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Why work out thousands of dollars 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: to a private eye when you can do the job yourself. 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: Go to truth finder dot com, slash Nancy and enter 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: any name to get started. Crime stories with Nancy Grace 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: on Serious Exim Triumph Channel one thirty two. Guilty. That 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: is what a jury says about quote America's funny man, 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: not so funny anymore, Old Cosby. But the outrage right 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: now is not only is this guy convicted essentially of rape, 16 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: he's still walking free. Hello. I have tried I don't 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: even know how many cases. I've tried over a hundred 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: and investigated and prosecuted literally close to ten thousand cases. 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: I have never once ever seen a defendant convicted of 20 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: a rape or aggravated sexual assault or battery. And when 21 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: it's not done, they don't get fingerprint, handcuffed and let 22 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: out in the back door to j A, I L jail. 23 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: Why is he at home on his comfy sofa with 24 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: his wife having a personal schief make him up a 25 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: low fat omelet this morning? What's happening? I'm Nancy Grace, 26 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, 27 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: and I want justice. I don't want to rebber stamp 28 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: on the jury verdict. I want this guy in jail 29 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: like every other rapist is straight out to Alexis res Chuck, 30 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 1: investigative reporter with Radar Online dot Com. First of all, 31 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: let's start at the very beginning. Let's take a listen 32 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: to our friend and colleague. You know what, she's an 33 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: acquired taste. I'll give you that much, Gloria already. First 34 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: of all, I want to thank the jury. Justice has 35 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: been done and we're very, very happy and proud of 36 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: this result. Beginning in late two thousand and fourteen, we 37 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: beg the accusers of Mr Cosby, whom I represented, began 38 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: to speak out. It took a great deal of courage. 39 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: In the beginning, many were not believed we are so 40 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: happy that finally we can say women are believed, and 41 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: not only on hashtag me too, but in a court 42 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: of law where they were under oath, where they testify truthfully, 43 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: where they were attacked, where they were smeared, where they 44 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: were denigraded, where they there were attempts to discredit them. 45 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: And after all is said and done, women were finally believed. 46 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: And we thanked the jury so much for that. And 47 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: they were believed after the prosecution met their high standard 48 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: of having to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and 49 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: the jury in this second criminal trial found that they 50 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: believed women. And I'm the happiest I have been about 51 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: any court decision in forty two years. Guys. That, guys, 52 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 1: that's saying a lot for Gloria already to actually say 53 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: she's happy, because you know, I know Gloria. I love Gloria, 54 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: but I don't see her happy that much. She's always 55 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: on a mission. And to hear her say I'm happy, 56 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: that takes a lot. What I still don't get is 57 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: why this guy, Bill Cosby, multi multi millionaire, is at 58 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: his luxury town home right now, kicked back instead of 59 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: in jail. Let's start at the beginning Alexis to rest Chuck, 60 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Radar online dot com. What's happening Alexis so 61 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby was found guilty by a jury, guilty on 62 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: three ounts of sexual assault, assaulting Andrea Conston with intent 63 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: to harm by drugging her. This was not something that 64 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: was a spur of the moment violent attack. This is 65 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: something that he had plotted and planned. He had to 66 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: get the drugs and slip them to her and attack her. 67 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: So this jury, second jury, first one was a mistrial 68 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: because they could not agree on it was a injury. 69 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: This jury came back with a guilty verdict in one day. 70 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: They deliberated for one day. They told the judge this 71 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: guy is guilty. There was no hemming and hawing. We 72 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: wasn't fifteen days back and forth. And they had one 73 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: question for the judge. They wanted to know the definition 74 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: of consent and that is what they found him guilty of, 75 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: that she could not consent to the assault. Joining me 76 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: also with Alexis tos Chuck with Writer online dot com. 77 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, Atlanta juvenal judge, lawyer, advocate and founder of 78 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: child Crime Watch dot com. Renowned psychoanalysts out of l A. Dr. 79 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall and high profile lawyer out of Seattle and Bremner. 80 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: You know, Ashley, the defense is still on the attack, 81 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: and I get what they're doing. They're still attacking these women. 82 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: They're going on all sorts of talk shows and media 83 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: outlets that can't dad to Cosby, So the next best 84 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: thing are as lawyers, and they're still attacking the victims. Now, 85 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: his conviction on aggravated indecent assault is after a very 86 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 1: unique set of facts, Okay, a sealed civil deposition that 87 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: came open. In that deposition, he admits to using kludes. 88 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: As I understand it, he had a mistrial to his 89 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: benefit in the first case. Now let me understand at 90 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 1: this juncture, actually, why is he still his lawyers going 91 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: on TV and trashing the victims. I think there are 92 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 1: two reasons. I think number one, Nancy, is because they're 93 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: going to set this up for an appeal, and of 94 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: course trashing the victims doesn't do anything for appeal. Appeal 95 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: is about what happened at court. But I think they're 96 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: absolutely going to appeal these verdicts. The second thing is, 97 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: this is a man whose reputation is the most important 98 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: thing to him. I think he would lie, cheat and 99 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: steal to protect his reputation. And so he's six his 100 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: lawyers on continue to go after the victims because they're wrong. 