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Speaker 1: and Max had explained it as uh ultimate peac hockey. Right,

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Speaker 1: So so check that video out when you get a

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Speaker 1: chance after you listen to our episodes today. Uh, Noel,

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Speaker 1: Max and I I'm Ben. We're really really over the

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Speaker 1: moon to finally get our newest ridiculous show, Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 1: out to the world. These hosts, Aaron and Elizabeth are amazing,

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Speaker 1: and we recorded this podcast under extraordinary circumstances, didn't we know?

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Speaker 1: I mean, these days, what circumstances aren't extraordinary? You know?

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Speaker 1: We do. We've been doing this COVID podcasting business for

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Speaker 1: here you go. Ridiculous History is a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Welcome back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: as always so much much for tuning in. Who is that?

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Speaker 1: That's the one and only super producer, Mr Max Williams.

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Speaker 1: my last of my louis. This may kill my voice,

423
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: but here we go. Mr Glazer. You must see to

424
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: it that I have special permission to smoke all the

425
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: reefs that I want to. I will just have to

426
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 1: put this horn down. That's all I can gladly about

427
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: for a nice fat stick, a gauge which relaxes my

428
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: nerves if I have any. I can't afford to be

429
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: tense fearing that any minute I'm gonna be arrested brought

430
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: to jail. My send a little minded thing like marijuana.

431
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: I just won't carry on with such sphere over nothing,

432
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: And I don't intend to ever stop smoking it, not

433
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: as long as it grows. And there is no one

434
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: on earth, on this earth that can ever stop at

435
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: all from growing, No one but Jesus. And he wouldn't

436
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: dare because he feels the same way that I do

437
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: about it. And nothing but medicine, I gotta say. I mean,

438
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: so many other jazz musicians fell victim to heroin addiction.

439
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: I wouldn't much prefer the sticks of gauge too, you know,

440
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: syringes of smack. Yes, we want sticks of gauges and

441
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: the strings of smack. Put this on the poster. Yeah

442
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: we do this, Yeah we could do this. Yeah we

443
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: we surely. I mean, now it's not even a matter

444
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: of budget. This is like ethically the right thing to

445
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: do exactly. We can agree this. This is an amazing story.

446
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: It also Louis Armstrong has such First off, I I

447
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: get that there's an angle to that letter. H Who

448
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: was he writing that too? Again? But I don't disagree

449
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: his lawyer, right, yeah? Does He wrote to his lawyer

450
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: and he said, you gotta get me a get out

451
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: of jail free car with this pot. I can't be

452
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 1: having this hanging over my head or I will put

453
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: down my horn and that will affect your wallet, which

454
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: is I mean talk about using using privilege for a

455
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: positive you know, I think that's like, that really is

456
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: profound and also to everybody's point. Yeah, I don't like,

457
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: if anything, it's been ridiculous in a bad way for

458
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: drug laws concerning marijuana to affect people the way they have. Uh.

459
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: And there's something in that letter that's really really cool.

460
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: There's not there's never the explicit line you tell Richard.

461
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: There's never like tell Richard, I know that he knows. Uh.

462
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: But that turns out Nixon was kind of a dick.

463
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: That's a very least spoiler alert Nixon kind of a

464
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: dick spoiler for everybody. He's only learning about the president's

465
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: in chronological order. If you're still like, if you're still

466
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: like on Pierce, it gets ready some surprises coming. You

467
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: got some surprises coming. Oh gosh. Yeah, no spoilers. But

468
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: if you gause ever heard this story about like Nixon.

469
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: He has a lot of bizarre stories with celebrities, like

470
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: he gives Elvis a special badge as a drug investigator,

471
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, right, and was out of his gourd. Yeah,

472
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: it's a photo of exactly his eyes are pin wheels.

473
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: There's another one he takes where he's basically just straight

474
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: up Nixon abuses his power. And this one is while

475
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: he's president, he goes and shows Jackie Gleason some aliens. Okay,

476
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: you've heard about this, but that someone got to see

477
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: because Jackie Gleason apparently loved aliens, and he had a

478
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: house that was built in the shape of a UFO.

479
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: And he's like, you know, at this point on his

480
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: fourth wife, and he's like, you know, down the downside

481
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: of his career. So he's like not like bumming. He's

482
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: basically just going around playing golf in Florida. That's his life.

483
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: And he goes on, takes a nap, does again. The

484
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: next day. Nixon is his friend. Nixon is down there

485
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: for like a golf tournament. He goes and he's talking

486
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: to Jackie at the Jackie Gleason golf tournament down in Florida,

487
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: and they're, you know, kicking it around for a while,

488
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: and Jackie's, oh, I just one thing I'd like to

489
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: see in this life before I dies, proof that they're aliens.

490
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: And Nixon's like, you know, Jackie, are I might have

491
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: a little something for you, all right. And so later

492
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: that afternoon, Jackie goes home to take his normal like

493
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, to to two cocktail nap and uh when

494
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: he's like you know, kind of roused out of his

495
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: sleep by the this surprise and they're standing in the

496
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: doorway to his study is Dick Nixon and he's ditched

497
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: his secret service and it's shown up in his own

498
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: private card. He goes, Jackie, I want to show you something.

499
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: So then the two of them drive over to an

500
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: Air Force base and I believe it's in Homestead, Florida.

