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Speaker 1: It's a big deal when the Women's Open goes to

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Speaker 1: pebble Beach, it elevates the entire events and of course

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Speaker 1: they these players deserve that they should play on the

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Speaker 1: best playing fields, and to finally get a Women's Open

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Speaker 2: I got thoughts in my head. Can't get him, John

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Speaker 1: Count thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Can't get them out, John not to think what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 1: About all right, Hello, Welcome back to the Fire Drill Podcast,

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Speaker 1: joined by Matt Janella and a very special guest, a

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Speaker 1: gent named Kevin Price. KP and I go back basically

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Speaker 1: to birth our errands for friends. We were born three

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Speaker 1: weeks apart. There are photos of us swaddled next to

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Speaker 1: each other in a bassinett, lifelong best friends. At my

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Speaker 1: wedding in nineteen ninety nine, Kevin met Matt Janella for

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Speaker 1: the first time. They became great friends. The three of

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Speaker 1: us and Sundry others have had many golf adventures from

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Speaker 1: Australia to Ireland, to Scotland to Pinehurst, Abandon and Kevin

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Speaker 1: is a generational ball striker claims should be scratched is

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Speaker 1: probably a plus two. That's a sore subject we'll save

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Speaker 1: for another podcast. He owns his own financial services firm,

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Speaker 1: but Caddie's out at Pebble Beach mostly because he's the

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Speaker 1: biggest golf nerd around and he just wants to touch

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Speaker 1: he does to satisfy those urges. So Kevin has a

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Speaker 1: bag at this week's United States Women's Open Championship, and

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Speaker 1: we thought we'd preview the course, the tournament, the players. keV,

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Speaker 1: thanks for doing this my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Guys happy to be here as I am happy to

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Speaker 3: be out at the Pebble Beach Golf Links for this

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Speaker 3: Women's Open.

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Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a really special week

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Speaker 1: It's Monday evening of tournament week. You're you're coming in

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Speaker 1: hot from a practice round with Mackenzie Han, young player

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Speaker 1: us about Mackenzie and the golf course. I know you

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Speaker 1: had a special guest in your practice round pairing today,

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Speaker 1: Like you just set the scene for the listeners, right

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Speaker 1: hold on.

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Speaker 5: Can we please can we take a second like, first

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Speaker 5: of all, like I haven't said a word yet, okay,

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Speaker 5: jomp In Matt, Sorry, Like, can I at least address

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Speaker 5: Ken Well, like you'll have your part of hogging the microphone?

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Speaker 5: Are you? Like, oh my, I'm trying to throw it

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Speaker 5: to the guests, But I mean you're not doing him

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Speaker 5: at like even close to justice. Kevin Price. Yes, one

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Speaker 5: of the greatest gifts you've ever get me is my

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Speaker 5: friendship to Kevin Price with Kevin Price, which is and

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Speaker 5: we've been all over the world together. We're we're like

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Speaker 5: better friends than you and I now like we like

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Speaker 5: we like leap frog friendships.

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Speaker 3: Like it was like child, it's a tie, it's a tie.

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Speaker 5: It's a tie. But I lean that way after you're

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Speaker 5: so very rude intro And by the way, Kevin is

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Speaker 5: one of those scratch golfers that are actually sandbagging scratch golfers.

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Speaker 5: When guy rocks up, he's like, oh, I'm scratch, you

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Speaker 5: know whatever. To your point, he's literally a plus two

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Speaker 5: plus three. He's two time club champion at Bayonet and

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Speaker 1: I mean, but also he won the gross and the

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Speaker 5: That was but see that, that's what I'm talking about

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Speaker 5: like you didn't even you just like YadA YadA, you

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Speaker 5: blurred right through. You've got some sort of date or

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Speaker 3: You guys are too kind. I appreciate that. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 3: Those Bayonet Club Champs, we're not exactly the deepest fields

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Speaker 5: How many? How many? How many times have you caddied

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Speaker 4: I've done six at and T prorams.

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Speaker 4: Seventy one from the blue season.

