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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports.

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Speaker 2: Oh what's going on everybody? Good morning to you, Happy Saturday.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what fellas. I am knee deep already

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Speaker 2: in apple cinnamon already. That's right, Yes, right out of

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Speaker 2: the gate. It's gonna be a festive show. I can

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Speaker 2: feel it howering up here. Yes, yes, carbon voting. Excited

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Speaker 2: for the weekend of hoops and then also the weekend

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Speaker 2: of ball, not in terms of live games, but we've

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Speaker 2: got NFL free agency starting on Wednesday. Of course, all

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Speaker 2: the draft stuff, it's always part of the conversation, but

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Speaker 2: I want to start with this. So Russell Wilson, he

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Speaker 2: visited the Steelers and he also spoke with the Giants

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Speaker 2: on Thursday. And all I hear about Russ is what

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Speaker 2: he doesn't do, how he's regressed. Yeah, it's just that

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Speaker 2: sort of vibe whenever you hear about Russell Wilson, is

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Speaker 2: it not? And I just got to think, and I'm like, granted,

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Speaker 2: this guy is not a star anymore.

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Speaker 3: But his reputation is so much worse than the reality.

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Speaker 2: If I just throw a couple of numbers out at you, right,

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Speaker 2: take a guy like c J. Stroud, he was fantastic

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Speaker 2: last season for the Texans, right, That's all we.

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Speaker 3: Did was, oh, c J. Stroud, this guy's and we

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Speaker 3: should have.

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Speaker 2: He had a sensational rookie season, offensive rookie of the year.

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Speaker 2: If you look at their numbers, you look at Russ

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Speaker 2: three more touchdown passes, three more interceptions. His passer rating

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Speaker 2: was two point eight points behind CJ.

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Speaker 3: Stroud. He's in the vicinity.

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Speaker 4: C J.

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Speaker 2: Stroud separated himself with passing yards, but Russell Wilson in

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Speaker 2: many categories is right there with CJ.

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Speaker 4: Stroud.

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Speaker 3: I know CJ was a rookie and Russ was in

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Speaker 3: year twelve. That matters.

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Speaker 2: But the point is, if we're just waxing poets about c. J.

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Speaker 2: Stroud and Russell Wilson statistically is comparable in many categories

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Speaker 2: and we're doing nothing but dogging the guy, that doesn't add.

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Speaker 4: Up to me.

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Speaker 2: And furthermore, one other little stat to consider. If you

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Speaker 2: look at what the Steelers quarterbacks did last season collectively,

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Speaker 2: if you were to just guess the touchdown passes and

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Speaker 2: interceptions of the three headed monster of Kenny Pickett, Mason

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Speaker 2: Rudolph and Mitch Trubisky, what do you think it was

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Speaker 2: touchdowns and picks collectively with those hacks.

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Speaker 3: I mean those quarterbacks, right, not a lot. Not great?

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Speaker 2: How about thirteen touchdown passes, nine interceptions, well, thirteen and

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Speaker 2: nine and they won ten games.

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Speaker 4: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not telling you they're gonna win a super

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Speaker 2: Bowl with Russ, but that's an upgrade.

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Speaker 3: And you might get them at a league minimum rate.

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Speaker 2: So I just don't understand why the negativity is gone

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Speaker 2: so far with the guy.

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Speaker 5: Well, okay, this is one of those things where the

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Speaker 5: stats don't tell the whole story, because if the stats

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Speaker 5: told the whole story, I don't think Seattle ever moves

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Speaker 5: on from him. I think if the stats told the

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Speaker 5: whole story, I don't think Nathaniel Hackett gets fired. I

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Speaker 5: think if the stats told the whole story.

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Speaker 4: I don't think.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that Sean Payton immediately because I mean,

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Speaker 5: let's be honest, it didn't even take a whole season,

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Speaker 5: immediately decides that Russell Wilson isn't going to fit in

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Speaker 5: his new system. I imagine on the outset, he was thinking, oh,

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Speaker 5: this would be an exciting little project. Things didn't go

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Speaker 5: well with a potential future Hall of Fame quarterback that

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Speaker 5: I'm going to get my hands on next And at

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Speaker 5: some point during the regular season last year, Sean Payton went, yeah, nah,

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Speaker 5: we're not doing this, and so it's damning, And yeah.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you. I think the stats look good.

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Speaker 5: But this is kind of like one of those situations

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Speaker 5: where you know, you're a guy, you're single, You're at

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Speaker 5: a bar. You know, you see the pretty girl down

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Speaker 5: the other end, you buy a couple of drinks and

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Speaker 5: you realize really quickly that there's the compatibility is the issue.

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Speaker 4: You know, everybody is.

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Speaker 5: Like, wow, she's gorgeous, buddy, good job, but then you

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Speaker 5: sideways fast like whatever it is, entitlement, high maintenance, you know,

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Speaker 5: a feeling of distrust, whatever it may be, like, it's

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Speaker 5: just not working. So yeah, on the outside looking in,

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Speaker 5: when you talk about all these pretty stats, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 5: impressed by the stats. And I've actually said that, I'm

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Speaker 5: on the record saying like, when you look at RUSS,

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Speaker 5: you know, from statistically speaking, RUSS wasn't the biggest problem

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Speaker 5: on the Denver Broncos over the past two years by far,

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Speaker 5: but when you start pulling open you know, the hatches

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Speaker 5: and you start removing the wiring and you look, you

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Speaker 5: look at what went wrong. And nobody's really talking about Russ.

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Speaker 5: On game days. They're talking about Russ, you know, in

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Speaker 5: the locker room. They're talking about Russ the leader. They're

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Speaker 5: talking about Russ, you know, the ego. They're not talking

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Speaker 5: about what he did on the field.

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Speaker 6: I think when you have a quarterback, there's something more

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Speaker 6: that matters and just numbers. I think if you're talking

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Speaker 6: know there's not as many statistics that grade them, but

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Speaker 6: there's a few you're talking about other positions, I think

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Speaker 6: you just go, all right, this guy's a great player,

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Speaker 6: here are the numbers. Let's plug him in and let's go.

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Speaker 6: When you're talking about a quarterback, you're talking about the

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Speaker 6: culture of the team, how the team responds to adversity,

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Speaker 6: how the team overcomes those difficult moments that come up

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Speaker 6: throughout the game, throughout the season. And for some reason,

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Speaker 6: it's kind of like, and I'm not that right, I'm

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Speaker 6: not privy to this.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 6: I'm hearing things, we read things that a lot of

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Speaker 6: people writing and talking about there's obviously some kind of

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Speaker 6: a disconnect in the locker room between the ears, the chemistry, right,

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Speaker 6: and I don't know if there's.

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Speaker 3: A right fit.

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Speaker 6: I think there is somewhere a right fit for him.

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Speaker 6: And because of the price tag, Denver picking up most

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Speaker 6: of the bill here, Right, It's almost like you go

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Speaker 6: on a date and your friend says, hey, I'll pay

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Speaker 6: for all the drinks.

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Speaker 4: You just cover the tip.

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Speaker 6: You're right, all right, I'm gonna stay on that date

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Speaker 6: a little bit longer, maybe, right the Broncos are bringing

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Speaker 6: up thirty nine million of the deal. He's probably gonna

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Speaker 6: get the veterans minimum from one of these Team Steelers

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Speaker 6: giants whoever. So, yeah, there's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 6: interest there. But I think at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: is there gonna be a marriage. Is there gonna be

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Speaker 6: a proposal? No, it's gonna be short term. It's gonna

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Speaker 6: be a year. We're gonna go on a few dates.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna see if we like the vibe. We probably

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Speaker 6: already know we're going to break up. This is probably

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Speaker 6: a fling, But I'm okay with it because my buddy's

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Speaker 6: picking up the bill and we're good. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 6: mister Bronco. So I think there's going to be a

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Speaker 6: home for Russell. But yeah, the chemistry is just off.

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Speaker 6: I mean, all I hear it is rare you hear

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Speaker 6: guys get bashed as much. I mean, there is something

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Speaker 6: going on. It's almost like I.

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Speaker 4: Can't even explain it.

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Speaker 3: Almost just like.

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Speaker 6: There's the expiration date has already happened before, We've already

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Speaker 6: opened the carton of milk, is what it seems like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the trendy thing to do.

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Speaker 2: This is like Will Levice before the draft last year

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Speaker 2: and everyone's just like, ah, freaking guy, that's what they're

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Speaker 2: doing with Russ right now. It's just in it's trendy.

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Speaker 2: It's the new hip thing to do is just crush

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Speaker 2: the guy. I mean, look at this. You could play

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Speaker 2: this game where hey, the Colts moved off of Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 2: the forty Niners moved off of Joe Montana. It didn't

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Speaker 2: mean those guys didn't have anything left. Look at Peyton Manning.

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Speaker 2: You said a record with single season touchdown passes, he

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Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl, like there was plenty left. I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying Russ is gonna do that, but this idea

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Speaker 3: Off of him.

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Speaker 2: So if clearly this guy is radioactive, you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't look at it that way, and I think that

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Speaker 2: it's all about what he can't do. If you look

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Speaker 2: at what he can do, he can put up numbers

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Speaker 2: better than Canny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky, and Mason Rudolph, and

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Speaker 2: you might get him for less. Like that's mind blowing.

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Speaker 2: As Jared just pointed out, he might only make one

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Speaker 2: point two million dollars because think of it like this.

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Speaker 2: The Broncos they have to pay the thirty nine million

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Speaker 2: dollars salary last year next year minus what any other

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Speaker 2: team pays him. So Russ is ticked off at the Broncos,

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Speaker 2: he might very well say, yeah, just give me one

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Speaker 2: point two million Steelers or whoever he signs, right, So

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Speaker 2: the Broncos talk with the bill, right, So you could

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Speaker 2: get Russ for one point two million dollars someone's by

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, And he had a top ten passer

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Speaker 2: rating hundred percent. He didn't play the last two games

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Speaker 2: and twenty six touchdown passes, so you're getting in the

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Speaker 2: think he was bad two seasons ago and a lot

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Speaker 2: plus the Broncos saying, hey, we'll eat the eighty five

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Speaker 2: million dollar cap here, like we'll figure it out.

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Speaker 3: That's the part about this that makes it crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but his reputation is really low, but I think

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Speaker 2: it's a lot lower than the reality here.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not disagreeing with that fully because we don't

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Speaker 5: have all the information.

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Speaker 4: This very much so.

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Speaker 5: Could have been one of those one of those situations

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Speaker 5: which on Payton where he said, you know, there's probably

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Speaker 5: enough here for us to be a playoff team, but

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Speaker 5: you hired me to be a super Bowl winning coach,

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Speaker 5: and I don't see us winning a super Bowl with

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Speaker 5: Russell Wilson, who's in year thirteen.

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Speaker 4: You know, the old dog knows a bunch of tricks.

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Speaker 5: And we see a plus Russell Wilson, and we saw

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Speaker 5: a lot of a plus Russell will with Sean Payton.

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Speaker 4: But then there's that C minus stuff.

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Speaker 5: And there really is like some you know, below the

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Speaker 5: grade stuff that Russell Wilson will do sometimes and sometimes

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Speaker 5: he'll do it all game long, like where it almost

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Speaker 5: feels like he's playing a different game in his head.

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Speaker 5: He ducks into pressure, he doesn't trust his reads even

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Speaker 5: when they're open. He's uncomfortable in the pocket, so he

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Speaker 5: rolls out twenty yards deep in his own backfield and

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Speaker 5: fires off an interception worthy throw, whether or not the defense.

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Speaker 4: Comes down with it.

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Speaker 5: It's just one of those bad throws that will go

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Speaker 5: down as an incompletion, but you're like, oh, there was

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Speaker 5: so much more behind that if that defensive back just

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Speaker 5: closed his hands around the football. We've all seen those

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Speaker 5: Russell Wilson moments in games that kill drives, or Russell

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Speaker 5: Wilson games where he just can't seem to get outside

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Speaker 5: of his own head. And it's frustrating when you're a

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Speaker 5: great coach like Sean Payton is and you worked with

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Speaker 5: a great quarterback, an exceptional quarterback like Drew Brees over

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Speaker 5: the majority of your career in New Orleans, and you're

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Speaker 5: tasked to rebuild the Broncos with a guy that you

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Speaker 5: didn't trade for. It's not like you know his DNA

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Speaker 5: was on that trade. He wasn't even a thought in

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Speaker 5: Denver's mind when that trade was consummated. So I think

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Speaker 5: Sean Payton very easily could have looked at this situation

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Speaker 5: So it very well could be that Brian. But at

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Speaker 5: Now I don't know if it says everything, but it

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Speaker 4: You ready for me to spin this positive? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: In my opinion, Russ is going to get because we're

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Speaker 6: And so the end result here you want to talk

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Speaker 4: But there's a chance.

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Speaker 6: Maybe he takes Pittsburgh to a level that they haven't

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Speaker 6: So I think there is a positive spin here. And

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Speaker 2: I'll put a little bow on this. You know what

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Speaker 5: I mean, okay, so you brought up his stats, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you.

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Speaker 5: Look at what you look at what Russell Wilson did,

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Speaker 5: Russ had a better year, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: twenty six to eight interceptions versus Josh is twenty nine

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Speaker 5: touchdowns to seven interceptions. You know, it's like he's an MVP.

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Speaker 5: Russell Wilson just got cut and the Denver Broncos are

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Speaker 3: So that's fine.

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Speaker 2: But that's the thing, though, Rich, is everybody compares Russ

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's terrible. It isn't.

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Speaker 4: You know, he has to kick him out of his

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Speaker 5: They have to fire a bunch of personal coaches that

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Speaker 5: So there's something else going on here. But to your point, Jared,

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Speaker 5: think that this is a great call. It second chance

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Speaker 6: But that's the thing, right, we're rich. This doesn't happen

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Speaker 6: and you can speak to this. I can't guys get

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Speaker 6: they don't get destroyed on the way out like that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, you're getting a lot of

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Speaker 2: NFL Free Agency it begins on Wednesday. The legal tampering period,

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Speaker 2: if you're into that, begins on Monday at noon Eastern time.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure no one's talking about contracts or hey, would

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 5: than other rocks, you know. That's why diamonds are more

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Speaker 5: expensive than amethysts because We look at amethysts and we say, well,

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Speaker 5: that's just a you know, it's a stone that you

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Speaker 5: could get on somebody's blanket out of flea market. You know,

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Speaker 5: a diamond is something you got to go to a

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Speaker 5: jeweler for. You gotta study the five seas if you're

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Speaker 5: going to buy an engagement ring.

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Speaker 4: All that stuff.

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Speaker 5: With running it's a little bit of the same because

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Speaker 5: if you start going through the list of rookie running

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Speaker 5: backs from twenty twenty three and start looking at the

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Speaker 5: impact that they had in in just one year, and

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Speaker 5: this happens every single year.

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Speaker 4: Running backs are replaceable.

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Speaker 5: You can find a really high caliber running back in

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Speaker 5: the draft, in the lower rounds. You can find a

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Speaker 5: really high caliber running back as an undrafted free agent.

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Speaker 5: Like I mean, think about that proposition. At the majority

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Speaker 5: of the other positions like quarterback or you know, tackle,

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Speaker 5: left tackle, right tackle doesn't really matter. At corner, at receiver,

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Speaker 5: even to get like a top flight receiver at edge rusher.

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Speaker 5: You know, when you start going through the position groups

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Speaker 5: and the ones that we deem more rare, to find

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Speaker 5: a great one. Running backs is a little bit easier

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Speaker 5: to find a great one.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the best, Like if we had to

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Speaker 6: redraft the running backs from last year, like I think

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Speaker 6: Gibbs probably still goes first. Well, Bijean goes first, let's

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Speaker 6: be honest, then Gibbs, but I think A Shane probably

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Speaker 6: goes third. And he was drafted eighty fourth overall. He

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Speaker 6: was a six running back selected. So yes, there's tons

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Speaker 6: and there's plenty of examples of it throughout history and

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Speaker 6: so on and so forth. But the stuff about Saquon

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Speaker 6: and and even Derrick Henry, I mean, I mean, these

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Speaker 6: are guys that are like MVP caliber players in their

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Speaker 6: prime and now they're begging, you know, just for a job.

