1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the battle Ground Podcast and exclusive interviews with 2 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: some of your favorite wrestlers. 3 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: Stop. 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 3: It's one O five nine the Rock, Nashville's classic rock. 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: It's battle and tonight there is a big show going 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 3: on at ge Otis Park. You've heard us talking about 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 3: it all week. I've even been telling you that I'm 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: going to have a special guest in the studio and 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 3: he is literally right here in front of me, a 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: man that you're gonna be hearing performing tonight, William Patrick 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 3: Corgan Jorge's show. 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: Sir, how are you doing. 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 4: I'm good. I'm still reeling with the idea that you 14 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 4: you dressed up as a giant piece of douchies going 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 4: to unsuspecting front doors. That's I'm still processing that. 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: I mean, you should see the videos we've we recorded 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: all of them. We posted it up on the internet, 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 3: so they're on our Instagram if you want to see 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: those all show clicks. 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been very interesting. 21 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 3: But first and foremost, before we get into anything any business, 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: I want to say congratulations. I saw the news you 23 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 3: got another one on the way. 24 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, number three, number three? 25 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 2: How excited? Are you? 26 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 4: Pretty excited? You know I was forty eight when my 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 4: wife birthed our first child. So before I met her, 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 4: i'd pretty much given up on the idea of having 29 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 4: a family, not because I didn't want one, I just 30 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 4: couldn't find the right situation. So to be here together 31 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 4: twelve years later, we're married, we have two kids and 32 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 4: another one away. It's amazing. I mean it certainly. It 33 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 4: certainly makes the case for if you have faith, like 34 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: anything can happen. 35 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 36 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: Now, are you are the kids going to be interested 37 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: in music wrestling? Are you going to try to like 38 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: get like a whole big thing with them? 39 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 4: Oh? No. They when we do NWA stuff, they come 40 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: to the show, so they know a lot of the wrestlers. 41 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 4: It's hard for them because they'll see the wrestlers on TV, 42 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 4: but they in their minds it's like their friend, like, 43 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 4: Oh that's my friend Tyris. That's how they think, you know, 44 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 4: So it's hard for them to get into the storyline 45 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 4: part of it all. Yeah, and then when they come 46 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 4: on tour, they perform on stage with us. So my 47 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 4: wife and I have gone out of our way to 48 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 4: always make them feel like whatever we're doing professionally, they're 49 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 4: a part of that. But at the same time, we 50 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 4: always tell them, you know, whatever you want to do 51 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 4: with your life, we're here to support you. But yeah, 52 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 4: they obviously have very interesting experiences that are outside the norm. 53 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 3: Right, because I mean they one day it's wrestling, the 54 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: other day it's music. So it's like you said, I mean, 55 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: it's got to be a cool moment as a dad 56 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 3: to have these moments with you. 57 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 4: Well, we rolled up on MetLife Stadium not too long 58 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 4: ago in New York where the Mets play, and my 59 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 4: kids were in the back seat and they go, how 60 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: many people are going to be here today? I go, oh, 61 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 4: about forty five thousand, and they just don't even bat 62 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: an eyelash. And then two hours later they're on stage 63 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 4: dancing in front of forty five thousand people. So it's 64 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 4: very I didn't have that growing up. 65 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of My kids are the same way. 66 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: I've got two as well. I've got a sixteen and 67 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: a seven year old. The seven year old, or my 68 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 3: seven year old, gets into everything. My sixteen year old 69 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 3: is he's too cool for school. He doesn't want to 70 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 3: do anything the dad does. But going to those things, 71 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 3: it's such a cool moment. 72 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 4: Well, you should dress him up as junior Dookie Junior. 73 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 2: I thought about. 74 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 4: That that would be good kind of go to work 75 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: with dad. 76 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: Right, exactly exactly, so let's talk about it. Of course, 77 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: you guys are on tour with Green Day and Rancid 78 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: and the Lenda Linda is that play in Giotis Park tonight. 79 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 2: But you know, the Pumpkins have. 80 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 3: Always defied conventional music trends, Right, how do you balance 81 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: maintaining your artistic integrity with the expectation of a fan 82 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: base that spans generations? 83 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 4: Uh, it's impossible. And I would add to that the 84 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 4: expectations of the music business because the music business, once 85 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 4: you reach a certain amount of time in the music business, 86 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 4: they just assume, okay, that's what you do, like you're 87 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 4: this type of band. So when you do something that's 88 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 4: outside their mental concept of who you are, that becomes 89 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: a problem. We've always led with the idea that if 90 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 4: we believe in what we're doing, it all sort of 91 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: work out, and it kind of has over time. Our 92 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 4: path has been pretty unusual. I think I don't think 93 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: it's a bos I mean, you could argue it's a problem, 94 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 4: but our path in music is almost like not like 95 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 4: any other path of any other band. Especially over this 96 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 4: span of time. I mean you're talking about thirty five, 