101 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: I'm right, because it's his reputation. We'll tell you what 102 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna go for, and Bremner, along with Ashley, will 103 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,119 Speaker 1: cut both lawyers and where they're going to go after 104 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: is the fact that similar transactions, as we call them 105 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: in the law were brought in. What does that mean? 106 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: That means that, while Cosby was not being tried, was 107 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: not on trial for other alleged rapes, some of those 108 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: cases came in at this trial where Andrew Constant was 109 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: the victim. Why because their fingerprint crimes. He says, I 110 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: want to help you on your career. Come out to 111 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: my hotel room. We'll be fine. Let me call my wife. Here, 112 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: have this pill, will relax you. You You feel bad, you 113 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: feel anxious, you got a minstrel cramp. Here, have this. Bam. 114 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: They're out because it was um like a roofie. The 115 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: next thing you know, they wake up. They have been molested. 116 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: Same m O over and over, right down to the housecoat, 117 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: the robe, the plush robe. He wear with a hat 118 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: every time. It's gross. So the point is and that 119 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,679 Speaker 1: those cases similar tend to prove the case in chief. 120 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: That's the only way that kind of evidence can come 121 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: in and and that's what the defense is going to 122 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: attack exactly, Nancy. And it's it's called same tan, similar 123 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: transaction or common schemer plan. Sometimes with respect to identity, 124 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: they call it like the mark of Zoro, but you 125 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: almost have here is so similar identical in terms of 126 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: the way he acted in every one of these cases. 127 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: And it also goes to lack of ur intentant, lack 128 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: of mistake, motive, etcetera. That's exactly what they're gonna go after. 129 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: They're gonna say, you know, he was basically tried in 130 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: other cases that weren't proved beyond a reasonable doubt, and 131 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: that was unfair in this instance because it should have 132 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: been a trial only relating to this victim. But I 133 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: don't know how far they'll get with that, Nancy. I 134 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: just think that you know, this has been litigated at 135 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: length in the first trial, and also here he has 136 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: one of the best lawyers out there, Tom Mazzarro, and 137 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: I think you and i've both seen him in court 138 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: and Michael Jacksons, and also in the Blake case, and 139 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: and he's very able. So but the other interesting thing 140 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: is with the judge let him out on bail. You 141 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: have to wonder does the judge think he has a 142 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: good appeal. I don't know. Well, as a matter of fact, 143 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: let's take a listen to Tom Meserro, defense attorney for 144 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, who showed up in court in his pajamas. 145 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: Meserro still wanted the case. Uh represented Robert Blake who 146 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: totally murdered his wife. Got it not guilty on him too. 147 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: Didn't work with Cosby. Listened to Mesero. We are we 148 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: are very disappointed by the verdict. We don't think Mr 149 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: Cosby is guilty of anything. And the fight is not over. 150 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: Thank you. Yes, yes, yes, very strongly. Be prepared to 151 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: go to prison, wor prepared to prison. That was tom 152 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: Meserro thinking he could work his usual charm and magic 153 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: on this Jory. Well, it didn't work. To Dr Bethany Marshall, 154 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst out of l A. Dr Bethany Now the 155 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: morning after in the sour grapes the defense are chewing 156 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: on right now, they're whining that it was an unfair trial. 157 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: And then it's because of the Me Too movement all 158 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: the women coming forward right now claiming that they have 159 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: been assaulted or rape. Frankly, I'm pretty sure most of 160 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: them had, Okay, because the reality is that about one 161 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: in four women around you have been assaulted. They may 162 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: not talk about it, they may not mention it, but 163 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: trust me, it's happened. Okay. I hope that doesn't happen 164 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: with my daughter Lucy. But long story short, I mean 165 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: they're pointing the finger everywhere except too at the person 166 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: that deserves to have the finger pointed, and that's Cosby, 167 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: that piece of craft, exactly, except towards Bill Cosby with 168 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: his plush robe. And as hat you know, I was 169 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: reading research last night and I thought this is interesting. 170 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: All when you take all rape victims who come forward, 171 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: only two to four percent are more lingering or making 172 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: up the story. So the vast majority of women who 173 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: are brave enough to come forward are not making up 174 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: the details of their assault. They are telling the truth. 175 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: And it's true. Me Too may have a bit of 176 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: an overcorrective measure on society, but we need an overcorrection. 177 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: The jury is voting the conscience of how we feel 178 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: in the United States. Now the jury feels how we feel. 179 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: These women were not only victimized by Cosby when he 180 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: uh when he gave them medication, gave them clay ludes, roofies, 181 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: and then rape them. They are continuing to be violated 182 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: by him, through his attorney, through his publicists. It's like 183 00:11:55,679 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: the abuse never stops something that has just happened. Gloria 184 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: Alread was at an event. Alread, who has represented a 185 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: lot of these women civilly against Cosby. She was at 186 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: the Daytime Emmy Awards and she called out Bill Cosby. Guilty, guilty, guilty, 187 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: and everybody started booing her. Why are they booing her? 188 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: This guy is rapist. You know what. Let it happen 189 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: to your daughter, then fix yourself to get up there 190 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: and start booing her. I don't get it now this 191 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: as we are getting reports that Cosby is quote mentally 192 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: preparing himself for jail. What he should have been preparing 193 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: himself for jail the first time he raped somebody. Dr 194 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, what about that? It speaks to the fact 195 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: that he does not think he did anything wrong. He's 196 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: never mentally prepared himself for jail. Those are just words 197 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: from his handlers. You know, he actually snickered in court. 