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Speaker 1: Without doubt, Matt, can I ask a question? Or do

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Speaker 1: Alan take it away, Yeah, pour some out for the

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Speaker 3: But there's no walk in golf like Pebble Beach. There

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Speaker 4: She's not played on this stage before. There's no getting

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Speaker 5: where he falls in the schedule, and like you said, Kevin,

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00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 5: like the condition of the golf course. It's just going

435
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 5: to be this convergence of like a lot of really

436
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 5: cool stuff and gratitude and appreciation and reverence and respect

437
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 5: for quite honestly, you know what I would consider very

438
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 5: clearly the number one public golf course in the country,

439
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 5: and one could argue with you know, it's in the

440
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 5: conversation for best best in the world for the amount

441
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 5: of court and I just I'm just looking forward to

442
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 5: like a week of that, you know, the imagery, the appreciation,

443
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 5: the respect, the reverence, the gratitude that you know, this

444
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 5: is a place we can get access to. It's not

445
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 5: for everybody, certainly gone way up in price, but they're

446
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 5: on occasion people save up and get to get to

447
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 5: walk this land and have this experience. And I'm really

448
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 5: looking forward to what transpires.

449
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 4: Guys.

450
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: In eight and a half years of countying and Pebble,

451
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: I have yet to hear anybody come off eighteen Green

452
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: and say, yeah, I don't know.

453
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 4: It just has happened.

454
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: Incredible, It has not happened, right, And that's whether someone

455
00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 3: shoots five shots better than their handicap or fifteen shots worse, like,

456
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 3: it's not in the end, it's not about that. It's

457
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: it's just unmistakably special to everyone who's fortunate enough to

458
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: walk through it. And you know, I've walked it a bunch.

459
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 3: It hasn't gotten old yet for me, so you know,

460
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: it's it's it's still it's still just good, solid fun

461
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: to be out there.

462
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 4: It just is well.

463
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: It's a nice kind of palette cleanser coming out of

464
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: La Country Club where it was. We don't have to

465
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: rehash it in great detail, but people know it. It

466
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: felt more like an Augusta national host where it was

467
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: very exclusive and a lot of things happened behind the

468
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: scenes that kind of dampened the enthusiasm. If you're on

469
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: the ground, it was more about it. There's like a

470
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: club event as opposed to a national championship and pebble beat.

471
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: It is expensive, I know all three of us have

472
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: talked to us. We'd love to see the price go down.

473
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: But the fact is anybody can play it. You can

474
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 1: if you're a teenager. You can get a paper you know,

475
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: paper route and they still deliver newspapers. I don't know.

476
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: You can cut lawns like you know. You can give

477
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: you a graduation president can be an anniversary president. I

478
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: mean people do it all the time. Because my summer's

479
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: working out there. I used to as a car boy,

480
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: I used to see it and it is expensive, but

481
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: it's worth it, you know, the amount of money you're

482
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: going to pay to play TPC Sawgrass or some crappy

483
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: course out in the desert. You know, at least Pebble

484
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: is a lifetime experience.

485
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 5: And the Shadow Creek Shadow Creek versus.

486
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's not quite the people's golf course like

487
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: Beth Page you know, that's a special relationship, is essentially

488
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: a muni and but it is one of the few

489
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: courses that's in the conversation for the best in the

490
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: world that anyone can play, and that that is special

491
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: and that's meaningful, and it does create that that connection

492
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: as a viewer because a lot of people who be

493
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: watching on TV will have will have played it once

494
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: or twice in their life, or their dad will or

495
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: there or someone they there intimate with U has a

496
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: great Pebble Beach story and and that that does create

497
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: an important connection at these events that I think is

498
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: really you know, having been at us Opens, at Tory

499
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: Pines and at Beth Page's, it's just fun to hear

500
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: the crowd because they've had that same shot, they've been

501
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: in that same bunker. They know that green better than

502
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: some of the players because they've been playing there every

503
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: weekend for you know, twenty years. And there is a

504
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: little bit of that around Pebble Beach, where there's a

505
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: sense of ownership, and I just I just think that

506
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: adds a whole other element to the to a big

507
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: tournament like this.