97 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 4: thirty six years, and you know, when we made this 98 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 4: new album Agori Mori May, we decided to kind of 99 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 4: go back to our old school way of making music 100 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 4: and more guitar focused. And it's almost like people are like, 101 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: oh my god, oh you can still do that, and 102 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 4: it's like, no, no, we could always do that. We 103 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: just chose not to for various lengths of time. So 104 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 4: it's cool and that we have a little bit of 105 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 4: win in our back for a change, and people seem 106 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 4: to like what we're doing at the moment. But you know, 107 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: it doesn't mean the next album, we wouldn't decide to 108 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 4: do something completely different. It's it's just not the what's 109 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 4: kept us motivated. And I think, like I said, over 110 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: thirty six years, it's kind of worked for us. And 111 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 4: you know, given our streaming numbers and where the band 112 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 4: is public right now, I guess that you could argue 113 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: it's also worked that way too. 114 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 115 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And of course you've been vocal before about the 116 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: impact of streaming on the music industry. If you could 117 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: redesign like the music business model from scratch, what key 118 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: changes would you like implement to. 119 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 4: Build Wow, what artists? What a great question I would 120 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: like to see. And I'm working on trying to set 121 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 4: up my own record label, but I would like to 122 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 4: see something more akin to what Tony Wilson did with 123 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 4: Factory Records, which was the which was the label most 124 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 4: notably that put out Joy Division back in the day 125 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 4: in New Order. And you know Jack Bates, his dad, 126 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 4: you know, played in New Order, you know, in Joy Division, 127 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 4: so you know, he literally grew up in that business model, 128 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 4: which is that you know, the the partnership between a 129 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 4: label and artist is a fifty to fifty partnership. I 130 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 4: think that's the that's the most that's the best upside 131 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 4: for everybody involved. That avoids Taylor Swift being mad about 132 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 4: what happened here in town with her former label. You know, 133 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 4: I'm saying, get down to like everybody's kind of got 134 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 4: the same skin in the game. The old model, which 135 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 4: is still very much the model, is Hey, you're lucky 136 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 4: that we are interested in you. We're going to completely 137 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: exploit you, and then if you're successful enough, we will 138 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 4: work out the level of exploitation going forward. Creates a 139 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 4: lot of bitterness in the business people who do have 140 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 4: legitimate moments, even if there are a couple of years, 141 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: they don't really get paid what they're due for the 142 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 4: moment they created. And I think the music business as 143 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 4: a whole would benefit from a partnership model. The chance 144 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 4: of it happening is probably less than five percent because 145 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 4: labels just assume, very much like the NFL or something, 146 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 4: you're only going to be around for a couple of years. 147 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 4: So if you get lucky, we want to take the 148 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 4: advantage of you getting. 149 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: Lucky, right for sure. 150 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 3: And this weekend, man, it's a very busy weekend. 151 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: We were talking off the air. 152 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 3: I mean, you've got the show tonight at Giotis Park. 153 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: Then you got to hop on a bus to get 154 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: the Philadelphia because you got NWA in Philly this weekend. 155 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: And in your journey with the NWA, now is my 156 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: time when I also get to geek out and talk 157 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 3: about wrestling on a music. 158 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 4: I've talking about wrestling here. I've been in this chair 159 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 4: talking about wrestling before. I'm having a flashback. 160 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: Yes, how do you see the role of wrestling involving 161 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: in like the broader landscape of entertainment, especially in an 162 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 3: era dominated by streaming and instant content. 163 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 4: Again a great question. You know, I think there were 164 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 4: those years between let's say the mid forties and maybe 165 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 4: up until about ten years ago, or wrestling's placed in 166 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 4: the culture was very much kind of an almost embarrassed yeah, 167 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: and there's wrestling too, you know. It was it was 168 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: stuck over there in the corner with Roller Derby. And 169 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: yet over those seventy years, you saw the rise of 170 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 4: the NFL, the rise of the NBA. Heck, now we 171 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 4: see the rise of the WNBA, right, And I think 172 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,559 Speaker 4: it was very hard for many people in the wrestling business, 173 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 4: because they're obviously very gifted athletes to not get that 174 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 4: same kind of street respect as another great athlete. Yes, 175 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 4: they're entertainers, and we all understand that part of the business. 176 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 4: I think since you've seen the sale of WWE to Wmeme, 177 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 4: which is also owns UFC, I think you're going to 178 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 4: see now wrestling finally enter the core mainstream of entertainment. 