198 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: That's what I find so surprising. He laughed as if 199 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: he thought the proceedings were funny. He's never really been 200 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: called to task for any of his bad acts. I 201 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: even think going through the first um trial for him 202 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: felt like he was on stage getting the attention again. 203 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: And that's so typical of people who have a criminal 204 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: mindset that they confuse the court proceedings with being back 205 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: in the center of attention again. So I think for 206 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: someone like this, there's no way to prepare for jail. 207 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: He's not going to realize he's going to jail until 208 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: he's actually behind bars. That's when it's going to hit him. 209 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: You know what, for those of you that don't believe 210 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: this guy is guilty, I can't even imagine who that is. 211 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: You must have been living under a rock ran a cave. 212 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: Take a listen to supermodel Janice Dickinson describe what happened 213 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: to her. This is her talking with me only I 214 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: can't breathe because of Bill Cosby. What do you mean? 215 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: I can't breathe because I haven't slept in weeks and uh, 216 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, I just you know, you know, with everything 217 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: that's going on, I haven't been able to breathe. Like 218 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: the whole nation is doing right now protesting. I am 219 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: protesting because of the unresolved issues due to rape from 220 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby. I'm just starting to exhale and and i 221 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: will say this, you know, I I sabbed all weekend, 222 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: not just for me, for what's going on with these 223 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: other women. I'm in huge gratitude to the Los Angeles 224 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: Police Department. 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Okay, it is, and I want every 251 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: woman out there to please hear my words. We've got 252 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: to stop this man. People can't doing it. Bill Cosby 253 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: quote America's dad, It's not my daddy. Mm hmmm. I 254 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: don't even like him putting in that phrase. Convicted on 255 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: three accounts of agassault, and what I want to know 256 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: this morning is why the defense is still on a 257 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: vendetta against the victims, trashing them on every news media 258 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: outlet possible. And he is sitting at home on a 259 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: pillow right now, wearing his beloved Vlure House Road, probably 260 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: having a cigarette with his personal chef, making him an omelet. 261 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: Why is that happening? And now to Am Brymner, high 262 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: profile Seattle lawyer, why am I hearing that he will 263 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: likely stay under house arrest while his case goes up 264 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 1: on appeal. That's called an appeal bond. Why isn't he 265 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: going to jail? Well, he should be treated like everybody else, 266 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: I mean the criminal justice system. We're all supposedly created equal, 267 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: especially in court, like we learned and to Kill a 268 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: Mockingbird in the Final Arguments and that excellent book. But 269 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: the fact is, remember what the judge said, Nancy, when 270 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: the prosecutor said, I want to have the bill revoked, 271 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: right when the convictions came in, and then judge said, 272 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: you knew were asked for this before Cosby shown up 273 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: for every single hearing, and the judge basically said, look 274 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: at his age and look at his health. I'm going 275 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: to continue him on the existing bond. And that tells 276 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: you everything on an appeal, it's going to be the same. 277 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: Should he be in jail yes, Should he have walked 278 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: out the back door in handcuffs, yes, that would have 279 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: happened in my jurisdiction, almost every jurisdiction. And I think, 280 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: is he different because of his celebrity, his celebrity justice 281 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: and oxy moron. I mean, it's very upsetting to watch this. 282 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: I'm really upset. And I have represented so many rape 283 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: and molestation victims. It's been long, long overdue, and this 284 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: catch this to Dr Bethany, Dr Bethany Marshall l a psychoanalyst. 285 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, when he was being interviewed, he actually says, 286 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: I think back to the time when Camille and I 287 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: went to visit Nelson Mandela. He was a free man. 288 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: But when we met him at Rhode Island, where he 289 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: had been in prison for all those years, I sat 290 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: in that cell where he lived, I saw he's comparing 291 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: himself to Nelson Mandela. He was a freedom fighter. What 292 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: as he lost his mind? That's what we call grandiosity, Nancy. 293 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: And you know, you know what that phrase does for me. 294 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: It just underscores Bill Cosby. Cosby's criminal mindset, because that 295 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: is such a core piece of criminality. They all think 296 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: they're God, they all think that they're martyrs in prison, 297 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: and that they have been misunderstood. And just as he 298 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: tried to seduce his victims, he's trying to seduce the 299 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: public into believing things about him. This is how vast 300 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: his his offending pattern is. And I want to go 301 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: back to his team, who's trash talking the victims in 302 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: ways he's turned them into perpetrators too. He's a perpetrator. 