WEBVTT - 020 Rich on Tech Radio Show - May 20, 2023 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.800 For the first time ever, you can dial a phone 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:07.119 number to book an uber. The first state to ban TikTok, 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:13.120 the first official chat GPT app hits the iPhone plus 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:15.080 Your tech questions answered. 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.599 What's going on rich dmuro And this is rich on Tech. 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:20.520 The show where I talk about the tech stuff I 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.119 think you should know about. It's also the place where 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:29.880 I answer your questions about technology. What is going on 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.960 on the Tech Reporter at KTLA Channel five in Los Angeles. 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:34.840 Welcome to the show. 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:39.199 I believe this is show number twenty. 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:42.320 Where's the applause? Hold on, I didn't hear it. 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You 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.560 click that, and while we're doing the show, I'm going 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.160 to update this with what I'm talking about. So if 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.160 I mentioned something on the air and you're like, oh, 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:38.600 I got to write that down, just go to the 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.800 website rich on tech dot TV, look in the notes 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.479 for show number twenty and that should give you the link. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.600 So this week I saw the BlackBerry Movie. I'm really 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.279 getting my use out of this AMC membership I've got. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:58.120 I've seen now three movies in two months. That's pretty good. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.080 So I was very excited to see the BlackBerry Movie 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.160 because of course we all went through our BlackBerry phase. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.280 And if I haven't mentioned this before, I am obsessed 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.320 with cell phones. It's been a lifelong obsession, way before 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:18.280 this show, way before I started covering technology. It's just 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.160 something I have always loved. And this movie really made 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.280 me reflect on some of the phones that have really 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:29.000 changed my life and had an impact on me over 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.520 the years. We think iPhone, iPhone, iPhone, There's been many 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:37.080 phones before and after the iPhone, and I remember getting 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.840 my first phone in high school. I might have like, 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.160 maybe flubbed my age a little bit because I think 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.639 you had to be eighteen to get a phone, and 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.280 I might have told him I was eighteen, and I 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.519 think it was like thirty dollars a month for thirty 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.320 minutes or something ridiculous, and it didn't really work anywhere. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:56.480 It was staticky. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.920 This was back when you know, this was cellular like 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.160 real before, like it was digital. I also sold cell 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.800 phones at office depot back in the day when I 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.639 was in high school, and I remember these were the 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.480 days when cell phones were advertised for a penny. One 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.320 penny got you a cell phone. So people would come 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.440 in for some new ink for their printer. I would 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.400 give them the sales pitch for a new phone. They'd 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.519 of course get the phone because it was a penny, 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.639 and then guess what happened. Inevitably they would be back 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.040 a month later because they got their bill and it 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.680 was like three four hundred dollars because back of the day, 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.680 everything was loaded up into that bill, all of your minutes. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.440 If you went over, it was extra money, the activation fee, 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.680 the monthly fee, the first month, the last month. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:40.840 There were so many fees. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.120 Your bill was like a couple hundred bucks and so 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.360 people would pay this one penny for the phone. I said, no, 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.200 there's the one penny you paid, and some people would 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.160 want to return it. Others would cool down after you 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:51.720 explained to them. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.840 But yeah, it was fun. Let's see. 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.800 The first phone I remember really really wanting, right, was 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:04.400 the Treo. It was the Palm six hundred. This is 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.640 a phone that I really wanted. I was living in Shreveport, 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:09.840 Louisiana at the time. I was a reporter at one 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.560 of the stations there and I said to my then 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.400 girlfriend now wife, I said, hey, would you mind driving 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.240 with me to go get this phone. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:18.920 She's like, sure, no problem. 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.000 Well, it was like a two hour drive to go 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:23.680 get this phone. She's like, where are we going. I 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:24.920 was like, oh, they don't have a best Buy here 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:26.920 in Shreveport. We got to go to I think it 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.159 was like Longview, Texas or somewhere in Texas. And so 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.480 we get to the cashier after this whole long drive, 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.080 and you know, I'm paying full price for this phone, 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.440 and it rang up and it was like I don't know, 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.920 five ninety nine or something, and she was like, wait, 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.560 what you didn't tell me this part. I said, well, yeah, 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.880 I'm out of contract. I gotta do this. So that 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.000 was the first phone I got that I really really 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:50.800 just loved, and it was not very good. You could 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.560 even again, the cellular networks at this time were just 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.800 not very good. After that was a Moto Q. This 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.280 phone I was living in New York City. This was 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.279 around that of the iPhone, I believe. But what I 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.720 loved about this phone it was so thin, it was 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.800 so light, it had this keyboard. It was an alternative 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.000 to the BlackBerry. It was so different. I could not 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:12.360 get enough of this phone. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:13.000 I watched. 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.560 This was when I really got into like watching all 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:19.279 the little reviews and stuff online, reading everything I could 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.520 about this phone before I got it. I also remember 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.479 trying to stream music and music on it for the 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.640 first time on the bus and I was using sling 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:32.080 Box and it was just like such a bad experience 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.080 because again the cellular networks were so bad. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:34.480 Then. 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.760 Of course, two thousand and seven Rolls Around got the iPhone. 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:38.440 I was there the first day. I was covering it 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.680 for Cnet and it was incredible. The phone was just magical. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.600 This was before it had the App store. It was 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.679 still amazing. No turn by turn directions but this phone 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.400 really changed everything because it was finally just a piece 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.080 of electronics that could be anything you wanted it to 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.359 be because it was just a screen. And so later 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.560 on came all the excitement with face id, Touch id, 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.440 the app store, but this thing was loaded with YouTube 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.280 of web browser, and again the signal was so bad. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.960 I will never forget walking down the street to a 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:16.159 dentist appointment calling my best friend and saying, hey, I'm 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.240 on the new iPhone and he was like, well, you 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:19.880 might want to switch back to your old phone because 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:21.239 I can't hear anything you're saying. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:22.200 And that was that. 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:24.960 Half the time it worked, half the time it didn't. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.760 How about Amazon, they got into the phone game. Do 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.360 you remember that fire phone is what they called it. 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.040 Their gimmick was a three D screen and I remember 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.400 it had a bunch of cameras facing you to do 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.680 this three D kind of gimmick that it did. And 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:45.120 it also came with free Prime membership, free photo backup, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:46.599 which I guess you still get if you have a 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.400 Prime membership, and this thing called Firefly you could take 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.760 a picture of anything and it would identify it to 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.480 help you basically buy it on Amazon. That thing really 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.240 crashed and burned. Now I'm not talking burning like the 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.119 uh the Samsung Noe. I think it was a seven 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.080 that really literally burned. But yes, the firefly feature, the 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.320 three D screen, none of that was enough. Amazon canceled 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:13.120 that phone so fast it was not even around for 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:17.960 very long. What else I remember the first Google phone? 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.760 Well there was two first with Google. There was the 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.960 first real Google phone, I think was the g One. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.360 I was a reporter in Los Angeles at the time 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.320 at k COW and I remember getting sent that phone 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:29.960 to test out, and I thought it was so cool. 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.640 It was the first real competition to the iPhone. The 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:36.320 Android operating system. Camera was not very good. Camera was 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:37.920 not very good on any of these phones back in 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.640 the day until Google came out with what was called 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:46.040 the Nexus, and I remember taking pictures on that. It 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.400 was fine. But then they came out with the Pixel. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.280 So Google has had sort of like three names for 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.440 their phones, but the Pixel. I remember taking the first 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.920 selfie on that phone and I could not believe the 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.480 quality of it. These camera, these areas were test out 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.160 the phone, so they have the demos. The lighting is 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.880 always so bad and I couldn't believe what a good picture. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.640 It took in really easy time. After that, there was LG. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.040 They had so many little things in their phones. They 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.680 were always trying something new. They had a phone that flexed. 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.560 It was called the G Flex. It bent, It had 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:21.120 a back that could heal, had a second screen phone 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.000 they tried out that didn't work out. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.240 One plus came along. That phone. 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.040 I'll never forget seeing in the back of a lift. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:29.120 It was up in San Francisco. I was going to 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:30.720 the airport and said what kind of phone is that 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.320 to the driver and they said, oh, it's a one plus. 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.120 I said, oh my god. Things amazing, beautiful, sleek software, 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:37.800 so nice. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:38.959 Motorola. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.959 Over the years they tried different things. They had one 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.839 called the Moto X. You could customize all of it, 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.080 the whole thing. You could put your name on the 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:50.160 back of it, customized the colors. That failed too, So 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.440 many of these things failed. HTC I was in love 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.760 with HTC phones. Those were so beautiful, amazing designs. The 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.840 software was so good. They even had an IR blaster 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.080 on them so they could be a universal remote control. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.600 They were one of the first to do live photos, 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:09.319 so it took a little picture before and after Samsung. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.200 Oh my gosh, talk about experimentation. I mean, I think 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.000 everything we've seen on the modern smartphone, all the features 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.720 we've seen, came from Samsung at some point. First one 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:23.160 hundred times zoom, replaceable batteries, memory cards, cameras. They were 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.360 the first to add, like ten cameras on a phone. 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:30.200 Software features galorey, the stylus. Everyone laughed at the stylus. 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.840 And guess what, so many devices have adopted or so 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.480 many people have come to like that. All the things 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:41.000 we take for granted nowadays, unlimited data, good photos, music 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.760 on our phone, all these cameras, wireless charging, water resistance. 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.760 These are things that are new. These are things that 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.760 are relatively new in our world. But I was there 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.000 for all of this stuff, and what a ride it's been. 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.520 Ah And now we're with our iPhones and the Samsungs, 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.199 and quite honestly, phones have become pretty boring because they 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.360 do what you need him to do. They take the picture, 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.400 they hold their charge. They've lost some of the features 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:09.000 that we liked over the years, but overall they're pretty boring. 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:13.200 The iPhone slow evolution. Over the years, it's gotten better 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.320 and better, but it's a slow evolution. Anyway, I thought 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.080 i'd take you down that little trip down memory lane 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.080 because I had a fun time thinking about all those phones. 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.520 And there's many many more, believe me, and I will 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.840 continue to be obsessed, all right. Coming up on this 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.560 week's show, we've got some great, great guests. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.080 Billy Opposen of Telly. 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.520 He's going to talk about his new startup that is 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:38.200 giving five hundred thousand people a free TV this year alone. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:40.920 Then one of our favorite guests, or one of your 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.160 favorite guests, I should say, Jared Newman. He's going to 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:48.480 talk about the plan to make passwords obsolete. And later 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.160 Christina Warren is going to help me reminisce about the 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.880 good old days of BlackBerry. We are going to talk 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:57.920 about the BlackBerry movie, which I do believe you should see. 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:59.560 But up first, it is your turn. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.280 Coming up next, it's triple eight rich one O one 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.320 one eight eight eight seven four to two four one 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.840 zero one. My name is Rich Dmiro. You are listening 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:17.000 to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:22.520 Rich DeMuro here hanging out with you talking technology, apps, gadgets, 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:23.400 tech News. 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:24.960 Got a whole. 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.600 List of stuff I want to talk about with you today. 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.880 At triple eight rich one O one. That's eight eight 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.720 eight seven four to two, four to one zero one. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.120 You're the best part of the show, So if you 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.360 want to join in, give me a call. Mike kicks 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.840 us off in Portland, Oregon. Mike, you're on with rich Hey. 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.120 Rich Hey. My wife and I play pick a ball 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.640 a lot, and I like watching it on TV. But 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.679 sometimes the tournaments, like there's one this weekend, it's on 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:53.680 Amazon Prime. Sometimes it's on YouTube, and you can't record 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.640 those stations or those those outlets, whatever you want to 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.520 call them. Is there any way around that? Is there 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.920 any divice for recording off of those channels? 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.599 Great question, so I'm sure, by the way, were you 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.840 playing pickleball before it was popular or like, are you 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:10.000 just jumping on this now? 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:11.920 No, actually we started a year ago. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:13.920 Oh nice, Okay, Yeah. 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.480 We played an indoor facility and it's pretty fantastic. 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.840 What's the difference, by the way, between pickleball and racketball. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:26.280 I've never played racketball, so I don't know. I think, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.280 be honest with you, I've watched racketball and I had 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.960 the feeling you get hurt a lot worse in racketball. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:33.239 Than you could in pickleball. 