179 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 4: It'll be up there with Broadway theater and everything else. 180 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 4: It's something that's obviously very popular, generates a lot of 181 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 4: money for whatever partners that it has, and I think 182 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: it also sort of attract more talent, so I personally, 183 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 4: I think wrestling's best days are ahead. And I love 184 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 4: the era that I grew up and I think it 185 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 4: was a fantastic time for professional wrestling. But I think 186 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 4: what's to come, and when you see what WWAE is 187 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 4: able to do with eighty thousand people in a stadium 188 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 4: for WrestleMania and all that stuff. That's why I bought 189 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 4: the NWA, because I saw a lane by which we 190 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 4: could not only bring the NWA back, but also grow 191 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 4: as a business. And all my meetings, whether I'm talking 192 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 4: to top networks, big agents in the sports field, my 193 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 4: pitch is always the same. It's a mainstream product. It's 194 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 4: meant to be a mainstream product. I know it's very 195 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: trendy right now for wrestling to be treated as a 196 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 4: niche product, like a smaller and smaller fan base pays 197 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 4: more and more to watch a very specific kind of wrestling, 198 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 4: And I get that. It's very similar to the dynamics 199 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 4: of independent music, where a band has a weird mustache 200 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 4: and a bunch of people like them and they can't 201 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 4: really write hit songs, but everyone says how great it is. Well, 202 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I came out 203 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 4: of the independent markets myself, but we all understand the 204 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: biggest movies are about the most people going. The biggest 205 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 4: wrestling events are about the most people going. So what 206 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 4: does that tell you? You have to find a product that 207 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 4: reaches everything from a five year old kid who gets 208 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 4: what they're watching at the most fundamental levels and then 209 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 4: in my case, sitting next to an eighty one year 210 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 4: old Belgian woman who didn't even speak English but who 211 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 4: liked professional wrestling. I think that's when wrestling's at its best. 212 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 4: So the best times are to come. And to your 213 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 4: question about streaming, streaming is perfect for wrestling digital. We've 214 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 4: seen a lot of growth lately in the NWA. We 215 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 4: just started putting up just matches, no contexts, just put 216 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 4: up a match, and our streaming numbers have gone back up. 217 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 4: So what does that tell you? People only want to 218 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 4: watch what they want to watch when they want to 219 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 4: watch it. They don't necessarily want to sit for a 220 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 4: whole show. Doesn't mean I don't want them to watch 221 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 4: the whole show, but a lot of people they don't 222 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 4: have time and they're on a bus. They want to 223 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 4: watch one match whom they watch one match that you're 224 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 4: offering them so. 225 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: Right, And that's the great thing about like you said 226 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: about wrestling right now and the whole streaming thing. It's like, 227 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: you know, if I'm sitting there and I can't watch, 228 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: you know, the NWA show when it gets put out 229 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: on the CW app, I could watch it on a 230 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: Saturday morning, or I could watch it Sunday evening after 231 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: I put the kids to bed. 232 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 2: Oh. 233 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 4: I mean, it's fantastic for that. But again, you know, look, 234 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot of talk in the entertainment 235 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 4: business about the influence of TikTok and how it's Somebody 236 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 4: told me yesterday, somebody who's a huge, huge YouTube person. 237 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 4: I don't want to say the name, but they said 238 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 4: that when they do short YouTube like shorts for like 239 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 4: Instagram or TikTok, thirty five seconds is the perfect time. Yeah, 240 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 4: that's the level of attention you can get from somebody 241 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 4: thirty five seconds before they scroll onto something else. I mean, so, 242 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 4: are we down to thirty five second matches? You know 243 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 4: what I mean? Like, I don't know what I'm gonna 244 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 4: do with that. Bring the bell, But that's real information. Yeah, 245 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 4: you know, so, but you know, we see it now. 246 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 4: I don't know if you're an NFL fan, I would assume, 247 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 4: you know, being being here with an NFL team, I've 248 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 4: gotten very used to. You know, I don't really watch 249 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 4: the NFL anymore, but if there's a game i'm sort 250 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 4: of interested in, Like we have the new quarterback in Chicago, 251 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 4: I'll watch that thing the NFL puts together that it's 252 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 4: like basically six eight minute highlight but they show all 253 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 4: the top plays. It's perfect. Yeah, I'm watching the product. 254 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 4: I get a chance to see my team, that the Bears, 255 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 4: how they're playing, and then it's you know, instead of 256 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 4: three hours and eight thousand beer commercials later, right, you 257 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 4: know what I mean? Yeah, I get those I get 258 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 4: those other two and a half hours of my life back. 259 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can do other things like, you know, 260 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: writing songs or whatnot. 261 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like standing in the sunshine or a breathing oxygen. 262 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: Right, which kind of leads me to my next question. 263 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 3: Because the Smashing Pumpkins sound has always been deeply introspective. 264 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 3: As a songwriter, how do you channel your personal experiences 265 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: into music while still allowing space for listeners to interpret 266 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: and find their own meanings in your songs? 267 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 4: As strange as it sounds. The more personal my songs are, traditionally, 268 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 4: the more people seem to find themselves in it. If 269 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 4: I write kind of a vague song, there seems to 270 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 4: be no connection. If I write something that's very as 271 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 4: we call in wrestling, me me, Me, me Me, that's 272 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 4: when people seem to want to get married to the 273 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 4: song and have their kid born to the song. I know. 274 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: It's strange to me because I feel a lot of 275 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 4: the songs that people have connected with through the years 276 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 4: are super personal. But I don't know how that works. 