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Speaker 1: So this week I saw the BlackBerry Movie. I'm really
Speaker 1: getting my use out of this AMC membership I've got.
Speaker 1: I've seen now three movies in two months. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: So I was very excited to see the BlackBerry Movie
Speaker 1: because of course we all went through our BlackBerry phase.
Speaker 1: And if I haven't mentioned this before, I am obsessed
Speaker 1: with cell phones. It's been a lifelong obsession, way before
Speaker 1: this show, way before I started covering technology. It's just
Speaker 1: something I have always loved. And this movie really made
Speaker 1: me reflect on some of the phones that have really
Speaker 1: changed my life and had an impact on me over
Speaker 1: the years. We think iPhone, iPhone, iPhone, There's been many
Speaker 1: phones before and after the iPhone, and I remember getting
Speaker 1: my first phone in high school. I might have like,
Speaker 1: maybe flubbed my age a little bit because I think
Speaker 1: you had to be eighteen to get a phone, and
Speaker 1: I might have told him I was eighteen, and I
Speaker 1: think it was like thirty dollars a month for thirty
Speaker 1: minutes or something ridiculous, and it didn't really work anywhere.
Speaker 2: It was staticky.
Speaker 1: This was back when you know, this was cellular like
Speaker 1: real before, like it was digital. I also sold cell
Speaker 1: phones at office depot back in the day when I
Speaker 1: was in high school, and I remember these were the
Speaker 1: days when cell phones were advertised for a penny. One
Speaker 1: penny got you a cell phone. So people would come
Speaker 1: in for some new ink for their printer. I would
Speaker 1: give them the sales pitch for a new phone. They'd
Speaker 1: of course get the phone because it was a penny,
Speaker 1: and then guess what happened. Inevitably they would be back
Speaker 1: a month later because they got their bill and it
Speaker 1: was like three four hundred dollars because back of the day,
Speaker 1: everything was loaded up into that bill, all of your minutes.
Speaker 1: If you went over, it was extra money, the activation fee,
Speaker 1: the monthly fee, the first month, the last month.
Speaker 2: There were so many fees.
Speaker 1: Your bill was like a couple hundred bucks and so
Speaker 1: people would pay this one penny for the phone. I said, no,
Speaker 1: there's the one penny you paid, and some people would
Speaker 1: want to return it. Others would cool down after you
Speaker 1: explained to them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was fun. Let's see.
Speaker 1: The first phone I remember really really wanting, right, was
Speaker 1: the Treo. It was the Palm six hundred. This is
Speaker 1: a phone that I really wanted. I was living in Shreveport,
Speaker 1: Louisiana at the time. I was a reporter at one
Speaker 1: of the stations there and I said to my then
Speaker 1: girlfriend now wife, I said, hey, would you mind driving
Speaker 1: with me to go get this phone.
Speaker 2: She's like, sure, no problem.
Speaker 1: Well, it was like a two hour drive to go
Speaker 1: get this phone. She's like, where are we going. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they don't have a best Buy here
Speaker 1: in Shreveport. We got to go to I think it
Speaker 1: was like Longview, Texas or somewhere in Texas. And so
Speaker 1: we get to the cashier after this whole long drive,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm paying full price for this phone,
Speaker 1: and it rang up and it was like I don't know,
Speaker 1: five ninety nine or something, and she was like, wait,
Speaker 1: what you didn't tell me this part. I said, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm out of contract. I gotta do this. So that
Speaker 1: was the first phone I got that I really really
Speaker 1: just loved, and it was not very good. You could
Speaker 1: even again, the cellular networks at this time were just
Speaker 1: not very good. After that was a Moto Q. This
Speaker 1: phone I was living in New York City. This was
Speaker 1: around that of the iPhone, I believe. But what I
Speaker 1: loved about this phone it was so thin, it was
Speaker 1: so light, it had this keyboard. It was an alternative
Speaker 1: to the BlackBerry. It was so different. I could not
Speaker 1: get enough of this phone.
Speaker 2: I watched.
Speaker 1: This was when I really got into like watching all
Speaker 1: the little reviews and stuff online, reading everything I could
Speaker 1: about this phone before I got it. I also remember
Speaker 1: trying to stream music and music on it for the
Speaker 1: first time on the bus and I was using sling
Speaker 1: Box and it was just like such a bad experience
Speaker 1: because again the cellular networks were so bad.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 1: Of course, two thousand and seven Rolls Around got the iPhone.
Speaker 1: I was there the first day. I was covering it
Speaker 1: for Cnet and it was incredible. The phone was just magical.
Speaker 1: This was before it had the App store. It was
Speaker 1: still amazing. No turn by turn directions but this phone
Speaker 1: really changed everything because it was finally just a piece
Speaker 1: of electronics that could be anything you wanted it to
Speaker 1: be because it was just a screen. And so later
Speaker 1: on came all the excitement with face id, Touch id,
Speaker 1: the app store, but this thing was loaded with YouTube
Speaker 1: of web browser, and again the signal was so bad.
Speaker 1: I will never forget walking down the street to a
Speaker 1: dentist appointment calling my best friend and saying, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: on the new iPhone and he was like, well, you
Speaker 1: might want to switch back to your old phone because
Speaker 1: I can't hear anything you're saying.
Speaker 2: And that was that.
Speaker 1: Half the time it worked, half the time it didn't.
Speaker 1: How about Amazon, they got into the phone game. Do
Speaker 1: you remember that fire phone is what they called it.
Speaker 1: Their gimmick was a three D screen and I remember
Speaker 1: it had a bunch of cameras facing you to do
Speaker 1: this three D kind of gimmick that it did. And
Speaker 1: it also came with free Prime membership, free photo backup,
Speaker 1: which I guess you still get if you have a
Speaker 1: Prime membership, and this thing called Firefly you could take
Speaker 1: a picture of anything and it would identify it to
Speaker 1: help you basically buy it on Amazon. That thing really
Speaker 1: crashed and burned. Now I'm not talking burning like the
Speaker 1: uh the Samsung Noe. I think it was a seven
Speaker 1: that really literally burned. But yes, the firefly feature, the
Speaker 1: three D screen, none of that was enough. Amazon canceled
Speaker 1: that phone so fast it was not even around for
Speaker 1: very long. What else I remember the first Google phone?
Speaker 1: Well there was two first with Google. There was the
Speaker 1: first real Google phone, I think was the g One.
Speaker 1: I was a reporter in Los Angeles at the time
Speaker 1: at k COW and I remember getting sent that phone
Speaker 1: to test out, and I thought it was so cool.
Speaker 1: It was the first real competition to the iPhone. The
Speaker 1: Android operating system. Camera was not very good. Camera was
Speaker 1: not very good on any of these phones back in
Speaker 1: the day until Google came out with what was called
Speaker 1: the Nexus, and I remember taking pictures on that. It
Speaker 1: was fine. But then they came out with the Pixel.
Speaker 1: So Google has had sort of like three names for
Speaker 1: their phones, but the Pixel. I remember taking the first
Speaker 1: selfie on that phone and I could not believe the
Speaker 1: quality of it. These camera, these areas were test out
Speaker 1: the phone, so they have the demos. The lighting is
Speaker 1: always so bad and I couldn't believe what a good picture.
Speaker 1: It took in really easy time. After that, there was LG.
Speaker 1: They had so many little things in their phones. They
Speaker 1: were always trying something new. They had a phone that flexed.
Speaker 1: It was called the G Flex. It bent, It had
Speaker 1: a back that could heal, had a second screen phone
Speaker 1: they tried out that didn't work out.
Speaker 2: One plus came along. That phone.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget seeing in the back of a lift.
Speaker 1: It was up in San Francisco. I was going to
Speaker 1: the airport and said what kind of phone is that
Speaker 1: to the driver and they said, oh, it's a one plus.
Speaker 1: I said, oh my god. Things amazing, beautiful, sleek software,
Speaker 1: so nice.
Speaker 2: Motorola.
Speaker 1: Over the years they tried different things. They had one
Speaker 1: called the Moto X. You could customize all of it,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. You could put your name on the
Speaker 1: back of it, customized the colors. That failed too, So
Speaker 1: many of these things failed. HTC I was in love
Speaker 1: with HTC phones. Those were so beautiful, amazing designs. The
Speaker 1: software was so good. They even had an IR blaster
Speaker 1: on them so they could be a universal remote control.
Speaker 1: They were one of the first to do live photos,
Speaker 1: so it took a little picture before and after Samsung.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, talk about experimentation. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: everything we've seen on the modern smartphone, all the features
Speaker 1: we've seen, came from Samsung at some point. First one
Speaker 1: hundred times zoom, replaceable batteries, memory cards, cameras. They were
Speaker 1: the first to add, like ten cameras on a phone.
Speaker 1: Software features galorey, the stylus. Everyone laughed at the stylus.
Speaker 1: And guess what, so many devices have adopted or so
Speaker 1: many people have come to like that. All the things
Speaker 1: we take for granted nowadays, unlimited data, good photos, music
Speaker 1: on our phone, all these cameras, wireless charging, water resistance.
Speaker 1: These are things that are new. These are things that
Speaker 1: are relatively new in our world. But I was there
Speaker 1: for all of this stuff, and what a ride it's been.
Speaker 1: Ah And now we're with our iPhones and the Samsungs,
Speaker 1: and quite honestly, phones have become pretty boring because they
Speaker 1: do what you need him to do. They take the picture,
Speaker 1: they hold their charge. They've lost some of the features
Speaker 1: that we liked over the years, but overall they're pretty boring.
Speaker 1: The iPhone slow evolution. Over the years, it's gotten better
Speaker 1: and better, but it's a slow evolution. Anyway, I thought
Speaker 1: i'd take you down that little trip down memory lane
Speaker 1: because I had a fun time thinking about all those phones.
Speaker 1: And there's many many more, believe me, and I will
Speaker 1: continue to be obsessed, all right. Coming up on this
Speaker 1: week's show, we've got some great, great guests.
Speaker 2: Billy Opposen of Telly.
Speaker 1: He's going to talk about his new startup that is
Speaker 1: giving five hundred thousand people a free TV this year alone.
Speaker 1: Then one of our favorite guests, or one of your
Speaker 1: favorite guests, I should say, Jared Newman. He's going to
Speaker 1: talk about the plan to make passwords obsolete. And later
Speaker 1: Christina Warren is going to help me reminisce about the
Speaker 1: good old days of BlackBerry. We are going to talk
Speaker 1: about the BlackBerry movie, which I do believe you should see.
Speaker 2: But up first, it is your turn.
Speaker 1: Coming up next, it's triple eight rich one O one
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Speaker 1: to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech.
Speaker 1: Rich DeMuro here hanging out with you talking technology, apps, gadgets,
Speaker 1: tech News.
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Speaker 1: You're the best part of the show, So if you
Speaker 1: want to join in, give me a call. Mike kicks
Speaker 1: us off in Portland, Oregon. Mike, you're on with rich Hey.
Speaker 4: Rich Hey. My wife and I play pick a ball
Speaker 4: a lot, and I like watching it on TV. But
Speaker 4: sometimes the tournaments, like there's one this weekend, it's on
Speaker 4: Amazon Prime. Sometimes it's on YouTube, and you can't record
Speaker 4: those stations or those those outlets, whatever you want to
Speaker 4: call them. Is there any way around that? Is there
Speaker 4: any divice for recording off of those channels?
Speaker 1: Great question, so I'm sure, by the way, were you
Speaker 1: playing pickleball before it was popular or like, are you
Speaker 1: just jumping on this now?
Speaker 3: No, actually we started a year ago.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 4: We played an indoor facility and it's pretty fantastic.
Speaker 1: What's the difference, by the way, between pickleball and racketball.
Speaker 4: I've never played racketball, so I don't know. I think,
Speaker 4: be honest with you, I've watched racketball and I had
Speaker 4: the feeling you get hurt a lot worse in racketball.
Speaker 4: Than you could in pickleball.
Speaker 1: Maybe racketball involves the wall too, So yeah, okay, So
Speaker 1: to answer your question, here is the deal. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are ways that you could set up some
Speaker 1: sort of device that would record the entire screen, like
Speaker 1: you would need a video capture device, but that's way
Speaker 1: too complicated. So what I'm going to recommend is something
Speaker 1: I've tried in the past, which is called play on
Speaker 1: p L A y N dot TV. This is a
Speaker 1: cloud recorder and it records the various streaming services. So
Speaker 1: this will work with Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, HBO, Max, Disney Plus,
Speaker 1: and this is one way to do it. Now here's
Speaker 1: the thing. I'm not sure if this operates in a
Speaker 1: gray area or what the deal is with this.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: You know, Tvo has been around for a long time.
Speaker 1: The idea of recording content has been around, and when
Speaker 1: Tvo first came out, people were up in arms about that.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure where this stands on the you know,
Speaker 1: if these companies like what it's doing, but it's available.
Speaker 1: It's been around for a very long time because I've
Speaker 1: tried it years ago, and it does what it says.
Speaker 1: It's not always perfect and I'm not sure that it
Speaker 1: works with YouTube per se, but it does work with
Speaker 1: a lot of the major streaming services. YouTube I don't
Speaker 1: see listed right off the bat, but that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that that doesn't work with that. This is a paid service,
Speaker 1: so you're not going to be able to do this
Speaker 1: for free. There is a free trial so you can
Speaker 1: try that, and then you're gonna have to pay for
Speaker 1: They do it with recording credits, so it's like five
Speaker 1: bucks a month and then you can buy credits to
Speaker 1: record something. So other than that, I think the other
Speaker 1: way to do it is some sort of video capture card,
Speaker 1: but that would you know, and Elgato is the big
Speaker 1: brand there, so if you want something from uh to
Speaker 1: do that with, I think E L G A. T
Speaker 1: O is the big brand there. But I think that
Speaker 1: this cloud service is gonna be the best. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to look if there's an alternative to play on, if
Speaker 1: they have like some sort of you know, competitor that
Speaker 1: might do something similar. I'm not really finding that because
Speaker 1: I usually do my favorite search on Google, which is versus.
Speaker 1: So if you type in play on versus, usually a
Speaker 1: competitor will come up. But I'm not really seeing a
Speaker 1: competitor there, So I'm sure there's some other ways and
Speaker 1: maybe some listeners will have alternatives to this. If you want,
Speaker 1: you can email me Hello at richontech dot tv. But Mike,
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna probably s many of your issues,
Speaker 1: especially with Amazon for recording those. So good question. Thanks
Speaker 1: for being the first caller there. Thanks a lot. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to Henry in Temecula. Henry, you're on with
Speaker 1: Rich Rich.