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.320 Maybe racketball involves the wall too, So yeah, okay, So 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.199 to answer your question, here is the deal. So I'm 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.400 sure there are ways that you could set up some 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:47.840 sort of device that would record the entire screen, like 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.920 you would need a video capture device, but that's way 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.319 too complicated. So what I'm going to recommend is something 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.920 I've tried in the past, which is called play on 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:00.600 p L A y N dot TV. This is a 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:05.320 cloud recorder and it records the various streaming services. So 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:10.000 this will work with Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, HBO, Max, Disney Plus, 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.240 and this is one way to do it. Now here's 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.800 the thing. I'm not sure if this operates in a 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.480 gray area or what the deal is with this. 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:19.880 Now. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.520 You know, Tvo has been around for a long time. 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.760 The idea of recording content has been around, and when 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.160 Tvo first came out, people were up in arms about that. 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.960 So I'm not sure where this stands on the you know, 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.240 if these companies like what it's doing, but it's available. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.360 It's been around for a very long time because I've 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.280 tried it years ago, and it does what it says. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.680 It's not always perfect and I'm not sure that it 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.720 works with YouTube per se, but it does work with 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.120 a lot of the major streaming services. YouTube I don't 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.280 see listed right off the bat, but that doesn't mean 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:56.640 that that doesn't work with that. This is a paid service, 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:57.920 so you're not going to be able to do this 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.880 for free. There is a free trial so you can 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.480 try that, and then you're gonna have to pay for 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.679 They do it with recording credits, so it's like five 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.960 bucks a month and then you can buy credits to 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.160 record something. So other than that, I think the other 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.079 way to do it is some sort of video capture card, 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.200 but that would you know, and Elgato is the big 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.200 brand there, so if you want something from uh to 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.240 do that with, I think E L G A. T 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.200 O is the big brand there. But I think that 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.560 this cloud service is gonna be the best. I'm trying 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.280 to look if there's an alternative to play on, if 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.400 they have like some sort of you know, competitor that 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:37.840 might do something similar. I'm not really finding that because 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.120 I usually do my favorite search on Google, which is versus. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.160 So if you type in play on versus, usually a 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.240 competitor will come up. But I'm not really seeing a 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.120 competitor there, So I'm sure there's some other ways and 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:54.360 maybe some listeners will have alternatives to this. If you want, 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.240 you can email me Hello at richontech dot tv. But Mike, 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.040 I think that's gonna probably s many of your issues, 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.280 especially with Amazon for recording those. So good question. Thanks 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.400 for being the first caller there. Thanks a lot. All right, 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:13.960 let's go to Henry in Temecula. Henry, you're on with 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:15.720 Rich Rich. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.720 Hello, thanks for taking my call. I've got a I'm 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.360 using my laptop and I have a word pad program 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.960 up and I did a lot of typing on it 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.480 and I thought I had saved everything, but somehow I 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.080 must have hit a hot key and I wiped everything 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.760 out and I can't recover it. And I went to 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.320 best Buy and spoke to one of the geeks there 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.360 and they said, well, they happens to the best of us, 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.400 and they don't have a recovery program either, and so 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.840 you're my last hope to recover this thing. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.640 Oh man, So what was this document? 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.640 No, there was just some typing. I was typing the 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.160 story up and I had about ten pages over the 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.520 course of a two weeks, and each time I got done, 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:57.520 I would save it, and then when I came back 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.800 to it, I was changing to another paragraph, and somehow, 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:02.880 I guess my left hand must have touched one of 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.880 the keys there and and disappeared right down. 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.400 Okay, and so you couldn't You couldn't undo this, there's 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:13.160 no undo okay. So now next time, if if you know, 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.120 if you notice that you do this, obviously, just go 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:21.080 for the undue. But if you got rid of this file, 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.520 have you tried recovery? Are is this Windows? 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:23.920 You said? 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:25.680 Yeah? 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.760 Okay, So if you go to the folder where these 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.280 documents are typically saved, there might be a feature that 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:35.160 can that can help you called restore previous versions. So 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.680 if you go into the folder where you had these 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.320 word pad documents saved, and if you don't know what 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.560 folder that is, create a new word pad document, save 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.880 it and see where it saves it, and then navigate 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.760 to that folder in your Explorer and write click in 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.360 there and see if you get an option that says 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:56.680 restore previous versions. And so you might see the full 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.960 the file in there. Perhaps. Now if it was I'm 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.080 not sure where this went, I would check the recycle 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.439 bin obviously to see if it's in the recycle bin, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.040 because that's like you know where everything goes. But if 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.080 it's not in the recycle bin, and it's not in 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.280 the folder, then I would go ahead and write click 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.159 and see if you have that, restore previous versions, and 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.840 you might see previous versions of the folder displayed if 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.640 it did a save during that time. But it's unfortunate. 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.520 If I were you, I'd use Google Docs to start 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.960 writing your documents so that everything is saved automatically and 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.440 you can just go to Google Docs that is free 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.920 and everything's in the cloud, because, believe me, you don't 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.360 want to lose stuff. I know I've done it before myself, 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.399 and like the Geek Squad said, it does happen to 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.160 the best of us. All right, Henry, thanks for your question. 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.640 Appreciate that. Henry in Temecula. 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:46.040 All right. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.160 Coming up, we are going to talk about free TVs. Yes, 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.920 there is a startup that wants to give away five 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:57.200 hundred thousand free TVs this year. We'll talk about how 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.159 you can get a free TV. Coming up here, you 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:14.280 are listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.960 on Tech. Rich Demiro here talking technology with you at 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.679 Triple eight. Rich one, Oh one eight eight eight seven. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.280 Four two four one zero one. If you have a. 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.200 Question about technology, hop on the phone, give me a call. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.399 Website is rich on tech dot tv and the email 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:36.760 address hello at richon tech dot TV. Well it's not 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:40.280 every day that a startup takes the tech world by storm, 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.879 but that's what happened this week when a company called 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:51.560 Telly emerged from stealth to giveaway free TVs, free fifty 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:57.160 five inch four K HDR TVs and really these are 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:02.199 ad supported. So let's bring on Illi Opposen. He is 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:07.119 the co founder of Pluto TV and very successful there 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.400 and now is starting something new. 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.720 Ilia. Thanks for joining me today, Thanks for having me Rich. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.439 All right, so this is something that you know, it 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.480 sounds too good to be true, but can you kind 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.719 of give the what Telly is going to do? 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.680 Give us the breakdown here. 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:24.800 Yeah, and maybe we'll help if I give you the 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.120 origin story. So, you know, back back in the day 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.439 in twenty thirteen, it came up with the idea for 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.479 Pluto TV and we launched it in twenty fourteen. And 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.920 you know, division there was to bring ad supported streaming 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.240 in the world where it seemed like everyone was going 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.119 to subscription you know, on demand paid services. What we 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.199 looked at is we saw that cable companies were in 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:51.119 fact double dipping, right they were charging the consumers, you know, 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.320 a monthly fee for cable, and then you're also watching 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.159 so much content you're actually generating over two hundred dollars 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.560 worth of advertising per month, right for for the media 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.600 companies and a cable company. So at Pluto, we sought 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.800 to prove that you can actually run a sustainable business 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:08.840 model by cutting one of those things out right, and 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.640 everyone thought we were crazy. We launched in twenty fourteen, 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.199 and then five years later, Paramount you know, swooped up 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:19.000 the company and those has continued to grow tremendously and 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.800 has you know, done over a billion dollars in revenue 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.480 over eighty million years now. So you know, we proved 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:27.280 out that you can run a very sustainable business and 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:28.080 just ad alone. 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.280 Okay, hold on before you go, before you go further. 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.000 You may not remember this, but I clearly remember this. 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.760 You and I had lunch and you told me the 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.760 idea for Pluto TV, and I was one of the 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:40.960 people that did not believe you. I didn't understand it. 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.520 I said, wait, what and Netflix is charging twenty dollars 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.040 a month. How are you going to give away this stuff? 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.720 And who's going to use it? And clearly I was 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.959 wrong because we all know how the story goes after that. 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:55.320 But anyway, continue, Yeah, yeah, actually I do remember our 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.080 nice little Mexican Mexican lunch over there in LA. But yeah, 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.680 so the idea with you know, with Telly is pretty 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:04.800 much the same thing right right now, when you when 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.840 you buy a television, you're paying money for the TV 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:10.760 and it comes with advertising. So we're here to prove 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.240 out the exact same same approach where let's cut out 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.600 the hardware costs and let's build a TV that's actually 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.560 completely better than any other TV on the market. Right 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.280 right now, if you look at the TV industry, it's 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.200 hit this commodity state. Let's be real that the TV 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:28.440 is the largest screen in your home, but it's the dumbest, 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.080 right Our phones, our computers, our tablets, there's so much 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.439 smarter and they do so much more than what our 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.440 TVs do. They're called smart TVs. But that that really 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.240 happened over ten years ago, whenever Blu rays went online 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.679 and TV started stringing content. But you know they're not 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.040 they don't do much more than just you know, just 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.040 it's like a big screen in your home that just 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.040 shows content. Right, So we wanted to prove out that 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:53.840 we can build the world's smartest television. So don't be 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.960 fooled by the by the price tag or free. It's 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:01.200 not a low, low budget TV at all whatsoever. It's 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.640 very high quality and in fact, to us, so much 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:07.560 more than your television currently does. Right, We've got you know, 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:09.720 it's got a second screen. So while you watch TV, 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.520 if we show you, you know, sports scores and weather 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:14.960 and stocks, and if a movie is on, we show 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.800 you actor information. Let's say you're watching sports, we pull 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.959 up scores from around the country and imagine your fantasy 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:24.000 sports right there front and center. Right. So, so our 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.080 TVs go well beyond screaming. And in fact, they also 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:29.240 have a camera that lets you do zoom calling. Right, 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:32.040 you can call your friends and watch TV together from 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:36.000 across the country. Got a full assistant, over fifty video games, 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.920 and so much more. So you know, Telly's shipping over 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.600 five hundred thousand units this year. And yeah, we're disrupting 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.920 the price point, we're also disrupting the product by building 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.399 by far the world's smartest TV in the market. 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:50.119 Okay, so let me just paint a picture of what 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:52.440 this TV physically looks like. So it's a fifty five 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:55.840 in four K HD TV, So it's a display on top, 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.159 then there's a soundbar, and then below that is the 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:02.240 smart screen. And that smart screen is what you're referring 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.840 to that has sort of like the sports scores, and 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:08.919 there's also advertising on that screen. So advertising is a 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.040 big part of this plan. Can you explain the role 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.640 that advertising plays in this entire free TV? 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:20.600 Yeah, very very similar to Pluto, Right. The brands pay 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:23.280 for the surface. That's why we're able to offer Pluto 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.240 TV for free, because it's paid for by the brands. 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:25.480 Right. 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:28.280 So in this case, there is an ad in the 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:30.800 bottom right corner of that smart screen there. Takes up 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.040 a small portion that screen, but it's there, right, And 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:36.199 those the brands that show up there are covering the 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:39.159 cost of the TV. We'll believe that that our business 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:41.640 model is similar to Pluto. We don't have to double dick, 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:43.560 we don't have to sell you the hardware. There's really 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:46.280 no margin on TV sales hardware anyway, right, so might 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:49.119 as well give it away. For free, we're able to 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.320 capture a much bigger chunk of the markets, much quicker 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.879 like we do with Pluro, and build a much stronger product. 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:57.679 So the ads are there, they're relevant, they're there to 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.919 support the business model, and that's kind of the value exchange, right, 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.800 And we know it's already happening, right. TV makers are 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:09.040 selling you a TV right now and then showing your advertising. Right, 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.440 So we said, let's just cut out the sales part 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.040 of it. Let's give away the hardware and let the 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:15.680 product be fully supported by the app. 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:18.600 Yeah, people may or may not realize that. When you 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:23.040 get a smart TV, typically there's something called automatic content 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:27.359 recognition that is sort of seeing what you're using the 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:30.199 TV to watch, and then the companies are selling that 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:34.560 data to third parties to sell you ads against that data. 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:35.920 Is that is that all kind of true? 0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:39.239 Yeah, that's completely right, And they kind of they're kind 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.200 of a pike about it. You really don't know, right. 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:44.400 The difference with us is we're fully transparent. We tell 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:46.080 you we do it like the others, and then in 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.080 fact we compensate you for it with a free TV. 0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:51.639 And I guess people don't mind because you put out 0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:53.560 a pressure release, you said you had over one hundred 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.600 thousand sign ups in the first thirty six hours. You're 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.720 planning to give away five hundred thousand free TVs this 0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:03.760 year year and then in twenty twenty four millions of TVs. 0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:06.760 So how can people Well, I guess my first My 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.640 other question is was there anything in the news. There's 0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:12.080 so much reporting about your company. Was there anything in 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:13.960 the news that you sort of took issue with or 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.600 your thought was not really fair that you want to 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:17.800 you know, talk about. 