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Speaker 2: time happenings. Guess what. There's been a trade that we're

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Speaker 2: now going to address, because would we talk about for

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Speaker 2: how many weeks the sleeper. The sleeper need in free

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Speaker 2: agency was backup quarterback. And guess what, Danny, you go

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Speaker 2: ahead break the news that just recently hit that we

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Speaker 3: The Cardinals are getting their backup quarterback via trade with

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Speaker 3: the Atlanta Falcons. Cardinals are getting Desmond Ritter and they

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Speaker 3: are sending wide receiver Rondo Moore to Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: Okay, your initial reaction, Darren Rban, when you saw the

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Speaker 2: news come out, you thought what.

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Speaker 5: I thought, to be honest, I thought, Okay, they got

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Speaker 5: if you have a Jeff Driscoll or something like that.

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Speaker 5: It's more in line of what you might need to

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Speaker 5: back up Kyler Murray I think right now, or.

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Speaker 2: What they had in Clayton tuone one career start, Desmond

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Speaker 5: Yes, winning eight of those games, fourteen touchdown passes, twelve interceptions.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we all know Desmond Ritter wasn't the answer

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Speaker 5: for the Falcons a quarterback. That's why they moved on

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Speaker 5: from him. That's why they're doing something else. But when

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Speaker 5: you're talking about a backup, you're talking about a guy

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Speaker 5: who's played a little bit, who has a SIMP. I

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Speaker 5: don't know if exact similar skill set to uh Kyler Murray, but.

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Speaker 4: He's up there.

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Speaker 5: He can move, which is something that Jonathan Gannon has

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Speaker 5: talked about multiple times about needing a quarterback who can

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Speaker 5: the moving his feet. And then I also think too,

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Speaker 5: and this was after some looking into it, he's under

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Speaker 5: contract for two more years. He only makes one point

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Speaker 5: two million this year, and he only makes one point

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Speaker 5: three million next year.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a double ding.

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Speaker 4: Which when you're.

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Speaker 5: Talking about backup quarterbacks with experience, a lot of them

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or a backup who gets thrust into a starting

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and and really did they play that much better

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that you can't get much out of

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Speaker 4: The nil. It's all that nil you took.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're not living and reach over and grabber car keys.

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Speaker 3: Medicating you can still get what you need from Greg

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Speaker 3: Dorts that you were getting from Rondo More. There was

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Speaker 3: Which Cardinals after what they saw against Cleveland, there's no

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Speaker 3: way they were thinking that with Clayton too. Now with

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Speaker 3: an offseason, I'm sure he's making Strides feel much more

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Speaker 3: comfortable with an experienced quarterback like Ritter backing up Kyler.

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Speaker 3: And it makes sense from the Cardinals' standpoint in terms

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Speaker 2: I mean, how many times did you hear Rondelle Moore

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Speaker 2: Yet it never materialized on game day. His position coaches

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Speaker 2: the plays we just saw at Rondel Moore Darren most

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Speaker 5: There definitely was, And like I said, I think I

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Speaker 5: what happens with the Falcons. You've seen what they've been doing.

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Speaker 2: Mooney big money for a receiver.

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Speaker 5: So I mean Rondelle Moore. It's not like Rondale Moore

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Speaker 5: But again, they were trying to move on from Desmond Ritter.

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Speaker 4: The Cardinals need a backup quarterback, you know.

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Speaker 5: The Falcons get something that they might be able to

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Speaker 5: that's the other reason I like this trade is you

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Speaker 2: Look Rondell Moore. I don't know how many targets he's

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Speaker 2: you're Moni Ausin fort In, Jonathan Gannon, and we saw

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Speaker 2: he's athletic enough where you don't have to change the offense.

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Speaker 2: If not go on wood, Kyler goes down. It's not

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Speaker 2: like you're inserting Colt McCoy and all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: I think that was a wake up call last years

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Speaker 3: Clayton Tuon for a game. Given there were a lot

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Speaker 3: and the offensive line was banged up as well, but

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Speaker 3: Clayton Tune showed that he was just not ready again.

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Speaker 3: Having this offseason, you'd hope to see a big enough jump.

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Speaker 3: I still feel more comfortable having Ritter as that backup

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Speaker 2: And look how many quarterbacks does it take him a

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Speaker 2: few years to truly develop? Now? Am I saying he

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Speaker 4: He threw some really bad interceptions.

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Speaker 2: He threw a red zone interception late in the game

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Speaker 2: that resulted in Carolina's game winning drive. They lost nine

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Speaker 5: I will say I am anxious, and you know, the

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Speaker 5: trade needs its pending physical as we record this, and

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Speaker 5: we're not re recording for a physical, but he and

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Speaker 5: Rondell Moore do have to pass physicals before the new

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Speaker 5: is because we did get a chance, and I know

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Speaker 5: we're not going to get too deep into it this week,

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Speaker 5: kind of people that this team is trying to hold

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Speaker 5: to me, It came across very well in all their

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Speaker 4: And the types of players they want.

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Speaker 5: You know, even though other than maybe Jonah Williams, there

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Speaker 2: It was interesting to hear like a Sean Murphy Bunting

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Speaker 2: in myself. To Darren's points, it's like, okay, there's like

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Speaker 5: I'm not putting anything on the screen right now, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, with no further ado, I think that'll lead

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Speaker 2: the rest of Free Agency in three two one. You know,

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Speaker 2: Here we go. You ready, I'm gonna name the player

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Speaker 4: Are we going back and forth? Or how are we

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Speaker 3: You can head to head? Are you scared?

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Speaker 2: You can?

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Speaker 5: I'm not scared. You can raise the Twitter for three days.

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Speaker 2: Or you can be a gentleman and you can. You know,

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Speaker 2: Here we go. Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson Steelers. Are They're

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Speaker 3: If we're doing city? Your team?

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Speaker 3: Seattle, Oh, it's jets.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't get you much, Darren, Oh yeah, you just happen

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Speaker 2: Uh, Now, if you're feeling yourselves all right, if you're

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Speaker 2: And the running backs who have changed teams, this could

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Speaker 5: spokesman for the team, was the good guy of the

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00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 5: year at least once. Probably he's like Michael Jordan with

439
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 5: in the NBA. Probably could have been a good guy

440
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 5: every year.

