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Speaker 1: So this week I saw the BlackBerry Movie. I'm really

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Speaker 1: And if I haven't mentioned this before, I am obsessed

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Speaker 1: He's going to talk about his new startup that is

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Speaker 4: Rich Hey. My wife and I play pick a ball

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Speaker 5: Hello, thanks for taking my call. I've got a I'm

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Speaker 1: but that's what happened this week when a company called

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Speaker 1: All right, so this is something that you know, it

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Speaker 3: more than your television currently does. Right, We've got you know,

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Speaker 3: it's got a second screen. So while you watch TV,

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Speaker 3: if we show you, you know, sports scores and weather

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Speaker 3: and stocks, and if a movie is on, we show

439
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Speaker 3: you actor information. Let's say you're watching sports, we pull

440
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Speaker 3: up scores from around the country and imagine your fantasy

441
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Speaker 3: sports right there front and center. Right. So, so our

442
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Speaker 3: TVs go well beyond screaming. And in fact, they also

443
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Speaker 3: have a camera that lets you do zoom calling. Right,

444
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Speaker 3: you can call your friends and watch TV together from

445
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Speaker 3: across the country. Got a full assistant, over fifty video games,

446
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Speaker 3: and so much more. So you know, Telly's shipping over

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Speaker 3: five hundred thousand units this year. And yeah, we're disrupting

448
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Speaker 3: the price point, we're also disrupting the product by building

449
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Speaker 3: by far the world's smartest TV in the market.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let me just paint a picture of what

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Speaker 1: this TV physically looks like. So it's a fifty five

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Speaker 1: in four K HD TV, So it's a display on top,

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Speaker 1: then there's a soundbar, and then below that is the

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Speaker 1: smart screen. And that smart screen is what you're referring

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Speaker 1: to that has sort of like the sports scores, and

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Speaker 1: there's also advertising on that screen. So advertising is a

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Speaker 1: big part of this plan. Can you explain the role

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Speaker 1: that advertising plays in this entire free TV?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very very similar to Pluto, Right. The brands pay

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Speaker 3: for the surface. That's why we're able to offer Pluto

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Speaker 3: TV for free, because it's paid for by the brands.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: So in this case, there is an ad in the

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Speaker 3: bottom right corner of that smart screen there. Takes up

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Speaker 3: a small portion that screen, but it's there, right, And

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Speaker 3: those the brands that show up there are covering the

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Speaker 3: cost of the TV. We'll believe that that our business

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Speaker 3: model is similar to Pluto. We don't have to double dick,

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Speaker 3: we don't have to sell you the hardware. There's really

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Speaker 3: no margin on TV sales hardware anyway, right, so might

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Speaker 3: as well give it away. For free, we're able to

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Speaker 3: capture a much bigger chunk of the markets, much quicker

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Speaker 3: like we do with Pluro, and build a much stronger product.

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Speaker 3: So the ads are there, they're relevant, they're there to

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Speaker 3: support the business model, and that's kind of the value exchange, right,

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Speaker 3: And we know it's already happening, right. TV makers are

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Speaker 3: selling you a TV right now and then showing your advertising. Right,

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Speaker 3: So we said, let's just cut out the sales part

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Speaker 3: of it. Let's give away the hardware and let the

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Speaker 3: product be fully supported by the app.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people may or may not realize that. When you

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Speaker 1: get a smart TV, typically there's something called automatic content

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Speaker 1: recognition that is sort of seeing what you're using the

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Speaker 1: TV to watch, and then the companies are selling that

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Speaker 1: data to third parties to sell you ads against that data.

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Speaker 1: Is that is that all kind of true?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's completely right, And they kind of they're kind

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Speaker 3: of a pike about it. You really don't know, right.

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Speaker 3: The difference with us is we're fully transparent. We tell

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Speaker 3: you we do it like the others, and then in

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Speaker 3: fact we compensate you for it with a free TV.

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Speaker 1: And I guess people don't mind because you put out

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Speaker 1: a pressure release, you said you had over one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand sign ups in the first thirty six hours. You're

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Speaker 1: planning to give away five hundred thousand free TVs this

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Speaker 1: year year and then in twenty twenty four millions of TVs.

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Speaker 1: So how can people Well, I guess my first My

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Speaker 1: other question is was there anything in the news. There's

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Speaker 1: so much reporting about your company. Was there anything in

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Speaker 1: the news that you sort of took issue with or

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Speaker 1: your thought was not really fair that you want to

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Speaker 1: you know, talk about.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all. I think we've had amazing response.

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Speaker 3: People really understood the product right, and and the other

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Speaker 3: part in the in the initial sign ups that we

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Speaker 3: saw that was phenomenal was that, you know, the type

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Speaker 3: of consumer that was interested in Kelly is not they're

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Speaker 3: they're not low income at all, right, They're they're actually,

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Speaker 3: you know, very heavily indexing on gen Z and millennials

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Speaker 3: and UH and in a higher income bracket than the

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Speaker 3: overall population in the US. So I think people understand

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Speaker 3: that this is you know, they're savvy, they get that

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Speaker 3: this is a you know, a disruptive business model and

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Speaker 3: and something that is going to resonate with a very

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Speaker 3: large ton of the population.

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Speaker 1: And also something that's interesting that you kind of picked

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Speaker 1: up on with Pluto TV. Back in the day when

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Speaker 1: everyone was doing paid streaming, you were kind of a

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Speaker 1: pioneer of what we now call the fast the free

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Speaker 1: ad supported streaming services, where now people are like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm paying too much for all these services.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind a couple of commercials like the good

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Speaker 1: old days of TV, where I will get this for

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Speaker 1: either less money or for free. So I think there

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Speaker 1: is a little bit of you know, people are kind

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Speaker 1: of pulling back on some of the spending with these

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Speaker 1: streaming services.

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Speaker 3: That's right. And now if you look at the industry,

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Speaker 3: even though Pluto was there first and everyone thought we

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Speaker 3: were completely crazy, now literally every single media company including Google, Amazon,

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Speaker 3: and now Disney actually you know, announced they're going there.

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Speaker 3: They're launching that supported streaming service as well. So everyone's

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Speaker 3: now even though everyone disagree with us, they're now doing

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Speaker 3: they're not in that same business. So and we believe

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Speaker 3: Kelly's going to do the exact same thing.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're chatting with Illi Opposen, the founder of Telly,

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Speaker 1: which is giving away free TVs. The website is freetelly

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Speaker 1: dot com. I'll link that up on my website at

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Speaker 1: richon Tech dot tv. So Ellio, you fill out the form,

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Speaker 1: you give some information. What's my chances of actually getting

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Speaker 1: one of these TVs? And when would I get it?

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Speaker 3: I mean, the chances are pretty good. We're making a

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Speaker 3: lot of them. We're starting to ship our initial units

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Speaker 3: this summer. So I jump right on that. Go to

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Speaker 3: the website and fill it out. Make sure you get

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Speaker 3: your spot in our in our in our queue.

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Speaker 1: And is there any restrictions on how I can use

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Speaker 1: this TV? I know you've got the HDMI ports on

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Speaker 1: the back. Can I plug in my own streaming service?

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Speaker 1: Do I have to use something that.

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Speaker 3: You do or what? No, not at all. It's it's

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Speaker 3: a standard TV. You can watch whatever you want, plug

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Speaker 3: in any devices. We have three hdiports, you know. We

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Speaker 3: we want you to watch whatever you want on this TV.

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Speaker 3: We don't even need you, you know, to be in

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Speaker 3: our operating system anything like that. And we're there to

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Speaker 3: provide you enhancements on your content viewing and and not

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Speaker 3: restrict you from doing anything that you want.

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Speaker 1: And what about the second screen? People I've read say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to cover it up. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to look at it is that. I mean, what do

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Speaker 1: you make of that whole situation.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's once you see it in you that

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Speaker 3: your viewpoint will be completely different, right, So it completely

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Speaker 3: enhances your content viewing experience. It's there to support you.

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Speaker 3: We have data that over eighty percent of consumers while

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Speaker 3: they watch TV, they have their phone or computer out anyway, right,

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Speaker 3: So we put a lot of that information that you're

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Speaker 3: looking at on your phone right there front and center,

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Speaker 3: so you're less distracted. The add are a much a

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Speaker 3: very small chunk of that of that device. But we

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Speaker 3: even want a step further, and we put all the

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Speaker 3: controls that you typically see overlaying the top screen, like

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Speaker 3: when you put volume up and down, and when you're

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Speaker 3: trying to change inputs from one HDMI to the other

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Speaker 3: or switch your settings. All that now happens on that

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Speaker 3: bottom smart screen. So we cleaned up the top screen.

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Speaker 3: We call it a theater display. That's clean, and the

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Speaker 3: bottom screen has all your controls, all this strau you know,

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Speaker 3: information and support against what you're watching to really help

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Speaker 3: and enhance that content viewing experience. So first of all,

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Speaker 3: you won't want to cover it right such, and you

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Speaker 3: really can't because that's where all your controls are. So

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Speaker 3: we've built this in a way that that you know,

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Speaker 3: it completely makes your TV dealing experience better. I've been

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Speaker 3: using it at my house alone for about four or

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Speaker 3: five months, and I can just tell you it's very

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Speaker 3: hard to go back to it to kind of standard

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Speaker 3: boring dune display.

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Speaker 1: Eliahposen, We're going to leave it there. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me today. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me Rich all right, If

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Speaker 3: you want.

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Speaker 1: The website, it's free Telly dot com, or just go

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Speaker 1: to rich on Tech dot tv look for show number twenty.

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Speaker 1: Am I saying that right?

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Speaker 6: That's correct?

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Speaker 7: Sir?

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Speaker 2: Hey, how you doing good?

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Speaker 6: Good?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. What can I help you with?

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Speaker 6: Uh, that's kind a quick question for you. I have

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Speaker 6: a link smart home hub. Last shooters working fine, last

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Speaker 6: few months, has been having issue on and off, like

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Speaker 6: it goes out of service for.

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Speaker 8: Like weeks, maybe a month.

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Speaker 6: Right now it's down for service again and just kind

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Speaker 6: of like set up with it. Trying to figure out

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Speaker 6: what's the next step to change that zwave hub to

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Speaker 6: something else?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you want to you want to switch to

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Speaker 1: something yeah? Well okay, so you're using wink, which what

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff do you have connected to this?

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Speaker 6: Uh? That zbay switches like ge or Slovania, lightblubs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so lights, a couple of plugs and everything is

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Speaker 2: is what zigb or what? Oh? Z wave? Okay, got it?

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Speaker 2: Z wave?

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Speaker 1: So so I'm looking at let's see, so you got

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Speaker 1: wing and I'm looking at their Twitter and like every

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Speaker 1: other tweet is basically we're having issues.

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of what you've been experiencing. Huh.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I mean it's a munchy service. So I don't

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Speaker 6: mind paying five bucks a month, but you know, want

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Speaker 6: it out and running.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. Okay, So have you heard of

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Speaker 2: something called matter?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's what I think you need to look into.

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Speaker 1: So matter is the new smart home standard that is

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Speaker 1: adopted by everyone. So Google's on board. These are names

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Speaker 1: you don't really hear in the same sentence very often.

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Speaker 1: Google's on board, Apples on board, Samsung's on board. Did

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Speaker 1: I get them all?

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 1: So when you have all three of the major tech

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Speaker 1: companies on board, all of the devices are now going

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Speaker 1: to work to get other And it's really quite incredible

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Speaker 1: because in my home now I've started to try out

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Speaker 1: some of these things with Matter and it's it's really

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Speaker 1: really nice because A you don't have to pay a

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Speaker 1: monthly fee like you're paying with Wink, and B all

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Speaker 1: you need is a MATTER controller to start working with

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Speaker 1: these devices. And the MATTER is kind of built into

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Speaker 1: a lot of the main devices. So the Apple the

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Speaker 1: four K, sorry, the Apple TV has it, the Amazon

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Speaker 1: Echo has it, the Google Nest has it. Samsung you

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Speaker 1: can get a Smart Things hub that has it. Even

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Speaker 1: some of their TVs and refrigerators have it. So as

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Speaker 1: long as you have one device on your network that

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Speaker 1: is kind of a matter hub, everything else works with

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Speaker 1: that Matter. Now some of the devices you have may

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Speaker 1: get updates to work with Matter. So one of the

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Speaker 1: plugs I had in my home was a home Kit plug,

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Speaker 1: and then I did a software update and now it's

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Speaker 1: magically a Matter plug. And what's really nice about it

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Speaker 1: is you can of pick and choose. You no longer

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Speaker 1: have to look on the packaging of these smart home

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Speaker 1: products to see like, Okay, this one works with Google,

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Speaker 1: this one works with Alexa, this one works with HomeKit.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: As long as it says Matter, it's going to work

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Speaker 1: across the board with everything. So that's what I would

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Speaker 1: be looking for. Number One, you can look in your home.

