up to way or

554
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: anything like that. But you can flap a bird wings

555
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: sometimes a bird's wing, or you might be able to

556
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: make a frog that jumps. Yeah, or remember the origami

557
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: fortune teller, that little folded thing you could learn who

558
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna marry or that kind of thing. Yeah, what

559
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: what what was that called the oregonmy fortune Teller? From

560
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: what I saw, I mean, we didn't call it that

561
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: in elementary school, and I could not find it. I

562
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: could not find the name of it. I know what

563
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: you're talking. What was it? Yeah? Those were always fun.

564
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: There's something called mash Mansion Apartment scheck House, but I

565
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: don't think that involves paper or a gami. But it's

566
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: a similar game. Yeah that. Janet Varney plays that with

567
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: her guests at the end of her j V Club episodes.

568
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: The match game sure a lot of fun. So that's

569
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: different from the Origami fortune Teller. Ye, has nothing to

570
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: do with paper. Yeah, you always end up married to

571
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: Rob Low somehow if you're lucky. Well, that's called the

572
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: fantasy game. Um, let's see what else can you do

573
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: with origami? Chuck, people make origami out of dollar bills. Yeah,

574
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: I see those. I used to get those occasionally when

575
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: you if you've ever you work at a cash job,

576
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: like I worked at a convenient story, You're gonna get

577
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: some wise acre that pays for cigarettes with a couple

578
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: of cranes. Some wise acre. People make them out of

579
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: sticky notes like post it notes is what most people

580
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: call them. From what I saw, it basically just ends

581
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: up being Pikachu every time. Oh yeah, because it's yellow

582
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: and small. So yeah, jewelry if you've you can make

583
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: jewelry or a gamy. I think you can certainly buy

584
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: that kind of thing on Etsy. And then one of

585
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: the other styles that you see um or schools is tessellations.

586
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a if it's a school

587
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: in and of itself, but it's kind of like modular

588
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: or a gami or it yields like kind of repeating

589
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: three D patterns, but it's typically made from just one

590
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: sheet folded in just not so intricate ways. UM. I

591
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: saw in a three D hydrangea pattern UM on this

592
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: little sheet that the person in the pictures holding it

593
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: covers about the top half of their hand, but there's

594
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: I think at least a dozen little hydranges folded into

595
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: it and repeating room. It's just and then when you

596
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: step back and you think that is one sheet of

597
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: paper somebody figured out how to fold perfectly. Because there's

598
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: one thing that they don't tell you about orgami that

599
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: you figure out pretty quickly on your own. If you

600
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: don't make the right folds in the right order, you

601
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: just you just screwed up. Like it's never gonna look

602
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: quite right. Yeah, it's hard to undo a good crease.

603
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: I think that's where scissors come in sometimes. Yeah, you

604
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: know what I didn't do for this, which I usually do,

605
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm surprised. I'll do it later. Is watch a good

606
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: YouTube of someone doing something pretty complex. Check out paper Kawaii.

607
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: She's she's good and it's also easy to follow too.

608
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: Does she get super detailed and stuff or is it

609
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: a little more basic both, it's it's basically everything you want.

610
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: And then there's also like a lot of instructionals well,

611
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: like she teaches to base shapes. I don't think she

612
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: gets into like modular but actually it's not true. She

613
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: does have modular stuff on there. She does it all

614
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: basically um, but she's also got a lot of stuff

615
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: where like if you want to make a little gift

616
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: box to put your gift in she's got instructionals on

617
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: how to do that, so practical stuff as well. So

618
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: you can put Oorgamy in an origami box as a gift,

619
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: you could. That's pretty mind blowing. It's amazing. What's neat though,

620
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: is all of her videos are set to um led Zeppelin,

621
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: so that adds like an extra layer? Does it? Is

622
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: it really? Okay? Man? I was like, that'd be amazing,

623
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: especially if it was just really out of whack with

624
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: what she was making, it would be great. Yeah. I

625
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: was just thinking, maybe, uh, well, I can't think of

626
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: it now. Come from the Land of the Ice and snow.