501
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: They drive through the actually they drive up to the

502
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: gate and then this like you know, young kid is

503
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: sitting there and he's like looking at these clearly civilian

504
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: car coming up or what looks to be a civilian car,

505
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: and then he sees that it's the president driving and

506
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: he's like salutes him, right because he's still a soldier.

507
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: So then they get onto the base and then Nixon

508
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: is just bleating. Jackie glees in around this space and

509
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: they take him into these bunkers and then they go

510
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: downstairs into this basement and he basically shows him this

511
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: uh glass case that the Jackie Gleeson describes looking kind

512
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: of like a coke dispensary, just like, you know, like

513
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: a coke bottle machine. Thank you, And he was like, yeah,

514
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: inside the vending machine, they know this glass front and uh,

515
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: they've got these what looks like mangled children, but they're

516
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: aliens and he's just four and I'll take that one exactly.

517
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: Nixon's like, what what do you think, Jackie? And Jackie

518
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: Gleeson is just this is this what I think it is?

519
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: And Nixon's like, oh, are you back? But this is

520
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: a national security you can't tell anyone. And Jackie's like,

521
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: You've given me the only thing I've ever wanted. What

522
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, what what a great friend you are. He's like, Okay,

523
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: well we gotta go, and so then they go and

524
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: he takes him back to his house and he just

525
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: ditches him at his house and Jackie Gleeson has left

526
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: there to try to like basically put back together his

527
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: mind on the fact that everything he's ever thought and

528
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: wanted to believe and that has been shown to him

529
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: and he doesn't know how to deal with the truth.

530
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: He spends the next two weeks on a bender, trying

531
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: to like forget what he just saw he broke his brain.

532
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: It's like the president this, I mean, this is an

533
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: amazing I know that like Gleason seems like more of

534
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: a boozer. Then yeah, yeah, that calls to question, right,

535
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: did this actually happens having a good nap, totally hallucinating

536
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: that he's got wet brain at this point and he's

537
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: just how terrifying is that to wake from a nap?

538
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: And Richard Nixon is sort of backlit like was that Nixon?

539
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: Was that an alien? Did you have a near death

540
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: experience and just dreamed it was Nixon? Uh? Well, gosh,

541
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: you know what, I vote us we're the ones to

542
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: say arbitrarily, So uh it does. It does strike me though,

543
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: of having all the elements of modern folklore. Right, and

544
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: then for first, just words of the wise. Uh, fellow

545
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: fellow listeners, if you ever wake up and a president

546
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: of anything, any country is at your front door without security,

547
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: run get out. First of all, I say that part

548
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: is pretty sassed of the story because it's like, I

549
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: can't just shake your detail what he did. There's rumors

550
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: that Nixon this was like his thing is that he

551
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: used to try because it was it was He's been

552
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: vice president, so he guess he figured out routines of

553
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: like how to be able to get away. And then

554
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: apparently Kennedy used his routes to get out of the

555
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: White House from when he was VP. So there's like

556
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: all these rumors of like, if you wanted to go

557
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: and see your you know, side action, then you had

558
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: to get out of the White House. They weren't doing that.

559
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: I'll bring it in back then Kennedy had a meth

560
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: amphetamine fueled bend or at a hotel where he ran

561
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: it through the halls. I know you did. Yeah, you

562
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: found that this from his doctor feel Good days. Yes, yeah,

563
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: I thought that was I've never heard that. We did

564
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: an episode on it for something they don't want you

565
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: to know, h and dug up that story and it

566
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: was just the most balkers thing I've ever heard. I

567
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: can't believe. I mean, at the time, um, there just

568
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: wasn't as much reportability for that kind of so there

569
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: wasn't like someone with a camera phone around every corner.

570
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: That could never happen today. Uh, and neither could any

571
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: of these fun Nixon stories because there's no way to

572
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: confirm or deny that really, And they also, you know,

573
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: that the press corps back then, they would be kind

574
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: of like on the side of the people in power.

575
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: It's not to like Gary Hart that they decided, you

576
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: know what, we can make more headlines and make careers

577
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: by screwing these guys, you know, or just Holdingtom accountable,

578
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: you know what that part, Yeah, that that would that

579
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: would be a healthy on era. Right. So this, this

580
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: speaking of segways uh goes into the importance of rumors

581
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: because you know, for a long time the reign of

582
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: Nixon was based on this idea of this plausible deniability,

583
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: this sort of performative stuff, when really there were much

584
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: more like real politic and messed up motivations for his

585
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: calculus behind the scenes. But rumors can be dangerous. Rumors

586
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: can uh bring even more powerful consequences than the courts

587
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: of the legal system, right, the court of public opinion

588
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: can end careers. And this brings us to our second,

589
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: our second exploration for today, for part one of our

590
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: two part episode A Weird Celebrity Arrest. This one is

591
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: not as fun. Uh we are going to I'm thinking

592
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: of the ridiculous crime voice here. Uh, We're not going

593
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: to fall into any of the like. But like the vicarious,

594
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: unnecessarily gory stuff. But we are going to talk about

595
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: a fellow named Roscoe Conkling r Buckle street name Fatty

596
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: story about a fatty by his consent. Uh, that was

597
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: his nickname that he went with. That was like, that

598
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: was part of what his career was based on. And

599
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: Mr Arbuckle had quite a career. Born in eight seven. Uh,

600
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: you probably won't see a lot of his films, you know,

601
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: on TBS or Netflix what have you today, but in

602
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: his day he was like the silent film comic, the

603
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: actor you would mentioned him along with the h Chaplains.