277 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 4: It's a mystery to me. 278 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be one of those things, because it 279 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 3: is interesting when people connect to those songs, especially if 280 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: it's on a whole different level, like you said, like 281 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: if you wrote it for your personal experience, but they're like, hey, 282 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: I'm gonna interpret it for this well. 283 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 4: And then just the whole thing misheard lyrics. You know, 284 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 4: my my diction isn't so great when I sing, so 285 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 4: I mean, it's amazing the miss the misheard lyrics through 286 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: the years. So you get that too, like somebody they've 287 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 4: convinced themselves that there's a line in a song that 288 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 4: isn't the one you're singing, but that's the one they 289 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 4: believe in. 290 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:22,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 291 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 4: So and they come up and tell you like, oh 292 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 4: I love that line. You're like money, you don't want 293 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 4: to I want to say the all time one though, 294 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 4: was it's a slightly different topic, but a guy came 295 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 4: up and said, you know, I got a I got 296 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 4: a tattoo. You know my favorite lyric of years of 297 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 4: all time, I got a tattoo. And he lifted up 298 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: his sleeve and one of the words was misspelled. Oh no, 299 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 4: it was like one of those eye before e like 300 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 4: conceive or receive. And I was just like, I can't 301 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 4: be the guy to. 302 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: Tell him this, Just like, that's a great tattoo, that's 303 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 2: all I said. I was like, oh thanks bro. 304 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 4: Oh the well, I don't know if it sticks. But 305 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 4: for a while there was a site Pumpkins Tattoos. There's 306 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 4: just thousands of tattoos of pumpkins related. 307 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 3: I mean that that's gonna show like something really cool 308 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 3: to the test of time with everything that you guys 309 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 3: have done of just like you have a page dedicated 310 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 3: to tattoos of the pumpkins. 311 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you know, I used to. I used to 312 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 4: people would want me to sign them and then, you know, 313 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 4: I thought that was kind of cool, and then one 314 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 4: day I was like, oh, this is wrong, Like I 315 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 4: got to stop doing so I stopped doing that. But yeah, 316 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 4: it's interesting. It's interesting what people you know, it'll be 317 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 4: a small symbol from an album that they connect with. 318 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 4: It'll be sometimes the band's logo. Usually it's my handwriting, 319 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 4: so it's weird. I'll see my handwriting like on somebody's body. Yeah, 320 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 4: there's other stories there. I can't tell then about women 321 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 4: in tattoos. Let's just leave it right now. 322 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: We'll just leave it right there. 323 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 3: Of course, our guest in studio right now, William Patrick 324 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: Corgan the Smashing Pumpkins are playing tonight with Green Day 325 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 3: at Giotis Park. And you know, as someone who has 326 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: exceeded in both music and wrestling industries, what parallels do 327 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: you see between crafting a compellative, a compelling narrative in 328 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: a song and building a creative storyline and wrestling. 329 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 4: Another good question. Uh, you know, I could give you 330 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 4: kind of a high falutin answer, but it doesn't really apply. 331 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 4: The closest parallel to wrestling and music for me are 332 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 4: set lists. You know, you have a two to three 333 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 4: hour event. How do you pace that event so that 334 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 4: people feel that what they're watching sort of has an 335 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 4: unfolding narrative, even though it's just a series of matches, 336 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 4: which is the same as a set list, right, What 337 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 4: do a series of songs tell people about who you 338 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 4: are as a band? So, for example, anybody coming to 339 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 4: the show tonight, we start with Everlasting Gaze, which was, 340 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 4: you know, a moderate hit on our last record of 341 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 4: the nineties, and then we play a song from Zeitgeist, 342 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 4: which came out in two thousand and seven, which was 343 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 4: a very controversial record time, but most of the audience, 344 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 4: of course, won't know the song. And then the third 345 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 4: song we do a YouTube cover which is somewhat obscure 346 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 4: YouTube song, not a big hit, So people would say, 347 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: why would you open your show with the first three songs? 348 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 4: You know, sort of, but that's the story that we 349 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: want to tell. We usually start dark and then kind 350 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: of move to light, and not everybody agrees with that 351 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 4: setless philosophy. Some people believe you should come out with 352 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 4: a bang and hit and everybody cheering, and I'm like, 353 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 4: but there's only one way to go from there, which 354 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 4: is down right, So you have to have confidence to 355 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 4: tell a story. So same thing with matches, right, you 356 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 4: got to have this confidence that you know, some of 357 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: the early matches can tell a story that get they 358 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 4: will get the excited the audience excited about what's still 359 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 4: to come. I suppose just like looking at their watch thing, Okay, 360 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 4: I get it, but like let's move on to the 361 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: next thing. So that's a big thing with n w A. 362 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 4: As you know, storytelling is a huge part of what we. 363 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: Do, absolutely and it's been some of the great storytelling. 