WEBVTT - Legally Blonde 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.240 Hello, and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:06.040 Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Darante, and welcome to 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.799 a very special episode of the beck Doel Cast. We 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.920 have a little treat for you today, So if if 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.319 you're new to the show, we'll catch you up in 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.720 a second. But for for our loyal listeners, um, we 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.759 are unlocking a much demanded episode of the Bechtel Cast 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:27.480 today from our patreon ak Matreon page. So what you're 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.880 going to here today is an episode that people who 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:31.960 do not subscribe to our Patreon have been asking for 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.320 us for years and all of our matrons have been 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.920 sneakily enjoying for a long time. 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Do they have individualism? 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.840 The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing it with the beck 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:58.200 Del Cast. It's a bonus episode of the Bedel Cast. 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.599 Is a bonus episode of cast. I think we should 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:05.080 address what's happening here first, so we released two. This 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:09.520 is a Matreon Patreon only episode of the Betel Cast. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.279 We were locked and loaded a month in advance with 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.839 two bonus episodes for this month, and then realized that 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:21.080 our doubling down on Titanic, that was the original plan. 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.280 Maybe someday we'll release some of the moments they hit 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.640 the cutting room floor, but all together we came to 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:30.960 the conclusion that both covering the same movie, particularly covering 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.240 the same movie well pretty aggressively drunk, was not the 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:40.719 premium content that you subscribed to the podcast, right. I 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.880 went back and listen to that title, the second title, 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:52.920 it is a disaster, and that not good. It's okay. Well, 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.520 just just to give ourselves a pat on the back, 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.560 we reconvene. We replanned, we both had a bad feeling 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.440 that we were both two drunk and to saying the 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:08.240 exact same things, which is that we Likeditanic over and over, 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.960 and we've come back with a clear mind and a 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.680 full heart. I'm sober, although I'm sick. I don't know 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:17.240 if you can hear it in my voice, but I 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.960 do not feel well. I've had two beers. I'm I'm, 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.720 I'm it's vacation. Jamie has been activated. She hasn't been 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.960 around for literally a full calendar year. Everyone's going to 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.640 have to deal with it. But we are. We are 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:34.200 fully prepared for today's episode, which is on Legally Blood. 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.160 We just watched it together. We are in Caitlin's bed. 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.760 I feel like that's the bonus episode way kind of. Yeah, 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.560 it's like the audio is always a little worse and 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.400 we are sitting in my bed recording on my iPhone. 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.360 It's we shouldn't tell them that. I mean, we have 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:56.240 really good equipment. Everywhere we go. We're swamped with the 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.480 finest of microphone as though. I like the reason that 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.600 we're in the bed. And then it's like maybe people 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.920 were like maybe Aristotle is also in the bed. It 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:08.600 chased in to the bed. Anyways, all I had to 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.080 say we are recording and releasing us on a rather 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.320 tight turned around because we were so prepared that we 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:18.960 got drunk and did a bad job. But I feel 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:23.520 good about this episode. We both have a wealth of notes. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.800 So what is your history with Legally Blonde? Legally Blonde? 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.240 I believe so this movie came out in No One. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:31.720 I was too young to see this movie when it 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.280 came out. For sure, I think I saw it at 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:39.400 some point. My friend in middle school I think, had 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.720 a copy of it and we watched it as sleep over, 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.400 and then I think I saw it again in high 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.640 school and possibly again. I feel like I've seen this 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.760 movie maybe three times. Like I'm pretty I know the 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.600 general beats of it, but there was a lot of 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.960 details that I forgot. I liked this movie. I remember 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.439 liking it, and I think like this was one of 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.400 those viewing experiences that I was like kind of lunching 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.480 my butt a little bit because I was like, oh, 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.400 I hope that this movie was as fun as I 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:09.959 remember it being, which generally I think it was generally. Yeah. Yes, 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.320 I went for many, many years without seeing this movie. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.040 I didn't see it until I was a grad student 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.679 at Boston University where I was getting my masters in screenwriting. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.040 I don't like to bring it up, but I'll be 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:26.480 goddamn classmate of mind did a project on Legally Blonde. 