Speaker 5: Hello, thanks for taking my call. I've got a I'm
Speaker 5: using my laptop and I have a word pad program
Speaker 5: up and I did a lot of typing on it
Speaker 5: and I thought I had saved everything, but somehow I
Speaker 5: must have hit a hot key and I wiped everything
Speaker 5: out and I can't recover it. And I went to
Speaker 5: best Buy and spoke to one of the geeks there
Speaker 5: and they said, well, they happens to the best of us,
Speaker 5: and they don't have a recovery program either, and so
Speaker 5: you're my last hope to recover this thing.
Speaker 2: Oh man, So what was this document?
Speaker 5: No, there was just some typing. I was typing the
Speaker 5: story up and I had about ten pages over the
Speaker 5: course of a two weeks, and each time I got done,
Speaker 5: I would save it, and then when I came back
Speaker 5: to it, I was changing to another paragraph, and somehow,
Speaker 5: I guess my left hand must have touched one of
Speaker 5: the keys there and and disappeared right down.
Speaker 1: Okay, and so you couldn't You couldn't undo this, there's
Speaker 1: no undo okay. So now next time, if if you know,
Speaker 1: if you notice that you do this, obviously, just go
Speaker 1: for the undue. But if you got rid of this file,
Speaker 1: have you tried recovery? Are is this Windows?
Speaker 2: You said?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you go to the folder where these
Speaker 1: documents are typically saved, there might be a feature that
Speaker 1: can that can help you called restore previous versions. So
Speaker 1: if you go into the folder where you had these
Speaker 1: word pad documents saved, and if you don't know what
Speaker 1: folder that is, create a new word pad document, save
Speaker 1: it and see where it saves it, and then navigate
Speaker 1: to that folder in your Explorer and write click in
Speaker 1: there and see if you get an option that says
Speaker 1: restore previous versions. And so you might see the full
Speaker 1: the file in there. Perhaps. Now if it was I'm
Speaker 1: not sure where this went, I would check the recycle
Speaker 1: bin obviously to see if it's in the recycle bin,
Speaker 1: because that's like you know where everything goes. But if
Speaker 1: it's not in the recycle bin, and it's not in
Speaker 1: the folder, then I would go ahead and write click
Speaker 1: and see if you have that, restore previous versions, and
Speaker 1: you might see previous versions of the folder displayed if
Speaker 1: it did a save during that time. But it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: If I were you, I'd use Google Docs to start
Speaker 1: writing your documents so that everything is saved automatically and
Speaker 1: you can just go to Google Docs that is free
Speaker 1: and everything's in the cloud, because, believe me, you don't
Speaker 1: want to lose stuff. I know I've done it before myself,
Speaker 1: and like the Geek Squad said, it does happen to
Speaker 1: the best of us. All right, Henry, thanks for your question.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that. Henry in Temecula.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Coming up, we are going to talk about free TVs. Yes,
Speaker 1: there is a startup that wants to give away five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand free TVs this year. We'll talk about how
Speaker 1: you can get a free TV. Coming up here, you
Speaker 1: are listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich
Speaker 1: on Tech. Rich Demiro here talking technology with you at
Speaker 1: Triple eight. Rich one, Oh one eight eight eight seven.
Speaker 2: Four two four one zero one. If you have a.
Speaker 1: Question about technology, hop on the phone, give me a call.
Speaker 1: Website is rich on tech dot tv and the email
Speaker 1: address hello at richon tech dot TV. Well it's not
Speaker 1: every day that a startup takes the tech world by storm,
Speaker 1: but that's what happened this week when a company called
Speaker 1: Telly emerged from stealth to giveaway free TVs, free fifty
Speaker 1: five inch four K HDR TVs and really these are
Speaker 1: ad supported. So let's bring on Illi Opposen. He is
Speaker 1: the co founder of Pluto TV and very successful there
Speaker 1: and now is starting something new.
Speaker 2: Ilia. Thanks for joining me today, Thanks for having me Rich.
Speaker 1: All right, so this is something that you know, it
Speaker 1: sounds too good to be true, but can you kind
Speaker 1: of give the what Telly is going to do?
Speaker 2: Give us the breakdown here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe we'll help if I give you the
Speaker 3: origin story. So, you know, back back in the day
Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen, it came up with the idea for
Speaker 3: Pluto TV and we launched it in twenty fourteen. And
Speaker 3: you know, division there was to bring ad supported streaming
Speaker 3: in the world where it seemed like everyone was going
Speaker 3: to subscription you know, on demand paid services. What we
Speaker 3: looked at is we saw that cable companies were in
Speaker 3: fact double dipping, right they were charging the consumers, you know,
Speaker 3: a monthly fee for cable, and then you're also watching
Speaker 3: so much content you're actually generating over two hundred dollars
Speaker 3: worth of advertising per month, right for for the media
Speaker 3: companies and a cable company. So at Pluto, we sought
Speaker 3: to prove that you can actually run a sustainable business
Speaker 3: model by cutting one of those things out right, and
Speaker 3: everyone thought we were crazy. We launched in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: and then five years later, Paramount you know, swooped up
Speaker 3: the company and those has continued to grow tremendously and
Speaker 3: has you know, done over a billion dollars in revenue
Speaker 3: over eighty million years now. So you know, we proved
Speaker 3: out that you can run a very sustainable business and
Speaker 3: just ad alone.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on before you go, before you go further.
Speaker 1: You may not remember this, but I clearly remember this.
Speaker 1: You and I had lunch and you told me the
Speaker 1: idea for Pluto TV, and I was one of the
Speaker 1: people that did not believe you. I didn't understand it.
Speaker 1: I said, wait, what and Netflix is charging twenty dollars
Speaker 1: a month. How are you going to give away this stuff?
Speaker 1: And who's going to use it? And clearly I was
Speaker 1: wrong because we all know how the story goes after that.
Speaker 3: But anyway, continue, Yeah, yeah, actually I do remember our
Speaker 3: nice little Mexican Mexican lunch over there in LA. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so the idea with you know, with Telly is pretty
Speaker 3: much the same thing right right now, when you when
Speaker 3: you buy a television, you're paying money for the TV
Speaker 3: and it comes with advertising. So we're here to prove
Speaker 3: out the exact same same approach where let's cut out
Speaker 3: the hardware costs and let's build a TV that's actually
Speaker 3: completely better than any other TV on the market. Right
Speaker 3: right now, if you look at the TV industry, it's
Speaker 3: hit this commodity state. Let's be real that the TV
Speaker 3: is the largest screen in your home, but it's the dumbest,
Speaker 3: right Our phones, our computers, our tablets, there's so much
Speaker 3: smarter and they do so much more than what our
Speaker 3: TVs do. They're called smart TVs. But that that really
Speaker 3: happened over ten years ago, whenever Blu rays went online
Speaker 3: and TV started stringing content. But you know they're not
Speaker 3: they don't do much more than just you know, just
Speaker 3: it's like a big screen in your home that just
Speaker 3: shows content. Right, So we wanted to prove out that
Speaker 3: we can build the world's smartest television. So don't be
Speaker 3: fooled by the by the price tag or free. It's
Speaker 3: not a low, low budget TV at all whatsoever. It's
Speaker 3: very high quality and in fact, to us, so much
Speaker 3: more than your television currently does. Right, We've got you know,
Speaker 3: it's got a second screen. So while you watch TV,
Speaker 3: if we show you, you know, sports scores and weather
Speaker 3: and stocks, and if a movie is on, we show
Speaker 3: you actor information. Let's say you're watching sports, we pull
Speaker 3: up scores from around the country and imagine your fantasy
Speaker 3: sports right there front and center. Right. So, so our
Speaker 3: TVs go well beyond screaming. And in fact, they also
Speaker 3: have a camera that lets you do zoom calling. Right,
Speaker 3: you can call your friends and watch TV together from
Speaker 3: across the country. Got a full assistant, over fifty video games,
Speaker 3: and so much more. So you know, Telly's shipping over
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand units this year. And yeah, we're disrupting
Speaker 3: the price point, we're also disrupting the product by building
Speaker 3: by far the world's smartest TV in the market.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me just paint a picture of what
Speaker 1: this TV physically looks like. So it's a fifty five
Speaker 1: in four K HD TV, So it's a display on top,
Speaker 1: then there's a soundbar, and then below that is the
Speaker 1: smart screen. And that smart screen is what you're referring
Speaker 1: to that has sort of like the sports scores, and
Speaker 1: there's also advertising on that screen. So advertising is a
Speaker 1: big part of this plan. Can you explain the role
Speaker 1: that advertising plays in this entire free TV?
Speaker 3: Yeah, very very similar to Pluto, Right. The brands pay
Speaker 3: for the surface. That's why we're able to offer Pluto
Speaker 3: TV for free, because it's paid for by the brands.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: So in this case, there is an ad in the
Speaker 3: bottom right corner of that smart screen there. Takes up
Speaker 3: a small portion that screen, but it's there, right, And
Speaker 3: those the brands that show up there are covering the
Speaker 3: cost of the TV. We'll believe that that our business
Speaker 3: model is similar to Pluto. We don't have to double dick,
Speaker 3: we don't have to sell you the hardware. There's really
Speaker 3: no margin on TV sales hardware anyway, right, so might
Speaker 3: as well give it away. For free, we're able to
Speaker 3: capture a much bigger chunk of the markets, much quicker
Speaker 3: like we do with Pluro, and build a much stronger product.
Speaker 3: So the ads are there, they're relevant, they're there to
Speaker 3: support the business model, and that's kind of the value exchange, right,
Speaker 3: And we know it's already happening, right. TV makers are
Speaker 3: selling you a TV right now and then showing your advertising. Right,
Speaker 3: So we said, let's just cut out the sales part
Speaker 3: of it. Let's give away the hardware and let the
Speaker 3: product be fully supported by the app.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people may or may not realize that. When you
Speaker 1: get a smart TV, typically there's something called automatic content
Speaker 1: recognition that is sort of seeing what you're using the
Speaker 1: TV to watch, and then the companies are selling that
Speaker 1: data to third parties to sell you ads against that data.
Speaker 1: Is that is that all kind of true?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's completely right, And they kind of they're kind
Speaker 3: of a pike about it. You really don't know, right.
Speaker 3: The difference with us is we're fully transparent. We tell
Speaker 3: you we do it like the others, and then in
Speaker 3: fact we compensate you for it with a free TV.
Speaker 1: And I guess people don't mind because you put out
Speaker 1: a pressure release, you said you had over one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand sign ups in the first thirty six hours. You're
Speaker 1: planning to give away five hundred thousand free TVs this
Speaker 1: year year and then in twenty twenty four millions of TVs.
Speaker 1: So how can people Well, I guess my first My
Speaker 1: other question is was there anything in the news. There's
Speaker 1: so much reporting about your company. Was there anything in
Speaker 1: the news that you sort of took issue with or
Speaker 1: your thought was not really fair that you want to
Speaker 1: you know, talk about.
Speaker 3: No, not at all. I think we've had amazing response.
Speaker 3: People really understood the product right, and and the other
Speaker 3: part in the in the initial sign ups that we
Speaker 3: saw that was phenomenal was that, you know, the type
Speaker 3: of consumer that was interested in Kelly is not they're
Speaker 3: they're not low income at all, right, They're they're actually,
Speaker 3: you know, very heavily indexing on gen Z and millennials
Speaker 3: and UH and in a higher income bracket than the
Speaker 3: overall population in the US. So I think people understand
Speaker 3: that this is you know, they're savvy, they get that
Speaker 3: this is a you know, a disruptive business model and
Speaker 3: and something that is going to resonate with a very
Speaker 3: large ton of the population.
Speaker 1: And also something that's interesting that you kind of picked
Speaker 1: up on with Pluto TV. Back in the day when
Speaker 1: everyone was doing paid streaming, you were kind of a
Speaker 1: pioneer of what we now call the fast the free
Speaker 1: ad supported streaming services, where now people are like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm paying too much for all these services.
Speaker 1: I don't mind a couple of commercials like the good
Speaker 1: old days of TV, where I will get this for
Speaker 1: either less money or for free. So I think there
Speaker 1: is a little bit of you know, people are kind
Speaker 1: of pulling back on some of the spending with these
Speaker 1: streaming services.
Speaker 3: That's right. And now if you look at the industry,
Speaker 3: even though Pluto was there first and everyone thought we
Speaker 3: were completely crazy, now literally every single media company including Google, Amazon,
Speaker 3: and now Disney actually you know, announced they're going there.
Speaker 3: They're launching that supported streaming service as well. So everyone's
Speaker 3: now even though everyone disagree with us, they're now doing
Speaker 3: they're not in that same business. So and we believe
Speaker 3: Kelly's going to do the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: All right, We're chatting with Illi Opposen, the founder of Telly,
Speaker 1: which is giving away free TVs. The website is freetelly
Speaker 1: dot com. I'll link that up on my website at
Speaker 1: richon Tech dot tv. So Ellio, you fill out the form,
Speaker 1: you give some information. What's my chances of actually getting
Speaker 1: one of these TVs? And when would I get it?
Speaker 3: I mean, the chances are pretty good. We're making a
Speaker 3: lot of them. We're starting to ship our initial units
Speaker 3: this summer. So I jump right on that. Go to
Speaker 3: the website and fill it out. Make sure you get
Speaker 3: your spot in our in our in our queue.
Speaker 1: And is there any restrictions on how I can use
Speaker 1: this TV? I know you've got the HDMI ports on
Speaker 1: the back. Can I plug in my own streaming service?
Speaker 1: Do I have to use something that.
Speaker 3: You do or what? No, not at all. It's it's
Speaker 3: a standard TV. You can watch whatever you want, plug
Speaker 3: in any devices. We have three hdiports, you know. We
Speaker 3: we want you to watch whatever you want on this TV.
Speaker 3: We don't even need you, you know, to be in
Speaker 3: our operating system anything like that. And we're there to
Speaker 3: provide you enhancements on your content viewing and and not
Speaker 3: restrict you from doing anything that you want.
Speaker 1: And what about the second screen? People I've read say, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to cover it up. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to look at it is that. I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you make of that whole situation.