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Speaker 6: And it's it's wild because and I never talk about

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Speaker 6: fantasy football here on the show because I haven't played

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Speaker 6: it since I really started gambling. And it's like it's

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Speaker 6: just like my childhood kind of, you know, come up

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Speaker 6: and into betting. But there's literally a strategy in fantasy

478
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Speaker 6: football where you just don't draft running backs. Like it's

479
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Speaker 6: called the zero RB strategy, and it's just you focus

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Speaker 6: on every other position. And it's proven to be a

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Speaker 6: successful strategy in fantasy football over the years if you

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Speaker 6: do it well. And that is like imagine a zero

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Speaker 6: quarterback strategy in fantasy football, or a zero receiver strategy,

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Speaker 6: like the position is so under valued even the fantasy

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Speaker 6: gms are not drafting running backs anymore. Like that is

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Speaker 6: how far this this narrative has gotten. And I don't

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Speaker 6: know what the answer is, Like these guys are great players,

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Speaker 6: Saquon Barkley, like the dude is a specimen or a freak.

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Speaker 6: If he played any other position in the league and

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Speaker 6: he was good at that position, he would be valued

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Speaker 6: a lot higher. But this is just the reality that

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Speaker 6: we live. And I think this is where the disconnect

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Speaker 6: was brot. I'm trying to remember, because I do recall

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Speaker 6: a lot of these debates from the offseason, and I

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Speaker 6: think the disconnect was just like I don't know how

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Speaker 6: to fix the reality of what the NFL is, Like,

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Speaker 6: this is just what it is.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if there's any way, any amount

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Speaker 3: of zoom.

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Speaker 6: Calls or any you know, great stars on the market

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Speaker 6: is going to change that, because this is just the

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Speaker 6: direction the league is going, and unfortunately these guys are

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Speaker 6: getting left behind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's look, man, if you go and you're looking

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Speaker 2: to get a new car, you're not gonna spend one

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars on a Nissan Ultimach.

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Speaker 3: Sure, because you don't need to. That's where the market is.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna say, oh, I'd like to pay way

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Speaker 2: more than I need you right like correct, So the

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Speaker 2: NFL they're not gonna do that with the running back position.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not arguing about the money they make. I

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Speaker 2: think they should make more, but I fully understand why

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Speaker 2: they don't. The argument I'm making is, let's not then

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Speaker 2: say and in addition to that, I mean, these bumps

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Speaker 2: don't do anything anyway. It's like, right, like, Saquon had

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Speaker 2: two hundred and forty seven carries last season, he had

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Speaker 2: forty one catches. You're talking in the neighborhood of three

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Speaker 2: hundred decent shits are somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And look at what he dealt with.

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Speaker 2: His quarterbacks were Daniel Jones, Tyrod Taylor. Look at the

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Speaker 2: offensive line well below average. Justin Bue in the Sunday

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Speaker 2: Night Football intro is like Justin bu straight off the couch.

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Speaker 3: Right like, that's his offensive line.

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Speaker 2: So you get him to Philly with one of the

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Speaker 2: best lines in football, even after the retirement of Jason

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Speaker 2: Kelsey and you've got a real quarterback, or you go

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Speaker 2: to Houston to act like, oh yeah, a big deal,

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Speaker 2: you could get an undrafted guy. I just don't look

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Speaker 2: at it the same way as that, where if this

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Speaker 2: was truly like the fullback and those guys have been

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Speaker 2: phased out in terms of how often they're on the

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Speaker 2: field what they're.

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Speaker 3: Asked to do.

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Speaker 2: Fine, but that's not where the running back position is,

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Speaker 2: especially for the top guys. So just don't make the

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Speaker 2: mistake of saying they don't make money and they don't

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Speaker 2: do much anyway. No, it's just they don't make a

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Speaker 2: lot of money in spite of at times doing a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that is true.

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Speaker 5: But I kind of look at running backs not as

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Speaker 5: the whole car, but as fuel. Right, And I'll actually

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Speaker 5: make a different comparison, like I'll compare it to our dyet, right,

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Speaker 5: Saquon Barkley twenty twenty two, when when you were sitting

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Speaker 5: down to a meal and it was sa Barkley was

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Speaker 5: a part.

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Speaker 4: He was the steak man. Like, I mean, there's no

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Speaker 4: question about it.

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Speaker 5: That guy had an exceptional season thirteen hundred yards something

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Speaker 5: like that, you know, well over four yards to carry.

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Speaker 5: He was the reason that offense went Brian da bows

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Speaker 5: first year as head coach in New York, everybody was

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Speaker 5: crowning him as potentially a coach of the Year.

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Speaker 4: You know, it was a big deal in New York.

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Speaker 4: Danny Dimes never looked better over the course of his career.

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Speaker 5: Saquon Barkley and his help on that offense had a

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Speaker 5: lot to do with that. But then last year, you know,

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Speaker 5: it kind of felt like more like I was sitting

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Speaker 5: down to a meal and Saquon Barkley.

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Speaker 4: Was a burger.

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Speaker 5: Look, a burger is still gonna satiate me. I'm not

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Speaker 5: gonna turn down a burger, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 5: But there's this feeling of those two things are accomplishing

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Speaker 5: the same ends, but they're at completely different price points.

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Speaker 5: And guess what if I'm paying the same amount for

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Speaker 5: the burger that I am for the stake, and and

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Speaker 5: you know, this is at the same restaurant and everything

567
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Speaker 5: is the same, it's just a different year. I'm saying

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Speaker 5: to myself, like, why last year was this a stake

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Speaker 5: on the plate and this year it's a burger.

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Speaker 4: And then also I'm looking at the plate across from me.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, well, that guy is getting a discount on

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Speaker 5: a much better meal.

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Speaker 4: I want that meal.

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Speaker 5: And so that's this this leap frog, like you mentioned

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Speaker 5: a change a chang can I out of nowhere.

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Speaker 4: For the Miami Dolphins, Taji.

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Speaker 5: Spears had a better year, Yeah than Derrick Henry. You know,

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Speaker 5: I mean you start talking about some of these teams.

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Speaker 5: Zeke Elliott. Zeke Elliott is a big name. He's a

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Speaker 5: big free agent. He'll probably have a job somewhere in

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Speaker 5: the league. But I wouldn't trust Zeke Elliott as much

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Speaker 5: as I would want to like a Jamiir Gibbs who

583
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Speaker 5: just got his first taste of the NFL.

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Speaker 4: I So the running back is a tricky position.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying they don't do a lot, but I'm

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Speaker 5: saying different running backs at different stages in their career

587
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 5: fuel an offense very differently than others, and they are

588
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Speaker 5: a little bit more of a replaceable commodity.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what, rich you talk about fuel.

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Speaker 2: There is a guy who is premium diesel for this show.

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Speaker 2: He is a man named Isaac loewen Kron. He is

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Speaker 2: with us here, I low with the latest.

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Speaker 8: The latest is history was made moments ago by Fox

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Speaker 8: Sports Radio's Rich Ornberger Boy, who became the first person

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Speaker 8: to drop an amethyst reference in sports talk radio history.

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Speaker 4: I know why he did it too.

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Speaker 6: Why well, because his birthdays in February and it's the birthstone.

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Speaker 4: It's mine too.

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Speaker 6: Oh ma, as psychology Bud, I said that to my

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Speaker 6: head the second you said it.

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Speaker 9: Fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Happy belated birthday for both of us, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, happy birthday. Yeah, birthday twins.

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Speaker 9: The two are like februaries.

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Speaker 8: You just keep peeling, fascinating layer after fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Show in two years.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, Isaac.

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Speaker 8: This has been confirmed because we have the technology through

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Speaker 8: AI or whatever.

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Speaker 9: Just playing brilliance.

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Speaker 8: Run here to go through literally the transcript of every

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Speaker 8: word that has ever been uttered in sports talk radio history,

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Speaker 8: and until today, no one had mentioned the word amethyst.

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Speaker 9: We'll start by mentioning what happened at the NPA.

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Speaker 4: I'm really good at this is love over there.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, just wondering what words can be next that have

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Speaker 8: never been uttered in sports talk radio history.

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Speaker 9: Maybe better you don't answer that anyway.

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Speaker 8: The NBA on Friday night, the Los Angeles Lakers were

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Speaker 8: without Lebron James because of a left ankle injury, but

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Speaker 8: knocked off the Milwaukee Bucks one twenty three to one

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Speaker 8: twenty two by DiAngelo Russell, who scored a season I

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Speaker 8: forty four, including a game running basket with five point

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Speaker 8: nine to play. Oklahoma City over Miami one oh seven

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Speaker 8: to one hundred is the Thunder took over the best

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Speaker 8: record of the Western Conference. Nick's over Orlando ninety eight

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Speaker 8: to seventy four. It broke the Magic's five game winning

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Speaker 8: street Get this, the seventy four points were the fewest

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Speaker 8: points scored by any NBA team all season long. New

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Speaker 8: Orleans held off Philadelphia what oh three to ninety five.

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Speaker 8: Pelicans led by thirty five in the second quarter. Sixers

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Speaker 8: cut it to six with one oh one left in

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Speaker 8: the fourth quarter, but New Orleans held on. Finally, we're

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Speaker 8: gonna spend a few moments talking about Cleveland's one thirteen

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Speaker 8: to one oh four overtime win over Minnesota under thirty

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Speaker 8: seconds left in the fourth quarter, Timberwolves leading by one,

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Speaker 8: Minnesota's Rudy Gobert was called for a foul and then

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Speaker 8: made the money gesture at the officials. It resulted in

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Speaker 8: a technical foul that gave Cleveland the game time free throw.

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Speaker 8: After the game, Gobert told reporters and I quote, referees

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Speaker 8: make mistakes. Sometimes I think it's more than mistakes. I

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Speaker 8: think everyone that's in this league knows. I think it's

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Speaker 8: got to get better. I'll bite the bullet again. I'll

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Speaker 8: be the bad guy that speaks what I think is

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Speaker 8: the truth. They're probably going to find me. But I

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Speaker 8: think it's hurting our game. I know the betting and

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Speaker 8: all that is becoming bigger and bigger, but it shouldn't

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Speaker 8: feel that way. Just let the players decide the game.

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Speaker 8: On that note, no, he probably should have talked about amethysts.

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Speaker 9: Back to you.

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Speaker 2: Man, thank you, I love. I'll tell you what there's

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Speaker 2: he can talk about hurting the game. He hurt his team. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you can't give the money signed in a one point

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Speaker 2: game and get teed up.

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Speaker 4: What are you doing like make the money like I

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Speaker 4: don't understand.

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Speaker 2: Like you can say whatever you want after the game,

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Speaker 2: but do not get teed up like that by making

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Speaker 2: the money signed gesture like you're on the take, ref.

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Speaker 2: I know that's why you you did.

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Speaker 3: Or didn't call that? That's weird. Hey.

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Speaker 2: the air. All right, We've got Rich Hornberger, Penn State

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Speaker 2: All American, Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst. I'm Brian No

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Speaker 2: coming up next the parlay platter, and rumor has it

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Speaker 2: the odds might not be ninety five to one on

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Speaker 2: this one. You know, that's just a little more mild today,

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Speaker 2: Maybe a little mild instead of fire breathing hot sauce.

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Speaker 3: You know, we'll have some details for you coming up.

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Speaker 2: It is Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: It is Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: No time to waste, let's make some cash, Let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Check this out.

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Speaker 1: Par lay ladder.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jared Smith, you've been in the lab. Smoke is

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Speaker 2: billowing out of the area. You're in concocting a parlay

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Speaker 2: ladder today?

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Speaker 3: What do you have for it?

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Speaker 4: Even extra smoke? Guys?

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Speaker 6: Because this is conference tournament season. Here's my word of advice.

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Speaker 4: The regular season games today.

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Speaker 6: Very hard to tell which teams are just packing it

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00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 6: in for their conference tournaments next week.

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Speaker 4: So I am sticking to the games that I know.

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Speaker 6: These teams are gonna be jacked up. This is the

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Speaker 6: season the mid major conference tournaments. Let's start with Samford

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Speaker 6: and they're in the so Con. They are the number

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Speaker 6: one seed. They are facing Mercer today. They're a big favorite.

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Speaker 4: In this game.

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Speaker 6: This is a very high variance league, very exciting league,

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00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 6: a lot of three point shots in this league. Stanford's

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Speaker 6: the best team. They're the only team besides Mercer actually

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Speaker 6: that does play a lick of defense. But Samford does

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Speaker 6: it on both ends right offense and defense. They are

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Speaker 6: the best team in this conference. They're going to win

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Speaker 6: this game and get to the semifinal rounds. We'll take

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Speaker 6: Sanmford on the money line today in the so Con

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Speaker 6: quarters against Mercer.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to Let's go to the Summit League.

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Speaker 6: This is another interesting league, probably the league we're gonna

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Speaker 6: fade when we get to the NCAA tournament, but is

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Speaker 6: a very intriguing league, high scoring league, and I like

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Speaker 6: umk C. Today they are facing Denver. This is the

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Speaker 6: ruse man. I love the mascots in these mid major leagues.

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Speaker 6: The university we have Missouri Kansas City.

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Speaker 4: Ruse taken on the Denver Pioneers.

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Speaker 6: Well, Denver, the leading scorer in the nation actually plays

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Speaker 6: for Denver. His name is Tommy Brunner. The problem is

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Speaker 6: he's hurt and he's not playing in this tournament. So

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Speaker 6: we're gonna take UMKC to beat Denver today. That also

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Speaker 6: on the money line. Finally, Oh my goodness, gracious, I

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Speaker 6: love UNC Ashville in the Big South. I call him

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Speaker 6: UNC Smashville. Why they've got a seven footer on their

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Speaker 6: team named Drew Pember.

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Speaker 4: You might remember him from the tourney.

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Speaker 6: Last year, they won this conference tournament, they made it

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Speaker 6: to the NCAA Tournament and then they got smoked by UCLA.

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Speaker 6: Probably similar vibe this year. But they are absolutely the

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Speaker 6: best team in this conference. Why they've got the best player,

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Speaker 6: not a lot of seven footers in.

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Speaker 3: The Big South.

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Speaker 6: Ashville faces Gardner Webb today, who they've lost to twice,

730
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Speaker 6: but they're still the favorite. Will put Asheville on the

731
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Speaker 6: money line with UMKC and Samford. A three team moneyline

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Speaker 6: parlay pays out plus two twenty one at bet MGM.

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Speaker 6: Not the spiciest, right guys, But still with these conference tournaments,

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Speaker 6: I have an advanced favorites, get the win, move on,

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Speaker 6: hopefully we cash a almost a little over two to

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Speaker 6: one ticket.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 5: I want to ask you a question about what do

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Speaker 5: you goat basketball betting? Over the course of this season

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Speaker 5: and maybe even last season two? Has it been more

741
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Speaker 5: difficult because it feels like, you know, to win or

742
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Speaker 5: to catch an edge somewhere. It feels like there's more

743
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Speaker 5: parody and on a night to night basis, I have

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Speaker 5: a harder judgment deciding what games are really worth my

745
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Speaker 5: money or my time or the effort to do the

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Speaker 5: deep dive because it feels like the results have been

747
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Speaker 5: almost like random minds, like you're shaking up the magic

748
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Speaker 5: eight ball instead of actually catching edges.

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Speaker 4: That's the college basketball.

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Speaker 6: It is the volume sport. Here's my advice for everyone.

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Speaker 6: Take a couple of conferences you like. Rich likes the

752
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 6: Mountain West, right, he's out in San Diego. He covers

753
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Speaker 6: that conference. If you're in that situation, pick that conference.