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:27.959 I was like, well, I guess I got to see it, 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.240 and I think I didn't necessarily avoid it for so long, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.640 but I didn't actively seek it out because it's the 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:39.280 type of movie that doesn't really appeal to my sensibilities. Well, yeah, 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.400 I've given your his I mean, I'm surprised that I 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.320 wasn't more into Llegally Blond. I think it was just 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.080 like I wasn't the right age when it came out. Sure, yeah, 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.400 because I would. I would have been very intellgally Blond 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:50.839 if I had been old enough to see it when 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:54.240 it was released. That makes sense. Yeah, Yeah, generally it's 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.880 a fun movie. I'm trying to think of movies that 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.439 we have covered. I think Mean Girls as the main 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:03.000 one that jumps to mind of Like, I'm very leary 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.400 of covering movies that, you know, it's like I try 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.079 try to read sort of what's been written about the movie, 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:13.080 especially in regards to gender based topics. But this is 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.280 one of those movies where there's five million clickbit articles 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:20.839 about why Legally Blonde it's a feminist masterpiece. And I'm 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:26.760 always extremely leary of movies that have a million listicles 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.360 written about what a feminist masterpiece it is, because usually 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:34.160 that means that there is a fundamental issue, because a 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.760 lot of quote unquote feminist masterpieces have to do with 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.880 like this is feminism that's palatable for a wide audience, 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.120 as opposed to that said, I still think the movie 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.400 does pretty well. That's I have not read any of those. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.720 I've read a lot of them. I mean, mean girls, 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.400 there's a billion of them. And then there's some about 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:57.640 specific characters like Lydia Diets in feministic Beetlejuice, there's a 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.559 million listicles every fucking Halloween about how she's a feminist 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.080 icon when she's right and she's not because beetle Juices. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:13.040 Sometimes they pick the only because feminist icon. I know. 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.720 I was like, dude, why are you not reacting to 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:21.720 be amazing shows vacation, Jamie's cards are lowered, her friends 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:30.200 operating lower, and you've also you've played it so straight. Yeah, 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:35.480 obviously beetle Juices. Beetle Juice is the only feminist icon 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.240 in the movie. But but all I have to say, 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:43.679 listical feminism is stupid. And I'll say for the five 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.840 trillionth time, even though they'll still write up some of 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.880 my ship every once in a while, Bustle can kiss 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.800 my ass. In terms of like corporate palatable feminism funded 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.839 pie a male's hedge fund, so like, it's a tricky 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:01.400 but again, legally blonde most does well. Okay, I'm done, Okay, 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.240 got it? Shall I do the recap? Let's okay. L 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:09.720 Woods is a sorority sister. In her senior year of college, 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.880 she caught what is it, Delta New or I don't 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.400 even know what the night I don't know. She she 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.000 goes to a I think it's like c U l A, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:22.040 which is basically U l Ala. She basically is the 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.520 U c l A. Yeah, a good school. So she 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:30.240 is about to graduate. She has a boyfriend named Warner, 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.800 who she thinks it's about to propose to her, and 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.960 she's very excited about it, and all of her sorority 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.960 sisters are very excited that she's about to be proposed to, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.480 but turns out he takes her to dinner to instead 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.200 break up with her because he's like, I'm going to 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.320 Harvard Law School. He says something the ef fact that like, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.240 I needed Jackie and you're Maryland basically yeah, it's like 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.600 you're like he views her. He views her, even though 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.679 we know very early on in the movie she has 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.680 a four point of g p A at Coula. We 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.520 don't on how hard that is, but she has one. 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.160 She has the highest g p A in her sorority. 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.839 We hear a lot of this, but yeah, he's looking 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.920 for a convince. He's looking for an East Coast elite, right. 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.440 He doesn't take her seriously. She's like, you know, I 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.800 need someone serious, and I just this has been fun, 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:20.800 but I cannot take you seriously. So she's devastated, and 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:25.199 she decides that in order to earn his love back 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.560 and prove that she is worthy of his love, she's 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.160 also going to go to Harvard Law School. We will 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:38.520 get into this because Warner, while the worst across the board, 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.760 has the right to break up with someone, even if 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.080 it's for a shitty reason. Everyone has the right to 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:48.000 break up with anyone else. That is just something that 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.760 they do not tell you for some reason. That sometimes 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:52.040 if someone says I don't want to be in a 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.120 relationship with you anymore, you have to be like, well, 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:58.880 I don't feel great about that, but okay, like anyways, Yes, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:00.959 that is a fun to my till issue with this movie, 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:05.480 and so is her behavior after that, where she basically 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:10.560 shapes her entire future around essentially stalking him to try 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:14.360 to win him back. It's not essentially following him, you know, 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:16.800 but we'll get there. So she does. She does put 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.440 in the work to study Ford and take the l 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:24.360 sads and you know, do this video and the video 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.200 essay is iconic. Directed by a Coppola week later in 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.960 the movie possibly Sophia, we don't know. I don't know. 