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Speaker 1: Do you have an Echo? Do you have a Google Nest?

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Speaker 1: Do you have an Apple TV? If you have one

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Speaker 1: of those devices, you're already on board with this Matter situation,

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Speaker 1: and all you have to do is kind of enable

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Speaker 1: it and just get it up and running. And then

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Speaker 1: it's a matter of I'm saying Matter a lot, it's

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Speaker 1: a matter of just getting these devices on board with it.

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Speaker 1: And so some of them may not work with the

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Speaker 1: new network, some of them may. And so that's what

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Speaker 1: I look into. Matter is the future. It's super super easy.

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Speaker 1: You basically the plug that I connected once I upgraded

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Speaker 1: the software. Literally, I opened the Google Home app and

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Speaker 1: I said, hey, do you want to connect this plug

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Speaker 1: to your network? And I said, wow, that was so easy.

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Speaker 1: Other times you may just have to scan a QR

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Speaker 1: code on the device itself. It is all so much

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Speaker 1: easier than anything I've seen in the past. It's brand new,

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Speaker 1: so it's not going to be you know, you talk

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Speaker 1: to a couple people, they may not even have heard

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Speaker 1: of this yet, but it is the future of everything

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Speaker 1: in the home. After all, these companies were fighting for

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Speaker 1: market share for the past you know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: ten years of gadgets. They finally sat down and said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, We're gonna stop fighting. We're gonna make

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Speaker 1: everything work together. So you can choose the app that

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Speaker 1: you want to use to control everything, whether that's Apple,

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Speaker 1: whether that is Google Home, whether that's the Alexa app,

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Speaker 1: and then you can actually choose the devices you want

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Speaker 1: from the brands you want, and they will all work together.

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Speaker 1: This is not something you need to do overnight. Maybe

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Speaker 1: continue with the Wink, you know, but realize that if

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Speaker 1: you're paying that five bucks a month whatever they're charging

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Speaker 1: you for that begin to start to think about how

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Speaker 1: you can switch over to this matter stuff, but it

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Speaker 1: makes life a whole lot easier, much more reliable, and

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Speaker 1: you can rea up about it on the web. But

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Speaker 1: it's a little complicated because there's two terms. There's something

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Speaker 1: called matter and there's also something called thread, which sort

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Speaker 1: of powers matter.

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Speaker 2: So that's where it gets a little weird.

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Speaker 1: But as long as you know about those things and

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Speaker 1: start to research, you can definitely find some the products

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Speaker 1: are all going to work together. So good question, and

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Speaker 1: sorry you're going through some smart home issues. That's always frustrating,

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Speaker 1: all right. I did want to address this whole TikTok

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Speaker 1: ban in Montana, first state to ban the use of

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Speaker 1: TikTok Montana. Yes, they are saying they're going to protect

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Speaker 1: Montana's personal, private, and sensitive data from being gathered by

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Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party. So they signed a law that

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Speaker 1: bans TikTok from operating in Montana. This will take effect

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Speaker 1: on January first. Now it is too early to say

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Speaker 1: whether this will actually happen, how it's going to happen,

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Speaker 1: and what the penalty is going to be. So according

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Speaker 1: to the new law, if TikTok is on the app store,

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Speaker 1: they would be liable for fines of ten thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: a day for violating this law. Individual TikTok users won't

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Speaker 1: be punished. So if you have TikTok on your phone

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Speaker 1: in Montana, yeah you can use it, but you won't

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Speaker 1: be fined. But if this state gets really serious about this,

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Speaker 1: they may block TikTok at the network level, which means

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to log on. Now, this is

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Speaker 1: very very new, this is very very complicated. We've never

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Speaker 1: really seen something like this with an app. We've seen websites,

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Speaker 1: we've seen things that you may not be able to access,

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Speaker 1: but typically the only place I've seen this happen is

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Speaker 1: in China. When I visited China, you know, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: access Facebook, couldn't access Twitter. So the fact that this

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Speaker 1: is happening in the US is definitely very odd. First

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Speaker 1: Amendment may be a challenge to that. Brich On Tech

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Speaker 1: eight to eight rich one oh one. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what to say it this point. It's just such

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Speaker 1: a weird thing.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Welcome back to rich on Tech.

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Speaker 1: Rich DeMuro here hanging out talking technology with you at

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Speaker 1: Triple eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven

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Speaker 1: four two four one zero one. Kim is standing by

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Speaker 1: waiting for your call to get you right here on

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Speaker 1: this show. Claudia wrote in on Instagram and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: what's the website for the free TV? I probably should

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Speaker 1: have spelled it out. It is free Telly, Free Telly

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Speaker 1: t E l l y dot com. Free Telly dot

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Speaker 1: com is the website. Everything is linked up on my

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Speaker 1: website rich on Tech dot tv. I'm doing a very

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Speaker 1: nice job with the show notes today, so please I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna pat myself on the back there for that. You

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Speaker 1: can follow me on social media. I am at rich

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Speaker 1: on Tech. I'm on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. On Instagram

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Speaker 1: this week posted a couple of fun things, including an

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Speaker 1: automated bartender called the Rowtender. You got to see what

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Speaker 1: you think about this. It mixes up drinks in twenty

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Speaker 1: seconds or less. This is a startup that it almost

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Speaker 1: looks like a bartending jukebox. So you decide what you

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Speaker 1: want on this little touchscreen. It spins around, there's lights flashing.

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Speaker 1: It's a really a cool little show, and then it

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Speaker 1: spits out your drink. That doesn't sound good. You don't

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Speaker 1: you don't want a machine to spit out your drink.

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Speaker 1: It dispenses your drink. Spit out would be kind of weird.

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Speaker 1: Right then, I've got my most controversial post of the week.

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Speaker 1: These classic cars that they get redone and made into

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Speaker 1: electric cars. And you don't know how controversial this is

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Speaker 1: until you post an Instagram video about it. People don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily like that. Some think it's really cool something that

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Speaker 1: you're ruining the classic car experience. So anyway, that's all

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Speaker 1: my Instagram at rich on Tech. Let's go to an email.

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Speaker 1: Alex says, Hey, Rich can you recommend free a free

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Speaker 1: Gmail third party application?

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Speaker 2: Just using web? Gmail is not user friendly? Okay, you

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Speaker 2: know what.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you my answer to this, but before

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Speaker 1: I do, I will tell you I also think that

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Speaker 1: Gmail on the web is the best way to use Gmail.

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Speaker 1: And the reason for that is because Gmail does things

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Speaker 1: in a weird way when it comes to your email,

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Speaker 1: the way it files things, the way you can snooze stuff,

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Speaker 1: the way that it goes into different categories and labels.

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Speaker 1: So I still think that the standard web application is

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Speaker 1: the best. Now, I do think that it can be

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Speaker 1: slow on certain computers. My old computer, Gmail was really

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Speaker 1: really slow and it got very annoying. So I did

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Speaker 1: try switching to a third part app, third party application,

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Speaker 1: but I always go back to the web app because

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Speaker 1: it just seems to be the easiest for me, and

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Speaker 1: it takes advantage of all those Gmail features. So you

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Speaker 1: want something that's free, Let's start with what's built into

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Speaker 1: your computer. So whether you have Windows or a Mac,

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Speaker 1: you've got a mail program that is built in. So

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Speaker 1: just on Windows or Mac, just search Mail and it

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Speaker 1: will bring up the program. You log in with your

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Speaker 1: Gmail and you can check your Gmail on there. It's

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Speaker 1: built in. There's nothing you have to download. It's pretty simple. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you want to step it up from there, you

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Speaker 1: can download Outlook. And so Outlook is I know it's

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Speaker 1: free on the Mac. I'm not sure if it's free

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Speaker 1: on Windows, but I think it's I know it's free

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Speaker 1: on Mac. So you can download Outlook. Or you could

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Speaker 1: even just use Outlook on the web and still log

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Speaker 1: into your Gmail account if you want to do that. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think that gets kind of weird because you're using

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Speaker 1: Outlook but you're checking your Gmail. So but you know,

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Speaker 1: to each his own, you can do that. If you

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Speaker 1: like Mozilla, they are the makers of Firefox. They have

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Speaker 1: a free open source cross platform email program called Thunderbird

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Speaker 1: and Underbird. It has been around for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: It's free, it works on Windows, it works on Mac

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Speaker 1: and I haven't used this personally, but you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a popular email program because it's free and it's from Mozilla,

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Speaker 1: so they do all the research, they do all the

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Speaker 1: open source stuff, so it's secure. It's been around for

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Speaker 1: nineteen years. So if you want that, you can download

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Speaker 1: that from the thunderbird dot net website. And then there

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Speaker 1: are some more specialized apps. So there are apps called Spark,

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Speaker 1: Spark Mail, there is something called Edison Mail, and there's

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Speaker 1: something called Newton. And all of these apps are going

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Speaker 1: to cost you a little bit. So that's the only

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Speaker 1: thing you said you wanted free. These may cost you something. Now,

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Speaker 1: there are some features you can get for free on

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Speaker 1: these and you can check that out on their websites.

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Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes they kind of push you to

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Speaker 1: the freemium plan, which is, okay, we'll give you this

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Speaker 1: for free, but you may have to pay to uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, to get all the features. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a great guest on a little bit, Jared Newman. He

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Speaker 1: writes a very nice newsletter called Advisorator, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: ask him what his favorite free email app. I'll put

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Speaker 1: him on the spot because he kind of knows a

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Speaker 1: lot about that kind of stuff. So great question, Alex.

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Speaker 1: There you have it all right, phone number triple eight

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Speaker 1: rich one oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four

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Speaker 1: to two four to one zero one. This week was

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Speaker 1: the third annual Go Get Go Get, that's what they

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Speaker 1: call it from Uber. It's their annual product showcase where

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Speaker 1: they showed off a whole bunch of new features. And

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Speaker 1: let me go through some of those features. Because Uber

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Speaker 1: is a very popular product around the world and it

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Speaker 1: just continues to evolve. So first up, this is a

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Speaker 1: big one. It's called family profiles. Now, teenagers have been

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Speaker 1: taking Uber for a long time, but I guess maybe

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Speaker 1: the driver has to look the other way or the

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Speaker 1: parent has to get the ride for them.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: My kids are too young to take Uber by themselves,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not really sure how it works what the

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Speaker 1: age limits are. But now, for the first time, teens

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Speaker 1: can have their own profile underneath a guardian's account. So

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Speaker 1: you can go in as a parent and set up

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Speaker 1: a family profile for your kid and kids thirteen to

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Speaker 1: seventeen can now have their kind of their own account,

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Speaker 1: but it's under your account, and Uber says they're only

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Speaker 1: going to used experienced and highly rated drivers to have

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Speaker 1: these trips with teens, and every driver on the flip

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Speaker 1: side has the ability to opt out, so if they

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Speaker 1: want to be carrying kids around all the day, they

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Speaker 1: don't have to. There are all the safety features in place.

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Speaker 1: They've got live trip tracking, which means, as the parent,

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Speaker 1: you can track the trip's progress so you can see

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Speaker 1: where your kid is at all times. Of course, there's support.

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Speaker 1: This is going to start on May twenty second, so

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Speaker 1: don't don't open the app up and try just yet.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna take a couple of days for this to

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00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: be in there. And the other thing that the kids

872
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Speaker 1: can do, I call them kids, but I guess they're teens.

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00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: They can also link up an Uber Eats account underneath

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Speaker 1: your account.

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Speaker 2: Now what does that mean?

876
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: Kids are gonna be ordering a whole lot of food

877
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: on your credit card? Yep, so mom and dad are

878
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: paying for this, the guardian is paying for this. But

879
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, you can decide how much they want to

880
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: spend directly in the app. So that's the family profile,

881
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: which I think will be a big help. I told

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Speaker 1: my kidd he's eleven. I said, oh, two more years,

883
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: and I'm not driving you around anymore. It's gonna be

884
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: Uber for you, buddy. Uber car seat. This is something

885
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: that I know sounds a little weird, but my wife

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Speaker 1: and I dealt with this when we had our little

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00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: ones when they were very little, and we would visit

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00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: New York City and we would take Uber to the

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00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: airport or whatever. And you know, you either have to

890
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: take around one of these like blow up car seats,

891
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: I forget what they call it, like a bubble seat

892
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: or something, or you would have to just have your

893
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: kid kind of like you know, you'd be like, uh uh,

894
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: we can't anyway, I'm not going to get into that part.