364 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: And it's awesome because here on this show, like we're 365 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: a music driven show, but I also a big wrestling nerd. 366 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: As nobody that's paid that's listening to this right now 367 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 3: can see. But behind me, I have one of the 368 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 3: most prestigious titles in all of wrestling sitting back here 369 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 3: behind me. 370 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 4: The ten pounds of gold. 371 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: That's it, the ten pounds of gold. 372 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: When you see that thing that is that is the 373 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 3: championship belt of all of wrestling. 374 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: I'll just go ahead and say that, and you can 375 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: fight me for that. Whoever's listening to this. 376 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 4: Right well, so interrupt you. What's cool is you know 377 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 4: that the lineage of that belt goes back directly, you know, 378 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 4: over seventy six years. So when you you know, right 379 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 4: now EC three has the belt. When you have that belt, 380 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 4: I mean you have a direct link back through you know, 381 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 4: some of the greatest talents in wrestling history. 382 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 383 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 4: So there's no getting around that, right. I mean that's 384 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: a that's a real tangible thing in a business where 385 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 4: there's not a lot of reality. 386 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 3: No, and you look at it and it's like you said, 387 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 3: I mean a EC three tyrist, Nick Gould is, Harley 388 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: Ray's Rick Flair. 389 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: I mean, the list goes on and on and whoever 390 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 2: has even Adam here? 391 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 4: Adam pers who you know is now I saw recently 392 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 4: he's talking about having another match and I think it's 393 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 4: been over ten years or so that he since he's 394 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 4: had a match. Incredibly talented person. So that'd be interesting too, 395 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 4: because you know his lineage is through the NWA title 396 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 4: and that's how he made his name. 397 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I mean the NWA when you think of wrestling, 398 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 3: it's synonymous with wrestling. 399 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 2: NWA is it? 400 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 3: Because I remember growing up watching NWA at the fair 401 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: grounds here down the street in Nashville, and every. 402 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 4: Settle it is definitely an NWA town. 403 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, so hopefully you know, we can get another 404 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: NWA show back here in Nashville. 405 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 4: But you know what it is is so crowded. You know, 406 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 4: we like running the Fairgrounds, but every time we'd call 407 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 4: for a date, they're like book booked, booked, and so 408 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 4: I don't know, I needed if anybody's listening, you know, 409 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 4: somebody at the Fairgrounds. I mean, we need an inn 410 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 4: over there, because literally every time we've called with a date, 411 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 4: just booked. I think I booked two years out, or 412 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 4: I think. 413 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: We could work around I know some people over there 414 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: we can make. 415 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 4: I appreciate that, Yeah, because we love running Nashville. I mean, 416 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 4: had some great shows here, and for a while we 417 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 4: were doing our TV here as well at Skyway. 418 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 2: Right for sure, and that that's a great place as 419 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: well to do some stuff. 420 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 3: But you know, we're here talking about music, wrestling and 421 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: everything in between. And you've often spoke about the importance 422 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 3: of the authenticity in your work in today's culture, and 423 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: we've bifically talked about this. 424 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 4: Is there anything authentic in today's. 425 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: Culture of quick fame and viral moments? 426 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 3: How do you stay grounded and true to your long 427 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 3: term vision, whether it's with the pumpkins or the NWA. 428 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 4: Well, to be blunt about it, I've always taken the 429 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 4: position and my father was this way too, so maybe 430 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 4: it runs in the family. But it's something along the 431 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 4: lines of this. When you see everyone run to one 432 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 4: side of a room, right, well, that's going to leave 433 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 4: a lot of space on the other side of the 434 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 4: room for something completely different. So I don't know, I 435 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 4: don't know what would make people run to a corner 436 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 4: of a room. Oh my god, it's a super famous person. Okay, Well, 437 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 4: I'm the type of person that isn't going to run 438 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 4: to that corner. I'm the type of person that's going 439 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 4: to hold back and say do I care? And that's 440 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 4: point I'm gonna turn around and say, well, what's going 441 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 4: on in the other direction? So I think you have 442 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 4: to provide a counter narrative thing that has just as 443 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 4: much value coming from independent music. And if everybody remembers 444 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 4: in the late eighties, you had early glimpses of what 445 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 4: was coming with Guns n' Roses and then Sound Garden 446 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 4: and then ultimately bands like Nirvana to kind of break 447 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 4: through what was the But if everybody remembers the eighties, 448 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: especially late eighties. I mean there's a lot of hair 449 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 4: metal and every you know, a lot of great hair 450 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 4: metal bands, which I still like, but you know, they'd 451 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 4: all fall into that thing where everybody was doing the 452 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 4: soppy ballad. You know, I'm on the road and you know, 453 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 4: I've run out of hairspray and all that those songs, right, 454 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: and then you know, and then you had you know, 455 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: Janet Jackson was a hugely dominant pop artist. It was 456 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 4: all about dancing and you know, like a lot of 457 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 4: stuff which I wasn't particularly interested as a music fan, 458 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 4: even though I loved her music. I thought her production 459 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 4: was always great and all that stuff. So when you 460 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 4: when you try to create something that's counter to that, 461 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 4: it's not just like it's not just like, Okay, well 462 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 4: we're going to go over here in the other corner. 