Speaker 3: I mean it's once you see it in you that
Speaker 3: your viewpoint will be completely different, right, So it completely
Speaker 3: enhances your content viewing experience. It's there to support you.
Speaker 3: We have data that over eighty percent of consumers while
Speaker 3: they watch TV, they have their phone or computer out anyway, right,
Speaker 3: So we put a lot of that information that you're
Speaker 3: looking at on your phone right there front and center,
Speaker 3: so you're less distracted. The add are a much a
Speaker 3: very small chunk of that of that device. But we
Speaker 3: even want a step further, and we put all the
Speaker 3: controls that you typically see overlaying the top screen, like
Speaker 3: when you put volume up and down, and when you're
Speaker 3: trying to change inputs from one HDMI to the other
Speaker 3: or switch your settings. All that now happens on that
Speaker 3: bottom smart screen. So we cleaned up the top screen.
Speaker 3: We call it a theater display. That's clean, and the
Speaker 3: bottom screen has all your controls, all this strau you know,
Speaker 3: information and support against what you're watching to really help
Speaker 3: and enhance that content viewing experience. So first of all,
Speaker 3: you won't want to cover it right such, and you
Speaker 3: really can't because that's where all your controls are. So
Speaker 3: we've built this in a way that that you know,
Speaker 3: it completely makes your TV dealing experience better. I've been
Speaker 3: using it at my house alone for about four or
Speaker 3: five months, and I can just tell you it's very
Speaker 3: hard to go back to it to kind of standard
Speaker 3: boring dune display.
Speaker 1: Eliahposen, We're going to leave it there. Thanks so much
Speaker 1: for joining me today. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me Rich all right, If
Speaker 3: you want.
Speaker 1: The website, it's free Telly dot com, or just go
Speaker 1: to rich on Tech dot tv look for show number twenty.
Speaker 1: It is linked up in the notes. Get on the
Speaker 1: list for a free TV. You are listening to rich
Speaker 1: on Tech. More of your calls at triple eight rich
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Speaker 1: back with you here. Rich on Tech phone numbers triple
Speaker 1: eight rich one oh one. That's eight eight eight seven
Speaker 1: two four to one zero one. Phase is in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Am I saying that right?
Speaker 6: That's correct?
Speaker 7: Sir?
Speaker 2: Hey, how you doing good?
Speaker 6: Good?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. What can I help you with?
Speaker 6: Uh, that's kind a quick question for you. I have
Speaker 6: a link smart home hub. Last shooters working fine, last
Speaker 6: few months, has been having issue on and off, like
Speaker 6: it goes out of service for.
Speaker 8: Like weeks, maybe a month.
Speaker 6: Right now it's down for service again and just kind
Speaker 6: of like set up with it. Trying to figure out
Speaker 6: what's the next step to change that zwave hub to
Speaker 6: something else?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you want to you want to switch to
Speaker 1: something yeah? Well okay, so you're using wink, which what
Speaker 1: kind of stuff do you have connected to this?
Speaker 6: Uh? That zbay switches like ge or Slovania, lightblubs.
Speaker 2: Okay, so lights, a couple of plugs and everything is
Speaker 2: is what zigb or what? Oh? Z wave? Okay, got it?
Speaker 2: Z wave?
Speaker 1: So so I'm looking at let's see, so you got
Speaker 1: wing and I'm looking at their Twitter and like every
Speaker 1: other tweet is basically we're having issues.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of what you've been experiencing. Huh.
Speaker 6: Yes, I mean it's a munchy service. So I don't
Speaker 6: mind paying five bucks a month, but you know, want
Speaker 6: it out and running.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. Okay, So have you heard of
Speaker 2: something called matter?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's what I think you need to look into.
Speaker 1: So matter is the new smart home standard that is
Speaker 1: adopted by everyone. So Google's on board. These are names
Speaker 1: you don't really hear in the same sentence very often.
Speaker 1: Google's on board, Apples on board, Samsung's on board. Did
Speaker 1: I get them all?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 1: So when you have all three of the major tech
Speaker 1: companies on board, all of the devices are now going
Speaker 1: to work to get other And it's really quite incredible
Speaker 1: because in my home now I've started to try out
Speaker 1: some of these things with Matter and it's it's really
Speaker 1: really nice because A you don't have to pay a
Speaker 1: monthly fee like you're paying with Wink, and B all
Speaker 1: you need is a MATTER controller to start working with
Speaker 1: these devices. And the MATTER is kind of built into
Speaker 1: a lot of the main devices. So the Apple the
Speaker 1: four K, sorry, the Apple TV has it, the Amazon
Speaker 1: Echo has it, the Google Nest has it. Samsung you
Speaker 1: can get a Smart Things hub that has it. Even
Speaker 1: some of their TVs and refrigerators have it. So as
Speaker 1: long as you have one device on your network that
Speaker 1: is kind of a matter hub, everything else works with
Speaker 1: that Matter. Now some of the devices you have may
Speaker 1: get updates to work with Matter. So one of the
Speaker 1: plugs I had in my home was a home Kit plug,
Speaker 1: and then I did a software update and now it's
Speaker 1: magically a Matter plug. And what's really nice about it
Speaker 1: is you can of pick and choose. You no longer
Speaker 1: have to look on the packaging of these smart home
Speaker 1: products to see like, Okay, this one works with Google,
Speaker 1: this one works with Alexa, this one works with HomeKit.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: As long as it says Matter, it's going to work
Speaker 1: across the board with everything. So that's what I would
Speaker 1: be looking for. Number One, you can look in your home.
Speaker 1: Do you have an Echo? Do you have a Google Nest?
Speaker 1: Do you have an Apple TV? If you have one
Speaker 1: of those devices, you're already on board with this Matter situation,
Speaker 1: and all you have to do is kind of enable
Speaker 1: it and just get it up and running. And then
Speaker 1: it's a matter of I'm saying Matter a lot, it's
Speaker 1: a matter of just getting these devices on board with it.
Speaker 1: And so some of them may not work with the
Speaker 1: new network, some of them may. And so that's what
Speaker 1: I look into. Matter is the future. It's super super easy.
Speaker 1: You basically the plug that I connected once I upgraded
Speaker 1: the software. Literally, I opened the Google Home app and
Speaker 1: I said, hey, do you want to connect this plug
Speaker 1: to your network? And I said, wow, that was so easy.
Speaker 1: Other times you may just have to scan a QR
Speaker 1: code on the device itself. It is all so much
Speaker 1: easier than anything I've seen in the past. It's brand new,
Speaker 1: so it's not going to be you know, you talk
Speaker 1: to a couple people, they may not even have heard
Speaker 1: of this yet, but it is the future of everything
Speaker 1: in the home. After all, these companies were fighting for
Speaker 1: market share for the past you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: ten years of gadgets. They finally sat down and said,
Speaker 1: you know what, We're gonna stop fighting. We're gonna make
Speaker 1: everything work together. So you can choose the app that
Speaker 1: you want to use to control everything, whether that's Apple,
Speaker 1: whether that is Google Home, whether that's the Alexa app,
Speaker 1: and then you can actually choose the devices you want
Speaker 1: from the brands you want, and they will all work together.
Speaker 1: This is not something you need to do overnight. Maybe
Speaker 1: continue with the Wink, you know, but realize that if
Speaker 1: you're paying that five bucks a month whatever they're charging
Speaker 1: you for that begin to start to think about how
Speaker 1: you can switch over to this matter stuff, but it
Speaker 1: makes life a whole lot easier, much more reliable, and
Speaker 1: you can rea up about it on the web. But
Speaker 1: it's a little complicated because there's two terms. There's something
Speaker 1: called matter and there's also something called thread, which sort
Speaker 1: of powers matter.
Speaker 2: So that's where it gets a little weird.
Speaker 1: But as long as you know about those things and
Speaker 1: start to research, you can definitely find some the products
Speaker 1: are all going to work together. So good question, and
Speaker 1: sorry you're going through some smart home issues. That's always frustrating,
Speaker 1: all right. I did want to address this whole TikTok
Speaker 1: ban in Montana, first state to ban the use of
Speaker 1: TikTok Montana. Yes, they are saying they're going to protect
Speaker 1: Montana's personal, private, and sensitive data from being gathered by
Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party. So they signed a law that
Speaker 1: bans TikTok from operating in Montana. This will take effect
Speaker 1: on January first. Now it is too early to say
Speaker 1: whether this will actually happen, how it's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and what the penalty is going to be. So according
Speaker 1: to the new law, if TikTok is on the app store,
Speaker 1: they would be liable for fines of ten thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a day for violating this law. Individual TikTok users won't
Speaker 1: be punished. So if you have TikTok on your phone
Speaker 1: in Montana, yeah you can use it, but you won't
Speaker 1: be fined. But if this state gets really serious about this,
Speaker 1: they may block TikTok at the network level, which means
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to log on. Now, this is
Speaker 1: very very new, this is very very complicated. We've never
Speaker 1: really seen something like this with an app. We've seen websites,
Speaker 1: we've seen things that you may not be able to access,
Speaker 1: but typically the only place I've seen this happen is
Speaker 1: in China. When I visited China, you know, I couldn't
Speaker 1: access Facebook, couldn't access Twitter. So the fact that this
Speaker 1: is happening in the US is definitely very odd. First
Speaker 1: Amendment may be a challenge to that. Brich On Tech
Speaker 1: eight to eight rich one oh one. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what to say it this point. It's just such
Speaker 1: a weird thing.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Welcome back to rich on Tech.
Speaker 1: Rich DeMuro here hanging out talking technology with you at
Speaker 1: Triple eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven
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Speaker 1: com is the website. Everything is linked up on my
Speaker 1: website rich on Tech dot tv. I'm doing a very
Speaker 1: nice job with the show notes today, so please I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pat myself on the back there for that. You
Speaker 1: can follow me on social media. I am at rich
Speaker 1: on Tech. I'm on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. On Instagram
Speaker 1: this week posted a couple of fun things, including an
Speaker 1: automated bartender called the Rowtender. You got to see what
Speaker 1: you think about this. It mixes up drinks in twenty
Speaker 1: seconds or less. This is a startup that it almost
Speaker 1: looks like a bartending jukebox. So you decide what you
Speaker 1: want on this little touchscreen. It spins around, there's lights flashing.
Speaker 1: It's a really a cool little show, and then it
Speaker 1: spits out your drink. That doesn't sound good. You don't
Speaker 1: you don't want a machine to spit out your drink.
Speaker 1: It dispenses your drink. Spit out would be kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Right then, I've got my most controversial post of the week.
Speaker 1: These classic cars that they get redone and made into
Speaker 1: electric cars. And you don't know how controversial this is
Speaker 1: until you post an Instagram video about it. People don't
Speaker 1: necessarily like that. Some think it's really cool something that
Speaker 1: you're ruining the classic car experience. So anyway, that's all
Speaker 1: my Instagram at rich on Tech. Let's go to an email.
Speaker 1: Alex says, Hey, Rich can you recommend free a free
Speaker 1: Gmail third party application?
Speaker 2: Just using web? Gmail is not user friendly? Okay, you
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 1: I will tell you my answer to this, but before
Speaker 1: I do, I will tell you I also think that
Speaker 1: Gmail on the web is the best way to use Gmail.
Speaker 1: And the reason for that is because Gmail does things
Speaker 1: in a weird way when it comes to your email,
Speaker 1: the way it files things, the way you can snooze stuff,
Speaker 1: the way that it goes into different categories and labels.
Speaker 1: So I still think that the standard web application is
Speaker 1: the best. Now, I do think that it can be
Speaker 1: slow on certain computers. My old computer, Gmail was really
Speaker 1: really slow and it got very annoying. So I did
Speaker 1: try switching to a third part app, third party application,
Speaker 1: but I always go back to the web app because
Speaker 1: it just seems to be the easiest for me, and
Speaker 1: it takes advantage of all those Gmail features. So you
Speaker 1: want something that's free, Let's start with what's built into
Speaker 1: your computer. So whether you have Windows or a Mac,
Speaker 1: you've got a mail program that is built in. So
Speaker 1: just on Windows or Mac, just search Mail and it
Speaker 1: will bring up the program. You log in with your
Speaker 1: Gmail and you can check your Gmail on there. It's
Speaker 1: built in. There's nothing you have to download. It's pretty simple. Now,
Speaker 1: if you want to step it up from there, you
Speaker 1: can download Outlook. And so Outlook is I know it's
Speaker 1: free on the Mac. I'm not sure if it's free
Speaker 1: on Windows, but I think it's I know it's free
Speaker 1: on Mac. So you can download Outlook. Or you could
Speaker 1: even just use Outlook on the web and still log
Speaker 1: into your Gmail account if you want to do that. Now,
Speaker 1: I think that gets kind of weird because you're using
Speaker 1: Outlook but you're checking your Gmail. So but you know,
Speaker 1: to each his own, you can do that. If you
Speaker 1: like Mozilla, they are the makers of Firefox. They have
Speaker 1: a free open source cross platform email program called Thunderbird
Speaker 1: and Underbird. It has been around for a very long time.
Speaker 1: It's free, it works on Windows, it works on Mac
Speaker 1: and I haven't used this personally, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: a popular email program because it's free and it's from Mozilla,
Speaker 1: so they do all the research, they do all the
Speaker 1: open source stuff, so it's secure. It's been around for
Speaker 1: nineteen years. So if you want that, you can download
Speaker 1: that from the thunderbird dot net website. And then there
Speaker 1: are some more specialized apps. So there are apps called Spark,
Speaker 1: Spark Mail, there is something called Edison Mail, and there's
Speaker 1: something called Newton. And all of these apps are going
Speaker 1: to cost you a little bit. So that's the only
Speaker 1: thing you said you wanted free. These may cost you something. Now,
Speaker 1: there are some features you can get for free on
Speaker 1: these and you can check that out on their websites.
Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes they kind of push you to
Speaker 1: the freemium plan, which is, okay, we'll give you this
Speaker 1: for free, but you may have to pay to uh,
Speaker 1: you know, to get all the features. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: a great guest on a little bit, Jared Newman. He
Speaker 1: writes a very nice newsletter called Advisorator, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask him what his favorite free email app. I'll put
Speaker 1: him on the spot because he kind of knows a
Speaker 1: lot about that kind of stuff. So great question, Alex.