604
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: He was a mentor of Charlie Chaplin, another famously funny,

605
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: famously horrible person that kind of subbed. Yeah he's not

606
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: he's not winning Good Boy awards, that's for sure. Uh,

607
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: he's the Harold Lloyd or Harold Ramos for that. A

608
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: candle to Buster Keaton, who could he actually being the

609
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: one that had like the barn door fall. Yeah, I

610
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: love that bit because you could killed him. And Buster

611
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: Keaton was actually discovered by Fatty Arbuckle. Like this guy,

612
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: this guy was a kingmaker. In addition to you know,

613
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: being kind of a like Robert Downey JR. Avengers erat

614
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: kind of level of fame, right, people, people just knew

615
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: who he was. And one thing that's strange about the

616
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: deification of celebrity is that it often results in the

617
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: public wanting to see someone that they have held in

618
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: high regard laid low. Right. Uh, facts be damned. There's something, um,

619
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: there's a driving urge about that, right, especially in secular

620
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: societies where worship of celebrities replaces the worship of you know,

621
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: traditional deities. So yeah, sorry, pardon my ted talk here,

622
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: but we here's what happens. Our Buckle was set for

623
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: a long and prestigious, uh and and quite successful career

624
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: until there was a tragic death, a scandal that is

625
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: sometimes referred to as the first American celebrity scandal. I

626
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: don't think that's true. I think it really depends on

627
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: how we're defining celebrity, right. So yeah, so if he's

628
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: just like a Hollywood celebrity, then maybe you could say that,

629
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: But sometimes that's just kind of a nice headline to

630
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: grab people. Here's what happens. It's September fifth. Roscoe is

631
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: just having the day, the worst day. He has literally

632
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: just gotten second degree burns on his key star. His

633
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: cars broke down. You know, sometimes you get you get

634
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: a vibe during the early part of your day and

635
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: you think this one's a wash, you know what I mean. Yeah,

636
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's where our boy, Arbuckle is, and

637
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: he's got a really busy film schedule. He's a busy

638
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: dude because he's so successful. He's luminary in American cinema.

639
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: And he says, you know what, I'm gonna take a

640
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: day off. I'm gonna just take some time and the

641
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: kick back. So he gets his friends, a guy named

642
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: Lowell Sherman and a guy named fred fishback weird name,

643
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: but I like the alliteration, and they go to the

644
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: San Francisco hotel and they buy out several rooms and

645
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: they and they have one like two guys are split

646
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: in one room. One guy's got a room to himself,

647
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: and then the third room is like this is the party,

648
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: correct housing room, And they invite a bunch of people

649
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: to that party room to well, you know, carousing party. Well,

650
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: we have to introduce two people here. One person is

651
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: Bambina Maude del Monte and another names they had back then.

652
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: I know, I know, man, I feel like I get

653
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: ripped off. But anyway, Bambina Maud del Mont, remember the

654
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: name in and when you say that name, Baby of

655
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: the Mountain, Yeah, yess a band in there on the

656
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: mountain top to be my wolves. As you know. Someone say,

657
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: that's not a bad comparison to a lot of situations

658
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, unfortunately. Well uh, anyway, So the second character

659
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: we have to meet is del Monte's companion, who is

660
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: a mid twenty year old spy tiring actor named Virginia Rap.

661
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: And Virginia Rap is partying with these folks and things

662
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: go wrong. She ends, here's what we know. I'll tell

663
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: you what is reported, and then we'll tell you what

664
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: actually happens, folks. So Virginia Rap is taken to the

665
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: hospital several days after this party occurs, and in the

666
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: hospital she dies. She dies specifically from period toonitis, which

667
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: was caused by a ruptured bladder. This is a medical

668
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: condition that can occur to many people, especially if you

669
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: have some chronic uh, some chronic problems in that in

670
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: that part of the body. The press then is searching

671
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: for this the age of so called yellow journalism, right,

672
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: so they're trying to figure out what happened to this

673
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: person who was hanging out with one of the most

674
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: famous people at the time. Right, it doesn't look good.

675
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: Law and order, don't don't do dude, No no, no,

676
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: we got yeah. I think if we do it acapella,

677
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: we don't get sued. Max checked us on that. So,

678
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: so this is this is tragic. Someone has died, you know,

679
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: they've died at a very young age, in a very

680
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: unpleasant way, and they have died under what seemed to

681
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: be mysterious circumstances. People need answers. So law enforcement goes

682
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: to Bambina Malmant and del Monte says that our buckle

683
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: has taken this person's life after assaulting her, and the

684
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: police say the police blame it on I kid, you

685
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: not are buckles. Wait, they blame the ultimate death of

686
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: this person on this guy's what they see is his

687
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: overweight body. And he ends up going to trial not once,

688
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: not twice, but three times because the facts don't add up.

689
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: Why does he go to trial so many times? I

690
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: guess you could say he goes to trial four times,

691
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: first in the court of public opinion, second, yeah legally,

692
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: third and fourth legally uh and each one is a

693
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: huge media event. Part of this is powered by William

694
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: Randolph Hurst. You know him, you know him. It's uh

695
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: he is, you know, the magnate upon whom things like

696
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: Citizen Kane or base. He's chasing profits over people most

697
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: of his life. Uh he yelled at journalism, right yeah, yeah, yeah,

698
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: he pretty much spearheads makes that like so profitable. The

699
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: problem is I always think of Worsan Wells whenever I

700
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: hear his name, which seems so unfortunate. Dorrison Wells. It's

701
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: just not fair. Yeah, person, Well it wasn't exactly Mr

702
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: nice guy. Oh no, I'm not saying that, but he

703
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: wasn't and we have to we have to point out

704
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: to that. Zarin. You you were more familiar than many

705
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: people with the history of journalism and with the history

706
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: of of Hearst, because you are a writer for mel magazine.