508
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, put, I fully agree, Kevin. What's the what

509
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 5: was the situation in terms of practice round? What what

510
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 5: you texted that Aniko was involved today?

511
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 4: Right? We just we had Anica Sornstam on the t

512
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 4: sheet with us, and at one o seven. At one

513
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: o seven, there was.

514
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: A you know, and and an amateur girl from Taiwan

515
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: who's going to play at the University of Oregon. Her

516
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 3: her ball was first in the air and right behind

517
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: her was was the goat. I mean there just with

518
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 3: high I'monica, right introducing yourself to me. Well, I know

519
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 3: who you are, and thank you for introducing yourself. Very

520
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 3: nice to meet you. And so she played nine holes

521
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 3: and then had had another commitment in the early evening,

522
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: but she had she had her husband and son with

523
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: her for those nine holes, and it was fun to

524
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: watch them kind of interact with each other.

525
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: Little Will was carrying his mom around.

526
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 3: Just as much as Mike was, so he definitely had

527
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: some some thoughts on how to play pebble, which is

528
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: he's a good little player, so it's it was kind of.

529
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 4: Fun to watch that family dynamic.

530
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: And I mean Onica's hands around the greens, it's it's

531
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, Da Vinci on a canvas.

532
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 4: It's just it's just genius. It's just straight up genius.

533
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 4: It's for a for.

534
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: A golf nerd like me, it was you know, my

535
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: focus is McKenzie obviously, but you know, here and there

536
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: you kind of catch on because little shots and practice

537
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: round set up where you know, we're dropping multiple balls

538
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: and playing different angles to different potential whole locations and

539
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: all that and just a real joy to watch her.

540
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: Watch her practice or craft out there.

541
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: Had she hit it TD green, I mean.

542
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: Super solid right iron iron byron basically not not you know,

543
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: let's let's be honest, father time is what it is.

544
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: Not as far as she used to and not as

545
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: far as the younger players generally out there, but I

546
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: mean she hit it right where she was looking. She

547
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: hit it right where she was looking, time.

548
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 5: After time after time.

549
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: And you know, you know when we're when we play

550
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: with each other, it's like you catch one every now

551
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: and then. That's got that to her caliber, compression sound

552
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: to it. And one of the reasons we love the

553
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 3: game is when you when you get that audio feedback.

554
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's like every single shot for

555
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: all I guess, just right on the button. So fun

556
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: to watch. I mean, you know, she's she's just good

557
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: at golf. She's really really good at golf.

558
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 5: And what was the interaction between Anka and Mackenzie and

559
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 5: was what were you were you trying to you know,

560
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 5: like how did all that?

561
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know you try not to sort of

562
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: overfan it. You want to let Honica go about her business.

563
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: And we and we did. We took we snapped a

564
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: couple of pictures with the younger players and Onnica, and

565
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: she was very gracious in doing so seventh te a

566
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: couple other spots when they parted ways on the tenth tee,

567
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: but the highlight for me was when Mackenzie absolutely bombed

568
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 3: one down into the perfect spot on the ninth fairway.

569
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: You know, it's that sort of blind finish for her,

570
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: it's going all the way down the hill.

571
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 4: But we knew it was we knew it was perfect.

572
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: And Anica chimes in from the back of the tea box,

573
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: good drive. And so I leaned over to Mackenzie. I said, hey,

574
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: that does that feel good to hear Anica sorenstamp.

575
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 4: So they good job. She goes confidence builder.

576
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: So you know, I think when when we're playing for

577
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: something on Sunday afternoon, we might look back on that

578
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: as a moment that kind of like almost freed McKenzie

579
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: up to feel like, hey, I belong here right Anka

580
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: saw it, she said it, I can hit it. I

581
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: can hit it with them. Now we just have to

582
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: get it in the hole. So it was cool to

583
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: have her out there for sure.

584
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Do you have any sense, Kevin, in the tournament rounds,

585
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: how much you'll read putts for Mackenzie And what is

586
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: that dynamic like because she's the player, she has her

587
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: way of doing things, but you know the course so

588
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: intimately and you have so much you can share. Have

589
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: you talked about what she wants or are you still

590
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: feeling that out?