441
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 4: True, but you want.

442
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 5: To kind of spread it around. But that's just the

443
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 5: kind of person hump is. And you know, he's not dead.

444
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 5: He's got a ton of money in the bank, he's

445
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 5: got a beautiful wife and a beautiful family. He's going

446
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 5: to be fine no matter what happens. I assume he'll

447
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 5: try and stay in the league after he rehabs and

448
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 5: kind of like just imputed this past season and find

449
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 5: a place to play. But it was a great nine

450
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 5: years and I think we're all obviously going to miss

451
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 5: him around here.

452
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: But he is thirty, yep, and he's highly paid, and

453
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: he was injured, and you have the six pick overall

454
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Speaker 2: perhaps waiting to take his place. Not unlike what DJ

455
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 2: Humphries did after sitting in the coach's doghouse his rookie year,

456
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 2: he started the next season at right tackle, then moved

457
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: to left tackle, ended up starting all ninety eight games

458
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: in which he did appear for the Cardinals over the

459
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: course of the last decade. Basically, and to your point, Danny,

460
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 2: no matter whin or loose, he was there, he would

461
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: meet the media. He would show up for the Big

462
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Speaker 2: Red Rage. And you know, there were some tough games,

463
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: some tough seasons, he would still show up, great personality,

464
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: he would keep everything in perspective. His young kids would

465
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: be there, his family. It was a great sight to see.

466
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 2: But he was a totally different dude on game day.

467
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 2: On game day, as much as we would joke around

468
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: during the Big Red Rage, seventy two hours later, he

469
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't even look at me. I mean, he was like, nope,

470
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: forget these media pencil necks. I'm here to ball. And

471
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: how many times did the Cardinals just put him on

472
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: an island against the other team's best pass rusher. Not often,

473
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: by my count did he get much help from a

474
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: tight end or running back. And one of the great moments,

475
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: and it happened not too long ago, was two years.

476
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 2: It was the Cardinals big win at Vegas in Week two, okay,

477
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: and Chandler Jones was out there. And how many times

478
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: they go against each other in training camp and d J.

479
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 2: Humphes would talk about au Chandler Jones single handedly made

480
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: him such a good left tackle because he went against

481
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: one of the best pass rusler rushers in his prime,

482
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: all those times in camp. So there they were going

483
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: against each other and DJ got rolled up from behind

484
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: and came out of the game, and he was an

485
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: old lot of pain. He came over in the second

486
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: half to the sideline and he was he was in pain,

487
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: and he didn't want to leave the field, but he

488
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 2: had to because you have to leave for at least

489
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 2: one play. And Chandler Jones was yelling at Kyler Murray,

490
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: you better hope he comes back, as in, now you're mine.

491
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: And DJ got wind of that from the sideline and

492
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: he yelled at the trainers, I'm back, get off me,

493
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: get away, and sure enough he went back out there

494
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: and played the rest of the game. Great all time

495
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: moment from the sideline in DJ Humphreys.

496
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Speaker 3: That doesn't surprise me at all hearing that, and again

497
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 3: that's the unfortunate part. Is a great person. This is

498
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 3: just I think the time for the Cardinals in this

499
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: transition phase of You're right, Darren, that even without an injury,

500
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: this could have been the move that was coming. There's

501
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Speaker 3: a chance that by the time Hump has done rehabbing,

502
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 3: whether it's with another team in the league, I mean

503
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 3: there he could have a chance where he's ending up

504
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 3: somewhere at the end of next season. That's a possibility.

505
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 3: I mean, justin you is a good example. It's just

506
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: I mean it, it's it's hard because you try and

507
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 3: be objective and and but when we are around these players,

508
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 3: players like Hump every day, it sucks a little. I mean,

509
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 3: that's that's the truth of not seeing somebody who was

510
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 3: always in such a good mood and so kind and

511
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 3: so honest when he talks to the media.

512
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: When the two of those guys are done playing, they'll

513
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: just start their own podcast and they'll get more downloads

514
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: than the Kelsey brothers. And because those guys have a

515
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: great report they do.

516
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: And Mike and whenever Hump is done, I think we

517
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 3: can expect that six pack he's told us is his

518
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: natural bill that right, that we can expect whenever that comes.

519
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so whenever that comes. TBD didn't take long though,

520
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: to find out who the Cardinals might install immediately as

521
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: a starting tackle. Say hello to Jonah Williams two years,

522
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: thirty million, Darren, is that what we're seeing.

523
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Speaker 5: For this I'm gonna say who might be starting with

524
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 5: the with a pair of Johnson I mean, if you

525
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 5: give him thirty million dollars over two years and nineteen guaranteed,

526
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 5: which is the first report, and we always know that

527
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 5: those can be played with a little bit. And judging

528
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 5: by his market potential market, I'm guessing he had suitors.

529
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure this guy is going to be your starter.

530
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: I'll amend that it's his job to lose. There you go.

531
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Speaker 3: That's how I feel, because I would agree it sounds

532
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 3: like this is coming in as a starter. We're going

533
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,239
Speaker 3: to get a little bit more into his history of

534
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: left or right side. This would not deter me from

535
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 3: drafting a tackle early in this draft if I'm the Cardinals,

536
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: because of how deep this class is, only being a

537
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: two year deal, I could see this as he's your

538
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: starter right now, maybe a job to lose.

539
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: So you don't think this is a tell. You don't

540
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: think this.

541
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: I know now this might be a tell at.

542
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 2: Number four Cardinals are going on maybe or.

543
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: Maybe you're you're a little more willing to trade down

544
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: a couple of spots. I don't think this is a

545
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: tell if you're talking about pick twenty seven or early

546
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 3: in the second round.

547
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Speaker 2: No.

548
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Speaker 4: I also think, and again, when you talk about taking

549
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 4: the best guy you can get.

550
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 5: This is a two year deal. You have cap room.

551
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised if it's front loaded, and it

552
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 5: will not be in his contract, will not be an

553
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 5: issue in a year or two.

554
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 4: So even if you take a tackle.

555
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 5: And you want to move on from Kelvin Beacham perhaps

556
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 5: or something like that, you can make that rookie tackle

557
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 5: be your backup for now and we can see what happens. Now,

558
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 5: does that mean you're taking one at four or eight?