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Speaker 6: There's always a game or two, usually every night or

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Speaker 6: every other night. There's like four games right, I like

756
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 6: to specialize. I don't bet, and you guys know you

757
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 6: guys follow my picks for a while.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 6: I don't bet a lot of the high major leagues

760
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Speaker 6: on a night to night faces in college, I bet

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00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 6: the mid majors, right, I bet the umkcs, the colgates, like,

762
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Speaker 6: that's where I think the value lies because there's not

763
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Speaker 6: as many fish swimming in that sea. The sportsbooks will

764
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Speaker 6: just give you the number and they won't make what

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Speaker 6: I'm noticing this year, home teams are being taxed at

766
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Speaker 6: an alarming rate, especially in the high major leagues. It's

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Speaker 6: really hard to bet a home team against the spread,

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Speaker 6: and that I think is something that we just have

769
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Speaker 6: to adjust. But yes, in general, oh March madness, guys.

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Speaker 6: I always go back to Brian's comment when we go

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Speaker 6: off the show and there's an exciting day of college

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Speaker 6: football and he just says, ball, That's.

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Speaker 3: How I feel about these tournaments.

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Speaker 4: But it is just straight ball, man.

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Speaker 2: It's something that you said, Jared, where the home teams

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Speaker 2: are being taxed at are really high rate. And to

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Speaker 2: give people an idea, think of the Marquee games today.

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Speaker 2: So Kansas is at Houston. Houston's the number one, but

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Speaker 2: they're favored by eight and a half.

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Speaker 3: Can't lay that You gotta lay eight.

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Speaker 2: And a half against KU That's I don't know. And

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Speaker 2: then also Kentucky is at Tennessee. We know about Tennessee's defense,

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00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: we know about Dalton connect obviously, Tennessee minus seven and

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Speaker 2: a half against.

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Speaker 6: The Final four caliber team, Like, it's really hard to

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Speaker 6: lay points against a team like that.

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Speaker 4: It is. Get off to Rich's point, you're not covering

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Speaker 4: that number.

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Speaker 2: Kentucky's offense is so good. I mean, look, could Tennessee

790
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: cover that number, absolutely, but that's a high number heading

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Speaker 2: in to be like they got a win by at

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Speaker 2: least eight, that's that's not gonna be the easiest thing

793
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Speaker 2: to pull off. So you're right, right, And those are

794
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: like big time games, a lot of focus. But to

795
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Speaker 2: go with the home favorite, you're laying a lot of points.

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Speaker 6: That's why I do a lot of moneyline parlayers with

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Speaker 6: the home favorites.

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Speaker 4: I take two or three favorites.

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Speaker 6: I really like usually seven is the dividing line because

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Speaker 6: seven so the key numbers in basketball right and football

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Speaker 6: it's three and seven right.

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Speaker 3: In college basketball it's three.

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Speaker 4: Five and seven.

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Speaker 6: So if you see a seven and a half, you're like,

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Speaker 6: oh wow, that team really should win.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's just been so random for me. I've

808
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Speaker 5: been I've been dabbling, you know what I mean. You've

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Speaker 5: seen some of my pictucently on rapid fire. I think

810
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Speaker 5: I've missed on all my college basketball players far.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're due to you.

813
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Speaker 3: I look at betting, you know, that's the way to

814
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Speaker 3: go about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, coming up next to pay or not

816
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: to pay? That is the question, and that is on

817
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Speaker 2: the way next. Oh, happy Saturday to you all. Hope

818
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: you're off to your Saturday is off to a great

819
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: start here, so really interesting if we go to the

820
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Speaker 2: NFL over here. I was doing some fill in work

821
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Speaker 2: for a station in Milwaukee this week.

822
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Speaker 3: Just a wretched experience.

823
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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you, man, you talk about

824
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: you talk Milwaukee anything against him. I have everything against

825
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: homer logic, and it was just a homer logic fest

826
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Speaker 2: where I's here's one of my takes, and I want

827
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Speaker 2: to throw it your way because this is a national thing.

828
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Speaker 3: It's not just a.

829
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Speaker 2: Local Milwaukee thing. Jordan Love Packers quarterback, He's in line

830
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Speaker 2: for an extension, and they're gonna give it to him. Okay,

831
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: they're not gonna do what I think they should, because

832
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: they're gonna look at this and say, hey, he's in

833
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: line for a deal. Let's lock him up right now,

834
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: because it's gonna look like a bargain over the scale

835
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Speaker 2: over the course of this deal. Right, it's gonna look

836
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: like that. And I say, wait, I say, you don't

837
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: have to rush in. Jordan Love played very well last year,

838
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: and he exceeded everybody's expectations, especially mine. I didn't think

839
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Speaker 2: he was gonna throw anywhere near thirty two touchdown passes.

840
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: He did good for him. But this idea that it's

841
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: a bargain, Oh, it's a bargain if you lock him

842
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: up right now. It's only a bargain if he produces

843
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: at a high level. If you look at Russell Wilson's contract,

844
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: the going right now two years later is higher. We

845
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: don't look at Russell Wilson's contract and say, man, what

846
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: a bargain here. He didn't produce at a level that

847
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: would make it a bargain. So I don't think he

848
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: can fall into the trap of saying the price tag

849
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: is just gonna go up. Okay, it is, but it's

850
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Speaker 2: all about production. Is the production going to be worth

851
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: what the contract is? And if you're talking about the

852
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: mid forty million dollar range, the high forty million dollar range, yeah,

853
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: he could.

854
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Speaker 3: Live up to it.

855
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Speaker 2: It could be a bargain, but it's only if he

856
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: produces at that rate. So I don't think of it

857
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: like that. All this talk about it's a bargain. No,

858
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: it can be a weight on your shoulders that you

859
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 2: can't get off. A bargain turns into a house arrest,

860
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: ankle Bracelet you know, if the guy isn't producing and

861
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: nine good games, I just need a little bit more information,

862
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: So I'm not rushing in. I would let him play

863
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: out this last year of his contract and then if

864
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: he plays great, fine, then we pay a little bit more.

865
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Speaker 2: I'm willing to pay a tax to get more information.

866
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: And if he doesn't play well, I have options. We

867
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: get him at an even lower rate, or we can

868
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 2: go in a different direction without having to eat Denver

869
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: Broncos like dead cap money. So I'm waiting on this one.

870
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: But they're not gonna do what I suggest they should.

871
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and I'll make a comparison that makes

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00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 5: sense to me. Here, it's almost like Daniel Jones in

873
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 5: New York. You're you're probably not gonna sign him for

874
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson money. You're gonna sign Jordan Love for, like

875
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 5: you said, something that looks like a bargain and Daniel Jones,

876
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 5: even though that's a significant chunk of change as a

877
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 5: salary cap rises, as we're gonna see other quarterback contracts

878
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 5: being signed, forty million dollars a year is gonna look

879
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 5: like a bargain, a budget that you can really build a.

880
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 4: Team around pretty easily.

881
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 5: And maybe that's the kind of money Jordan Love maybe

882
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 5: a hair below that is looking at. But like Daniel Jones,

883
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 5: it's it's a possibility that contract doesn't age well, even

884
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 5: though you're getting a bargain quote unquote, a bargain for

885
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 5: him if things go sideways. We've seen this how many

886
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 5: times over and over again. A rookie quarterback or a

887
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 5: first year quarterback. In the case of Jordan Love, I

888
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 5: know he's been hanging out on that roster for a

889
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 5: little while, waiting for his opportunity gets their opportunity shines bright,

890
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden, the shine fades because

891
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 5: defenses figure them out. They get to feel for maybe

892
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 5: some of the things that they don't do well. It's like, oh, geez,

893
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 5: you know, he really struggled with I don't know, safety pressures,

894
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 5: or really had a hard time recognizing the blitz off

895
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 5: of you know, the left side, or you know, struggled

896
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: throwing the ball.

897
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 4: To this area of the field.

898
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 5: And so we're gonna put the clamps down on the

899
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 5: middle of the field, whatever it may be. The defensive

900
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 5: coordinator's job on the other thirty one teams is to

901
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 5: nitpick the deficiencies of your offense. And as soon as

902
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 5: word gets out, meaning there's film of how to attack you, well,

903
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 5: then it gets a little bit easier to defend you.

904
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 5: And then you have to adjust. Is Jordan love that guy?

905
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I agree with you, Brian, if

906
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 5: you pay him right now. It feels a shade too

907
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 5: early to do that.

908
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 6: You know, this sounds like and I love when we

909
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 6: do a segment a week ago and a phrase that

910
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 6: we use that you guys love comes in again because

911
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 6: it is a phrase, guys that is I think applicable

912
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 6: in most situations.

913
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: Asymmetric risk. Oh yeah, here it is. We got another example, right,

914
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 4: you have two options.

915
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 6: You either don't pay Jordan Love now and he is

916
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 6: still under contract and he continues to play for you

917
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 6: next year, and you could make another decision. And I

918
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 6: love the way Brian frased it paying for information. I

919
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 6: played poker last night. I want some money, by the way,

920
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 6: And you sometimes call things because you want to know

921
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 6: what the other person has, because you want to get

922
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 6: a read on them, and.

923
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 3: Paying for information makes a ton of sense.

924
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 6: He's under contract, no matter what, He's going to play

925
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 6: for you next year, no matter what the other option is.

926
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: You pay him a boatload of money.

927
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 6: And if we're talking about Daniel Jones money four years,

928
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 6: one sixty forty plus million guaranteed, that's what we're talking

929
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 6: about here. You pay him that now and he's either

930
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 6: worth that next year and more. There's a small chance

931
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 6: of that, but there's also a bigger chance that he's

932
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 6: worth less and you didn't have to.

933
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 4: Pay him this year.

934
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 6: You can wait, you can pay for the information because

935
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 6: if he's amazing next year, well yeah, you tack on

936
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 6: another ten or fifteen million and you say, hey, you

937
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 6: had a great year, here's a little extra bonus for it.

938
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: And that's fine.

939
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 6: You know why, because if that happens, that means the

940
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 6: Packers had a great year. And that is I think

941
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 6: if I was a GM an okay tax to pay

942
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 6: for that information. Here is the thing. And last year,

943
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 6: you guys know, I was all I was team Packers

944
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,479
Speaker 6: over seven and a half wins. I thought maybe Jordan

945
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 6: Love was undervalued. Well guess what the market's changed. He's

946
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 6: overvalued now. And I think the Packers as a team

947
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 6: next year will be the overvalued hot button team.

948
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 4: That everybody wants to bet on.

949
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: The number is gonna be up.

950
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 6: I bet that win total is gonna be north of nine,

951
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 6: maybe eight and a half nine. And that's where we

952
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 6: just take a step back. Maybe we don't hammer the under,

953
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 6: but we're definitely not gung ho Green Bay, Homer, Milwaukee,

954
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 6: like Brian' said, to deal.

955
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: With all of week.

956
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: That's right, Oh man, I'm just detoxing, right.

957
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 4: Cheese cheese again.

958
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 2: Never Yeah, well, filveto, I'll make an etcetera. But yeah,

959
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: that's the thing. I would compare it like this, nine

960
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: good games for Jordan Love. The guy has thrown like

961
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: six hundred and fifty ish passes in his NFL career

962
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: six sixty two. To be right on the money, Tua

963
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: tongue off I Loa has thrown almost a thou and

964
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: more passes. You have more information to go on, So

965
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: I would look at it like this. It'd be like

966
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: if you're dating someone new and you've only gone gone

967
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: on a handful of dates, and you're saying, I want

968
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: to get married, and it's.

969
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: Like it could work out.

970
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: It might work out, but don't you want to wait

971
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: a little longer to get more information to see if

972
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: you're compatible, to see if there are any red flags,

973
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: to see if you should make that type of commitment.

974
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: I think it makes way more sense to do that.

975
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: And if you read the fine print, some of Jordan

976
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: Love's better games last year against the Chargers, they gave

977
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: up the third most passing yards against Tampa.

978
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 3: They gave up the fourth most against Detroit.

979
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: Remember the Thanksgiving Day Detroit gave up the sixth most.

980
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: We saw Cameron Sutton get torched left and right toward

981
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: the end of the of the season, especially and the Vikings.

982
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 3: He carved them up. At the end of the year.

983
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: Vikings were they gave up the ninth most passing yards.

984
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: So these good games were reading and the fine print,

985
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: and it's like, you want to make that type of

986
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: commitment because I just look at it and say, if

987
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: you don't pay him this offseason, let's say he plays

988
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: great in twenty twenty four and the price tag goes up,

989
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 2: at least you aren't screwed. But if you pay him

990
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: now and he doesn't live up to that contract, like

991
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson or Daniel Jones, and you're eating cap money

992
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: and all that, you're screwed.

993
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: You don't have the same options.

994
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I just think, don't

995
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: get me wrong.

996
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 5: I appreciate that there's probably the number crunching aspect, analytical

997
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 5: view of a front office now that you know speaks

998
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 5: to the salary cap guy, you know, the general manager

999
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 5: and the player personnel department, and they're all together evaluating risk.

1000
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 5: You know, what is the maximum value that we can

1001
00:49:54,760 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 5: place on this player any position and still receive the

1002
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 5: appropriate I guess, I guess gain back. On the backside,

1003
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 5: it's it's a difficult equation to work out because, as

1004
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 5: we know, in the NFL Draft, for example, which is

1005
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 5: coming up in less than a month and a half,

1006
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 5: you try to do that with prospects coming into the league,

1007
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 5: and it's really really maddening because you don't know how

1008
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 5: they're gonna project when once you're in the NFL, I mean,

1009
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 5: injuries can change that equation. Like I said, adjustments that

1010
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 5: the defense is going to make. You know, no one

1011
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 5: season exists in a vacuum, and that is going to

1012
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 5: be the path a player walks for the rest of

1013
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 5: their career. You know, players ebb and flow. Sometimes inexplicably

1014
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 5: they play worse season overseason. Maybe the pressure starts getting

1015
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 5: to them. You know, Jordan Love, maybe when he was

1016
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 5: a rookie in a backup, he wasn't feeling pressure. Maybe

1017
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 5: even in his first year as a starter, he wasn't

1018
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 5: feeling pressure because he's kind of like, you know, jeez,

1019
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, I'm just gonna go out there

1020
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 5: and play ball and we'll see where the chips land.

1021
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 5: But then as soon as he signs a big deal

1022
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 5: and he gets some money in his pocket, and now

1023
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 5: there's more people coming to his door with marketing opportunities,

1024
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 5: and pressure starts to build. Now you're the guy, You're

1025
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 5: getting paid like the guy. Maybe some people from a

1026
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 5: mental standpoint, the imposter syndrome starts leaching into the conversation

1027
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 5: mentally for them, Like, it's really difficult to weigh and

1028
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 5: balance how every aspect of a career is going to

1029
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 5: actually affect a career. So I agree with you, man

1030
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 5: I when it comes to spending that level of money

1031
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 5: that NFL teams have to now invest in quarterbacks in

1032
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 5: order to just even sign a mid tier quarterback, I

1033
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 5: want to do. I want to have every box, or

1034
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 5: as many of the boxes checked as possible, and I

1035
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 5: think there's a couple more boxes that I would like

1036
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 5: to see checked from Jordan Love. That doesn't mean that

1037
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 5: you have to wait until next offseason. I mean this

1038
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 5: could be one of those situations where behind the scenes,

1039
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 5: Jordan Love's agent and the team work out a deal

1040
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 5: and five games into the season or eight games.

1041
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 4: Into the season, he signs a big contract. You know. Well,

1042
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 4: here's the thing this is and he has a unique contract.

1043
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 6: I'm looking at it now and I didn't know he

1044
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 6: had this, But he is like eight million in escalators

1045
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 6: that were built in because of how well he played

1046
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 6: last year.

1047
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: Like his base salary next year is ten and a

1048
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: half million.

1049
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 6: Dollars, and again for a fifth year quarterback, that was

1050
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 6: taken at the end of the first round. That's pretty

1051
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 6: darn good because most fifth year quarterbacks that don't get that,

1052
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 6: you know, that reshuffle, that that that renegotiation, they don't

1053
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 6: have these kind of escalators because they don't play that much.

1054
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 6: Right if in anyone who's in that situation usually gets

1055
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 6: signed already. So Jordan already has a really solid base

1056
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 6: salary next year, and I would not pay him right now.