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:21.639 No, not at all. I think we've had amazing response. 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:25.560 People really understood the product right, and and the other 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:27.919 part in the in the initial sign ups that we 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:31.200 saw that was phenomenal was that, you know, the type 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:36.160 of consumer that was interested in Kelly is not they're 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:39.760 they're not low income at all, right, They're they're actually, 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.160 you know, very heavily indexing on gen Z and millennials 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:46.960 and UH and in a higher income bracket than the 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:50.000 overall population in the US. So I think people understand 0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:52.320 that this is you know, they're savvy, they get that 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:55.159 this is a you know, a disruptive business model and 0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.119 and something that is going to resonate with a very 0:25:58.200 --> 0:25:59.320 large ton of the population. 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:01.920 And also something that's interesting that you kind of picked 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.480 up on with Pluto TV. Back in the day when 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:07.920 everyone was doing paid streaming, you were kind of a 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.200 pioneer of what we now call the fast the free 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:14.680 ad supported streaming services, where now people are like, you 0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:16.680 know what, I'm paying too much for all these services. 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:19.760 I don't mind a couple of commercials like the good 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:22.600 old days of TV, where I will get this for 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.760 either less money or for free. So I think there 0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.399 is a little bit of you know, people are kind 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.360 of pulling back on some of the spending with these 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:31.280 streaming services. 0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:34.640 That's right. And now if you look at the industry, 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:38.280 even though Pluto was there first and everyone thought we 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:43.760 were completely crazy, now literally every single media company including Google, Amazon, 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.640 and now Disney actually you know, announced they're going there. 0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:50.120 They're launching that supported streaming service as well. So everyone's 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.240 now even though everyone disagree with us, they're now doing 0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:56.760 they're not in that same business. So and we believe 0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:58.560 Kelly's going to do the exact same thing. 0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:02.960 All right, We're chatting with Illi Opposen, the founder of Telly, 0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:07.920 which is giving away free TVs. The website is freetelly 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:10.399 dot com. I'll link that up on my website at 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:14.160 richon Tech dot tv. So Ellio, you fill out the form, 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:17.760 you give some information. What's my chances of actually getting 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:19.600 one of these TVs? And when would I get it? 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:23.040 I mean, the chances are pretty good. We're making a 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.520 lot of them. We're starting to ship our initial units 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.000 this summer. So I jump right on that. Go to 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:30.399 the website and fill it out. Make sure you get 0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:32.560 your spot in our in our in our queue. 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:34.719 And is there any restrictions on how I can use 0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.440 this TV? I know you've got the HDMI ports on 0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:39.800 the back. Can I plug in my own streaming service? 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:40.840 Do I have to use something that. 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:44.040 You do or what? No, not at all. It's it's 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.560 a standard TV. You can watch whatever you want, plug 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:50.280 in any devices. We have three hdiports, you know. We 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:52.520 we want you to watch whatever you want on this TV. 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:54.480 We don't even need you, you know, to be in 0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:56.840 our operating system anything like that. And we're there to 0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:00.280 provide you enhancements on your content viewing and and not 0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:01.960 restrict you from doing anything that you want. 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:05.159 And what about the second screen? People I've read say, oh, 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:06.520 I'm just going to cover it up. I'm not going 0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:08.600 to look at it is that. I mean, what do 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:10.000 you make of that whole situation. 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:12.920 I mean it's once you see it in you that 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:17.280 your viewpoint will be completely different, right, So it completely 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:20.119 enhances your content viewing experience. It's there to support you. 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:24.200 We have data that over eighty percent of consumers while 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:27.000 they watch TV, they have their phone or computer out anyway, right, 0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.040 So we put a lot of that information that you're 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.320 looking at on your phone right there front and center, 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:34.680 so you're less distracted. The add are a much a 0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:37.399 very small chunk of that of that device. But we 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:40.600 even want a step further, and we put all the 0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:44.040 controls that you typically see overlaying the top screen, like 0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.040 when you put volume up and down, and when you're 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.480 trying to change inputs from one HDMI to the other 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.880 or switch your settings. All that now happens on that 0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:54.800 bottom smart screen. So we cleaned up the top screen. 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.160 We call it a theater display. That's clean, and the 0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:01.440 bottom screen has all your controls, all this strau you know, 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:04.640 information and support against what you're watching to really help 0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:07.320 and enhance that content viewing experience. So first of all, 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.560 you won't want to cover it right such, and you 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:11.840 really can't because that's where all your controls are. So 0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:14.000 we've built this in a way that that you know, 0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:17.320 it completely makes your TV dealing experience better. I've been 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.040 using it at my house alone for about four or 0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:21.880 five months, and I can just tell you it's very 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.040 hard to go back to it to kind of standard 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:25.080 boring dune display. 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:27.640 Eliahposen, We're going to leave it there. Thanks so much 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:28.880 for joining me today. I appreciate it. 0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.600 Thanks so much for having me Rich all right, If 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:33.000 you want. 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.840 The website, it's free Telly dot com, or just go 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.960 to rich on Tech dot tv look for show number twenty. 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:41.120 It is linked up in the notes. Get on the 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.440 list for a free TV. You are listening to rich 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.040 on Tech. More of your calls at triple eight rich 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:50.040 one oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four two 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:58.760 four one zero one. Give me a call, rich Demiro 0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:02.880 back with you here. Rich on Tech phone numbers triple 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.320 eight rich one oh one. That's eight eight eight seven 0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:12.320 two four to one zero one. Phase is in Los Angeles. 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:13.360 Am I saying that right? 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:14.680 That's correct? 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:14.840 Sir? 0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:16.960 Hey, how you doing good? 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:17.240 Good? 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:19.160 Welcome to the show. What can I help you with? 0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.400 Uh, that's kind a quick question for you. I have 0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:27.720 a link smart home hub. Last shooters working fine, last 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.120 few months, has been having issue on and off, like 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:32.760 it goes out of service for. 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:34.800 Like weeks, maybe a month. 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:37.800 Right now it's down for service again and just kind 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:39.920 of like set up with it. Trying to figure out 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.640 what's the next step to change that zwave hub to 0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:43.360 something else? 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:46.400 Okay, so you want to you want to switch to 0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:51.840 something yeah? Well okay, so you're using wink, which what 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:53.360 kind of stuff do you have connected to this? 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:59.240 Uh? That zbay switches like ge or Slovania, lightblubs. 0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:02.960 Okay, so lights, a couple of plugs and everything is 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:07.800 is what zigb or what? Oh? Z wave? Okay, got it? 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:08.360 Z wave? 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:11.920 So so I'm looking at let's see, so you got 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:15.840 wing and I'm looking at their Twitter and like every 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.560 other tweet is basically we're having issues. 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:22.360 So that's kind of what you've been experiencing. Huh. 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:25.440 Yes, I mean it's a munchy service. So I don't 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.000 mind paying five bucks a month, but you know, want 0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:28.880 it out and running. 0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:31.720 Yeah, I get that. Okay, So have you heard of 0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:32.640 something called matter? 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:34.080 No? 0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:36.400 Okay, so that's what I think you need to look into. 0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:40.640 So matter is the new smart home standard that is 0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:45.200 adopted by everyone. So Google's on board. These are names 0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:47.240 you don't really hear in the same sentence very often. 0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:51.680 Google's on board, Apples on board, Samsung's on board. Did 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:52.239 I get them all? 0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:52.800 I think so. 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.120 So when you have all three of the major tech 0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:59.479 companies on board, all of the devices are now going 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.240 to work to get other And it's really quite incredible 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.680 because in my home now I've started to try out 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:08.720 some of these things with Matter and it's it's really 0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.040 really nice because A you don't have to pay a 0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:14.320 monthly fee like you're paying with Wink, and B all 0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:18.160 you need is a MATTER controller to start working with 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.120 these devices. And the MATTER is kind of built into 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:24.960 a lot of the main devices. So the Apple the 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.200 four K, sorry, the Apple TV has it, the Amazon 0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:31.400 Echo has it, the Google Nest has it. Samsung you 0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:33.800 can get a Smart Things hub that has it. Even 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:36.200 some of their TVs and refrigerators have it. So as 0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.720 long as you have one device on your network that 0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.520 is kind of a matter hub, everything else works with 0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.480 that Matter. Now some of the devices you have may 0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:48.040 get updates to work with Matter. So one of the 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:52.400 plugs I had in my home was a home Kit plug, 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:54.800 and then I did a software update and now it's 0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:59.280 magically a Matter plug. And what's really nice about it 0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:01.200 is you can of pick and choose. You no longer 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.000 have to look on the packaging of these smart home 0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:06.360 products to see like, Okay, this one works with Google, 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:10.240 this one works with Alexa, this one works with HomeKit. 0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:10.480 No. 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.160 As long as it says Matter, it's going to work 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.720 across the board with everything. So that's what I would 0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.320 be looking for. Number One, you can look in your home. 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:21.880 Do you have an Echo? Do you have a Google Nest? 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.120 Do you have an Apple TV? If you have one 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:27.880 of those devices, you're already on board with this Matter situation, 0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:29.360 and all you have to do is kind of enable 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:31.360 it and just get it up and running. And then 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.120 it's a matter of I'm saying Matter a lot, it's 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:38.160 a matter of just getting these devices on board with it. 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:40.000 And so some of them may not work with the 0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:43.560 new network, some of them may. And so that's what 0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.360 I look into. Matter is the future. It's super super easy. 0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:52.360 You basically the plug that I connected once I upgraded 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.640 the software. Literally, I opened the Google Home app and 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:57.680 I said, hey, do you want to connect this plug 0:33:57.720 --> 0:33:59.800 to your network? And I said, wow, that was so easy. 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.480 Other times you may just have to scan a QR 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.920 code on the device itself. It is all so much 0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:09.359 easier than anything I've seen in the past. It's brand new, 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:11.359 so it's not going to be you know, you talk 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:13.160 to a couple people, they may not even have heard 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:16.320 of this yet, but it is the future of everything 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:19.160 in the home. After all, these companies were fighting for 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.480 market share for the past you know, I don't know 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:25.160 ten years of gadgets. They finally sat down and said, 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.480 you know what, We're gonna stop fighting. We're gonna make 0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.000 everything work together. So you can choose the app that 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.040 you want to use to control everything, whether that's Apple, 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:36.239 whether that is Google Home, whether that's the Alexa app, 0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:39.080 and then you can actually choose the devices you want 0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:41.640 from the brands you want, and they will all work together. 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.000 This is not something you need to do overnight. Maybe 0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.080 continue with the Wink, you know, but realize that if 0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.120 you're paying that five bucks a month whatever they're charging 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.120 you for that begin to start to think about how 0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:55.279 you can switch over to this matter stuff, but it 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:59.000 makes life a whole lot easier, much more reliable, and 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:01.600 you can rea up about it on the web. But 0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.080 it's a little complicated because there's two terms. There's something 0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:08.000 called matter and there's also something called thread, which sort 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:08.839 of powers matter. 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:11.520 So that's where it gets a little weird. 0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:13.080 But as long as you know about those things and 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.120 start to research, you can definitely find some the products 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.880 are all going to work together. So good question, and 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:22.719 sorry you're going through some smart home issues. That's always frustrating, 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:25.920 all right. I did want to address this whole TikTok 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:30.719 ban in Montana, first state to ban the use of 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:35.480 TikTok Montana. Yes, they are saying they're going to protect 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:40.880 Montana's personal, private, and sensitive data from being gathered by 0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:45.600 the Chinese Communist Party. So they signed a law that 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:49.600 bans TikTok from operating in Montana. This will take effect 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:53.359 on January first. Now it is too early to say 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.920 whether this will actually happen, how it's going to happen, 0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:01.480 and what the penalty is going to be. So according 0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:06.280 to the new law, if TikTok is on the app store, 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.400 they would be liable for fines of ten thousand dollars 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.480 a day for violating this law. Individual TikTok users won't 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:14.919 be punished. So if you have TikTok on your phone 0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:18.439 in Montana, yeah you can use it, but you won't 0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:23.040 be fined. But if this state gets really serious about this, 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:26.759 they may block TikTok at the network level, which means 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.239 you wouldn't be able to log on. Now, this is 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:32.799 very very new, this is very very complicated. We've never 0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:37.160 really seen something like this with an app. We've seen websites, 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:40.200 we've seen things that you may not be able to access, 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.560 but typically the only place I've seen this happen is 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:45.120 in China. When I visited China, you know, I couldn't 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.040 access Facebook, couldn't access Twitter. So the fact that this 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.960 is happening in the US is definitely very odd. First 0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:57.719 Amendment may be a challenge to that. Brich On Tech 0:36:57.880 --> 0:36:59.400 eight to eight rich one oh one. I don't even 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.080 know what to say it this point. It's just such 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:01.640 a weird thing. 0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:11.759 We'll be right back. Welcome back to rich on Tech. 