591
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: I have, yes, and yes, a little bit of both.

592
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: I asked right up front before we even went out

593
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: yesterday morning, because you always want to defer right to

594
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: her process, and this isn't about me, this is about her.

595
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: I don't need to try to be a hero out here.

596
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: I mean, my job is to get her from me

597
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: to B two C and where she wants and needs

598
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: my items or my thoughts. I'm certainly happy to offer them,

599
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: and I will do so to the best of my abilities.

600
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: But I think I think I'm going to be reading

601
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: some putts. I think what we've kind of worked out

602
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: is I sort of want to know what she sees first,

603
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: and because so often you don't know how hard a

604
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: player kind of wants.

605
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 4: To hit a putt right, and especially at.

606
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: Us open green speeds even today, but certainly expecting more

607
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 3: so Thursday through Sunday. Is you know you can make

608
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: it on four or five different lines, it's just how

609
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 3: aggressive do you want to be with the pace? So

610
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: I kind of want to see what she hear, what

611
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: she sees first, and then all essentially sort of overruled

612
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: out or different with that if I if I find

613
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: a compelling reason to do so, and maybe we'll talk

614
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: through the pace at which we want to hit the putt.

615
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I do think that local knowledge helps at pebbles.

616
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: There's no getting around the fact that there's some mysterious

617
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: spots on some of the greens where what you see

618
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: in the micro environment of that green complex itself is

619
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: one thing. But the way it sits on the big

620
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: hill that runs from the ridgeline in the forest up

621
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: top down to the ocean, it means that there's some

622
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: there's some subtle but meaningful, kind of counterintuitive breaks, I think,

623
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: And we've had a few of those already, where you know,

624
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: her first read was it goes right, and I said, no,

625
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: I think this one. You know, it's a little outside

626
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: outside the right, it's going left. And so but I'll

627
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: only I'll only differ if I if I have very

628
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: high conviction in that, because she's good at what she does,

629
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: and and but there are some spots out there that

630
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: simply are not obvious unless you've seen it or done

631
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: it dozens of times. It just that's the way pebble works.

632
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 5: And isn't that why she Isn't that why she's having

633
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 5: you as a caddy, Like I mean, I think it

634
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 5: would fly in the face of the concept if why

635
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 5: take a local caddy who's in this system, who's obviously

636
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 5: been put forward as somebody who knows what they're doing,

637
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 5: and then not utilize at least get an opinion.

638
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 4: Yeah No, and she and she will and we're working

639
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 4: really well together.

640
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm saying that just kind of who it's kind

641
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 5: of like. I think that's probably why she put in

642
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 5: to have a look like I would imagine that would be.

643
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 5: That's a huge advantage to a not only know you

644
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 5: know the course, but also that you know what I

645
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 5: played golf.

646
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know I've I've had those putts,

647
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 3: not in rounds that meant anywhere near near what what

648
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 3: these rounds will mean to say the very least.

649
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: But it a read as a read a read.

650
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 3: You know, I've played it probably in the high twenties

651
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: rounds at Pebblo career and and caddy to you know,

652
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 3: close to four hundred times.

653
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 4: Now, I would say.

654
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I mean they're there there. Look, I mean,

655
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: let's be honest, nobody gets every read right every time.

656
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: And there are some spots out there that that where

657
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: there's subtle little ridges and if it's just a touch

658
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: on this side, it will go that way and just

659
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: to touch it.

660
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: So you know, it's tough and nobody's gonna make every put.

661
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 3: But but I think we've got a chance to We've

662
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: got a chance to do some damage. I think I

663
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: think we've got a pretty good thing working right now.

664
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Speaker 5: Hey, first of all, you're in the field, so you're

665
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 5: you've got to you've got a chance to win it.

666
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 5: And second of all, like our buddy could be on

667
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 5: the bag, like you could win a women's Yeah.

668
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: Well, one shot at a time, Matt. We were just fun.

669
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Speaker 4: We're gonna process. Yeah, the process. Yeah, no, anyway, it's yeah.