1057
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 6: I think that is a I think if they are

1058
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 6: going to pay him, then it's some nerd in the

1059
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 6: Green Bay office that's saying, man, we better pay him

1060
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 6: now because if we don't, we're gonna have to pay

1061
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 6: more next year. And right, Brian, you probably perfect answers

1062
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 6: because you've been worn in this town and kind of

1063
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 6: get the vibe. Milwaukee can be a little bit of

1064
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 6: a penny pincher town when it comes to paying their stars,

1065
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 6: Like Green Bay has this thing about getting the quarterback

1066
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 6: before the next one leaves, right, and it's always about

1067
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 6: kind of reshaping the contract and reshaping the roster to

1068
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 6: fit the budget. And I think that can get you

1069
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 6: into trouble long term in this situation because of the

1070
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 6: high profile position, they don't like the Packers don't need

1071
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 6: to do anything next year. Jordan loves getting paid ten

1072
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 6: and a half million dollars. He's only twelve and a

1073
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 6: half on dead cap, Like, just let him go play

1074
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 6: as basically a second year starter. Like, let him go

1075
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 6: play and earn that money, and if he continues to

1076
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 6: play well, he will get rewarded next year. And if

1077
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 6: he doesn't play well well, then he'll get not rewarded.

1078
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 4: And that's I think how the.

1079
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: System should work.

1080
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because you're totally right. The organization. They

1081
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: are super careful, very calculated. I think too careful if

1082
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: it comes to free agency, and let's ensure carefully. It's

1083
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: funny when when Matt the Floor talks at a postgame

1084
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: press conference, the sponsor behind them is like, ensure carefully.

1085
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, if that's not the perfect sponsor for the

1086
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers, I don't.

1087
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 4: Know what insurance.

1088
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the tone this offseason and that town and

1089
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: that area is just like fifty million Jordan left, pay

1090
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: him absolutely.

1091
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 4: That's the problem.

1092
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 6: When bitcoin hit seventy thousand, which it did like multiple

1093
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 6: times this week, and it got hammered down because everyone wants.

1094
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 3: To sell at that price that's right or indicator?

1095
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: Well, think about this, which cautionary tale is worse. Is

1096
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: it the Broncos paying Russell Wilson or is it the

1097
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 2: Cowboys waiting to pay dak right? Like it cost both teams,

1098
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: but it costs the Cowboys less. Which cautionary tale is worse?

1099
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: Is it the Giants paying Daniel Jones? Or was it

1100
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: the Dolphins waiting to pay to a tongue of Iiloa?

1101
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 2: The price tag has gone up, but they got more

1102
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: information that they needed.

1103
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 3: And think about about this too.

1104
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 2: We just saw the Bills release six players. Josh Allen

1105
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: is worth the money, He's worth the contract. His production

1106
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: is really really high, and yet they're having the skimp

1107
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: left and right. So when you make that type of

1108
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: commitment to whoever your quarterback is, they better be producing

1109
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: at a high, high level. You can't be paying a

1110
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: guy top five, top ten money and he's producing at

1111
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: a lower rate, You are going to be screwed. And

1112
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't know which way it's going to fall with

1113
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: Jordan Love if he's producing at a top ten rate

1114
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 2: or something lower than that. But I'm telling you, if

1115
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: you make that type of financial commitment and he comes

1116
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: up short, you're screwed, And I just need more information

1117
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: to feel stronger that he's going to be a guy

1118
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: that can produce at a rate that's equal to the

1119
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 2: type of money that he's making.

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00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 5: Also, you got to remember that football is as much

1121
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 5: about marketing as it is about how your team plays.

1122
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 5: Like look at the Dallas Cowboys, for example. They haven't

1123
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 5: won a Super Bowl since the late nineties. They haven't

1124
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 5: been to an NFC Championship game since ninety seven, And

1125
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 5: from a marketing standpoint, you wouldn't You wouldn't think that

1126
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 5: because they stay top of buying tip a tongue and

1127
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 5: have for decades. Now, Well, when you have a team

1128
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 5: that is producing on the field, and you have a

1129
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 5: player who's producing on the field like the Green Bay

1130
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 5: Packers are and performing ahead of expectations in this case

1131
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 5: with Jordan Love, it buys you a little time from

1132
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 5: a marketing standpoint, Like, nobody in your fan base is

1133
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 5: going to see the contract come across the wire and

1134
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 5: complain that you paid him too little or too much.

1135
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 5: The fans don't really typically care. Maybe some of the

1136
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 5: capologists in the crowd who are really into that sort

1137
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 5: of thing. Playing armchair GM at home will care. But

1138
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 5: for the majority of your fan base, they don't care

1139
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,479
Speaker 5: what you pay. Jordan Love as long as he works out.

1140
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 5: So like you, Brian, I'm like minded. I think from

1141
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 5: a standpoint of a GM and from the marketing standpoint

1142
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 5: of the sport of the NFL professional football, Like, I

1143
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 5: want to make sure I have the guy before I

1144
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 5: pay the guy like the guy, because when you screw

1145
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 5: that up, oh man, you are in the situation like

1146
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 5: the Broncos are. You're in the situation like the Giants are,

1147
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 5: and it's hard to get out from under that.

1148
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jordan's gonna be paid fine.

1149
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 6: I mean, he's got so many incentives baked into this deal.

1150
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 6: I don't see why the packers would even lift a

1151
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 6: finger to give.

1152
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 3: Him any more money.

1153
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 6: I mean, he can make another ten million on top

1154
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 6: of his actual base salary with incentives this year, Like,

1155
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 6: he can make up to twenty two and a half

1156
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 6: million this year if he Now, he's not gonna hit

1157
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 6: all the incentives, but like, he is going to get

1158
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 6: paid more than what his base salary is.

1159
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 3: And now you want to add.

1160
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 6: On a little bit of a sweetener just because he

1161
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 6: had a good ten game stretch, like, I think paying

1162
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 6: him would be a very shrewd like. It might look

1163
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 6: good on paper in the long term if you look

1164
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 6: at the profit and loss over a five year stretch,

1165
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 6: but man, the NFL is a little bit short, like

1166
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 6: the short like to me, the NFL is like a

1167
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 6: two year window, like every like two years like a

1168
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 6: brand new campaign. And we're only in year one, right,

1169
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 6: We've only had one year of the love thing. We

1170
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 6: need another year of it. And then I think he

1171
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 6: deserves the full freight. We need to see a full

1172
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 6: season after all the tape we had last year. Can

1173
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 6: you build on it? Can you improve? If you can,

1174
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 6: then yes, you're worthy of Daniel Jones' money. But I

1175
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 6: think even the giants would say, man, yeah, really screw

1176
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 6: that one.

1177
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: Oh man, buyers are morse big time, real fast interest.

1178
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 2: Reminds me of Dion Sanders when he was on NFL

1179
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: Network and he'd do the highlights with rich Eisen.

1180
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 3: It was so good, but he would.

1181
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: Often say pay the man, you know, and we're saying

1182
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 2: the opposite. We're just saying wait to wait on paying

1183
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: the Yeah, don't pay the man.

1184
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 4: No.

1185
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: Just like in basketball, a successful game plan starts with

1186
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: the right players. The team at Tractor Supply brings hustle

1187
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: and heart, and that's what really sets them apart. So

1188
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: lace up your sneakers and make the winning play by

1189
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: heading to your local Tractor Supply store today and starting Monday,

1190
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: you can pre register for the Fox Sports Radio Bracket

1191
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: Challenge at Fox Sportsradio dot com, where listeners can compete

1192
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: with our hosts for bragging rights to see who has

1193
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: the better tourney bracket. All right, We've got Rich Hornberger,

1194
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: Penn State All American, Jared Smith FSR betting analyst.

1195
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: I'm Brian No coming up next.

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00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: Do we spend more time talking about anything less impactful

1197
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: than this? It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on

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00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here

1199
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. Now might sound like Captain Unfun

1200
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: over here, but I just want to throw this year away.

1201
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: You tell me if I'm crazy or not.

1202
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking at college basketball and right now

1203
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: and for the last couple of months, it's been high

1204
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: bubble talk, you know, a lot of bubble talk. These

1205
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 2: are the first four teams in, these are the last

1206
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: four teams out. And I just pause, especially this time

1207
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 2: of year, like clockwork, and I say, do we spend

1208
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: more time on anything less impactful than bubble talk? These

1209
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: teams that barely sneak into the tournament more times than not,

1210
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: they don't have deep runs. They could be one and done.

1211
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 2: You have some exceptions here and there, but we talk

1212
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 2: about this like these last teams sneaking in look Out,

1213
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: look Out. As an eleven seed, man, they're gonna just

1214
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: go crazy.

1215
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 3: I get it.

1216
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: If you have a dog in the fight, if you

1217
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 2: root for one of those teams you want, I'm gonna

1218
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: make the tournament. But if you don't have your favorite team,

1219
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: that's it on the bubble, just outside the tournament.

1220
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 3: I don't know why you care. I really don't.

1221
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 2: It's like these teams that are eighteen and twelve and

1222
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: I just think it's overdone.

1223
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna tell you it doesn't matter. I think

1224
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 3: it's overdone.

1225
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 2: It would be like spending day after day after day.

1226
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: If you turn on Sports Center and they're like, hey,

1227
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: let's bring in the equivalent of Joey Brackett's to preview

1228
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: the sixth round of the NFL Draft.

1229
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1230
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: You might have some diamonds in the rough, come out

1231
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,959
Speaker 2: but there are a lot of duds that don't pan out.

1232
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 3: Why would we spend that.

1233
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: Much time just talking about it, talking about it, talking

1234
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 2: about it.

1235
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 3: But we do every year with bubble talk. I think

1236
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: it's totally overdone.

1237
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 4: You know what. I completely agree with you.

1238
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 5: I completely agree with you, and I think, don't get

1239
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 5: me wrong. Right now, the way college football is currently

1240
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 5: set up with only four teams getting in, I know

1241
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 5: we're heading towards expansion. Like those conversations are real, Like

1242
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 5: the Florida State anger and outrage from the Seminoles fans.

1243
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 4: That's real.

1244
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 5: But when we're talking about we're talking about the difference

1245
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 5: between team numbers sixty five and sixty eight, and we're

1246
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 5: getting into the weeds with you know, advanced analytics and

1247
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 5: defensive APA and b D and look.

1248
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, get lost. I don't want to hear

1249
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 4: a single word of it. Be better, Like I get it.

1250
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 5: In college football, it's a legitimate gripe, you know, undefeated

1251
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 5: country champion.

1252
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all that makes sense to me.

1253
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 5: But when we're talking about the seventieth ranked team in

1254
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 5: the country going we got we got host, get lost,

1255
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 5: get lost.

1256
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 4: I love this.

1257
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 3: I didn't think.

1258
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 4: So.

1259
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 6: When I looked at the rundown, Usually Brian sends it

1260
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 6: out night before, I always skim it see if anything

1261
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 6: stands out to me. I was like, oh cool, bubble talk,

1262
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 6: march maddness. I did not expect this to be the

1263
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 6: segment that Rich got the most.

1264
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 3: Fired up about today.

1265
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 4: I know that was the long shot on the list

1266
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 4: for me.

1267
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, yeah, Rich will give us two

1268
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 6: cents and I'll give some nerd to.

1269
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 4: Talk about bubbles and we'll just move on.

1270
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 3: This is this is a Rich Arburger show. Now, Okay,

1271
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 3: here's what I'll say.

1272
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 6: I agree that there isn't a lot of like, Okay,

1273
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 6: these teams like Utah right now is the hot button

1274
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 6: team because they just got blasted by or in State

1275
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 6: the other night, who's like terrible, and they're on the bubble.

1276
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 3: So everyone's like, well, Utah, it doesn't deserve to be in.

1277
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 3: You're right. If Utah gets in.

1278
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 6: Let's say they make a run in the back twelve

1279
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 6: tournament next week, they get in, it's not like they're

1280
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 6: going to the final four. It's ironic that their record

1281
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 6: is eighteen and twelve, which is just perfect in this

1282
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 6: scenario because that's the record, you guys have said, and

1283
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 6: it does. The first place my brain went here was

1284
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 6: next year's collet to a playoff committee.

1285
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 3: When we go to twelve and it's like, all right,

1286
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 3: now we have to.

1287
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 6: It's a little bit easier to talk about the differences,

1288
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 6: identify the differences between the fourth team and the fifteen

1289
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,919
Speaker 6: when you start going further down on the list, all

1290
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 6: of the teams have warts. How do you grade Utah's

1291
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 6: warts compared to like another outlier trying? I think it's

1292
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 6: like Colorado dra couple of the at large teams, Texas

1293
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 6: A and M.

1294
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 3: How do we grade their warts?

1295
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 6: They play at a different conference, different level of competition,

1296
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 6: different this, different that.

1297
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 3: How do we grade that compared to another team's warts?

1298
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 6: Every team has warps, it's only in my opinion, there's

1299
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 6: only three teams that have like perfect complexion in college basketball.

1300
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 6: This year it's Yukon, its Houston, it's Purdue. Like besides

1301
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 6: those three teams, every team in college hoops you could

1302
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 6: pick something out and say, you know what, they're not

1303
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 6: a Final four team. And I think now that we're

1304
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 6: getting further down the list, where in college basketball it's

1305
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 6: like in reality it's like the fortieth best team because

1306
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 6: there's a bunch of at large qualifiers, right, or a

1307
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 6: bunch of automatic qualifiers. There's really only like thirty four,

1308
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 6: thirty five I think at large, So we're talking about

1309
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 6: like the thirty fifth, thirty six, thirty seventh best team. Yeah,

1310
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 6: those teams are gonna have wars. Some of them might

1311
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 6: just stink and they just had a really good stretch

1312
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 6: and a high major conference, but the majority is they're bad.

1313
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 6: So yeah, there's a lot of unnecessary, a lot of

1314
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 6: filler with these bubble conversations, kind of what's inside of

1315
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 6: a bubble air?

1316
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there you go exactly. They're just knocked down,

1317
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 2: drag out arguments. And I just raise my hand every

1318
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: year and I'm like, why do we care this much?

1319
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 5: Shit?

1320
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 3: It'd be like if you're compare.

1321
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 2: During the equivalent of bubble teams in other sports, or

1322
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 2: if we're talking NFL quarterbacks. Right, we're talking mediocre teams,

1323
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: So let's talk mediocre quarterbacks. Do we ever have knockdown,

1324
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 2: drag out arguments? Who's the better quarterback? Is it Gardner

1325
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: Minshew or is it Raiders rookie Aiden O'Connell.

1326
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 9: It's like who cares.

1327
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 2: Why would we spend a bunch of time talking about

1328
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: that when it doesn't really matter. But bubble talk, not

1329
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 2: high impact, but high volume, lots of conversations about it.

1330
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 3: I never get it.

1331
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 4: And listen, don't get me wrong.

1332
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 5: You can have a special season, like a couple of

1333
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 5: years ago, a UCLA team of Bruins team who goes

1334
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 5: from first four to what was it?

1335
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah we eight.

1336
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 4: The first four to the yeah, final four. I think

1337
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 4: we've seen you think of the so like it happens.

1338
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it doesn't happen. And that's what makes

1339
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 4: March very rare, very rare.

1340
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 5: But that's what makes March so special is you have

1341
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 5: the cinderellas, even sometimes where it's a blue blood having

1342
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 5: a down year and they pull it all together like

1343
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 5: at U c l A. My example, Like it's fun.

1344
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 5: That's what makes it fun. But I agree with you,

1345
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 5: there's a lot of wasted breath over this. In fact,

1346
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 5: you know, you know what's so crazy is I'm so

1347
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 5: passionate about this that I'm.

1348
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 4: Actually upset that I'm spending this much time complaining about it,

1349
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 4: Like I just wait, what's up? What's up that? So?

1350
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 4: Why are we talking Tyson, Jake Paul, Let's get to that.

1351
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 6: For the land, you want to talk about wasted breath.