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:15.799 Rich DeMuro here hanging out talking technology with you at 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.960 Triple eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:24.239 four two four one zero one. Kim is standing by 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:27.600 waiting for your call to get you right here on 0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:32.120 this show. Claudia wrote in on Instagram and said, hey, 0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:35.080 what's the website for the free TV? I probably should 0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:39.600 have spelled it out. It is free Telly, Free Telly 0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:44.279 t E l l y dot com. Free Telly dot 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:46.640 com is the website. Everything is linked up on my 0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:50.040 website rich on Tech dot tv. I'm doing a very 0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.560 nice job with the show notes today, so please I'm 0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:55.719 gonna pat myself on the back there for that. You 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.359 can follow me on social media. I am at rich 0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:02.960 on Tech. I'm on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. On Instagram 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:07.040 this week posted a couple of fun things, including an 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.840 automated bartender called the Rowtender. You got to see what 0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:13.200 you think about this. It mixes up drinks in twenty 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:16.600 seconds or less. This is a startup that it almost 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:21.520 looks like a bartending jukebox. So you decide what you 0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:25.520 want on this little touchscreen. It spins around, there's lights flashing. 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.040 It's a really a cool little show, and then it 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.440 spits out your drink. That doesn't sound good. You don't 0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:32.560 you don't want a machine to spit out your drink. 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:36.319 It dispenses your drink. Spit out would be kind of weird. 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:41.160 Right then, I've got my most controversial post of the week. 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:47.359 These classic cars that they get redone and made into 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:50.520 electric cars. And you don't know how controversial this is 0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:54.560 until you post an Instagram video about it. People don't 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:57.320 necessarily like that. Some think it's really cool something that 0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:01.120 you're ruining the classic car experience. So anyway, that's all 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:05.480 my Instagram at rich on Tech. Let's go to an email. 0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:09.560 Alex says, Hey, Rich can you recommend free a free 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:11.799 Gmail third party application? 0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:16.719 Just using web? Gmail is not user friendly? Okay, you 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:16.960 know what. 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.520 I will tell you my answer to this, but before 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:21.560 I do, I will tell you I also think that 0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:25.200 Gmail on the web is the best way to use Gmail. 0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.919 And the reason for that is because Gmail does things 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.640 in a weird way when it comes to your email, 0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:33.160 the way it files things, the way you can snooze stuff, 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:36.320 the way that it goes into different categories and labels. 0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:39.920 So I still think that the standard web application is 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.160 the best. Now, I do think that it can be 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:46.520 slow on certain computers. My old computer, Gmail was really 0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:48.440 really slow and it got very annoying. So I did 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:52.360 try switching to a third part app, third party application, 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.520 but I always go back to the web app because 0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:58.640 it just seems to be the easiest for me, and 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:02.920 it takes advantage of all those Gmail features. So you 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:06.040 want something that's free, Let's start with what's built into 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:08.880 your computer. So whether you have Windows or a Mac, 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:12.000 you've got a mail program that is built in. So 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.400 just on Windows or Mac, just search Mail and it 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:17.440 will bring up the program. You log in with your 0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.960 Gmail and you can check your Gmail on there. It's 0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:23.160 built in. There's nothing you have to download. It's pretty simple. Now, 0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:25.279 if you want to step it up from there, you 0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:29.799 can download Outlook. And so Outlook is I know it's 0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:32.920 free on the Mac. I'm not sure if it's free 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:34.719 on Windows, but I think it's I know it's free 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:37.920 on Mac. So you can download Outlook. Or you could 0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:40.759 even just use Outlook on the web and still log 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:42.520 into your Gmail account if you want to do that. Now, 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:44.480 I think that gets kind of weird because you're using 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.360 Outlook but you're checking your Gmail. So but you know, 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:50.239 to each his own, you can do that. If you 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:53.520 like Mozilla, they are the makers of Firefox. They have 0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:58.680 a free open source cross platform email program called Thunderbird 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:01.879 and Underbird. It has been around for a very long time. 0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.960 It's free, it works on Windows, it works on Mac 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:10.239 and I haven't used this personally, but you know, it's 0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:13.640 a popular email program because it's free and it's from Mozilla, 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:15.960 so they do all the research, they do all the 0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.800 open source stuff, so it's secure. It's been around for 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:22.600 nineteen years. So if you want that, you can download 0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:26.960 that from the thunderbird dot net website. And then there 0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:31.760 are some more specialized apps. So there are apps called Spark, 0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:36.200 Spark Mail, there is something called Edison Mail, and there's 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:41.120 something called Newton. And all of these apps are going 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:45.439 to cost you a little bit. So that's the only 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:49.680 thing you said you wanted free. These may cost you something. Now, 0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.640 there are some features you can get for free on 0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:55.640 these and you can check that out on their websites. 0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:58.719 But you know, sometimes they kind of push you to 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.960 the freemium plan, which is, okay, we'll give you this 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:04.759 for free, but you may have to pay to uh, 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:07.680 you know, to get all the features. We're gonna have 0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:10.759 a great guest on a little bit, Jared Newman. He 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:14.879 writes a very nice newsletter called Advisorator, and I'm gonna 0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.520 ask him what his favorite free email app. I'll put 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:20.200 him on the spot because he kind of knows a 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:23.400 lot about that kind of stuff. So great question, Alex. 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.640 There you have it all right, phone number triple eight 0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:30.359 rich one oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four 0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:34.680 to two four to one zero one. This week was 0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:39.600 the third annual Go Get Go Get, that's what they 0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:43.640 call it from Uber. It's their annual product showcase where 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:46.600 they showed off a whole bunch of new features. And 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:48.759 let me go through some of those features. Because Uber 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:52.640 is a very popular product around the world and it 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:56.600 just continues to evolve. So first up, this is a 0:42:56.640 --> 0:43:00.200 big one. It's called family profiles. Now, teenagers have been 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:04.000 taking Uber for a long time, but I guess maybe 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:07.360 the driver has to look the other way or the 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:08.880 parent has to get the ride for them. 0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:09.399 I'm not sure. 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.600 My kids are too young to take Uber by themselves, 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:13.200 so I'm not really sure how it works what the 0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:17.120 age limits are. But now, for the first time, teens 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:22.560 can have their own profile underneath a guardian's account. So 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:24.440 you can go in as a parent and set up 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:28.320 a family profile for your kid and kids thirteen to 0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:32.280 seventeen can now have their kind of their own account, 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:35.319 but it's under your account, and Uber says they're only 0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:39.520 going to used experienced and highly rated drivers to have 0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:42.919 these trips with teens, and every driver on the flip 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:44.640 side has the ability to opt out, so if they 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.160 want to be carrying kids around all the day, they 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:50.440 don't have to. There are all the safety features in place. 0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:53.880 They've got live trip tracking, which means, as the parent, 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:58.040 you can track the trip's progress so you can see 0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:01.320 where your kid is at all times. Of course, there's support. 0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:04.920 This is going to start on May twenty second, so 0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:08.080 don't don't open the app up and try just yet. 0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.000 It's gonna take a couple of days for this to 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:12.799 be in there. And the other thing that the kids 0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:15.120 can do, I call them kids, but I guess they're teens. 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:18.480 They can also link up an Uber Eats account underneath 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:19.080 your account. 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:19.879 Now what does that mean? 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:22.000 Kids are gonna be ordering a whole lot of food 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.640 on your credit card? Yep, so mom and dad are 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:26.680 paying for this, the guardian is paying for this. But 0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:29.239 you know, you can decide how much they want to 0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:32.360 spend directly in the app. So that's the family profile, 0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:34.319 which I think will be a big help. I told 0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:36.560 my kidd he's eleven. I said, oh, two more years, 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:38.440 and I'm not driving you around anymore. It's gonna be 0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:43.400 Uber for you, buddy. Uber car seat. This is something 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:45.399 that I know sounds a little weird, but my wife 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.120 and I dealt with this when we had our little 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:49.239 ones when they were very little, and we would visit 0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:52.400 New York City and we would take Uber to the 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:55.120 airport or whatever. And you know, you either have to 0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:57.120 take around one of these like blow up car seats, 0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:58.680 I forget what they call it, like a bubble seat 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:02.120 or something, or you would have to just have your 0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:04.319 kid kind of like you know, you'd be like, uh uh, 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:06.399 we can't anyway, I'm not going to get into that part. 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:09.759 Sometimes you'd be like, yeah, they're sixty five pounds. Kid 0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:12.279 is like two now, I'm just kidding. Or you have 0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:14.040 to bring around a car seat basically, and then the 0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:16.640 Uber gets to your house, you're latching in this car seat. 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:17.440 It was a whole big thing. 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:19.680 And I know, before you say rich, I mean, really 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:21.400 you got to take your kid that's you know, one 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:23.480 years old in an Uber. Yes, sometimes you have to 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:26.520 if you're traveling, so beginning in New York City and 0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:30.040 Los Angeles, Uber car Seat is now an option. It 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:32.920 lets you request and reserve a ride with a car 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:37.040 seat in the car already. So that's for kids from 0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.400 five to sixty five pounds, so that's kind of a 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.920 nice thing. And then the other new feature is this 0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:46.719 phone number. For the first time ever, you can use 0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:50.919 a phone number to book an Uber. The phone number 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:55.640 is one eight three three use Uber. Again, that's an 0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:57.680 eight three to three number. You don't really hear about 0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:01.080 those very often, So you can call this phone number 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:04.680 and they will help you book the ride. And before 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.520 you say rich, I mean really, who doesn't have a smartphone? 0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:09.640 Who doesn't have an Uber app? I mean there's a 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:11.799 lot of people out there that may not, or maybe 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:14.800 it's just a one time thing, or maybe it's you know, 0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:17.560 your grandparent or someone that needs a ride just one 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:20.160 time and they don't do Uber all the time. So 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:24.200 now anyone can use this, So eight three three use Uber. 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:28.000 Now here's the problem. I think there's gonna be some 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.279 fraud with this because there are going to be scam 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.759 artists that play upon this phone number. They're going to 0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.680 set up numbers that sound very similar to the Uber number, 0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:38.799 and people are going to call them and they're going 0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:40.799 to give their credit card, and that credit card number 0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:43.600 is going to get stolen. So be very careful if 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.439 you're going to use this. Know the phone number again, 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:49.759 it's eight three to three. Use Uber, write it down, 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:52.120 look it up, note it. If you're going to ever 0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:54.239 use this, do not dial a random number that you 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:58.880 find online because it may not be legitimate. So the 0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:02.319 other cool feature I thought that Uber introduced Uber Boat. 0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:03.840 This is in Greece. 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.680 They're gonna have an Uber boat that you can book 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.680 directly through the app. You can have up to eight 0:47:09.800 --> 0:47:12.600 people cruising popular destinations around the island. 0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:15.000 Oh my gosh, do I know how to say this? 0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:15.800 How do you say this? 0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:19.759 Mik and Os and Greece. I should know how to 0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:23.560 say that. I never saw my big fat Greek wedding, 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:25.360 so I should know how to pronounce that. 0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:27.520 But now I just thought of a good idea. I 0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:29.759 gotta go to Greece to try this out. Who's coming 0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:31.560 with me? Let's go. 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:35.239 I've never been. I know it's pretty nice, all right, 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:37.600 So there's all the updates on Uber Once again. I'm 0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:40.279 writing all of this stuff down on my website. Rich 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:44.839 on Tech dot TV. All right, coming up on the show, 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.480 we've got a lot more to talk about. We've got 0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:53.560 Jared Newman. He writes a newsletter called Advisorator. He's going 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:57.600 to talk to us about the plan to make passwords obsolete. 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:00.720 This is something new that you can enable through Google 0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.160 and some other websites. So he'll talk about that and later. 0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:07.320 Christina Warren film Girl on Twitter is gonna reminisce about 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:08.840 the good old days of BlackBerry. 0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:11.920 I have seen the movie. It is excellent. 0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:15.400 It really exceeded my expectations. So we'll talk about the 0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.960 the good old days of bbming and pins and all 0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:22.000 that stuff. Plus lots more to talk about. On the 0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:25.879 news front, there is the first official chat GPT app 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.440 for iOS. Yes, I'll tell you how to download that, 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:32.680 and of course your calls at Triple eight rich one 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:35.280 oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four. 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.440 To two, four to one zero one. My name is 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.239 Rich Dmiro. I'm booking a flight to Grease. You are 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:44.520 listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech. 0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:48.200 Rich Demiro here hanging out with you talking technology at 0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:51.759 Triple eight Rich one oh one, that's eight eight eight 0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:56.520 seven four to two four one zero one. Let's go 0:48:56.600 --> 0:49:00.960 to William in Nope, that's not William. Let's go do 0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:04.000 William in Costa Mesa. William, you're on with Rich. 0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:09.359 William. You're there, Okay, let's see. 0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:16.000 I'm I think I'm doing something wrong here, Okay, William, Hello, Hello, William, 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:18.200 welcome to the show. Okay, we'll put you on hold 0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:22.840 here and let's go to Stephen in Los Angeles. 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:26.120 Steven, are you there, I'm here, there you go. It's 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:31.040 not me, see, it's it's not me, it's them exactly. 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.320 I'd love to go to Greece, by the way, I 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:35.080 you know what I said. 0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:38.080 I was going to book a flight, but let's see. 0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:40.839 Let's just see how much Greece is right now. It's 0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:44.280 a lot. Travel is very expensive these days. Have you noticed? 