670
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Speaker 5: get that taken care of. But KP, this is I

685
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 5: just think it's so cool that you that you're having

686
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 5: this opportunity given you who you are, what you are,

687
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 5: your knowledge of this golf course. Mackenzie's tied to wiscon like,

688
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 5: this is just this is just stars aligned.

689
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 3: And yeah, it feels good. I think we've got we've

690
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: got a little something going here and we're just going

691
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: to golf's hard, right and this golf course, this setup

692
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: is going to be challenging, but we are going to

693
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 3: do our absolute best. And this kid can play. I

694
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: mean she really can't play. I've seen enough golf at

695
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 3: high levels to know it when I see.

696
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 4: It, and she's a striker and a half.

697
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: And you know, as I said, it's probably just going

698
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: to sort of come down to, you know, can we

699
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: keep it in the short grass often enough? And when

700
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: we don't, because at some point it's going to happen

701
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 3: for everybody in the field, You're going to play some

702
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: shots out of the rough.

703
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 4: There is a little bit of there's a little bit.

704
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: Of the luck of the draw and the rub of

705
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 3: the green in terms of the lie you draw a

706
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 3: relative to the shot that you need to play in

707
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: that circumstance.

708
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 4: So well, we'll hope for the best and do our best,

709
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 4: that's for sure.

710
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean some people may recall at the PG Championship

711
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: the Michael Block story. One of the subplots was his

712
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: caddy was this guy John Jackson, who is a spyglass

713
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: Hill caddy and was kind of living his own dream.

714
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: Have you had any interactions with John and is there

715
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: something in the water there in the caddy shack, like

716
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: what's on?

717
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: I've had some past interactions, but John, we've played golf together.

718
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 4: Great player, really good guy.

719
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: I like him a lot and not surprised to see

720
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: him just you know, caddy has butt.

721
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 4: Off for Block at o'kill.

722
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: I have not been in touch with him since that event,

723
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: so I I wish I could say I had been,

724
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: but just busy, busy days.

725
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: So here's the thought exercise. Let's say that mackenzie wins

726
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: this thing and asks you to become a full time

727
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: caddy on LPG Tour. What's the answer. And let's say

728
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: your wife Roz not listening to this podcast, so you

729
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: can be candid.

730
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 4: This is a question for Rosalind. I mean you know that.

731
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's get the boss.

732
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get her down the load.

733
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 5: Caddies, what are you in that relationship?

734
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: That's you know, I'm the I'm the endlisty. She's the

735
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: admiral of the fleet, so she's in she's in charge

736
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: of that. I mean, well, that's wild. I can't even

737
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 3: one shot at a time.

738
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: Man, come on, fine, yeah, table that.

739
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got a question, KP. So eight toll is

740
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 5: a great example where yeah, right, So from the back

741
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 5: te's you know, what are you what are you telling her?

742
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 5: I mean there is there's only far back, as far

743
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 5: back as you can go. So what was the yardage

744
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 5: to the landing area that you would have suggested? And

745
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 5: then what did she have in and what did she

746
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 5: hit in from.

747
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 4: That particular yard?

748
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: Right, So we're we're one tea box up from the

749
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 3: back box. We're not at the box where the blue

750
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: te's or US open marker would be. We're essentially at

751
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 3: the back of the next box up. So depending on

752
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 3: the wind, whether it's down wind to cross wind.

753
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 4: It's very let's say no win.

754
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 5: Let's say like no wind, what do you what do

755
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 5: you suggest?

756
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 4: No win? To twenty five to thirty max?

757
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 5: Okay? And then when she got up onto the clearing,

758
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 5: you know how far did she have in?

759
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: We had high both days, hit shots essentially to the

760
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: same spot and had in the mid to upper one

761
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: nineties and hit six em yesterday she hit it to

762
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: four feet above the hole.

763
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: And wow, made it, made it in the heart. Wow, yeah,

764
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 4: made three on.

765
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 5: Some she's hitting six iron from one ninety little downhill

766
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 5: if you're saying no wind, four or.