Speaker 1: There you have it all right, phone number triple eight
Speaker 1: rich one oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four
Speaker 1: to two four to one zero one. This week was
Speaker 1: the third annual Go Get Go Get, that's what they
Speaker 1: call it from Uber. It's their annual product showcase where
Speaker 1: they showed off a whole bunch of new features. And
Speaker 1: let me go through some of those features. Because Uber
Speaker 1: is a very popular product around the world and it
Speaker 1: just continues to evolve. So first up, this is a
Speaker 1: big one. It's called family profiles. Now, teenagers have been
Speaker 1: taking Uber for a long time, but I guess maybe
Speaker 1: the driver has to look the other way or the
Speaker 1: parent has to get the ride for them.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: My kids are too young to take Uber by themselves,
Speaker 1: so I'm not really sure how it works what the
Speaker 1: age limits are. But now, for the first time, teens
Speaker 1: can have their own profile underneath a guardian's account. So
Speaker 1: you can go in as a parent and set up
Speaker 1: a family profile for your kid and kids thirteen to
Speaker 1: seventeen can now have their kind of their own account,
Speaker 1: but it's under your account, and Uber says they're only
Speaker 1: going to used experienced and highly rated drivers to have
Speaker 1: these trips with teens, and every driver on the flip
Speaker 1: side has the ability to opt out, so if they
Speaker 1: want to be carrying kids around all the day, they
Speaker 1: don't have to. There are all the safety features in place.
Speaker 1: They've got live trip tracking, which means, as the parent,
Speaker 1: you can track the trip's progress so you can see
Speaker 1: where your kid is at all times. Of course, there's support.
Speaker 1: This is going to start on May twenty second, so
Speaker 1: don't don't open the app up and try just yet.
Speaker 1: It's gonna take a couple of days for this to
Speaker 1: be in there. And the other thing that the kids
Speaker 1: can do, I call them kids, but I guess they're teens.
Speaker 1: They can also link up an Uber Eats account underneath
Speaker 1: your account.
Speaker 2: Now what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Kids are gonna be ordering a whole lot of food
Speaker 1: on your credit card? Yep, so mom and dad are
Speaker 1: paying for this, the guardian is paying for this. But
Speaker 1: you know, you can decide how much they want to
Speaker 1: spend directly in the app. So that's the family profile,
Speaker 1: which I think will be a big help. I told
Speaker 1: my kidd he's eleven. I said, oh, two more years,
Speaker 1: and I'm not driving you around anymore. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: Uber for you, buddy. Uber car seat. This is something
Speaker 1: that I know sounds a little weird, but my wife
Speaker 1: and I dealt with this when we had our little
Speaker 1: ones when they were very little, and we would visit
Speaker 1: New York City and we would take Uber to the
Speaker 1: airport or whatever. And you know, you either have to
Speaker 1: take around one of these like blow up car seats,
Speaker 1: I forget what they call it, like a bubble seat
Speaker 1: or something, or you would have to just have your
Speaker 1: kid kind of like you know, you'd be like, uh uh,
Speaker 1: we can't anyway, I'm not going to get into that part.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'd be like, yeah, they're sixty five pounds. Kid
Speaker 1: is like two now, I'm just kidding. Or you have
Speaker 1: to bring around a car seat basically, and then the
Speaker 1: Uber gets to your house, you're latching in this car seat.
Speaker 2: It was a whole big thing.
Speaker 1: And I know, before you say rich, I mean, really
Speaker 1: you got to take your kid that's you know, one
Speaker 1: years old in an Uber. Yes, sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: if you're traveling, so beginning in New York City and
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Uber car Seat is now an option. It
Speaker 1: lets you request and reserve a ride with a car
Speaker 1: seat in the car already. So that's for kids from
Speaker 1: five to sixty five pounds, so that's kind of a
Speaker 1: nice thing. And then the other new feature is this
Speaker 1: phone number. For the first time ever, you can use
Speaker 1: a phone number to book an Uber. The phone number
Speaker 1: is one eight three three use Uber. Again, that's an
Speaker 1: eight three to three number. You don't really hear about
Speaker 1: those very often, So you can call this phone number
Speaker 1: and they will help you book the ride. And before
Speaker 1: you say rich, I mean really, who doesn't have a smartphone?
Speaker 1: Who doesn't have an Uber app? I mean there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there that may not, or maybe
Speaker 1: it's just a one time thing, or maybe it's you know,
Speaker 1: your grandparent or someone that needs a ride just one
Speaker 1: time and they don't do Uber all the time. So
Speaker 1: now anyone can use this, So eight three three use Uber.
Speaker 1: Now here's the problem. I think there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: fraud with this because there are going to be scam
Speaker 1: artists that play upon this phone number. They're going to
Speaker 1: set up numbers that sound very similar to the Uber number,
Speaker 1: and people are going to call them and they're going
Speaker 1: to give their credit card, and that credit card number
Speaker 1: is going to get stolen. So be very careful if
Speaker 1: you're going to use this. Know the phone number again,
Speaker 1: it's eight three to three. Use Uber, write it down,
Speaker 1: look it up, note it. If you're going to ever
Speaker 1: use this, do not dial a random number that you
Speaker 1: find online because it may not be legitimate. So the
Speaker 1: other cool feature I thought that Uber introduced Uber Boat.
Speaker 2: This is in Greece.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have an Uber boat that you can book
Speaker 1: directly through the app. You can have up to eight
Speaker 1: people cruising popular destinations around the island.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, do I know how to say this?
Speaker 2: How do you say this?
Speaker 1: Mik and Os and Greece. I should know how to
Speaker 1: say that. I never saw my big fat Greek wedding,
Speaker 1: so I should know how to pronounce that.
Speaker 2: But now I just thought of a good idea. I
Speaker 2: gotta go to Greece to try this out. Who's coming
Speaker 2: with me? Let's go.
Speaker 1: I've never been. I know it's pretty nice, all right,
Speaker 1: So there's all the updates on Uber Once again. I'm
Speaker 1: writing all of this stuff down on my website. Rich
Speaker 1: on Tech dot TV. All right, coming up on the show,
Speaker 1: we've got a lot more to talk about. We've got
Speaker 1: Jared Newman. He writes a newsletter called Advisorator. He's going
Speaker 1: to talk to us about the plan to make passwords obsolete.
Speaker 1: This is something new that you can enable through Google
Speaker 1: and some other websites. So he'll talk about that and later.
Speaker 1: Christina Warren film Girl on Twitter is gonna reminisce about
Speaker 1: the good old days of BlackBerry.
Speaker 2: I have seen the movie. It is excellent.
Speaker 1: It really exceeded my expectations. So we'll talk about the
Speaker 1: the good old days of bbming and pins and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Plus lots more to talk about. On the
Speaker 1: news front, there is the first official chat GPT app
Speaker 1: for iOS. Yes, I'll tell you how to download that,
Speaker 1: and of course your calls at Triple eight rich one
Speaker 1: oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four.
Speaker 2: To two, four to one zero one. My name is
Speaker 2: Rich Dmiro. I'm booking a flight to Grease. You are
Speaker 2: listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech.
Speaker 1: Rich Demiro here hanging out with you talking technology at
Speaker 1: Triple eight Rich one oh one, that's eight eight eight
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Speaker 1: William in Costa Mesa. William, you're on with Rich.
Speaker 2: William. You're there, Okay, let's see.
Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm doing something wrong here, Okay, William, Hello, Hello, William,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Okay, we'll put you on hold
Speaker 1: here and let's go to Stephen in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Steven, are you there, I'm here, there you go. It's
Speaker 2: not me, see, it's it's not me, it's them exactly.
Speaker 8: I'd love to go to Greece, by the way, I
Speaker 8: you know what I said.
Speaker 2: I was going to book a flight, but let's see.
Speaker 2: Let's just see how much Greece is right now. It's
Speaker 2: a lot. Travel is very expensive these days. Have you noticed?
Speaker 8: What about taking an uber boat all away to Greece?
Speaker 9: You know what?
Speaker 1: That would be extremely expensive, But I'd love to. I
Speaker 1: really think I can convince you know, the powers that
Speaker 1: be that I need to try this uber boat. I mean,
Speaker 1: I could just see myself with those you know, isn't
Speaker 1: like the whole all the buildings like white in the
Speaker 1: background with the blue and me on the boat with
Speaker 1: whatever they drink over there and Greece. Anyway, I'm getting
Speaker 1: out of my Uh, let's see what do you need
Speaker 1: help with today?
Speaker 8: So you know, I deal with a lot of data
Speaker 8: and I'm very new to NASH back up and redumancy.
Speaker 8: So my questions are I've been looking at i mean,
Speaker 8: making deals at the de waste cycling place except what
Speaker 8: all you know? Let me just put some hot drives
Speaker 8: in it and set up a mash. So I want
Speaker 8: to do I've been looking at something called two nats
Speaker 8: and plausibly checking up, setting up a second to act
Speaker 8: as a redundanty to back up the backup. What would
Speaker 8: you recommend?
Speaker 1: So are you trying to do this all yourself or
Speaker 1: are you trying to get a product that you can
Speaker 1: use for this?
Speaker 8: Well, I know two NASS is on software that you
Speaker 8: can download and you can inspire. I know there's something
Speaker 8: like you know, sonology, and yeah, you know, I've looked
Speaker 8: at both directions and I sort of enjoyed the di
Speaker 8: wise more than I enjoy the ready to go package.
Speaker 8: So I guess it's a two part question. One is
Speaker 8: what do you think the two nats. And the second
Speaker 8: part is I set up like a second as purely
Speaker 8: for the purposes.
Speaker 1: Of backing up the first Well, I love that you're
Speaker 1: thinking about backing up everything, So I mean I think
Speaker 1: that that's uh, you know, it's very important in today's
Speaker 1: day and age.
Speaker 2: Is this for sort of enterprise or is this for
Speaker 2: just personal personal?
Speaker 8: But I do a lot of stuff at home, so
Speaker 8: my data is let's say, one hundred terbles.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you got a lot. Okay, that's all a lot.
Speaker 8: So like I decided for all the smaller hard drive
Speaker 8: and get big one. Okay, So the idea is less
Speaker 8: drives more data.
Speaker 6: Right, So.
Speaker 8: In the same principle, if I have backup to that,
Speaker 8: I need somewhat equivalment to be on the other side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, because if you're doing one hundred you
Speaker 2: said one hundred terabytes? Yes, wow, what do you've got
Speaker 2: on all this stuff?
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a photo collection, but I'm only
Speaker 1: up to like three terabytes.
Speaker 8: Photos, movie, you know, and obviously some work stuff and
Speaker 8: just you know, just think with.
Speaker 1: Twenty years how much that Oh yeah, it's and the
Speaker 1: problem is with me especially, I went through this morning.
Speaker 1: I was looking at my Google Drive and it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to delete anything. And then this is
Speaker 1: the best part. I was literally looking for an address
Speaker 1: that I've had for ten years in my Google Drive
Speaker 1: and it's the one thing that I mistakenly deleted.
Speaker 2: So I'm not kidding. It was not even anywhere to
Speaker 2: be found. Now.
Speaker 1: I know I've been sending a Christmas card to this
Speaker 1: person for like the past ten years. And I remember
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago we were going through to
Speaker 1: do our Christmas cards and I couldn't find our address list.
Speaker 2: I had thrown it out.
Speaker 1: And I guess once I threw it out, I go
Speaker 1: through this thing where I like empty the trash to
Speaker 1: and it says this warning like this all be deleted
Speaker 1: in thirty days, and I go, nah, I'll just delete
Speaker 1: it all right now, let's clean. Let's sweep it clean anyway,
Speaker 1: all right. So ans to your question, So when it
Speaker 1: comes to backing up one hundred percent, like what you're doing,
Speaker 1: I like the idea of doing this, and you've got
Speaker 1: a lot of data, so you can use an off
Speaker 1: the shelf product like Synology to do something. I have
Speaker 1: a little experience with the Synology just sort of the
Speaker 1: basic consumer NAS that they have, and NAS that's a
Speaker 1: fancy term for network attached storage, So that means that
Speaker 1: this is a small server that you sort of keep
Speaker 1: in your home. You know, if you work for a company,
Speaker 1: all that data that you're accessing on there, you know,
Speaker 1: you're navigating to these different folders and files on these servers.
Speaker 2: That's really a server that you can kind of have
Speaker 2: at home with this NAS.
Speaker 1: And so Snology is a big company that provides both,
Speaker 1: you know, consumer and prosumer solutions, and what you get
Speaker 1: from them would be a box that you can connect
Speaker 1: to your network with an Ethernet cable and then you
Speaker 1: go and you buy hard drives. Now, in this case
Speaker 1: one hundred terabyte drive. That's you know, that's going to
Speaker 1: be very expensive and you may need a couple of those.
Speaker 1: But what the Synology software does is it kind of
Speaker 1: makes sure that everything on those drives is mirrored. So
Speaker 1: let's say you have, like me, if I have five
Speaker 1: gigabytes or five terabytes of stuff, I'd had one drive
Speaker 1: in there that's ten terabytes. All of my data's on there,
Speaker 1: and then there'd be another drive or redundant drive that
Speaker 1: everything is continuously copied to that second drive. So something
Speaker 1: fails on that first drive, all the data is there
Speaker 1: on the second drive. So that's how that works. And
Speaker 1: then of course you want a backup that's somewhere not
Speaker 1: in your home, because what if something happened to your home,
Speaker 1: what if there's a flood. There are systems you can
Speaker 1: get that you can put these Synology drives in to
Speaker 1: keep them safe from fire and flood as well, but
Speaker 1: that's a whole other thing. As for the free software,
Speaker 1: I think Stephen, that you are a tinkerer. I think
Speaker 1: that you want to do this yourself, so I would
Speaker 1: go with the free software. A true NASS like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: is a very popular one. I have not used it personally,
Speaker 1: but I think that that's probably what you're going to
Speaker 1: go with because that's something that you want to build
Speaker 1: on your own, and I think that that's what you're
Speaker 1: going to be more most happy with. And that's a
Speaker 1: lot of data. That's a lot of stuff to keep
Speaker 1: backed up, so you're going to need some big hard
Speaker 1: drives for that. But I would do that and just
Speaker 1: continue to build this system the way that you want
Speaker 1: it and hopefully it'll continue to keep your stuff backed up.
Speaker 1: I don't think in your case with a hunterd terabytes,
Speaker 1: you can back that up off site. That's for sure,
Speaker 1: all right. I do want to mention before we get
Speaker 1: to our next guest, the chat GPT app for iOS.