1352
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 6: That's putting those two things back to back. This is

1353
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 6: the This is the best producing job of bo and

1354
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 6: and Bryan's career right here. But in these two stories

1355
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 6: back to back to the final talk on bubbles, there

1356
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 6: is going to be one of these teams that makes

1357
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 6: a run. And frankly, from the gambling perspective, I would

1358
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 6: rather nobody talks about these teams because if nobody's talking

1359
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 6: about them, that means the number is either fair or

1360
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 6: frankly undervalued on these you know, off the radar team

1361
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 6: that just slide into the tournament and then all of

1362
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 6: a sudden they get swoldering hot, and those are the

1363
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 6: best teams to bet on because the numbers are just

1364
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 6: so wrong. So my advice to all the talking heads

1365
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 6: over the next two weeks, don't talk about the bubble teams.

1366
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 6: Just let the committee do their thing. We'll see what

1367
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 6: the field is and then we'll react accordingly.

1368
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 2: You know, we'll see if one Isaac Lowenkron follows suit

1369
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 2: with that, you know, maybe there'll be a bunch of

1370
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 2: bubble teams in this update, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Let's find out. I low with the label.

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01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 8: I don't really bother with bubble teams, to be honest.

1373
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 4: With you, never has, never will Bubbles.

1374
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 9: Sorry to burst your power anyway.

1375
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 4: I knew it.

1376
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 8: We'll start with an enna as listeners all across America

1377
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 8: roll their eyes virtually out of their sockets. We'll start

1378
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 8: with an NFL tidbit that just came across NFL media,

1379
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 8: just reporting with Cincinnati Bengals resigning offensive lineman Cody Ford

1380
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 8: to a one year deal in the NBA. On Friday night,

1381
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 8: the Los Angeles Lakers, without Lebron James because of a

1382
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 8: left ankle injury, knocked off the Milwaukee Bucks one twenty

1383
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 8: three to one twenty two thanks to di'angelo Russell season

1384
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 8: I forty four points, eight in the last minute and

1385
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 8: thirteen seconds, including the game winning basket with five point

1386
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 8: nine to play. He had nine three pointers also had

1387
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 8: nine assists. The Oklahoma City Thunder defeated the Miami Heat

1388
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 8: what oh seven to one hundred to take over the

1389
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 8: best record of the Western Conference at forty four and nineteen.

1390
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 8: The New York Knicks defeated the Orlando Magic ninety eight

1391
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 8: seventy four, breaking Orlando's five game winning streak. But get this,

1392
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 8: the seventy four points by the Magic the fewest points

1393
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 8: scored by any NBA team all season long. Cavaliers over

1394
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 8: the Timberwolves at overytime one thirteen to one oh four,

1395
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 8: But with under thirty seconds left in the fourth quarter

1396
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 8: of this game and the Tea Wolves leading by one,

1397
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 8: Minnesota's Rudy Gobert was called for a foul then made

1398
01:08:56,280 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 8: the money gesture at the officials as that result in

1399
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 8: a technical foul that gave Cleveland the game tying free throw.

1400
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 8: After the game, go Bear told reporters, and I quote

1401
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 8: referees make mistakes. Sometimes I think it's more than mistakes.

1402
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 8: I think everyone that's in this league knows. I'll bite

1403
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 8: the bullet again. I'll be the bad guy again. That

1404
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 8: speaks what I think is the truth. They're probably going

1405
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 8: to find me, but I think it's hurting our game.

1406
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,759
Speaker 8: I know the betting and all that is becoming bigger

1407
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 8: and bigger, but it shouldn't feel that way. Just let

1408
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 8: the players decide.

1409
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 9: The game fell back to you.

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01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 3: Thank you, I lo it is Fox Sports Radios count sorry.

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01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 4: Let me rewind you go hops up football season already?

1412
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,560
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, old have it?

1413
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 4: Old have it?

1414
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 3: Probably have it a spring forward? Yeah the show?

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01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 4: Allright?

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Speaker 2: card limitations apply. So Mike Tyson Iron Mike at one

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01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: point the baddest man on the planet, taking on social

1423
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 2: media star turned boxer Jake Paul. This is about at

1424
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 2: Jerry World on July twentieth on Netflix. Huh Yeah, we're

1425
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 2: gonna have it on Netflix over here, and Tyson will

1426
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: be fifty eight years old when the fight, when fight

1427
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 2: night rolls around here on Netflix. Wow, what do you

1428
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 2: think about this fifty eight getting back in the ring?

1429
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, thirty years his opponent senior fifty eight. Recent video

1430
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 5: of Mike Tyson training showcasing he still has other world

1431
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 5: lead power. That guy has dynamite for fists. I watched

1432
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 5: every single fight of Mike Tyson's career, whether it was

1433
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 5: during his actual career afterward as an adult rewatching some

1434
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 5: of these bouts. I'm a huge Mike Tyson fan, always

1435
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 5: has been. I'm a big boxing fan from when the

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01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 5: heavy heavyweight class was hotly contested with Tyson and Evander

1437
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 5: Holyfield and uh and Lennox Lewis and that that era was,

1438
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 5: you know, Uh, that was where I cut my teeth

1439
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 5: in the fight game. I what I hope to see

1440
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 5: is what I think everybody hopes to see. What is

1441
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 5: what we saw when Anthony Joshua win against Francis and

1442
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 5: Ganu most recently and knocked him cold in the second round.

1443
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 5: There there are transferable skills when you go from MMA

1444
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 5: to a boxing ring. However, Anthony Joshua is an assassin.

1445
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 5: He's got serious ko power. Those are sixty ounds and

1446
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 5: he put it on him like that's that was a

1447
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 5: sniper going against a guy with a pea shooter who

1448
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 5: has muscles. Now, don't get me wrong, if and Gano

1449
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 5: got a hold of Anthony Joshua, I'm sure he could

1450
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 5: have knocked him out too, But it's a different game.

1451
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 4: It is a different game.

1452
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 5: And now I don't know what the skills are to

1453
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 5: be like a YouTube star, but I know that they

1454
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 5: aren't transferable to the boxing ring. Now, people who know

1455
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 5: the fight game better than me have said that Jake

1456
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 5: Paul can seriously crack like this guy. He's a dangerous fighter.

1457
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 5: You know, one punch can determine and tire about all

1458
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 5: those things. I understand all that, but this is Mike

1459
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 5: freakin Ticon. That is like a caged line. If I'm

1460
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 5: just I'm saying, I'm hoping he unloads. I'm hoping we

1461
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 5: see an actual fight, and this isn't like an exhibition

1462
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,759
Speaker 5: where these two guys are out there brother in lawing

1463
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 5: it because and it's not even because I hate Jake Paul.

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01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 5: It's not because I dislike the fact that he's been

1465
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 5: picking off retired fighters who are looking for a paycheck,

1466
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 5: and that very well may be the case here. I

1467
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 5: really want to see him measured up against someone who

1468
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,799
Speaker 5: I still think has world class talent in his fists

1469
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 5: and can probably put a herding on Jake Paul.

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Speaker 4: Be very interesting to see the outcome of this fight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I didn't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'd be lying if I said I'm keeping

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01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 6: up with Jake Paul's fights. Obviously, we know Mike Tyson is,

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01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 6: you know, I don't want to say the goat of boxing,

1475
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 6: but he's certainly in that upper echelon for sure, maybe

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01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 6: on the mount rushmore. The last exciting time where I

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01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 6: remember boxing in my life was the Tyson holy Field stuff. Like,

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01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:43,919
Speaker 6: I haven't been into it in a while. It's obviously

1479
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 6: a sport that I think is more of a spectator

1480
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 6: sport at this stage of my life where I'd be

1481
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 6: interested in attending boxing matches, But the operation of how

1482
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 6: they get planned, and then of course just the weird

1483
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 6: nuances of this belt, this title, anction fight, this guy

1484
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 6: and this guy, and like the way the construction of

1485
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 6: how boxing matches are kind of put together by these promoters.

1486
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 6: It's gotten so twisted and like mutated, it's really hard

1487
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 6: to keep track of. For example, we have no idea

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01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 6: if this fight is going to be a sanctioned fight,

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01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 6: professional or an exhibition. We still don't know, and I

1490
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 6: don't think we will know for quite some time. So

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01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,440
Speaker 6: I think there's going to be a level of excitement

1492
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,879
Speaker 6: about this that draws eyeballs. But to your Guy's point,

1493
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 6: when the ding ding ding happens, I'm not sure how

1494
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 6: exciting it's going to be and frankly, how much it's

1495
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 6: actually going to mean in terms of is it even

1496
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 6: a real fight or are these guys just kind of

1497
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 6: going out there to put on a show and make

1498
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 6: their quota, make their money and let Jerry's world have

1499
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 6: an event for the night. Like I just I hope

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01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 6: it's not that, because it could be really exciting. Plus

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 6: a fifty eight year old fighting a guy at what

1502
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 6: who's twenty seven, Like that to me is intriguing.

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01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 3: I don't think they can sanction that.

1504
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 4: I don't think so so either.

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01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 3: But if they don't, like, where's the intrigue here?

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01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 2: Right?

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01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because it's Iron Mike. Yeah, that's it. It's

1508
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 3: Iron Mike.

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01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 2: The last time he fought was twenty twenty against Roy

1510
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 2: Jones Junior. And at first I was rolling my eyes,

1511
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 2: like why would I even think about watching this?

1512
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 3: And I saw a movie trailer kind of like promotion

1513
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 3: of it, and I'm like, oh, man, I can't I

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01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 3: see this.

1515
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 6: It's like a median An Entourage, Like I'll watch the trailers.

1516
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 3: Great, yeah, yeah movie.

1517
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 2: So this is I can understand how people are gonna

1518
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: roll their eyes and be like another one of these really,

1519
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: But come fight night and you see a preview, and

1520
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 2: I'll be Iron Mike again. I'll absolutely be watching this,

1521
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 2: no doubt. It's funny too because it just might reminded

1522
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 2: me of Michael Jordan. There were conversations, Hey, could Jordan

1523
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 2: drop like ten twenty points in today's NBA fifties?

1524
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

1525
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 2: It's like, I wonder if we're gonna start saying the

1526
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 2: same things about Tyson when he's fifty eight after this

1527
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 2: fight here, you know, like what else could he do?

1528
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 3: But we'll have to see what happens when fight night

1529
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 3: it's around.

1530
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 2: We've got Rich Orenberger, Penn State All American, Jared Smith

1531
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 2: FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No coming up next.

1532
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 3: Prop it Up.

1533
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 2: So many prop bet opportunities today in this weekend and

1534
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 2: college hoops in the NBA. We'll discuss some of them.

1535
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 2: It's Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.

1536
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 2: It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.

1537
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 2: A lot of prop bet opportunities. Let's dive into this.

1538
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,560
Speaker 1: Prop it up player plays.

1539
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 3: Okay, Jared, We'll start with you. What's on your mind here?

1540
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: Man?

1541
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:40,520
Speaker 6: I'm so excited for college basketball player props because these markets,

1542
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 6: they're all over the map, Like you could get like

1543
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 6: one guy lined at thirteen fourteen points in one shop

1544
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 6: and inn like twelve at another shop. So it just

1545
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 6: it it's really hard to price them. And I think

1546
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 6: especially today, right last day of the regular season, or

1547
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 6: anyone who's playing tomorrow, there's another day, but anyone who's

1548
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 6: playing today last game of the regular season. Some teams

1549
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 6: really they only care about the postseason. You know who's

1550
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 6: one of those teams Yukon, and they've got a tough

1551
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,799
Speaker 6: game today at Providence, who's a very.

1552
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 4: Good, defensive minded team.

1553
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 6: The Priors have had some injury problems this year with

1554
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 6: Hopkins going out early. They're fighting for the NCAA tournament. Still,

1555
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 6: Kim English has done a good job, and I don't

1556
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 6: think Yukon really cares a whole lot to put their

1557
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 6: stars out there and put them in harm's way. So

1558
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 6: we're gonna take Donovan Klingon, the big man for Yukon,

1559
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 6: and we're gonna go under twelve and a half points.

1560
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 6: So he has faced Providence four times in his career.

1561
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 6: He's not even gotten to thirteen once twelve seven zero

1562
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 6: seven and over the course of this season, he hasn't

1563
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 6: been like this dominant score.

1564
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:36,919
Speaker 4: He's actually gone under twelve.

1565
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 6: And a half points in fourteen out of the twenty

1566
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 6: five games this year, so more than fifty percent. And again,

1567
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 6: if you're up late, you're con If you're down late,

1568
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 6: you're resting your starters getting ready for the biggiest tournament,

1569
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 6: the NCAA Tournament. Donovan Klington under twelve and a half

1570
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 6: points at Providence Tech.

1571
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 4: All right, I got two for you.

1572
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 5: I got I got Boston facing the Phoenix Suns. Jason

1573
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 5: Tatum has been app absltly phenomenal so far this season.

1574
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 5: I'm gonna stay in the NBA with my second pick

1575
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 5: as well, but Jason Tatum taking the over twenty six

1576
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 5: and a half points.

1577
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 4: That's going to be.

1578
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 5: Tonight on the West Coast. It's a late start on

1579
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,600
Speaker 5: the East Coast, which I do think favors Boston in

1580
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 5: this one. Suns have to travel. The other game that

1581
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 5: I'm looking at is Clippers taking on Chicago. This one's

1582
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 5: in La, an earlier start one pm West Coast time.

1583
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 5: Another way that this game favors the home team and early.

1584
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 4: Start for Chicago.

1585
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 5: I got Kawhi Leonard going over twenty five and a

1586
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 5: half points in that one.

1587
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,440
Speaker 4: It's been kind of a slow season.

1588
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 5: For Kawhi not I mean, look, he's a superlative player,

1589
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 5: He's a great in this league, but just not a.

1590
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 4: Lot of headlines.

1591
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 5: Lebron James being in LA steals a lot of the

1592
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 5: thunder from the Clippers. Like always, it feels like they're

1593
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 5: the stepchild to the Lakers. But I like the way

1594
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 5: Kawi has been playing. I think he I think he's

1595
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 5: going to load up on points tonight twenty five and

1596
01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 5: a half.

1597
01:18:58,400 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 4: Give me the over on that one as well.

1598
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 2: You remember the old Arrowsmith song We're living on the edge. Yeah, yeah,

1599
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 2: I just had a flashback to Beavis and butt Head

1600
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 2: where they were watching that video and butt Head goes,

1601
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 2: these guys are living on the edge of woos Cliff.

1602
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:21,440
Speaker 4: Such a beavish line.

1603
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 2: One of the best lines of all time on that show.

1604
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna live on the edge here.

1605
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 4: Luka.

1606
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 2: Doncic has been on a heater, he's been on a tear.

1607
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 2: He's been a triple double machine, putting up numbers left

1608
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 2: and right. They're taking on the Pistons today. I'm gonna

1609
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 2: go under thirty four and a half points for Luka Doncic.

1610
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 2: This could be a boat race that could This could

1611
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,719
Speaker 2: be a little bit of a spread the wealth type

1612
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 2: game to the degree where it's not like Luca's gonna

1613
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 2: have thirteen points or something like that, but just don't

1614
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 2: exceed thirty four and a half. I think it could

1615
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 2: happen today. I like that angle. So I'm gonna live

1616
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 2: on the edge and take Luca under thirty four and

1617
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 2: a half points.

1618
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 5: I tell you what we are. Our brains are in

1619
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 5: the same place. I almost took that under this close.

1620
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 4: That is amazing, bounderous.

1621
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're dangerous today.

1622
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 4: Very good.

1623
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 2: Just something about the discomfort of taking an under at times.

1624
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're you're ahead to your not yep, come

1625
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 2: it up. They might look great now, but history says

1626
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 2: that'll change soon.

1627
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 4: Man.

1628
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,879
Speaker 2: It is a reminder that things can go south pretty quickly.

1629
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 2: I've been reading all this stuff leading up to the

1630
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 2: NFL Draft, and occasionally I'll read something and I'm like,

1631
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 2: holy cow, I never made that connection.

1632
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 3: But if you look at the twenty twenty one.