767
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: Five yards downhill and probably a club of help in

768
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: the wind. So for McKenzie, her six iron is one

769
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: eighty plus or minus. So it was it was probably

770
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: a one, you know, one eighty two shot and she

771
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: flushed it and it was right, it was all over.

772
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 3: I was yelling at it to go in when it

773
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: was in the air.

774
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 5: So get you do you feel comfortable in sort of

775
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 5: her yardage breakdowns of normal flight right now from from

776
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 5: you know, all the clubs in her bag.

777
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 4: It doesn't take a caddy long. Mattie.

778
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 3: I mean we were I've got my hand on the clubhead.

779
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 3: She's thinking about in the wedge.

780
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 5: What's her wedge?

781
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 4: Stock wedge pitching wedge mid one twenties.

782
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 5: And stock seven iron.

783
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 4: Seven iron high one sixties close to seventy.

784
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: I think I think Mackenzie might be longer than me.

785
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: How far is hit her driver.

786
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 3: The little I've gone out to eighty five to ninety.

787
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: I mean it's not it's not in the air quite

788
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: that long. No, guys, she can hit it. She can

789
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: hit it.

790
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 4: She's she's Midwest strong is what she is. She's bad

791
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: or strong.

792
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 5: And and and when you're when you are being asked

793
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 5: for a read or when she says a spot, it's

794
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 5: you know, she's a good enough putter where you feel

795
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 5: like she's hitting spots and it's just a matter of

796
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 5: speed and trust.

797
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: Maddie, You're you're tapping into my stress level a little

798
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: bit because one of them one of the most stressful

799
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: things to do is to read putts for people who

800
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 3: hit their lines every single time, because if it misses,

801
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: it's on you. And and she hits her lines, she

802
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: hits her lines well, I mean, you know again, it's

803
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: like she's.

804
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: Not a rope and nobody's perfect.

805
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: But I would say, on balance, she hits her lines

806
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: really really well on the greens, and we've made a

807
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: bunch the last couple of days, so we'll keep trying

808
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: to do.

809
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: So.

810
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 5: How's her composure level in terms of dealing with the

811
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 5: prestige of Pebble Beach and the idea that Anika was

812
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 5: in her group? And is she feeling or looking or

813
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 5: sounding overwhelmed or is she in the moment and and

814
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 5: sort of capable.

815
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: She's not even close to overwhelmed, at least not outwardly.

816
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: I see no signs of that whatsoever. I've thought of myself.

817
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 3: You know, I was nowhere near that kind of player

818
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: at that age, and it was never happening for me.

819
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: But like you just envisioned yourself as a twenty four

820
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: year old kid a year out of college who's played

821
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: you know, a few many tour events and Illinois State Open,

822
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: that sort of thing, and it is obviously a very

823
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 3: very good golfer.

824
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 4: But how's it been on this stage before?

825
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: I don't know I would be you know, It's like

826
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: my second high school golf match was at Pebble Beach

827
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: back when it was Carmel High's home course, and in

828
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 3: my prayer to the golf gods was to get the

829
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 3: thing airborne off the first tea and that was, you.

830
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 4: Know, come on, like non league, high school golf, non event.

831
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: Right, this is the US Open. She seems cool as

832
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: a cucumber. She's just like, you know, tell me where

833
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: to hit it, man, what do you what's the number?

834
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: And boom there it goes. So she's she's I don't know, pro,

835
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 3: she's a pro.

836
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 4: She's a pro.

837
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 3: So a little bit about the Hawnen family while we're

838
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: talking about her, Her brother Jordan, named after Michael Jordan,

839
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: number twenty three by her Illinois parents' dad, big time

840
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan fan. I wanted to name the kid Jordan

841
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: Michael Han, but mom overruled the middle name as just

842
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: a wee bit too much. Jordan is sixth at nine

843
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 3: and mondayed into the Valspar Championship and when he hit

844
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 3: his first t shot, my understanding is he became the

845
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: tallest player to play in a PGA Tour event ever.

846
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: So that's Mackenzie's two years older brother who also played

847
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 3: at Wisconsin.

848
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 4: Might I add, wow, Yeah.