0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:47.600 What about taking an uber boat all away to Greece? 0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:48.920 You know what? 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:53.360 That would be extremely expensive, But I'd love to. I 0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:57.160 really think I can convince you know, the powers that 0:49:57.360 --> 0:49:59.560 be that I need to try this uber boat. I mean, 0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:02.080 I could just see myself with those you know, isn't 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:04.000 like the whole all the buildings like white in the 0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.520 background with the blue and me on the boat with 0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:10.440 whatever they drink over there and Greece. Anyway, I'm getting 0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:12.680 out of my Uh, let's see what do you need 0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:13.360 help with today? 0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:17.239 So you know, I deal with a lot of data 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:22.560 and I'm very new to NASH back up and redumancy. 0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:26.120 So my questions are I've been looking at i mean, 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:29.520 making deals at the de waste cycling place except what 0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:31.959 all you know? Let me just put some hot drives 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:35.719 in it and set up a mash. So I want 0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:38.120 to do I've been looking at something called two nats 0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:43.680 and plausibly checking up, setting up a second to act 0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:48.799 as a redundanty to back up the backup. What would 0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:49.480 you recommend? 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:54.320 So are you trying to do this all yourself or 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:56.160 are you trying to get a product that you can 0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:57.160 use for this? 0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.160 Well, I know two NASS is on software that you 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:05.520 can download and you can inspire. I know there's something 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:10.879 like you know, sonology, and yeah, you know, I've looked 0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:13.560 at both directions and I sort of enjoyed the di 0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:16.840 wise more than I enjoy the ready to go package. 0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:20.200 So I guess it's a two part question. One is 0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:23.840 what do you think the two nats. And the second 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:26.760 part is I set up like a second as purely 0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:27.920 for the purposes. 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:29.719 Of backing up the first Well, I love that you're 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:31.920 thinking about backing up everything, So I mean I think 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:34.800 that that's uh, you know, it's very important in today's 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:35.200 day and age. 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:37.400 Is this for sort of enterprise or is this for 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:39.760 just personal personal? 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:41.920 But I do a lot of stuff at home, so 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:45.200 my data is let's say, one hundred terbles. 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.319 Oh wow, you got a lot. Okay, that's all a lot. 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:52.080 So like I decided for all the smaller hard drive 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:54.719 and get big one. Okay, So the idea is less 0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:55.719 drives more data. 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:56.400 Right, So. 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:00.880 In the same principle, if I have backup to that, 0:52:01.000 --> 0:52:03.439 I need somewhat equivalment to be on the other side. 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:05.680 Yeah, of course, because if you're doing one hundred you 0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:09.319 said one hundred terabytes? Yes, wow, what do you've got 0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:10.160 on all this stuff? 0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:12.279 I mean, I've got a photo collection, but I'm only 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:14.319 up to like three terabytes. 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:20.400 Photos, movie, you know, and obviously some work stuff and 0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:22.279 just you know, just think with. 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:25.400 Twenty years how much that Oh yeah, it's and the 0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:27.919 problem is with me especially, I went through this morning. 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:29.719 I was looking at my Google Drive and it's like, 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:32.440 I don't want to delete anything. And then this is 0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:34.960 the best part. I was literally looking for an address 0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:38.959 that I've had for ten years in my Google Drive 0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:41.760 and it's the one thing that I mistakenly deleted. 0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:44.759 So I'm not kidding. It was not even anywhere to 0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:45.359 be found. Now. 0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:47.680 I know I've been sending a Christmas card to this 0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:51.200 person for like the past ten years. And I remember 0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:52.640 a couple of years ago we were going through to 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:55.160 do our Christmas cards and I couldn't find our address list. 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:56.040 I had thrown it out. 0:52:56.360 --> 0:52:57.920 And I guess once I threw it out, I go 0:52:58.040 --> 0:52:59.840 through this thing where I like empty the trash to 0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:02.440 and it says this warning like this all be deleted 0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:04.320 in thirty days, and I go, nah, I'll just delete 0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:07.560 it all right now, let's clean. Let's sweep it clean anyway, 0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:11.239 all right. So ans to your question, So when it 0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:14.680 comes to backing up one hundred percent, like what you're doing, 0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:16.440 I like the idea of doing this, and you've got 0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:19.520 a lot of data, so you can use an off 0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:23.560 the shelf product like Synology to do something. I have 0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:26.840 a little experience with the Synology just sort of the 0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:30.440 basic consumer NAS that they have, and NAS that's a 0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:34.640 fancy term for network attached storage, So that means that 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:37.960 this is a small server that you sort of keep 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:39.920 in your home. You know, if you work for a company, 0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:42.520 all that data that you're accessing on there, you know, 0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:46.160 you're navigating to these different folders and files on these servers. 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:49.040 That's really a server that you can kind of have 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:50.120 at home with this NAS. 0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:54.839 And so Snology is a big company that provides both, 0:53:55.360 --> 0:54:00.239 you know, consumer and prosumer solutions, and what you get 0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:03.160 from them would be a box that you can connect 0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:05.640 to your network with an Ethernet cable and then you 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:07.560 go and you buy hard drives. Now, in this case 0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:10.239 one hundred terabyte drive. That's you know, that's going to 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:12.640 be very expensive and you may need a couple of those. 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:15.960 But what the Synology software does is it kind of 0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:19.520 makes sure that everything on those drives is mirrored. So 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:22.040 let's say you have, like me, if I have five 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:25.919 gigabytes or five terabytes of stuff, I'd had one drive 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:29.040 in there that's ten terabytes. All of my data's on there, 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:32.520 and then there'd be another drive or redundant drive that 0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:36.120 everything is continuously copied to that second drive. So something 0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:38.920 fails on that first drive, all the data is there 0:54:39.000 --> 0:54:42.200 on the second drive. So that's how that works. And 0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:44.680 then of course you want a backup that's somewhere not 0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:48.239 in your home, because what if something happened to your home, 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:51.000 what if there's a flood. There are systems you can 0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:53.560 get that you can put these Synology drives in to 0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:56.160 keep them safe from fire and flood as well, but 0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:59.080 that's a whole other thing. As for the free software, 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:03.160 I think Stephen, that you are a tinkerer. I think 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:05.439 that you want to do this yourself, so I would 0:55:05.480 --> 0:55:07.880 go with the free software. A true NASS like you mentioned, 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:10.240 is a very popular one. I have not used it personally, 0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:12.600 but I think that that's probably what you're going to 0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:14.640 go with because that's something that you want to build 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:16.759 on your own, and I think that that's what you're 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:19.880 going to be more most happy with. And that's a 0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:21.920 lot of data. That's a lot of stuff to keep 0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:24.200 backed up, so you're going to need some big hard 0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:26.800 drives for that. But I would do that and just 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:29.239 continue to build this system the way that you want 0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:33.680 it and hopefully it'll continue to keep your stuff backed up. 0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:36.440 I don't think in your case with a hunterd terabytes, 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:39.359 you can back that up off site. That's for sure, 0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:42.239 all right. I do want to mention before we get 0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:45.800 to our next guest, the chat GPT app for iOS. 0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:50.600 So chat GPT app for iOS is available. It's the 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:54.760 first official app from chat GPT. You can now download 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:56.520 it for the iPhone. I will put the link on 0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:58.920 my website because if you search for it, it may 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:01.319 be tough to find and you may get an imitation app. 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:05.759 So rich on Tech dot tv for that. Coming back 0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:10.799 right after this, Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:13.839 Demiro here talking technology with you. If you have a question, 0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:17.080 give me a call at triple eight Rich one oh one. 0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:20.799 That's eight eight eight seven four to two four to. 0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:25.080 One zero one shows. Moving along here. 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:29.160 I just found my flight to Athens cheapest one I 0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:31.760 could find nine hundred ninety one bucks. No direct flights 0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:35.920 from lax but this is on a airline called air Transap. 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:37.320 Never heard of that one. 0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:42.320 June third through seventh, So I guess I'll need a 0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:44.880 fill in for that weekend, or I guess I'll do 0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:48.440 the show from Athens. All right, on the show. Now 0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:51.560 joining me is Jared Newman one of my favorite newsletters. 0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:53.560 Most of the newsletters I get in my inbox, I 0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:57.080 just delete, like without reading them. Jared's never that never 0:56:57.239 --> 0:56:59.239 happens to his newsletter because it's so good. 0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:00.359 There's two of them. 0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:04.080 There's Cord Cutters Weekly and then there is Advisorator. Both 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:06.640 of them are excellent. Jared, Welcome to the show. 0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:09.800 Hey, Rich, thanks for saying that. I really appreciate it. 0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:12.400 Hey, last time you're on, I think we crashed your 0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:15.560 website because so many people were trying to subscribe. So 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:16.800 let's hope to do that again. 0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:18.160 Yes, I did. 0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:21.560 I did upgrade my website, so hopefully that won't happen again. Oh. 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:25.640 Perfect, Well, welcome to the show. So first off, let's 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:26.840 what do you want to talk about? First, you want 0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:29.720 to talk about this idea of the passwordless future or 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:30.280 do you want to. 0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:31.800 Talk about what do you want to talk about? I'm 0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:33.320 open at anything passwordless? 0:57:33.920 --> 0:57:36.080 All right, So this is a new feature, and I 0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:39.280 know we've heard about the idea of past you know, 0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:42.400 no passwords for so long now, and there's been many 0:57:42.600 --> 0:57:45.480 solutions in the past, but now we're getting a little 0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:49.560 step closer with Google. Can you explain what they did 0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:51.280 this in recent weeks. 0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:56.040 Yeah, so Google and Apple and Microsoft and a bunch 0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:59.800 of industry players have worked together on this system called 0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:05.000 past keys, And the way it works is traditionally, you 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:07.840 want to sign up for a website, you create a password, 0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:11.240 and you give that password to the website. They store it, 0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:13.440 and then you have to enter that password to log in. 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:17.480 The way that passkeys work is is kind of like 0:58:17.560 --> 0:58:20.640 a password, but it's stored on your device instead of 0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:24.240 stored with whatever website you're signing into. And so the 0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:26.800 best way to kind of think about it is you 0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:29.840 want to sign in to say eBay or what have you, 0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:33.040 You create a pass key on your phone, and then 0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:36.360 your phone says, hey, eBay, rich is who he says 0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:39.640 he is because we just checked his face ID, we've 0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:42.600 got his past key here, so let him into the website. 0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:46.880 So supposed to work really elegantly in the sense that 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:50.080 there's no risk of your password being stolen in a 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:55.760 security breach. Theoretically, if passwords don't exist anymore, then you're 0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:59.600 resistant to phishing attempts. And it's also just you don't 0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:03.120 have to member of password anymore generated in a password manager. 0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:06.360 So in theory, this is all going to make our 0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:07.640 password headaches go away. 0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:08.200 Wow. 0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:10.760 Okay, so let's go back to the eBay example. Okay, 0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:14.440 so don't I have to create an account with a 0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:17.160 password to begin or you're saying in the future, you 0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:19.200 wouldn't even have to do that. They would just say, okay, 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:21.840 you know, scan a QR code on your phone or 0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:24.400 something to link this up your passcode on your phone 0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:25.000 to this site. 0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:25.840 How's that going to work? 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:29.120 Yeah, So in the future that is the idea. Pretty 0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:32.080 much every version of password lists that you see today 0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:35.320 there is still a password. And in fact, if you 0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:36.560 go to eBay now. 0:59:36.640 --> 0:59:39.240 Wait, you're telling me that in the future with password lists, 0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:40.160 we still have a password. 0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:44.040 Well, I think they want to get rid of passwords 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:46.440 over time. But you know, one thing, which is what 0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:48.960 I wrote about, is that the whole implementation right now 0:59:49.080 --> 0:59:52.840 is really messy and not really conducive to getting rid 0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:56.440 of passwords entirely. You're still going to need that fallback 0:59:57.040 --> 1:00:00.240 for a while, just because there's a a lot of 1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:03.760 areas where trying to log in with this passwordless system 1:00:04.120 --> 1:00:07.600 just falls apart, and so you still need the old ways. 1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:09.760 Okay, So who is supporting this? 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.240 So Apple on the sort of the system level. Apple 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:19.760 supports it, Google supports it on Android, and Microsoft supports it. 1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:23.720 One thing that gets a little tricky is just it's 1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:27.360 all tied to whatever ecosystem you're in. So let's say 1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:30.560 you're using an Android phone you want to sign into eBay. 1:00:30.680 --> 1:00:33.680 That passkey is stored in Android. You want to use 1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:37.479 an iPad to log into your eBay account. That gets 1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:41.560 a little messy in terms of how you access that passkey. Now, 1:00:41.600 --> 1:00:45.240 there's sort of like a Bluetooth QR code system where 1:00:45.360 --> 1:00:48.640 you need to transfer the passkey over, and there isn't 1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:51.720 really a way to switch all of your passkeys into 1:00:51.800 --> 1:00:54.880 a different ecosystem. So you know, if you have a 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:58.880 password manager now, you use one password and you decide 1:00:58.880 --> 1:01:02.160 you want to switch to Orton, you can export all 1:01:02.200 --> 1:01:05.640 your passwords, move them over and just go about your business. 1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:08.400 There's nothing like that with passkeys now, So that is 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:11.960 one thing that needs to be figured out. The other 1:01:12.040 --> 1:01:14.000 thing is just the way it works with all these 1:01:14.040 --> 1:01:18.320 sites is entirely different. If you want to create a 1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:20.400 passkey with best Buy, So if you go to log 1:01:20.440 --> 1:01:22.880 in a best Buy now, you'll see that their login 1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:25.200 page has a button that says sign in with passkey. 1:01:25.840 --> 1:01:27.120 That's cal passkey. 1:01:27.240 --> 1:01:29.720 You have to actually go deep into this account settings 1:01:29.760 --> 1:01:33.960 page and go find the option. It's almost like deliberately 1:01:34.040 --> 1:01:35.960 hidden out of the way so that normal people don't 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:36.240 find it. 1:01:36.440 --> 1:01:39.240 Okay, I'm looking at some of the websites that support passkeys, 1:01:39.840 --> 1:01:45.040 according to Digital Trends, PayPal, Kayak, best Buy, eBay, go Daddy, Google, 1:01:45.160 --> 1:01:49.600 dash Lane, Safari, card pointers. That's not too many websites. 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:52.600 But here's the other thing. So, because my phone is 1:01:52.760 --> 1:01:56.160 my passcode now or my past key, I should say 1:01:56.720 --> 1:01:58.160 what happens if I lose my phone. 