559
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 5: Probably not, but still maybe at twenty seven or in

560
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 5: the second round, we'll see what happens if you see

561
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 5: the right guy. And the other thing, which we aren't

562
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 5: even talking about is, you know, we keep hearing about versatility.

563
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 5: So maybe they take a guy who can play tackle

564
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 5: and guard in the draft, or who knows, maybe they

565
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 5: want Jonah Williams to play there.

566
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 4: Who knows. Paris Johnson played some guard in college.

567
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 2: It's true. Yeah, his second year at Ohio State he

568
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: was the starting right guard the entire season, Paris Johnson junior,

569
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: So you played everywhere or maybe a go after the

570
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: franchise starting center with pick twenty seven or thirty five,

571
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: and maybe because I mean Jonah Williams was the eleventh

572
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: pick overall the twenty nineteen draft. He has the Bama

573
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: pedigree six ' five three ten plus a guy who

574
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: had a right not unlike DJ Jumfries had a rocky

575
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: start to his career Torres labrum during offseason workouts his

576
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: rookie year. Didn't even play a single snap his rookie year,

577
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 2: and then from there he was a starter, and he

578
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: started a left tackle for three straight years until the

579
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: Bengals said, you know what, we need an upgrade. They

580
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: invested heavily into Orlando Brown Junior, and then he played

581
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: the right side this past year.

582
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: That's what is the telling part of this is if

583
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: you're going to bring in Williams, it seems like he

584
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: will be your left tackle for now and Paris Johnson

585
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: Junior is going to stay on the right. That had

586
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: been still is a discussion of Paris having experience on

587
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: the left side, if that's something he wanted to do.

588
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: He told us after the season ended he was going

589
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: to work on both sides this offseason. He has that versatility.

590
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: The report saying that Jonah liked playing more on the

591
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: left side and did have to swing to the right

592
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: last year with Bengals after they brought in Brown. So

593
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: to me, that's what seems telling is you would imagine

594
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: he wants to be somewhere where he can play on

595
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: the left side, if that's where he likes to play.

596
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: Remember though, what Paris Johnson Junior told us at the

597
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: end of the year, he said, how long would you

598
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: take to feel comfortable left tackle? Again? He said, give

599
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: me one full practice, one full practice.

600
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: I believe it too.

601
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about versatility, so you give him

602
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 2: the entirety of this offseason if they decide to make

603
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: him left tackle and look out. But one of the

604
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: reasons Jonah Williams there was speculation he wasn't going to

605
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: be with the Bengals last year is he was upset

606
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: initially at least reportedly that he wasn't going to be

607
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: the left tackle and had to move to right. But

608
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: he did, and he played every single game, and he

609
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: has postseason experience. He made the Super Bowl run in

610
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: twenty one, and he played in the wild card game

611
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: in twenty two.

612
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 5: I mean again, he can play both sides, and Mania

613
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 5: Supports brought this up multiple times. He likes the versatile

614
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 5: offensive lineman. So now He's got two tackles that can

615
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 5: play both sides. Kelvin Beacham can play both sides. You know,

616
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 5: I think I think it's a huge get from the

617
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 5: standpoint of he's even though there's not a lot of

618
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 5: probably name recognition to the fan base because he's a tackle,

619
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 5: he's a first round pick, and he's got the most

620
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 5: named recognition probably out of anybody that they've signed so far.

621
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 5: And we'll get into some of those other names, but

622
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 5: it's it's been definitely a build up the depth chart

623
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 5: kind of free agency up until this point, and I

624
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 5: think that this really is a big deal in terms

625
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 5: of giving them flexibility and also letting you know where

626
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 5: Kyler Murray's offensive line is starting to head.

627
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: Did we get some reports on how it breaks down

628
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: guaranteed money in particular.

629
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Speaker 4: And said nineteen million guaranteed? Now what does that mean?

630
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: I don't know.

631
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 5: Does that mean fifteen million guaranteed this year and four

632
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 5: next year? Or I don't know and we probably won't

633
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 5: know for another couple days.

634
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: I bring that up because Cardinals made some serious investments

635
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: this offseason. Be a free agency now, put my finger

636
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: to the win. If you made me guess many Assafort

637
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: would never want to dip into free agency. He's just

638
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: that sort of mindset. I want to build through the draft,

639
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: but as you're hitting the reset button and you have

640
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: to fill some holes, you know, to Darren's point, it's

641
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: a two year deal, for example, on Jonah Williams, so

642
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: you could easily still go tackle in the draft and

643
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: there's your guy for the next decade, and then this

644
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: free agent signing gets you through the near term. But

645
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: think it's some of the other guaranteed money reportedly Sean

646
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: Murphy Bunting seventeen and a half million, Justin Jones nearly

647
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: twenty million guaranteed reportedly, but while Nichols fourteen and a

648
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: half million, and then Mac Wilson, you know, a contract

649
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: worth up to fifteen million over three years. He wasn't

650
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: a regular starter, didn't get that sort of money. But

651
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: you know, now, was there a Christian Wilkins or you

652
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: know Danielle Hunter who somehow got forty eight million guaranteed

653
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: over two years from Houston?

654
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 4: Why does that surprise you?

655
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: Oh, but one million was guaranteed.

656
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Speaker 2: He's twenty nine, he's had but it's a two of

657
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: his last four years have been ended by injury. I

658
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: just uh, I just thought that was that was extreme.

659
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: The guarantees or guarantee guarantee, the forty eight million guaranteed

660
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: for two years.

661
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 5: Well, first, see here, here's how I look at this,

662
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 5: and I don't mean to get sidetracked on this, but like, so,

663
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 5: you're paying him an averager twenty five year. You know

664
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 5: he's going to get this year's money, so really the

665
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 5: only risk you're taking is next year, and you're hoping

666
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 5: that he doesn't. You let you let a much younger

667
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 5: pass Rusher and Greenard walk away and took this guy,

668
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 5: so you're counting on him being two years now. I

669
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 5: guess it's a risk, but I mean I don't to me,

670
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 5: the guaranteed money on a really short deal doesn't mean

671
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 5: anything to me because that's what you're signing the guy for.

672
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: I mean, if if you're.