1633
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 2: NFL Draft, that's the draft where you had five first

1634
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 2: round quarterbacks taken. That was the Trevor Lawrence draft, followed

1635
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 2: by Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Mac Jones, and

1636
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 2: I don't know what I read, where I read it whatever,

1637
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 2: but it was like, yeah, four of these five guys

1638
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 2: might have to find new homes this offseason. You think

1639
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: about that, the Jets are trying to trade Zach Wilson,

1640
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 2: He's gonna be elsewhere, right, I don't know if he's gonna.

1641
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 3: Be traded or released.

1642
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 2: Trey Lance, who's with the Cowboys right now, he'd be

1643
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 2: on his third team, right He's been in the league

1644
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 2: for three years. This would be his third team if

1645
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 2: he goes elsewhere. Justin Fields, Bears quarterback, looks like he's

1646
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,520
Speaker 2: definitely gonna be traded, and Mac Jones with the Patriots,

1647
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 2: he's gonna be elsewhere. I bring this up because think

1648
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 2: about that twenty twenty one, This is just three years ago,

1649
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,919
Speaker 2: and four of these top five guys in that draft

1650
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 2: are gonna be somewhere else. To this point, most of

1651
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 2: them have been busts. I think Zach Wilson bust, Trey

1652
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 2: Lance bust to this point, Justin Field's disappointment, Mac Jones disappointment.

1653
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 2: And so if you take that and apply it to

1654
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 2: this year's draft. This is typically the way it goes

1655
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 2: leading up to the draft.

1656
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 3: To man, these guys look great.

1657
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams looks awesome, Jaydon Daniels man, he might be

1658
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 2: a baller, Drake May who he's got the goods. Hey,

1659
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 2: maybe Bo Nicks, I don't know, maybe JJ McCarthy. Everybody

1660
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 2: looks good before the draft.

1661
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 3: Great, I'm getting drafted, right.

1662
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jared Smith might be drafted in this thing. Who

1663
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 2: knows he throws a deep ball with precision. But look

1664
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 2: at last year. Bryce Young looked great at Alabama and

1665
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 2: then last season in Carolina happened.

1666
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,520
Speaker 3: And you're like, I don't know anymore.

1667
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 2: It's just something to keep in mind while we're looking

1668
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 2: at the twenty twenty four class here.

1669
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I think you nailed it.

1670
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 5: I think when look and you're a smart guy, sir,

1671
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 5: you Jared, you know how this game works.

1672
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 4: It's liar's poker.

1673
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 5: It's there's a lot of smoke, and some of it

1674
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 5: is negative. Like I think, frankly, the reports that came

1675
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 5: out about Caleb Williams early in the draft process, and

1676
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 5: I'm talking about even while he was still playing, Like

1677
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams won't go to.

1678
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 4: Chicago if they have the first overall pick.

1679
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:08,440
Speaker 5: You remember that one, and Caleb never really answered the questions,

1680
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 5: and I don't know if anybody really one hundred percent

1681
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 5: flat out asked him either.

1682
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 4: But here's the crazy thing about that.

1683
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 5: As soon as I saw that report, I'm like, you know,

1684
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 5: I don't know how much stock I can put into

1685
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 5: that because maybe it's the commanders who are floating that

1686
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 5: out there.

1687
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 4: You know what the commanders executively go.

1688
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what I've heard and listen, you

1689
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 5: could you could do with this information what you want, wink.

1690
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,719
Speaker 5: But if the Bears do get that first overall pick,

1691
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 5: Caleb's not going to Chicago. He's gonna pull an Eli Manning. Yeah,

1692
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 5: he's going to force his way to I don't know,

1693
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 5: maybe DC. Like you know, it's like one of those

1694
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,919
Speaker 5: things where you know, you don't know where these reports

1695
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 5: come from, so you don't know if you could trust them. Also,

1696
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 5: you don't know where all the positivity is coming from.

1697
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 5: Some of it's coming from analysts, but some of these

1698
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 5: analysts rely on the sources within these front offices where

1699
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 5: it's going to change their opinions of how they're seeing

1700
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 5: these players. So you'll see and I'm not gonna name

1701
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 5: names because of these guys, like these guys could have

1702
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 5: their own process, but like a Dane Brugler or a

1703
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 5: Mike Mayock.

1704
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 4: Or you know, or name them, you know what I mean, Daniel.

1705
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 5: Jeremiah who get on television or they'll get on a

1706
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 5: podcast and they'll start talking about a player who they've

1707
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 5: they've given analysis over, you know, like, look, hey, here's

1708
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 5: what I've seen on film. Now, all of a sudden

1709
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 5: they transition to here's what I'm hearing from front offices.

1710
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 4: They love this guy.

1711
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 5: He interviewed amazingly at the combine. This happened with this player.

1712
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, there's a lot of steam around

1713
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 5: a lot of these quarterbacks because guess what, what they're

1714
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 5: trying to do. What NFL teams try to do is

1715
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 5: they try to diminish the stars they want to draft,

1716
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 5: and they try to boost up the star of other

1717
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 5: players around the player they want to draft.

1718
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 4: This way, other.

1719
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 5: Teams feel like, uh, oh, it's a feeding frenzy on

1720
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy. We better take a closer look, And all

1721
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 5: of a sudden, somebody drafts him over you know, his

1722
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 5: projected value on somebody else's war room draft board, and

1723
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 5: then they can scoop up Drake May out of value position.

1724
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:18,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the NFL Draft.

1725
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 6: So if you want to talk about a brief history

1726
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 6: of me betting the NFL Draft, it hasn't been around.

1727
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 6: First of all, the betting markets in this particular event

1728
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 6: have not been around that long. It was really easy

1729
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty. There was nothing else to bet on.

1730
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 6: Everyone was talking about it. The lines were not very good,

1731
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 6: and then things got a little harder. You know why,

1732
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 6: because the market's adjust, right, That's just the way it works.

1733
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 6: And the way that the markets have really adjusted is

1734
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 6: the reaction to this information. For example, and I will

1735
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 6: give you an example that is high profile, and not

1736
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 6: only the player, but also the analyst that was giving

1737
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 6: out the information, and the information was so wrong, and

1738
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 6: boyd I lose a lot of money on this last year.

1739
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 6: Peter Schrager, love them, those fantastic work with the NFL network.

1740
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 6: The information last year that he was giving out that

1741
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 6: he was getting from the Texans front office directly, and

1742
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 6: I don't I trust his sources.

1743
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 4: He's got great sources. The Texans are passing on CJ. Strout.

1744
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,799
Speaker 3: They don't want a quarterback, they don't want them, they.

1745
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 4: Don't like them. They're passing. What did they do? They

1746
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 4: drafted c J.

1747
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 10: Strout?

1748
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 4: Like I just, I think, and this is all we heard,

1749
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 4: and all I heard the entire pre draft process. Yeah,

1750
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 4: the Texans are passing on CJ. Strout. They don't want

1751
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 4: a quarterback. They're passing. They're passing, they're passing.

1752
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 6: I was betting Will Levis unders I was betting CJ.

1753
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 6: Stroud not to be drafted here. The information was bad,

1754
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,879
Speaker 6: and it wasn't Peter's fault. He was reporting the information

1755
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 6: he was given. The information was bad. It was bad

1756
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 6: for a reason. Why because the Texans didn't want anybody

1757
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 6: else looking at CJ. Stroud Because if they tell people

1758
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 6: they don't want him, maybe one less team will give.

1759
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 3: That quarterback to due diligence and they'll move on to another.

1760
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 6: Right, Like I just, I think that is the way

1761
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 6: of this market. Everything you hear you need to be

1762
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 6: highly highly just. I don't know if I trust it.

1763
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 6: Just scrutinize everything because the information that we get from

1764
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 6: these teams, while we trust the sources, it is meant

1765
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 6: to dupe you and put you onto a different path.

1766
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 6: That's called bluffing. That's poker, right, and that's how these

1767
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 6: teams are run these days. And man, last year, that

1768
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 6: whole high profile situation with CJ. Stroud and the Texans

1769
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,480
Speaker 6: is the prime example of it.

1770
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 2: It really would be like if the reporter went up

1771
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 2: to a poker player at the table Jesse said, Hey,

1772
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 2: what's your starting hand?

1773
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 3: And he was like, I'm sitting on.

1774
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 2: Right, And so the reporters like, hey, nine to five

1775
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 2: off suit, that's according to my sources. And he's got

1776
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 2: pocket kings, you know what I mean. Like, that's what

1777
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 2: happens with the NFL draft. There's something that Aaron Rodgers

1778
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 2: said this week. He was on a podcast. He was

1779
01:27:55,320 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 2: on Keep Hammering Collective, and he was talking about some

1780
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 2: of the elite throws that he's made and what it

1781
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 2: takes to make some of those throws. And I just

1782
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 2: found it interesting as it relates to the NFL Draft,

1783
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 2: and you think about all these guys in the upcoming

1784
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 2: draft and what is required of them to truly excel

1785
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 2: at the NFL level.

1786
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 3: So listen to Rogers will react to it here.

1787
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 10: He is just all goes back to practice and remembering

1788
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 10: reps and remembering what it feels like, and kind of

1789
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 10: storm goes away. So in the moment, you're like, I've

1790
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 10: made this though before I gotta throw a backshoulder ball

1791
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 10: to Jordi in a low spot on tight coverage where

1792
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 10: they're even in the red zone order for him to

1793
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 10: make this play, or I gotta throw this ball high.

1794
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 10: Like in seventeen, We're playing Dallas and I throw a

1795
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 10: semi back shoulder ball to Davante. But I realized the

1796
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 10: way the defender was playing, the only ball that I

1797
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 10: could slip in on the back shoulder was a ball

1798
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 10: above the shoulders. So in the moment as I hold

1799
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:00,759
Speaker 10: the safety, you know, down the middle and then to DeVante,

1800
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 10: I know this ball's got to be about eight feet

1801
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 10: off the ground and in a semi back shoulder to

1802
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 10: be completed. So to be able to like feel what

1803
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 10: that feels like to get it up in that spot

1804
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 10: with the right velocity and the right placement. It just

1805
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 10: goes back to stuff you've worked on in practice.

1806
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 2: It blows my mind where it's not a complete back shoulder,

1807
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 2: it's semi back shoulder. Gotta be specifically eight feet off

1808
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 2: the ground.

1809
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 3: You hear this all the time in the NFL.

1810
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 2: Throwing receivers open, throwing guys open, that's what it is.

1811
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 3: There are so many completions.

1812
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 2: Where it's like, is there any space to get the

1813
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 2: receiver of the ball, And it's like the special ones

1814
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 2: they find some space. But as it relates to the

1815
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 2: NFL Draft, that's what blows my mind is projecting what

1816
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 2: a quarterback will become in the NFL when the requirements

1817
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 2: of being special are so much greater than college. If

1818
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 2: you look at some of these tight window throws, a

1819
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 2: lot of time doesn't exist in college, and that's the

1820
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 2: requirement in the NFL. So to try to figure out

1821
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 2: who's going to become what when they haven't had to

1822
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 2: do it at the same rate in college, I just

1823
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 2: think sometimes we talk ourselves into I saw a couple

1824
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 2: of highlights this guy Bay, he's got the talent, and

1825
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, but is it going to translate when

1826
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 2: the requirements are so much greater. I might be a

1827
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 2: good student in high school when it's not a whole

1828
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 2: lot was required.

1829
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean I'm.

1830
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 2: Going to automatically thrive in college or when I'm trying

1831
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 2: to get my doctorate or you know what I mean, Like,

1832
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 2: that's the way it works with quarterbacks from college to

1833
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 2: the NFL.

1834
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 5: That's true of every single position, and it's more consequential

1835
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 5: with the quarterbacks because they're the highest paid on the

1836
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 5: field for a reason, and everything we know about quarterback play,

1837
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 5: not just in terms of football, but it being arguably

1838
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 5: the most difficult and most important position across all of

1839
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 5: sports in any team sport, that all of the criticism

1840
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 5: and all of the praise is warranted to a greater

1841
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 5: or lesser degree, although I do think as a sports

1842
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 5: viewing culture we overdo it sometimes, but this is true

1843
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:13,759
Speaker 5: of every position.

1844
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 4: Like you don't talk about it because it's boring as not.

1845
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 5: But as an offensive lineman coming out of college, I mean,

1846
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 5: I remember the biggest difference of being coached by Dante Scarnekia,

1847
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 5: for example, who is the offensive line coach in New

1848
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 5: England versus my offensive line coaches at Penn State, was

1849
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 5: one day, I'll give you an example of one day,

1850
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 5: and I won't bore you here, but one day we

1851
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 5: were talking about a certain step that you need to

1852
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 5: take on a certain block to achieve the outcome that

1853
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 5: you're looking to achieve in the run game. We're talking

1854
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 5: about one step. We had a forty five minute discussion

1855
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:58,839
Speaker 5: over one step, the angle at which you're taking that step,

1856
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 5: far from your body. You're taking that step, so your

1857
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 5: initial framework, you know, you're standing with your feet about

1858
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 5: shoulder with apart, so exactly how many inches you're going

1859
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 5: to step with that foot? And then he opened up

1860
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 5: the forum to include commentary from the rest of the

1861
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 5: offensive line group. Veteran players started weighing in on the

1862
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 5: offensive line. We all took it so seriously because as

1863
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 5: an offensive lineman in the NFL, you're a technician. You're

1864
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 5: playing against elite athletes who are going to have the

1865
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 5: athletic advantage over you. So how do you out do

1866
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 5: or outplay a player who's who's going to be a

1867
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 5: better athlete than you, stronger, faster, Well, you have to

1868
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 5: out technique them, and so we obsessed over Legitimately, the

1869
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 5: debate was between maybe ten degrees of angle on that

1870
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 5: first step, and the debate was over maybe two inches

1871
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 5: of distance taken with that step, what depth you're going

1872
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 5: to take with that step. We had a forty five

1873
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 5: minute discussion over it, and I don't know if it

1874
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 5: determined the outcome of games, but I promise you at

1875
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 5: the determined outcome of moments, and it determined the outcome

1876
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 5: of teaching moments at practice, and it determined the outcome

1877
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 5: of how things were repped.

1878
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 4: And that is just pounded into your head.

1879
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 5: So when Aaron Rodgers talks about eight feet off the

1880
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 5: ground back shoulder, but not really back shoulder, I know

1881
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 5: exactly what he's talking about because you hyper fixate on

1882
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 5: every little detail at that level because you have the

1883
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 5: time and the patience, and you're surrounded by people who

1884
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 5: have the time and the patience to obsess over these things.

1885
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 4: And that's how you get great. That's how you get great.

1886
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 5: And so you're right coming out of that at the

1887
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 5: college game and going into the pros. It's like graduating

1888
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 5: from high school and going to Harvard. You're swimming with

1889
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 5: the sharks. Can you keep up? And for a lot

1890
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 5: of players' answer is.

1891
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:56,719
Speaker 4: No, Yeah. I love the mental side of the game.

1892
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 6: I obviously the physical side eluded me once I got

1893
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 6: past high school. That was about where I could compete physically. Mentally, though,

1894
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 6: I still feel like I can mentally hang with a

1895
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 6: lot of these guys at the quarterback position if I

1896
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 6: was just given the chance, but physically is where it's star,

1897
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 6: I think mentally you could And that's why I think

1898
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 6: this goes back to the Caleb Williams stuff right, Like,

1899
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 6: no one is doubting Caleb Williams's physical attributes.

1900
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:21,600
Speaker 4: Like he is.

1901
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 6: If you want to talk about the check marks for

1902
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 6: all the boxes number one pick, he checks them all.

1903
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 6: The only thing we're debating is culture, chemistry, right, mental stuff.

1904
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:32,919
Speaker 3: The crying, which I know is overblown.

1905
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 6: I know we're gonna talk like, but that's what we're

1906
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 6: talking about because I think that's what separates the good

1907
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 6: from the great. There are a lot of incredibly talented,

1908
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 6: gifted Johnny Manziel, just imagine how great he could have

1909
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 6: been if he took the mental side of.

1910
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:50,520
Speaker 4: The game more seriously.

1911
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 6: Sure, and I think a lot of the players that

1912
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 6: are coming up through the ranks, they're not gonna listen

1913
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 6: to me, they don't really care what my advice is.