707
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: Correct anim a journalists at least last they told me.

708
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: But but so I'm gonna lean on some of your

709
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: expertise here because Hearst is thinking of the report again

710
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: of a real person whose life was tragically cut short.

711
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: He's thinking of it in terms of like, not it's

712
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: terrible that someone in their twenties, died so young. He's

713
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,959
Speaker 1: thinking this is okay, this is a way to sell

714
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: papers papers. His immedia thought, wow, okay, so there's the

715
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: we don't even have to caveat that. That's just no.

716
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear. I think history will also

717
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: bear out this truth. I think everybody understands it. As

718
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: a businessman, he would also say this, I don't. I

719
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 1: think he would be mad if you said otherwise. Wow.

720
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: It's the same reason that Trump thinks he's doing the

721
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: right thing by like not paying taxes, and it totally

722
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: with coming out and saying media wise, it leads to

723
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: what we have now. If it bleads, it leads. Yeah, yeah,

724
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: yes we're seeing God, we're seeing quite frankly, if the

725
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: public wasn't hungry for it, they wouldn't do it. Yeah,

726
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: if it didn't sell, So if people were disgusted by

727
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: it and they're buying the papers, and that's another great justification.

728
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: You can say out loud, what the people what they want,

729
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, but it's true. Yeah, so everybody's complicit. And

730
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: oh man, I mean these are these are excellent points

731
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: and it should be somewhat frightening by how like how

732
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: directly they apply to two for anybody listening to this

733
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: far in the future. We're recording in February two. We

734
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 1: hope that things are going well in the future, trying

735
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: to keep it positive, you know, put out sur vibes.

736
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: So this is what happens with this is what happens

737
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: with our buckle. So Hearst is pouring high octane gas

738
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: onto this bonfire morality groups of the time or responding

739
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: they're saying, you know, this is the right thing to do.

740
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: We need to hold these Hollywood elites who are depraved

741
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: by inherently by nature of their profession. We need to

742
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: hold them accountable, and we need to do the right thing,

743
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: which is to murder the heck out of this guy.

744
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, why even bother with a trial?

745
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: This is what everybody is talking about around their water

746
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: coolers there. Uh, they're jazz clubs right now. We're just

747
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: waiting for me to get into the speakeasither, Like, have

748
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: you heard about what's going on with Ruscoe Art? Yeah, yeah, exactly,

749
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: someone says, fatty bastard. Yeah. The what happens there is

750
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: that we see something similar to like the armchair sleuthing

751
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: of social media or read it today. There were there

752
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: were a lot of folks who were like, well, you know,

753
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: I've read several papers, you know, I've read most of

754
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: the articles on this guy, and I'm pretty sure I

755
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: got it. But the problem was there were a lot

756
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: of like the primary the primary source for this story,

757
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: um our Buckle is initially tried for manslaughter. The primary

758
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: source of this story is Ben being a del Monte,

759
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: mont de Mont, and her story is kind of fluid,

760
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's a bit there's a

761
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: bit of a freestyle aspect to it. Sometimes when she's

762
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: talking to law enforcement. She is a close friend of

763
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: our Buckles and has been for years. Other times she

764
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: only knows him, uh for for through a couple of

765
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: like Hollywood party meetings. You know, she doesn't really know

766
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: its full name, etcetera, etcetera. But importantly, she also had

767
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: some priors related to extortion and blackmail and was known

768
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: and this is again just reporting at the time, was

769
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: known to be involved in uh, involved in sex work

770
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: in an illicit way. So she would she would be

771
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: contacted to take people to parties like this and then

772
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: later perhaps should should it seem advantageous to do so,

773
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: she would uh extort these people? And this was this

774
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 1: was proven through those existing prior convictions. Now she working

775
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: with like tabloid photographers to like run like Hollywood stings?

776
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: Is that what she is like because she con not

777
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: a con artist, but somebody's basically gonna ran like an

778
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: extortion scam on these people. Honeypot, honey pop trap? Is that?

779
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: But is he working with like other like the lesser

780
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: journalists not of the hearse quality, but those like Look

781
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: not Look magazine like whatever, the Keyhole magazine and the

782
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: ones were like much more tabloid e. Now that's an

783
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: excellent questions here, and I I don't have I don't

784
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: have that. I wouldn't be necessarily flummis. I don't know

785
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: if that's a good word for this. I wouldn't necessarily

786
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: be astonished were that the case, because this was like,

787
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: this was a modus operendiz. So if it were profitable

788
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: maybe to sell those photographs, then I could absolutely see

789
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: that occurring. Especially you know, I'm not aware of how

790
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: far along still photography was at that time, but I

791
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: think that technology would maybe make it different definitely. Yeah,

792
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: you can find like from like Hollywood, Babylon, they have

793
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: the book Hollywood Babylon, a bunch of those old scandals.