303 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: The people on his team are now perpetrators, continuing to 304 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: put down women who have been vindicated. No, this is 305 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: absolutely no Nelson Mandela, I'm just sick about it. Alexis 306 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: Terrez Chuck, Now, I'm furious with the judge, as Montgomery 307 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: County Judge Stephen T. One Hill, who did not remand 308 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: Cosby to jail and refuse to revoke his million dollar 309 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: bail despite the prosecution begging for that revocation. Quote, I'm 310 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: not simply going to lock him up right now, O'Neill says, 311 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: why why not? He's been convicted, and not only was 312 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: he convicted, the prosecution asked when they were saying to 313 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: the judge, he has a flight risk. This man has 314 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars, he has access to a 315 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: private They said he has a private plane. Cosby yells 316 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: out in the courtroom, using the third person. He says, 317 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: he does not have a private plane. Asshole to a 318 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: judge after you've been convicted of a crime, And what 319 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: does the judge do? Nothing? He lets him say that 320 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: if any other person had screamed out and called the 321 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: judge a word, they would have been hauled off to 322 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: jail on that moment. But not Bill Cosby. He got out. 323 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: There was such an outcry about how cushy it was. 324 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: You know, he'd been carrying this cane and looking so 325 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: feeble every day that he walked into court pretending he 326 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: was blind. He walked out of court holding that cane 327 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: in the air like a victory symbol, proving that he 328 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: was lying the entire time. I know it. Did you 329 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: notice that Ashley Willcott Ashley Willcot with me, Atlanta genital 330 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: judge and lawyer, founder of child crime watch dot com. 331 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: Ashley not only that, I've watched him walking up and 332 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: down the steps to his private plane, the one he 333 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: said he didn't have, uh and he doesn't have anybody 334 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: helping him yeah, liar, liar, pants on fire, right, So 335 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. I think the ego is 336 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: definitely an aspect of Bill Cosby that's causing him to 337 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: say these things. But keep this in mind too, Nancy. 338 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: This is what bothers me, all right. He has means 339 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: that many defendants don't have, and that's what concerns me 340 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: if he's out on bond and others in similar circumstances 341 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: in this particular jurisdiction wrongly let these defendants out on bond. 342 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: The issue is, even if he doesn't own a private plane, 343 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: guess what, he sure can access one, he can rent one, 344 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: he can lease one. He has got the financial resources 345 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: to disappear. I'm just sick right now of Steve and 346 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: t O'Neill, the so called judge who seems to me 347 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: to be complicit with Bill Cosby. These women, over sixty 348 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: six zero of them claimed to have been raped and 349 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: or molested by Bill Cosby, and now they're getting raped 350 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: in the court system because O'Neill, this judge will not, 351 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: even after a jury finds Cosby guilty, will not send 352 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: him to jail. Listen to lease lot Lubin describing to 353 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: Dr Field how after luring her to his hotel, Cosby 354 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: drugged her with a drink. The year was the owner 355 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: of the modeling agency I worked for Old Me and 356 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: said that Bill Cosby would like to meet with me. 357 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: I was very excited to go and see him. I 358 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: was starstruck. I felt invincible. I couldn't believe that he 359 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: wanted to see me. I got to the hotel. He 360 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: was a gentleman, and he was respectful and kind, and 361 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: he seemed very interested in me, and that made me 362 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: feel very secure in seeing him again. He was the 363 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: jellow pudding man. He was everyone's dad. The next time 364 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: that we met, I had asked if my mother and 365 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: sister could join us, and he said yes, So we 366 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: all went up to the Elvis suite. We had a 367 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: great time, we took pictures. My mother trusted Bill completely, 368 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: but Lisa claims he ended up betraying that trust. During 369 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: a mentoring session in his hotel suite, Bill Cosby called 370 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: me out of the blue and he said, can you 371 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: come by and see me? And I was like, of course, 372 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: And I went up to his hotel and I was alone, 373 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: and he talked about let me see what type of 374 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 1: acting skills you have. I want you to improv, and 375 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: as I tried to do improv, he fixed a drink 376 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: and then he brought it to me. It was a 377 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: brown liquid and it looked like a shot. I told 378 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: him I didn't drink. He said that this was going 379 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: to relax me so that the lines would flow out 380 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: a lot easier. So I did drink it. He made 381 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: a second drink and add me drink the second drink 382 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: as well. I noticed myself getting a little dizzy. Bill 383 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: had sat down on the edge of the couch. He said, 384 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: come over here and have a seat. He had his 385 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: legs open, and when I sat down, I was sitting 386 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: down in between his legs with my back to his crotch. 387 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: He started to stroke my hair back in a petting 388 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: motion like this. The last things I remember is just 389 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: feeling the strokes on my head. After of that, I 390 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: don't remember anything else. We Lisa has not spoken publicly 391 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: about her allegations and is coming forward for the first 392 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: time right now, this minute today. How do you feel 393 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: about coming out and talking about this right now, right here. 394 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: I was not interested in talking about it out loud. 395 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: One of my close friends, who is a detective in 396 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: Raleigh Catherine, she told me to file a report. I 397 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: wanted the police to be able to just confront him 398 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: and let him know that I know he did something wrong. 