849
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: That's impressive. So the sick goes out there always have

850
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: one question, what's the winning score going to.

851
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: Be, Oh, my gosh, you know, great question. I think

852
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: so much depends on mother nature over the next few days.

853
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: And I think, to your point earlier about this being

854
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: a kind of almost spiritually important event for the game,

855
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: and for the women's game in particular, nothing's going to

856
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: change that it already is because it's happening. The only

857
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 3: thing that could put a damper on it at this point,

858
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 3: I think, is if we get real visibility issues, fog

859
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: delays and that sort of a bit of wonkiness in

860
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 3: that sense where the golf course simply doesn't present itself

861
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: in front of them, in front of the golfers the

862
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: right way. But let's say that we don't get that

863
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: much moisture in the air, and the thing dries out

864
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: a little bit and firms up six six under. There

865
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: are birdies out there, right, I mean, Pebble has holes

866
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 3: that are gettable. It's it has a few holes that

867
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 3: are going to play long for some of these ladies,

868
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: and it has some holes that are going to play

869
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 3: short for the entire field. And if you hit it

870
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 3: in the short grass, you can make birdies out there.

871
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 4: But the bogies and doubles.

872
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: Are that far away from the short grass, and uh,

873
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 3: you know, you obviously have the cliffs in play on

874
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 3: a number of holes.

875
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 4: But even even if you always keep.

876
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: It on on one form or another of green grass,

877
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: it's if you're in the wrong green grass, it's going

878
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: to play really, really tough. I think somebody's you know,

879
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 3: more than one player is going to finish in red numbers.

880
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 3: There are just too many birdies out there for people

881
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 3: who are playing really good golf and hitting it, hitting

882
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: it in.

883
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 5: Play talk talk me through eighteen. You know, in terms

884
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 5: of how you know you're teen off middle of the

885
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 5: tee box pro.

886
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 4: Pretty far back, pretty far back.

887
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: Actually the practice team markers have been not quite in

888
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: the back back, but maybe a dozen steps short of that,

889
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: and and off on the left slightly so okay, kind

890
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 3: of on that little baby peninsula in the tea box.

891
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 5: And how how far is she hitting in? What what

892
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 5: does she have in and where does she play to

893
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 5: or what does she even consider it?

894
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, we've we've we've laid up both days second shots.

895
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 3: We've been right around the tree. There's been a headwind

896
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: and moist, heavy air. So anytime you get that plus

897
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: a little wind into you it's just not going to

898
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: fly as far.

899
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 4: But we've I think we hit well.

900
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 3: We hit in the right ferry bunker today, so we

901
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: had four and out of that really good, good low

902
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 3: flo four iron and then and then uh fifty degree

903
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: wedge onto the green. I don't so I think two

904
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 3: and six will be reachable for a for a substantial

905
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 3: chunk of the field.

906
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 4: You know.

907
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: Fourteen just flat out isn't and eighteen I don't think

908
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: will be for very many. I just don't see that happening.

909
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 3: I'm by no means am I saying nobody's going for it.

910
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: Some will have a chance and we'll go for it

911
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: and we'll probably reach it. But I think that's a

912
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 3: it's a small minority of the field.

913
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: And two is a part five. Is interesting because that's

914
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: how everyday players face it for the US Open, that

915
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: they've converted into a part four.

916
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, and the and the guys play it as

917
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: a part five for the AT and T. But we're

918
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: we're we're all the way at the back of that

919
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: tea box. So it's you got to you gotta put

920
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: a pretty good strike on that T shot to go

921
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 3: for that one. But but that will happen, and some

922
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: in the field will certainly be able to get there,

923
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: but uh, for a non trivial part of the field,

924
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: it's going to be kind of auto lay up.