627
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: What's immigrant immigrant song do? Yeah? But none of the

628
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: folding is keeping up with it. The songs has to

629
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: start over, over and over. Of course, if you're a

630
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: fan of Blade Runner, you remember that has a nice

631
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: um origami motif reoccurring motif in there with Edward James

632
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: almost as character. I have no idea what you're talking about.

633
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: You've seen Blade Runner, yeah, and I know the character,

634
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: but what is it? Oh? Does he keep making origami stuff?

635
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: He leaves it behind, right, okay? And uh it plays

636
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: a key role sort of at the end of the movie.

637
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. Yeah, it's good, a great movie though.

638
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: Did you see the second one? Uh? Well, I've seen

639
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: all the versions of the first one, and of course

640
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: he has all the second one. I thought the second

641
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: one was really great. Yeah, it was very good. I

642
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: loved it. And there's nothing that Ryan Goslin can't do.

643
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: I know, right. I saw him in a hotel lobby

644
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: once and I just wanted to kiss his handsome face.

645
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: Did you know I should have? Do you remember when

646
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: we went to upfronts once when we had our show

647
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: on Science Channel. We looked over and there's Fred Armison

648
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: and we waved like like we were peers any way back,

649
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: like I don't know who you are, but good to

650
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: see you for the first time ever. The other funny

651
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: thing I don't know if you remember of this on

652
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: that trip was uh and for people that know, the

653
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: upfronts is where you if you have a TV show

654
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: or something coming out the next year or quarter is

655
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: it yearly you gather at a place and all the

656
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: presses there and you kind of just tell everyone what

657
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: you're doing and they hopefully write about it. But we

658
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: saw Michael Douglas and Matt Damon passed us walking down

659
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: the sidewalk and I was like, what are those guys

660
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: doing together? And like, little did I know it was coming. Man,

661
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: that was such a good movie. It was awesome. I'd

662
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: like to see that again soon. Actually it's on if

663
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: you get a free trial the HBO on Amazon Prime.

664
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: I think it's on there right now. Man, I gotta

665
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: see that. Such a good movie. Um, let's see Technical Oregony.

666
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: I think is where we left off. Well, yeah, we

667
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: because we had already talked about pure Land, right yeah,

668
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: and this technical Oregonmy from what I could gather, is

669
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: this just the worksheets that you get sort of the

670
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: how to? Or is yourn actual style. It's it's kind

671
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: of both. So I think that that's thing about the

672
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: style is that the work she's the diagrams are not

673
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: step by step. It is a picture of the paper

674
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: with every fold in it. But it's like if you

675
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: went through the whole process of making this incredibly detailed,

676
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: very technically precise or a gami shape, and then unfolded

677
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: it but left all the creases in there and then

678
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: took a picture of that. That's what the diagram is.

679
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: But that doesn't say which one to do first. Which

680
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: which I find very unnerving because that means that there

681
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: are people out there who can look at that and

682
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: tell how to do it. It's just by looking at that.

683
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: And so in that UM that documentary Between the Folds,

684
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: this is made back in two thousand and eight, I think,

685
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: but they really kind of documented this tension between this

686
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: push toward more and more technical or a gami and

687
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: paper folding that's just pushing the limits and the boundaries

688
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: of like what can you possibly do? UM that it

689
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: started to use like CAD and other computer programs to

690
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: plot out, you know, what what folds you needed to

691
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 1: make in what order to make these really technical ones.