673
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 5: Signing a guy to a big deal, especially somebody like him,

674
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 5: to only two years, if you're going into it thinking

675
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 5: he's only gonna give us one year, then then I

676
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 5: don't know how smart that is any or he's only

677
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 5: good enough to give.

678
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 4: Us one year.

679
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: I guess not to get too deep into the weeds

680
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: on Christian Wilkins. You mentioned that was a name a

681
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: lot of Cardinals fans were talking about the defensive tackle

682
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: to get as big of a deal as he did

683
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: in Vegas. Immediately told me, I don't see that. I

684
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: wouldn't have seen that as a fit in Arizona because

685
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: we know that the Cardinals like to have a rotation

686
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: on that defensive line, and if you're going to plant

687
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: pay a dtackle what Wilkins got from the Raiders, you

688
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: weren't gonna be able to take him out of the rotation.

689
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: You were paying for him to play every snap. And

690
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: I just don't know. We don't know if discussions were

691
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: happening between the Cardinals and Wilkins team, But when I

692
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: saw that, I was thinking, oh, I don't know that

693
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 3: this would have been the right fit for what the

694
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: Cardinals want to do where they are at in the transition,

695
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 3: and what Wilkens was clearly able to get elsewhere.

696
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: Well, I'm guessing that the conversation in the Cardinals war

697
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: room Manti Austin for Jonathan Gannon and company was let's

698
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: find some defensive linemen who are liable, who are dependable,

699
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: who we can run out there week after week, especially

700
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 2: after what happened this past season where you lost an LJ.

701
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: Collier and Carlos Watkins right out of the gate. It

702
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: was mid September and you lost. So you bring in

703
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: a guy. Justin Jones, for example, started all seventeen games

704
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: the last two seasons for Chicago. But Wall Nichols right

705
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: started seventeen games the last two years, hasn't missed a

706
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: game since twenty nineteen. Sean Murphy Bunting, who has been

707
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: really reliable between the Bucks and last year for the Titans.

708
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: Mac Wilson, who has played all seventeen games as a

709
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: linebacker the last two years. I mean, you talk about

710
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: the durability and the availability, it's there, and I'm guessing

711
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: that was by design based on what happened last year

712
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: to the d line.

713
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any question about it. I mean,

714
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 5: you look at you know, everybody, all these guys. I mean,

715
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 5: once upon a time, the great Dave mcguinnis. Do you

716
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 5: remember Dave McGinnis, don't you?

717
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: Danny Yep, Titan's radio analyst.

718
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 5: Probably not as Cardinals coach, he would he would he

719
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 5: would often bring up availability is as important as ability,

720
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 5: and that that rings true a lot of the time,

721
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 5: And it doesn't matter what sport it is. You can

722
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 5: be the greatest player ever. And if you miss too

723
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 5: many games and you miss too much time, and nobody's

724
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 5: saying it's necessarily your fault if you're missing that time,

725
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 5: if you get certain injuries.

726
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 4: But if you're not there, you're not there.

727
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 5: And we talk about we talked about the cold business

728
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 5: of DJ Humphreys. I mean again, do I think that

729
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 5: this move with hump could have happened even if he

730
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 5: hadn't gotten hurt. Yes, But the fact that he is

731
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 5: going to miss a chunk of time it just kind

732
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 5: of sealed that decision because as a team, as much

733
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: as it hurts, you can't afford to have a guy

734
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 5: making a lot of money who isn't going to be

735
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 5: able to play for you because with the salary cop

736
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 5: that just isn't conducive to win.

737
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: All right, So let's take these guys one by one.

738
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: Let's start with Justin Jones, right, comes over from Chicago

739
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: six three to three oh nine. He gets the three years,

740
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: thirty million, reportedly for nearly twenty million guaranteed around three

741
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: pick out of NC State in twenty eighteen, originally went

742
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: to the Chargers, and he started all seventeen games the

743
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 2: last couple of years age twenty seven. To Darren's point,

744
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: he played sixty nine percent of the defensive snaps last year,

745
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: sixty eight percent of the defensive snaps in twenty two.

746
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 2: So I mean he's got a motor. I mean he's

747
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: out there and he's probably going to play a lesser

748
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: percentage of snaps under Nick Rawless, considering how he likes

749
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: to rotate his D lineman.

750
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: I would say that that's a fair expectation of what

751
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: we've seen Jones has from what the numbers and then

752
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: seeing things online now, it seems like he's been playing

753
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: pretty well. I mean twenty two tackles for loss over

754
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 3: the last two seasons last year in Chicago, career highs

755
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: in sacks with four and a half in quarterback kits

756
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: with seventeen. And it helps that he is a pretty

757
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 3: good person, consider in fact, he was the Bears Walter

758
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 3: Payton Man of the Year nominee last year, so that's

759
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: nice to have in the locker room. It's clear that

760
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: the Cardinals are beefing up the defense and that D

761
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: line makes sense. Arizona finished with the thirty second run

762
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: defense in the league in large part due to the injuries.

763
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: I mean, Carlos Walkins LJ. Collier done right off the

764
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: bat last season with season ending biceps injuries, so absolutely

765
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: durability and reliability came into play with these signings, and

766
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: I like it. I like the attention on defense on

767
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: the defensive line, especially with how this draft class is

768
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: seeming to shake out of where it's deep and where

769
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: it's not. I'm happy with the attention to the D

770
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: line here.

771
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 5: And one of the things I like about these guys

772
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 5: is they're both over three hundred pounds, so they've got

773
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 5: the beef there to hold up up front. And you know,

774
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 5: are we going to sit here and say that la Yeah,

775
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 5: I remember talking about Blal Nichols and Justin Jones before

776
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 5: before free agency. No, but when you look at the

777
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 5: stats you look at you know, again, are they Pro

778
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 5: Bowl players?

779
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: No, they haven't been.

780
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 5: But we also saw early last season if you get

781
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 5: the right kind of talent, I mean, before the injuries,

782
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 5: I thought LJ. Collier looked pretty good, and I thought

783
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 5: Carlos Watkins looked pretty good, and I you know, the

784
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 5: work done on the defensive line right now by that

785
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 5: defensive staff and what they're doing on defense. I know

786
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 5: they didn't hold up necessarily as we went, but if

787
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 5: you can upgrade.