895
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'd be like, yeah, they're sixty five pounds. Kid

896
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: is like two now, I'm just kidding. Or you have

897
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: to bring around a car seat basically, and then the

898
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: Uber gets to your house, you're latching in this car seat.

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Speaker 2: It was a whole big thing.

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Speaker 1: And I know, before you say rich, I mean, really

901
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: you got to take your kid that's you know, one

902
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: years old in an Uber. Yes, sometimes you have to

903
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: if you're traveling, so beginning in New York City and

904
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Uber car Seat is now an option. It

905
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: lets you request and reserve a ride with a car

906
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Speaker 1: seat in the car already. So that's for kids from

907
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: five to sixty five pounds, so that's kind of a

908
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: nice thing. And then the other new feature is this

909
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: phone number. For the first time ever, you can use

910
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 1: a phone number to book an Uber. The phone number

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00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: is one eight three three use Uber. Again, that's an

912
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: eight three to three number. You don't really hear about

913
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Speaker 1: those very often, So you can call this phone number

914
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Speaker 1: and they will help you book the ride. And before

915
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: you say rich, I mean really, who doesn't have a smartphone?

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't have an Uber app? I mean there's a

917
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Speaker 1: lot of people out there that may not, or maybe

918
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Speaker 1: it's just a one time thing, or maybe it's you know,

919
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: your grandparent or someone that needs a ride just one

920
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: time and they don't do Uber all the time. So

921
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Speaker 1: now anyone can use this, So eight three three use Uber.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the problem. I think there's gonna be some

923
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Speaker 1: fraud with this because there are going to be scam

924
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: artists that play upon this phone number. They're going to

925
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: set up numbers that sound very similar to the Uber number,

926
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Speaker 1: and people are going to call them and they're going

927
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: to give their credit card, and that credit card number

928
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: is going to get stolen. So be very careful if

929
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Speaker 1: you're going to use this. Know the phone number again,

930
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: it's eight three to three. Use Uber, write it down,

931
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: look it up, note it. If you're going to ever

932
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: use this, do not dial a random number that you

933
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: find online because it may not be legitimate. So the

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Speaker 1: other cool feature I thought that Uber introduced Uber Boat.

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Speaker 2: This is in Greece.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have an Uber boat that you can book

937
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: directly through the app. You can have up to eight

938
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Speaker 1: people cruising popular destinations around the island.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, do I know how to say this?

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Speaker 2: How do you say this?

941
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: Mik and Os and Greece. I should know how to

942
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Speaker 1: say that. I never saw my big fat Greek wedding,

943
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: so I should know how to pronounce that.

944
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Speaker 2: But now I just thought of a good idea. I

945
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: gotta go to Greece to try this out. Who's coming

946
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: with me? Let's go.

947
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: I've never been. I know it's pretty nice, all right,

948
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: So there's all the updates on Uber Once again. I'm

949
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: writing all of this stuff down on my website. Rich

950
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: on Tech dot TV. All right, coming up on the show,

951
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: we've got a lot more to talk about. We've got

952
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: Jared Newman. He writes a newsletter called Advisorator. He's going

953
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: to talk to us about the plan to make passwords obsolete.

954
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: This is something new that you can enable through Google

955
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: and some other websites. So he'll talk about that and later.

956
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: Christina Warren film Girl on Twitter is gonna reminisce about

957
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: the good old days of BlackBerry.

958
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Speaker 2: I have seen the movie. It is excellent.

959
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: It really exceeded my expectations. So we'll talk about the

960
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: the good old days of bbming and pins and all

961
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: that stuff. Plus lots more to talk about. On the

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Speaker 1: news front, there is the first official chat GPT app

963
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: for iOS. Yes, I'll tell you how to download that,

964
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Speaker 1: and of course your calls at Triple eight rich one

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Speaker 1: oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four.

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Speaker 2: To two, four to one zero one. My name is

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Speaker 2: Rich Dmiro. I'm booking a flight to Grease. You are

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Speaker 2: listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech.

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Speaker 1: Rich Demiro here hanging out with you talking technology at

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Speaker 1: Triple eight Rich one oh one, that's eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: seven four to two four one zero one. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to William in Nope, that's not William. Let's go do

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Speaker 1: William in Costa Mesa. William, you're on with Rich.

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Speaker 2: William. You're there, Okay, let's see.

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Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm doing something wrong here, Okay, William, Hello, Hello, William,

976
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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Okay, we'll put you on hold

977
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Speaker 1: here and let's go to Stephen in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: Steven, are you there, I'm here, there you go. It's

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Speaker 2: not me, see, it's it's not me, it's them exactly.

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Speaker 8: I'd love to go to Greece, by the way, I

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Speaker 8: you know what I said.

982
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Speaker 2: I was going to book a flight, but let's see.

983
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 2: Let's just see how much Greece is right now. It's

984
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Speaker 2: a lot. Travel is very expensive these days. Have you noticed?

985
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 8: What about taking an uber boat all away to Greece?

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Speaker 9: You know what?

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00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: That would be extremely expensive, But I'd love to. I

988
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: really think I can convince you know, the powers that

989
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: be that I need to try this uber boat. I mean,

990
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: I could just see myself with those you know, isn't

991
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: like the whole all the buildings like white in the

992
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Speaker 1: background with the blue and me on the boat with

993
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Speaker 1: whatever they drink over there and Greece. Anyway, I'm getting

994
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: out of my Uh, let's see what do you need

995
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: help with today?

996
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Speaker 8: So you know, I deal with a lot of data

997
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 8: and I'm very new to NASH back up and redumancy.

998
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 8: So my questions are I've been looking at i mean,

999
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 8: making deals at the de waste cycling place except what

1000
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,959
Speaker 8: all you know? Let me just put some hot drives

1001
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 8: in it and set up a mash. So I want

1002
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 8: to do I've been looking at something called two nats

1003
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 8: and plausibly checking up, setting up a second to act

1004
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 8: as a redundanty to back up the backup. What would

1005
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 8: you recommend?

1006
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: So are you trying to do this all yourself or

1007
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: are you trying to get a product that you can

1008
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: use for this?

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00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 8: Well, I know two NASS is on software that you

1010
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 8: can download and you can inspire. I know there's something

1011
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 8: like you know, sonology, and yeah, you know, I've looked

1012
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 8: at both directions and I sort of enjoyed the di

1013
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 8: wise more than I enjoy the ready to go package.

1014
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 8: So I guess it's a two part question. One is

1015
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 8: what do you think the two nats. And the second

1016
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 8: part is I set up like a second as purely

1017
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 8: for the purposes.

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00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: Of backing up the first Well, I love that you're

1019
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: thinking about backing up everything, So I mean I think

1020
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: that that's uh, you know, it's very important in today's

1021
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: day and age.

1022
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: Is this for sort of enterprise or is this for

1023
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 2: just personal personal?

1024
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 8: But I do a lot of stuff at home, so

1025
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Speaker 8: my data is let's say, one hundred terbles.

1026
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you got a lot. Okay, that's all a lot.

1027
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 8: So like I decided for all the smaller hard drive

1028
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 8: and get big one. Okay, So the idea is less

1029
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 8: drives more data.

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Speaker 6: Right, So.

1031
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 8: In the same principle, if I have backup to that,

1032
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Speaker 8: I need somewhat equivalment to be on the other side.

1033
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, because if you're doing one hundred you

1034
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: said one hundred terabytes? Yes, wow, what do you've got

1035
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: on all this stuff?

1036
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a photo collection, but I'm only

1037
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Speaker 1: up to like three terabytes.

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Speaker 8: Photos, movie, you know, and obviously some work stuff and

1039
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 8: just you know, just think with.

1040
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Speaker 1: Twenty years how much that Oh yeah, it's and the

1041
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 1: problem is with me especially, I went through this morning.

1042
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: I was looking at my Google Drive and it's like,

1043
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to delete anything. And then this is

1044
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: the best part. I was literally looking for an address

1045
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,959
Speaker 1: that I've had for ten years in my Google Drive

1046
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: and it's the one thing that I mistakenly deleted.

1047
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: So I'm not kidding. It was not even anywhere to

1048
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Speaker 2: be found. Now.

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Speaker 1: I know I've been sending a Christmas card to this

1050
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Speaker 1: person for like the past ten years. And I remember

1051
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago we were going through to

1052
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: do our Christmas cards and I couldn't find our address list.

1053
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: I had thrown it out.

1054
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: And I guess once I threw it out, I go

1055
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: through this thing where I like empty the trash to

1056
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: and it says this warning like this all be deleted

1057
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: in thirty days, and I go, nah, I'll just delete

1058
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: it all right now, let's clean. Let's sweep it clean anyway,

1059
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: all right. So ans to your question, So when it

1060
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Speaker 1: comes to backing up one hundred percent, like what you're doing,

1061
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Speaker 1: I like the idea of doing this, and you've got

1062
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Speaker 1: a lot of data, so you can use an off

1063
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: the shelf product like Synology to do something. I have

1064
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: a little experience with the Synology just sort of the

1065
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: basic consumer NAS that they have, and NAS that's a

1066
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: fancy term for network attached storage, So that means that

1067
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: this is a small server that you sort of keep

1068
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: in your home. You know, if you work for a company,

1069
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: all that data that you're accessing on there, you know,

1070
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: you're navigating to these different folders and files on these servers.

1071
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: That's really a server that you can kind of have

1072
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: at home with this NAS.

1073
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Speaker 1: And so Snology is a big company that provides both,

1074
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: you know, consumer and prosumer solutions, and what you get

1075
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: from them would be a box that you can connect

1076
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: to your network with an Ethernet cable and then you

1077
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: go and you buy hard drives. Now, in this case

1078
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: one hundred terabyte drive. That's you know, that's going to

1079
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Speaker 1: be very expensive and you may need a couple of those.

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Speaker 1: But what the Synology software does is it kind of

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Speaker 1: makes sure that everything on those drives is mirrored. So

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Speaker 1: let's say you have, like me, if I have five

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Speaker 1: gigabytes or five terabytes of stuff, I'd had one drive

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Speaker 1: in there that's ten terabytes. All of my data's on there,

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Speaker 1: and then there'd be another drive or redundant drive that

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Speaker 1: everything is continuously copied to that second drive. So something

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Speaker 1: fails on that first drive, all the data is there

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Speaker 1: on the second drive. So that's how that works. And

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Speaker 1: then of course you want a backup that's somewhere not

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Speaker 1: in your home, because what if something happened to your home,

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Speaker 1: what if there's a flood. There are systems you can

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Speaker 1: get that you can put these Synology drives in to

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Speaker 1: keep them safe from fire and flood as well, but

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Speaker 1: that's a whole other thing. As for the free software,

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Speaker 1: I think Stephen, that you are a tinkerer. I think

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Speaker 1: that you want to do this yourself, so I would

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Speaker 1: go with the free software. A true NASS like you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: is a very popular one. I have not used it personally,

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Speaker 1: but I think that that's probably what you're going to

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Speaker 1: go with because that's something that you want to build

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Speaker 1: on your own, and I think that that's what you're

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Speaker 1: going to be more most happy with. And that's a

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Speaker 1: lot of data. That's a lot of stuff to keep

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Speaker 1: backed up, so you're going to need some big hard

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Speaker 1: drives for that. But I would do that and just

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Speaker 1: continue to build this system the way that you want

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Speaker 1: it and hopefully it'll continue to keep your stuff backed up.

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Speaker 1: I don't think in your case with a hunterd terabytes,

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00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: you can back that up off site. That's for sure,

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Speaker 1: all right. I do want to mention before we get

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Speaker 1: to our next guest, the chat GPT app for iOS.

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Speaker 1: So chat GPT app for iOS is available. It's the

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Speaker 1: first official app from chat GPT. You can now download

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Speaker 1: it for the iPhone. I will put the link on

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Speaker 1: my website because if you search for it, it may

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Speaker 1: be tough to find and you may get an imitation app.

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Speaker 1: So rich on Tech dot tv for that. Coming back

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Speaker 1: right after this, Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich

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Speaker 1: Demiro here talking technology with you. If you have a question,

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Speaker 1: give me a call at triple eight Rich one oh one.

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Speaker 1: That's eight eight eight seven four to two four to.

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Speaker 2: One zero one shows. Moving along here.