692
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: And then on the other side of that, pulling the

693
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: other direction, or the artists who were just like I

694
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: just listened to like my hands and my imagination and

695
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: you know, come up with these new folds and um

696
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: there's this one French artist who makes masks and kind

697
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: of almost Tolkien esque from like a seventies illustrated version

698
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: of like Lord of the Rings maybe, um, like like

699
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: witches and wizards and things like that, and it's very

700
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: like free form and flowing and they're like, you know,

701
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: when you get too technical, you lose like the emotion,

702
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: you lose the art side of it. And then this

703
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: one guy made the case. His name is Long. I

704
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: can't remember his first name, but he's just an amazing

705
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: technical guy. And he said, you know, no, these technical

706
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: people are figuring this out. They're making studies of stuff

707
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: that you could eventually incorporate into larger art. So it's

708
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: good that it's good to have both. Yeah, I don't

709
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: think there's a wrong way. I'm pretty sure his name

710
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: is David Long. Check him out. He's just up to

711
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: some amazing stuff. All right, Well, let's take another break

712
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: and we're gonna come back and finish up with a

713
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: little bit on the kind of paper you might want

714
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: to get if you want to try this out right

715
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: for this, Hey, Chuck, I looked and we did not

716
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: ever do an episode on paper, unless we named it

717
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: in a smart alec way too. Uh, what you're writing

718
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: on We did toilet paper? Do you want sure? And

719
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: I think that'd be interestingly. We did one on grass.

720
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: We can do one on paper. Oh absolutely. Uh. And paper,

721
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: like we said, is what you want to buy if

722
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: you want to start practicing origami and kami or coit

723
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: paper is if you if you're not just you know,

724
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: if you want to step it up from just copy

725
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: paper or something like that, and you go to an

726
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: art supply store, this is a good place to start.

727
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: It is designed for origami and paper folding. It is

728
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: very crisp, very thin, holds its shape really well, very

729
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: easy to fold, and it stays pretty it's pretty robust,

730
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: Like after you fold it, it doesn't you know, it

731
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: stays pretty strong. Yeah. Um, that's that's like if you

732
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: go to a stationary store and you look forward gami paper,

733
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: that's probably what you're gonna get, is that comi paper. Yeah.

734
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: I might have a nice pattern on it. Uh, usually square,

735
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: and you can get it in different sizes from like

736
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: sticky note size to the Granddaddy's size. Yeah. Um, there's

737
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: there's Uh. There's also another kind of paper called washy

738
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: um that is this um. It's like thicker, obviously handmade.

739
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: It might still have some of the the grains from

740
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: the pulp still mashed into it. Um, and it is

741
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: much harder to fold and keep like a tight crease in.

742
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: But it's much better for using when you're when you're

743
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: doing like wet folding technique, which is where you don't

744
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: know if we ever said you damp in the paper.

745
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: You don't get it wet, but you damp in it

746
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: so that it it folds more than creases, and then

747
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: it'll hold that shape as it dries to Yeah. And

748
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: it said in the article, which by the way, came

749
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: from house stuff works dot com or world website, um,

750
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: that it's very costly. And I looked it up and

751
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: I saw some and and and it seems to me

752
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: like you can't like if you want washy, it's coming

753
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: from Japan. I saw some stuff on Amazon that they

754
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: call washy paper, but it is not washy, but it

755
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: it's more witchy than washy, alright dad, um. And it

756
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: was fifty bucks for a role that was sixty inches

757
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: by thirty two feet though, which is okay. Um, Like

758
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: fifty bucks is a lot of money for paper, but

759
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: thirty two ft it's nothing. You know, that's a lot

760
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: of paper. Sure, yeah, that's nothing. That's a pretty good

761
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: price on washy. That's what I thought. You're just turning

762
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: into granddad. Yeah, for my glasses. And I said that

763
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 1: what about the foil. That's another thing that I thought

764
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: was cami, But um, there there are two different things. Yeah,

765
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: that's it's so often called Japanese foil. It's just paper

766
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: with a foil backing on one side, and the foil

767
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: comes in different colors, so it can really make your

768
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: origami paper cream pop. Yeah, and you can bake cookies

769
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: on it when you're done. And you said something earlier

770
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: about how um kami might have like a pattern on

771
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: one side, or one color on one side one color

772
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: on another side. Um, that actually fools a lot of

773
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: people into thinking that they're looking at an origami model

774
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: that's made from more than one type of paper, but

775
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: it's actually just two sided paper that's just still one sheet.