Speaker 1: So chat GPT app for iOS is available. It's the
Speaker 1: first official app from chat GPT. You can now download
Speaker 1: it for the iPhone. I will put the link on
Speaker 1: my website because if you search for it, it may
Speaker 1: be tough to find and you may get an imitation app.
Speaker 1: So rich on Tech dot tv for that. Coming back
Speaker 1: right after this, Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich
Speaker 1: Demiro here talking technology with you. If you have a question,
Speaker 1: give me a call at triple eight Rich one oh one.
Speaker 1: That's eight eight eight seven four to two four to.
Speaker 2: One zero one shows. Moving along here.
Speaker 1: I just found my flight to Athens cheapest one I
Speaker 1: could find nine hundred ninety one bucks. No direct flights
Speaker 1: from lax but this is on a airline called air Transap.
Speaker 2: Never heard of that one.
Speaker 1: June third through seventh, So I guess I'll need a
Speaker 1: fill in for that weekend, or I guess I'll do
Speaker 1: the show from Athens. All right, on the show. Now
Speaker 1: joining me is Jared Newman one of my favorite newsletters.
Speaker 1: Most of the newsletters I get in my inbox, I
Speaker 1: just delete, like without reading them. Jared's never that never
Speaker 1: happens to his newsletter because it's so good.
Speaker 2: There's two of them.
Speaker 1: There's Cord Cutters Weekly and then there is Advisorator. Both
Speaker 1: of them are excellent. Jared, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 7: Hey, Rich, thanks for saying that. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Hey, last time you're on, I think we crashed your
Speaker 1: website because so many people were trying to subscribe. So
Speaker 1: let's hope to do that again.
Speaker 4: Yes, I did.
Speaker 7: I did upgrade my website, so hopefully that won't happen again. Oh.
Speaker 1: Perfect, Well, welcome to the show. So first off, let's
Speaker 1: what do you want to talk about? First, you want
Speaker 1: to talk about this idea of the passwordless future or
Speaker 1: do you want to.
Speaker 2: Talk about what do you want to talk about? I'm
Speaker 2: open at anything passwordless?
Speaker 1: All right, So this is a new feature, and I
Speaker 1: know we've heard about the idea of past you know,
Speaker 1: no passwords for so long now, and there's been many
Speaker 1: solutions in the past, but now we're getting a little
Speaker 1: step closer with Google. Can you explain what they did
Speaker 1: this in recent weeks.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so Google and Apple and Microsoft and a bunch
Speaker 7: of industry players have worked together on this system called
Speaker 7: past keys, And the way it works is traditionally, you
Speaker 7: want to sign up for a website, you create a password,
Speaker 7: and you give that password to the website. They store it,
Speaker 7: and then you have to enter that password to log in.
Speaker 7: The way that passkeys work is is kind of like
Speaker 7: a password, but it's stored on your device instead of
Speaker 7: stored with whatever website you're signing into. And so the
Speaker 7: best way to kind of think about it is you
Speaker 7: want to sign in to say eBay or what have you,
Speaker 7: You create a pass key on your phone, and then
Speaker 7: your phone says, hey, eBay, rich is who he says
Speaker 7: he is because we just checked his face ID, we've
Speaker 7: got his past key here, so let him into the website.
Speaker 7: So supposed to work really elegantly in the sense that
Speaker 7: there's no risk of your password being stolen in a
Speaker 7: security breach. Theoretically, if passwords don't exist anymore, then you're
Speaker 7: resistant to phishing attempts. And it's also just you don't
Speaker 7: have to member of password anymore generated in a password manager.
Speaker 7: So in theory, this is all going to make our
Speaker 7: password headaches go away.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go back to the eBay example. Okay,
Speaker 1: so don't I have to create an account with a
Speaker 1: password to begin or you're saying in the future, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't even have to do that. They would just say, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, scan a QR code on your phone or
Speaker 1: something to link this up your passcode on your phone
Speaker 1: to this site.
Speaker 2: How's that going to work?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So in the future that is the idea. Pretty
Speaker 7: much every version of password lists that you see today
Speaker 7: there is still a password. And in fact, if you
Speaker 7: go to eBay now.
Speaker 1: Wait, you're telling me that in the future with password lists,
Speaker 1: we still have a password.
Speaker 7: Well, I think they want to get rid of passwords
Speaker 7: over time. But you know, one thing, which is what
Speaker 7: I wrote about, is that the whole implementation right now
Speaker 7: is really messy and not really conducive to getting rid
Speaker 7: of passwords entirely. You're still going to need that fallback
Speaker 7: for a while, just because there's a a lot of
Speaker 7: areas where trying to log in with this passwordless system
Speaker 7: just falls apart, and so you still need the old ways.
Speaker 2: Okay, So who is supporting this?
Speaker 7: So Apple on the sort of the system level. Apple
Speaker 7: supports it, Google supports it on Android, and Microsoft supports it.
Speaker 7: One thing that gets a little tricky is just it's
Speaker 7: all tied to whatever ecosystem you're in. So let's say
Speaker 7: you're using an Android phone you want to sign into eBay.
Speaker 7: That passkey is stored in Android. You want to use
Speaker 7: an iPad to log into your eBay account. That gets
Speaker 7: a little messy in terms of how you access that passkey. Now,
Speaker 7: there's sort of like a Bluetooth QR code system where
Speaker 7: you need to transfer the passkey over, and there isn't
Speaker 7: really a way to switch all of your passkeys into
Speaker 7: a different ecosystem. So you know, if you have a
Speaker 7: password manager now, you use one password and you decide
Speaker 7: you want to switch to Orton, you can export all
Speaker 7: your passwords, move them over and just go about your business.
Speaker 7: There's nothing like that with passkeys now, So that is
Speaker 7: one thing that needs to be figured out. The other
Speaker 7: thing is just the way it works with all these
Speaker 7: sites is entirely different. If you want to create a
Speaker 7: passkey with best Buy, So if you go to log
Speaker 7: in a best Buy now, you'll see that their login
Speaker 7: page has a button that says sign in with passkey.
Speaker 2: That's cal passkey.
Speaker 7: You have to actually go deep into this account settings
Speaker 7: page and go find the option. It's almost like deliberately
Speaker 7: hidden out of the way so that normal people don't
Speaker 7: find it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking at some of the websites that support passkeys,
Speaker 1: according to Digital Trends, PayPal, Kayak, best Buy, eBay, go Daddy, Google,
Speaker 1: dash Lane, Safari, card pointers. That's not too many websites.
Speaker 1: But here's the other thing. So, because my phone is
Speaker 1: my passcode now or my past key, I should say
Speaker 1: what happens if I lose my phone.
Speaker 7: This riles me up because I think there are systems
Speaker 7: to recover your pass keys, but they're just not really
Speaker 7: very clearly documented. I think what's gonna happen in the
Speaker 7: future is the ideal. Ideally, you have more than one device, right,
Speaker 7: so if you lose your phone, maybe you use your
Speaker 7: laptop to kind of reauthenticate a new phone, or maybe
Speaker 7: you have some backup codes printed somewhere. As if your
Speaker 7: phone's only your only device, you have a contingency plan
Speaker 7: or like Apple has the concept of a trusted contact
Speaker 7: where you know, you go to your spouse or something
Speaker 7: and say, all right, this person can unlock my account
Speaker 7: if I lose my phone. But as it stands, it's
Speaker 7: just all of this is not really made clear to
Speaker 7: users when they're getting started, and that again comes back
Speaker 7: to we're still going to need these passwords, uh, to
Speaker 7: kind of mitigate all that. I actually just ran into
Speaker 7: this the other day because I did the Google pass
Speaker 7: key setup and I set it up on an Android device,
Speaker 7: and then I I went to log into a new
Speaker 7: site on my iPhone and the website wanted to connect
Speaker 7: with my Google account, and so when I went to
Speaker 7: do that, this app had its own like sort of
Speaker 7: in ap browser to connect to my Google account, so
Speaker 7: I had to do the whole signing system from scratch.
Speaker 7: And then Google recognized that I had a passkey, so
Speaker 7: it was like the default thing was sign in with
Speaker 7: your pass key, but the only way I could get
Speaker 7: that passkey from my Android phone was to display a
Speaker 7: QR code on the Android phone and scan it with
Speaker 7: my iPhone. And that's just like this is way too hard,
Speaker 7: Like I don't want to deal with any of that.
Speaker 7: So I ended up having to click through a bunch
Speaker 7: of options to get back to signing into my password.
Speaker 7: So I think that this whole idea is really sound.
Speaker 7: I don't want to sound like somebody that thinks this
Speaker 7: will not take off. I think eventually it will work,
Speaker 7: but just right now it's in this phase where there's
Speaker 7: a lot of industry excitement. It doesn't really match up
Speaker 7: with the reality of what people will experience when they
Speaker 7: go try to use it.
Speaker 2: Right off, like actually using it.
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is, so your phone, now remember
Speaker 1: these things, these little like USB devices like a UB
Speaker 1: key that you would plug in or you know, not
Speaker 1: even that it's it's like, remember there's like a device
Speaker 1: that would like display a code every like a two
Speaker 1: factor I mean, there's been so many things over the
Speaker 1: years to try to secure our accounts. So what they're
Speaker 1: saying is your phone is sort of your security code now,
Speaker 1: like it's it's your phone. If you have your phone,
Speaker 1: you should be able to sign into a place without
Speaker 1: thinking about a password.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. I think the idea is that you
Speaker 7: get rid of these two factor authentication steps. Because you
Speaker 7: have your phone, you unlock it with your face or
Speaker 7: your fingerprint, and that sufficiently proves who you are. At
Speaker 7: least that's that's the idea. In theory. There is some
Speaker 7: some nitpicking over the fact that you can get in
Speaker 7: with a pin and if somebody steals your pin, you're
Speaker 7: in trouble. So it's like, again, there's just a lot
Speaker 7: of layers here, and even me just trying to wrap
Speaker 7: my head around. Okay, I've got you know, I've got
Speaker 7: three pas keys now stored in my Best Guy account
Speaker 7: because I've got three different device ecosystems, and then there's
Speaker 7: another set of passkeys for Google. And it's just like
Speaker 7: this is hard for me even as a techie.
Speaker 1: It so bottom line, and I've got just about a
Speaker 1: minute here, So do you recommend people set this up
Speaker 1: or just kind of sit and wait on this.
Speaker 7: I think if you're kind of experimental about it and
Speaker 7: want to give it a try, you can. Again, the
Speaker 7: passwords aren't going away, so there's not like a huge risk,
Speaker 7: but you might run into some of these things like
Speaker 7: I ran into where your pass is stored on one
Speaker 7: device and you get to jump through an extra hoop
Speaker 7: to like not use that pass key, but you're not
Speaker 7: going to get locked out of your account as is.
Speaker 7: As a result in that, all.
Speaker 1: Right, switching gears real quick before we got to go,
Speaker 1: how do we get free Apple TV Plus?
Speaker 7: I sent you a few links. Basically, there's all these
Speaker 7: three months or two month free trials out there. Apple
Speaker 7: just launched a two month trial. Best Buy and Target
Speaker 7: have had them for ages now, and you would think
Speaker 7: with these trials you could only redeem them once. My
Speaker 7: experience has been if you kind of cycle through them,
Speaker 7: you can just kind of keep redeeming them. I'm a
Speaker 7: little hesitant about saying this on a huge radio show,
Speaker 7: but so far I haven't paid for Apple TV yet.
Speaker 7: I've watched pretty much everything that I wanted to watch
Speaker 7: over the past couple of years.
Speaker 1: I'm always surprised, and I've been using your chord Cutter
Speaker 1: sign up codes that come in your newsletter to sign
Speaker 1: up for Paramount Plus. I must have signed up now
Speaker 1: three or four times, and every single time I'm surprised
Speaker 1: that it continues to work. But now that I said this,
Speaker 1: guess what, It'll probably stop working.
Speaker 7: Well. See, I'm always just as surprised as you.
Speaker 1: Are, all right, So I put all the links to everything.
Speaker 1: Jared Newman of Advisorator, thanks so much for joining me today.
Speaker 1: I'm putting all the links on the website. What's the
Speaker 1: best way for folks to get in.
Speaker 2: Touch with you.
Speaker 7: Oh, if you want to sign up for chord Cutter Weekly,
Speaker 7: it's just Chordcutterweekly dot com and you'll get a welcome
Speaker 7: email from me, so you can always just reply to
Speaker 7: that get in touch.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks so much for joining me today. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Yeah, thanks, Rich all right. Jared Newman of
Speaker 1: Advisorator put him on the website. So if you go
Speaker 1: to rich on tech dot tv you can get the
Speaker 1: links to everything we just talked about. Past keys to
Speaker 1: sign up for the newsletter, and of course how to
Speaker 1: get free Apple TV. Plus I'm paying like thirty three
Speaker 1: dollars a month for all those Apple services, and I'm
Speaker 1: really trying to like cut down on that because I
Speaker 1: feel like I could do that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, that's my problem, not yours.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 1: Coming up later in the show, we're gonna talk the
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Speaker 2: I am doing fantastic.
Speaker 7: How are you fine?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Thank you?
Speaker 9: I watch you almost every morning.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, I like to hear that. See you up
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Speaker 9: What I recorded?
Speaker 2: Ah, Okay, I don't get up better early. Well, I do,
Speaker 2: believe me. And it's if people say, oh, it gets easy,
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Speaker 9: Glad you enjoy it. Okay. So I had a problem
Speaker 9: with chat apt which I thought was fantastic. That the
Speaker 9: problem was they cut me off and I said, I'm
Speaker 9: exercised my maximum amount of rere selections and I need
Speaker 9: to subscribe for nineteen nine and nine a month. But
Speaker 9: guess what, I just locked in now just to make
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Speaker 9: sounds new very inaccurate on certain things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh you mean when you're asking it stuff?
Speaker 9: Oh A review of the movie Air. Yeah, click movie
Speaker 9: and they kip giving me an old sci fi thriller.
Speaker 1: Well okay, so on that note, so a couple things.
Speaker 1: You got a lot to unpack here. So number one,
Speaker 1: chat GPT is only up to date until twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't even know about the movie Air, so, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I've heard is an excellent movie.
Speaker 2: So there's my review.