463 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 4: We're going to make a big racket and that competes. No. No, 464 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 4: what you have to do is you have to present 465 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 4: something of a higher sense of inner integrity. So if 466 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 4: everybody on the other side of the street in twenty 467 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 4: twenty four is plastic, surgeried out, you know, filtered out, 468 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 4: God knows what they're running their voices through. You know, 469 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 4: all that stuff that everybody does, so everybody seems perfect 470 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 4: and all from the same alien laboratory. Well, when a 471 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 4: kid turns around and looks at that other corner of 472 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 4: the room, they need this to be somebody that's completely 473 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 4: opposite that. Yeah, so you get into crooked teeth and 474 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 4: not perfect people and they go, well, why are they 475 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 4: standing there? And that's where being a deadly live band 476 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 4: has always worked for us, and really just not giving 477 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 4: a you know what about what people think. If you're 478 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 4: fifteen years older, you're twenty five years old, and you 479 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 4: feel a bit lost in this current culture and we 480 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 4: and we know statistically that many many people do. Well, 481 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 4: that's why bands like us with Green Day and all 482 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 4: credit to green Day, it's their show, are able to 483 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 4: sell a stadium full of people. And by the way, 484 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 4: the audiences that we're looking are very, very young. I 485 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 4: would say the average audience on this tour is probably 486 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 4: somewhere in the mid twenties, not like the audience you 487 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 4: would assume, which is like old gen X people coming 488 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 4: out for one more round because it's a couple of 489 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 4: nineties or three nineties bands. No, it's very young. So 490 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 4: what does that tell you they want something that feels 491 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 4: a little bit more gritty and a little bit more real. 492 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 4: And if you look at Green Day who they are 493 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 4: as people, they're not perfect. I don't think they would 494 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 4: tell you they're perfect. We're certainly not perfect. Rancid certainly 495 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 4: not perfect people, but we're all ourselves. And when when 496 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 4: you put all those people together, it's you don't you like, Okay, 497 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: this is we're we are that other side of the room. 498 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 4: It's not for everybody, but it's enough, right. 499 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's a great analogy. 500 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: And of course you're going to be able to see 501 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: all that tonight Giodis Park. You can still grab tickets 502 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 3: ticketmaster dot com and I think we actually have a 503 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 3: pair that will give away as well during the show 504 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 3: as well. 505 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: Do I have to wear the Dukie suit? Though, you 506 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 4: don't have. 507 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: To wear the Dukie suit. 508 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 3: But here's what we'll do is I will wear the 509 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 3: Dukie suit and I will take a close line from 510 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 3: EC three on stage if he's around. 511 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 2: We'll do that. 512 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 4: I like that. 513 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 3: That's we'll make viral news that way on this little 514 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 3: quick thirty five second clips. 515 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 2: I mean Alex Taylor can do it. I mean he 516 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: can do it. He lives here. 517 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 4: That's true, Plunk Plunky would definitely put you to sleep. 518 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,239 Speaker 2: We'll figure we'll talk about that off the air. We'll 519 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 2: we'll figure this out. But last question before we let 520 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 2: you go. 521 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: And I always like to kind of get people's thoughts 522 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 3: on this. Recently I had Slash on the show. We 523 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 3: talked about this. Over the past year or so, AI 524 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 3: technology has kind of gotten really bigger. A lot of 525 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 3: people using that, a lot of people using AI technology 526 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: in music. What are your thought thoughts on AI technology 527 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 3: being used in the music creating process. 528 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 4: You want the short answer and the long answer. 529 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: Whichever answer you want to. 530 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 4: I don't want to bore your great listeners, so you 531 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 4: tell me. 532 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: Hey, give them a long answer. 533 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: These everybody, I would love to hear from the musician, 534 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 3: the guy that shuts there and goes through the process. 535 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 4: We'll start here. AI is not going anywhere. So the 536 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 4: debate over it as far as whether or not it's 537 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 4: going to be part of the music business, that's already 538 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 4: over somebody recently in the in the end, the Nashville 539 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 4: I Almos said under way the Nashville circles. UH told me 540 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 4: that AI is being used in almost every writing session 541 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 4: in Nashville now and has been for years. So it's here, yea, Now, 542 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 4: let's hit pause on that. Every time there's been a 543 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 4: major technological advancement in the history of music, it yields 544 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 4: a new type of music. You could say it's good 545 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 4: or bad, but it does something. Heck, the invention of 546 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 4: electric guitar, basically by Les Paul in terms of what 547 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 4: everybody would understand the modern electric guitar, well, that ushered 548 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 4: in people going, well, now they can hear me in 549 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 4: the back of the room and Muddy Water's turning all 550 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 4: the way up and distorting his guitar and link ray slashing, 551 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 4: you know, a speaker with razor blades, so it's on 552 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 4: and more cool and distorted. So it gets into, like, 553 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 4: let's call it the ethics of what you're going to 554 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 4: do with that technology. So here's let's start from the 555 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 4: bad side. What we've seen over the last twenty plus 556 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 4: years with pro tools is there are a bunch of people 557 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 4: in the music market who have no business being in 558 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 4: the music market. Now, you can argue, hey, who cares 559 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 4: if they came up with the right beat, the right rap, 560 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 4: the right chord changes the right song. However, beautiful silly. 