776
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: Like just just remember this when you're inevitably going and

777
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: looking at pictures of origami today. Uh, most of that

778
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: is just one big or small sheet of paper. Uh.

779
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: And the other cool thing here at the end, which

780
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: I think we should mention, and this is very very neat,

781
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: is it is art and it is a hobby and

782
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: it is in like, but it has practical applications in

783
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: the world at large. Um Like, when you think about

784
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: manufacturing things that need to be folded into a small space,

785
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: where better to look than an origami master to say, like, hey,

786
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: how would you fold this air bag into this thing

787
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: or this solar array? Like, how can we make this

788
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: large thing small? Even if only for packaging? And Yoshi's

789
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: I was like, I've died, leave me alone. I've given up.

790
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: Didn't I tell you I hated money? Right? But what

791
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: about ten tho dollars? Is that the magic number for him?

792
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: I guess so everybody's got a price, even you shoes out.

793
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: Uh and Oregony is great for the classroom for younger

794
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: kids to help teach geometry and stuff like that, really

795
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: really good stuff. Um. I got one more sweet Yumi

796
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: story um with Origami. Her her dad is in the hospital,

797
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: has been for a while, and he was an ICEU

798
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: for a little while, and thanks to COVID, we couldn't visit,

799
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: and we couldn't even send flowers like they were super

800
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: on lockdown trying to keep everything out. So um, she

801
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: folded some paper flowers and sent them to him, and

802
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: he had him on his bedside, at his bedside with him,

803
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: which he said he credits for helping him get well.

804
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: And that's amazing and they allowed that. Huh they did

805
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: no flowers, but paper flowers is okay. Interesting folded by

806
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: human hands exactly, very clean human hands. I can assure

807
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: you sure. I mean, I'm glad they allowed it. That's great. So,

808
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: by the way, Bob, we're wishing you here stuff you

809
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: should know, a good and healthy recovery, and we'll see

810
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: you home soon. Thanks Chuck. If you guys want to

811
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: know more about origami, you can start looking it up.

812
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: Get yourself some paper. That's another thing we said that

813
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: I think we should point out you don't have to

814
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: have kami or washy or foil or anything like that.

815
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: You can just you can use copy paper to start

816
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: if you want whatever is handy. Um, just go ahead

817
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: and have some fun with it. That's the point. Have

818
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: some fun. Uh. And since I said have some fun,

819
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call this sexy sneeze.

820
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: Remember when we talked a little bit at the end

821
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: of the Sneezing episode about sneezes being linked to orgasms

822
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: and and sexual pleasure, Yeah, and arousal. Yes, Well we

823
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: heard from Darcy about that. She said, Hey, guys, have

824
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: an avid listener, been listening to all of your episodes,

825
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: and this is the first time I've ever thought I

826
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: really should send them an email. About this. I'm trying

827
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: to keep it family friendly. But in your discussion, uh,

828
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: during sneezing was sneezing when becoming sexually aroused. In my case,

829
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: my no is becomes very running, and I often do

830
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: the my nose is running sniff thing during amorous activities.

831
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't always end up sneezing, but I can tell

832
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: you that there's a direct link in my body from

833
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: my nose to other areas. And she said the uncensored

834
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: version is I know it's been a good time when

835
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: my nose starts running. Anyway, I just wanted to share

836
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: my experience. Keep on finding stuff to talk about and

837
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: now keep listening. And that is from Darcy. And she

838
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: did say I could read this and just use her

839
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: first name. Thanks a lot, Darcy. That's very brave of you.

840
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: You're not even in an internet chat room and you're admitted.

841
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: And that's right way to get interesting stuff. It really is.

842
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: If you want to be like Darcy and right in

843
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: something interesting about yourself, we want to hear it. You

844
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: can send it off to Stuff podcast at iHeart radio

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