Speaker 1: Okay, I haven't watched yet, but I guess it's it's
Speaker 1: on Prime and it's in the theater so you can
Speaker 1: see it, you know, if you have Prime. So that's
Speaker 1: number one. Number two, what website are you using to
Speaker 1: access chat gpt? Because basically there have been so many
Speaker 1: kling on sites that sort of are playing upon this
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of stuff that people are accessing
Speaker 1: that are not necessarily the original.
Speaker 2: So what websit are you using?
Speaker 9: Looks like a AI chat and it's got a most
Speaker 9: like op up Olympic Rings logo.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the way the official website is chat dot
Speaker 1: OpenAI dot com.
Speaker 2: Is that the one you're going to?
Speaker 9: I'm not sure, but I'll try it again, okay dot
Speaker 9: com Okay, And this.
Speaker 1: Is important for for many people because if you go
Speaker 1: online and search chat GBT, you may not get the
Speaker 1: official website the first time because there's so many other
Speaker 1: websites that are, you know, playing upon the popularity of
Speaker 1: this site, and there's other there's other things going on too.
Speaker 1: Some websites will use the power of chat GBT to
Speaker 1: power their own search chats and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Ai chat.
Speaker 1: So if you want the original, if you want the official,
Speaker 1: it's chat dot open ai dot com.
Speaker 9: Okay, I'll try that now when it comes Yeah, thing
Speaker 9: and barred.
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 1: So I personally am really enjoying Bard because what I
Speaker 1: like about it is it's up to date, it's fast,
Speaker 1: and it's free. And so if you want to try
Speaker 1: that one, that is at Bard dot Google dot com,
Speaker 1: and just as of last week, they opened it up
Speaker 1: to everyone, so you no longer have to get on
Speaker 1: the wait list. You just go to Bard dot Google
Speaker 1: dot com and you can start using it immediately. Now
Speaker 1: with Bing, if you want to access that one that
Speaker 1: is at bing dot com slash New and with that
Speaker 1: they're requiring you to download Microsoft Edge to use it.
Speaker 2: For some reason.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they're still doing that, but that
Speaker 1: is what you have to do, and Bang I thought
Speaker 1: was okay. And Bing actually uses chat GPT as their
Speaker 1: back end and it is up to date, so it
Speaker 1: does have the latest. If you looked up the review
Speaker 1: of Air on Bing, it should come up with the answer.
Speaker 1: But I found that Bing was a lot slower and
Speaker 1: the answers were just not as good is what I
Speaker 1: was getting from Google. So I personally have been using Google.
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people like chat GBT,
Speaker 1: but it really comes down to personal preference. Let's see,
Speaker 1: give me a review of the twenty twenty three movie Air,
Speaker 1: Let's see what it comes up with on Google, and
Speaker 1: let's see if it is going to do that. And
Speaker 1: sure enough, there it is. It gives me the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so Google is very up to date on
Speaker 1: their information. But again it just kind of comes down
Speaker 1: to personal preference. Chat GBT, I think right now, has
Speaker 1: the most apps that plug into it, so you can,
Speaker 1: you know, do different things with chat GBT, And like
Speaker 1: I mentioned, they also have the app, so if you
Speaker 1: want to get the app for chat GBT on the iPhone,
Speaker 1: it's only available for iPhone right now. It's not an
Speaker 1: Android just yet, but it is really good, so al,
Speaker 1: what do you think of the AI that you're seeing
Speaker 1: on this stuff? You think, I think it's pretty.
Speaker 2: Cool or what?
Speaker 9: Well, it's a combination of pretty cool and pretty dangerous. Yeah,
Speaker 9: the wrong hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's the big concern right now is where
Speaker 1: this is going to go in the future. Right But
Speaker 1: I would I would cancel that twenty bucks a month.
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to be paying twenty dollars
Speaker 1: a month for this stuff.
Speaker 9: I would refused.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I would agree with that.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for asking. Very popular, very popular these
Speaker 1: days to talk AI. It's pretty much the only conversation
Speaker 1: that's happening almost everywhere. So how long do I have
Speaker 1: to before I can? I? Can I get one more
Speaker 1: thing in? I got a minute? Okay, let's see. Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you about two things that are happening
Speaker 1: here with Echo. These are two new devices I want
Speaker 1: to tell you about. Echo Pop. This is from Amazon
Speaker 1: forty bucks. This is a new speaker and it's comes
Speaker 1: in four different colors. And the cool thing about this
Speaker 1: Echo Pop is that if you have an euro network,
Speaker 1: it'll add to your Wi Fi network as a access point.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of Neat and the other new product
Speaker 1: from Amazon this week is the Echo Buds. These are
Speaker 1: fifty earbuds. I have not tested them, so I can't
Speaker 1: tell you how good they are. But what's cool is
Speaker 1: that you know they're water resistant all this stuff. But
Speaker 1: they have this cool multi point pairing feature, which means
Speaker 1: you can pair your Echo buds to two different devices,
Speaker 1: say a laptop and a phone, and they will switch
Speaker 1: between the audio. So if you're listening to music on
Speaker 1: your phone and all of a sudden, a zoom call
Speaker 1: comes in on your laptop, it'll switch to that device.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of a cool feature that typically the
Speaker 1: more expensive earbuds have, and especially the air pods have.
Speaker 1: So Echo Pop, New Speaker, Echo Buds, New earbuds, two
Speaker 1: new products from Amazon this week.
Speaker 2: They come out with a lot of Alexa stuff.
Speaker 1: They say they've got half a billion devices running Alexa
Speaker 1: at this point.
Speaker 2: That's a lot. All right, give me a call triple
Speaker 2: eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven four
Speaker 2: to two four to one zero one.
Speaker 1: That rounds out this hour. I'll be back in just
Speaker 1: a bit with more rich on Tech. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: rich On Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging out with you
Speaker 1: talking technology at Triple eight Rich.
Speaker 2: One oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four to two,
Speaker 2: four to one zero one.
Speaker 1: Welcome to our number three of the show. If you
Speaker 1: have a call or a question, give me a call.
Speaker 1: Everyone seemed to be looking at me this week with
Speaker 1: this story about car makers removing AM radio from their cars.
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, Rich, what do you think about this?
Speaker 10: Rich?
Speaker 2: You just got a show on AM radio. What do
Speaker 2: you think?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm no expert, but I don't like it
Speaker 1: and I definitely am not a fan. And also it's
Speaker 1: one of these things where well, let me tell you
Speaker 1: the story. So BMW, Mazda, Volvo, Volkswagen, and Tesla have
Speaker 1: either removed AM radio from some of their electric cars
Speaker 1: or they're going to. And Ford said that they're going
Speaker 1: to ditch AM radio in all cars, all new cars,
Speaker 1: gas or electric, and a lot of times, especially with Tesla,
Speaker 1: they mentioned that this is because of electromagnetic interference from
Speaker 1: with the evs and the electrical systems, and also the
Speaker 1: electric motors interfere with the AM frequencies which make them
Speaker 1: not sound so good. But there are four thousand AM
Speaker 1: radio stations out there that broadcast news, talk shows, sports,
Speaker 1: my show. So what are people going to do, especially
Speaker 1: when it comes to emergencies. There's all the emergency weather alerts.
Speaker 1: The National Association of Broadcasters says AM radio is the
Speaker 1: backbone of the nation's emergency alert system. And also AM frequencies.
Speaker 1: They travel further, they go through more objects, so you
Speaker 1: can hear them in more places, so they just work better.
Speaker 1: But this is the debate why this is happening, whether
Speaker 1: it's going to continue, and what's going to happen to
Speaker 1: AM radio. I don't have the answer, but I do
Speaker 1: know this. I grew up with AM radio. I grew
Speaker 1: up listening to it, my dad listening to it every
Speaker 1: single day on the way to school. Many people still
Speaker 1: listen here and in other places. And yes, times are changing.
Speaker 1: People are streaming, they're listening to satellite, they're listening to
Speaker 1: streaming podcasts, whatever. There are a million ways to listen.
Speaker 1: But why remove one of the options when people still
Speaker 1: like it? And these car makers, Yeah, the whole interference
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I mean, if someone's doing it,
Speaker 1: then they can do it now. I do know some
Speaker 1: of the stations will simulcast on an FM like an
Speaker 1: HD two or something like that. But it just seems
Speaker 1: to me as someone who's in the news when something
Speaker 1: is happening, right, when something's hitting the fan, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. You don't sit there and pull
Speaker 1: up Netflix.
Speaker 9: What do you do?
Speaker 1: You tune in to live broadcasts, over the air broadcasts.
Speaker 1: That's what we do, that's what we are trained to do,
Speaker 1: that's what we are, what we've been doing forever. And
Speaker 1: by not having that option, and let's say you've got
Speaker 1: this streaming on your car. And believe me, I love streaming,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, it's great. But when it comes
Speaker 1: to live things that are happening in this world, we
Speaker 1: sort of turn to broadcasts that are happening in real time,
Speaker 1: that are over the air, that can be received by
Speaker 1: anything for free, and that's how we get that information
Speaker 1: and to have that go away. A. I don't think
Speaker 1: this is going to happen overnight. People are like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's gone, it's over, it's done. No, it doesn't happen overnight.
Speaker 1: There are many cars out there that still have the
Speaker 1: ability to pick up these stations.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Maybe moving forward in the future there will be less,
Speaker 1: but it's not an overnight thing. It's not a cut
Speaker 1: and dry thing like oh, this is done, this is over,
Speaker 1: but it's it's definitely something to think about, especially as
Speaker 1: control goes away. So we have to think about that too.
Speaker 1: You know, when when you have something that's not available,
Speaker 1: you know, people when when it came to TV, people
Speaker 1: would say, like you know, the streaming, Oh just get
Speaker 1: YouTube TV or just get you know, Hulu, Well don't forget.
Speaker 1: You know, those things cost money and you have to
Speaker 1: have equipment to have it, you know, to pick it up.
Speaker 1: Whereas an antenna, you know, you could put that anywhere
Speaker 1: and get the signal the same way no matter where
Speaker 1: you are. So anyway, I just I kind of want
Speaker 1: to address that, just because everyone's asking me what I
Speaker 1: think about that whole situation. There is some some bipartisan
Speaker 1: legislation to keep AM radio in cars. It's called the
Speaker 1: AM for Every Vehicle Act. It would require that automakers
Speaker 1: maintain AM broadcast radio in their vehicles without a separate
Speaker 1: or additional payment fee or search arge. This is a
Speaker 1: bill that is making its way through I guess it
Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet obviously, but anyway, something to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on because it's it's definitely a topic of conversation that,
Speaker 1: Like I said, everyone's looking at me like I'm the expert.
Speaker 1: I've only been on AM radio for six months, but
Speaker 1: you know, I hope to be on here for a
Speaker 1: very long time, or any radio.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: We talked about AI just a minute ago. So many
Speaker 1: hot topic issues in the tech world these days.
Speaker 2: AI.
Speaker 1: Sam Altman, the guy who created chat gpt, probably the
Speaker 1: fastest product in history to get the most users in
Speaker 1: the quickest amount of time. He was before lawmakers talking
Speaker 1: about AI and how everyone's kind of scared about what
Speaker 1: this could do, and we don't know. We really don't
Speaker 1: know right now. You type into a computer and ask
Speaker 1: a question. I asked for a review of the movie
Speaker 1: Air Okay, big deal. It gives me a quick review.
Speaker 1: It looks at the Internet and summarizes what everyone else
Speaker 1: is saying about it, coming up with its own thoughts
Speaker 1: on it. It's just a good summarization of what other
Speaker 1: people have said. And a lot of times it's wrong.
Speaker 1: They call it hallucinating. These things just literally make up facts,
Speaker 1: and you don't know when you're reading it if it's
Speaker 1: real or not.
Speaker 2: So you've got to be aware of this. Stuff.
Speaker 1: Sam Altman was up there saying he welcomes regulation of
Speaker 1: this technology. He calls for independent audits, some sort of
Speaker 1: licensing system, and warnings like we have on food Okay,
Speaker 1: Like Google has a warning on the bottom of every page.
Speaker 1: It says Bard may display inaccurate or offensive information that
Speaker 1: doesn't represent Google's views. All it takes is one screenshot
Speaker 1: of something that Bard says that's just totally wild and wacky,
Speaker 1: and people are like, Google, why are you putting that
Speaker 1: out in the world. Well, it's not us, it's it's
Speaker 1: they have a mind of their own.
Speaker 2: These AI. Now, this is what I was getting at.
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna build this AI into a role and that
Speaker 1: robot is going to think for itself quote unquote think
Speaker 1: and make decisions and do things. That is scary because
Speaker 1: I talked about hallucination. Hallucination. How do you say that
Speaker 1: word hallucination?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So, imagine this robot was trained to do one thing
Speaker 1: and then it decides to do something else. I know
Speaker 1: it sounds like a sci fi movie, but that is
Speaker 1: what we are going to be facing in the future here.
Speaker 1: And I'm not one of these people that's the conspiracy theorists.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fearmonger, none of those things. I am
Speaker 1: just someone who is realistic about this. There are going
Speaker 1: to be people that build this technology into things that
Speaker 1: move and do stuff. It's gonna be airplanes, it's going
Speaker 1: to be all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2: Cars.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the debate over Tesla and there's
Speaker 1: self driving car. We never even really heard the term
Speaker 1: AI when it came to the self driving. Now, of
Speaker 1: course every car is gonna have AI built in for
Speaker 1: self driving, and that AI will have to make decisions.
Speaker 1: Sam Altman also addressed the election next year, saying how
Speaker 1: this is going to be a significant area of concern.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the first election where AI is gonna
Speaker 1: have a huge impact. What we see, what we hear,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be It's gonna be wild. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a wild West of what can you believe? What can
Speaker 1: you not believe? There's gonna be videos on the Internet
Speaker 1: of politicians saying stuff and you don't know if they're real.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's wild. We've never seen that before in history.
Speaker 1: He said, Okay, let me see the video, and before
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, it's kind of grainy. No, now,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be them talking and you're like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's real or not. He said when
Speaker 1: photoshop came on the scene, people were quite fooled by
Speaker 1: the images, but then people understood that images might be photoshopped.
Speaker 2: But he said, this is going to be like that.
Speaker 1: But on steroids, people are gonna really not understand what
Speaker 1: is happening in the world with AI.
Speaker 2: Let's see what else.