788
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 4: The talent a little bit, then how many how much

789
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 4: jump can you make?

790
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: Well, Kyle Vannibosch pointed out how Nick Ross and Jonathan

791
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: Ganner really value the versatility as well. They like to

792
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: take their defensive linemen and we know there's some alignments

793
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: where nobody's even even has a hand in the dirt.

794
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: Nobody's living in a three point stance. They're walking guys

795
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: around in the trenches. So they like to be creative.

796
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: And KVB made the point Justin Jones and blal Nichols

797
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: have the ability to play insider out. They can slide

798
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: out to a five technique, can even play the edge.

799
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: It's sometimes if need a defensive end type position. So

800
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: you look at like blal Nichols who at six three

801
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 2: three thirteen, but again he's aged twenty seven as well,

802
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: seven years in the league, fourteen career sacks, but just

803
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: his ability to be stout and Danny, we know if

804
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: you have Kaiser white Plane like you did last year

805
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: and you're bringing in mac Wilson, if you can keep

806
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: those linebackers clean. Right, you get a guy like Blal

807
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: Nichols in there and he's taken up a double team

808
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: and then boom, all of a sudden, your linebackers and

809
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: your two standout safeties can roam side the sideline to

810
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 2: sideline and start making tackles.

811
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we only saw a glimpse of what this defense

812
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: can look like last year because it was riddled with

813
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: injuries that linebackers room as well. Everybody was hit in

814
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: that room. You're not going to get Pro Bowlers for

815
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: every single free agency signing. What you have to do

816
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: as a front office is do your research, rely on

817
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: your scouts, and find the right type of players, the

818
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: right time of people so that you can get the

819
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: most out of your players and get enough so that

820
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: it's alleviating some of the pressure or some of the problems.

821
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: The rest of the defense is havling and having and

822
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: have a bit of a trickle down effect. If we

823
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: saw anything from Jonathan Gannon and his staff last year,

824
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: it's that they know how to get the most out

825
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: of their players. So the fact that these are signings

826
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: to Darren's point that we might not have been talking

827
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: about justin Jones of Rowell Nichols prior. That doesn't scare me,

828
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: that doesn't make me say, oh, I don't know if

829
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: this is gonna fit, what are they doing. I don't

830
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: feel that way at all.

831
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: But look, we all saw it and we can now

832
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: acknowledge it. At the end of last season with some

833
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: of the defensive lineman you had to go with off

834
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: the practice squad. I mean, no name guys. You know,

835
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: December and January looked more like August in terms of

836
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: some of the personnel you were running out there in

837
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: those game situations. I mean, thank goodness for a Roy

838
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: Lopez who really falled out and came in off the

839
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: street from Houston, for example. So it made absolute sense

840
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: that right out of the gates the Cardinals went for

841
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: Justin Jones, Baall Nichols, and then someone that KVB speaking

842
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 2: of was really bullish on and watching his film, Mac

843
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: Wilson from New England and just gauging the reaction from

844
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: the Boston media, a lot of the people covering the

845
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: Patriots were both shocks, surprised and frustrated that the Patriots

846
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: didn't retain mac Wilson. That supposedly the Patriots got quote

847
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: outbid by the Cardinals because you watch the athleticism on

848
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: some of these plays. Just watch his highlight reel and

849
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: you see a guy who's going sideline to sideline. I'm

850
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: just gonna go right now with Mac the knife. I mean, dude,

851
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: knife in there into the backfield, just making play after play.

852
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: And kV B once again was really bullish on his

853
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: bend off the edge because towards the end of the

854
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 2: season he had three and a half or four sacks

855
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 2: in the final few games. He had a two sack

856
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 2: game against Kansas City. And not only is he great

857
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: in coverage and was he one of the higher rate

858
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: of guys in coverage, but he was able to come

859
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: off the edge and really get to the quarterback.

860
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 5: He wasn't a starter, but I know when I look

861
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 5: at him, his frame does not look like he weighs

862
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 5: two hundred and forty six pounds, but that's what he does,

863
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 5: which I really like. I like the fact that he's

864
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 5: a little bit bigger to play that inside linebacker role.

865
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 5: And again, as Nick Rallis has been doing and what

866
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: he did do we talk about the versatility on the

867
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 5: offensive line and the rotation on the defensive line. I mean,

868
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 5: I could see him doing a little of both here.

869
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 5: And I could see him just like with Zavin Collins,

870
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 5: who was officially an outside linebacker and a lot of

871
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 5: times they would do some things with him and move

872
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 5: them around and everything. I could see them doing that

873
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 5: with this guy. And you add him to a with

874
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 5: a healthy Kaiser White. I don't know if he's definitely

875
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 5: going to be your starter, but I could see in

876
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 5: this defense it being very realistic. And if you look

877
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 5: at who they're inside line by barring them taking somebody

878
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 5: in the draft, I mean, who else you got it?

879
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 5: Josh Woods as a free agent. I don't know.

880
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: Chris Barnes was a three sign sign. But when Kyle,

881
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: let's face it, when Kayser White went out and missed

882
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: the last seven games, Cardinals were victimized in coverage. Yes,

883
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: on running backs and tight ends.

884
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 5: Yes, And that's what this guy can do a little

885
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 5: of that. It looks like, I mean, he can makes

886
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 5: some plays. I just I like he looks like he

887
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 5: can make do a lot of different things.

888
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: You know who he looks like, Darren, You might want

889
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: to buckle up for this one. Yeah, because you're gonna

890
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: be writing this story, I say. By Halloween, if.

891
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 5: You say Isaiah Simmons, I'm gonna punch you. Darryl Washington,

892
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 5: Oh well, okay, d Wash does he have a house

893
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 5: in Chandler?

894
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 2: I mean remember when d Wash came into the league,

895
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: he was about six to one and he was about

896
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: he admitted to us on a big Red Rages rookie year.

897
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 2: He was about two nineteen.

898
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 4: No, no, he wasn't.

899
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, he didn't wait two forty six. Now again, mack

900
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 5: Wilson has been around long enough, like he's.

901
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: With is this is fifth year?

902
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it is so. I mean twenty nineteen round

903
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: five pick out of Alabama. He played with Jonah Williams

904
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: six years.

905
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: So like I am good at math? How about that?