925
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 5: I'm so happy for you, keV. I'm so happy for

926
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 5: Mackenzie that the serendipitous situation in which she was looking

927
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 5: for someone like you and got you as a guy

928
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 5: who has had you on my bag on countless occasions

929
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 5: and a lot of rounds at Pebble. She's she's very

930
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 5: lucky to have you. But you're also really I'm just

931
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 5: really happy that you got this opportunity and that you're

932
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 5: inside the ropes and all of the all of your

933
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 5: hard work and the walks and all the Jabbroni amateurs

934
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 5: you've had to caddy for over the years, has has

935
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 5: lent itself to this opportunity to play, to carry a

936
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 5: bag of real a real professional and watcher, navigate this,

937
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 5: this golf course, this this cathedral, the citadel, as you said, Alan,

938
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 5: and then under these circumstances just really cool. I'm I'm

939
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 5: I'm going to be captivating. I was already going to

940
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 5: be really excited about what was going to transpire, and

941
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 5: then to have you as a subplot to all of

942
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 5: this is really cool.

943
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, Maddie, thank you for that. I will say,

944
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 3: you know, this is the first time I've carried a

945
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 3: real tour bag, a legit tailor made staff bag, and

946
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: I just want to say, for the listeners at home,

947
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: those things are heavy. Okay, they are heavy, Like I'm

948
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 3: in reasonably good shade. I pack a couple of bags

949
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: around those golf courses a few dozen times a year.

950
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a little creaky.

951
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: Tonight after two days of that bag, and it's it's

952
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: like the diameter and the bulk and and yet and

953
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: yet I am light on my feet because there's so

954
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: much energy behind this and we're having a great time together.

955
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: And I love the fact that our mom and dad

956
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 3: are here and super supportive of her. They've walked every

957
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 3: step of the way with us both days. And brother

958
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: flew in today, so he's going to be here. And

959
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 3: it's it's a it's a joy to be a part

960
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 3: of it, and a great event for Pebble, the community,

961
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 3: the game of golf and the and the women's game

962
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: in particular.

963
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 4: So I appreciate you.

964
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: Guys shedding some extra light on what's happened at Pebble

965
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: Beach this week and can't wait to see how it

966
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: plays out.

967
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's well said. That that's a great ending point.

968
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: I will say we we thought about having Mackenzie on

969
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: this podcast. We want to put any extra pressure on her.

970
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: We'll see how the week goes. If if she has

971
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: a nice week, we're going to try and get her

972
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: on Sunday. You need to talk about it, so that

973
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: would be that would be fun as well. But I

974
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: second everything that that Matt said, and it is a

975
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: special thing that we all get to share in. And

976
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: I think the listeners will pick up on your passion

977
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: for this, Kevin, and also your knowledge, and so we'll

978
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: check in with you as the week goes on. I'm

979
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: going to be I'll be out there because of kids'

980
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: schedules and everything else. The one time I could take

981
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: all my kidds on a little family adventures early part

982
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: of this week, but I'll be I'll be out at

983
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: the I'll be out there and write a big game

984
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: story Sunday night and be there on for the third

985
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: round as well. And it's going to be I think

986
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be a great celebration like you said,

987
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: and I actually don't mind the fog. I think I

988
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: think the courses are more beautiful, dear when it's foggy,

989
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, with the cypress trees, and.

990
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 3: It's great, exactly great, great playing conditions with a little overcast.

991
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: It really is kind of less exposure that everything looks

992
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 3: really clear with a with a high gray sky. The

993
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: problem yesterday was we couldn't see where we were hitting it.

994
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: So as long as we stopped short of that, we're

995
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: going to be absolutely good to go all week long.

996
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff. All right, Well, this is another fire

997
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: Drill podcast. That was Matt Janella, Kevin Price is Alan Shipnik.

998
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. We'll be back in your ear

999
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: soon and from Pebble Beach signing off. That's the end

1000
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: of this podcast.

1001
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1002
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm bed big lad the wind nay fortune with my

1003
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: ship game.

1004
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: Man.

1005
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: I ran the table, never thought I could fall, Then.

1006
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: The wind and hit me. Lack of can in the ball.

1007
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 5: And now catch agelists losing the street. Every road I

1008
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 5: take is a dead end street.

1009
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 2: I got thoughts in my head, can't get them out,

1010
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: trying not to think what I'm thinking about.

1011
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: I got thoughts in.

1012
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: My head can't get them out. Trying not to think

1013
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking about,