794
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: And the photo photography isn't great, but it's no different

795
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: than the news photography. You know. You'll you can get

796
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: photographs from the nineteenth century, so they have the ones

797
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: of like they're just a little bit more grainy than

798
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: we're obviously used to. But he doesn't take much to

799
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: be like, that person's naked, that person is on top

800
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: of them. Okay, yeah, so so in that case, I

801
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: would I would need to check this, but I would

802
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: not be surprised were Delmont involved in this. There is

803
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: another piece of evidence I'd like to produce that doesn't

804
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: make it. It's it is thank you, it is uh.

805
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: A series of telegrams, two telegrams on record that she

806
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: sent to one to an attorney in San Diego, one

807
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: to an attorney in Los Angeles. Being telegrams, we could

808
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: go with a transatlantic voice. We have Roscoe albucle a.

809
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: Holy hitch has to make some money out of the stop.

810
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: That's not I added this just because I wasn't. I

811
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: wasn't there when people did telegrams. I assume you have

812
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: to say, isn't the implication there that these are like

813
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: new sentences. I didn't understand why that was necessary. It

814
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: was I think it was basically period. Yeah, and it's

815
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: the b B B B. You need to have that.

816
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. I guess it's true. It's

817
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: probably helpful for the people that are translating it on

818
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: the fly. So she sent these telegrams. Two attorneys say not,

819
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: you know, we will find justice for this person, not

820
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: someone committed heinus ax against my friend. But uh, instead

821
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: we have this, We have this wealthy guy, you know

822
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: what I mean in the corner. Let's make some let's

823
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: make some cash, Let's make some scratch. Uh. The hospital

824
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: that also treated treated rap found that there were no

825
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: marks of violence on her body, no signs that she

826
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: had been attacked. The stories quickly fell apart. But this

827
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: was such a scandal. Again, this is like when people

828
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: were talking about this the way they talked about television shows,

829
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: the way people talked about Lost or Breaking Bad, you know,

830
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: or Game of Thrones preseason eight, and the the the

831
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: thing was, these are people's real lives. You know, a person,

832
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: an innocent person, is dead, but that instead becomes sort

833
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: of a character in what may as well be a

834
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: serialized story as far as hearst is concerned, because it

835
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: continually predictably guarantees profits. Uh this you know, our buckles

836
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: life is getting ruined his his first trial. Uh, I

837
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: should say, he turns himself in and he's in jail

838
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: for three weeks. There's a mug shot about him. There's

839
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: a mug shot of him that makes a way, it's

840
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: way about the news. He doesn't make public remarks. His

841
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: lawyers and sisters innocent, and they say, hey, folks, let's

842
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: not jump to conclusions. Let's figure out what's actually happening.

843
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: But they're saying, no, no, no, no, no, he did it.

844
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: I've read several articles you see in the papers. And

845
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: when he gets charged with band slaughter, ultimately the evidence

846
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: that like even when the telegrams come out, Uh, the

847
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: prosecutors take him to trial, the newspapers never run our

848
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: Buckles side of the story, which is that he was

849
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: never even alone with this person, much less uh much

850
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: less hostile towards them. His reputation is ruined. Even though

851
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: the folks mentioned earlier Charlie Chaplin, great actor, terrible person,

852
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: buster Keaton, Uh legend, I don't know anything bad about

853
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: him yet, Uh, they came out and they were like, no,

854
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: this is a good dude. Roscoe is not the type

855
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: of guy to do this. We've known him for a

856
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: long time. And the prosecutor even gets a even fights

857
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: back against the doctor who takes Rap to the hospital

858
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: from the hotel, and she says that our buckle did

859
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: not try to assaulter or have you know, make some

860
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: sort of act of violence against her, And the prosecutor

861
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: in court gets that dismissed as hearsay, I don't know

862
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: how because the doctor says this, or the doctor says

863
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: the doctor says that Rap you know, like, yeah, she's

864
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: in the hospital for several days before she expires, but

865
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: she is you know, um, she is maybe intoxicated, but

866
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: she's obviously not well. Um. And the doctor on the

867
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: scene says, I asked her, you know, somebody hurt you

868
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: or harmed you in some way, and she's like no, no, no,

869
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: And it's like did apparently in the hotel, As the

870
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: doctor relates later and try apparently he asked her specifically

871
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: about our buckle and she was like no, no, no, no,

872
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: nothing happened. Like she said, he did not try to

873
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: assault her. The prosecutor gets this point dismissed. Our Buckle

874
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: goes to the stand in his own defense, which people

875
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: don't usually do. Yeah, the jurors vote for his acquittal.

876
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: Prosecution comes back tries him a second time. Jury is deadlocked.

877
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: Third trial March of nineteen two. Our Buckle oh ar Buckle. Also,

878
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: by the way, throughout the entire Hearst newspaper thing, throughout

879
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: the entirety of the first two trials, his his defense

880
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: team is going to him in private and they're saying, hey,

881
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: we found some dirt about rap, we found some dirt

882
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: about this, this person who died. And our Buckle said, no,

883
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: that's messed up, Like you can't respect him on that. Yeah,

884
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: he was like, she's dead, why would you why would

885
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 1: you drag her name through the mud like that, especially

886
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: assassinator character after she's been colled. Yeah, exactly, you know,

887
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: and uh then I respected as well. But by the

888
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: third trial he said, okay, you can call those character witnesses.

889
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: And the history is a little divided. What happened, like

890
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: why he did this? Was he increasingly desperate, was he

891
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: increasingly broke? I mean, he spent seven hundred thousand dollars

892
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: on on this defense, and they I think that makes

893
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: it time for an inflation calculator. Yeah, so if the

894
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: max boop, the fantasy max boop. So if we take

895
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: an inflation calculation at this and we say seven hundred

896
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in nineteen two, uh, what would that be?