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:03.680 This riles me up because I think there are systems 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:07.000 to recover your pass keys, but they're just not really 1:02:07.600 --> 1:02:10.080 very clearly documented. I think what's gonna happen in the 1:02:10.160 --> 1:02:14.800 future is the ideal. Ideally, you have more than one device, right, 1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:17.320 so if you lose your phone, maybe you use your 1:02:17.440 --> 1:02:21.840 laptop to kind of reauthenticate a new phone, or maybe 1:02:21.880 --> 1:02:24.520 you have some backup codes printed somewhere. As if your 1:02:24.560 --> 1:02:28.000 phone's only your only device, you have a contingency plan 1:02:29.320 --> 1:02:32.040 or like Apple has the concept of a trusted contact 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:34.520 where you know, you go to your spouse or something 1:02:34.600 --> 1:02:38.080 and say, all right, this person can unlock my account 1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:40.520 if I lose my phone. But as it stands, it's 1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:43.000 just all of this is not really made clear to 1:02:43.200 --> 1:02:46.200 users when they're getting started, and that again comes back 1:02:46.240 --> 1:02:49.000 to we're still going to need these passwords, uh, to 1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:52.440 kind of mitigate all that. I actually just ran into 1:02:52.520 --> 1:02:55.800 this the other day because I did the Google pass 1:02:55.960 --> 1:02:58.720 key setup and I set it up on an Android device, 1:02:59.640 --> 1:03:02.080 and then I I went to log into a new 1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:07.240 site on my iPhone and the website wanted to connect 1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:10.040 with my Google account, and so when I went to 1:03:10.160 --> 1:03:13.120 do that, this app had its own like sort of 1:03:13.160 --> 1:03:15.640 in ap browser to connect to my Google account, so 1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:18.040 I had to do the whole signing system from scratch. 1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:21.480 And then Google recognized that I had a passkey, so 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:23.920 it was like the default thing was sign in with 1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:25.960 your pass key, but the only way I could get 1:03:26.040 --> 1:03:29.880 that passkey from my Android phone was to display a 1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:32.400 QR code on the Android phone and scan it with 1:03:32.520 --> 1:03:34.800 my iPhone. And that's just like this is way too hard, 1:03:34.880 --> 1:03:36.120 Like I don't want to deal with any of that. 1:03:36.320 --> 1:03:38.720 So I ended up having to click through a bunch 1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:40.840 of options to get back to signing into my password. 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:44.360 So I think that this whole idea is really sound. 1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:46.560 I don't want to sound like somebody that thinks this 1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:48.840 will not take off. I think eventually it will work, 1:03:48.920 --> 1:03:51.600 but just right now it's in this phase where there's 1:03:51.800 --> 1:03:54.120 a lot of industry excitement. It doesn't really match up 1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:56.800 with the reality of what people will experience when they 1:03:56.840 --> 1:03:57.520 go try to use it. 1:03:57.680 --> 1:03:58.720 Right off, like actually using it. 1:03:58.800 --> 1:04:01.560 But the bottom line is, so your phone, now remember 1:04:01.600 --> 1:04:05.640 these things, these little like USB devices like a UB 1:04:05.800 --> 1:04:08.080 key that you would plug in or you know, not 1:04:08.200 --> 1:04:10.600 even that it's it's like, remember there's like a device 1:04:10.640 --> 1:04:12.560 that would like display a code every like a two 1:04:12.640 --> 1:04:15.080 factor I mean, there's been so many things over the 1:04:15.160 --> 1:04:18.080 years to try to secure our accounts. So what they're 1:04:18.120 --> 1:04:22.240 saying is your phone is sort of your security code now, 1:04:22.400 --> 1:04:24.720 like it's it's your phone. If you have your phone, 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:27.480 you should be able to sign into a place without 1:04:27.760 --> 1:04:28.880 thinking about a password. 1:04:29.720 --> 1:04:31.280 Yeah, that's right. I think the idea is that you 1:04:31.320 --> 1:04:35.360 get rid of these two factor authentication steps. Because you 1:04:35.520 --> 1:04:37.920 have your phone, you unlock it with your face or 1:04:38.040 --> 1:04:44.120 your fingerprint, and that sufficiently proves who you are. At 1:04:44.200 --> 1:04:46.120 least that's that's the idea. In theory. There is some 1:04:46.600 --> 1:04:48.280 some nitpicking over the fact that you can get in 1:04:48.360 --> 1:04:50.360 with a pin and if somebody steals your pin, you're 1:04:50.680 --> 1:04:53.040 in trouble. So it's like, again, there's just a lot 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:56.640 of layers here, and even me just trying to wrap 1:04:56.720 --> 1:04:59.480 my head around. Okay, I've got you know, I've got 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:01.800 three pas keys now stored in my Best Guy account 1:05:01.800 --> 1:05:04.640 because I've got three different device ecosystems, and then there's 1:05:04.640 --> 1:05:06.720 another set of passkeys for Google. And it's just like 1:05:07.080 --> 1:05:08.920 this is hard for me even as a techie. 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:12.440 It so bottom line, and I've got just about a 1:05:12.480 --> 1:05:14.720 minute here, So do you recommend people set this up 1:05:14.840 --> 1:05:16.080 or just kind of sit and wait on this. 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:19.520 I think if you're kind of experimental about it and 1:05:19.600 --> 1:05:21.440 want to give it a try, you can. Again, the 1:05:21.520 --> 1:05:26.040 passwords aren't going away, so there's not like a huge risk, 1:05:26.240 --> 1:05:27.880 but you might run into some of these things like 1:05:27.960 --> 1:05:30.360 I ran into where your pass is stored on one 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:32.720 device and you get to jump through an extra hoop 1:05:32.800 --> 1:05:35.720 to like not use that pass key, but you're not 1:05:35.800 --> 1:05:37.680 going to get locked out of your account as is. 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:39.400 As a result in that, all. 1:05:39.360 --> 1:05:41.240 Right, switching gears real quick before we got to go, 1:05:41.720 --> 1:05:43.479 how do we get free Apple TV Plus? 1:05:45.040 --> 1:05:48.120 I sent you a few links. Basically, there's all these 1:05:48.240 --> 1:05:50.760 three months or two month free trials out there. Apple 1:05:50.880 --> 1:05:54.040 just launched a two month trial. Best Buy and Target 1:05:54.120 --> 1:05:56.480 have had them for ages now, and you would think 1:05:56.520 --> 1:05:59.080 with these trials you could only redeem them once. My 1:05:59.280 --> 1:06:01.960 experience has been if you kind of cycle through them, 1:06:02.320 --> 1:06:04.240 you can just kind of keep redeeming them. I'm a 1:06:04.280 --> 1:06:06.919 little hesitant about saying this on a huge radio show, 1:06:06.960 --> 1:06:09.320 but so far I haven't paid for Apple TV yet. 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:12.240 I've watched pretty much everything that I wanted to watch 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:13.200 over the past couple of years. 1:06:13.280 --> 1:06:16.560 I'm always surprised, and I've been using your chord Cutter 1:06:16.920 --> 1:06:19.120 sign up codes that come in your newsletter to sign 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:21.320 up for Paramount Plus. I must have signed up now 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:24.280 three or four times, and every single time I'm surprised 1:06:24.320 --> 1:06:26.480 that it continues to work. But now that I said this, 1:06:27.040 --> 1:06:28.840 guess what, It'll probably stop working. 1:06:29.800 --> 1:06:32.080 Well. See, I'm always just as surprised as you. 1:06:32.120 --> 1:06:34.040 Are, all right, So I put all the links to everything. 1:06:34.400 --> 1:06:37.560 Jared Newman of Advisorator, thanks so much for joining me today. 1:06:37.560 --> 1:06:40.280 I'm putting all the links on the website. What's the 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:41.400 best way for folks to get in. 1:06:41.440 --> 1:06:41.800 Touch with you. 1:06:42.880 --> 1:06:45.040 Oh, if you want to sign up for chord Cutter Weekly, 1:06:45.120 --> 1:06:48.800 it's just Chordcutterweekly dot com and you'll get a welcome 1:06:48.840 --> 1:06:50.640 email from me, so you can always just reply to 1:06:50.720 --> 1:06:51.520 that get in touch. 1:06:51.920 --> 1:06:53.520 All right, thanks so much for joining me today. I 1:06:53.520 --> 1:06:56.560 appreciate it. Yeah, thanks, Rich all right. Jared Newman of 1:06:56.760 --> 1:06:59.800 Advisorator put him on the website. So if you go 1:06:59.840 --> 1:07:03.120 to rich on tech dot tv you can get the 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:05.320 links to everything we just talked about. Past keys to 1:07:05.400 --> 1:07:06.960 sign up for the newsletter, and of course how to 1:07:07.000 --> 1:07:11.480 get free Apple TV. Plus I'm paying like thirty three 1:07:11.600 --> 1:07:13.960 dollars a month for all those Apple services, and I'm 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:16.880 really trying to like cut down on that because I 1:07:17.280 --> 1:07:18.800 feel like I could do that. 1:07:19.000 --> 1:07:21.320 But anyway, that's my problem, not yours. 1:07:21.880 --> 1:07:22.200 All right. 1:07:22.240 --> 1:07:24.560 Coming up later in the show, we're gonna talk the 1:07:24.640 --> 1:07:27.880 good old days of BlackBerry. We're gonna talk about some 1:07:27.960 --> 1:07:31.000 new Amazon products. Plus your calls at triple eight rich 1:07:31.040 --> 1:07:33.280 one on one. That's eight eight eight seven four to 1:07:33.320 --> 1:07:39.000 two four one zero one. Rich Demiro here, Rich on 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:42.040 Tech talking technology with you. The phone number to call 1:07:42.280 --> 1:07:44.800 is triple eight rich one on one that's eight eight 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:49.560 eight seven four to two four one zero one, or 1:07:49.640 --> 1:07:53.240 you can email hello at Rich on tech dot TV. 1:07:54.560 --> 1:07:56.920 AL is in Woodland. 1:07:56.520 --> 1:07:57.920 Hills, AL. 1:07:58.120 --> 1:08:00.560 You're on with Rich Hey, rich Kin you doing? 1:08:00.760 --> 1:08:02.040 I am doing fantastic. 1:08:02.120 --> 1:08:03.360 How are you fine? 1:08:03.480 --> 1:08:04.080 Love your show? 1:08:04.320 --> 1:08:04.800 Oh? Thank you? 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:07.040 I watch you almost every morning. 1:08:07.400 --> 1:08:09.520 Oh nice, I like to hear that. See you up 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:10.000 early or. 1:08:10.000 --> 1:08:12.520 What I recorded? 1:08:12.760 --> 1:08:15.680 Ah, Okay, I don't get up better early. Well, I do, 1:08:16.040 --> 1:08:19.360 believe me. And it's if people say, oh, it gets easy, 1:08:20.600 --> 1:08:24.040 I don't think so, at least not in the twelve 1:08:24.120 --> 1:08:26.639 years I've been doing it. But it's it's a load 1:08:26.680 --> 1:08:28.599 of fun. So I you know, that's what keeps me going. 1:08:29.080 --> 1:08:31.879 Glad you enjoy it. Okay. So I had a problem 1:08:31.960 --> 1:08:35.560 with chat apt which I thought was fantastic. That the 1:08:35.680 --> 1:08:39.760 problem was they cut me off and I said, I'm 1:08:40.840 --> 1:08:44.519 exercised my maximum amount of rere selections and I need 1:08:44.640 --> 1:08:48.200 to subscribe for nineteen nine and nine a month. But 1:08:48.360 --> 1:08:50.680 guess what, I just locked in now just to make 1:08:50.760 --> 1:08:54.840 sure and now I can get in. Okay, But that 1:08:54.960 --> 1:08:59.599 sounds new very inaccurate on certain things. 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:02.639 Yeah, Oh you mean when you're asking it stuff? 1:09:03.560 --> 1:09:07.479 Oh A review of the movie Air. Yeah, click movie 1:09:07.640 --> 1:09:10.679 and they kip giving me an old sci fi thriller. 1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:13.439 Well okay, so on that note, so a couple things. 1:09:13.479 --> 1:09:15.800 You got a lot to unpack here. So number one, 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:20.200 chat GPT is only up to date until twenty twenty one, 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:24.760 so it doesn't even know about the movie Air, so, which, 1:09:24.800 --> 1:09:26.360 by the way, I've heard is an excellent movie. 1:09:26.560 --> 1:09:28.120 So there's my review. 1:09:28.840 --> 1:09:31.439 Okay, I haven't watched yet, but I guess it's it's 1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:33.599 on Prime and it's in the theater so you can 1:09:33.800 --> 1:09:36.080 see it, you know, if you have Prime. So that's 1:09:36.200 --> 1:09:41.040 number one. Number two, what website are you using to 1:09:41.160 --> 1:09:45.200 access chat gpt? Because basically there have been so many 1:09:46.240 --> 1:09:48.720 kling on sites that sort of are playing upon this 1:09:49.000 --> 1:09:51.280 that there's a lot of stuff that people are accessing 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:53.040 that are not necessarily the original. 1:09:53.640 --> 1:09:55.120 So what websit are you using? 1:09:55.640 --> 1:09:59.760 Looks like a AI chat and it's got a most 1:09:59.800 --> 1:10:02.840 like op up Olympic Rings logo. 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:08.880 Okay, so the way the official website is chat dot 1:10:09.040 --> 1:10:10.439 OpenAI dot com. 1:10:10.560 --> 1:10:11.439 Is that the one you're going to? 1:10:12.160 --> 1:10:15.559 I'm not sure, but I'll try it again, okay dot 1:10:15.680 --> 1:10:16.760 com Okay, And this. 1:10:16.840 --> 1:10:19.880 Is important for for many people because if you go 1:10:20.280 --> 1:10:23.960 online and search chat GBT, you may not get the 1:10:24.040 --> 1:10:26.479 official website the first time because there's so many other 1:10:26.560 --> 1:10:30.040 websites that are, you know, playing upon the popularity of 1:10:30.200 --> 1:10:33.160 this site, and there's other there's other things going on too. 1:10:33.640 --> 1:10:36.640 Some websites will use the power of chat GBT to 1:10:37.080 --> 1:10:40.240 power their own search chats and all that stuff. 1:10:40.320 --> 1:10:41.000 Ai chat. 1:10:41.439 --> 1:10:43.719 So if you want the original, if you want the official, 1:10:43.840 --> 1:10:46.599 it's chat dot open ai dot com. 1:10:47.400 --> 1:10:51.120 Okay, I'll try that now when it comes Yeah, thing 1:10:51.400 --> 1:10:52.040 and barred. 1:10:52.479 --> 1:10:53.040 Good question. 1:10:53.320 --> 1:10:58.240 So I personally am really enjoying Bard because what I 1:10:58.400 --> 1:11:01.280 like about it is it's up to date, it's fast, 1:11:01.600 --> 1:11:04.080 and it's free. And so if you want to try 1:11:04.120 --> 1:11:07.439 that one, that is at Bard dot Google dot com, 1:11:08.040 --> 1:11:11.280 and just as of last week, they opened it up 1:11:11.320 --> 1:11:13.760 to everyone, so you no longer have to get on 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:16.759 the wait list. You just go to Bard dot Google 1:11:16.800 --> 1:11:20.679 dot com and you can start using it immediately. Now 1:11:21.000 --> 1:11:24.080 with Bing, if you want to access that one that 1:11:24.280 --> 1:11:29.920 is at bing dot com slash New and with that 1:11:30.160 --> 1:11:34.160 they're requiring you to download Microsoft Edge to use it. 1:11:34.360 --> 1:11:34.960 For some reason. 1:11:35.000 --> 1:11:38.240 I don't know why they're still doing that, but that 1:11:38.400 --> 1:11:40.160 is what you have to do, and Bang I thought 1:11:40.320 --> 1:11:44.720 was okay. And Bing actually uses chat GPT as their 1:11:44.880 --> 1:11:47.400 back end and it is up to date, so it 1:11:47.479 --> 1:11:49.679 does have the latest. If you looked up the review 1:11:49.880 --> 1:11:52.559 of Air on Bing, it should come up with the answer. 1:11:55.080 --> 1:11:57.920 But I found that Bing was a lot slower and 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:00.320 the answers were just not as good is what I 1:12:00.400 --> 1:12:03.280 was getting from Google. So I personally have been using Google. 1:12:03.360 --> 1:12:05.120 I know that a lot of people like chat GBT, 1:12:05.800 --> 1:12:08.320 but it really comes down to personal preference. Let's see, 1:12:08.680 --> 1:12:12.920 give me a review of the twenty twenty three movie Air, 1:12:13.280 --> 1:12:15.920 Let's see what it comes up with on Google, and 1:12:16.520 --> 1:12:19.640 let's see if it is going to do that. And 1:12:19.920 --> 1:12:22.040 sure enough, there it is. It gives me the whole thing. 1:12:22.960 --> 1:12:25.960 So yeah, so Google is very up to date on 1:12:26.080 --> 1:12:30.160 their information. But again it just kind of comes down 1:12:30.200 --> 1:12:32.880 to personal preference. Chat GBT, I think right now, has 1:12:32.960 --> 1:12:36.960 the most apps that plug into it, so you can, 1:12:37.160 --> 1:12:39.960 you know, do different things with chat GBT, And like 1:12:40.040 --> 1:12:42.479 I mentioned, they also have the app, so if you 1:12:42.560 --> 1:12:44.719 want to get the app for chat GBT on the iPhone, 1:12:44.800 --> 1:12:46.920 it's only available for iPhone right now. It's not an 1:12:46.920 --> 1:12:50.479 Android just yet, but it is really good, so al, 1:12:50.600 --> 1:12:52.679 what do you think of the AI that you're seeing 1:12:52.720 --> 1:12:54.799 on this stuff? You think, I think it's pretty. 1:12:54.600 --> 1:12:55.000 Cool or what? 1:12:55.920 --> 1:12:59.240 Well, it's a combination of pretty cool and pretty dangerous. Yeah, 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:00.840 the wrong hands. 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:01.320 Yeah. 1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:04.559 I think that's the big concern right now is where 1:13:04.680 --> 1:13:07.240 this is going to go in the future. Right But 1:13:07.360 --> 1:13:09.400 I would I would cancel that twenty bucks a month. 1:13:09.439 --> 1:13:10.920 I don't think you need to be paying twenty dollars 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:11.719 a month for this stuff. 1:13:11.840 --> 1:13:13.240 I would refused. 1:13:13.680 --> 1:13:16.280 Okay, okay, I would agree with that. 1:13:16.920 --> 1:13:17.599 Thank you so much. 1:13:17.680 --> 1:13:22.519 All right, thanks for asking. Very popular, very popular these 1:13:22.600 --> 1:13:25.560 days to talk AI. It's pretty much the only conversation 1:13:25.680 --> 1:13:29.400 that's happening almost everywhere. So how long do I have 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:31.080 to before I can? I? Can I get one more 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:34.880 thing in? I got a minute? Okay, let's see. Well, 1:13:35.040 --> 1:13:36.880 let me tell you about two things that are happening 1:13:36.920 --> 1:13:40.000 here with Echo. These are two new devices I want 1:13:40.000 --> 1:13:42.360 to tell you about. Echo Pop. This is from Amazon 1:13:42.520 --> 1:13:46.439 forty bucks. This is a new speaker and it's comes 1:13:46.520 --> 1:13:48.400 in four different colors. And the cool thing about this 1:13:48.479 --> 1:13:50.759 Echo Pop is that if you have an euro network, 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:54.040 it'll add to your Wi Fi network as a access point. 1:13:54.120 --> 1:13:56.559 So that's kind of Neat and the other new product 1:13:56.600 --> 1:13:59.680 from Amazon this week is the Echo Buds. These are 1:13:59.720 --> 1:14:02.280 fifty earbuds. I have not tested them, so I can't 1:14:02.280 --> 1:14:05.160 tell you how good they are. But what's cool is 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:08.000 that you know they're water resistant all this stuff. But 1:14:08.080 --> 1:14:11.360 they have this cool multi point pairing feature, which means 1:14:11.400 --> 1:14:13.759 you can pair your Echo buds to two different devices, 1:14:13.840 --> 1:14:16.519 say a laptop and a phone, and they will switch 1:14:16.640 --> 1:14:18.760 between the audio. So if you're listening to music on 1:14:18.840 --> 1:14:20.720 your phone and all of a sudden, a zoom call 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:23.400 comes in on your laptop, it'll switch to that device. 1:14:23.720 --> 1:14:25.880 So that's kind of a cool feature that typically the 1:14:26.000 --> 1:14:29.920 more expensive earbuds have, and especially the air pods have. 1:14:30.280 --> 1:14:35.200 So Echo Pop, New Speaker, Echo Buds, New earbuds, two 1:14:35.280 --> 1:14:37.240 new products from Amazon this week. 1:14:37.360 --> 1:14:39.719 They come out with a lot of Alexa stuff. 1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:44.240 They say they've got half a billion devices running Alexa 1:14:44.280 --> 1:14:44.800 at this point. 1:14:44.960 --> 1:14:47.639 That's a lot. All right, give me a call triple 1:14:47.680 --> 1:14:50.040 eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven four 1:14:50.080 --> 1:14:51.680 to two four to one zero one. 1:14:51.720 --> 1:14:53.640 That rounds out this hour. I'll be back in just 1:14:53.680 --> 1:15:01.080 a bit with more rich on Tech. Welcome back to 1:15:01.520 --> 1:15:04.080 rich On Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging out with you 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:07.200 talking technology at Triple eight Rich. 1:15:07.240 --> 1:15:10.599 One oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four to two, 1:15:11.040 --> 1:15:12.599 four to one zero one. 1:15:13.560 --> 1:15:17.320 Welcome to our number three of the show. If you 1:15:17.360 --> 1:15:19.200 have a call or a question, give me a call. 1:15:20.520 --> 1:15:23.080 Everyone seemed to be looking at me this week with 1:15:23.240 --> 1:15:28.559 this story about car makers removing AM radio from their cars. 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:30.840 Everyone's like, Rich, what do you think about this? 1:15:31.160 --> 1:15:31.360 Rich? 1:15:31.960 --> 1:15:33.840 You just got a show on AM radio. What do 1:15:33.880 --> 1:15:34.320 you think? 1:15:35.120 --> 1:15:39.000 I mean, I'm no expert, but I don't like it 1:15:40.040 --> 1:15:44.040 and I definitely am not a fan. And also it's 1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:46.680 one of these things where well, let me tell you 1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:52.200 the story. So BMW, Mazda, Volvo, Volkswagen, and Tesla have 1:15:52.320 --> 1:15:56.080 either removed AM radio from some of their electric cars 1:15:56.880 --> 1:15:59.880 or they're going to. And Ford said that they're going 1:15:59.920 --> 1:16:03.479 to ditch AM radio in all cars, all new cars, 1:16:03.640 --> 1:16:07.240 gas or electric, and a lot of times, especially with Tesla, 1:16:07.320 --> 1:16:12.760 they mentioned that this is because of electromagnetic interference from 1:16:13.160 --> 1:16:16.280 with the evs and the electrical systems, and also the 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:19.960 electric motors interfere with the AM frequencies which make them 1:16:20.040 --> 1:16:24.360 not sound so good. But there are four thousand AM 1:16:24.479 --> 1:16:28.120 radio stations out there that broadcast news, talk shows, sports, 1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:32.400 my show. So what are people going to do, especially 1:16:32.479 --> 1:16:36.599 when it comes to emergencies. There's all the emergency weather alerts. 1:16:37.560 --> 1:16:40.760 The National Association of Broadcasters says AM radio is the 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:45.760 backbone of the nation's emergency alert system. And also AM frequencies. 1:16:45.880 --> 1:16:48.240 They travel further, they go through more objects, so you 1:16:48.360 --> 1:16:51.800 can hear them in more places, so they just work better. 1:16:53.200 --> 1:16:57.559 But this is the debate why this is happening, whether 1:16:57.600 --> 1:16:59.840 it's going to continue, and what's going to happen to 1:17:00.000 --> 1:17:03.519 AM radio. I don't have the answer, but I do 1:17:03.720 --> 1:17:07.559 know this. I grew up with AM radio. I grew 1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:11.280 up listening to it, my dad listening to it every 1:17:11.320 --> 1:17:14.519 single day on the way to school. Many people still 1:17:14.600 --> 1:17:19.439 listen here and in other places. And yes, times are changing. 1:17:19.560 --> 1:17:22.720 People are streaming, they're listening to satellite, they're listening to 1:17:22.840 --> 1:17:26.800 streaming podcasts, whatever. There are a million ways to listen. 1:17:27.520 --> 1:17:32.360 But why remove one of the options when people still 1:17:32.560 --> 1:17:37.920 like it? And these car makers, Yeah, the whole interference 1:17:38.000 --> 1:17:40.080 and all that stuff. I mean, if someone's doing it, 1:17:40.240 --> 1:17:43.600 then they can do it now. I do know some 1:17:43.760 --> 1:17:46.800 of the stations will simulcast on an FM like an 1:17:46.960 --> 1:17:51.160 HD two or something like that. But it just seems 1:17:51.280 --> 1:17:54.639 to me as someone who's in the news when something 1:17:54.800 --> 1:17:58.519 is happening, right, when something's hitting the fan, you know 1:17:58.520 --> 1:18:01.439 what I'm talking about. You don't sit there and pull 1:18:01.560 --> 1:18:02.280 up Netflix. 1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:03.600 What do you do? 1:18:04.400 --> 1:18:08.920 You tune in to live broadcasts, over the air broadcasts. 