Speaker 1: If technology goes wrong, it can go quite wrong. We
Speaker 1: need to be on the right side of that. And yes,
Speaker 1: he said, chat GBT is going to entirely automate some
Speaker 1: jobs away, but he said that some jobs because of
Speaker 1: AI will be much better. And everyone's comparing the regulation
Speaker 1: of AI to what happened with sort of like social
Speaker 1: media networks and just kind of in general with technology
Speaker 1: over the past ten years. We kind of welcome this stuff,
Speaker 1: and now we're much more critical of it because we
Speaker 1: realized what happened. These companies were able to grow and
Speaker 1: do things kind of on their own accord without much regulation,
Speaker 1: and this time around, everyone's kind of like, eh, let's
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, maybe watch this a little
Speaker 1: bit more closely. AI is going to be really interesting.
Speaker 1: It's going to be really good in so many ways,
Speaker 1: but it's also going to have many, many implications in
Speaker 1: our lives, not all of them good.
Speaker 2: Think about that.
Speaker 1: All right, coming up, we're gonna talk after I get
Speaker 1: all the scary stuff out, Let's talk about the fun
Speaker 1: days when you BBN people.
Speaker 2: He said, Hey, send me your pin.
Speaker 1: We've got Christina Warren coming up to talk about the
Speaker 1: good old days of BlackBerry and of course the BlackBerry movie,
Speaker 1: which I just love.
Speaker 2: More of your calls.
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Speaker 7: There.
Speaker 1: I've got everything linked up to what I mentioned here
Speaker 1: on the show, and there is a lot. All right,
Speaker 1: coming up, we're gonna talk about BlackBerry, the movie and
Speaker 1: the device. If you haven't seen the movie yet, I
Speaker 1: don't know why I'm so excited about the movie.
Speaker 2: It was just so good.
Speaker 1: It was just really it overdid it for me. Like
Speaker 1: I just I didn't know what to expect, but I
Speaker 1: was just like wow, came away thinking how great it was.
Speaker 1: But I did want to tell you about this emails,
Speaker 1: phishing emails. Everyone always asks about antivirus software, and honestly,
Speaker 1: I feel like that was the past of how we
Speaker 1: used to get in trouble online. You know, the viruses,
Speaker 1: and it still happens, believe me. So you do need
Speaker 1: to be on guard with that. But I think a
Speaker 1: majority of the scams these days are really emails and
Speaker 1: phishing emails specifically, and not just emails but also texts.
Speaker 1: So one of these training companies that a lot of
Speaker 1: corporations use, it's called no Before. If you ever gotten
Speaker 1: one of these emails from your company that says, hey,
Speaker 1: we need you to train on how to identify a
Speaker 1: phishing email. It will just take twenty minutes of your
Speaker 1: time and then you have to like click through all
Speaker 1: these like little lessons and they try to like trick
Speaker 1: you you and quiz you and teach you all at
Speaker 1: the same time. Well that's what this company does. But
Speaker 1: even though you know it's kind of one of those
Speaker 1: things that no employee wants to do. It does teach you.
Speaker 1: And I had to take one the other day. It
Speaker 1: was about phishing, and I literally slept through it. So
Speaker 1: like I can tell a phishing it was a phishing
Speaker 1: text kind of.
Speaker 2: Education.
Speaker 1: And it's just like, I, like, I could figure out
Speaker 1: a phishing text pretty easily, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: they're still tricky.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So the reason I tell you this is because here
Speaker 1: are the emails they've seen in the first quarter of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three that are trying to phish people, okay.
Speaker 1: And phishing is when they send you an email with
Speaker 1: either a link or a phone number in it that
Speaker 1: you click and you try to like do something like
Speaker 1: whether it's update your says, hey, your Amazon order can't ship.
Speaker 1: Can your credit card didn't get charged? Can you please
Speaker 1: update your number? And you go, what, my card's fine.
Speaker 1: You go in, you click it and you type in
Speaker 1: your number and you press submit and then you go, oh, no,
Speaker 1: that was a phishing email.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So the comment in the wild email headlines for Q
Speaker 1: one twenty twenty three Please review updated Financial Policies sounds
Speaker 1: innocent enough.
Speaker 2: Zoom. The meeting has started, where are you? And sure
Speaker 2: enough you go in there, you click and it's a
Speaker 2: phishing link tries to get you to log in it
Speaker 2: laptop refresh. Ooh, I get a new laptop.
Speaker 1: Yes, let me click and submit all my information. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: Meta suspicious activity. That's when I get all the time.
Speaker 1: It's always like a copyright thing or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's always through meta or Instagram. Share Point manager name
Speaker 1: has shared test data with you, and you go, what
Speaker 1: why are they sharing this with me? Let me open
Speaker 1: this up and see what that deal is. Microsoft Microsoft's
Speaker 1: new password requirements everyone uses Microsoft. Let's read about the
Speaker 1: new password requirements.
Speaker 2: HR.
Speaker 1: Please verify your banking information. Ugh, not verify your banking
Speaker 1: information to anyone, please, especially not a random email that
Speaker 1: you get. I don't think your your HR would ever
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 2: One time I put in the wrong routing number on
Speaker 2: my paycheck.
Speaker 1: And it went to someone else's account a couple hundred
Speaker 1: bucks because I did, like I it was like a
Speaker 1: separate account I had that I was like trying to
Speaker 1: save some money in or something, and I guess I
Speaker 1: typed in the numbers wrong, and so literally someone got
Speaker 1: a couple hundred dollars from me, and I called my bank,
Speaker 1: I called my HR There's nothing they could do. They
Speaker 1: this person literally got free money. I don't even believe
Speaker 1: that that's like something that could happen, but it did.
Speaker 1: I was like what, So I was like a couple
Speaker 1: numbers off, I guess with my bank account. So please
Speaker 1: check your bank account numbers, the routing numbers twice before
Speaker 1: you submit, because there's not much you can do to
Speaker 1: get that money back. Uh, docu sign, DOCU sign account
Speaker 1: suspension notice. Oh, docu sign is really a big fishing
Speaker 1: one because is if you ever buy a house or
Speaker 1: a car or have to sign anything, you're using DocuSign
Speaker 1: and so you click there. Next thing you know, they're
Speaker 1: taking you for a ride. Webmail security alert for and
Speaker 1: then your email address. Now that sounds kind of generic webmail,
Speaker 1: but when it has your email address in the headline,
Speaker 1: you might say, oh, they've got my email, so that
Speaker 1: must be important. But believe me, they can get your
Speaker 1: email in a variety of ways. And then finally, refund
Speaker 1: has been processed to your account. Refund has been processed
Speaker 1: to your account. Oh, who doesn't want to refund? And
Speaker 1: then you see this large number and you say, wait,
Speaker 1: I don't think I had a refund for that amount.
Speaker 1: They say, we've seen a lot more business related email
Speaker 1: subjects coming from hr it and managers in the past year,
Speaker 1: so be careful if you see anything from hr IT
Speaker 1: your managers, it's because they play upon the stuff that
Speaker 1: we really get, and a lot of us really get
Speaker 1: emails from our hr and IT managers other us. Others
Speaker 1: involve logins on new devices and password resets. Oh that's
Speaker 1: a good one. Hey, did you just log in on
Speaker 1: this phone and they give you some random phone and
Speaker 1: you say no, well click here to fix that, and
Speaker 1: next thing you know, you get that that phishing email. Again,
Speaker 1: tax related subjects were really popular. And again all of
Speaker 1: these attacks are effective according to no Before because they
Speaker 1: cause a person to react before thinking logically about the
Speaker 1: legitimacy of the email. So again, these all prey upon
Speaker 1: stuff that we need to do immediately because you're like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, I didn't just log in. Wait a second,
Speaker 1: my routing number is wrong. I've got to sign this document.
Speaker 1: Suspicious activity. These are all things that want you to
Speaker 1: do stuff really fast, So don't do things fast online.
Speaker 2: Do it slow.
Speaker 1: When you go through I always say this when you
Speaker 1: go through sort of the the click pages that you
Speaker 1: know they want you to go through some sort of
Speaker 1: sign up or log in or flow screen, just just
Speaker 1: look at what you're doing. It's always very important to
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. Don't get fished, please, it happens
Speaker 1: to the best of us, believe me. All right, coming up,
Speaker 1: we are going to talk about the BlackBerry. I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: I know I've been hyping this up throughout the whole show.
Speaker 1: There's a new movie called BlackBerry. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you need to see it in the theaters, but definitely
Speaker 1: put it on your list to see when it comes
Speaker 1: out on streaming. But if you want to see in
Speaker 1: the theaters I did. It was a great time. We're
Speaker 1: going to talk to Christina Warren. She is a tech expert.
Speaker 1: Many many years she had a BlackBerry and she wrote
Speaker 1: a great article about BlackBerry. Coming up, we're going to
Speaker 1: talk BlackBerry. You're listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to rich On Tech. Rich Demiro here talking technology with you.
Speaker 2: And BlackBerry. Yes, do you remember your BlackBerry?
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: It's tough to remember just how exciting it was to
Speaker 1: have a BlackBerry in this iPhone world we live in.
Speaker 1: But there's a new movie called BlackBerry, which is really good.
Speaker 1: It's a fictional movie, but it's based on a true story.
Speaker 2: I saw it this week. It was excellent.
Speaker 1: Really surprised me with how good it was because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm a tech person, so of course I'm gonna enjoy this,
Speaker 1: but with like a random person enjoy and I think
Speaker 1: the answer is yes. Then I read this article by
Speaker 1: Christina Warren, who has been reporting on technology for many
Speaker 1: years and now as a developer, and I just had
Speaker 1: to bring her on the show to talk about this. Christina,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having me, And I'm so
Speaker 10: glad to be able to talk about blinking hery.
Speaker 2: Of all things, I know you, it's so wild.
Speaker 1: So I remember you back from your Mashable days, obviously,
Speaker 1: and then on Twitter your film Girl, which forever lives
Speaker 1: with me, and I remember you wrote an article about
Speaker 1: why you use that name?
Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, yeah, So I went to film school and
Speaker 10: I was in college when I started using Twitter, and
Speaker 10: that was just sort of like my name on various forums.
Speaker 10: And I didn't realize in two thousand and seven that
Speaker 10: that was going to become my identity, you know, basically
Speaker 10: for the rest of my career.
Speaker 2: But it has. There we are, but here we are.
Speaker 3: Here we are.
Speaker 10: And in this case, because you know, we're talking about
Speaker 10: the BlackBerry movie, we're talking about BlackBerry. I'm film girl.
Speaker 1: It works there you go, all right, So tell me
Speaker 1: about bring us back to the days of having a BlackBerry.
Speaker 1: It's kind of tough to remember, but they sort of
Speaker 1: paved the way for I Message and all these different
Speaker 1: I guess proprietary texting networks because BBM was really what
Speaker 1: made this device so amazing.
Speaker 2: Right to me, it really was right.
Speaker 10: So I wrote an article for Verse about how BlackBerry
Speaker 10: Messenger forever changed the way we text because after I
Speaker 10: saw the film, which I agree with you, I think
Speaker 10: it's just really really fair fantastic, whether you're you're end
Speaker 10: attach or just like these sorts of stories about balls
Speaker 10: from Grace. I was thinking about, how, you know, when
Speaker 10: you think about the BlackBerry, most of us think about
Speaker 10: the keyboard, and I think that's true, like that's an
Speaker 10: intrinsic part of the device. But for me, and I
Speaker 10: think for many of us, what made it really sticky,
Speaker 10: the thing that made it a Crackberry was the fact
Speaker 10: that you had this always on messaging and for some
Speaker 10: people that was email. For a lot of us it
Speaker 10: was it was BBM, which was a BlackBerry Messenger. And this,
Speaker 10: you know, in two thousand and five when it was released,
Speaker 10: was actually pretty revolutionary because you basically had like I
Speaker 10: am the same way.
Speaker 2: That we would have on our desktops or laptops back.
Speaker 10: Then, you would have it on your phone. And this
Speaker 10: was in an era when text messages were between you know,
Speaker 10: five and twenty cents a piece, and some of them
Speaker 10: were more expensive. If you wanted to text to people
Speaker 10: in different countries and you couldn't really send, you know,
Speaker 10: photos or files, it was much more rudimentary. And in
Speaker 10: two thousand and five, BlackBerry had a way where you
Speaker 10: could text one person or you could be in groups
Speaker 10: of people, and you didn't have to pay per text.
Speaker 10: It was unlimited. You could text as much as you wanted,
Speaker 10: you could sit files, you could send photos. One of
Speaker 10: the big innovations they created, and part of this was
Speaker 10: actually this comes from the book of Losing the Signal
Speaker 10: that the Black Gray film is loosely based off of.
Speaker 10: But one of the innovations they came up with, which
Speaker 10: still stands with us today, was this idea of knowing
Speaker 10: if your message was received and then if it was read,
Speaker 10: and so they would have these these d icons were
Speaker 10: delivered and are for read and that basically was put
Speaker 10: into place to make sure the network was working, and
Speaker 10: that's why that was originally there. But it then created
Speaker 10: this psychological thing with many of us, which was, you know,
Speaker 10: you found out if you were left on red, like, okay,
Speaker 10: I see that you read my message, I see that
Speaker 10: you are around.
Speaker 7: Why have you not responded?
Speaker 10: And you know that's something that that WhatsApp has, the
Speaker 10: Facebook messenger has, that I message has if you unless
Speaker 10: you turn off read receipts. And so it's it's really
Speaker 10: fun that this that that's sort of a you know,
Speaker 10: like UI paradigm is still a cultural thing with us
Speaker 10: eighteen years later.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think there's also a kind of
Speaker 1: a gosh, what's the word for. I mean, when you
Speaker 1: see that a message was read, it just feels good
Speaker 1: because you know that it was either looked at and
Speaker 1: you know, understood, even if they don't reply back to you,
Speaker 1: which is a whole nother thing, right, but you know
Speaker 1: that it was it got in before someone's.
Speaker 2: Eyes, right, absolutely, and it just absolutely it makes you
Speaker 2: feel better knowing that.
Speaker 1: And so I think part of this whole thing with
Speaker 1: the blue bubble versus green bubble, you know, when you
Speaker 1: text from an iPhone to an Android or vice versas,
Speaker 1: that you don't see that, and there is something psychological
Speaker 1: about like, oh, I don't know if that was delivered,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right phone number. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if they ever saw that. And so there
Speaker 1: is something to the just kind of the the comfort
Speaker 1: in knowing that something was read or looked at, even
Speaker 1: if someone doesn't.