399 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: You know, if you we're on the witness stand, and 400 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: this is part of your point about not filing the report, 401 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: not filing charges, you don't really know what happened. Do 402 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: you know if he raped you? Do you know if 403 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: if he molested you in some way? Do you know? 404 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: You don't really know what did happen? You know what 405 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: to alexis Arrest, Chuck Right or online dot com. There 406 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: are so many women over sixty of them climbing they've 407 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: been raped. What's the hold up with this judge? This 408 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: judge has been under fire this entire second trial. You know, 409 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: the defense called him out saying that his wife was 410 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: an advocate for sexual assault victims and that he should 411 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: refuse himself, and he said, oh no, I can be 412 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: completely independent. So I think that gave people hope that 413 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: he wasn't going to back down, that he was on 414 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: the side of the victims. But then he turns around 415 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: and doesn't give him any jail time. So people are 416 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: wondering if perhaps he really was hiding the way that 417 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: he felt, and he showed his true colors by not 418 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: putting Bill Cosby in jail. So what he did is 419 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: the verdict was Thursday. Then the very next day he 420 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: had to issue another order saying, oh, maybe I didn't 421 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: make it clear in court that Bill Cosby has to 422 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: stay in his house. Arrest can sometimes mean you can 423 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: go out he get prior permission, but he says that 424 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby has to stay in the house. The meetings 425 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: have to come to him unless it's an emergency. He 426 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: has to live. So he's maybe trying to wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, 427 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: how how is that correcting anything? High profile lawyer and 428 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: brimmer out of Seattle house arrested. He lives in a 429 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: mansion with a personal chef. Everybody always comes to him. 430 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: Why is that? Why is that a punishment? Well exactly, 431 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to live like But the fact is, 432 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, this judge maybe he's trying to like lean 433 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: the other way, you know, to show that he's not biased. 434 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think everyone's scratching their heads, 435 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: especially lawyers and especially advocates like you, Nancy Um that 436 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: that handle cases with great victims. I represent a victim 437 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: of Bill Cosby right here in Seattle. She's number sixty one. 438 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: She's not even part of this case. The statute is 439 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: run out here long ago in Washington on criminal and civil. 440 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: And you know she was a model um. He groomed 441 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: her parents from a small town. He offered to pay 442 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: for part of her schooling, He offered to speak of 443 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: her situation. This story goes on and on and on, 444 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: and it's just appalling that this judge can't look around 445 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: the horizon of the Bill Cosby devastations and say enough already, 446 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: he's going to jail. What do we know about the 447 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: judge out to Alexa to rust Chuck, What can you 448 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: tell me about this guy? I mean, I know a 449 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: little bit. I know. His name is Judge Stephen T. O'Neill. 450 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: He was presiding judge at Cosby's first trial where there 451 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: was a mistrial. And by the way, there's a hung 452 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: jury is a mistrial. That means the first trial is 453 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: a boarded. It can happen for a number of reasons. 454 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: Hung jury means they can't reach a verdict. There could 455 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: be an error in court. I remember I was trying 456 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: a guy one time for um child rape and he 457 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: was running a child prostitution ring and I called him 458 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: a pimp an opening statements, I got a mistrial in 459 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: my opening statement, Well don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. 460 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: We let that jury go. I took I grabbed the 461 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: lead detective by the ear and dragged him down to 462 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: the grand jury and I said, don't move. The grand 463 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: jury was in process. I took him in there and 464 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: I had another I re indiced at him and had 465 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: a pimp charge added. We struck the jury again that 466 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: Thursday and he got convicted. So, long story short, hung 467 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: jury can happen for a number of reasons. This is 468 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: the same judge that sat on that jury as well. 469 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: He was appointed in two thousand two by a Republican 470 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: governor in Montgomery County. He was elected to a ten 471 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: year term in two thousand four. Why alexis Tourez, Chuck Ashley, Willcott, 472 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall and Bremner? Why is he not throwing 473 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: Cosby in jail? Alexis? What do you know? One of 474 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: the things that we know when we cover these celebrity 475 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: trials is these judges are really savvy. It's not the 476 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: same crime in any way, shape or for him. But 477 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: when Teresa Judaics from the Real Housewives of New Jersey 478 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: was and on trial, the judge said, you know, I 479 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: know about your life. I have read this, I've watched 480 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: you on television. I know that things are not adding 481 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: up here. Same with Abby Lee Milor from Dance Moms. 482 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: That judge said, I was watching TV last night and 483 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: I saw you on a commercial. There's no way you're bankrupt. 484 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: So how is this judge not knowing? The cover of 485 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: New Yorker magazine had forty three women on it. There 486 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: is no way that this judge doesn't know about Bill 487 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: Cosby's criminal past, and that he should have been much 488 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: more aware of the tricks had been pulled and they tried. 489 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: During this entire trial, there was a report that one 490 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: of the jurors had said told a group, oh, I 491 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: believe he's guilty. Don't we all believe he's guilty. The 492 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: judge brought people in, questioned him, let him go. That 493 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: juror was still on this jury. So people really felt 494 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: like all along that this judge at the time, they 495 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: thought that he was very pro prosecution. Now people are 496 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: thinking that he was handing Cosby's team an appeal right 497 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: now everyone asking why this judge refuses to send Bill 498 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: Cosby America's dad. I said that it tasted like a 499 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: dirt sandwich. America's funny man also tasted like a dirt 500 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: sandwich to jail. When the guilty art it was announced 501 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: in court for quote America's funny Man Bill Cosby, the 502 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: victims ran out of the courtroom, bending over in half 503 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: in tears. Why listen to Janice Baker Kenny. I began 504 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: living in Reno and working at Harris sometime around the 505 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: summer of nine eighty. I worked my way up from 506 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: Keno runner to cocktail waitress to bar back, and then 507 