897
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: Seven dollars in? Can we all take guesses? Yes, let's

898
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: all I guess? All right, Elizabeth, we'd like to guess. Yeah,

899
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: someone else first? Okay, thousand back, then I'll go with

900
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: three point three million. All right, we've got three point

901
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: three million on the board. I'll go four point two.

902
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: We've got four point two million on the board. Mr

903
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: Noel Brown, four point three p right, surprise is right,

904
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: like discussing a dinete set called darn it. Oh my gosh. Uh, next, Dave,

905
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: would you care to place day? You're gonna do it

906
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: to me again, super Dave? Alright, and I'll go eighteen

907
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: point nine million. Oh wow, Okay, Well we've got to

908
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: spread I have course some accused. Uh. If we could

909
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: get a drum roll, seven hundred thousand dollars in nineteen

910
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: twenty two is worth in eleven million, six hundred and

911
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: sixteen thousand, seven hundred and fifty dollars superproducers, yes, respect

912
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: of superproducers. Also you get nothing. You win the glorious

913
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: no prize, no comic book reference, and then yes, the

914
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: no prize. Uh so you win the no prize backs,

915
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: but you know, give yourself a sound cue bro yo

916
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: that you have to find and editing prize. Here's a

917
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: homework assignment for your prize, punishing the honors students. Yes,

918
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: so so maybe that maybe that enormous expenditure made him

919
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: increasingly desperate. Right. Anyhow, the these people take the stand,

920
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: these character witnesses, and we're not going to spend time

921
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: victim blade, right, I don't think we should. But they yeah,

922
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: they take the they take the stand, and they also,

923
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: by the way, call into question some of the things

924
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: that Delmont says. This results in April the twelve, the

925
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: jury not only a quitting our buckle after three goes

926
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: around the courtroom, but they just deliberated for about five minutes.

927
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: And I found a right up of this in Smithsonian magazine,

928
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: a great article by Gilbert King, which relates a quotation

929
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: I had not found before, uh where the jury spent

930
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: four of those five minutes writing an apology to our buckle.

931
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: They didn't even call him fatty anymore. It starts with

932
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: acquittal is not enough, Roscoe Arbuckle, we feel that a

933
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: great injustice has been done to him. And then they

934
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: go on and like um, they go on and explicitly,

935
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: sort of point by point talk about how they couldn't

936
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: find anything in this this story doesn't make sense. So

937
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: he is out. However, the court of public opinion is

938
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: still in session are Buckle. As a result of this,

939
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: of the scandal is done. Zo his banned from appearing

940
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: on screen. He even changes his name to William be

941
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: Good rich or it's going to be good and richly

942
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: put on his vision board. He's going to manifest this turnaround.

943
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: Clean slate. Elizabeth is painful, No, right, it's like a

944
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: little on the notes that just uh. And so if

945
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: we we fast forward, we see he's working behind the scenes.

946
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: He still has friends in a Hollywood but his star

947
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 1: has his star has shot to the ground, you could say.

948
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: And in June of three he dies of a heart

949
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: attack in a hotel room. He's forty six. Legend has

950
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: it that it was the same day he had signed

951
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: a deal for his comeback feature film. And you know,

952
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: we can't conclusively prove that. But what we can conclude

953
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: from this story is that the guy himself was falsely

954
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: accused of of a crime he didn't commit, and in

955
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: this case, a crime that didn't occur. Um, I don't know.

956
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,439
Speaker 1: You know, we can keep it in, but I don't

957
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: know if you guys hear the sirens in the background

958
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: from where I'm podcast, Okay, good, good, because I was wondering.

959
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: I was wondering if that was just like a segue

960
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: from the outside world worst upon us. But I do

961
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: have to ask, I do have to ask what what

962
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: this story in you all's opinion can tell us. I

963
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: think you can tell us some some things that could

964
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: be misleading about the modern day, you know, like the

965
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: idea of a chord of a public opinion. But honestly,

966
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: this story to me seems like it could be misused

967
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: in the modern day. You know. That's to me that

968
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: makes it. It makes it something worth remembering, but something

969
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: worth being aware of because we have seen what about

970
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: is M. We've seen victim blaming. We've seen people say like, well,

971
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes people make stuff up. And I want

972
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: to draw there distinction the victim of this, the person

973
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: who died wrapped was not involved in any kind of thing.

974
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: She she became like our buckle, a character to people

975
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: instead of a real person, symbol of some sort, you know,

976
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: And I just I would love to hear you all

977
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: thoughts on on this story. Whenever you turn a person

978
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: into a signifier or a symbol or something that is

979
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: not rooted in their humanity and you use them for

980
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: your own purposes, we see this a lot in the

981
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: crimes we talk about. It's usually the con men, the extortionists,

982
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: the scammers. They will be able to read a person

983
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: and it's like see what they want. But they often

984
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: see a person better than the public sees these people

985
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: like in a sense, they are able to see their

986
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: humanity and see their emotions and appeal to them and

987
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: go to their confidence. So these criminals are often more

988
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: sensitive to their fellow humans than the crowds and their

989
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: response as a mob and the desire to see justice

990
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: be done according to your dictates and not actually as

991
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: a process. You know what justice should look like because