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Speaker 1: I just found my flight to Athens cheapest one I

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Speaker 1: could find nine hundred ninety one bucks. No direct flights

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Speaker 1: from lax but this is on a airline called air Transap.

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Speaker 2: Never heard of that one.

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Speaker 1: June third through seventh, So I guess I'll need a

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Speaker 1: fill in for that weekend, or I guess I'll do

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Speaker 1: the show from Athens. All right, on the show. Now

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Speaker 1: joining me is Jared Newman one of my favorite newsletters.

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Speaker 1: Most of the newsletters I get in my inbox, I

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Speaker 1: just delete, like without reading them. Jared's never that never

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Speaker 1: happens to his newsletter because it's so good.

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Speaker 2: There's two of them.

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Speaker 1: There's Cord Cutters Weekly and then there is Advisorator. Both

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Speaker 1: of them are excellent. Jared, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Rich, thanks for saying that. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, last time you're on, I think we crashed your

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Speaker 1: website because so many people were trying to subscribe. So

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Speaker 1: let's hope to do that again.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I did.

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Speaker 7: I did upgrade my website, so hopefully that won't happen again. Oh.

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Speaker 1: Perfect, Well, welcome to the show. So first off, let's

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Speaker 1: what do you want to talk about? First, you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about this idea of the passwordless future or

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Speaker 1: do you want to.

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Speaker 2: Talk about what do you want to talk about? I'm

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Speaker 2: open at anything passwordless?

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Speaker 1: All right, So this is a new feature, and I

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Speaker 1: know we've heard about the idea of past you know,

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Speaker 1: no passwords for so long now, and there's been many

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Speaker 1: solutions in the past, but now we're getting a little

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Speaker 1: step closer with Google. Can you explain what they did

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Speaker 1: this in recent weeks.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so Google and Apple and Microsoft and a bunch

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Speaker 7: of industry players have worked together on this system called

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Speaker 7: past keys, And the way it works is traditionally, you

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Speaker 7: want to sign up for a website, you create a password,

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Speaker 7: and you give that password to the website. They store it,

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Speaker 7: and then you have to enter that password to log in.

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Speaker 7: The way that passkeys work is is kind of like

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Speaker 7: a password, but it's stored on your device instead of

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Speaker 7: stored with whatever website you're signing into. And so the

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Speaker 7: best way to kind of think about it is you

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Speaker 7: want to sign in to say eBay or what have you,

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Speaker 7: You create a pass key on your phone, and then

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Speaker 7: your phone says, hey, eBay, rich is who he says

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Speaker 7: he is because we just checked his face ID, we've

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Speaker 7: got his past key here, so let him into the website.

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Speaker 7: So supposed to work really elegantly in the sense that

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Speaker 7: there's no risk of your password being stolen in a

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Speaker 7: security breach. Theoretically, if passwords don't exist anymore, then you're

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Speaker 7: resistant to phishing attempts. And it's also just you don't

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Speaker 7: have to member of password anymore generated in a password manager.

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Speaker 7: So in theory, this is all going to make our

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Speaker 7: password headaches go away.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go back to the eBay example. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so don't I have to create an account with a

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Speaker 1: password to begin or you're saying in the future, you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't even have to do that. They would just say, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, scan a QR code on your phone or

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Speaker 1: something to link this up your passcode on your phone

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Speaker 1: to this site.

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Speaker 2: How's that going to work?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So in the future that is the idea. Pretty

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Speaker 7: much every version of password lists that you see today

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Speaker 7: there is still a password. And in fact, if you

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Speaker 7: go to eBay now.

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Speaker 1: Wait, you're telling me that in the future with password lists,

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Speaker 1: we still have a password.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think they want to get rid of passwords

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Speaker 7: over time. But you know, one thing, which is what

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Speaker 7: I wrote about, is that the whole implementation right now

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Speaker 7: is really messy and not really conducive to getting rid

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Speaker 7: of passwords entirely. You're still going to need that fallback

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Speaker 7: for a while, just because there's a a lot of

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Speaker 7: areas where trying to log in with this passwordless system

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Speaker 7: just falls apart, and so you still need the old ways.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So who is supporting this?

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Speaker 7: So Apple on the sort of the system level. Apple

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Speaker 7: supports it, Google supports it on Android, and Microsoft supports it.

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Speaker 7: One thing that gets a little tricky is just it's

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Speaker 7: all tied to whatever ecosystem you're in. So let's say

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Speaker 7: you're using an Android phone you want to sign into eBay.

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Speaker 7: That passkey is stored in Android. You want to use

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Speaker 7: an iPad to log into your eBay account. That gets

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Speaker 7: a little messy in terms of how you access that passkey. Now,

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Speaker 7: there's sort of like a Bluetooth QR code system where

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Speaker 7: you need to transfer the passkey over, and there isn't

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Speaker 7: really a way to switch all of your passkeys into

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Speaker 7: a different ecosystem. So you know, if you have a

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Speaker 7: password manager now, you use one password and you decide

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Speaker 7: you want to switch to Orton, you can export all

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Speaker 7: your passwords, move them over and just go about your business.

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Speaker 7: There's nothing like that with passkeys now, So that is

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Speaker 7: one thing that needs to be figured out. The other

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Speaker 7: thing is just the way it works with all these

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Speaker 7: sites is entirely different. If you want to create a

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Speaker 7: passkey with best Buy, So if you go to log

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Speaker 7: in a best Buy now, you'll see that their login

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Speaker 7: page has a button that says sign in with passkey.

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Speaker 2: That's cal passkey.

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Speaker 7: You have to actually go deep into this account settings

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Speaker 7: page and go find the option. It's almost like deliberately

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Speaker 7: hidden out of the way so that normal people don't

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Speaker 7: find it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking at some of the websites that support passkeys,

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Speaker 1: according to Digital Trends, PayPal, Kayak, best Buy, eBay, go Daddy, Google,

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Speaker 1: dash Lane, Safari, card pointers. That's not too many websites.

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Speaker 1: But here's the other thing. So, because my phone is

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Speaker 1: my passcode now or my past key, I should say

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Speaker 1: what happens if I lose my phone.

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Speaker 7: This riles me up because I think there are systems

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Speaker 7: to recover your pass keys, but they're just not really

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Speaker 7: very clearly documented. I think what's gonna happen in the

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Speaker 7: future is the ideal. Ideally, you have more than one device, right,

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Speaker 7: so if you lose your phone, maybe you use your

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Speaker 7: laptop to kind of reauthenticate a new phone, or maybe

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Speaker 7: you have some backup codes printed somewhere. As if your

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Speaker 7: phone's only your only device, you have a contingency plan

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Speaker 7: or like Apple has the concept of a trusted contact

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Speaker 7: where you know, you go to your spouse or something

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Speaker 7: and say, all right, this person can unlock my account

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Speaker 7: if I lose my phone. But as it stands, it's

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Speaker 7: just all of this is not really made clear to

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Speaker 7: users when they're getting started, and that again comes back

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Speaker 7: to we're still going to need these passwords, uh, to

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Speaker 7: kind of mitigate all that. I actually just ran into

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Speaker 7: this the other day because I did the Google pass

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Speaker 7: key setup and I set it up on an Android device,

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Speaker 7: and then I I went to log into a new

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Speaker 7: site on my iPhone and the website wanted to connect

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Speaker 7: with my Google account, and so when I went to

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Speaker 7: do that, this app had its own like sort of

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Speaker 7: in ap browser to connect to my Google account, so

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Speaker 7: I had to do the whole signing system from scratch.

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Speaker 7: And then Google recognized that I had a passkey, so

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Speaker 7: it was like the default thing was sign in with

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Speaker 7: your pass key, but the only way I could get

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Speaker 7: that passkey from my Android phone was to display a

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Speaker 7: QR code on the Android phone and scan it with

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Speaker 7: my iPhone. And that's just like this is way too hard,

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Speaker 7: Like I don't want to deal with any of that.

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Speaker 7: So I ended up having to click through a bunch

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Speaker 7: of options to get back to signing into my password.

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Speaker 7: So I think that this whole idea is really sound.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to sound like somebody that thinks this

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Speaker 7: will not take off. I think eventually it will work,

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Speaker 7: but just right now it's in this phase where there's

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Speaker 7: a lot of industry excitement. It doesn't really match up

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Speaker 7: with the reality of what people will experience when they

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Speaker 7: go try to use it.

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Speaker 2: Right off, like actually using it.

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is, so your phone, now remember

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Speaker 1: these things, these little like USB devices like a UB

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Speaker 1: key that you would plug in or you know, not

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Speaker 1: even that it's it's like, remember there's like a device

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Speaker 1: that would like display a code every like a two

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Speaker 1: factor I mean, there's been so many things over the

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Speaker 1: years to try to secure our accounts. So what they're

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Speaker 1: saying is your phone is sort of your security code now,

1283
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: like it's it's your phone. If you have your phone,

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Speaker 1: you should be able to sign into a place without

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Speaker 1: thinking about a password.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. I think the idea is that you

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Speaker 7: get rid of these two factor authentication steps. Because you

1288
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 7: have your phone, you unlock it with your face or

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01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 7: your fingerprint, and that sufficiently proves who you are. At

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Speaker 7: least that's that's the idea. In theory. There is some

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01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 7: some nitpicking over the fact that you can get in

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Speaker 7: with a pin and if somebody steals your pin, you're

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Speaker 7: in trouble. So it's like, again, there's just a lot

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Speaker 7: of layers here, and even me just trying to wrap

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Speaker 7: my head around. Okay, I've got you know, I've got

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Speaker 7: three pas keys now stored in my Best Guy account

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Speaker 7: because I've got three different device ecosystems, and then there's

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Speaker 7: another set of passkeys for Google. And it's just like

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Speaker 7: this is hard for me even as a techie.

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Speaker 1: It so bottom line, and I've got just about a

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Speaker 1: minute here, So do you recommend people set this up

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Speaker 1: or just kind of sit and wait on this.

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Speaker 7: I think if you're kind of experimental about it and

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Speaker 7: want to give it a try, you can. Again, the

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Speaker 7: passwords aren't going away, so there's not like a huge risk,

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Speaker 7: but you might run into some of these things like

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Speaker 7: I ran into where your pass is stored on one

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Speaker 7: device and you get to jump through an extra hoop

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Speaker 7: to like not use that pass key, but you're not

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Speaker 7: going to get locked out of your account as is.

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Speaker 7: As a result in that, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, switching gears real quick before we got to go,

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Speaker 1: how do we get free Apple TV Plus?

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Speaker 7: I sent you a few links. Basically, there's all these

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Speaker 7: three months or two month free trials out there. Apple

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Speaker 7: just launched a two month trial. Best Buy and Target

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Speaker 7: have had them for ages now, and you would think

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Speaker 7: with these trials you could only redeem them once. My

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Speaker 7: experience has been if you kind of cycle through them,

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Speaker 7: you can just kind of keep redeeming them. I'm a

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Speaker 7: little hesitant about saying this on a huge radio show,

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Speaker 7: but so far I haven't paid for Apple TV yet.

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Speaker 7: I've watched pretty much everything that I wanted to watch

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Speaker 7: over the past couple of years.

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Speaker 1: I'm always surprised, and I've been using your chord Cutter

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Speaker 1: sign up codes that come in your newsletter to sign

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Speaker 1: up for Paramount Plus. I must have signed up now

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Speaker 1: three or four times, and every single time I'm surprised

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Speaker 1: that it continues to work. But now that I said this,

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Speaker 1: guess what, It'll probably stop working.

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Speaker 7: Well. See, I'm always just as surprised as you.

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Speaker 1: Are, all right, So I put all the links to everything.

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Speaker 1: Jared Newman of Advisorator, thanks so much for joining me today.

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Speaker 1: I'm putting all the links on the website. What's the

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Speaker 1: best way for folks to get in.

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Speaker 2: Touch with you.

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Speaker 7: Oh, if you want to sign up for chord Cutter Weekly,

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Speaker 7: it's just Chordcutterweekly dot com and you'll get a welcome

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Speaker 7: email from me, so you can always just reply to

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Speaker 7: that get in touch.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks so much for joining me today. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Yeah, thanks, Rich all right. Jared Newman of

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Speaker 1: Advisorator put him on the website. So if you go

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Speaker 1: to rich on tech dot tv you can get the

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Speaker 1: links to everything we just talked about. Past keys to

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Speaker 1: sign up for the newsletter, and of course how to

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: get free Apple TV. Plus I'm paying like thirty three

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Speaker 1: dollars a month for all those Apple services, and I'm

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01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: really trying to like cut down on that because I

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Speaker 1: feel like I could do that.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, that's my problem, not yours.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 1: Coming up later in the show, we're gonna talk the

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Speaker 1: good old days of BlackBerry. We're gonna talk about some

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Speaker 1: new Amazon products. Plus your calls at triple eight rich

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Speaker 1: one on one. That's eight eight eight seven four to

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Speaker 1: two four one zero one. Rich Demiro here, Rich on

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Speaker 1: Tech talking technology with you. The phone number to call

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Speaker 1: is triple eight rich one on one that's eight eight

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Speaker 1: eight seven four to two four one zero one, or

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Speaker 1: you can email hello at Rich on tech dot TV.