906
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: There you go, thank you Anny.

907
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 4: I just again he's he's experienced.

908
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 5: He worked in Bill Belichick's defense, which an excel that

909
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 5: looked like so that's nice. I just I just think

910
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 5: that's one of those signings that could be like Kaizier White,

911
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 5: like nobody was dancing in the streets. Well maybe Danny was,

912
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 5: but nobody was really dancing in the streets for the Kaizer.

913
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: Washington when you got to look at what Kaizer could do.

914
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 3: That's right, And there was a lot of excitement.

915
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 5: So I'm wondering if if maybe Mac Wilson is that

916
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 5: guy this year.

917
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: He also Mac Wilson also was at Alabama the same

918
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: time as.

919
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: Joena Williams, so he was one of the best rated

920
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 2: coverage linebackers according to Pro Football Focus. So right there,

921
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: definitely want that you put them alongside Kaizer White. And

922
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, you know you don't have

923
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: to rely on a Garrett Williams or a Buddha Baker

924
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: or a Jalen Thompson perhaps to check the tight end.

925
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: You know some of these really hello, George Kittle, right,

926
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 2: just put mac Davis over there in coverage.

927
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: And then trigger down effect is how does how do

928
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 3: all these signings in these moves and the pairings with

929
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: veterans and players that are returning to the Cardinals affect

930
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 3: the cornerback play?

931
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: And there's our segue.

932
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: How about that?

933
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: Well done? Sean Murphy Bunting come on down from Tennessee,

934
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: formerly with Todd Bowles in Tampa. He has a ring

935
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: from the Super Bowl run where he was a starter,

936
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: And I have a bit of a hot take on

937
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: Sean Murphy Bunting. But first let's get just to the basics. Okay,

938
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: here's a kid six foot one ninety five. Not exactly

939
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: a kid. I mean, he's in year six in his

940
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: NFL career, but he was a zero star recruit coming

941
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: out of high school in a Detroit suburb. And there

942
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: was an interview with the Titans and he said, well,

943
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: he attributes it at least partially to the fact he

944
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: was a three sports star, big time baseball player, played

945
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: some basketball, didn't go to all the football camps. It

946
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of awareness. Went to Central Michigan. By

947
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: the time he was done, it's Central Michigan in the MAC.

948
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: He was a second round pick by tam He was

949
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 2: also a highly accomplished slot corner nickel corner to start

950
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: his career, and he told the Titans upon arriving last

951
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 2: year that one of the reasons he signed with Tennessee

952
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: on a one year proved deal was he wanted to

953
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: play outside. But I'm wondering, if he comes to the Cardinals,

954
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: could he be your nickel corner and could Garrett Williams

955
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: transition to an outside corner? Is that perhaps what you

956
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 2: had thought of originally with Garrett Williams.

957
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: The one thing that you left out there, Oh boy,

958
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 4: here we go, was that.

959
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 5: Murphy Bunting wasn't particularly awesome on the outside last year.

960
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 5: He still proved that he's really good in the slot,

961
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 5: and maybe it wasn't his best place to be on

962
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 5: the outside. So I think that could be in the equation.

963
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 5: But that's a fascinating possibility about Garrett Williams or whomever

964
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 5: you might put out there.

965
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 2: Because it was Kyle Anibosh, who has connections to Tennessee

966
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: and his intel. He said on the air that Okay,

967
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: you know, talented player, great guy, But to your point,

968
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: Darren as an outside corner, there was a reason Tennessee

969
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: let him go, and Tennessee is known as a team

970
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: that needs corners, So you know, is that telling? What

971
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: does that mean exactly? So he's probably the guy I'm

972
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: most curious about, just to see what he looks like

973
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: in a Cardinal's uniform and how he plays.

974
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 3: I just to me, I don't ca can you how

975
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: do I say this as kindly as possible? It can't

976
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: be a bad signing, right when you're looking overall at

977
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: how the cornerback play was last year? Is that the

978
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 3: nicest way that I can say it right.

979
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 2: I mean he started it saying it.

980
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: Without saying it can't get much worse. You started twenty nine,

981
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: you finished the twenty nine defense in passing.

982
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: I mean you started a six round rookie to start

983
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: the year. You finished by starting undrafted rookie.

984
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: I know I'm not normally the downer. I typically leave

985
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: that to Darren the expert, but I mean, if he

986
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: wasn't great outside, the staff clearly sees a vision of

987
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: where they can see him fitting, whether that is the

988
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: slot or outside. And again, as a staff that has

989
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 3: gotten the most out of their players so far, I

990
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: think it'll be interesting. I think it's interesting what the

991
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: future will hold for the other cornerbacks, the other pending

992
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: free agents, and who the Cardinals aside they want to

993
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 3: have in that room. I think ideally this move of

994
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 3: Sean Murphy Bunting could be a starter, and then you

995
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: look at you address the cornerback's position in the draft.

996
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: I don't know that I'm set that he is your

997
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: starting outside corner yet I think to your point, Paul,

998
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: he can move inside and you move around Garrett Williams,

999
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: that's an ideal situation. I'm not one hundred percent set

1000
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: that this signing would make him a starter maybe in

1001
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: the Cardinals. If the position room doesn't have a massive upgrade,

1002
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: then maybe that's kind of where I'm still Let's see

1003
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 3: how he looks this offseason.

1004
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: I still think it's this sleeper position in the draft

1005
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: corner for the Cardinals, I really do. I'm really curious

1006
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: how they view those top five or six corners and

1007
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: what that means in the war room come draft time.

1008
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: And heck, if it means in the top ten you

1009
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 2: trade down and take a corner, wouldn't be shocked whatsoever.

1010
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: At twenty seven or thirty five. It is deep enough

1011
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: by most estimates, it goes at least six deep. This

1012
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: elite corner class at least first round worthy. So maybe

1013
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 2: Manti Austin Fort, but you can't tell me that right now.

1014
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: Cornerback and edge rusher, especially after the acquisition to Jonah Williams,

1015
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: those are probably the top two needs.

1016
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 3: And it's interesting this does not seem like a deep

1017
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 3: edge rusher class in the draft, so that is a

1018
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 3: question of what are the Cardinals planning on doing there?