1914
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 6: But to me, it's it's these guys are all physically gifted. Like,

1915
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 6: you don't get a Division one scholarship to play college

1916
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 6: football unless you're physically gifted. It's the stuff that goes

1917
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,759
Speaker 6: on when no one else is watching behind the scenes.

1918
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 3: That makes you the great.

1919
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 6: And I like, from the gambling perspective, this is all

1920
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 6: I do is stare at numbers all day. Like I

1921
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 6: could be out hanging out with my friends and doing

1922
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 6: whatever I want, But on a Tuesday at eight am,

1923
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 6: I am sitting at my desk staring at a gajillion

1924
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 6: numbers go across the screen because there's a chance one

1925
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 6: of them pops and I find an amazing bet. But

1926
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 6: odds are I'm not going to like odds are that

1927
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 6: one step bridge that you guys talked about for an

1928
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 6: hour is not going to impact the game.

1929
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:44,719
Speaker 3: But there's a chance that it does.

1930
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 6: And if that's the case, I Am not gonna let

1931
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 6: anything slip through the cracks. And that is the mentality,

1932
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 6: that is the Mamba mentality that I think some of

1933
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 6: these young kids don't have when they're coming up because

1934
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 6: they just rely on their physical tools so much. But

1935
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 6: they're there's another level to it that Aaron Rodgers understands

1936
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 6: a lot of the greats do, maybe some don't, And

1937
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 6: that's to me what separates good from great.

1938
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 2: Hey, just like in basketball, a successful game plan starts

1939
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:15,719
Speaker 2: with the right players, The team at Tractor Supply brings

1940
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 2: hustle and heart and that's what really sets them apart.

1941
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:21,200
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1947
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1948
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1949
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1950
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Speaker 2: It might be the worst opinion out there leading up

1951
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Speaker 2: to the NFL Draft. It's Fox Sports Saturday right here

1952
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Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. It's Fox Sports Saturday here on

1953
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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. So I love a budding tradition with

1954
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 2: our producer Bo Benson. The tradition is because of the

1955
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 2: storyline about Caleb Williams being nitpicked to death about crying

1956
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 2: after a loss against Washington. He went to the stands,

1957
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 2: he was crying with family members. There's a lot being

1958
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 2: made about that. Any time a football player other than

1959
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 2: Kayleb Williams cries, Bo will text me and he'll be

1960
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 2: like undraftable.

1961
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 3: He's off my draft board. It's hilarious. There is a

1962
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:34,719
Speaker 3: story with Tom Brady.

1963
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 2: There's the series The Dynasty and Darrell Reeves shared a

1964
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:43,560
Speaker 2: story about the Deflategate time where Tom Brady was sobbing

1965
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 2: while addressing the team that I would not do this.

1966
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 2: I would not put the season in jeopardy, and so

1967
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 2: bow Will text me undraftable.

1968
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 4: You know, like.

1969
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 2: It's a good way to think about it, where some

1970
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 2: of this is acceptable and other times it's.

1971
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 3: Like I don't, Oh no, what are we dealing with?

1972
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 2: With Caleb Williams over here, something else to think about.

1973
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 2: Jason Kelsey, he stepped away, retired from the Eagles and

1974
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 2: the NFL. Here it's a portion of his retirement speech.

1975
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 2: Listen how emotional this is.

1976
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 11: It all felt too perfect. When the Eagles selected me

1977
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 11: in the sixth round. Immediately after being drafted, my agent

1978
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 11: Jason Bernstein said, you have no idea how perfect this is.

1979
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 11: You were going to fit in great, come You're gonna

1980
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:38,640
Speaker 11: fit in great in Philadelphia.

1981
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 4: This is your kind of town.

1982
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 3: There's a lot of emotion there.

1983
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 2: No one's like, oh, Kelsey, I don't know about this

1984
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 2: freaking guy. And it was the anniversary of one of

1985
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 2: the most epic speeches of all time recently that don't

1986
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 2: ever give up Jimmy V's speech, And there was a

1987
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 2: key part in that speech where nobody said I object.

1988
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 3: We're all like, yeah, right, Jimmy vee. Check this out

1989
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 3: to me.

1990
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 4: There are three things we all should do every day.

1991
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 12: If we do this every day of our life, you're

1992
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 12: gonna have what a wonderful Number one is laugh, You

1993
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 12: should laugh every day. Number two is think, you should

1994
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 12: spend some time in thought. And number three is you

1995
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:19,720
Speaker 12: should have your emotions moved to tears.

1996
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 4: Could be happiness to Joe and think about it.

1997
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 12: If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a

1998
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 12: full day.

1999
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 4: That's a heck of a day.

2000
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 12: You do that seven days a week, you're gonna have

2001
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:30,879
Speaker 12: something special.

2002
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 2: It's just funny to me where you think about acceptable emotion,

2003
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:40,640
Speaker 2: whether it's Tom Brady bawling or Jason Kelcey crying or

2004
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 2: Jimmy V. Talking about crying, and we're like, hey, I

2005
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 2: love that. It's passion right there. But Caleb Williams does

2006
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 2: it and matched with the unknown of what he's gonna

2007
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 2: be in the NFL, there are a lot of people like,

2008
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can trust this freaking guy

2009
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 2: over here.

2010
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 3: It's so over the top. It's such a nitpick.

2011
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:00,719
Speaker 2: I don't even think this qualifies as a red flag,

2012
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 2: but a lot of people are making it out to be.

2013
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 5: It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. The absence of passion is boredom. Like,

2014
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:13,680
Speaker 5: if we're gonna put a spectrum up and passion is

2015
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 5: at the high end and boredom is at the low end,

2016
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:21,560
Speaker 5: which side do you want want your player's needle toward. Yeah,

2017
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 5: I just think it's just such an idiotic debate. Anybody

2018
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 5: who brings it up, I immediately question their intentions or

2019
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 5: their intelligence, because, look, I'll admit I'm the first. I'm

2020
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 5: an emotional guy. I'm a crier. If there's a strong

2021
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 5: enough emotion coming through a Hallmark commercial, I'll be sobbing

2022
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 5: for a half hour. It's it's unfortunate, it's it may

2023
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 5: be considered. At times, I'm embarrassed by it. Sometimes there

2024
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:56,719
Speaker 5: are times where I'm watching I'll give you an example.

2025
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:57,919
Speaker 4: This is a perfect example.

2026
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 5: I'm reading a book to my kid's second grade class.

2027
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 4: It's a picture book.

2028
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 5: This past week was reading across America in elementary schools

2029
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 5: and I'm reading a picture book. The message was so

2030
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:16,000
Speaker 5: good that I honestly started feeling emotion well up and

2031
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I got to keep it together. I

2032
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 5: better compose myself because they were talking about never stifling

2033
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 5: creativity in this book.

2034
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 4: And I remember as a kid, like we all do,

2035
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 4: there were.

2036
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 5: Certain people in our lives who motivated us and encouraged us,

2037
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 5: and there were certain people who told us we couldn't

2038
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,680
Speaker 5: or we won't or we can't. I'm never gonna be

2039
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 5: in the camp of people who say Caleb Williams is

2040
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 5: lesser than because he cares.

2041
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams should be exalted.

2042
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 5: For caring that much that he was literally shaken to

2043
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 5: his foundation, to the point where he seeks refuge in

2044
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 5: the arms of his parents. He cares so much about

2045
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 5: the game of football that he had an uncontrollable action

2046
01:41:56,920 --> 01:42:01,639
Speaker 5: after by the way, performing in incredibly well during the game.

2047
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 4: That's the part of this that is also missed. He

2048
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 4: wasn't the reason they lost. He played well.

2049
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 5: He was upset for losing because the goal wasn't met

2050
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 5: and it's a team why goal in football? I think

2051
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 5: people scrutinize way too much. I think it's actually more

2052
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 5: it's more of a condemnation and it's more damning from

2053
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:24,640
Speaker 5: the analysts than it is from the athlete.

2054
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:26,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you guys.

2055
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 6: I mean I when I watched it to start with

2056
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 6: the Kelsey stuff, when I watched just the first two

2057
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 6: minutes of it, like, it took him probably two minutes

2058
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 6: to get through like two sentences because he was just

2059
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 6: so overcome with emotion. I think later in life. Right

2060
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 6: early on in my life, I was not an emotional guy.

2061
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 6: I was kind of like the frat boy Frankly to

2062
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 6: pull the curtain back in my twenties, and then I

2063
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:53,200
Speaker 6: had life happened to me, right, I went through a

2064
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 6: career change and in marriage. Like, you go through things

2065
01:42:56,200 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 6: in life and they humble you. They you know, make

2066
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 6: you look at things differently the perspective. For example, five

2067
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:06,720
Speaker 6: years ago, i was working in finance, married, living in

2068
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 6: New York City. Now I'm in Vegas doing gambling for

2069
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 6: a living.

2070
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:10,760
Speaker 4: Like, it's just the.

2071
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 6: Way things change in the perspective you gain throughout life.

2072
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Speaker 3: People react to it differently.

2073
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:19,680
Speaker 6: I think Caleb is a young guy, he'll learn how

2074
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,160
Speaker 6: to control his emotions. I think the key for young

2075
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:25,640
Speaker 6: kids it's not having the emotions. Every human being on

2076
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 6: earth has emotions. Some people hide them better than others.

2077
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 6: Some people act like they don't have them. Usually those

2078
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:35,400
Speaker 6: people are the ones that feel the most and they

2079
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 6: just push it all down. Caleb Williams a guy that

2080
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 6: wears it on his sleep. I think the adjustment he

2081
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:45,120
Speaker 6: needs to make the growth is channel it better. The

2082
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 6: emotional energy flows through, you learn how to channel it

2083
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 6: and don't outburst it publicly unless it's calculated.

2084
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:55,240
Speaker 3: Like Jason Kelcey. That was calculating.

2085
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 6: Like Jason Kelsey knew he was gonna cry like there

2086
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 6: was nothing hiding it.

2087
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 3: He knew it was going to be that way, and

2088
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:02,360
Speaker 3: he just let it flow.

2089
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 6: Whereas Kayleb Williams, maybe because he's a little bit younger,

2090
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 6: doesn't have the ability to control those emotions as much,

2091
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:12,640
Speaker 6: And I think he will gain that over time. Over perspective,

2092
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 6: throughout years, wisdom, the NFL tends to humble you too.

2093
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:18,680
Speaker 6: I think he'll gain a lot of that perspective. But

2094
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:22,760
Speaker 6: to knock a guy just for having emotions, that's like

2095
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 6: knocking a prospect for breathing. Like everyone has them, it's

2096
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 6: all about how you control them and funnel them into

2097
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 6: positive energy that I think is what will separate him

2098
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:35,280
Speaker 6: hopefully down the road.

2099
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:38,679
Speaker 2: Yeah listen, I hear you, guys, And I just thought

2100
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 2: of think of a former coach, Dick for Meal.

2101
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, m that dude cried all the time.

2102
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:49,680
Speaker 2: The famous statement was when Trent Green got hurt. The

2103
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 2: quarterback got hit by Rodney Harrison in a preseason game,

2104
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:56,920
Speaker 2: hurt his knee, done for the season, and he's like,

2105
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 2: we will rally around Kurt Warner and we play good football.

2106
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:05,719
Speaker 2: And he's crying while saying that, because he typically was crying.

2107
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 2: He is an emotional guy. But that didn't mean he

2108
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 2: couldn't be successful because of.

2109
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 4: It, right, you know?

2110
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:12,479
Speaker 3: And he won a Super Bowl.

2111
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 2: So this idea that what Caleb Williams can't be successful

2112
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:20,040
Speaker 2: because he's emotional, Like, what are we talking about?

2113
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 3: This is one of the dumber things.

2114
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 2: There was a draft criticism about Andy Dalton before he

2115
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 2: was drafted because he's a redhead. It's like, we haven't

2116
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:33,160
Speaker 2: seen many of these redheads succeed in the NFL.

2117
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:34,599
Speaker 3: It's like, what are we doing?

2118
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 2: Am I really supposed to believe because of red hair

2119
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 2: he can't be successful, or because of emotion, Caleb Williams

2120
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 2: can't be successful. It's just it's silly when you stop

2121
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:45,640
Speaker 2: and think about it.

2122
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:50,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, listen. I remember one time during my pre

2123
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 5: draft process. It was actually at my pro toa and

2124
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:55,599
Speaker 5: now that I remember it, I sat down with a

2125
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 5: coach from a team.

2126
01:45:58,439 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 4: I had no idea who he was.

2127
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 5: And I had no idea what I was doing, because

2128
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 5: like anybody else who's doing something for their first time,

2129
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,720
Speaker 5: they're just trying to make sense of the situation and

2130
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 5: get their bearings. But you'll only get one pro day.

2131
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 5: You'll only get one opportunity to talk to these NFL coaches,

2132
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 5: and then they go back. They scattered back across the

2133
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 5: United States, they go to other pro days. You try

2134
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 5: to leave an impression, you try to leave a good impression,

2135
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:26,559
Speaker 5: and then they'll all meet and discuss what they learned

2136
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 5: from each of these athletes they sat down with, and

2137
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 5: then they'll bring that back to their head coaches and

2138
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 5: personnel decision makers. Well, I sat down with one coach

2139
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 5: and he asked about my past, you know, and I

2140
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 5: had a past in high school. I mean, yeah, I

2141
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 5: got into a little trouble here and there, you know

2142
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 5: what I mean in early days.

2143
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 4: In college wasn't in streets along island.

2144
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:48,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't always on the straight and narrow, you know.

2145
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 5: I cleaned up my act like it was. There were

2146
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 5: things and I you know, and I didn't want to

2147
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 5: lie to anybody. So when when he brought up the

2148
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:01,360
Speaker 5: question of like, hey, so, what's what's this story exactly?

2149
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:03,720
Speaker 5: Could you fill in the blanks here? I was one

2150
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 5: hundred percent honest. And you know what, I couldn't help

2151
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 5: myself because I'm a storyteller. I'm telling I'm telling him

2152
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:13,599
Speaker 5: every detail. I realize halfway through this story. I'm talking

2153
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 5: to him and I'm telling him the story like it

2154
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 5: like I would tell my best friend, and I'm giving

2155
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 5: him all the details, and I'm just going and he's

2156
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:22,759
Speaker 5: laughing at one point, and I'm just thinking to myself,

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Speaker 5: after I finished the story, I kind of land the

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Speaker 5: plane and he has a big belly laugh and he goes, well,

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01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 5: that's quite a tale, and he's he takes a couple

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Speaker 5: of quick notes and then we're moving on to the

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01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:34,720
Speaker 5: next part of the interview, and I realized, like, oh,

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01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:37,479
Speaker 5: I just blew it. I just blew it. I can't

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01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:40,839
Speaker 5: believe I did that. I said too much. I exposed

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01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 5: too much of my personality. I should have been a

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Speaker 5: little less emotionally invested in that story. I let it

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01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 5: get away from me. Well, that coach's name was Brian

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01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 5: Ferrens and he was an offensive assistant with the New

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Speaker 5: England Patriots. The New England Patriots drafted me in the

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01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 5: fourth round. I'll tell you, man, sometimes you got to

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Speaker 5: let people.

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01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 4: Know who you are.

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01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's important. It's an important lesson I learned

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01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 5: that day. I've learned that over and over and again

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Speaker 5: throughout my broadcasting career. Let people know who you are,

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01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:18,640
Speaker 5: because if you're authentic, if if you're living your life

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01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 5: your true self, then there's never a gotcha moment, like

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Speaker 5: nobody's gonna feel like they've been had.

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01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:26,599
Speaker 4: At least you know what you're getting.

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Speaker 5: With Caleb Williams, he put those emotions on display.

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Speaker 4: I'd rather know that than not.