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Speaker 1: AL is in Woodland.

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Speaker 2: Hills, AL.

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Speaker 3: You're on with Rich Hey, rich Kin you doing?

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Speaker 2: I am doing fantastic.

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Speaker 7: How are you fine?

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Speaker 9: Love your show?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Thank you?

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Speaker 9: I watch you almost every morning.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice, I like to hear that. See you up

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Speaker 2: early or.

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Speaker 9: What I recorded?

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Speaker 2: Ah, Okay, I don't get up better early. Well, I do,

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Speaker 2: believe me. And it's if people say, oh, it gets easy,

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, at least not in the twelve

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Speaker 2: years I've been doing it. But it's it's a load

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Speaker 2: of fun. So I you know, that's what keeps me going.

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Speaker 9: Glad you enjoy it. Okay. So I had a problem

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Speaker 9: with chat apt which I thought was fantastic. That the

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Speaker 9: problem was they cut me off and I said, I'm

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Speaker 9: exercised my maximum amount of rere selections and I need

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Speaker 9: to subscribe for nineteen nine and nine a month. But

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Speaker 9: guess what, I just locked in now just to make

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Speaker 9: sure and now I can get in. Okay, But that

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Speaker 9: sounds new very inaccurate on certain things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh you mean when you're asking it stuff?

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Speaker 9: Oh A review of the movie Air. Yeah, click movie

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Speaker 9: and they kip giving me an old sci fi thriller.

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Speaker 1: Well okay, so on that note, so a couple things.

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Speaker 1: You got a lot to unpack here. So number one,

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Speaker 1: chat GPT is only up to date until twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: so it doesn't even know about the movie Air, so, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I've heard is an excellent movie.

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Speaker 2: So there's my review.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I haven't watched yet, but I guess it's it's

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Speaker 1: on Prime and it's in the theater so you can

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Speaker 1: see it, you know, if you have Prime. So that's

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Speaker 1: number one. Number two, what website are you using to

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Speaker 1: access chat gpt? Because basically there have been so many

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Speaker 1: kling on sites that sort of are playing upon this

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Speaker 1: that there's a lot of stuff that people are accessing

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Speaker 1: that are not necessarily the original.

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Speaker 2: So what websit are you using?

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Speaker 9: Looks like a AI chat and it's got a most

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Speaker 9: like op up Olympic Rings logo.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the way the official website is chat dot

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Speaker 1: OpenAI dot com.

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Speaker 2: Is that the one you're going to?

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure, but I'll try it again, okay dot

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Speaker 9: com Okay, And this.

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Speaker 1: Is important for for many people because if you go

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Speaker 1: online and search chat GBT, you may not get the

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Speaker 1: official website the first time because there's so many other

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Speaker 1: websites that are, you know, playing upon the popularity of

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Speaker 1: this site, and there's other there's other things going on too.

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Speaker 1: Some websites will use the power of chat GBT to

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Speaker 1: power their own search chats and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Ai chat.

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Speaker 1: So if you want the original, if you want the official,

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Speaker 1: it's chat dot open ai dot com.

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Speaker 9: Okay, I'll try that now when it comes Yeah, thing

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Speaker 9: and barred.

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Speaker 2: Good question.

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Speaker 1: So I personally am really enjoying Bard because what I

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Speaker 1: like about it is it's up to date, it's fast,

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Speaker 1: and it's free. And so if you want to try

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Speaker 1: that one, that is at Bard dot Google dot com,

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Speaker 1: and just as of last week, they opened it up

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Speaker 1: to everyone, so you no longer have to get on

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Speaker 1: the wait list. You just go to Bard dot Google

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Speaker 1: dot com and you can start using it immediately. Now

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Speaker 1: with Bing, if you want to access that one that

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Speaker 1: is at bing dot com slash New and with that

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Speaker 1: they're requiring you to download Microsoft Edge to use it.

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Speaker 2: For some reason.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they're still doing that, but that

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Speaker 1: is what you have to do, and Bang I thought

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Speaker 1: was okay. And Bing actually uses chat GPT as their

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Speaker 1: back end and it is up to date, so it

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Speaker 1: does have the latest. If you looked up the review

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Speaker 1: of Air on Bing, it should come up with the answer.

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Speaker 1: But I found that Bing was a lot slower and

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Speaker 1: the answers were just not as good is what I

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Speaker 1: was getting from Google. So I personally have been using Google.

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Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people like chat GBT,

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Speaker 1: but it really comes down to personal preference. Let's see,

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Speaker 1: give me a review of the twenty twenty three movie Air,

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Speaker 1: Let's see what it comes up with on Google, and

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Speaker 1: let's see if it is going to do that. And

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Speaker 1: sure enough, there it is. It gives me the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so Google is very up to date on

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Speaker 1: their information. But again it just kind of comes down

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Speaker 1: to personal preference. Chat GBT, I think right now, has

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Speaker 1: the most apps that plug into it, so you can,

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Speaker 1: you know, do different things with chat GBT, And like

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, they also have the app, so if you

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Speaker 1: want to get the app for chat GBT on the iPhone,

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Speaker 1: it's only available for iPhone right now. It's not an

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Speaker 1: Android just yet, but it is really good, so al,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of the AI that you're seeing

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Speaker 1: on this stuff? You think, I think it's pretty.

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Speaker 2: Cool or what?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's a combination of pretty cool and pretty dangerous. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: the wrong hands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the big concern right now is where

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Speaker 1: this is going to go in the future. Right But

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Speaker 1: I would I would cancel that twenty bucks a month.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you need to be paying twenty dollars

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Speaker 1: a month for this stuff.

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Speaker 9: I would refused.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks for asking. Very popular, very popular these

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Speaker 1: days to talk AI. It's pretty much the only conversation

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01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: that's happening almost everywhere. So how long do I have

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Speaker 1: to before I can? I? Can I get one more

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01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: thing in? I got a minute? Okay, let's see. Well,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you about two things that are happening

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Speaker 1: here with Echo. These are two new devices I want

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01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: to tell you about. Echo Pop. This is from Amazon

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Speaker 1: forty bucks. This is a new speaker and it's comes

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01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: in four different colors. And the cool thing about this

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Speaker 1: Echo Pop is that if you have an euro network,

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Speaker 1: it'll add to your Wi Fi network as a access point.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of Neat and the other new product

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Speaker 1: from Amazon this week is the Echo Buds. These are

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Speaker 1: fifty earbuds. I have not tested them, so I can't

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Speaker 1: tell you how good they are. But what's cool is

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Speaker 1: that you know they're water resistant all this stuff. But

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Speaker 1: they have this cool multi point pairing feature, which means

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Speaker 1: you can pair your Echo buds to two different devices,

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Speaker 1: say a laptop and a phone, and they will switch

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Speaker 1: between the audio. So if you're listening to music on

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Speaker 1: your phone and all of a sudden, a zoom call

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01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: comes in on your laptop, it'll switch to that device.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of a cool feature that typically the

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Speaker 1: more expensive earbuds have, and especially the air pods have.

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Speaker 1: So Echo Pop, New Speaker, Echo Buds, New earbuds, two

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Speaker 1: new products from Amazon this week.

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Speaker 2: They come out with a lot of Alexa stuff.

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01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: They say they've got half a billion devices running Alexa

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Speaker 1: at this point.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot. All right, give me a call triple

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Speaker 2: eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven four

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Speaker 2: to two four to one zero one.

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Speaker 1: That rounds out this hour. I'll be back in just

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Speaker 1: a bit with more rich on Tech. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: rich On Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging out with you

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Speaker 1: talking technology at Triple eight Rich.

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Speaker 2: One oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four to two,

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Speaker 2: four to one zero one.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our number three of the show. If you

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Speaker 1: have a call or a question, give me a call.

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Speaker 1: Everyone seemed to be looking at me this week with

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Speaker 1: this story about car makers removing AM radio from their cars.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's like, Rich, what do you think about this?

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Speaker 10: Rich?

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Speaker 2: You just got a show on AM radio. What do

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Speaker 2: you think?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm no expert, but I don't like it

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Speaker 1: and I definitely am not a fan. And also it's

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Speaker 1: one of these things where well, let me tell you

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Speaker 1: the story. So BMW, Mazda, Volvo, Volkswagen, and Tesla have

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Speaker 1: either removed AM radio from some of their electric cars

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Speaker 1: or they're going to. And Ford said that they're going

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Speaker 1: to ditch AM radio in all cars, all new cars,

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Speaker 1: gas or electric, and a lot of times, especially with Tesla,

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Speaker 1: they mentioned that this is because of electromagnetic interference from

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Speaker 1: with the evs and the electrical systems, and also the

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Speaker 1: electric motors interfere with the AM frequencies which make them

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Speaker 1: not sound so good. But there are four thousand AM

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Speaker 1: radio stations out there that broadcast news, talk shows, sports,

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Speaker 1: my show. So what are people going to do, especially

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Speaker 1: when it comes to emergencies. There's all the emergency weather alerts.

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Speaker 1: The National Association of Broadcasters says AM radio is the

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Speaker 1: backbone of the nation's emergency alert system. And also AM frequencies.

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Speaker 1: They travel further, they go through more objects, so you

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Speaker 1: can hear them in more places, so they just work better.

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Speaker 1: But this is the debate why this is happening, whether

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Speaker 1: it's going to continue, and what's going to happen to

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Speaker 1: AM radio. I don't have the answer, but I do

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Speaker 1: know this. I grew up with AM radio. I grew

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Speaker 1: up listening to it, my dad listening to it every

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Speaker 1: single day on the way to school. Many people still

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Speaker 1: listen here and in other places. And yes, times are changing.

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Speaker 1: People are streaming, they're listening to satellite, they're listening to

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Speaker 1: streaming podcasts, whatever. There are a million ways to listen.

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Speaker 1: But why remove one of the options when people still

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Speaker 1: like it? And these car makers, Yeah, the whole interference

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I mean, if someone's doing it,

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Speaker 1: then they can do it now. I do know some

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Speaker 1: of the stations will simulcast on an FM like an

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Speaker 1: HD two or something like that. But it just seems

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Speaker 1: to me as someone who's in the news when something

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Speaker 1: is happening, right, when something's hitting the fan, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. You don't sit there and pull

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Speaker 1: up Netflix.

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Speaker 9: What do you do?

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Speaker 1: You tune in to live broadcasts, over the air broadcasts.

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Speaker 1: That's what we do, that's what we are trained to do,

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Speaker 1: that's what we are, what we've been doing forever. And

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Speaker 1: by not having that option, and let's say you've got

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Speaker 1: this streaming on your car. And believe me, I love streaming,

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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, it's great. But when it comes

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Speaker 1: to live things that are happening in this world, we

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Speaker 1: sort of turn to broadcasts that are happening in real time,

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Speaker 1: that are over the air, that can be received by

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Speaker 1: anything for free, and that's how we get that information

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Speaker 1: and to have that go away. A. I don't think

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Speaker 1: this is going to happen overnight. People are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's gone, it's over, it's done. No, it doesn't happen overnight.

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Speaker 1: There are many cars out there that still have the

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Speaker 1: ability to pick up these stations.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe moving forward in the future there will be less,

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Speaker 1: but it's not an overnight thing. It's not a cut

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Speaker 1: and dry thing like oh, this is done, this is over,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's definitely something to think about, especially as

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Speaker 1: control goes away. So we have to think about that too.

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Speaker 1: You know, when when you have something that's not available,

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Speaker 1: you know, people when when it came to TV, people

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Speaker 1: would say, like you know, the streaming, Oh just get

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Speaker 1: YouTube TV or just get you know, Hulu, Well don't forget.

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Speaker 1: You know, those things cost money and you have to

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Speaker 1: have equipment to have it, you know, to pick it up.