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.560 She would later go on to direct the worst movie 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.080 I've ever seen, The Big Guy Old, you're being dramatic. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.160 But she puts in all the work and she manages 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.200 to get accepted to Harvard Law School. And so she 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.880 shows up and on the first day she's like, hi, 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.880 Warner and he's like, oh, what are you doing here? Again? 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.800 Totally fair reaction. This movie would have you believe the 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:57.240 opposite of like, yeah, of course she's here, Like whatever. Anyways, Well, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:01.360 I mean so many movies depict like a romantic pursuit 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:07.360 in the worst possible ways. So just hang around long enough, 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.880 like yeah, just wear them down until they agree to 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.040 be in love with you. To wear them down. Narrative 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:17.320 is honestly terrible. But sometimes I'm like, maybe there's something 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:21.160 to this, but there I guess what, there's not, you know, Okay, Sorry, 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.440 So she's like, yeah, I'm here, and you know, I'm 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.720 showing you that I can be taken seriously. But she 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.440 immediately learned that he over the summer has gotten engaged 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:37.360 to Vivian the Jackie that he was looking for Vivian 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:43.880 van Hula or whatever. Yeah, Kensington or something like that. Kensington, 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.040 And she's played by Samma Blair and hot. She's a 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:54.520 little be at first, but so a huge be at first, 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.160 to a comical degree that I would argue does not 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:03.200 make narrative sense. Anyways, continued agreed. So then she's like, Okay, well, 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.880 I will steal him back. Now that's my new plan. 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.480 But that's not her idea. That's Jennifer Coolidge's idea. Yeah, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:16.280 Jennifer Coolidge is she not French? Right, So there's this 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.640 whole sequence. So she's like, oh, this is the worst 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.160 day of my life. My one true love is gotten 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.479 engaged to someone else. I have to get a manicure. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.320 And then Jennifer Coolies like, I did I have a loon? 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:38.400 Hi Hiish she's you know, listen, she's a fellow Emerson 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.480 Lione and I respect, she's one of our she's our 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.360 God fuck, I fucked that school. I stopped paying their bills. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.640 But like, also she is one of the esteemed graduates. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:55.480 Jenifer Coolish, well, she yeah, she gives l the idea 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.160 that she needs to steal Warner back, so she's like, okay, 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.440 I'll just do that. So then she starts to like 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.800 really take her studies seriously and proved to her classmates 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:10.160 and her professors that she is smart, because the thing 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.560 about her is that she's like still this you know 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:19.719 bel Air raised, wealthy, blonde white girl who is very 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.000 privileged and you know, a sorority gal in a very 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.200 stereotypical way where she's like, oh my god, like getting 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:30.280 into Harvard, what's hard? And no one takes her seriously, right, 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:35.040 So she's like, I need to do she starts to 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.840 like really buckle down and prove to everyone that she 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.960 is intelligent and she is capable, and in so doing, 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.840 she manages to land an internship with one of her professors, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:50.320 Calahan played by Victor Garber, and then that leads hot 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:55.639 to a storyline where she helps with this murder case 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.600 where one of her former sorority sisters, who like graduated 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.240 a few year ahead of her, is accused of murdering 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:09.280 her husband, Van Taylor. Sorry, yes, every wealthy woman's name 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:14.680 is Van Hulu. So because they have this sisterhood L 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.680 and Brooke bond and she's like, yeah, I'm gonna look 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:22.160 out for you. Meanwhile, Callahan, who ends up being a 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:26.360 predatory scumbag, is like, I think my client's guilty. I'm 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.520 barely going to help her. And then, to be fair, 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.360 she looks pretty fucking guilty for a while. What does 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.240 guilty look like, Jamie, like standing over her husband's dead 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:43.080 body covered in his blood. Sure, but anyways, so the 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.439 movie ends with like her helping with this case to 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:51.679 the point where Brooke fires Callahan after he has like 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.720 groped L and it's been made clear to her several 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.080 times that he does not believe her. Brooke is a 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.240 good character. I like her a lot. Yeah, so she 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.560 fires Callahan. She hires L, who is still only in 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.280 her first year of law school, to defend her in 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:12.560 this murder case objectively on paper, terrible idea and and 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:16.400 and as capable and as pro l woods as I am. 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.280 Really a lucky break that she wins the case and 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:24.359 immediately gets a confession from a Brunette promptly goes to jail. 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:31.240 I'm not pro sending Brunette's to jail, but sure, I mean, 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.280 maybe it's intentional that she's a brunette. Maybe it's just 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.160 first No, it is for sure, I mean every because 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.320 there are barely any women of color in this movie. 