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: I began bartending at Harris in October. I worked predominantly 508 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: in one of the showrooms and was often acquainted with 509 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: many of the performers. Many of the bands performing and 510 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: the smaller show room were booked for two weeks at 511 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: a time, and the headlining acts were there for approximately 512 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,239 Speaker 1: one week. It was not unusual to get to know 513 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: the performers and for them to get to know the 514 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: regular staff that worked the shows, since these acts were 515 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: sometimes booked more than once a year. When the headliners 516 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: were booked at Harris, I recall that they had the 517 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: option of staying at the hotel, in a penthouse suite, 518 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: or a home owned by Harris. I know Mr Cosby 519 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: chose to stay at the house because that is where 520 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: I was sexually assaulted by him in May of n 521 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: I had been at that house a couple of times 522 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: previous to that night, invited there for after show parties. 523 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: I remember going to one party hosted by Wayne Newton 524 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: and it wasn't out of the ordinary. So when a 525 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: friend said that Bill Cosby invited her to the house 526 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: for a pizza party, I didn't think it was strange 527 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: and I agreed to meet her there. I did, however, 528 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: think it was strange when I arrived and my friend 529 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: Judy was ringing the front door belt holding the pizza. 530 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: When I joined her at the front door and Bill 531 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: Cosby opened the door, it took me a few moments 532 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: to realize that this was a pizza party for just 533 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: three I thought I would have a beer and maybe 534 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: a slice of pizza and hang out for a little 535 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: bit and then be on my way. These are the 536 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: moments that I can remember. Bill Cosby offered me a 537 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: pill and I took one from him. He then told 538 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: me to take two that it would be fine, and 539 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: I guess I thought it must be okay. Bill Cosby 540 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: said it was, so I began to play a game 541 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: of backgammon with Mr Cosby. We were in the kitchen 542 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: or dining room area at that time, and I remember 543 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: telling him this game isn't fair and he asked me why, 544 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: and I said, because I can't see the board anymore. 545 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: And then I passed out. Yeah. I woke up sometime 546 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: later hearing voices and it was my friend Judy leading. 547 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: I was now in the living area on the couch 548 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: with my jeans unzipped and my blouse was open. Bill 549 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: Cosby came and sat down with me on the couch 550 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: and asked me if I was feeling okay. He had 551 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: me leaning against him on the couch while his arm 552 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: was around me, and it was then he put his 553 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: hands inside my open blouse. I remember him then helping 554 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: me up the stairs to a bedroom. I was in 555 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: no condition to leave to drive to say anything. I 556 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: was so humiliated that I had passed out and I 557 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: didn't know what had happened. He had assured me that 558 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: it was okay to take the pills, but obviously it 559 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: was not. I woke up the next morning naked in 560 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: bed with a naked Bill Cosby. He was touching my 561 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: belly and on my genital area. The phone rang and 562 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: it seemed to be a business call, so I got 563 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: dressed and went downstairs to leave. I was mortified at 564 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: what had happened. He came down and met me at 565 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: the front door, and as he opened the door for me, 566 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: he stopped it part of the way before I could 567 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: get out, and he said these exact words, this is 568 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: between you and me, and he put his finger to 569 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: his mouth like a sign. I told him I was 570 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: not planning on alerting the media, and I left. That 571 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: was Janice Baker Kenny speaking at a press conference. I 572 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: don't get it. The women are bent over double outside 573 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: the courthouse and am Bremnor Seattle lawyer. What the judge 574 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: doesn't know that he's not He doesn't watch TV, he 575 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: doesn't read the internet. I don't. I don't get it. 576 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: He doesn't know the pain Cosby has caused. He doesn't 577 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: somehow know about the sixty Wi men that he molested allegedly, 578 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: and he lets his guy go home to his brown 579 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: stone well exactly, And now I was even thinking about 580 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: the Michael Jackson trial with you and I covered Nancy 581 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: at length. Jay Leno one night on TV said he 582 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: had the judge's gavel, and the next morning the judge, 583 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: Judge Meppel said, has anyone seen my gavel? He had 584 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: watched it. It It was about Michael Jackson the night before. 585 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: You know, they see all of this. You know they 586 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: watch all of this. We all know all of this. 587 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: It's in the zeitgeist. It's out there everywhere. I mean, 588 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: anyone that smiths me too, like you said, it's either 589 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: living in a cave or under a rock. He knows 590 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: all of this, and despite all of that, he's basically 591 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: said he can go home. I'm not worried about you. 592 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: You know, you're not a flight risk, etcetera, etcetera. Now 593 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: he talks about his age and he talks about his health. 594 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: Does that mean he's basically say you're gonna be gonna 595 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 1: continue on your bond on appeal, which could take years. 596 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, is he's saying 597 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: he's going to get probation. We have to look ahead. 598 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: Just what he's telegraphed by his words of the other day, 599 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: as the fun smuggers, Old Black man public for salad 600 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: that I hate, canceled t put your parts on black people. 601 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: I was on TV and haighties. I can talk down 602 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,959 Speaker 1: to you without a successful sitcom. Yeah it was great 603 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: women Bill Cosby so kind of raise your downcoming naxious. 