1019
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: Well, Darren, what did you make because everyone else around

1020
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: the country made a lot of many Austinport's reaction to

1021
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: Dallas Turner's forty times in Indianapolis. Did I ever ask

1022
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: you that? By the way, when you guys return from India, you.

1023
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 5: Did not tell I mean, look, it's great. Does I

1024
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 5: can't see Dallas Turner is not going to be around

1025
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 5: at twenty seven? No, and is he good enough for four?

1026
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 5: Or do you trade down? As you know, as keeps

1027
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 5: getting brought up, and maybe trade down and take Dallas

1028
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 5: Turner at whatever. I did see one mock draft which

1029
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 5: had Harrison going at three. So then the Cardinals traded

1030
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 5: to what are they They traded to six with the Giants. Yes,

1031
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 5: they traded a six and I'm trying to remember who they. Oh,

1032
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 5: they took neighbors. And then they had the Cardinals trading

1033
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 5: up from twenty seven to twelve, giving up their second

1034
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 5: and third round pick. Oh, and obviously they're twenty seven

1035
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 5: to get Byron Murphy, the defensive lineman.

1036
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: Ou to Texas.

1037
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 5: I do not see them giving up three premium top

1038
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 5: ninety picks for one defensive lineman.

1039
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 4: That's just me. But if it was Dallas Turner.

1040
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: Well, look at this point in the off season and

1041
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: after the beginning of free agency. Guess what what is

1042
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 2: Minnesota doing long term at quarterback? They're sitting there at eleven.

1043
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 2: They just gave Sam Darnold one year ten million. What

1044
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:35,479
Speaker 2: is Denver doing at quarterback right now? Jared Stidham. They're

1045
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: picking twelveth and then of course the Raiders went after

1046
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew, but that's basically a glorified one year deal.

1047
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 2: So those are three quarterback desperate teams that are sitting

1048
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: there in the middle of the first round who have

1049
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: to be looking at the Cardinals at number four, possibly

1050
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: potentially for their future quarterback.

1051
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 3: We haven't even talked about the good news with the

1052
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: Patriots trade Paul Matt Jones to Jacksonville. Great news for

1053
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 3: the Cardinal since they're right behind the Patriots and.

1054
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 2: Draft and what does that mean? I mean they got

1055
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: a six round pick. That's it for mac Jones. So

1056
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: what does that mean for the Chicago Bears and Justin Fields.

1057
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: I love the story how some some fans overnight at

1058
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: Hallas Hall put Yard signs in about Justin Fields, about

1059
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: in support of Justin Fields, that they went up the

1060
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: support him and support of him, and that they that

1061
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: they think they should keep Justin Fields in fact Yard

1062
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: signs at.

1063
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: Hallas Hall, it'll be I mean, at this point, since

1064
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 3: Atlanta signed Kirk Cousins, it's interesting what Chicago's going to

1065
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 3: do with Fields. I don't know that anybody's gonna want

1066
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: to trade at this point. They didn't obviously release him

1067
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 3: and give him the respect of letting him kind of

1068
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: start free agency with the option to land wherever he wanted.

1069
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 3: So at this point are they going to keep Fields

1070
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 3: and draft a quarterback maybe a Calebilians and you just

1071
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 3: keep Fields for a year and you reassess, you can

1072
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: what your options are. Not reassessing your quarterback would be.

1073
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: Here's the sign, by the way, it was in justin,

1074
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: we trust in. That was the sign, the Yard sign

1075
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: put in the grass outside Allas Hall.

1076
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 4: And then to be honest that something Paul would do.

1077
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 4: That's a hashtag.

1078
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: As a former resident of the three one too, you're right,

1079
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: don't surprise.

1080
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 4: He didn't bring it up till the free agent defensive tackle.

1081
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 2: They just don't put it. Don't put it past me.

1082
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: And then someone actually left a sign that said fans

1083
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: want him and they spelled it H number one M.

1084
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: And then fans want him, teammates want him so anyway, okay, okay,

1085
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: so on that front, not to.

1086
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Speaker 3: Be the talk of the quarterback drama in the off season.

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Speaker 2: By the way, what else do you think you know

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00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: is on the horizon so far? I mean in terms

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00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: of you know, is there any surprises? I mean, Darren,

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00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 2: do do we get your overall thoughts yet exactly on

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00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: where the Cardinals are in free agency and what still

1092
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: might be coming and anything take you by surprise, and

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00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: then you're still expecting.

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Speaker 4: The Jonah Williams thing.

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00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 5: Surprised me a little bit to get that quality of

1096
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 5: a guy to plug in and he ends up being

1097
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 5: like the sixth guy they agreed to instead of the first.

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00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 5: I mean, usually those guys come right away. And there

1099
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 5: are still some guys out there that end up could

1100
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 5: be signing some prove it deals and one of them

1101
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 5: probably isn't coming back here, but one of them is

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00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 5: a card like Hollywood Brown, Like we still don't know

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00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 5: what Hollywood Brown is and and what happened to his

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00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 5: possibilities after Mike Williams got released by the Chargers. And

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00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 5: I mean, there's still a lot of names that are

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00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 5: probably gonna sign one year deal somewhere, And I'm I'm

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00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 5: dying to know what happens with Hollywood Brown at this point.

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Speaker 2: There are a ton of Kansas City rumors out there

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00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: that the Chiefs are after a speed receiver, and Hollywood

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00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: Brown is on the radar, So I'm curious. You know,

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00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: where there's smoke, if there is indeed fire, you know.

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00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: But the more time that passes, Danny, don't you get

1113
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: the sense the more time that pants passes, the more

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00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 2: likely it is maybe Hyllywood Brown does indeed stay where

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00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: he's comfortable and stay with a quarterback who happens to

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00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: be best friends with.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I feel like if Hollywood were to be given

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00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 3: a significant larger chunk of money than what he would

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00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 3: probably get from the Cardinals, unlikely a one year, proven deal,

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Speaker 3: it probably would have been leaked or something by this point,

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00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: because that's typically how it kind of pans out. So

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00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: it seems it's as more time passes, it seems more

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00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 3: and more likely that he's not going to find a

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00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 3: big deal, probably nothing more than two years at that.