1:18:08.960 --> 1:18:10.920 That's what we do, that's what we are trained to do, 1:18:11.080 --> 1:18:14.200 that's what we are, what we've been doing forever. And 1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:17.840 by not having that option, and let's say you've got 1:18:17.960 --> 1:18:22.040 this streaming on your car. And believe me, I love streaming, 1:18:22.160 --> 1:18:26.240 don't get me wrong, it's great. But when it comes 1:18:26.280 --> 1:18:29.080 to live things that are happening in this world, we 1:18:29.240 --> 1:18:32.519 sort of turn to broadcasts that are happening in real time, 1:18:32.680 --> 1:18:35.160 that are over the air, that can be received by 1:18:35.240 --> 1:18:38.719 anything for free, and that's how we get that information 1:18:39.439 --> 1:18:42.160 and to have that go away. A. I don't think 1:18:42.200 --> 1:18:44.040 this is going to happen overnight. People are like, oh, 1:18:44.080 --> 1:18:46.920 it's gone, it's over, it's done. No, it doesn't happen overnight. 1:18:47.200 --> 1:18:49.720 There are many cars out there that still have the 1:18:49.760 --> 1:18:51.320 ability to pick up these stations. 1:18:52.080 --> 1:18:52.240 Now. 1:18:52.479 --> 1:18:54.920 Maybe moving forward in the future there will be less, 1:18:55.040 --> 1:18:57.040 but it's not an overnight thing. It's not a cut 1:18:57.120 --> 1:18:59.080 and dry thing like oh, this is done, this is over, 1:18:59.720 --> 1:19:04.240 but it's it's definitely something to think about, especially as 1:19:05.120 --> 1:19:08.000 control goes away. So we have to think about that too. 1:19:08.400 --> 1:19:11.440 You know, when when you have something that's not available, 1:19:11.960 --> 1:19:14.280 you know, people when when it came to TV, people 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:17.240 would say, like you know, the streaming, Oh just get 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:20.639 YouTube TV or just get you know, Hulu, Well don't forget. 1:19:20.680 --> 1:19:22.800 You know, those things cost money and you have to 1:19:22.840 --> 1:19:25.640 have equipment to have it, you know, to pick it up. 1:19:26.240 --> 1:19:29.120 Whereas an antenna, you know, you could put that anywhere 1:19:29.280 --> 1:19:32.599 and get the signal the same way no matter where 1:19:32.640 --> 1:19:35.000 you are. So anyway, I just I kind of want 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:38.200 to address that, just because everyone's asking me what I 1:19:38.280 --> 1:19:43.680 think about that whole situation. There is some some bipartisan 1:19:43.840 --> 1:19:48.600 legislation to keep AM radio in cars. It's called the 1:19:48.760 --> 1:19:53.000 AM for Every Vehicle Act. It would require that automakers 1:19:53.120 --> 1:19:56.200 maintain AM broadcast radio in their vehicles without a separate 1:19:56.280 --> 1:19:59.600 or additional payment fee or search arge. This is a 1:19:59.680 --> 1:20:03.400 bill that is making its way through I guess it 1:20:03.520 --> 1:20:08.400 hasn't happened yet obviously, but anyway, something to keep an 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:11.000 eye on because it's it's definitely a topic of conversation that, 1:20:11.280 --> 1:20:13.439 Like I said, everyone's looking at me like I'm the expert. 1:20:14.120 --> 1:20:16.800 I've only been on AM radio for six months, but 1:20:17.000 --> 1:20:18.560 you know, I hope to be on here for a 1:20:18.640 --> 1:20:20.840 very long time, or any radio. 1:20:20.920 --> 1:20:21.280 I guess. 1:20:23.040 --> 1:20:25.120 We talked about AI just a minute ago. So many 1:20:25.160 --> 1:20:27.320 hot topic issues in the tech world these days. 1:20:27.680 --> 1:20:28.000 AI. 1:20:29.200 --> 1:20:32.360 Sam Altman, the guy who created chat gpt, probably the 1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:37.160 fastest product in history to get the most users in 1:20:37.240 --> 1:20:41.320 the quickest amount of time. He was before lawmakers talking 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:44.560 about AI and how everyone's kind of scared about what 1:20:44.760 --> 1:20:48.559 this could do, and we don't know. We really don't 1:20:48.640 --> 1:20:51.760 know right now. You type into a computer and ask 1:20:51.840 --> 1:20:53.880 a question. I asked for a review of the movie 1:20:53.960 --> 1:20:56.479 Air Okay, big deal. It gives me a quick review. 1:20:56.520 --> 1:20:59.240 It looks at the Internet and summarizes what everyone else 1:20:59.320 --> 1:21:01.400 is saying about it, coming up with its own thoughts 1:21:01.439 --> 1:21:04.120 on it. It's just a good summarization of what other 1:21:04.160 --> 1:21:06.439 people have said. And a lot of times it's wrong. 1:21:06.520 --> 1:21:12.200 They call it hallucinating. These things just literally make up facts, 1:21:12.880 --> 1:21:14.960 and you don't know when you're reading it if it's 1:21:15.040 --> 1:21:15.920 real or not. 1:21:16.600 --> 1:21:18.080 So you've got to be aware of this. Stuff. 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:23.640 Sam Altman was up there saying he welcomes regulation of 1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:27.920 this technology. He calls for independent audits, some sort of 1:21:28.080 --> 1:21:34.360 licensing system, and warnings like we have on food Okay, 1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:37.920 Like Google has a warning on the bottom of every page. 1:21:38.400 --> 1:21:42.240 It says Bard may display inaccurate or offensive information that 1:21:42.320 --> 1:21:45.840 doesn't represent Google's views. All it takes is one screenshot 1:21:45.880 --> 1:21:49.120 of something that Bard says that's just totally wild and wacky, 1:21:49.600 --> 1:21:51.040 and people are like, Google, why are you putting that 1:21:51.080 --> 1:21:53.120 out in the world. Well, it's not us, it's it's 1:21:53.640 --> 1:21:54.720 they have a mind of their own. 1:21:54.840 --> 1:21:57.559 These AI. Now, this is what I was getting at. 1:21:57.960 --> 1:22:01.320 Someone's gonna build this AI into a role and that 1:22:01.560 --> 1:22:04.960 robot is going to think for itself quote unquote think 1:22:06.000 --> 1:22:10.320 and make decisions and do things. That is scary because 1:22:11.280 --> 1:22:14.800 I talked about hallucination. Hallucination. How do you say that 1:22:14.880 --> 1:22:16.280 word hallucination? 1:22:16.479 --> 1:22:16.639 Right? 1:22:17.360 --> 1:22:20.720 So, imagine this robot was trained to do one thing 1:22:20.920 --> 1:22:23.000 and then it decides to do something else. I know 1:22:23.120 --> 1:22:25.080 it sounds like a sci fi movie, but that is 1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:28.479 what we are going to be facing in the future here. 1:22:29.120 --> 1:22:32.599 And I'm not one of these people that's the conspiracy theorists. 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:34.880 I'm not a fearmonger, none of those things. I am 1:22:35.040 --> 1:22:39.200 just someone who is realistic about this. There are going 1:22:39.320 --> 1:22:42.400 to be people that build this technology into things that 1:22:42.600 --> 1:22:45.840 move and do stuff. It's gonna be airplanes, it's going 1:22:45.920 --> 1:22:47.840 to be all kinds of stuff. 1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:48.360 Cars. 1:22:48.800 --> 1:22:52.120 I mean, look at the debate over Tesla and there's 1:22:52.200 --> 1:22:55.599 self driving car. We never even really heard the term 1:22:55.720 --> 1:22:58.240 AI when it came to the self driving. Now, of 1:22:58.320 --> 1:23:00.640 course every car is gonna have AI built in for 1:23:00.760 --> 1:23:03.840 self driving, and that AI will have to make decisions. 1:23:04.760 --> 1:23:10.160 Sam Altman also addressed the election next year, saying how 1:23:10.760 --> 1:23:13.479 this is going to be a significant area of concern. 1:23:14.200 --> 1:23:16.360 It's gonna be the first election where AI is gonna 1:23:16.360 --> 1:23:19.840 have a huge impact. What we see, what we hear, 1:23:20.560 --> 1:23:23.640 it's gonna be It's gonna be wild. It's gonna be 1:23:23.680 --> 1:23:26.800 a wild West of what can you believe? What can 1:23:26.840 --> 1:23:29.439 you not believe? There's gonna be videos on the Internet 1:23:29.960 --> 1:23:33.280 of politicians saying stuff and you don't know if they're real. 1:23:34.160 --> 1:23:37.639 I mean, that's wild. We've never seen that before in history. 1:23:37.680 --> 1:23:40.120 He said, Okay, let me see the video, and before 1:23:40.160 --> 1:23:42.200 it's like, I don't know, it's kind of grainy. No, now, 1:23:42.240 --> 1:23:44.560 it's gonna be them talking and you're like, Okay, I 1:23:44.560 --> 1:23:47.240 don't know if that's real or not. He said when 1:23:47.240 --> 1:23:50.320 photoshop came on the scene, people were quite fooled by 1:23:50.360 --> 1:23:54.720 the images, but then people understood that images might be photoshopped. 1:23:54.760 --> 1:23:56.040 But he said, this is going to be like that. 1:23:56.200 --> 1:24:00.479 But on steroids, people are gonna really not understand what 1:24:00.680 --> 1:24:02.240 is happening in the world with AI. 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:04.559 Let's see what else. 1:24:06.240 --> 1:24:08.600 If technology goes wrong, it can go quite wrong. We 1:24:08.680 --> 1:24:11.320 need to be on the right side of that. And yes, 1:24:11.439 --> 1:24:14.640 he said, chat GBT is going to entirely automate some 1:24:14.840 --> 1:24:18.040 jobs away, but he said that some jobs because of 1:24:18.120 --> 1:24:23.040 AI will be much better. And everyone's comparing the regulation 1:24:23.360 --> 1:24:25.759 of AI to what happened with sort of like social 1:24:25.800 --> 1:24:28.440 media networks and just kind of in general with technology 1:24:28.479 --> 1:24:31.479 over the past ten years. We kind of welcome this stuff, 1:24:31.960 --> 1:24:34.560 and now we're much more critical of it because we 1:24:34.720 --> 1:24:37.680 realized what happened. These companies were able to grow and 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:40.879 do things kind of on their own accord without much regulation, 1:24:41.439 --> 1:24:44.080 and this time around, everyone's kind of like, eh, let's 1:24:44.160 --> 1:24:46.840 kind of like, you know, maybe watch this a little 1:24:46.840 --> 1:24:50.000 bit more closely. AI is going to be really interesting. 1:24:50.200 --> 1:24:52.000 It's going to be really good in so many ways, 1:24:52.040 --> 1:24:54.720 but it's also going to have many, many implications in 1:24:54.760 --> 1:24:56.840 our lives, not all of them good. 1:24:58.240 --> 1:24:58.800 Think about that. 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:03.720 All right, coming up, we're gonna talk after I get 1:25:03.720 --> 1:25:05.599 all the scary stuff out, Let's talk about the fun 1:25:05.640 --> 1:25:07.559 days when you BBN people. 1:25:07.920 --> 1:25:09.240 He said, Hey, send me your pin. 1:25:09.880 --> 1:25:12.080 We've got Christina Warren coming up to talk about the 1:25:12.120 --> 1:25:15.000 good old days of BlackBerry and of course the BlackBerry movie, 1:25:15.040 --> 1:25:15.840 which I just love. 1:25:16.840 --> 1:25:17.559 More of your calls. 1:25:17.600 --> 1:25:19.680 Phone lines are open Triple eight rich one O one 1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:22.240 eight eight eight seven four to two, four to one 1:25:22.560 --> 1:25:25.679 zero one. My name is rich d'miro. You are listening 1:25:25.760 --> 1:25:30.200 to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech. 1:25:30.360 --> 1:25:34.160 Rich DeMuro here talking technology with you at triple eight 1:25:34.400 --> 1:25:36.920 rich one O one. That's eight eight eight seven four 1:25:36.960 --> 1:25:39.160 to two, four to one zero one. 1:25:41.080 --> 1:25:43.800 Don't forget to go to the website rich on Tech 1:25:44.160 --> 1:25:44.840 dot TV. 1:25:45.080 --> 1:25:45.240 There. 1:25:45.240 --> 1:25:47.840 I've got everything linked up to what I mentioned here 1:25:47.960 --> 1:25:50.920 on the show, and there is a lot. All right, 1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:53.800 coming up, we're gonna talk about BlackBerry, the movie and 1:25:53.960 --> 1:25:57.120 the device. If you haven't seen the movie yet, I 1:25:57.160 --> 1:25:58.920 don't know why I'm so excited about the movie. 1:25:58.960 --> 1:25:59.599 It was just so good. 1:25:59.640 --> 1:26:02.400 It was just really it overdid it for me. Like 1:26:02.479 --> 1:26:04.240 I just I didn't know what to expect, but I 1:26:04.320 --> 1:26:06.519 was just like wow, came away thinking how great it was. 1:26:07.320 --> 1:26:10.320 But I did want to tell you about this emails, 1:26:10.760 --> 1:26:15.799 phishing emails. Everyone always asks about antivirus software, and honestly, 1:26:16.000 --> 1:26:20.560 I feel like that was the past of how we 1:26:20.760 --> 1:26:23.680 used to get in trouble online. You know, the viruses, 1:26:24.360 --> 1:26:26.320 and it still happens, believe me. So you do need 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:28.760 to be on guard with that. But I think a 1:26:28.960 --> 1:26:34.600 majority of the scams these days are really emails and 1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:38.120 phishing emails specifically, and not just emails but also texts. 1:26:38.800 --> 1:26:42.200 So one of these training companies that a lot of 1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:46.080 corporations use, it's called no Before. If you ever gotten 1:26:46.120 --> 1:26:47.680 one of these emails from your company that says, hey, 1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:51.120 we need you to train on how to identify a 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:54.599 phishing email. It will just take twenty minutes of your 1:26:54.680 --> 1:26:56.760 time and then you have to like click through all 1:26:56.880 --> 1:26:59.840 these like little lessons and they try to like trick 1:26:59.880 --> 1:27:02.160 you you and quiz you and teach you all at 1:27:02.200 --> 1:27:04.920 the same time. Well that's what this company does. But 1:27:05.920 --> 1:27:08.000 even though you know it's kind of one of those 1:27:08.040 --> 1:27:11.560 things that no employee wants to do. It does teach you. 1:27:11.720 --> 1:27:13.160 And I had to take one the other day. It 1:27:13.280 --> 1:27:15.200 was about phishing, and I literally slept through it. So 1:27:15.320 --> 1:27:17.799 like I can tell a phishing it was a phishing 1:27:17.920 --> 1:27:19.439 text kind of. 1:27:21.000 --> 1:27:21.400 Education. 1:27:21.800 --> 1:27:24.280 And it's just like, I, like, I could figure out 1:27:24.280 --> 1:27:27.840 a phishing text pretty easily, but I mean, you know, 1:27:28.200 --> 1:27:29.040 they're still tricky. 1:27:29.520 --> 1:27:29.800 Okay. 1:27:29.960 --> 1:27:33.320 So the reason I tell you this is because here 1:27:33.439 --> 1:27:36.760 are the emails they've seen in the first quarter of 1:27:36.840 --> 1:27:39.240 twenty twenty three that are trying to phish people, okay. 1:27:39.520 --> 1:27:41.600 And phishing is when they send you an email with 1:27:41.760 --> 1:27:43.720 either a link or a phone number in it that 1:27:43.920 --> 1:27:46.240 you click and you try to like do something like 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:49.599 whether it's update your says, hey, your Amazon order can't ship. 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:52.400 Can your credit card didn't get charged? Can you please 1:27:52.479 --> 1:27:55.360 update your number? And you go, what, my card's fine. 1:27:55.520 --> 1:27:57.400 You go in, you click it and you type in 1:27:57.439 --> 1:27:59.320 your number and you press submit and then you go, oh, no, 1:27:59.840 --> 1:28:00.920 that was a phishing email. 1:28:01.680 --> 1:28:01.960 Okay. 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:05.200 So the comment in the wild email headlines for Q 1:28:05.360 --> 1:28:10.240 one twenty twenty three Please review updated Financial Policies sounds 1:28:10.280 --> 1:28:10.960 innocent enough. 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:14.800 Zoom. The meeting has started, where are you? And sure 1:28:14.880 --> 1:28:17.560 enough you go in there, you click and it's a 1:28:17.640 --> 1:28:21.519 phishing link tries to get you to log in it 1:28:22.040 --> 1:28:24.320 laptop refresh. Ooh, I get a new laptop. 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:27.840 Yes, let me click and submit all my information. Oh wait, 1:28:28.600 --> 1:28:31.760 Meta suspicious activity. That's when I get all the time. 1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:35.000 It's always like a copyright thing or something like that. 1:28:35.200 --> 1:28:40.439 It's always through meta or Instagram. Share Point manager name 1:28:40.560 --> 1:28:42.439 has shared test data with you, and you go, what 1:28:42.920 --> 1:28:44.880 why are they sharing this with me? Let me open 1:28:44.960 --> 1:28:49.440 this up and see what that deal is. Microsoft Microsoft's 1:28:49.479 --> 1:28:53.320 new password requirements everyone uses Microsoft. Let's read about the 1:28:53.360 --> 1:28:54.520 new password requirements. 1:28:55.560 --> 1:28:55.800 HR. 1:28:56.040 --> 1:29:01.160 Please verify your banking information. Ugh, not verify your banking 1:29:01.240 --> 1:29:05.720 information to anyone, please, especially not a random email that 1:29:05.800 --> 1:29:08.280 you get. I don't think your your HR would ever 1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:08.760 do that. 1:29:09.439 --> 1:29:09.600 You know. 1:29:09.720 --> 1:29:12.160 One time I put in the wrong routing number on 1:29:12.320 --> 1:29:13.720 my paycheck. 1:29:13.920 --> 1:29:17.719 And it went to someone else's account a couple hundred 1:29:17.720 --> 1:29:19.800 bucks because I did, like I it was like a 1:29:19.880 --> 1:29:21.479 separate account I had that I was like trying to 1:29:21.560 --> 1:29:24.280 save some money in or something, and I guess I 1:29:24.360 --> 1:29:27.120 typed in the numbers wrong, and so literally someone got 1:29:27.200 --> 1:29:31.280 a couple hundred dollars from me, and I called my bank, 1:29:31.320 --> 1:29:33.720 I called my HR There's nothing they could do. They 1:29:33.920 --> 1:29:37.040 this person literally got free money. I don't even believe 1:29:37.080 --> 1:29:38.760 that that's like something that could happen, but it did. 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:42.200 I was like what, So I was like a couple 1:29:42.360 --> 1:29:44.479 numbers off, I guess with my bank account. So please 1:29:44.600 --> 1:29:48.040 check your bank account numbers, the routing numbers twice before 1:29:48.080 --> 1:29:50.960 you submit, because there's not much you can do to 1:29:51.040 --> 1:29:55.479 get that money back. Uh, docu sign, DOCU sign account 1:29:55.560 --> 1:29:59.519 suspension notice. Oh, docu sign is really a big fishing 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:01.360 one because is if you ever buy a house or 1:30:01.400 --> 1:30:04.720 a car or have to sign anything, you're using DocuSign 1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:07.760 and so you click there. Next thing you know, they're 1:30:07.800 --> 1:30:12.120 taking you for a ride. Webmail security alert for and 1:30:12.160 --> 1:30:15.560 then your email address. Now that sounds kind of generic webmail, 1:30:16.720 --> 1:30:18.919 but when it has your email address in the headline, 1:30:19.040 --> 1:30:21.040 you might say, oh, they've got my email, so that 1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:23.960 must be important. But believe me, they can get your 1:30:24.000 --> 1:30:28.200 email in a variety of ways. And then finally, refund 1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:32.719 has been processed to your account. Refund has been processed 1:30:32.760 --> 1:30:36.120 to your account. Oh, who doesn't want to refund? And 1:30:36.200 --> 1:30:37.920 then you see this large number and you say, wait, 1:30:38.240 --> 1:30:40.120 I don't think I had a refund for that amount. 1:30:41.320 --> 1:30:44.120 They say, we've seen a lot more business related email 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:48.760 subjects coming from hr it and managers in the past year, 1:30:49.400 --> 1:30:51.479 so be careful if you see anything from hr IT 1:30:51.760 --> 1:30:55.519 your managers, it's because they play upon the stuff that 1:30:55.640 --> 1:30:58.240 we really get, and a lot of us really get 1:30:58.560 --> 1:31:03.759 emails from our hr and IT managers other us. Others 1:31:03.840 --> 1:31:07.120 involve logins on new devices and password resets. Oh that's 1:31:07.160 --> 1:31:09.240 a good one. Hey, did you just log in on 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:12.120 this phone and they give you some random phone and 1:31:12.240 --> 1:31:15.479 you say no, well click here to fix that, and 1:31:15.600 --> 1:31:19.280 next thing you know, you get that that phishing email. Again, 1:31:20.479 --> 1:31:24.200 tax related subjects were really popular. And again all of 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:27.120 these attacks are effective according to no Before because they 1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:31.120 cause a person to react before thinking logically about the 1:31:31.280 --> 1:31:36.040 legitimacy of the email. So again, these all prey upon 1:31:36.640 --> 1:31:38.600 stuff that we need to do immediately because you're like, 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:41.519 wait a second, I didn't just log in. Wait a second, 1:31:41.640 --> 1:31:44.879 my routing number is wrong. I've got to sign this document. 1:31:45.520 --> 1:31:49.240 Suspicious activity. These are all things that want you to 1:31:49.320 --> 1:31:53.839 do stuff really fast, So don't do things fast online. 1:31:54.479 --> 1:31:55.040 Do it slow. 1:31:55.640 --> 1:31:57.200 When you go through I always say this when you 1:31:57.280 --> 1:32:00.800 go through sort of the the click pages that you 1:32:00.880 --> 1:32:02.360 know they want you to go through some sort of 1:32:02.400 --> 1:32:04.760 sign up or log in or flow screen, just just 1:32:04.840 --> 1:32:07.519 look at what you're doing. It's always very important to 1:32:07.640 --> 1:32:13.559 keep that in mind. Don't get fished, please, it happens 1:32:13.600 --> 1:32:16.720 to the best of us, believe me. All right, coming up, 1:32:16.840 --> 1:32:20.120 we are going to talk about the BlackBerry. I'm very excited. 1:32:20.160 --> 1:32:23.240 I know I've been hyping this up throughout the whole show. 1:32:23.600 --> 1:32:25.840 There's a new movie called BlackBerry. I don't know if 1:32:25.880 --> 1:32:28.120 you need to see it in the theaters, but definitely 1:32:28.240 --> 1:32:30.320 put it on your list to see when it comes 1:32:30.360 --> 1:32:33.240 out on streaming. But if you want to see in 1:32:33.280 --> 1:32:35.240 the theaters I did. It was a great time. We're 1:32:35.280 --> 1:32:39.599 going to talk to Christina Warren. She is a tech expert. 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:41.760 Many many years she had a BlackBerry and she wrote 1:32:41.760 --> 1:32:44.479 a great article about BlackBerry. Coming up, we're going to 1:32:44.520 --> 1:32:52.400 talk BlackBerry. You're listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back 1:32:52.439 --> 1:32:56.040 to rich On Tech. Rich Demiro here talking technology with you. 1:32:57.840 --> 1:33:01.680 And BlackBerry. Yes, do you remember your BlackBerry? 1:33:02.280 --> 1:33:02.560 I do. 1:33:03.439 --> 1:33:06.360 It's tough to remember just how exciting it was to 1:33:06.479 --> 1:33:09.920 have a BlackBerry in this iPhone world we live in. 1:33:10.640 --> 1:33:13.720 But there's a new movie called BlackBerry, which is really good. 1:33:13.800 --> 1:33:16.719 It's a fictional movie, but it's based on a true story. 1:33:16.800 --> 1:33:18.320 I saw it this week. It was excellent. 1:33:18.960 --> 1:33:21.400 Really surprised me with how good it was because I'm like, 1:33:21.560 --> 1:33:24.080 I'm a tech person, so of course I'm gonna enjoy this, 1:33:24.240 --> 1:33:26.400 but with like a random person enjoy and I think 1:33:26.439 --> 1:33:29.920 the answer is yes. Then I read this article by 1:33:30.040 --> 1:33:34.559 Christina Warren, who has been reporting on technology for many 1:33:34.640 --> 1:33:37.720 years and now as a developer, and I just had 1:33:37.760 --> 1:33:40.000 to bring her on the show to talk about this. Christina, 1:33:40.040 --> 1:33:40.720 Welcome to the show. 1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:44.360 Thank you so much for having me, And I'm so 1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:47.200 glad to be able to talk about blinking hery. 1:33:47.320 --> 1:33:49.719 Of all things, I know you, it's so wild. 1:33:49.800 --> 1:33:52.559 So I remember you back from your Mashable days, obviously, 1:33:52.840 --> 1:33:57.240 and then on Twitter your film Girl, which forever lives 1:33:57.280 --> 1:33:59.360 with me, and I remember you wrote an article about 1:33:59.400 --> 1:34:01.720 why you use that name? 1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:06.080 Right, Yeah, yeah, So I went to film school and 1:34:06.840 --> 1:34:08.720 I was in college when I started using Twitter, and 1:34:09.040 --> 1:34:11.679 that was just sort of like my name on various forums. 1:34:11.760 --> 1:34:14.479 And I didn't realize in two thousand and seven that 1:34:14.560 --> 1:34:17.599 that was going to become my identity, you know, basically 1:34:17.720 --> 1:34:18.840 for the rest of my career. 1:34:19.000 --> 1:34:21.840 But it has. There we are, but here we are. 1:34:22.760 --> 1:34:23.200 Here we are. 1:34:23.400 --> 1:34:26.320 And in this case, because you know, we're talking about 1:34:26.320 --> 1:34:28.559 the BlackBerry movie, we're talking about BlackBerry. I'm film girl. 1:34:28.880 --> 1:34:30.800 It works there you go, all right, So tell me 1:34:31.560 --> 1:34:34.799 about bring us back to the days of having a BlackBerry. 1:34:34.880 --> 1:34:37.960 It's kind of tough to remember, but they sort of 1:34:38.080 --> 1:34:41.639 paved the way for I Message and all these different 1:34:42.160 --> 1:34:45.240 I guess proprietary texting networks because BBM was really what 1:34:45.400 --> 1:34:46.839 made this device so amazing. 1:34:47.000 --> 1:34:49.320 Right to me, it really was right. 