604 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: I don't curse on stage, but yeah you're rakings So 605 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: take you, say Bill Cosby himself if you want the rapist. 606 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: I don't know why what I'm doing by telling you, 607 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: I guess one of the at least make it weird 608 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: fu cosmy shore dudes image for the most breaks public 609 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: teugh line image I've done. It's been on stage and 610 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 1: people don't believe people that I'm making it up. I'm 611 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: like Bill a lot of rebilda. No you'll do They 612 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: called me captain kick him out is upset. If you 613 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: didn't know about it, trust you need goog Bill Cosby 614 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: more results than Hannibal Alexis tos Chuck investigative reporter, Radar 615 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: Online dot Com. How many years ago was that? That 616 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: was Hannibal Burrus stand up comedian out right calling Bill 617 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: Cosby a rapist during a stand up And luckily you know, 618 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: somebody cell phone video and it's been out there forever 619 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: it was in. But also, you know, Tina Fay made 620 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: a joke about Bill Cosby being a rapist on thirty Rock. 621 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: Judd Apatow, the comedian, I mean, but also a producer 622 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,800 Speaker 1: of Knocked Up. This is forty. He has been talking 623 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: about this four decades because he said he knew women 624 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: that were personal victims. And I don't even think these 625 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 1: are women that have come forward. So there are more 626 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: than the sixty women that have come forward. And so 627 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: these very powerful people in Hollywood have known this for 628 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: a long time, and they have all subtly put it 629 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: into different things over the years. And it finally took 630 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: this one video of Hannibal Burnus where people just were 631 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: sick of it, and they were just sick of the lies, 632 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: and they finally came forward and it was a watershed. 633 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,720 Speaker 1: One woman to ten you think ten women, no sixty women, 634 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: and it's all over the country and you find out 635 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: it's in you know, so many people knew about it. 636 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: It's in the same fancy vacation home over and over 637 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: and over again. It's the same Sweden, Vegas over and 638 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,399 Speaker 1: over again. It's the same hotel near the university over 639 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: and over again. He had an m O that he 640 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: followed very closely, and women after women fell victims. He 641 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: manipulated their families. Everybody was involved to daughter Bethany Marshall 642 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: l a psychoanalyst. So how can the judge not know? 643 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: How can he look at himself, this judge O'Neill, how 644 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 1: can he look at himself in the mirror and not 645 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,439 Speaker 1: san Cosby to jail? Not only that Nancy, but when 646 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 1: as Alexis put it so beautifully, same hotel room, same 647 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: offending pattern, same manner of grooming the victims, families, same 648 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: types of victims. It goes on and on. How is 649 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby going to stop himself? If he's not in jail, 650 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 1: he's going to be unable. He will be just as 651 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: easily able to offend from his brown Stone, as you 652 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: put it, as he would if he's walking out on 653 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: the streets. It does, A compulsion doesn't stop just because 654 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: the sentence has been handed to well, I mean, but 655 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: think about it. Think about what Alexis was just saying 656 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: to you. Astley Wilcott has Brownstone, That's where some of 657 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: the alleged rapes occurred. And you know, the horrific thing 658 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: and all of this is that I think the judge 659 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: has an um an approach, right because I'm on the 660 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: bench of it's not a big deal. I mean, it's 661 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: horrific that a judge is acting in a way that, 662 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: to me sends the message to all victims all over 663 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: the world. Hey, so somebody can be convicted of this 664 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: and it's okay. They can still go home. They have 665 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: you know, he's older, he has health issues. It's fine, 666 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: he can go home. It's not a big deal. I mean, 667 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: that's what's really frightening in this case. The other thing 668 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: is he put them on ankle monitor. So what I 669 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: have that as a sentencing option. Ankle monitor doesn't mean 670 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: a person cannot leave their home. It only means they 671 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,320 Speaker 1: get tracked if they leave their home. Can listen to 672 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby talking to Larry King on CNN about how 673 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 1: Spanish fly could help guys seduce women. I mean, really, 674 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 1: Spanish fly was the thing that all boys at from 675 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: age eleven on up to death. We will still be 676 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: searching for Spanish flower. And and what was the old 677 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: The old story was if you took a little drop 678 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 1: it was on the head of the it doesn't make 679 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: it and the girl would drink it, and she's hello American. 680 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: And and you hear laughter in the background, laughter, Dr 681 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. And not only laughter. He references boys age 682 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: eleven to the end of their lives using Spanish fly 683 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: eleven year olds. That gives us insight into the first 684 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: nature of Bill Cosby's mind. Can you imagine an eleven 685 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 1: year old drugging a girl. It's not just the laughter. 686 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: Every aspect of that sound bite or that piece is off. 687 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,320 Speaker 1: It would be interesting to know when Bill Cosby began 688 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: to offend, and it will be interesting to know how 689 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: he continues to offend now that he's remanded to his 690 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,439 Speaker 1: home rather than to a jail. He will offend. He'll 691 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: pick up the phone, he'll bring in an assistant. He'll 692 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,879 Speaker 1: start I'm sure there's somebody on his radar, some young 693 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: woman whose family he's grooming. He's he has a phone, 694 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: he has a cell phone, he has a computer. He 695 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: will continue to stalk them. It is not going to 696 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,479 Speaker 1: stop just because the verdict has been handed down. Judge 697 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: Steven O'Neil allowing Bill Cosby to remain free on a 698 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: million dollar bond until his sentencing. A sentencing date has 699 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: not been announced as of right now. Now, under the 700 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: law it's supposed to happen within ninety days of conviction. Now, 701 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: if all the parties agree, it can happen after that. 702 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: But why are we waiting three more months? The next 703 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 1: legal battle will be at the sentencing. Now, if Cosby 704 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: is sentenced to prison, he should go directly behind bars, 705 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: but many people believe his lawyers will argue he should 706 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: be out on bond during the appeal. An appeal bond 707 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: is hardly ever granted. Would you agree with that, Ambremner? Absolutely? 