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Speaker 1: Whereas an antenna, you know, you could put that anywhere

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Speaker 1: and get the signal the same way no matter where

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Speaker 1: you are. So anyway, I just I kind of want

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Speaker 1: to address that, just because everyone's asking me what I

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01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: think about that whole situation. There is some some bipartisan

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Speaker 1: legislation to keep AM radio in cars. It's called the

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Speaker 1: AM for Every Vehicle Act. It would require that automakers

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Speaker 1: maintain AM broadcast radio in their vehicles without a separate

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01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 1: or additional payment fee or search arge. This is a

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01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: bill that is making its way through I guess it

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01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet obviously, but anyway, something to keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on because it's it's definitely a topic of conversation that,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, everyone's looking at me like I'm the expert.

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Speaker 1: I've only been on AM radio for six months, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I hope to be on here for a

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Speaker 1: very long time, or any radio.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: We talked about AI just a minute ago. So many

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Speaker 1: hot topic issues in the tech world these days.

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Speaker 2: AI.

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Speaker 1: Sam Altman, the guy who created chat gpt, probably the

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Speaker 1: fastest product in history to get the most users in

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Speaker 1: the quickest amount of time. He was before lawmakers talking

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Speaker 1: about AI and how everyone's kind of scared about what

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Speaker 1: this could do, and we don't know. We really don't

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Speaker 1: know right now. You type into a computer and ask

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Speaker 1: a question. I asked for a review of the movie

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Speaker 1: Air Okay, big deal. It gives me a quick review.

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Speaker 1: It looks at the Internet and summarizes what everyone else

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Speaker 1: is saying about it, coming up with its own thoughts

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Speaker 1: on it. It's just a good summarization of what other

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Speaker 1: people have said. And a lot of times it's wrong.

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Speaker 1: They call it hallucinating. These things just literally make up facts,

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01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: and you don't know when you're reading it if it's

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Speaker 1: real or not.

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Speaker 2: So you've got to be aware of this. Stuff.

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Speaker 1: Sam Altman was up there saying he welcomes regulation of

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Speaker 1: this technology. He calls for independent audits, some sort of

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Speaker 1: licensing system, and warnings like we have on food Okay,

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Speaker 1: Like Google has a warning on the bottom of every page.

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Speaker 1: It says Bard may display inaccurate or offensive information that

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Speaker 1: doesn't represent Google's views. All it takes is one screenshot

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Speaker 1: of something that Bard says that's just totally wild and wacky,

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Speaker 1: and people are like, Google, why are you putting that

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Speaker 1: out in the world. Well, it's not us, it's it's

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Speaker 1: they have a mind of their own.

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Speaker 2: These AI. Now, this is what I was getting at.

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Speaker 1: Someone's gonna build this AI into a role and that

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Speaker 1: robot is going to think for itself quote unquote think

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Speaker 1: and make decisions and do things. That is scary because

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Speaker 1: I talked about hallucination. Hallucination. How do you say that

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Speaker 1: word hallucination?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: So, imagine this robot was trained to do one thing

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Speaker 1: and then it decides to do something else. I know

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Speaker 1: it sounds like a sci fi movie, but that is

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Speaker 1: what we are going to be facing in the future here.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not one of these people that's the conspiracy theorists.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a fearmonger, none of those things. I am

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Speaker 1: just someone who is realistic about this. There are going

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Speaker 1: to be people that build this technology into things that

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Speaker 1: move and do stuff. It's gonna be airplanes, it's going

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Speaker 1: to be all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Cars.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at the debate over Tesla and there's

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Speaker 1: self driving car. We never even really heard the term

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Speaker 1: AI when it came to the self driving. Now, of

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01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 1: course every car is gonna have AI built in for

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Speaker 1: self driving, and that AI will have to make decisions.

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Speaker 1: Sam Altman also addressed the election next year, saying how

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a significant area of concern.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be the first election where AI is gonna

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Speaker 1: have a huge impact. What we see, what we hear,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be It's gonna be wild. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a wild West of what can you believe? What can

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Speaker 1: you not believe? There's gonna be videos on the Internet

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Speaker 1: of politicians saying stuff and you don't know if they're real.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's wild. We've never seen that before in history.

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01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: He said, Okay, let me see the video, and before

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Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, it's kind of grainy. No, now,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be them talking and you're like, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's real or not. He said when

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Speaker 1: photoshop came on the scene, people were quite fooled by

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Speaker 1: the images, but then people understood that images might be photoshopped.

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Speaker 2: But he said, this is going to be like that.

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Speaker 1: But on steroids, people are gonna really not understand what

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Speaker 1: is happening in the world with AI.

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Speaker 2: Let's see what else.

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Speaker 1: If technology goes wrong, it can go quite wrong. We

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Speaker 1: need to be on the right side of that. And yes,

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Speaker 1: he said, chat GBT is going to entirely automate some

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01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: jobs away, but he said that some jobs because of

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Speaker 1: AI will be much better. And everyone's comparing the regulation

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Speaker 1: of AI to what happened with sort of like social

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Speaker 1: media networks and just kind of in general with technology

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Speaker 1: over the past ten years. We kind of welcome this stuff,

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01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,560
Speaker 1: and now we're much more critical of it because we

1684
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 1: realized what happened. These companies were able to grow and

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01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,879
Speaker 1: do things kind of on their own accord without much regulation,

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01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: and this time around, everyone's kind of like, eh, let's

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01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, maybe watch this a little

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01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: bit more closely. AI is going to be really interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be really good in so many ways,

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Speaker 1: but it's also going to have many, many implications in

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Speaker 1: our lives, not all of them good.

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Speaker 2: Think about that.

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Speaker 1: All right, coming up, we're gonna talk after I get

1694
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 1: all the scary stuff out, Let's talk about the fun

1695
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 1: days when you BBN people.

1696
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 2: He said, Hey, send me your pin.

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Speaker 1: We've got Christina Warren coming up to talk about the

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Speaker 1: good old days of BlackBerry and of course the BlackBerry movie,

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Speaker 1: which I just love.

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Speaker 2: More of your calls.

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Speaker 1: Phone lines are open Triple eight rich one O one

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Speaker 1: eight eight eight seven four to two, four to one

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Speaker 1: to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech.

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Speaker 1: I've got everything linked up to what I mentioned here

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Speaker 1: on the show, and there is a lot. All right,

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Speaker 1: coming up, we're gonna talk about BlackBerry, the movie and

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Speaker 1: the device. If you haven't seen the movie yet, I

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01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 1: don't know why I'm so excited about the movie.

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01:25:58,960 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 2: It was just so good.

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Speaker 1: It was just really it overdid it for me. Like

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Speaker 1: I just I didn't know what to expect, but I

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Speaker 1: was just like wow, came away thinking how great it was.

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Speaker 1: But I did want to tell you about this emails,

1721
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:15,799
Speaker 1: phishing emails. Everyone always asks about antivirus software, and honestly,

1722
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:20,560
Speaker 1: I feel like that was the past of how we

1723
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 1: used to get in trouble online. You know, the viruses,

1724
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: and it still happens, believe me. So you do need

1725
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: to be on guard with that. But I think a

1726
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 1: majority of the scams these days are really emails and

1727
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: phishing emails specifically, and not just emails but also texts.

1728
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: So one of these training companies that a lot of

1729
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 1: corporations use, it's called no Before. If you ever gotten

1730
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:47,680
Speaker 1: one of these emails from your company that says, hey,

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01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: we need you to train on how to identify a

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01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 1: phishing email. It will just take twenty minutes of your

1733
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 1: time and then you have to like click through all

1734
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: these like little lessons and they try to like trick

1735
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 1: you you and quiz you and teach you all at

1736
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: the same time. Well that's what this company does. But

1737
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: even though you know it's kind of one of those

1738
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:11,560
Speaker 1: things that no employee wants to do. It does teach you.

1739
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: And I had to take one the other day. It

1740
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: was about phishing, and I literally slept through it. So

1741
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,799
Speaker 1: like I can tell a phishing it was a phishing

1742
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: text kind of.

1743
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 2: Education.

1744
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: And it's just like, I, like, I could figure out

1745
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: a phishing text pretty easily, but I mean, you know,

1746
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 1: they're still tricky.

1747
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 2: Okay.

1748
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 1: So the reason I tell you this is because here

1749
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: are the emails they've seen in the first quarter of

1750
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three that are trying to phish people, okay.

1751
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 1: And phishing is when they send you an email with

1752
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 1: either a link or a phone number in it that

1753
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: you click and you try to like do something like

1754
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 1: whether it's update your says, hey, your Amazon order can't ship.

1755
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: Can your credit card didn't get charged? Can you please

1756
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: update your number? And you go, what, my card's fine.

1757
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: You go in, you click it and you type in

1758
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: your number and you press submit and then you go, oh, no,

1759
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: that was a phishing email.

1760
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 2: Okay.

1761
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: So the comment in the wild email headlines for Q

1762
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 1: one twenty twenty three Please review updated Financial Policies sounds

1763
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: innocent enough.

1764
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 2: Zoom. The meeting has started, where are you? And sure

1765
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,560
Speaker 2: enough you go in there, you click and it's a

1766
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 2: phishing link tries to get you to log in it

1767
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 2: laptop refresh. Ooh, I get a new laptop.

1768
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 1: Yes, let me click and submit all my information. Oh wait,

1769
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: Meta suspicious activity. That's when I get all the time.

1770
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: It's always like a copyright thing or something like that.

1771
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 1: It's always through meta or Instagram. Share Point manager name

1772
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 1: has shared test data with you, and you go, what

1773
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: why are they sharing this with me? Let me open

1774
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:49,440
Speaker 1: this up and see what that deal is. Microsoft Microsoft's

1775
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 1: new password requirements everyone uses Microsoft. Let's read about the

1776
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:54,520
Speaker 1: new password requirements.

1777
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 2: HR.

1778
01:28:56,040 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: Please verify your banking information. Ugh, not verify your banking

1779
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 1: information to anyone, please, especially not a random email that

1780
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 1: you get. I don't think your your HR would ever

1781
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: do that.

1782
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 9: You know.

1783
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 2: One time I put in the wrong routing number on

1784
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 2: my paycheck.

1785
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,719
Speaker 1: And it went to someone else's account a couple hundred

1786
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 1: bucks because I did, like I it was like a

1787
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: separate account I had that I was like trying to

1788
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 1: save some money in or something, and I guess I

1789
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 1: typed in the numbers wrong, and so literally someone got

1790
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: a couple hundred dollars from me, and I called my bank,

1791
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 1: I called my HR There's nothing they could do. They

1792
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: this person literally got free money. I don't even believe

1793
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: that that's like something that could happen, but it did.

1794
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: I was like what, So I was like a couple

1795
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: numbers off, I guess with my bank account. So please

1796
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 1: check your bank account numbers, the routing numbers twice before

1797
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 1: you submit, because there's not much you can do to

1798
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 1: get that money back. Uh, docu sign, DOCU sign account

1799
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 1: suspension notice. Oh, docu sign is really a big fishing

1800
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: one because is if you ever buy a house or

1801
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 1: a car or have to sign anything, you're using DocuSign

1802
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 1: and so you click there. Next thing you know, they're

1803
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 1: taking you for a ride. Webmail security alert for and

1804
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,560
Speaker 1: then your email address. Now that sounds kind of generic webmail,

1805
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:18,919
Speaker 1: but when it has your email address in the headline,

1806
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: you might say, oh, they've got my email, so that

1807
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 1: must be important. But believe me, they can get your

1808
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: email in a variety of ways. And then finally, refund

1809
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:32,719
Speaker 1: has been processed to your account. Refund has been processed

1810
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: to your account. Oh, who doesn't want to refund? And

1811
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 1: then you see this large number and you say, wait,

1812
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I had a refund for that amount.

1813
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: They say, we've seen a lot more business related email

1814
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: subjects coming from hr it and managers in the past year,

1815
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: so be careful if you see anything from hr IT

1816
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: your managers, it's because they play upon the stuff that

1817
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 1: we really get, and a lot of us really get

1818
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:03,759
Speaker 1: emails from our hr and IT managers other us. Others

1819
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 1: involve logins on new devices and password resets. Oh that's

1820
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: a good one. Hey, did you just log in on

1821
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: this phone and they give you some random phone and

1822
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: you say no, well click here to fix that, and

1823
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 1: next thing you know, you get that that phishing email. Again,

1824
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: tax related subjects were really popular. And again all of

1825
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 1: these attacks are effective according to no Before because they

1826
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: cause a person to react before thinking logically about the

1827
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: legitimacy of the email. So again, these all prey upon

1828
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 1: stuff that we need to do immediately because you're like,

1829
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: wait a second, I didn't just log in. Wait a second,

1830
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,879
Speaker 1: my routing number is wrong. I've got to sign this document.