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Speaker 3: But Hollywood's been hurt the last two years. If you

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00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: look at the tape last season, he had a much

1127
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 3: better year than what the stats say. He was finding

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00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 3: separation he was getting open. He didn't have that connection

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00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 3: when it was Josh Dobbs in at quarterback who didn't

1130
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 3: have that accuracy in the deep ball the way Kyler

1131
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: Murray does. I would still like to see Hollywood back

1132
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 3: in Arizona on a one year deal. That would not

1133
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 3: change the way I would approach drafting a wide receiver.

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00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 3: That would be in addition to We'll see what happens.

1135
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 3: But as more time passes, it feels whether it's Arizona

1136
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 3: or somewhere else, it feels more like maybe a one year,

1137
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: proven deal somewhere.

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00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: Think about it. He's been injured in his two years

1139
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: of the Cardinals. His quarterbacks have been injured. I mean,

1140
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 2: you forget he has played in two years of the Cardinals,

1141
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: not only Kyler, but Josh Dobbs, Colt McCoy, Clayton, Tune,

1142
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: Trace McSorley, David Blough in two years. That's almost a

1143
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 2: fits run at one point, right between Kurt Ryan and

1144
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: Carson Palmer. I mean, that's that's what I feel like

1145
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: when I'm listing all those Rich Bartell exactly, all those

1146
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: different quarterbacks, and then you know he never he never

1147
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: had that other marquee number one receiver alongside him either

1148
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: how many what do you do play half a game

1149
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: with DeAndre Hopkins?

1150
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 3: I think one? One full game, so one and a half.

1151
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: Those are all mitigating factors. Once again, teams are doing

1152
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: their homework on him and to your point, looking at

1153
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 2: some of the film. So but once again, it is

1154
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: an absolutely loaded draft at receiver. So maybe that helps

1155
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: the Cardinals chances of retaining Hollywood Brown. But now as

1156
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: for DJ Dallas, let's get into this a little bit. Okay,

1157
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: here we go. Does this automatically mean Greg Dortch is

1158
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: no longer the return man?

1159
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 4: No?

1160
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: So then how would you see DJ Dallas's role?

1161
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 5: I see it on special teams. I mean, I do

1162
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 5: think he would be your kickoff return guy. I do

1163
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 5: think he would could play other places if he's not

1164
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 5: the punt returner. I do think he replaces Dortsch as

1165
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 5: a kickoff returner and punt returner. I think Dorsch did

1166
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 5: some nice things and I think there will be some

1167
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 5: competition there because I do think DJ Dallas is the

1168
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 5: kind of guy that if he's not returning, he can

1169
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 5: go cover. He can you know, play different parts of

1170
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 5: the coverage teams, especially that Dors probably can't do.

1171
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: Are you guys comfortable with the running back room after

1172
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: James Connor as currently constructed, meaning a Michael Carter, Amari

1173
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: de Mercado, DJ Dallas.

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00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am.

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00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: Are you saying, are you suggesting maybe signing one of

1176
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 3: these big name running backs that are still out there,

1177
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: because that's Cook. I think I'd be kind of in

1178
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: the middle of I would lean more towards with Darren

1179
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 3: of being okay than spending money on a big running

1180
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 3: back that's Elliott. Is that the name you're gonna throw?

1181
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: No, I'm not throwing Elliott out there.

1182
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: I just Connor's your your number one guy, and then

1183
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: you have the other players in that room to supplement

1184
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: if you're going to bring it. So the question is

1185
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 3: too similar. You're spending too much money on what would

1186
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 3: be a similar running back to James Connor what you have.

1187
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 5: So the question, the question is, because Paul really wants

1188
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 5: to ask this, is if James Connor.

1189
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: Gets hurt, if he loses his shoe.

1190
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 4: If he loses his shoe, who the hell is going

1191
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 4: to the shoe store? I don't know what that.

1192
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you're a top five running team three

1193
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: r last four games ran for more than two hundred yards.

1194
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: It is the DNA of this offense right now, I

1195
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: think more than most nationally realize. Okay, do you have

1196
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: that running back who can truly carry the load? If

1197
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: James Connor gets Hurty has such a physical running style.

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Speaker 3: Is that a decision that has been made right now?

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00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 2: No?

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00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 3: So I just maybe be more on your side later

1201
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 3: on in the off season.

1202
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say there's a running back coming on Day

1203
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: three of the draft, and or there's a running back

1204
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: coming like the week before training camp.

1205
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Speaker 3: That I could be more open to. But right now,

1206
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,959
Speaker 3: these teams that are the running backs carousel, I want

1207
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: no part in that ride right now.

1208
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 2: I also wonder about pass rusher. If there's a John

1209
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: Abraham signing right before camp looming and lurking out there,

1210
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: but who Chase Young?

1211
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not lasting through that offseason.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just that tape you put out there,

1213
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Speaker 2: and you know, I mean a Jatavian Clowney, I know,

1214
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: you know, is he's still Actually I thought Jadavian Clowney

1215
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 2: played really well for Baltimore in the postseason. But I

1216
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: just wonder if there's an established veteran pass rusher who

1217
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: might still be on the street.

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Speaker 5: Well, and the thing is is, like, maybe it comes

1219
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 5: after the draft. I we're doing, we're talking this right now,

1220
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 5: and we're we're barely four days into agency. I think

1221
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 5: we can need to get another week or two into

1222
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 5: this thing before we start talking about guys getting picked

1223
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 5: up after the draft or before training camp.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, look, at least right now, you know,

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01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: there's only one Carolina Panthers operation. And I'll just leave

1226
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Speaker 2: with the what I mentioned on the Red Sea Report

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Speaker 2: with you, Danny. My favorite moment of the week was

1228
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Speaker 2: Luke colmb's country music superstar bashing his Carolina Panthers and

1229
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: tweeting out, what are we doing? We didn't get a

1230
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Speaker 2: first rounder for Christian McCaffery. We don't get a first

1231
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: round pick for Brian Burns either. Are we just fire

1232
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: bombing the whole team or what? And then the hashtags

1233
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: slow torture? So yeah, there's uh, there are off there's

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01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: there's winning the off season, and there's losing the off season.

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Speaker 3: So hashtag slow torture. That is brutal.

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Speaker 2: Luke Combs over there, you know, the sidekick to Tracy Chapman,

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Speaker 2: just went on the offensive and that'll do it for

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