561 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 4: If they get it done and they get a song 562 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 4: on the charts, will more power to them. It's a 563 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 4: capitalist society and you should do it. But what you 564 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 4: end up doing is you sort of end up mutting 565 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 4: the water where it's really hard to tell who are 566 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 4: artists with real ability and we're going to be in 567 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 4: your life for the next thirty or forty years, or 568 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 4: somebody that's just having a little bit of a moment. 569 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 4: And so what it does is kind of smears the 570 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 4: culture around where everything kind of feels almost less than 571 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 4: what it should be because you're not really looking at 572 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 4: a whole group of people of accomplishment. You're looking at 573 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 4: basically a high school photo. You know, if you've ever 574 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 4: looked at a high school photo twenty years later and go, well, 575 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 4: that one didn't turn out so good, And so that's 576 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 4: what you're looking at now in popular music. You're looking 577 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 4: at a high school photo. We're probably eighty percent, ninety 578 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 4: percent of the people in the photo. You won't even 579 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 4: remember their name a heck, not ten years from now, 580 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 4: maybe even a year from now. So think of the 581 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 4: message that sends to young people. It's good to cheat, 582 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 4: it's good to be a fraud. It's good to do 583 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 4: whatever you got to do to be successful. Let's call 584 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 4: it the American idol model. What do I got to say? Who? 585 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 4: What needs do I need to be on in front 586 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 4: of to you know, to you know, prostrate myself so 587 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 4: you'll give me the magical wand of fa Now to 588 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 4: the ethical part of it. A very famous person in 589 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 4: the tech industry came up to me approximately seven years 590 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 4: ago and told me that this technology was coming and 591 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 4: offered me an early version of it and said, you know, 592 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 4: basically all of music history had been analyzed, and this 593 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 4: machine would tell me what chords to play. That would 594 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 4: give me the greatest advantage with you as a listener, 595 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 4: what beat to play, what tempo, what key to play, 596 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 4: and to basically game the system so I'd have a 597 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 4: better chance of reaching you as a person listening. That 598 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 4: is scary to think about, okay. And I've known this 599 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 4: person a long time and something I'm friendly with, and 600 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 4: they thought they were doing me a favor, like hey, like, hey, 601 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 4: I'm going to give you this technology, you know, right, 602 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 4: And I told him no, I don't want it, and 603 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 4: he just he couldn't believe that I didn't want it, 604 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 4: and I said I'm not interested. I said, my whole 605 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 4: life is standing on a stage playing my music, and 606 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 4: that's just the way it is. And if that means 607 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 4: that I'm not going to be good enough, well that 608 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 4: means I'm not going to be good enough. Ten years 609 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 4: from now, I might be standing in a stage somewhere, 610 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 4: a much smaller stage than what I'm standing on, and 611 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 4: the new alternative musicians of the world, they might be 612 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 4: all AI this and AI that, and the audience just 613 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 4: won't care because it's just the new version of the 614 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 4: new thing. I don't want to be a luddite and 615 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 4: wave a flag. I just I believe, and I'm a 616 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 4: spiritual person. If you believe in God like I do, 617 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 4: if God gives you a talent and then you want 618 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 4: to cheat with that talent, then why did God give 619 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: you that talent? The journey is ultimately inauthentic. And I 620 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 4: like to believe in the theory that when I lay 621 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 4: my head on my pillow, you know it's a pillow 622 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 4: I bought with my own money, with my own work, 623 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 4: not because I was able to cheat my way forward. 624 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 4: Last thing, we know that young people are totally going 625 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 4: to cheat their way forward. Okay, if it's not a 626 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 4: filter on Instagram, it's going to be AI telling them 627 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 4: what to sing and play. And so I think pretty 628 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 4: quickly we're all going to have to make a kind 629 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: of cultural decision of how we view let's call it 630 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 4: AI inspired work, and I'll go one step further. Is 631 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 4: everyone ready, including people that listen to the station? Are 632 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 4: you ready to listen to artists that aren't real? Yeah, 633 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 4: because that's coming to We recently saw it, and God 634 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 4: blessed because we understand the situation. But Randy Travis where 635 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 4: they used AI to have his voice in a song 636 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 4: because obviously he can't sing, And it's a weird feeling, 637 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 4: right because on one level, it's like, you realize what 638 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 4: a great talent he is and what a crime it 639 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 4: is that he's in this situation where he's not able 640 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 4: to sing at the level that he was once able to. 641 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 4: So there's like a familiarity, there's a tug on the heartstrings, 642 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 4: and at the same time, it's not real. So are 643 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 4: you ready for a whole generation of that? 644 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: Man? 645 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: It's it's scary. 