1:34:49.680 --> 1:34:53.280 So I wrote an article for Verse about how BlackBerry 1:34:53.280 --> 1:34:56.360 Messenger forever changed the way we text because after I 1:34:56.439 --> 1:34:58.519 saw the film, which I agree with you, I think 1:34:58.560 --> 1:35:01.360 it's just really really fair fantastic, whether you're you're end 1:35:01.400 --> 1:35:04.679 attach or just like these sorts of stories about balls 1:35:04.720 --> 1:35:07.559 from Grace. I was thinking about, how, you know, when 1:35:07.560 --> 1:35:09.679 you think about the BlackBerry, most of us think about 1:35:09.760 --> 1:35:12.360 the keyboard, and I think that's true, like that's an 1:35:12.479 --> 1:35:14.920 intrinsic part of the device. But for me, and I 1:35:14.960 --> 1:35:16.880 think for many of us, what made it really sticky, 1:35:17.200 --> 1:35:19.960 the thing that made it a Crackberry was the fact 1:35:20.000 --> 1:35:22.560 that you had this always on messaging and for some 1:35:22.640 --> 1:35:25.160 people that was email. For a lot of us it 1:35:25.320 --> 1:35:28.360 was it was BBM, which was a BlackBerry Messenger. And this, 1:35:28.800 --> 1:35:30.759 you know, in two thousand and five when it was released, 1:35:30.960 --> 1:35:34.920 was actually pretty revolutionary because you basically had like I 1:35:35.040 --> 1:35:36.040 am the same way. 1:35:35.920 --> 1:35:38.920 That we would have on our desktops or laptops back. 1:35:38.800 --> 1:35:41.160 Then, you would have it on your phone. And this 1:35:41.360 --> 1:35:43.880 was in an era when text messages were between you know, 1:35:44.560 --> 1:35:47.599 five and twenty cents a piece, and some of them 1:35:47.920 --> 1:35:50.040 were more expensive. If you wanted to text to people 1:35:50.080 --> 1:35:53.600 in different countries and you couldn't really send, you know, 1:35:53.720 --> 1:35:57.439 photos or files, it was much more rudimentary. And in 1:35:57.479 --> 1:35:59.680 two thousand and five, BlackBerry had a way where you 1:35:59.760 --> 1:36:02.280 could text one person or you could be in groups 1:36:02.320 --> 1:36:04.800 of people, and you didn't have to pay per text. 1:36:04.920 --> 1:36:07.479 It was unlimited. You could text as much as you wanted, 1:36:07.520 --> 1:36:10.240 you could sit files, you could send photos. One of 1:36:10.280 --> 1:36:12.760 the big innovations they created, and part of this was 1:36:12.840 --> 1:36:16.400 actually this comes from the book of Losing the Signal 1:36:16.479 --> 1:36:19.040 that the Black Gray film is loosely based off of. 1:36:19.520 --> 1:36:21.760 But one of the innovations they came up with, which 1:36:22.000 --> 1:36:24.880 still stands with us today, was this idea of knowing 1:36:24.960 --> 1:36:28.280 if your message was received and then if it was read, 1:36:28.720 --> 1:36:31.320 and so they would have these these d icons were 1:36:31.360 --> 1:36:36.280 delivered and are for read and that basically was put 1:36:36.320 --> 1:36:38.280 into place to make sure the network was working, and 1:36:38.360 --> 1:36:41.120 that's why that was originally there. But it then created 1:36:41.160 --> 1:36:43.560 this psychological thing with many of us, which was, you know, 1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:45.559 you found out if you were left on red, like, okay, 1:36:45.600 --> 1:36:47.320 I see that you read my message, I see that 1:36:47.400 --> 1:36:48.360 you are around. 1:36:48.520 --> 1:36:49.720 Why have you not responded? 1:36:50.280 --> 1:36:53.400 And you know that's something that that WhatsApp has, the 1:36:53.800 --> 1:36:56.960 Facebook messenger has, that I message has if you unless 1:36:56.960 --> 1:36:59.720 you turn off read receipts. And so it's it's really 1:36:59.760 --> 1:37:02.439 fun that this that that's sort of a you know, 1:37:02.640 --> 1:37:05.800 like UI paradigm is still a cultural thing with us 1:37:06.600 --> 1:37:07.439 eighteen years later. 1:37:08.080 --> 1:37:11.519 And you know, I think there's also a kind of 1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:14.439 a gosh, what's the word for. I mean, when you 1:37:14.600 --> 1:37:18.360 see that a message was read, it just feels good 1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:21.640 because you know that it was either looked at and 1:37:22.080 --> 1:37:24.160 you know, understood, even if they don't reply back to you, 1:37:24.160 --> 1:37:26.920 which is a whole nother thing, right, but you know 1:37:27.080 --> 1:37:29.760 that it was it got in before someone's. 1:37:29.439 --> 1:37:32.280 Eyes, right, absolutely, and it just absolutely it makes you 1:37:32.360 --> 1:37:33.439 feel better knowing that. 1:37:33.600 --> 1:37:35.160 And so I think part of this whole thing with 1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:37.519 the blue bubble versus green bubble, you know, when you 1:37:37.600 --> 1:37:39.719 text from an iPhone to an Android or vice versas, 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:42.640 that you don't see that, and there is something psychological 1:37:42.680 --> 1:37:44.360 about like, oh, I don't know if that was delivered, 1:37:44.360 --> 1:37:46.280 I don't know if that's the right phone number. I'm 1:37:46.320 --> 1:37:48.479 not sure if they ever saw that. And so there 1:37:48.560 --> 1:37:52.280 is something to the just kind of the the comfort 1:37:52.479 --> 1:37:55.200 in knowing that something was read or looked at, even 1:37:55.240 --> 1:37:56.160 if someone doesn't. 1:37:55.880 --> 1:37:58.599 Reply to you. I totally agree, totally agree. 1:37:58.760 --> 1:38:01.880 So in the movie, they talked about how they kind 1:38:01.920 --> 1:38:05.719 of hacked these cellular systems into working with these messages, 1:38:05.840 --> 1:38:08.720 right because they weren't really equipped at that time to 1:38:08.960 --> 1:38:11.680 handle all of these phones on a network with all 1:38:11.720 --> 1:38:14.120 these messages going by. So I thought that was a 1:38:14.160 --> 1:38:16.000 pretty interesting side of this whole thing. 1:38:16.040 --> 1:38:16.720 What did you make of that? 1:38:17.520 --> 1:38:20.000 No, totally and that you know, parts of the movie 1:38:20.040 --> 1:38:23.120 are definitely embellished, and they changed the timeline around a 1:38:23.160 --> 1:38:26.760 little bit. But from what I've read from the book, 1:38:26.840 --> 1:38:28.800 Losing the Signal on some other things that I think 1:38:28.920 --> 1:38:32.519 was actually accurate. The original BlackBerry network was using a 1:38:32.600 --> 1:38:35.080 network called Mobitex and this was something that Bell South, 1:38:35.760 --> 1:38:37.840 I believe that they were the carrier who was responsible 1:38:37.880 --> 1:38:39.880 for it in the United States, and then there was 1:38:40.240 --> 1:38:43.400 one of the Canadian carriers did it in Canada. And 1:38:43.640 --> 1:38:47.240 it was this kind of area of radio spectrum that 1:38:48.080 --> 1:38:52.240 could be used for primarily for text messaging. And so 1:38:52.960 --> 1:38:54.720 even though you might not have the spectrum to have 1:38:54.880 --> 1:38:57.439 a bunch of voice calls at once. This was what 1:38:57.640 --> 1:38:59.840 was brilliant about research in Motion is they figured out 1:39:00.439 --> 1:39:03.000 we can compress these text packets and we can use 1:39:03.080 --> 1:39:07.400 this spectrum to send multiple asynchronous messages all the time, 1:39:07.840 --> 1:39:09.960 and we can have them flowing back and forth, and 1:39:10.520 --> 1:39:12.439 we can use this as kind of you know, this 1:39:12.680 --> 1:39:15.280 was nineteen ninety nine, two thousand. We can use this 1:39:15.320 --> 1:39:18.760 as a very rudimentary data network. And this was, you know, 1:39:18.920 --> 1:39:21.880 a decade before most of the major wireless carriers did 1:39:21.960 --> 1:39:25.120 actually start to shift to away from voice and into 1:39:25.160 --> 1:39:27.040 being pure you know, data pipes. 1:39:27.479 --> 1:39:29.880 Now, this just made me think of something because BlackBerry 1:39:30.000 --> 1:39:32.879 seemed unstoppable at the time. If you didn't have a BlackBerry, 1:39:32.920 --> 1:39:34.679 you were kind of like, you know, out of sorts. 1:39:35.640 --> 1:39:38.760 BBM was just it was like the only thing right, 1:39:39.320 --> 1:39:41.679 And now we think about today there are so many 1:39:41.720 --> 1:39:45.120 apps that do exactly this. But I Message seems to 1:39:45.280 --> 1:39:47.800 hold kind of like this crown because it's Apple and 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:50.840 it's on the iPhone, it's proprietary. Could we see the 1:39:50.960 --> 1:39:54.400 same thing happened to Apple? If something else better comes along, 1:39:54.640 --> 1:39:56.400 or if they they're not going to open up I 1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:58.639 message ever, we know that, yeah. 1:39:58.479 --> 1:40:00.200 I mean I doubt that they would. I I think 1:40:00.240 --> 1:40:02.960 that they I don't know. I think about that because 1:40:03.000 --> 1:40:05.439 in one case, I don't think that they need to 1:40:05.520 --> 1:40:07.680 open up my message. I think that it is a 1:40:07.800 --> 1:40:11.120 good enough mote to say, this is a consistent experience 1:40:11.160 --> 1:40:12.960 that you have if you are on a Macro, an 1:40:13.000 --> 1:40:16.120 iPad or an iPhone, and you know, we have this 1:40:16.520 --> 1:40:18.840 better experience. We can do into end encryption, and we 1:40:18.920 --> 1:40:21.479 can transfer files, and we can FaceTime and all that stuff. 1:40:21.720 --> 1:40:23.479 I don't know if they need to open it up 1:40:23.520 --> 1:40:26.080 to anywhere else at the same time, to your point, 1:40:26.439 --> 1:40:30.680 could something else usurfit? Definitely right? I mean a lot 1:40:30.760 --> 1:40:33.519 of these are cultural shifts, and depending on what part 1:40:33.520 --> 1:40:35.960 of the world you're in is kind of dependent on 1:40:36.120 --> 1:40:40.120 what messager you use. So even though iPhones sell very well, 1:40:40.280 --> 1:40:41.920 Like I have a lot of friends who live in 1:40:42.120 --> 1:40:45.759 parts of Europe and parts of Asia, who I message 1:40:45.800 --> 1:40:48.680 is not how they communicate, right They're using you know, 1:40:48.880 --> 1:40:53.280 line or we chat or WhatsApp. And then I talk 1:40:53.320 --> 1:40:55.160 to friends of mine who have teenagers and a lot 1:40:55.200 --> 1:40:57.200 of their kids are on Discord and that has really 1:40:57.280 --> 1:41:02.120 become kind of their primary platform. So I think it's 1:41:02.120 --> 1:41:04.560 always possible that those things could be disrupted, you know, 1:41:04.640 --> 1:41:06.439 to your point, we have more of these than ever before. 1:41:07.120 --> 1:41:10.040 But I also feel like Apple is in a little 1:41:10.040 --> 1:41:11.639 bit of a different situation than BlackBerry. 1:41:11.760 --> 1:41:12.280 BlackBerry. 1:41:13.960 --> 1:41:16.519 The problem with BlackBerry was that the phones weren't good 1:41:16.600 --> 1:41:18.839 enough for people to have to remain on medium. 1:41:18.920 --> 1:41:21.280 They were right on trick Pony, they had only BBM, 1:41:21.360 --> 1:41:24.799 whereas iPhone has I mean, iPhone is everything. It literally 1:41:25.120 --> 1:41:28.120 it's taken over twenty five different gadgets that we used 1:41:28.120 --> 1:41:29.720 to have exactly. 1:41:29.360 --> 1:41:31.920 And it's arguably the best in class phone, right Like 1:41:32.040 --> 1:41:34.640 it's it's arguably like if you're in that ecosystem and 1:41:34.720 --> 1:41:36.080 you can have them for a long time, like you 1:41:36.160 --> 1:41:38.599 are getting a really great phone so I think that's 1:41:38.640 --> 1:41:41.200 a little bit different, but I definitely, you know, I 1:41:41.240 --> 1:41:44.160 remember a couple of years ago, I started getting invited 1:41:44.200 --> 1:41:47.400 to just tons and tons of Discord groups and I'm 1:41:47.439 --> 1:41:49.839 still in a bunch of them, and that is definitely 1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:51.719 replaced for for some of my friends. 1:41:51.760 --> 1:41:53.639 And I like that is that is our group text. 1:41:53.479 --> 1:41:54.360 Better than I message. 1:41:54.400 --> 1:41:56.280 And that's when my kids, that's you know, they're younger, 1:41:56.320 --> 1:41:58.360 and that's you know, obviously, that's all they talk about 1:41:58.439 --> 1:41:59.880 is Discord. When can we get on Discord? 1:42:00.280 --> 1:42:00.559 All right? 1:42:00.640 --> 1:42:03.759 Which was your favorite BlackBerry gosh? 1:42:03.960 --> 1:42:05.680 Okay, Well, I'll always have a soft spot for the 1:42:05.800 --> 1:42:08.759 for the first BlackBerry Curve because I love that phone. 1:42:08.800 --> 1:42:11.200 But I think the Bold, one of the Bolds, the 1:42:11.240 --> 1:42:14.160 BlackBerry Bold that had like the little uh like little 1:42:14.280 --> 1:42:15.120 mini track pad. 1:42:15.280 --> 1:42:18.360 Yeah, I love that, And it had like a leather back. 1:42:18.479 --> 1:42:19.599 It was just so slick. 1:42:19.720 --> 1:42:23.320 It was just the leather back like it just it 1:42:23.520 --> 1:42:26.160 just was a great looking device, you know, so of 1:42:26.280 --> 1:42:27.960 its era. It's so funny to look at those now 1:42:28.040 --> 1:42:29.360 and go, man, we thought those were. 1:42:29.520 --> 1:42:30.160 We looked cool. 1:42:30.320 --> 1:42:32.600 They were like little tanks, they could take anything, and 1:42:32.720 --> 1:42:34.600 they had you know, removable batteries. 1:42:34.760 --> 1:42:38.040 I mean the BlackBerry Pearl. Remember how like delicate that was. 1:42:38.120 --> 1:42:41.559 It was just half the size. Oh so cute. Okay, 1:42:42.200 --> 1:42:42.560 gotta go. 1:42:42.760 --> 1:42:47.040 But Glenn Howardton, who played Jim Bacilli in the movie, 1:42:47.560 --> 1:42:48.480 he was incredible. 1:42:48.600 --> 1:42:51.360 I was so good, I mean so good. 1:42:51.680 --> 1:42:54.880 I just couldn't get over the performance of all the 1:42:54.960 --> 1:42:55.879 actors were great. 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:58.880 Them, No, they were great. He really sold the show. 1:42:59.400 --> 1:43:01.320 When I saw the trailer, originally, I'm gonna be honest 1:43:01.360 --> 1:43:03.439 with you, I was a little bit worried. I was like, 1:43:03.640 --> 1:43:05.800 they are going to take this book that I love, right, 1:43:05.880 --> 1:43:07.880 and I see comedic actors. I was like, this is 1:43:08.000 --> 1:43:09.920 not going to be a good film. And I walked 1:43:09.920 --> 1:43:12.160 away seeing I was like, I want to see this again. 1:43:12.280 --> 1:43:13.519 I want other people to see this. 1:43:13.680 --> 1:43:16.679 I think that it's genuinely one of the best tech, 1:43:17.000 --> 1:43:19.840 you know, story movies that I've seen in a really, 1:43:19.880 --> 1:43:20.519 really long time. 1:43:20.720 --> 1:43:21.400 Yeah, really fun. 1:43:21.560 --> 1:43:24.639 It seems like they ride the line between really interesting, 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:27.400 like almost like a characterature of these of these people, 1:43:27.840 --> 1:43:31.320 but it's it's done in a way that it actually works, 1:43:31.479 --> 1:43:34.320 and it's just it's great, So go see it. The 1:43:34.400 --> 1:43:39.720 movie is BlackBerry and Christina Warren film at Film Underscore 1:43:39.880 --> 1:43:43.080 Girl on Twitter. You can follow everything that you do there. 1:43:43.439 --> 1:43:44.479 Thanks for joining me today. 1:43:44.800 --> 1:43:45.800 Thank you so much for having me. 1:43:45.960 --> 1:43:49.439 All Right, the movie again, BlackBerry got to see it. 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:52.160 Remember and tell me what your favorite BlackBerry was at 1:43:52.240 --> 1:43:54.960 me on Twitter, at rich on Tech or just BBM 1:43:55.080 --> 1:43:58.080 me here's my pin. Just kidding, don't have that anymore? 1:43:58.439 --> 1:43:58.760 All right? 1:43:59.280 --> 1:44:01.200 Oh gosh, I guess we're almost at the end of 1:44:01.240 --> 1:44:03.680 the show. Coming up, we're going to do feedback, one 1:44:03.680 --> 1:44:06.800 of your favorite segments right here on rich On Tech. 1:44:06.840 --> 1:44:07.479 We'll be right back. 1:44:19.880 --> 1:44:23.719 Welcome back to rich on Tech, closing out the show 1:44:25.120 --> 1:44:27.200 Man three hours. If you want three hours to go 1:44:27.240 --> 1:44:29.720 by really fast, just do a radio show. I mean, 1:44:29.760 --> 1:44:34.919 it's just speed time. I literally come in here equipped 1:44:34.920 --> 1:44:36.559 with about one hundred things I want to tell you about, 1:44:36.680 --> 1:44:39.960 and I leave with about ten every week that I 1:44:40.200 --> 1:44:42.640 just well may much more than ten. Anyway, let me 1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:43.840 get through a couple of things before we get to 1:44:43.880 --> 1:44:47.120 the feedback segment. Apple this week showed off a couple 1:44:47.160 --> 1:44:50.840 of new features designed for folks with disabilities that will 1:44:50.880 --> 1:44:54.160 be coming later this year, and some of them are 1:44:54.200 --> 1:44:59.680 really interesting. Assistive Access This is a new experience on 1:44:59.720 --> 1:45:03.040 the eye iPhone and iPad that makes everything very simple. 1:45:03.600 --> 1:45:06.479 So they say it distills the iPhone and iPad apps 1:45:07.000 --> 1:45:10.639 just so their essential features in order to lighten cognitive load. 1:45:11.240 --> 1:45:14.960 So it's a very simple to understand screen, home screen, 1:45:15.120 --> 1:45:16.840 and then when you go into the apps, everything is 1:45:16.920 --> 1:45:19.040 just one or two big buttons that are very easy 1:45:19.080 --> 1:45:21.519 to use. So that's going to be a very popular 1:45:21.600 --> 1:45:24.960 feature for a lot of folks out there. Then there's 1:45:24.960 --> 1:45:29.400 something called live speech and personal voice. So personal voice 1:45:29.439 --> 1:45:33.639 you probably heard about in the news. Live speech users 1:45:33.720 --> 1:45:36.280 can type whatever they want and have it spoken out loud. 1:45:36.640 --> 1:45:38.760 There's been many apps that can do that in the past, 1:45:38.840 --> 1:45:40.840 but now that it's built in, that's going to be 1:45:40.920 --> 1:45:42.960 very handy. But they take it to the next level. 1:45:43.720 --> 1:45:47.680 You can spend fifteen minutes on the iPhone recording different phrases, 1:45:48.400 --> 1:45:52.040 and then the iPhone will use AI to make a 1:45:52.240 --> 1:45:55.719 model of your voice, so now your phone can speak 1:45:55.800 --> 1:45:57.360 out loud in your voice. 1:45:58.640 --> 1:45:59.599 Now, before you get into. 1:45:59.520 --> 1:46:02.280 The whole lot that's scary and AI and all this stuff, 1:46:02.720 --> 1:46:05.800 this is really aimed at folks who may be at 1:46:05.960 --> 1:46:09.200 risk of losing their speech because of some sort of 1:46:09.320 --> 1:46:14.760 medical diagnosis like als, so imagine, and it's very sad 1:46:14.840 --> 1:46:17.640 to even think about that, But imagine that's happening to 1:46:17.920 --> 1:46:21.479 a loved one and you can have them record their 1:46:21.560 --> 1:46:24.080 voice and now they can use this live speech to 1:46:24.120 --> 1:46:26.040 actually sound like them. I know it's never going to 1:46:26.080 --> 1:46:29.000 be them, but it's the closest thing we can get 1:46:29.080 --> 1:46:32.000 things to technology, and Apple says it's all happening on 1:46:32.040 --> 1:46:36.240 the phone and it's secure in private. Then there's this 1:46:36.360 --> 1:46:38.840 point and speak feature. This is for users who are 1:46:38.880 --> 1:46:42.360 blind or low vision. This is built into the Magnifier app. 1:46:42.479 --> 1:46:46.320 You can point to something like some sort of physical 1:46:46.360 --> 1:46:49.320 object like a microwave, and it will read out loud 1:46:49.479 --> 1:46:51.200 what is on there, So like if a button is 1:46:51.240 --> 1:46:54.720 labeled or something, it'll say, you know, thirty seconds popcorn 1:46:54.960 --> 1:46:57.680 or one, two, three, whatever it is. These are all 1:46:57.720 --> 1:46:59.400 coming later this year. They're not going to be on 1:46:59.439 --> 1:47:01.560 your phone just yet, but I figured i'd tell you 1:47:01.600 --> 1:47:03.880 about those because it's pretty interesting. 1:47:03.920 --> 1:47:04.439 What they're doing. 1:47:06.240 --> 1:47:12.280 Tsa testing facial recognition. So instead of the officer looking 1:47:12.560 --> 1:47:16.160 at your ID and comparing it against your face, the 1:47:16.479 --> 1:47:19.479 facial recognition will compare the two. So a lot of 1:47:19.520 --> 1:47:21.800 the airports, you just kind of slide your ID into 1:47:21.880 --> 1:47:23.920 a reader and then it tells you, you know, it 1:47:23.920 --> 1:47:26.000 tells the officer that you're on that flight or whatever. 1:47:26.200 --> 1:47:28.639 You can go through the checkpoint. But this will actually 1:47:28.680 --> 1:47:30.160 take it a step further. You stand in front of 1:47:30.160 --> 1:47:32.360 an iPad and it will compare the photo on your 1:47:32.400 --> 1:47:41.519 ID to you standing there. Testing this at sixteen airports Baltimore, DC, Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, 1:47:41.640 --> 1:47:45.120 Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, Orlando, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, 1:47:45.560 --> 1:47:50.040 San Jose, and a couple in Mississippi. I could have 1:47:50.120 --> 1:47:52.519 sworn I saw it at the Austin Airport when I 1:47:52.640 --> 1:47:54.639 was going through there, but it wasn't in my line. 1:47:54.800 --> 1:47:57.200 But you have the option of saying no if you're 1:47:57.200 --> 1:47:58.080 worried about privacy. 1:47:58.160 --> 1:48:00.479 But they're trying to make checkpoints faster sead of having 1:48:01.200 --> 1:48:04.200 human compare the IDs. It's going to be an algorithm, 1:48:05.080 --> 1:48:08.600 so coming soon. Don't be surprised if you see it. 1:48:09.720 --> 1:48:13.760 Feedback time, schw says hello. Concerning smart plugs, I ran 1:48:13.800 --> 1:48:16.040 into a problem that could be a lot of problems 1:48:16.080 --> 1:48:16.800 for people out there. 1:48:17.000 --> 1:48:17.679 We were out of town. 1:48:17.760 --> 1:48:20.600 My smart plugs lost Wi Fi. I was able to 1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:24.240 remotely verify that my WiFi and router were okay, because 1:48:24.280 --> 1:48:27.519 my camera was still working. I expected these smart plugs 1:48:27.520 --> 1:48:29.320 would be smart enough to reconnect to Wi Fi, but 1:48:29.400 --> 1:48:31.000 they never did. When we got home, I had to 1:48:31.080 --> 1:48:33.760 unplug and replug all the smart plugs back in, and 1:48:33.840 --> 1:48:39.080 they reconnected. They're made by feet Fit Electric. I contacted them. 1:48:39.120 --> 1:48:40.439 They said, nope, the only thing you could do is 1:48:40.479 --> 1:48:42.639 unplug them and plug them back in. But this doesn't 1:48:42.720 --> 1:48:45.200 work if you're out of town. They were used to 1:48:45.240 --> 1:48:47.280 control lamps, so when I came home they were all on. 1:48:48.320 --> 1:48:50.160 As a workaround, I put the smart plug into a 1:48:50.240 --> 1:48:52.559 digital timer that powers off and back on every twenty 1:48:52.600 --> 1:48:55.800 four seconds to reset the plug. And he thoughts, yeah, 1:48:56.160 --> 1:48:58.400 not all smart things are made equally, and when you 1:48:58.520 --> 1:49:00.680 leave the house, that's when these things to act up. 1:49:00.720 --> 1:49:04.200 Every single time. Ken says, hey, did you hear me 1:49:04.320 --> 1:49:06.479 on your last show yelling at my phone? The guy 1:49:06.560 --> 1:49:09.080 with the ten thousand MP three files? He could have 1:49:09.120 --> 1:49:12.679 installed Plex or Mby or Jellyfinn to stream his music. 1:49:13.080 --> 1:49:15.360 I'm pretty sure uploading to YouTube music is not free. 1:49:16.000 --> 1:49:18.120 I believe it is, but those are good suggestions. 1:49:18.280 --> 1:49:18.560 Thank you. 1:49:19.439 --> 1:49:22.880 Neil says, hey, interesting session last week. The record brings 1:49:22.920 --> 1:49:25.960 back memories unfortunately memories of noise even in the silent 1:49:26.040 --> 1:49:29.559 places between songs. Also, they had record changers, which would 1:49:29.560 --> 1:49:31.439 allow you to stack up several records and it would 1:49:31.479 --> 1:49:34.439 move from one to the next. Hopefully, since we're making 1:49:34.479 --> 1:49:36.120 a comeback, someone will figure out how to make a 1:49:36.160 --> 1:49:38.680 record that doesn't have clicks and pops every time you 1:49:38.840 --> 1:49:42.720 try to play it. Keep it coming, Neil. Let's see, 1:49:42.840 --> 1:49:45.400 Gary says Carol Stream, Illinois. Isn't this the place you 1:49:45.479 --> 1:49:47.760 were talking about today? Billing centers for AT and T 1:49:47.880 --> 1:49:50.600 and credit cards were located there. Those who pay by 1:49:50.680 --> 1:49:51.639 check would mail their payment. 1:49:51.720 --> 1:49:52.560 Yes, that's what it was. 1:49:52.760 --> 1:49:54.680 Mailed a lot of payments to Carol Stream. They got 1:49:54.720 --> 1:49:57.479 lots of my money. Mark says that record player in 1:49:57.520 --> 1:49:59.880 your hotel is a basic model. Since the earliest days, 1:50:00.120 --> 1:50:03.000 most had an automatic feature where the tone arm would 1:50:03.040 --> 1:50:05.960 return back to the rest position once the last song plays. 1:50:06.640 --> 1:50:09.240 The best record players can also automatically move and lower 1:50:09.280 --> 1:50:11.280 the tone arm onto the starting track with the press 1:50:11.320 --> 1:50:14.599 of a button. Such features existed even sixty years ago. 1:50:15.120 --> 1:50:17.600 Yours was a basic model. Yes it was, Mark, but 1:50:17.720 --> 1:50:20.880 I still loved it. The record player. 1:50:22.000 --> 1:50:22.680 Can you believe it? 1:50:22.880 --> 1:50:25.559 That's gonna do? It for this episode of the show 1:50:25.840 --> 1:50:29.360 three hours gone by. Like that next week, I am 1:50:29.400 --> 1:50:32.480 getting turned into a hologram. I'll tell you about that experience. 1:50:33.120 --> 1:50:34.920 And check out the show notes. I put them at 1:50:35.040 --> 1:50:39.160 richon tech dot tv. This is show number twenty, so 1:50:39.280 --> 1:50:42.479 show number twenty. 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