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Speaker 6: I love this conversation because I think it's it doesn't

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01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 6: get talked about enough emotions and how we feel about

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Speaker 6: ourselves and the world. We push a lot of this

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Speaker 6: stuff down right, It's not cool to have emotions at

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01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:49,480
Speaker 6: least in my younger generation. But I'll give you, I'll

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01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:51,960
Speaker 6: see your story, rich Hornberger, and I will raise you

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Speaker 6: my story of how I got this job. And it's

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Speaker 6: our fearless leader, Don Martin, it's got your berra interviewing me,

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01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:02,519
Speaker 6: and I was telling my story, my SOB story, how

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01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:06,439
Speaker 6: I started in radio, went to TV and then realized

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Speaker 6: I wasn't really getting a lot of traction in New

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Speaker 6: York City as a freelance news reporter, and I met,

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Speaker 6: I thought love of my life and decided to leave

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Speaker 6: TV and go into finance. And I worked at Merrill

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01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 6: Lynch and I was a financial advisor, and then the

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01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:22,760
Speaker 6: marriage fell apart, and then all of a sudden, this

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01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:26,800
Speaker 6: gambling job right falls into my lap. And then two

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Speaker 6: and a half years later, I'm interviewing with Fox Sports

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Speaker 6: Radio for a national show, and just telling him that

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01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:38,920
Speaker 6: story made them more interested in hiring me because I

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Speaker 6: had depth. I had something to offer than not just like, oh,

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Speaker 6: I'm giving you picks and here you go, like there's

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01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 6: life experience. If I don't tell that story, that SOB

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01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 6: story about my ridiculous stretch, I probably am not talking

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Speaker 6: to you guys right now.

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01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:53,679
Speaker 4: They probably hire someone else.

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01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:56,920
Speaker 6: And it was all because I was willing to be

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01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:59,679
Speaker 6: open and honest about who I am and what where

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Speaker 6: I came from and what my story is and what

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01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 6: I have to offer. And I think if you put

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01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 6: that energy out into the world, the right people will

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01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 6: magnetize towards you, and you will repel the wrong people.

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01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:13,880
Speaker 6: Whereas if you are not yourself and you keep everything

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01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,559
Speaker 6: buttoned up, the energy you put out into the world

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01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:20,120
Speaker 6: is wrong. It's negative, false energy, and you're gonna attract

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01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 6: a lot of bad things in your life, people, places, jobs,

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01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 6: et cetera. So that is the lesson, Like, be you

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Speaker 6: and even if it's ups and downs, at least it's

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Speaker 6: your ups and downs and you're being authentic to your

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Speaker 6: true self.

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Speaker 2: I love the stories you guys are sharing here, and

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01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:41,719
Speaker 2: on a silly level, that's why I tell bad beat

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01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:44,360
Speaker 2: stories every week. You know what, it made my SOB story,

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01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 2: so you know me a little bit better. I had

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01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 2: the under and there was this meaningless bucket at the end.

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Speaker 3: My gosh, so it goes.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if there are any tears shed here with

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01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 2: our Isaac k looh and Kron tears of joy of course,

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01:50:57,560 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 2: when he graces us with his presence.

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Speaker 3: I low with the latest.

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Speaker 4: What's going on?

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01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:05,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, our top story former NFL offensive lineman rich Warnberger.

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01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:09,679
Speaker 8: It miants to checkered past at high school.

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01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 2: Hey, islo, that's where the psychotic guys on Pro Football

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01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:14,719
Speaker 2: Reference come from.

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Speaker 9: Finally made the connection. Hold on, there's more coming down.

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Speaker 8: Principal Richard Howard told the Jet Gazette student newspaper at

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Speaker 8: East Meadow High School, and I quote, we are horrified

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Speaker 8: by these revelations.

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Speaker 6: Meadows rough those are the rough streets of Long Island.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you. Yeah. Principal Howard had his hands full

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01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 4: at the time.

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01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:45,720
Speaker 5: He was an assistant principal, and I remember having conversations

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01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:47,479
Speaker 5: with rich Howard where he would be like.

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01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 4: Hey, look buddy, like you just can't do that. Just

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01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 4: based on how he handled it, I know.

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01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 8: He probably talked about you his whole interview and that's

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01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:57,720
Speaker 8: how he got the job.

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01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:00,679
Speaker 4: Check check this out true story. His wife.

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Speaker 5: His wife was or still is a lawyer, and she

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Speaker 5: did have.

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Speaker 4: To represent me once. Really, yeah, we need to have

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01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 4: a couple of beers. I low, I gotta you all.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I know You're free in twenty minutes.

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Speaker 4: This is good. This is great.

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Speaker 9: I feel like it's the Timothy Iceberg.

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01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:20,640
Speaker 4: Oh, oh, it absolutely is.

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01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:22,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, we should invite Principal Howard.

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01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:27,120
Speaker 4: That's we have his number. Trus Yeah.

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Speaker 8: We might need his wife to bail us out after

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01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 8: that anyway. In less controversial NFL news, the Cincinnati Bengals

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01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:38,320
Speaker 8: have resigned offensive lineman Cody Ford to a one year deal.

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01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 8: ESPN reports the Las Vegas Raiders will release defensive lineman

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01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:45,880
Speaker 8: Jerry Tillery. NBA Friday night, the Los Angeles Lakers, without

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01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:48,479
Speaker 8: Lebron James because of a left ankle injury, to be

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01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 8: to the Milwaukee Bucks one twenty three to one twenty

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Speaker 8: two bind forty four from di'angelo Russell. Cavaliers over the

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01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:58,120
Speaker 8: Timberwolves at overtime one thirteen to one oh four. With

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01:52:58,240 --> 01:53:00,600
Speaker 8: under thirty seconds left in the fourth quarter of this

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01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:03,799
Speaker 8: game and the Timberwolves leading by one, Minnesota's Rudy Gobert

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01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:07,040
Speaker 8: was called for a foul then made the money gesture

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01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 8: at the officials, resulting in a technical foul that gave

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01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:13,719
Speaker 8: Cleveland a game time free throw. After the game, Golbert

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01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:17,680
Speaker 8: told reporters, quote, referees make mistakes sometimes.

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01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:19,440
Speaker 9: I think it's more than mistakes.

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01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 8: I'll bite the bullet again and I'll be the bad

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01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:24,840
Speaker 8: guy that speaks what I think is the truth. They're

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01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 8: probably going to find me, but I think it's hurning

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01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 8: our game. I know, the betting and all that is

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01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 8: becoming bigger and bigger, but it shouldn't feel that way.

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Speaker 4: Just let the.

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Speaker 9: Players decide the game.

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01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:40,360
Speaker 8: Unquote ironically, would you believe guys that today just happens

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01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 8: to be the four year anniversary of that infamous press

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01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 8: conference when Gobert touched all the microphones of all the reporters.

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01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:49,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just before.

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01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:53,200
Speaker 8: The Corona virus pandemic erupted. That was four years ago

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01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:54,280
Speaker 8: today back to you.

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01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 2: Wow, that is an anniversary we will not be seldom,

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01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 2: don never rightly, I'm so glad we're away from those times.

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01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:04,240
Speaker 3: Good and this Hey.

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Speaker 2: Shortly after the show, our podcast would be going up.

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Speaker 2: we get off the air. By the way, something else

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01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 2: that was sweet. That happened yesterday. So I mentioned my

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01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:29,960
Speaker 2: very rocky road filling in from Milwaukee station this week. Man,

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01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:33,839
Speaker 2: one of the knockdown, drag out fights. They're total homers

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01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:35,920
Speaker 2: over there. They're like, hey, six and oho since the

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01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 2: All Star break. Look at the defense. The defense is

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01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:41,080
Speaker 2: playing great right now, and I'm like, ah, you gotta

2305
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 2: read the fine print.

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01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,440
Speaker 3: Look at the opponents. Two wins against.

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Speaker 2: The Hornets, the Bulls, no embiid, I gotta see more. Oh,

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01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:50,960
Speaker 2: they crushed me. And then last night, what happens? What

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01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:55,320
Speaker 2: happens felas Damian Lillard hits a four point play with

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01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 2: just under two minutes to go. They have a six

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01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:02,320
Speaker 2: point lead. We gotta win games with the six point lead,

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01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 2: and nol Lebron out there.

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01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:09,440
Speaker 3: Their defense betrays them. Wow, it was glorious timing for

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01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 3: something like that to happen. That was beautiful.

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01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:13,760
Speaker 4: Man. Yeah, I'll tell you what.

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01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 5: You know, what's interesting the more I watch the NBA,

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01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:19,640
Speaker 5: and maybe it's like through the lens of somebody who's

2318
01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:23,839
Speaker 5: aging alongside the NBA through the many revolutions it's taking.

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01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:29,080
Speaker 5: I see it so much more from like a script standpoint.

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01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:30,200
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that the.

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01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:34,600
Speaker 5: League is scripted, but isn't it interesting how certain nights,

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01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 5: certain things happen, Like Lakers Clippers. It was such a

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01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:41,720
Speaker 5: magical knight for Lebron James, the fourth quarter comeback for

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01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 5: the Lakers. Like it's almost like as the wheel turns,

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Speaker 5: like there's all these moments that will latch onto throughout

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01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:52,080
Speaker 5: the season that build up the storyline that will be

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01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 5: told in the postseason when they allow inexplicably twenty teams

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01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 5: to vie for a champion chip. It's a it's a

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01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:05,000
Speaker 5: it's a funny league. The NBA has really changed into

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01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 5: something that you don't recognize if you've been watching it

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01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 5: since the nineties.

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Speaker 4: Can't watch it until the playoffs?

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01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, really that's how I feel like, and I love it.

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01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:14,760
Speaker 6: I tried to watch the All Star Game and I

2335
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:16,360
Speaker 6: was just like, what am I watching?

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01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:18,000
Speaker 3: And then maybe that was the wrong game.

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01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:21,360
Speaker 6: To watch, the wrong game, But also like, well, here's

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01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:23,640
Speaker 6: the thing, Brian, and you're an NBA guy, so you could.

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Speaker 3: Speak to this.

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01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 4: I am the casual fan.

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01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:28,560
Speaker 6: The All Star Game is supposed to be where they

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01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:31,400
Speaker 6: hooked me, and they did the opposite. Like the All

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01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:32,840
Speaker 6: Star Game is supposed to be where I'm supposed to

2344
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:34,800
Speaker 6: sit down on a Sunday night and I'm supposed to

2345
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:37,760
Speaker 6: watch the stars be stars. I watched the stars play

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01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:40,839
Speaker 6: like like the y mc A, you know LA Fitness,

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01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:42,000
Speaker 6: you know pickup game guy.

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Speaker 3: It's a total turnoff. There's no doubt about that. Yeah.

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01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:47,960
Speaker 2: We've got rich oron Berger, Penn State All American, Jared

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Speaker 2: Smith FSR betting analyst.

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01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:53,160
Speaker 3: I'm Brian No coming up picks Galore.

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01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 2: I've got some redeeming that needs to take place after

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01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 2: last week. We'll see if that can happen. It is

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01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:03,400
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio. It

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01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:07,800
Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio. Props

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Speaker 2: to the crew, Bo Benson, trusted producer, Chris Perfet, gonna

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01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:14,400
Speaker 2: check out by Barry Bye.

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Speaker 3: Is that the name of it?

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01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:21,600
Speaker 2: Chris the the Liary Bye Bye Berry Bye Berry Bye.

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01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,720
Speaker 2: I kind of like that title better, but yeah, I

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01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:26,360
Speaker 2: gotta check that out or a technical producer. I Low

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01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:30,640
Speaker 2: Isaac Lohan Cron on the updates, crushing it and crushing life.

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01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:33,400
Speaker 2: Top of the Hour, up on Game, LaVar Arrington, t

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Speaker 2: J Huschman, Zada. They've got you covered from C to sea.

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Speaker 2: All right, We've got picks to make.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it rapid fire.

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Speaker 3: All right, Jared, we'll start with you. What are you thinking?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Kyle troops.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the Sun Belt quarter final. Early game

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Speaker 3: starts about ten minutes.

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Speaker 4: So get this pick in now. Georgia Southern.

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Speaker 6: I'm taking thirteen and a half points against the top

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01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:59,200
Speaker 6: seed app State. Listen, I love Appalachian State, but they

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01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:01,680
Speaker 6: kind of have this bugaboo and that's Georgia Southern. They

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01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:04,560
Speaker 6: really played them tough twice, lost by ten on the

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01:58:04,640 --> 01:58:06,440
Speaker 6: road earlier this year, and it took him to overtime

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01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:08,400
Speaker 6: a few weeks ago at home. So I think Georgia Southern,

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01:58:08,440 --> 01:58:10,760
Speaker 6: they've already played on this court in Pensacola, had a

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01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 6: couple of days off app States. Coming in fresh here

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01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:15,400
Speaker 6: as the top seed, I think they keep it close.

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01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:17,960
Speaker 6: Georgia Southern plus thirteen and a half. Furman on the

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01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 6: money line against Western Carolina dog to favorite. Furman was

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01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:23,960
Speaker 6: an underdog last night. Now they're just a slight favorite.

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01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:25,440
Speaker 6: You want to lay one one and a half points,

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01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:28,160
Speaker 6: I think that's fine. Furman is a very experienced team member.

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01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:30,360
Speaker 6: They won this conference tournament last year and then beat

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01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:33,160
Speaker 6: Virginia in the NCAA Tournament, Furman on the money line. Finally,

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01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:36,200
Speaker 6: Northern Iowa Indiana State over one forty seven and a half.

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01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:38,400
Speaker 6: Everyone's talking about unders and arch madness. I like the

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01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:41,920
Speaker 6: over here, Robbie Avila Kareem Abdul Jabbar, the nickname that

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01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:43,560
Speaker 6: is my favorite nickname in all of sports.

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01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:45,840
Speaker 3: Over Northern Iowa, Indiana State won forty seven.

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01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:49,360
Speaker 5: All right, all right, I'm going to go way off

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01:58:49,400 --> 01:58:52,680
Speaker 5: the beaten trowl here and I'm gonna take Richmond the

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01:58:52,720 --> 01:58:55,720
Speaker 5: Spiders plus two and a half over George Mason. I

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01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:57,960
Speaker 5: did a little bit of studying up on this game,

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01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:01,760
Speaker 5: and I'm excited to admit what I don't know. I

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01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:04,360
Speaker 5: don't know a lot about either of these teams, but

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01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:06,160
Speaker 5: this is the side I leaned toward.

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01:59:06,240 --> 01:59:09,360
Speaker 4: Now some other spots that I felt better about.

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01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 5: Creighton favored by one and a half on the road

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01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:15,440
Speaker 5: versus Wildcats of Ville Nova Creyton can fill up the

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01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:18,640
Speaker 5: hoop their top thirty in that metric in terms of

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01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:21,800
Speaker 5: points per game in the country, Blue Jays are definitely

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01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:23,960
Speaker 5: covering up that one and a half if you ask me.

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01:59:24,440 --> 01:59:28,560
Speaker 5: Houston Cougar has visited Allen Field House earlier this season

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01:59:29,120 --> 01:59:31,879
Speaker 5: when they played Kansas, they lost by thirteen. Now Kansas

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01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:34,160
Speaker 5: is getting eight and a half on the road at Houston.

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01:59:34,760 --> 01:59:36,080
Speaker 4: Give me the points.

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01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:39,400
Speaker 5: I'm taking the Kansas team on the road here against

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01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:39,920
Speaker 5: the Kooks.

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01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:43,000
Speaker 3: Great nugget with Duke North Carolina.

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01:59:43,400 --> 01:59:48,520
Speaker 2: They've met as top ten teams fifty times and the

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01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:52,360
Speaker 2: next closest matchup of top ten teams North Carolina North

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01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:57,720
Speaker 2: Carolina State fourteen times, so it's amazing too top ten teams.

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01:59:57,720 --> 01:59:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm taking the points with UNC plus five and a

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01:59:59,880 --> 02:00:01,840
Speaker 2: hal Give me Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: I'll scoop up the points plus seven and a half.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot at Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: And then NBA wives Devin Booker questionable Celtics have lost

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Speaker 2: to in a row.

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Speaker 3: I'll lay the five and a half and go with

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02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:12,960
Speaker 3: the Seeds.

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Speaker 2: There you go, everybody, enjoy your day, enjoy the hoops,

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Speaker 2: and we will catch you very soon