646 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 4: Are you ready for? Are you ready? Are you ready? 647 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 4: As a as a let's call it a rock fan. 648 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 4: Your friend goes, hey, do you hear the new uh, 649 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 4: you know the new record by the you know the 650 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 4: water Bottles. No, oh my god, this is great. Let's 651 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 4: go see them live. You're watching the band live on stage, 652 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 4: and you're like, Okay, this this is not bad. And 653 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 4: then your friend turns and goes, by the way that 654 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 4: that recording that's not that was all Ai. This is 655 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 4: just the band they sent on tour to play the songs. 656 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 4: But the song that you like isn't real at all. 657 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 4: Are you ready for that? Because that's coming for sure. 658 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: I don't think I'm ready for it, just like I 659 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 3: don't think I'm ready for the whole like hologram concert 660 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 3: thing as well, because I remember, like they did the 661 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 3: Tupac thing years ago, there was the doo talks of. 662 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: A hologram tour happening. 663 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 3: I think recently they did like a Roy Orbison hologram 664 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: tour that people will pay him for. 665 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 4: I think, you know, hologram type of thing is fine 666 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 4: for an amusement park. I don't think it'll ever work 667 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 4: for the for the concert venue. I don't think people 668 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 4: are going to go to the Ryman and watch a hologram. Yeah, 669 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 4: but they will go to the rhymen and watch Hank 670 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 4: Williams imitator mm hm okay. And by the way, they 671 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,959 Speaker 4: push that on Hank Junior when he was eight years old. Yeah, okay, 672 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 4: that's the early version of what I'm talking about. Hey, 673 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 4: there's a demand, And are you telling me they can't 674 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 4: like AI comes with what or they find a guy 675 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 4: and they go, you're going to be the voice. We're 676 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 4: the record company. We're going to do the AI record, 677 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 4: but you're gonna be the voice. Your your voice will 678 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 4: actually be on the record, but you won't actually sing. Yeah, 679 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 4: it's it's it's here. I mean, that's what I'm That's 680 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 4: what I mean. It's like it's like something out of 681 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 4: a bad seventy sci fi movie, right right? Are we 682 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 4: gonna end up with a you know? It's like remember 683 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 4: there was the argument during a when steroids were pervasive 684 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 4: in baseball and there were people literally saying, just let 685 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 4: him do steroids, Like what do we care? We want 686 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 4: to see a five hundred foot home run? Right, I 687 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 4: think you're gonna have a crowd that's gonna be like 688 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 4: I don't care. I like the music, I don't care 689 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 4: who makes it And are we gonna have this weird 690 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 4: thing where there's gonna be an audience that's refused, you know, 691 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 4: like GMO foods. You know what I mean. You're right, 692 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 4: I refuse to listen to AI music. The line won't 693 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 4: will be impossible to ascertain because almost every popular artist 694 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 4: will be using some form of AI to game the system. 695 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 4: And then you're gonna have these and they've been doing 696 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 4: in Japan for I think over ten years, where they 697 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 4: have these anime bands where they're like they're not even real. 698 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 3: Wow, it's gonna be interesting to see how music plays 699 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 3: out in the future. 700 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 2: No pun intended there, but. 701 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 4: It all goes with the biblical end of the world, 702 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 4: you see. So we're right on point there. 703 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: We're getting there. 704 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 3: Well, it's been an honor and a privilege to have 705 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 3: you sitting here in studio with us. 706 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: Can't wait for the show tonight before we let you go. 707 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 3: Is there anything you want to say to all of 708 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 3: nash right now that's listening to this? 709 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 4: You know, every time I come here, I've spent a 710 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 4: lot of time here for people don't know. We recorded 711 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 4: a lot of our new album here and in Nashville 712 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 4: at Blackbird. We love working at Blackbird Great family obviously 713 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 4: runs the studio, the McBride's, and in many ways, you know, 714 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 4: we used to do a lot of our recording in 715 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 4: LA back in the day in the nineties. So Nashville 716 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 4: has become our new musical home outside of Chicago. So 717 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 4: every time I come here, I feel like I'm home 718 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 4: because this is where I do a lot of work. Now, 719 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 4: what I always tell people, because a lot of people 720 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 4: ask me, because obviously get around they think about moving 721 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 4: to Nashville obviously the hottest city in America, And I 722 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 4: always tell them it's usually musicians asking. I always say, 723 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 4: the great thing about Nashville is there's still people there 724 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 4: that play. You know, there are still people are going 725 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 4: to be out on a Thursday night in one of 726 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 4: those bars playing. And that's what I love about Nashville 727 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 4: is there's still players here because you won't really find 728 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 4: it in LA anymore. It used to be. And I God, 729 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 4: I got I don't can't even imagine what goes out 730 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 4: in New York anymore other than they say jazz. So 731 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 4: this is this is the music city for America right now, 732 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 4: and there really is no close second. 733 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna end it like that, then that's all 734 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: I got. 735 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 4: She's got to add a nuclear explosion.