1831
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: Suspicious activity. These are all things that want you to

1832
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:53,839
Speaker 1: do stuff really fast, So don't do things fast online.

1833
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 2: Do it slow.

1834
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: When you go through I always say this when you

1835
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: go through sort of the the click pages that you

1836
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: know they want you to go through some sort of

1837
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 1: sign up or log in or flow screen, just just

1838
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 1: look at what you're doing. It's always very important to

1839
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. Don't get fished, please, it happens

1840
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 1: to the best of us, believe me. All right, coming up,

1841
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 1: we are going to talk about the BlackBerry. I'm very excited.

1842
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: I know I've been hyping this up throughout the whole show.

1843
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 1: There's a new movie called BlackBerry. I don't know if

1844
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: you need to see it in the theaters, but definitely

1845
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 1: put it on your list to see when it comes

1846
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: out on streaming. But if you want to see in

1847
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: the theaters I did. It was a great time. We're

1848
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:39,599
Speaker 1: going to talk to Christina Warren. She is a tech expert.

1849
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 1: Many many years she had a BlackBerry and she wrote

1850
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 1: a great article about BlackBerry. Coming up, we're going to

1851
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: talk BlackBerry. You're listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back

1852
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 1: to rich On Tech. Rich Demiro here talking technology with you.

1853
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 2: And BlackBerry. Yes, do you remember your BlackBerry?

1854
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:02,560
Speaker 5: I do.

1855
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 1: It's tough to remember just how exciting it was to

1856
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 1: have a BlackBerry in this iPhone world we live in.

1857
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: But there's a new movie called BlackBerry, which is really good.

1858
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,719
Speaker 1: It's a fictional movie, but it's based on a true story.

1859
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 2: I saw it this week. It was excellent.

1860
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 1: Really surprised me with how good it was because I'm like,

1861
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm a tech person, so of course I'm gonna enjoy this,

1862
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: but with like a random person enjoy and I think

1863
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 1: the answer is yes. Then I read this article by

1864
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 1: Christina Warren, who has been reporting on technology for many

1865
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 1: years and now as a developer, and I just had

1866
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: to bring her on the show to talk about this. Christina,

1867
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

1868
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having me, And I'm so

1869
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 10: glad to be able to talk about blinking hery.

1870
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,719
Speaker 2: Of all things, I know you, it's so wild.

1871
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 1: So I remember you back from your Mashable days, obviously,

1872
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: and then on Twitter your film Girl, which forever lives

1873
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 1: with me, and I remember you wrote an article about

1874
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 1: why you use that name?

1875
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, yeah, So I went to film school and

1876
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 10: I was in college when I started using Twitter, and

1877
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 10: that was just sort of like my name on various forums.

1878
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 10: And I didn't realize in two thousand and seven that

1879
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 10: that was going to become my identity, you know, basically

1880
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 10: for the rest of my career.

1881
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 2: But it has. There we are, but here we are.

1882
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 3: Here we are.

1883
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 10: And in this case, because you know, we're talking about

1884
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 10: the BlackBerry movie, we're talking about BlackBerry. I'm film girl.

1885
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 1: It works there you go, all right, So tell me

1886
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,799
Speaker 1: about bring us back to the days of having a BlackBerry.

1887
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: It's kind of tough to remember, but they sort of

1888
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 1: paved the way for I Message and all these different

1889
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: I guess proprietary texting networks because BBM was really what

1890
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:46,839
Speaker 1: made this device so amazing.

1891
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 2: Right to me, it really was right.

1892
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 10: So I wrote an article for Verse about how BlackBerry

1893
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 10: Messenger forever changed the way we text because after I

1894
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 10: saw the film, which I agree with you, I think

1895
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 10: it's just really really fair fantastic, whether you're you're end

1896
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,679
Speaker 10: attach or just like these sorts of stories about balls

1897
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 10: from Grace. I was thinking about, how, you know, when

1898
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:09,679
Speaker 10: you think about the BlackBerry, most of us think about

1899
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 10: the keyboard, and I think that's true, like that's an

1900
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 10: intrinsic part of the device. But for me, and I

1901
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 10: think for many of us, what made it really sticky,

1902
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 10: the thing that made it a Crackberry was the fact

1903
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,560
Speaker 10: that you had this always on messaging and for some

1904
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 10: people that was email. For a lot of us it

1905
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 10: was it was BBM, which was a BlackBerry Messenger. And this,

1906
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:30,759
Speaker 10: you know, in two thousand and five when it was released,

1907
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 10: was actually pretty revolutionary because you basically had like I

1908
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 10: am the same way.

1909
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 2: That we would have on our desktops or laptops back.

1910
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 10: Then, you would have it on your phone. And this

1911
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 10: was in an era when text messages were between you know,

1912
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 10: five and twenty cents a piece, and some of them

1913
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 10: were more expensive. If you wanted to text to people

1914
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:53,600
Speaker 10: in different countries and you couldn't really send, you know,

1915
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 10: photos or files, it was much more rudimentary. And in

1916
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,680
Speaker 10: two thousand and five, BlackBerry had a way where you

1917
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 10: could text one person or you could be in groups

1918
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 10: of people, and you didn't have to pay per text.

1919
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 10: It was unlimited. You could text as much as you wanted,

1920
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 10: you could sit files, you could send photos. One of

1921
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 10: the big innovations they created, and part of this was

1922
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 10: actually this comes from the book of Losing the Signal

1923
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 10: that the Black Gray film is loosely based off of.

1924
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 10: But one of the innovations they came up with, which

1925
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 10: still stands with us today, was this idea of knowing

1926
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 10: if your message was received and then if it was read,

1927
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 10: and so they would have these these d icons were

1928
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 10: delivered and are for read and that basically was put

1929
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 10: into place to make sure the network was working, and

1930
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 10: that's why that was originally there. But it then created

1931
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,560
Speaker 10: this psychological thing with many of us, which was, you know,

1932
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 10: you found out if you were left on red, like, okay,

1933
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Speaker 10: I see that you read my message, I see that

1934
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Speaker 10: you are around.

1935
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Speaker 7: Why have you not responded?

1936
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 10: And you know that's something that that WhatsApp has, the

1937
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 10: Facebook messenger has, that I message has if you unless

1938
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 10: you turn off read receipts. And so it's it's really

1939
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 10: fun that this that that's sort of a you know,

1940
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 10: like UI paradigm is still a cultural thing with us

1941
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 10: eighteen years later.

1942
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Speaker 1: And you know, I think there's also a kind of

1943
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: a gosh, what's the word for. I mean, when you

1944
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: see that a message was read, it just feels good

1945
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,640
Speaker 1: because you know that it was either looked at and

1946
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, understood, even if they don't reply back to you,

1947
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 1: which is a whole nother thing, right, but you know

1948
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 1: that it was it got in before someone's.

1949
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 2: Eyes, right, absolutely, and it just absolutely it makes you

1950
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 2: feel better knowing that.

1951
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 1: And so I think part of this whole thing with

1952
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: the blue bubble versus green bubble, you know, when you

1953
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,719
Speaker 1: text from an iPhone to an Android or vice versas,

1954
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Speaker 1: that you don't see that, and there is something psychological

1955
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 1: about like, oh, I don't know if that was delivered,

1956
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right phone number. I'm

1957
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 1: not sure if they ever saw that. And so there

1958
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 1: is something to the just kind of the the comfort

1959
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Speaker 1: in knowing that something was read or looked at, even

1960
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Speaker 1: if someone doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Reply to you. I totally agree, totally agree.

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Speaker 1: So in the movie, they talked about how they kind

1963
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 1: of hacked these cellular systems into working with these messages,

1964
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 1: right because they weren't really equipped at that time to

1965
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Speaker 1: handle all of these phones on a network with all

1966
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Speaker 1: these messages going by. So I thought that was a

1967
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 1: pretty interesting side of this whole thing.

1968
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Speaker 2: What did you make of that?

1969
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Speaker 10: No, totally and that you know, parts of the movie

1970
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 10: are definitely embellished, and they changed the timeline around a

1971
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 10: little bit. But from what I've read from the book,

1972
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 10: Losing the Signal on some other things that I think

1973
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 10: was actually accurate. The original BlackBerry network was using a

1974
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 10: network called Mobitex and this was something that Bell South,

1975
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 10: I believe that they were the carrier who was responsible

1976
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 10: for it in the United States, and then there was

1977
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 10: one of the Canadian carriers did it in Canada. And

1978
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 10: it was this kind of area of radio spectrum that

1979
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 10: could be used for primarily for text messaging. And so

1980
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 10: even though you might not have the spectrum to have

1981
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 10: a bunch of voice calls at once. This was what

1982
01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 10: was brilliant about research in Motion is they figured out

1983
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 10: we can compress these text packets and we can use

1984
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 10: this spectrum to send multiple asynchronous messages all the time,

1985
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 10: and we can have them flowing back and forth, and

1986
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 10: we can use this as kind of you know, this

1987
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 10: was nineteen ninety nine, two thousand. We can use this

1988
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 10: as a very rudimentary data network. And this was, you know,

1989
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 10: a decade before most of the major wireless carriers did

1990
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 10: actually start to shift to away from voice and into

1991
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 10: being pure you know, data pipes.

1992
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 1: Now, this just made me think of something because BlackBerry

1993
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,879
Speaker 1: seemed unstoppable at the time. If you didn't have a BlackBerry,

1994
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:34,679
Speaker 1: you were kind of like, you know, out of sorts.

1995
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 1: BBM was just it was like the only thing right,

1996
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 1: And now we think about today there are so many

1997
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: apps that do exactly this. But I Message seems to

1998
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 1: hold kind of like this crown because it's Apple and

1999
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 1: it's on the iPhone, it's proprietary. Could we see the

2000
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 1: same thing happened to Apple? If something else better comes along,

2001
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 1: or if they they're not going to open up I

2002
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:58,639
Speaker 1: message ever, we know that, yeah.

2003
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Speaker 10: I mean I doubt that they would. I I think

2004
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 10: that they I don't know. I think about that because

2005
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 10: in one case, I don't think that they need to

2006
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,680
Speaker 10: open up my message. I think that it is a

2007
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 10: good enough mote to say, this is a consistent experience

2008
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 10: that you have if you are on a Macro, an

2009
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 10: iPad or an iPhone, and you know, we have this

2010
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 10: better experience. We can do into end encryption, and we

2011
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 10: can transfer files, and we can FaceTime and all that stuff.

2012
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 10: I don't know if they need to open it up

2013
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 10: to anywhere else at the same time, to your point,

2014
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:30,680
Speaker 10: could something else usurfit? Definitely right? I mean a lot

2015
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 10: of these are cultural shifts, and depending on what part

2016
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 10: of the world you're in is kind of dependent on

2017
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 10: what messager you use. So even though iPhones sell very well,

2018
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 10: Like I have a lot of friends who live in

2019
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:45,759
Speaker 10: parts of Europe and parts of Asia, who I message

2020
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,680
Speaker 10: is not how they communicate, right They're using you know,

2021
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 10: line or we chat or WhatsApp. And then I talk

2022
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 10: to friends of mine who have teenagers and a lot

2023
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 10: of their kids are on Discord and that has really

2024
01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 10: become kind of their primary platform. So I think it's

2025
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:04,560
Speaker 10: always possible that those things could be disrupted, you know,

2026
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 10: to your point, we have more of these than ever before.

2027
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 10: But I also feel like Apple is in a little

2028
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 10: bit of a different situation than BlackBerry.

2029
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 7: BlackBerry.

2030
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Speaker 10: The problem with BlackBerry was that the phones weren't good

2031
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:18,839
Speaker 10: enough for people to have to remain on medium.

2032
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 1: They were right on trick Pony, they had only BBM,

2033
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,799
Speaker 1: whereas iPhone has I mean, iPhone is everything. It literally

2034
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 1: it's taken over twenty five different gadgets that we used

2035
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:29,720
Speaker 1: to have exactly.

2036
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 10: And it's arguably the best in class phone, right Like

2037
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:34,640
Speaker 10: it's it's arguably like if you're in that ecosystem and

2038
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:36,080
Speaker 10: you can have them for a long time, like you

2039
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 10: are getting a really great phone so I think that's

2040
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 10: a little bit different, but I definitely, you know, I

2041
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 10: remember a couple of years ago, I started getting invited

2042
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 10: to just tons and tons of Discord groups and I'm

2043
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:49,839
Speaker 10: still in a bunch of them, and that is definitely

2044
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:51,719
Speaker 10: replaced for for some of my friends.