992
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: we have set it up, you know, you how do

993
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: we want to look at hundreds of years ago, thousands

994
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: of years ago, we decided what we believe the process

995
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: of justice looks like, and people don't commit themselves to

996
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: that because it takes time and is oftentimes where you

997
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: don't know the answer, and people do not like either

998
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: of those who do not like to wait for what

999
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: they want and they do not like to be stuck

1000
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: in a position where they don't know. So because of that,

1001
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: people rushed judgment, which we know about. I mean, there's

1002
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: plenty of movies from the last century about exactly how

1003
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: often that is the case. But often on top of that,

1004
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: I think the part that we're you know, the kind

1005
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: of focusing on is when you have a female victim

1006
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: and a male perpetrator, and people can focus on that,

1007
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: then the truth of the matter is going to be

1008
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: lost in all of our social dynamics and less so

1009
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: on their. So we really have a hard time seeing

1010
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: those crimes, in particular because of our views of men

1011
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: and our views of women. So it makes it really

1012
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: hard to have an accurate view of In this case

1013
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: of victim who apparently died from paratonitis and her own

1014
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: last words are dismissed in the court looking for her justice,

1015
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: and that to me is just really the indictment of

1016
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: this whole process is her last words what she would

1017
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: be able to say if this doctor is accurate. And I,

1018
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: once again I didn't I didn't read the story. I

1019
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: don't know who this doctor is. But I have to

1020
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: trust that they were trying to live up to their

1021
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: code of do no harm and this would definitely be

1022
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: harmed to their patients. So I have to believe that

1023
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: they are telling the truth in this instance, where I

1024
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: will give them the benefit of the doubt. And if

1025
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: that is the case, and if I was a juror,

1026
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: that's what I would be focusing on. Is this victim

1027
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: in this process? And now we have apparently a second

1028
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: victim of this process because the process becomes unruly because

1029
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 1: of the demands of the prosecutor, who apparently is trying

1030
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: to do like an appeal to the public and get

1031
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: this victory because the people are paying attention. Whereas would

1032
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: they have done this if this crime was not a

1033
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: famous person, would they have put this zeal in this

1034
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: desire to try them four times? So I think it

1035
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: tells us a lot about us and less about the crime.

1036
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: Well said, very well said, yeah, uh so there's just

1037
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: just for that, Like on that note, I think you've

1038
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: made such a great point. We should point out that

1039
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: the prosecutors a guy named Matthew Brady. I didn't bring

1040
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: up all that said. I'm just pointing out, oh, I

1041
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: don't think the name is significant. I just want to

1042
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: shame him from beyond the grave, but that it's not

1043
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: Matthew Brady. The I guess the good lawyer like, yeah,

1044
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: I think, well, no, would that be. At the same time,

1045
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: I've probably be in two roast against Williams Jennys bron Right,

1046
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: the Matthew Brady wasn't that the prosecutor in the Scopes

1047
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: trial against William Jennings Bryan. He's not even that good man,

1048
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: He's not even that important. It's Matthew A. Brady. It's

1049
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: interesting is when you're talking Zarin about people want to know,

1050
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: and you look at the public desire to put these

1051
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: celebrities under a microscope and know all these things. But

1052
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: we can't ever really know. You know. We talk about

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Speaker 1: the crimes, and these are the ones that we just

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Speaker 1: know about. There are so many that don't. We have

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Speaker 1: no idea what's happened. But I keep thinking of rap

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Speaker 1: telling the doctor, no, it wasn't Fatty Arbuckle. But at

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Speaker 1: this point she doesn't think she's going to die. She's

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Speaker 1: just in pain in the hospital, and she doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of agency in this, and so it's

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Speaker 1: probably to her favor no matter what happened to say no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't him, because if she recovers and she's named him,

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Speaker 1: then she's going to have to live alive as this victim.

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Speaker 1: Good point, and that's that will destroy you. Um. But

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Speaker 1: and we don't know people's motivations for what they say.

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Speaker 1: We don't know her associates, motivations, we don't know. You

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Speaker 1: know all of these things, but we like to think

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Speaker 1: we know because we've read it or this person has

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Speaker 1: said it. And you know, Ben, as you were saying, well,

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Speaker 1: I've read it, I've read some articles about this. Well, alright,

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Speaker 1: step back. Now you know everything, you don't you know

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Speaker 1: what's been sent to you. That's part of why you

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Speaker 1: have to really think critically about all these things. You

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01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: can take this information, but asking for critical thought of

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Speaker 1: the public isn't heavy lift. What I love about that

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Speaker 1: kid Paris and Elizabeth is doubt. I'm picturing a situation

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Speaker 1: where let's say you're the doctor. You're trying to save

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Speaker 1: someone's life, and someone uh, you know, like the someone

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Speaker 1: on the scene says the classic line is there a

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Speaker 1: doctor in the house, and then two two people stand

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Speaker 1: up and one is like, I'm a cardiologist, and the

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Speaker 1: other ones like, I watched All the Gray's Anatomy. So

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Speaker 1: maybe pump your brakes right now that the same as

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Speaker 1: you are now different are adjacent? Is it? Is it

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Speaker 1: like in the same extended universe kind of like the

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Speaker 1: ridiculous universe or hospital shows kind of potentially occupy that

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Speaker 1: same shared you know. I like that it makes them

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Speaker 1: make a lot more sense that way, because it explains

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Speaker 1: the character actors who are continually going to different hospitals