Speaker 2: Reply to you. I totally agree, totally agree.
Speaker 1: So in the movie, they talked about how they kind
Speaker 1: of hacked these cellular systems into working with these messages,
Speaker 1: right because they weren't really equipped at that time to
Speaker 1: handle all of these phones on a network with all
Speaker 1: these messages going by. So I thought that was a
Speaker 1: pretty interesting side of this whole thing.
Speaker 2: What did you make of that?
Speaker 10: No, totally and that you know, parts of the movie
Speaker 10: are definitely embellished, and they changed the timeline around a
Speaker 10: little bit. But from what I've read from the book,
Speaker 10: Losing the Signal on some other things that I think
Speaker 10: was actually accurate. The original BlackBerry network was using a
Speaker 10: network called Mobitex and this was something that Bell South,
Speaker 10: I believe that they were the carrier who was responsible
Speaker 10: for it in the United States, and then there was
Speaker 10: one of the Canadian carriers did it in Canada. And
Speaker 10: it was this kind of area of radio spectrum that
Speaker 10: could be used for primarily for text messaging. And so
Speaker 10: even though you might not have the spectrum to have
Speaker 10: a bunch of voice calls at once. This was what
Speaker 10: was brilliant about research in Motion is they figured out
Speaker 10: we can compress these text packets and we can use
Speaker 10: this spectrum to send multiple asynchronous messages all the time,
Speaker 10: and we can have them flowing back and forth, and
Speaker 10: we can use this as kind of you know, this
Speaker 10: was nineteen ninety nine, two thousand. We can use this
Speaker 10: as a very rudimentary data network. And this was, you know,
Speaker 10: a decade before most of the major wireless carriers did
Speaker 10: actually start to shift to away from voice and into
Speaker 10: being pure you know, data pipes.
Speaker 1: Now, this just made me think of something because BlackBerry
Speaker 1: seemed unstoppable at the time. If you didn't have a BlackBerry,
Speaker 1: you were kind of like, you know, out of sorts.
Speaker 1: BBM was just it was like the only thing right,
Speaker 1: And now we think about today there are so many
Speaker 1: apps that do exactly this. But I Message seems to
Speaker 1: hold kind of like this crown because it's Apple and
Speaker 1: it's on the iPhone, it's proprietary. Could we see the
Speaker 1: same thing happened to Apple? If something else better comes along,
Speaker 1: or if they they're not going to open up I
Speaker 1: message ever, we know that, yeah.
Speaker 10: I mean I doubt that they would. I I think
Speaker 10: that they I don't know. I think about that because
Speaker 10: in one case, I don't think that they need to
Speaker 10: open up my message. I think that it is a
Speaker 10: good enough mote to say, this is a consistent experience
Speaker 10: that you have if you are on a Macro, an
Speaker 10: iPad or an iPhone, and you know, we have this
Speaker 10: better experience. We can do into end encryption, and we
Speaker 10: can transfer files, and we can FaceTime and all that stuff.
Speaker 10: I don't know if they need to open it up
Speaker 10: to anywhere else at the same time, to your point,
Speaker 10: could something else usurfit? Definitely right? I mean a lot
Speaker 10: of these are cultural shifts, and depending on what part
Speaker 10: of the world you're in is kind of dependent on
Speaker 10: what messager you use. So even though iPhones sell very well,
Speaker 10: Like I have a lot of friends who live in
Speaker 10: parts of Europe and parts of Asia, who I message
Speaker 10: is not how they communicate, right They're using you know,
Speaker 10: line or we chat or WhatsApp. And then I talk
Speaker 10: to friends of mine who have teenagers and a lot
Speaker 10: of their kids are on Discord and that has really
Speaker 10: become kind of their primary platform. So I think it's
Speaker 10: always possible that those things could be disrupted, you know,
Speaker 10: to your point, we have more of these than ever before.
Speaker 10: But I also feel like Apple is in a little
Speaker 10: bit of a different situation than BlackBerry.
Speaker 7: BlackBerry.
Speaker 10: The problem with BlackBerry was that the phones weren't good
Speaker 10: enough for people to have to remain on medium.
Speaker 1: They were right on trick Pony, they had only BBM,
Speaker 1: whereas iPhone has I mean, iPhone is everything. It literally
Speaker 1: it's taken over twenty five different gadgets that we used
Speaker 1: to have exactly.
Speaker 10: And it's arguably the best in class phone, right Like
Speaker 10: it's it's arguably like if you're in that ecosystem and
Speaker 10: you can have them for a long time, like you
Speaker 10: are getting a really great phone so I think that's
Speaker 10: a little bit different, but I definitely, you know, I
Speaker 10: remember a couple of years ago, I started getting invited
Speaker 10: to just tons and tons of Discord groups and I'm
Speaker 10: still in a bunch of them, and that is definitely
Speaker 10: replaced for for some of my friends.
Speaker 7: And I like that is that is our group text.
Speaker 2: Better than I message.
Speaker 1: And that's when my kids, that's you know, they're younger,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, obviously, that's all they talk about
Speaker 1: is Discord. When can we get on Discord?
Speaker 9: All right?
Speaker 2: Which was your favorite BlackBerry gosh?
Speaker 10: Okay, Well, I'll always have a soft spot for the
Speaker 10: for the first BlackBerry Curve because I love that phone.
Speaker 10: But I think the Bold, one of the Bolds, the
Speaker 10: BlackBerry Bold that had like the little uh like little
Speaker 10: mini track pad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, And it had like a leather back.
Speaker 9: It was just so slick.
Speaker 10: It was just the leather back like it just it
Speaker 10: just was a great looking device, you know, so of
Speaker 10: its era. It's so funny to look at those now
Speaker 10: and go, man, we thought those were.
Speaker 7: We looked cool.
Speaker 1: They were like little tanks, they could take anything, and
Speaker 1: they had you know, removable batteries.
Speaker 2: I mean the BlackBerry Pearl. Remember how like delicate that was.
Speaker 2: It was just half the size. Oh so cute. Okay,
Speaker 2: gotta go.
Speaker 1: But Glenn Howardton, who played Jim Bacilli in the movie,
Speaker 1: he was incredible.
Speaker 2: I was so good, I mean so good.
Speaker 1: I just couldn't get over the performance of all the
Speaker 1: actors were great.
Speaker 7: Them, No, they were great. He really sold the show.
Speaker 10: When I saw the trailer, originally, I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 10: with you, I was a little bit worried. I was like,
Speaker 10: they are going to take this book that I love, right,
Speaker 10: and I see comedic actors. I was like, this is
Speaker 10: not going to be a good film. And I walked
Speaker 10: away seeing I was like, I want to see this again.
Speaker 7: I want other people to see this.
Speaker 10: I think that it's genuinely one of the best tech,
Speaker 10: you know, story movies that I've seen in a really,
Speaker 10: really long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really fun.
Speaker 1: It seems like they ride the line between really interesting,
Speaker 1: like almost like a characterature of these of these people,
Speaker 1: but it's it's done in a way that it actually works,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's great, So go see it. The
Speaker 1: movie is BlackBerry and Christina Warren film at Film Underscore
Speaker 1: Girl on Twitter. You can follow everything that you do there.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me today.
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: All Right, the movie again, BlackBerry got to see it.
Speaker 1: Remember and tell me what your favorite BlackBerry was at
Speaker 1: me on Twitter, at rich on Tech or just BBM
Speaker 1: me here's my pin. Just kidding, don't have that anymore?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I guess we're almost at the end of
Speaker 1: the show. Coming up, we're going to do feedback, one
Speaker 1: of your favorite segments right here on rich On Tech.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to rich on Tech, closing out the show
Speaker 1: Man three hours. If you want three hours to go
Speaker 1: by really fast, just do a radio show. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just speed time. I literally come in here equipped
Speaker 1: with about one hundred things I want to tell you about,
Speaker 1: and I leave with about ten every week that I
Speaker 1: just well may much more than ten. Anyway, let me
Speaker 1: get through a couple of things before we get to
Speaker 1: the feedback segment. Apple this week showed off a couple
Speaker 1: of new features designed for folks with disabilities that will
Speaker 1: be coming later this year, and some of them are
Speaker 1: really interesting. Assistive Access This is a new experience on
Speaker 1: the eye iPhone and iPad that makes everything very simple.
Speaker 1: So they say it distills the iPhone and iPad apps
Speaker 1: just so their essential features in order to lighten cognitive load.
Speaker 1: So it's a very simple to understand screen, home screen,
Speaker 1: and then when you go into the apps, everything is
Speaker 1: just one or two big buttons that are very easy
Speaker 1: to use. So that's going to be a very popular
Speaker 1: feature for a lot of folks out there. Then there's
Speaker 1: something called live speech and personal voice. So personal voice
Speaker 1: you probably heard about in the news. Live speech users
Speaker 1: can type whatever they want and have it spoken out loud.
Speaker 1: There's been many apps that can do that in the past,
Speaker 1: but now that it's built in, that's going to be
Speaker 1: very handy. But they take it to the next level.
Speaker 1: You can spend fifteen minutes on the iPhone recording different phrases,
Speaker 1: and then the iPhone will use AI to make a
Speaker 1: model of your voice, so now your phone can speak
Speaker 1: out loud in your voice.
Speaker 2: Now, before you get into.
Speaker 1: The whole lot that's scary and AI and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: this is really aimed at folks who may be at
Speaker 1: risk of losing their speech because of some sort of
Speaker 1: medical diagnosis like als, so imagine, and it's very sad
Speaker 1: to even think about that, But imagine that's happening to
Speaker 1: a loved one and you can have them record their
Speaker 1: voice and now they can use this live speech to
Speaker 1: actually sound like them. I know it's never going to
Speaker 1: be them, but it's the closest thing we can get
Speaker 1: things to technology, and Apple says it's all happening on
Speaker 1: the phone and it's secure in private. Then there's this
Speaker 1: point and speak feature. This is for users who are
Speaker 1: blind or low vision. This is built into the Magnifier app.
Speaker 1: You can point to something like some sort of physical
Speaker 1: object like a microwave, and it will read out loud
Speaker 1: what is on there, So like if a button is
Speaker 1: labeled or something, it'll say, you know, thirty seconds popcorn
Speaker 1: or one, two, three, whatever it is. These are all
Speaker 1: coming later this year. They're not going to be on
Speaker 1: your phone just yet, but I figured i'd tell you
Speaker 1: about those because it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: What they're doing.
Speaker 1: Tsa testing facial recognition. So instead of the officer looking
Speaker 1: at your ID and comparing it against your face, the
Speaker 1: facial recognition will compare the two. So a lot of
Speaker 1: the airports, you just kind of slide your ID into
Speaker 1: a reader and then it tells you, you know, it
Speaker 1: tells the officer that you're on that flight or whatever.
Speaker 1: You can go through the checkpoint. But this will actually
Speaker 1: take it a step further. You stand in front of
Speaker 1: an iPad and it will compare the photo on your
Speaker 1: ID to you standing there. Testing this at sixteen airports Baltimore, DC, Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Denver, Detroit,
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, Orlando, Phoenix, Salt Lake City,
Speaker 1: San Jose, and a couple in Mississippi. I could have
Speaker 1: sworn I saw it at the Austin Airport when I
Speaker 1: was going through there, but it wasn't in my line.
Speaker 2: But you have the option of saying no if you're
Speaker 2: worried about privacy.
Speaker 1: But they're trying to make checkpoints faster sead of having
Speaker 1: human compare the IDs. It's going to be an algorithm,
Speaker 1: so coming soon. Don't be surprised if you see it.
Speaker 1: Feedback time, schw says hello. Concerning smart plugs, I ran
Speaker 1: into a problem that could be a lot of problems
Speaker 1: for people out there.
Speaker 2: We were out of town.
Speaker 1: My smart plugs lost Wi Fi. I was able to
Speaker 1: remotely verify that my WiFi and router were okay, because
Speaker 1: my camera was still working. I expected these smart plugs
Speaker 1: would be smart enough to reconnect to Wi Fi, but
Speaker 1: they never did. When we got home, I had to
Speaker 1: unplug and replug all the smart plugs back in, and
Speaker 1: they reconnected. They're made by feet Fit Electric. I contacted them.
Speaker 1: They said, nope, the only thing you could do is
Speaker 1: unplug them and plug them back in. But this doesn't
Speaker 1: work if you're out of town. They were used to
Speaker 1: control lamps, so when I came home they were all on.
Speaker 1: As a workaround, I put the smart plug into a
Speaker 1: digital timer that powers off and back on every twenty
Speaker 1: four seconds to reset the plug. And he thoughts, yeah,
Speaker 1: not all smart things are made equally, and when you
Speaker 1: leave the house, that's when these things to act up.
Speaker 1: Every single time. Ken says, hey, did you hear me
Speaker 1: on your last show yelling at my phone? The guy
Speaker 1: with the ten thousand MP three files? He could have
Speaker 1: installed Plex or Mby or Jellyfinn to stream his music.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure uploading to YouTube music is not free.
Speaker 1: I believe it is, but those are good suggestions.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Neil says, hey, interesting session last week. The record brings
Speaker 1: back memories unfortunately memories of noise even in the silent
Speaker 1: places between songs. Also, they had record changers, which would
Speaker 1: allow you to stack up several records and it would
Speaker 1: move from one to the next. Hopefully, since we're making
Speaker 1: a comeback, someone will figure out how to make a
Speaker 1: record that doesn't have clicks and pops every time you
Speaker 1: try to play it. Keep it coming, Neil. Let's see,
Speaker 1: Gary says Carol Stream, Illinois. Isn't this the place you
Speaker 1: were talking about today? Billing centers for AT and T
Speaker 1: and credit cards were located there. Those who pay by
Speaker 1: check would mail their payment.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: Mailed a lot of payments to Carol Stream. They got
Speaker 1: lots of my money. Mark says that record player in
Speaker 1: your hotel is a basic model. Since the earliest days,
Speaker 1: most had an automatic feature where the tone arm would
Speaker 1: return back to the rest position once the last song plays.
Speaker 1: The best record players can also automatically move and lower
Speaker 1: the tone arm onto the starting track with the press
Speaker 1: of a button. Such features existed even sixty years ago.
Speaker 1: Yours was a basic model. Yes it was, Mark, but
Speaker 1: I still loved it. The record player.
Speaker 2: Can you believe it?
Speaker 1: That's gonna do? It for this episode of the show
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