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.240 The way that the movie indicates don't root for this 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:47.879 one is with brunette hair. That's literally what happened anyways, Sorry, 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.880 that's true, Jennifer. The characters we are conditioned to root 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:56.119 for our obviously l Jennifer, Coolidge, Brooke, those are the 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.840 three big ones, and they're all blonde, white and Vivian's 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.560 Arcter who later comes around for Danning. She she has 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:08.600 front hair. The killer ends up being Burnett, the poorly 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.400 handled gay character in it is also well, I guess 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:13.879 she's she's got some weird highlights. It's it's unclear what 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.359 her natural hair colors, but I think she's Burnett. Yeah, 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:20.560 she's got darker hair. Basically, she gets a lucky break 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.320 pretty much, although it's through her like sort of skill 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:27.000 and deductive reasoning. But she manages to crack the case. 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:29.920 They win, and everything's great, and she has a dumbline 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:34.760 where she's like, hair care is essential. Any cosmo girl 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.359 would know that or something like that, and then yeah, 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.880 she wins, and then there's like the graduation. At the end, 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.600 she's like at the top of her class and meanwhile 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:48.480 Warner sucks. And now she and Vivian are bfs friends, 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:50.679 which this story does go out of its way to 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.159 be like by the way, they're best friends, and Warner 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.560 ended up alone, which is exciting. I also didn't mention 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:00.000 at all the sort of romantic subplot, although it doesn't 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.080 really end up being that. Taken to the very end 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.800 with Luke Wilson's character, it's flourte from the beginning and 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:10.920 a star turn by Luke Wilson's middle part. Lots of 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:17.080 crazy two one was a big moment for the middle part. Yes, yeah, 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.840 we've got to take a quick break. We've got some 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.320 bending and snapping to do, but then we'll come right back. 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:32.040 So that's the story, and there is an awful lot 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.120 to unpack. I have pages and pages of notes. Shall 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:39.760 we go by character or topic? God? Well, this is 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:41.440 the fun part about the bonus episode. You get to 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.600 hear part of the process, right, So I kind of 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:48.240 want to start just by saying that I think the 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:53.200 reason that I'm kind of lukewarm Luke Wilson lukewarm allout 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:58.480 to a little middle part. I fall in the middle part. 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:05.120 So the first like to act it's really only like 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:07.480 an act three of the movie where all of her 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:11.480 sort of empowerment happens and she turns around and it 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.280 goes from her doing everything that she's doing because she's 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:19.080 trying to win back her boyfriend and she's entirely motivated 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:22.840 by proving herself worthy to a man. Well, let's let's 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:26.440 start with that then, because that is and there's two 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.120 prominent examples that come to mind. I'm sure there's other 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:31.840 examples that I'm not thinking of, but in regards to 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.280 I mean and there's other there's also examples of the 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.280 opposite of a man chasing a woman in order to 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:42.479 prove himself and wear her down. But this weird plot, 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.600 which at the beginning of the series Crazy Ex Girlfriend 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:51.760 duplicates exactly, is like a woman who has been scorned 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:55.760 or rejected or is feeling very insecure because of a man, 0:22:56.520 --> 0:23:01.080 decides to uproot her entire life in order to relocate 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:05.240 improve herself to a man, and then in doing so, 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:10.120 discovers herself in the process. I do not like this 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.320 setup at all, and it really frustrates me because I 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.560 like this movie. But the inciting incident to this movie 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:20.480 is just like all I it's I don't know, Like 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:23.720 there's a lot of moments in this movie in particular 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:28.000 where it's like there are so many seeds for very 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:32.880 wrong thinking that is being implanted into young girls heads 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.960 that I really don't like of just like, you know, 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:39.040 the only way to realize your own potential is to 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.679 first be rejected by a man and then change everything 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:45.199 about you, Like it's almost little Little mermaid e like 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.000 that would be another example of this of like my 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:51.640 current forum isn't working, so what have I change? And 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.439 let's make all the necessary adjustments. And it does like 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:57.840 you're saying, like the third act does have l realizing 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:02.359 oh I actually am, But logistically she never would have 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:06.760 recognized her own potential if Warner hadn't broken up with her, 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:09.520 And I don't like that. I think it's so frustrating 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.840 the same, Yes, I was trying to think of movies 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:16.199 where there is a female protagonist who pursues something she 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:19.600 something like going to law school and becoming a lawyer, 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.360 just because she's interested in that already, and not because 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.200 she's motivated by a man. And I had trouble thinking 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:28.480 of examples, well, one, because there are just so few 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.439 movies with a female protagonist, and the ones that do 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.400 have a female protagonist, it's often a rom com or 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:39.000