708 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 1: And I mean the fact of the matter is in 709 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: this case, when we look at sentencing, we can use 710 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: concepts like retribution and deterrence and restitution, you know, these 711 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,359 Speaker 1: kinds of things. So why is a judge giving him 712 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: basically a free ride and telegraphing and he's not going 713 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,879 Speaker 1: to look at any of those things at sentencing other 714 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: than the defendant himself and his ill health you know, 715 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,360 Speaker 1: quote unquote, and his age and eight what that the stop? 716 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: The guys in perfect health. He's got access to the 717 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: best doctors in the world, the best, the best medicine, 718 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: the best uh workouts, private massages, private trainers, personal chefs, 719 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,319 Speaker 1: I mean, and the blind thing he can see when 720 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,800 Speaker 1: he wants to, and well, absolutely, and the fact of 721 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: the matter is eighty isn't that old anymore. I'm not 722 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,799 Speaker 1: gonna say it's the new sixty or whatever. He's well 723 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: enough to unzip his aunts, Ashley Willcott exactly to shaneyency 724 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: as always, I was expecting a little more of an 725 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: answer than ye. But hold on, sorry about that. I mean, 726 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: it's it's unfathomable, the number of victims. And I just 727 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 1: go back to I don't think whatever court sentences to 728 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: sentences him too and imposes he's never going to believe 729 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: he did any thing wrong. He is going to reoffend. 730 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: We just heard that from another one of your guests. 731 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,240 Speaker 1: So it's in comment on the court to protect everybody 732 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 1: out there in the world, and the courts failed to 733 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: do that by letting him out. Take a listen to 734 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: Carla Frigno. Now this is the incredible Halt Louffrigno's wife 735 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: speaking to me here on crime stories. And so he 736 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,439 Speaker 1: played first with my date and then guess who won 737 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: bill And he said, okay, well, now I play with Carla. 738 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: Now it's getting on to be around midnight. It's getting late, 739 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,280 Speaker 1: and I picked up the pools que and I'm I'm playing, 740 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 1: and I suddenly I looked up and I said, where 741 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 1: where did your wife go? And he goes, oh, I 742 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: she probably went to bed. I said, oh, okay, and 743 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: then I then I play. I shot another thing and 744 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm doing good at this game. And then I looked 745 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: up and I go, well, where's my date? And he goes, oh, 746 00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,959 Speaker 1: I don't know. He probably went to the bathroom or something. 747 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: And so he played the game. We did it. He 748 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: beat me and I took my my my, my pool 749 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: queue and it was in my back was to him, 750 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,759 Speaker 1: and I turned around and I put it on the 751 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: table and when I turned back around, he lunched me. 752 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: He just lunched right, I mean just on me. He 753 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: jumped me, and I was in shock, and I I 754 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,240 Speaker 1: pushed him, like with all the strength I had. I tried, 755 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: and then he grabbed me and he kissed me right 756 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: in the mouth, and I just I kicked. I pushed 757 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 1: away from him and I got away from and I 758 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: was like, oh, and I mean it was it was 759 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,280 Speaker 1: so awful. And then I looked up and those eyes 760 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: that he looked, he looked like the devil. He didn't 761 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,600 Speaker 1: look like the fun, happy guy anymore. He looked like 762 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 1: the devil. And I said, I I for a second, 763 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,800 Speaker 1: I go I just I sat there for a second 764 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,800 Speaker 1: and I looked at him, and I was I was 765 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,799 Speaker 1: a tough girl. I grew up, but in those days, 766 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,400 Speaker 1: I was a tough street girl. I knew how to 767 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: take care of myself. And men were always trying to 768 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: molest me my whole life, ever since I was like 769 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 1: five years old. Said I always got away. So I 770 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 1: I took I. I started running down the hallway. He 771 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: lived in a very large house on the flats of 772 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. And I went running down the hallway. And 773 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: just as I'm running down the hallway, who comes out 774 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 1: of a door My date. So I looked at my 775 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 1: date and I said, I'm leaving. I want you to 776 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: take me home now, right now. And he did and 777 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: I I never even talked to him about it. I 778 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: just went completely silent, got in the car. He took 779 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,320 Speaker 1: me and dropped me off and that was that. So 780 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: that was my experience. And I got away and out 781 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,280 Speaker 1: of the supposedly sixty five women that have come forward 782 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,719 Speaker 1: or or I don't know how many. I think it 783 00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: was that, but they they I I just I just 784 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,800 Speaker 1: got away. There was no way. And the reason I 785 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: got away was because I didn't I didn't drink anything. 786 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 1: You know. I think our friend Gloria already says it 787 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 1: all on the courthouse steps. Listen, Tom Masro, you tried, 788 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:22,720 Speaker 1: you failed. The personal attacks did not work. Bill Cosby, 789 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:31,680 Speaker 1: three words for you. Guilty, guilty, guilty, and Bremner, Bethany Marshall, 790 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, Alexis tors Chuck Ladies, thank you, Nancy Grace 791 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:42,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend ye