2045
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,639
Speaker 7: And I like that is that is our group text.

2046
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 2: Better than I message.

2047
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 1: And that's when my kids, that's you know, they're younger,

2048
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 1: and that's you know, obviously, that's all they talk about

2049
01:41:58,439 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 1: is Discord. When can we get on Discord?

2050
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 9: All right?

2051
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,759
Speaker 2: Which was your favorite BlackBerry gosh?

2052
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:05,680
Speaker 10: Okay, Well, I'll always have a soft spot for the

2053
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,759
Speaker 10: for the first BlackBerry Curve because I love that phone.

2054
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 10: But I think the Bold, one of the Bolds, the

2055
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 10: BlackBerry Bold that had like the little uh like little

2056
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 10: mini track pad.

2057
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, And it had like a leather back.

2058
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:19,599
Speaker 9: It was just so slick.

2059
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 10: It was just the leather back like it just it

2060
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,160
Speaker 10: just was a great looking device, you know, so of

2061
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 10: its era. It's so funny to look at those now

2062
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 10: and go, man, we thought those were.

2063
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 7: We looked cool.

2064
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:32,600
Speaker 1: They were like little tanks, they could take anything, and

2065
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:34,600
Speaker 1: they had you know, removable batteries.

2066
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 2: I mean the BlackBerry Pearl. Remember how like delicate that was.

2067
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 2: It was just half the size. Oh so cute. Okay,

2068
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:42,560
Speaker 2: gotta go.

2069
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 1: But Glenn Howardton, who played Jim Bacilli in the movie,

2070
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:48,480
Speaker 1: he was incredible.

2071
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 2: I was so good, I mean so good.

2072
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:54,880
Speaker 1: I just couldn't get over the performance of all the

2073
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:55,879
Speaker 1: actors were great.

2074
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 7: Them, No, they were great. He really sold the show.

2075
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 10: When I saw the trailer, originally, I'm gonna be honest

2076
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:03,439
Speaker 10: with you, I was a little bit worried. I was like,

2077
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 10: they are going to take this book that I love, right,

2078
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:07,880
Speaker 10: and I see comedic actors. I was like, this is

2079
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 10: not going to be a good film. And I walked

2080
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 10: away seeing I was like, I want to see this again.

2081
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 7: I want other people to see this.

2082
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,679
Speaker 10: I think that it's genuinely one of the best tech,

2083
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 10: you know, story movies that I've seen in a really,

2084
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 10: really long time.

2085
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, really fun.

2086
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,639
Speaker 1: It seems like they ride the line between really interesting,

2087
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 1: like almost like a characterature of these of these people,

2088
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 1: but it's it's done in a way that it actually works,

2089
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 1: and it's just it's great, So go see it. The

2090
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:39,720
Speaker 1: movie is BlackBerry and Christina Warren film at Film Underscore

2091
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 1: Girl on Twitter. You can follow everything that you do there.

2092
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me today.

2093
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having me.

2094
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:49,439
Speaker 1: All Right, the movie again, BlackBerry got to see it.

2095
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:52,160
Speaker 1: Remember and tell me what your favorite BlackBerry was at

2096
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 1: me on Twitter, at rich on Tech or just BBM

2097
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 1: me here's my pin. Just kidding, don't have that anymore?

2098
01:43:58,439 --> 01:43:58,760
Speaker 2: All right?

2099
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I guess we're almost at the end of

2100
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:03,680
Speaker 1: the show. Coming up, we're going to do feedback, one

2101
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 1: of your favorite segments right here on rich On Tech.

2102
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:07,479
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

2103
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:23,719
Speaker 1: Welcome back to rich on Tech, closing out the show

2104
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 1: Man three hours. If you want three hours to go

2105
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:29,720
Speaker 1: by really fast, just do a radio show. I mean,

2106
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:34,919
Speaker 1: it's just speed time. I literally come in here equipped

2107
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 1: with about one hundred things I want to tell you about,

2108
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:39,960
Speaker 1: and I leave with about ten every week that I

2109
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:42,640
Speaker 1: just well may much more than ten. Anyway, let me

2110
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 1: get through a couple of things before we get to

2111
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 1: the feedback segment. Apple this week showed off a couple

2112
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 1: of new features designed for folks with disabilities that will

2113
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 1: be coming later this year, and some of them are

2114
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 1: really interesting. Assistive Access This is a new experience on

2115
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:03,040
Speaker 1: the eye iPhone and iPad that makes everything very simple.

2116
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 1: So they say it distills the iPhone and iPad apps

2117
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:10,639
Speaker 1: just so their essential features in order to lighten cognitive load.

2118
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:14,960
Speaker 1: So it's a very simple to understand screen, home screen,

2119
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:16,840
Speaker 1: and then when you go into the apps, everything is

2120
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: just one or two big buttons that are very easy

2121
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 1: to use. So that's going to be a very popular

2122
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 1: feature for a lot of folks out there. Then there's

2123
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 1: something called live speech and personal voice. So personal voice

2124
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:33,639
Speaker 1: you probably heard about in the news. Live speech users

2125
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 1: can type whatever they want and have it spoken out loud.

2126
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:38,760
Speaker 1: There's been many apps that can do that in the past,

2127
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 1: but now that it's built in, that's going to be

2128
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:42,960
Speaker 1: very handy. But they take it to the next level.

2129
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:47,680
Speaker 1: You can spend fifteen minutes on the iPhone recording different phrases,

2130
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 1: and then the iPhone will use AI to make a

2131
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:55,719
Speaker 1: model of your voice, so now your phone can speak

2132
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 1: out loud in your voice.

2133
01:45:58,640 --> 01:45:59,599
Speaker 2: Now, before you get into.

2134
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:02,280
Speaker 1: The whole lot that's scary and AI and all this stuff,

2135
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 1: this is really aimed at folks who may be at

2136
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:09,200
Speaker 1: risk of losing their speech because of some sort of

2137
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:14,760
Speaker 1: medical diagnosis like als, so imagine, and it's very sad

2138
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:17,640
Speaker 1: to even think about that, But imagine that's happening to

2139
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 1: a loved one and you can have them record their

2140
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 1: voice and now they can use this live speech to

2141
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 1: actually sound like them. I know it's never going to

2142
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 1: be them, but it's the closest thing we can get

2143
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 1: things to technology, and Apple says it's all happening on

2144
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 1: the phone and it's secure in private. Then there's this

2145
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 1: point and speak feature. This is for users who are

2146
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 1: blind or low vision. This is built into the Magnifier app.

2147
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 1: You can point to something like some sort of physical

2148
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 1: object like a microwave, and it will read out loud

2149
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 1: what is on there, So like if a button is

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Speaker 1: labeled or something, it'll say, you know, thirty seconds popcorn

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Speaker 1: or one, two, three, whatever it is. These are all

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Speaker 1: coming later this year. They're not going to be on

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Speaker 1: your phone just yet, but I figured i'd tell you

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Speaker 1: about those because it's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 2: What they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Tsa testing facial recognition. So instead of the officer looking

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Speaker 1: at your ID and comparing it against your face, the

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Speaker 1: facial recognition will compare the two. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: the airports, you just kind of slide your ID into

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Speaker 1: a reader and then it tells you, you know, it

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Speaker 1: tells the officer that you're on that flight or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You can go through the checkpoint. But this will actually

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Speaker 1: take it a step further. You stand in front of

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Speaker 1: an iPad and it will compare the photo on your

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Speaker 1: ID to you standing there. Testing this at sixteen airports Baltimore, DC, Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Denver, Detroit,

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, Orlando, Phoenix, Salt Lake City,

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Speaker 1: San Jose, and a couple in Mississippi. I could have

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Speaker 1: sworn I saw it at the Austin Airport when I

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Speaker 1: was going through there, but it wasn't in my line.

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Speaker 2: But you have the option of saying no if you're

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Speaker 2: worried about privacy.

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Speaker 1: But they're trying to make checkpoints faster sead of having

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Speaker 1: human compare the IDs. It's going to be an algorithm,

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Speaker 1: so coming soon. Don't be surprised if you see it.

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Speaker 1: Feedback time, schw says hello. Concerning smart plugs, I ran

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Speaker 1: into a problem that could be a lot of problems

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Speaker 1: for people out there.

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Speaker 2: We were out of town.

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Speaker 1: My smart plugs lost Wi Fi. I was able to

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Speaker 1: remotely verify that my WiFi and router were okay, because

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Speaker 1: my camera was still working. I expected these smart plugs

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Speaker 1: would be smart enough to reconnect to Wi Fi, but

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Speaker 1: they never did. When we got home, I had to

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Speaker 1: unplug and replug all the smart plugs back in, and

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Speaker 1: they reconnected. They're made by feet Fit Electric. I contacted them.

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Speaker 1: They said, nope, the only thing you could do is

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Speaker 1: unplug them and plug them back in. But this doesn't

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Speaker 1: work if you're out of town. They were used to

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Speaker 1: control lamps, so when I came home they were all on.

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Speaker 1: As a workaround, I put the smart plug into a

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Speaker 1: digital timer that powers off and back on every twenty

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Speaker 1: four seconds to reset the plug. And he thoughts, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not all smart things are made equally, and when you

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Speaker 1: leave the house, that's when these things to act up.

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Speaker 1: Every single time. Ken says, hey, did you hear me

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Speaker 1: on your last show yelling at my phone? The guy

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Speaker 1: with the ten thousand MP three files? He could have

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Speaker 1: installed Plex or Mby or Jellyfinn to stream his music.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure uploading to YouTube music is not free.

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Speaker 1: I believe it is, but those are good suggestions.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Neil says, hey, interesting session last week. The record brings

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Speaker 1: back memories unfortunately memories of noise even in the silent

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Speaker 1: places between songs. Also, they had record changers, which would

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Speaker 1: allow you to stack up several records and it would

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Speaker 1: move from one to the next. Hopefully, since we're making

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Speaker 1: a comeback, someone will figure out how to make a

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Speaker 1: record that doesn't have clicks and pops every time you

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Speaker 1: try to play it. Keep it coming, Neil. Let's see,

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Speaker 1: Gary says Carol Stream, Illinois. Isn't this the place you

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Speaker 1: were talking about today? Billing centers for AT and T

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Speaker 1: and credit cards were located there. Those who pay by

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Speaker 1: check would mail their payment.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it was.

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Speaker 1: Mailed a lot of payments to Carol Stream. They got

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Speaker 1: lots of my money. Mark says that record player in

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Speaker 1: your hotel is a basic model. Since the earliest days,

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Speaker 1: most had an automatic feature where the tone arm would

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Speaker 1: return back to the rest position once the last song plays.

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Speaker 1: The best record players can also automatically move and lower

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Speaker 1: the tone arm onto the starting track with the press

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Speaker 1: of a button. Such features existed even sixty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yours was a basic model. Yes it was, Mark, but

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Speaker 1: I still loved it. The record player.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do? It for this episode of the show

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Speaker 1: three hours gone by. Like that next week, I am

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01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:32,480
Speaker 1: getting turned into a hologram. I'll tell you about that experience.

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Speaker 1: And check out the show notes. I put them at

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Speaker 1: richon tech dot tv. This is show number twenty, so

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Speaker 1: show number twenty. If you go to the website, let's

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Speaker 1: see how it's labeled here.

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01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 2: Let me see.

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01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 1: You can either look at rich on Tech Radio show

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01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 1: wiki or rich on Tech Radio Show twenty and you

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01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: should see notes for everything I mentioned here. I took

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01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 1: do very good notes like a little transcriptionist over here.

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Speaker 1: So I've got links to everything I mentioned, including that

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01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,840
Speaker 1: free TV which I know you want. You can find

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Speaker 1: me on social media. I am at rich on Tech

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01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram, I'm on Twitter, I'm on Facebook. Find

2242
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 1: me there, chat with me, Engage with the show, and

2243
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 1: tell your friends about this show. By the way, that's

2244
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,639
Speaker 1: the only way we're going to really grow this show.

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01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 1: I know you want to keep it to yourself, you

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01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,280
Speaker 1: want to keep it a secret, all this good technoledge,

2247
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:21,960
Speaker 1: but please share it with your friends. Share it on

2248
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 1: social media, say hey, this is what I'm listening to.

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01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 1: Just let people know, all right, my name is Richardimiro,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for listening. I know there are so

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Speaker 1: many ways you can spend your time. I do appreciate

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01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 1: you spending it right here with me. Thanks to everyone

2253
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 1: who makes this show possible. I will talk to you

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Speaker 1: real soon