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Speaker 1: making the rounds. And this, Uh, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: that is so well said Elizabeth and Zerin and that

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Speaker 1: that is the point uh, to take away from uh,

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Speaker 1: from a story like this, and these are real people

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Speaker 1: and this is the same society in many ways in

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Speaker 1: which that story occurred. And the President of the United

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Speaker 1: States was moving weight across the border, or the vice

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Speaker 1: president future president not to split hairs, but yet known

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Speaker 1: drug mule Richard Nixon, uh and and uh and music

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Speaker 1: legend Louis Armstrong, and then many many other people are

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Speaker 1: actually people and not just necessarily these stories that we encounter,

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Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that I personally love

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Speaker 1: about Ridiculous Crime. No, I massively enjoyed this. I can't

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Speaker 1: wait for part two. Man, this is one half of

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Speaker 1: the show today and you barely have to eight. Ben,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do it, and mean immediately, that's gonna maybe

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Speaker 1: take a maybe take a break. I think I would

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Speaker 1: like that as well. No, same, and I also can't

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Speaker 1: wait to just binge all of the episodes of Ridiculous Crime.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you have told you this, Ben,

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01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: but I've recently got into listening to podcasts. Took a while.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a shoemaker's children have no shoes situation,

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Speaker 1: you know, doesn't listen to podcasts. But would you recommend it?

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Speaker 1: You and liking it? I've been liking it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I have found my niche. I found like I

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Speaker 1: really like a movie and TV and pop culture conversations,

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Speaker 1: and I also like history. So I'm not gonna add

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Speaker 1: you guys to the queue, especially since you're in the family. Um,

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Speaker 1: the welcome and congratulations and uh and thanks for hanging

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Speaker 1: out with us today on the show. Oh dude, We're yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're big fans and we're so stoked to join the

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Universe. It is a great pleasure and honor to us.

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Speaker 1: And uh we're looking forward to doing you guys proud.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for classic up the place. Yeah, stop having

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Speaker 1: a better stop having a better show than us. You So,

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Speaker 1: so I did, I did tell all that off air.

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Speaker 1: So uh we are going to we are going to

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Speaker 1: pause for today. We're going to return with more stories

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Speaker 1: of strange celebrity bust in the meantime, Elizabeth Jared, where

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Speaker 1: can people find Ridiculous Crime? Where can they learn more

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Speaker 1: about the show or about your individual work? Well, there's

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Speaker 1: a very social media feeds like we have a Ridiculous

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Speaker 1: Crime on Twitter, my Space, crime on friends skirts. We

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Speaker 1: also have a Ridiculous Crime. We have a mailing list

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Speaker 1: that you can be a part of. We have door circulars,

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Speaker 1: so we just go around your neighborhood hanging up circulars,

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Speaker 1: local pizzas you said, not foppy disks like America Online.

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Speaker 1: I set up a table and for ten dollars you

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Speaker 1: can buy this book of coupon love that Love. I've

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Speaker 1: got the girl Scouts putting us on their cookies. So

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Speaker 1: we're hoping up going to I push the numbers outside

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Speaker 1: of the cookie outside of the girls Got cookie box exactly.

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Speaker 1: But like a mystic person, you really criming should buy

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Speaker 1: space on those little coffee cups they have in New York,

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Speaker 1: you know, like the Greek ones with you know, just

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Speaker 1: just I'm liking this. You got ideas, We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to talk offline, but in all seriousness, you can Instagram. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I heard Network, Apple Podcast, all those type of places

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Speaker 1: for the show Ridiculous Crime. Yeah, everything is at Ridiculous Crime.

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Speaker 1: You guys got Ridiculous Crime. I'm telling you man for

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Speaker 1: our show stuff that it wants you to know. We

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Speaker 1: couldn't even get that someone already had. I think we

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Speaker 1: had to go with like conspiracy stuff show. Well. Also,

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Speaker 1: that's a terrible that's a terrible, terribly long name. We

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Speaker 1: weren't thinking about that when it was a YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: But but yes, uh, get thee to the podcast platform

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Speaker 1: of choice and check out Ridiculous Crime. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to take our work for episode are out now highly recommended. Uh, Noel,

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Speaker 1: I guess we can. We can tell people where to

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Speaker 1: find us. But now it's it's I mean, we didn't

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Speaker 1: get the whole name across everything. It's okay, well we

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Speaker 1: know it's not true. We are We're at what are

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Speaker 1: we at? We're at ridiculous history for Oh, okay, are

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Speaker 1: we so? I don't even know? Just follow us as individuals.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. You can find me on Instagram exclusively.

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Speaker 1: I am at how now, Noel Brown, Ben Bowling. How

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Speaker 1: about yourself? Uh? You can find me on Instagram in

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Speaker 1: a burst of creativity, I'm calling myself Ben Bullen on

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Speaker 1: their app l I and I did, I did, I

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Speaker 1: did Ben Bully and three is really mad but we

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Speaker 1: smashed the beef. Uh and you can find me on

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Speaker 1: Twitter app and bullying hs W. Various behind the scenes misadventures.

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Speaker 1: Thank you as always, the superproducer Max Williams. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: the super producer Dave Coustan, who is now going by

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Speaker 1: super Dave. I saw you logging into the uh DMV

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Speaker 1: and various things changed the name, and thank you. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, True ridiculous crime. Thank you for having us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Listen you next time, folks. For more podcasts

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Speaker 1: from my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows,