WEBVTT - Pretend w/ Michael Welch 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:08.840 These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:10.200 These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:22.360 Done done. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.760 Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up n SVU podcast. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.640 My name, as always is Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:36.040 Hello. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.159 Every week we talk about an episode of SVU, the 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:41.360 true crime it's based on, and then we talked to 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:46.000 a guest from the episode jam Packed Baby Yeah. 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.199 And we got a long one this week. This was 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.680 a long one. We go on some tangents. You guys 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.919 aren't surprised, so I don't know. It didn't seem long 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:53.760 when I listened to it. 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.680 On this scam likely there has been an uptick in 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.680 fucking scam calls. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.760 Em I'm gonna have to start a new email account. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.920 It's non stop and they're sending things where it's like 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.520 there was a charge on your car click here to confront. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.640 I'm like, this is something that would get me. Thank God. 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.000 I tricky tricky fishing. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.319 Before I respond to anything, I send the screenshots to 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.640 my sister because I just been like, is this real 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:22.480 or fake. Has my social Security number been compromised? 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.399 I just can't tell guess what they're never emailing you 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.560 about that. They're never emailing you to tell you that 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:30.319 your social security has been compromised. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.680 Well, we got to talk about the number one thing, 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:34.600 your birthday yesterday. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:39.399 Oh yeah, before we hopped on with Hannah and on Aalise, 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.800 I was telling them about how I overdid it a 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.640 little bit and I had to lie down. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.200 Yeah, you definitely had to lie down, but it was 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.120 also you were so close, like we were leaving in 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.480 ten fifteen minutes and you just collapse. 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.120 I was like, I just need to lie down for 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.200 fifteen minutes before we get into a car to go home. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.320 But it was amazing. My friends were the best people. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.040 They got a car service to pick me up and 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.120 take up, pick us up, take us to this hotel. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.000 We stay it by the pool. We had drinks, we 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.240 had food. It was amazing. I had the best day. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.040 It was so awesome. And then people sent me flowers, 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.919 people sent me cupcakes. You guys all wrote such lovely 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.080 messages on the Instagram. I had the best day. It 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:19.720 was nice when I got home too, because of my 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.160 little lie down. My total lie down. With the fifteen 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.160 minutes at the pool plus the thirty forty five minutes 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.440 home was about an hour. So I did sober up 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.200 so that I could be around my children, which was good. 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.560 They were really cute when they signed, they were like mom, 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:33.359 and I was like, oh, this is cute. I'm glad 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.519 I'm spending a sum time with my kids on my birthday. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.360 Just the right amount of time. Two hours before bedtime? 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.119 What did you do at night? We ordered food from 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.359 a plate from Joy, a place that I know you Joy. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.040 I ordered Joy too, You did? I did? 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.800 I ordered Joe last night in bed, Yeah, but I 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.360 didn't get Joy. I didn't get the thousand layer pancake 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.760 like I normally do. Since we had multiple pizzas at 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.960 the pool, I was like, I'll stay healthy and get 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.200 shrimp Wanton's JK. 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.080 I actually couldn't finish my pancake, and I was like, 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:05.799 why can't I finish this? And then I was like, oh, 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.440 I ate so much at the pool. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:08.440 Oh. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.400 I love pool food. I love a club stand. I 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:17.320 love pool. Yeah, refreshments. What is it not recession stand? 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.680 What is that called? Yeah? 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:20.600 Concessions? 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.480 I love concessions at the pool or like country club food. 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:24.760 Not that. 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:28.239 Why are they called concessions. I don't know. A concession 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.400 is when you concede something I don't know. Maybe you're like, 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:36.040 I guess I'm eating it's the Yeah, i'd see the 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:40.360 dogs and you knew the bartender. The bartender went above 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.880 and beyond. He was really he was good. The bartender 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.080 was so cool and he knew we had a friend 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.480 in common, so he gave us some stuff for free 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:49.680 and was really cool. 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.840 He gave us some I didn't realize how hammered I was, 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.440 but I did take I think four shots alone, because 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:55.360 a lot of you would. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.320 Drink with me. I don't even know you were taking shots. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.720 I cash. That's how That's how out of it I was. 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.440 But I remember all of our conversations. I just remember 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.280 at the end being like, I gotta lie down my stomachs. 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.720 My problem is I was telling them this too. I 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.520 love mules. I love Moscow mules, I love any kind 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.240 of like mule, and they just taste like nothing, and 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.440 so I just drink and drink and drink them. And 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.240 then it's like, oh, you've just had a lot of 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.279 sugar and a lot of alcohol, and it's it always 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:22.640 hits you. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.000 So you know Charlie's Taco's by my house, the food truck, 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.920 the red one. Yes, yes, so they have a caso 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:34.240 taco always on their truck. Right, it's basically a casadilla 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:38.280 but in a hard shell. I want that, right, But 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.279 there's me in the picture and she goes, you want this, 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:41.680 met I go, yeah, I'll take that meat. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:42.320 I'll try it. 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.160 And then I google it later and it was donkey. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.440 And I'm not like shading anyone for eating donkeys. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.840 I just do not want to eat a donkey. And 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.720 I wait a minute, I ate in eat your taco? 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.560 Hold on, yeah, how was what was it? It was 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.400 like a word in Spanish and then you googled it 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.160 and it was like barrio or something. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:03.520 I was like, yeah, i'll take it. I'll try it. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:04.479 I trust you guys. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:06.239 And it was good. 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.320 But I was like, next time, I'll get it a steak. 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.760 I don't know, but not that a cow is less 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.560 worthy of love. You ate, asked me. 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:13.840 I did it. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.560 And I have a friend who's very connected with donkeys, 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.960 like it's kind of her like power guide. 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:20.520 I don't know, she like when she does. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:22.600 There's a lot of donkeys in her life and so 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.320 I could by her and I just am like, I 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.000 don't want to eat her hero animal. 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.440 I mean we talked to Mary Stuart Masterson. She has 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.480 too many ature donkeys. I can't believe you ate one 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.159 of them. That's really fund up. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:37.560 It is, it was fucked up. They should just make 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:38.599 sure it says donkey. 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:38.839 No. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:43.039 They can spare their language if they want, but I 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.120 will not be getting it again. But I liked the 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:49.159 idea of a Chris you know, a case Sadia taco Wage. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.400 Did that story remind you of my story because it 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:56.440 was mule? Yeah, okay, just making sure I know how 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.640 you got there, but you got it right away. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:05:59.240 Mule. 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.720 It's a donkey horse. I mean, I want to meet 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.279 a Shetland pony before I die. That's definitely on my 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.359 goals list. They're in Scotland, you know. Michelle Buteau just 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.760 met Teddy the Shetland one of the most famous I 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:11.760 would know, Michelle Collins. 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:12.559 It was Michelle Collins. 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:14.719 Teddy's always in the UK. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:19.680 Yeah, I've seen that pony on on the internet. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.440 I miss it in my hometown. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.040 You could like, I think it was like five dollars 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.080 and you can ride up a little pony three times 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:26.920 round in a circle. 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.719 You had a little baby Sebastian or whatever it was 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:31.800 called little Sebastian. 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.240 Wait, have I told my Reddat story on this? 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:36.640 I don't think. Have I told you the red A story? 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:37.040 No? 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:38.680 I do not know Redda personally. 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.600 I'm just a fan from Parks and rec And I 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.320 was doing Benson Ball this comedy festival in DC, and 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.039 the people who are running the fest they were like, 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:48.880 oh my god, we're going to surprise her and we 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:50.160 got a miniature horse. 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.040 We're going to bring on stage. And I go, I 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:52.880 don't think she's going to. 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.440 Like that, and they go, no, no, We're going to surprise 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.200 her with this horse. She's going to love it. I go, 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.160 I don't think she's going to love it. I would, 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.400 I would run it by her. I get a sense 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.240 she's not going to like a whole live animal being 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.200 brought onto the stage in the middle of her act. 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:09.200 But you know, have at it, guys. So I'm watching 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.680 the show. They bring out this horse. She's not having it. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:17.120 So she's like, Okay, I'm cool. But then they couldn't 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.040 get rid of the horse because the horse was scared 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.840 of going down the stairs. So then all these people 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:23.920 had to try to so she So the show was 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.679 interrupted and then we're now watching people push this horse 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:28.440 down the stairs. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.120 So and you were right, of course, I was right, 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.680 Oh my god, that is that's terrible. 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.720 But it was a really fun festival. And they brought 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:41.920 us on a pirate ship with an open bar. It 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:43.920 was like a fun time. They just you know, that 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:44.680 was a faux pas. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.640 I think a pirate ship in DC. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:47.920 Wow. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.400 Yeah, And we took like a picture, you know, giving 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.960 the you know, the thing a hand job, you know 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:54.360 what I mean. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.360 When I was working on Bar Rescue, one of their 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.680 biggest episodes that I had to write jokes for when 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.640 I did the pop up episodes was this bar in 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.120 the DC area, like in right outside of DC, I 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.840 think in either Maryland or Virginia. This bar there was 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.960 a pirate bar. And the guy from Bar Rescue is like, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.120 you got to rebrand this. Nobody wants to go to 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.440 a fucking pirate bar. And the woman just wouldn't do 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.280 it because, like she loved the pirate lifestyle. So she 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.320 let John Tapper redo her bar and then like a 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.720 day later she didn't put it all back to pirate. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.360 Well, I was just talking to someone who said, fuck 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.000 John Taffer and Bar Rescue. Hopefully that doesn't fuck with 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:32.520 your money. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.520 Oh no, I'm never going to work there again. Tell 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:35.240 me what happened? 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.480 And I said, what's that? It was Shane Suarez. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.680 I was at a comedy festival in Denver this week 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.200 and I met some people. 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.600 Thank you for coming out to the gigs. 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.360 But so he was saying that a lot of the 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.120 places actually like he doesn't have a high success rate, 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.920 and he actually fucks up bars and takes away their 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.640 personality and like unique factors and makes it kind of 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.720 generic and not interesting. And there was a he loved 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.920 in Seattle and they fucked it over and then they 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.240 like changed it back because they lost all this money. 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.480 So like he, I guess, isn't actually that good at 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:12.000 what he does. Wow, I'm wondering how Tabitha is salon 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.000 takeover if all of Tabitha's girls are doing good. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.080 Yeah, I was gonna say, because sometimes it's like sometimes 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.080 what he does help people do though, is like he 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.120 had a couple that I saw that were like alcoholics 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.360 and they needed to stop drinking at their own bar 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.920 to have success. And he like helped them figure that out, 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.200 so in that sense, but it doesn't always have to 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.040 be like a full Sometimes you just get to what's 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.040 wrong with the person that's making the bar unsuccessful and 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:37.240 not the decor. 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:37.800 You know. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.079 Well, yeah, and also also treat your employees well when 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:42.160 that's number one. 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.120 Yeah, but it's also stage. 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.560 I've only seen one episode, but it was like they 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.880 caught an employee or maybe this was undercover, but I 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.400 don't know what it was, but like someone came in 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.400 and was trying to like sell concert tickets and a 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.640 guy from the like the store gave him a bunch 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.880 of meat and they caught him like trying to buy concerts. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.000 It gets with meat, and I'm like, this has to 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.000 be staged. This can't be real that someone's like I 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.120 don't know doing. 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.680 Definitely, almost everything we watch on television is staged. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.840 But anyway, I make television and I still get tricked. 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.520 I show up to set and I'm like, wait, what, Okay, 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:18.559 we gotta start. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.520 We gotta start just because it's a long episode today 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.720 and we don't want you guys to I don't know 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:25.559 they like us, but you and I know you guys 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.600 always sometimes you guys say we like the long ones. 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.800 I don't get why everyone got mad at Sally Field 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:31.760 for going that. You guys like me, you really like me. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:33.000 It's like she won two oscars. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:33.520 What's wrong with that. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:34.800 I don't think that they got mad at her. I 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.600 think it was like a meme moment, even though memes 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.200 didn't exist yet. I think it was just like she 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:39.680 was quoted and like no. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.400 I think it was like a humiliating moment that she 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.160 had to live. Really, that's the vibe I get. 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.160 Humiliating for me as I met her son one time 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.240 and thought he was somebody different and I said, hi, Dave, 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.320 we've met before, and he was like, I'm not Dave. Anyway, 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:52.880 let's move on. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:11:00.840 Let's get the show started, all right, And so today 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:05.480 we will be talking about Pretend Season eight, episode twenty one. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.440 And I'm sure a lot of you listening are like, 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:12.080 I requested that and you did and he listened to you. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:16.560 It was your idea, so amazing news. It starts with 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.240 a man with a mustache and a flashlight checking out 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.000 what's up and it looks like a construction, messy home 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.560 building area, and the guy is like, where are you? 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.560 Where are you he's looking for some what is he 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.800 looking for? It's his phone, but it was a great 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.280 fake out, like you think it's a camp but it's 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:33.880 his phone. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.079 He finds it in a toolbox. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:37.680 So he was there in the day and he makes 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.720 a call to his wife to tell Cheryl he left 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:44.640 his phone at the salvage site, and she thinks he's lying, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.959 and he's like, I was just watching the game, and 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.280 he goes, how can I avoid your calls if I 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.680 didn't have my phone? And so they're just you know, 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.800 marriage jokes. This is like, so it's relatable to the 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:58.680 people that were watching. 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:00.640 Caryl sounds like a real ball buster. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.640 Yeah, Cheryl's a ballbuster, or he's you know, ignores or 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.880 maybe he's yeah, yeah, so yeah here, I think Cheryl's 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.440 a bitch. But who knows what this guy's been up 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.520 to in his life. That makes Cheryl so suspicious, you 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.400 know what I mean. But he is telling the truth. 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.640 But he notices something's weird. There's a light on in 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.320 the basement, but no one should have been there, and 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.920 he tore out all the light fixtures earlier in the day. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.000 But he makes a giant mistake to go look and 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.800 see what's up. And as he's going through, the dwar 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.319 flings open and he falls to the ground and enters 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.840 a man. And probably one of the scariest things you 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.440 can see if you're in an abandoned salvage site in 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.960 the middle of the night for no reason, is a 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.520 man in a black leather simp mask. Okay, is that 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:46.079 what that's called a simp mask? Like simps wear it. 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:47.920 It could be an executioner mask maybe. 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:48.400 I don't know. 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.040 Oh no, no, I didn't know if that was like 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.040 the proper like name. I was like thinking, like it's 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:58.920 like a freaky sexual Luca Libra, Luca Libra kind of thing. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:01.120 But yeah, like I don't but I don't know what 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.880 you call that, Like, yeah, an executioner mask maybe is 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:04.640 what I think too. 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.880 But yeah, but like you, if you're wrestling, you don't 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.000 want to wear leather on your face, right right, it's 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.840 more stretchy, It's more that's more of a spandexy, stretchy thing. Yeah, 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.960 you're like exercising, you don't want to wear a leather 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:21.280 face thing. But I just think of when I think 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.480 of a simp, I think of pulp fiction. That's yeah. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:31.480 So the gamp. So it's gimp, not simp. Simp was 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.440 I thought I thought saying gimp. 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.480 I thought it was simp because, like you know, people 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.320 are always like, you guys, simp so hard for maloney 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.600 or something like people say, it's like what, I don't know. 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.360 It is like a submissive word, so maybe it's not 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:45.480 even that far off. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.160 But a simp means a man who is submissive towards 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.120 like a dominant woman, hoping the woman will like win 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:50.520 them over. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.200 Okay, so simp is a similar term, you could. I 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.679 was like, oh wow, Lisa's like introducing me to this 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:58.920 new term. But I do think of the gimp from 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:06.520 for sure. I think of pulp fiction. Yeah, in the 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.480 Simpsons twenty two short stories about Springfield, one of the 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.280 stories is a play on that scene, which is wild 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.280 for a cartoon, you know, yes, rape. I don't know 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:18.960 if I've mentioned this on the podcast, but I did 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.840 see a pulp fiction when I was in eighth grade, 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.600 and in my opinion, that was too soon. I know, Lisa, 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.240 you were seeing all kinds of movies like that when 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.040 you were like eight, but like that for me, I 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.720 was like what am I watching? Like? I was like, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.840 we gotta go pulp fiction shill. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.400 I mean, you know, the shootings or whatever, but yeah, 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:41.280 that dungeon scene is pretty I don't want to say vulgar, 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:43.520 but yeah, torture rape. 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.280 You don't want that for eighth grade. Oh okay, wait, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.160 I'm googling this right now, and I'm thinking that this 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.400 has bad connotations. We should not be using the word 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.440 gim but we just we only know it from pulp fiction. 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.480 But now we know it's actually has some bad, bad background. 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.240 But we won't be using it going forward. But that 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.560 is the kind of mass if you've seen pulp fiction. Yeah, 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.920 we should come up with a new name. I think 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.480 executioner is kind of like that is kind of good. No, 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:10.800 you said, like execution mask. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:15.760 Okay, the man screams, but we don't know what's what 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.640 because we cut to Elliott, so you know, we did 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:20.200 shit chat. 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:20.760 I'm sorry. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.800 Where we were was the our bus dashed, man's on 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.920 the ground. But then they cut to Elliott playing games 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:27.720 with kids. 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:27.920 In his home. 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.200 It's like a little poker party. But daddy gets a 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.840 call and he's got to go. But the kids understand, you. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.280 Know, the kids are also throwing out a lot of 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.160 like poker terms that. I was like, what the fuck 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.600 are you guys talking about. They're like, you had me 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.040 up the river over the bridge, you gotta go down 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:43.840 double on a forty two. I was like, what are 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:44.880 you I don't know what's going on. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.120 Oh the river is the last card that gets flipped over. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.040 And all of this. Yeah, you knew that. I forgot. 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:53.760 You're from like a card shark family. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.080 Well, no, poker is not really Russian, but my brother 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.400 in law, you know he recent you played. 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.360 I wasn't thinking it was a Russian thing. No, I'm 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:01.880 a follower. 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:03.920 That's what I've learned in the past year because of 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.400 editing in RuPaul's drag Race. I have no original thoughts. 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.680 I just do what anyone else does, you know what 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.960 I mean. I didn't like Olivia Rodriguo the choices did. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.400 Guess what I'm doing it. I'm a Chamberlain wore hoops. 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:17.320 I bought hoops like. I truly have no original thoughts. 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.080 But poker was huge when I was in high school. 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.880 It was like the Negranu the like I remember what 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:26.960 The World Series of Poker was huge. So I would 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.880 play till four or five in the morning on fucking 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:33.480 school night, Like I was out playing poker in homes often, 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.400 and wow, they like took over my life. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.400 Like, you know, because I'm a trends follower. I bet 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:42.560 that's fun when you go to Vegas. Yeah, but I lose. Yeah, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.040 I like the men I've only played. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.840 I've only played poker like Hold Him in a casino 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.320 in like tal and the Dominican Republic. But the guys 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.000 at the table, I truly was I was the luckiest 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.680 woman in the world. Every guy at the table was 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.680 a different ethnicity, and they all made fun of each 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.400 other the whole time, and they all were good friends. 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.600 So I felt like I was in a cartoon, Like 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.400 I couldn't believe it. It was one of every kind 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:10.280 of person all roasting each other, and they liked my 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:14.520 presence so they strung me along. And then I think 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.399 they all like were like, let's get her out of here, and. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:17.480 Took my money. 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.000 So that's the thing with Hold Him, Like when you 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.480 are playing with people that know how to play it 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.359 is they're gonna take your money. 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.359 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's because when I played blackjack, the 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:28.879 guys at the table always kind of helped me a 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:29.280 little bit. 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:29.399 There. 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.240 I was like I would stay or I would hit. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.280 Well, because your success has nothing to do with their success, 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:35.200 right exactly. 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.160 It's a different kind of game, totally. Yeah. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:42.880 Okay, So then we cut from poker to like a 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.640 really bloody Converse shoe on a mattress attached to a man. 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:48.080 The blood is coming from the. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.160 Crotch area of the victim, and the victim is also 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.879 in a leather face mask and there's blood on his chest. 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.560 And then we see like a baseball back covered in 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.920 barbed wire. It's a scene credits. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:00.600 Baby. 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.320 Then we're back to the scene of the crime and 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:07.800 it's Benson and Stabler with Melinda and they're investigating, obviously, 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.600 and we find out that the femoral artery was severed 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.560 and that's like in your thigh area, and if that 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.400 gets cut, you bleed out within five. 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.000 Minutes, Like you die immediately. 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.520 And so the cause of death, Melinda says, is hemorrhag 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:26.520 hemorrhagic shock, hemorrhage whatever, a hemorrhage in some shock because 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:27.560 you're bleeding too much. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:31.560 Wait. Can I just bring something up, Lisa that I 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.280 think you would appreciate. Do you remember the scene in Dexter? 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:36.720 I think it was the opening scene of one of 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:38.919 the of the season that had John Lithgow in it, 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.199 and he's got a woman in the bathtub and he 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.320 just cuts her femoral artery in the bathtub. Yeah, my 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.760 friend Pat like met that actress and would like right 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.680 before she did that and was like, yeah, I'm gonna 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.280 be on Dexter in a couple of days. And then 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.280 he tuned in and that was the scene he said 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.159 he saw, and he was like, can you imagine just 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.240 going around and telling all your friends, like, tune into 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.520 me on Dexter and the first thing is just getting 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.119 bled out in the first minute of the of the episode, Like, 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.880 I just thought you would like a little Dexter today, 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:07.960 one hundred percent do. 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.320 It is one of the greatest seasons of television. I 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.359 would say that John Lithgow Dexter season. 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:15.920 I told you he got on the subway during with 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.000 me during that season and I couldn't make eye contact 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:19.720 with him. I was so scared. I was like, the 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.280 Trinity Killer just got on the subway and I'm gonna die. 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.760 It was an incredible episode of television. And I've read 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.840 in some fan things whatever the new thing of Dexter 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:35.840 is the showrunner from seasons one through four, season five 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:39.199 through eight they had someone else, and so we're getting 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.719 the original fucking showrunner for this new season. 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.719 So that's cool. I just watched the like longer trailer 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:48.720 that came out recording, and I'm excited. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.320 Well, it's also interesting when we talk about our lives. 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.040 I was talking to someone recently. I was like, oh, yeah, 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:54.719 so then the show runner and they're like, what is that? 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:56.040 And I'm like, why don't you know what that is? 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:56.280 Like? 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:57.520 But it is. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.080 I guess it is industry terms. Yeah. 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.440 And then outside of you know, femoral arteries and dexter 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.879 and blood and sadness, Marishka does have beautiful banks. 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.120 Okay, so oh I love it. Yeah, I love this look. 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.200 Yeah, bangs and like a little updo it looks really nice? 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.159 And then Melinda gives us more scoop. And the victim 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.840 was hit with a bunch of light tubes and it's 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.840 such thin glass that breaks into fragments and so he 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:25.800 had like cuts and pieces all over. 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:26.440 His body from it. 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.280 And you know, there's a lot of ideas it could 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:33.200 be a consensual BDSM gone wrong, but Benson is like, yeah, 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.439 but the hands aren't tied and that's kind of so 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.439 we're like, Benson, are you what are you doing in 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.320 your private life that you know the intricate rules of 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:44.560 bdsimplay that it means like, oh, the hands aren't tied. 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:45.200 This isn't it. 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.280 But then they take the mask off and the boy 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.240 looks fifteen years old, no idea, so young, so dead? 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:56.040 So like what the fuck? Stabler asks who brought him 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.120 to torture him? Like we got to find out. 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:00.800 So they're talking to the mustache man who found the body, 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.840 and he's explaining himself and they're suspicious of him, and 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.080 he's like, I have a contract with the fucking city. 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:07.679 I take shit out of buildings that are about to 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.520 be demolished. I took some cool windows and so the 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:12.840 security bars off, the windows are gone, and that's where 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.080 the leather boys entered, Like go away, I don't know 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.359 what you want from me. And then there's a woman 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:19.720 and she's running towards the building with a dog and 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:24.879 iced Tea joins her outside and she explains and she 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.360 has like this bray and a poodle. This is my future. 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:32.359 Also this is me and she goes, listen, we're it 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.919 on the street there's some torture. Who is gossiping this fast? 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.159 Yeah, that is really fast, like pre I mean, I 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.200 what year was this. I doubt this lady's on Twitter, 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:43.960 is all I'm saying. I don't think she found out 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:45.840 about it that quickly. Like yeah, it's like I heard 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:49.199 there was some satanic undertones, and it's like they just 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:50.520 the blood is not even dry. 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:55.320 Yeah, And she's like, with rape satan, what's up? And 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.440 I says, don't believe anything you hear, but she goes, 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.840 I know who did it, Darren Tolsen. He lives at 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.520 the end of the block. And I've seen flyers with 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:07.040 his face on it and they're up every morning and 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:09.480 ripped by the afternoon. And he is a sex offender 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.600 and that's that. And so this is a neighborhood where 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:16.240 they're harassing a sex offender and you know this guy 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:17.399 did target young boys. 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:18.560 So let's see what's up. 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.440 So they're talking to the landlord who said that this guy, 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:24.760 Darren is a model tenant, and Ice makes a joke 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.920 like okay, well he modeled for a mugshot I love. 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:33.639 And the landlord is a criminal justice reform queen. He's like, 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.280 I don't know what you want, but if without a warrant, 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:38.560 I'm not letting you in where, like, and where do 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.080 you want felons to live the streets? Like I'm fighting 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:44.720 for what's right. And it's true, it's like everything is 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:47.640 so complicated in this world. But if someone does serve 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:51.119 their time, like they got to live somewhere. 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.600 Yeah, and he's like, I don't and I don't rent 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:56.680 to families with kids, he said. So it's like he's 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:58.879 not putting anyone in danger immediately in the building. 0:22:59.280 --> 0:22:59.480 Yeah. 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.720 I didn't even connect that. Yeah, so this like landlord. 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:05.600 He looks like a scuzzy skateboard type guy, but in 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.560 reality he's like this criminal justice maven. 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.480 I love, he's a criminal justice reform queen. 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:14.960 I've been seeing that a lot. I feel like you 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:19.320 said it and now I can't stop singing. And our 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.040 friend kept going go off, queen, and now I can't stop. 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.400 No, And I sent you. I told you that Rosie. 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:26.280 When she was posing for a photo, she goes, I 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:28.520 look great, and you were like, we love a confident queen. 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:32.360 Ye I hate again. I'm a follower, no original. 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:36.440 I just like any accent, any slogan, any words goes 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:37.280 into my brain. 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.000 You have so many original thoughts, but this is not 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:41.760 the place for me to convince you of that. So 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:42.439 let's go. 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:44.440 Well, no, But like when I'm on the road with people, 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.440 I end up talking like that. It's just brains are 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:51.320 so wild. Brain's an outer space in the ocean. We 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.160 know nothing about them. There's spray paint on the door 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:58.200 that says pervert, and the landlord goes, well, maybe you 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:00.640 should arrest that flyer bitch forandalism. 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:03.159 How about that the pervert. 0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:04.760 Is not home and the landlord says he will not 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.280 open the door without a warrant. So they say, fine, 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:09.520 we'll come back at four am and wake you all up. 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:11.919 And he does not want to wake up early. I 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:14.000 could tell by his flannel he likes to sleep in. 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.000 He goes and he everything goes out the window, all 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.160 of his secret like all of his fuck. The police 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:21.960 attitude is like, actually, he works at this bakery on 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:22.560 Mott Street. 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:23.480 Go visit him at night. 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.800 So there's a man kneading dough and Benson's like, wow, 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:28.679 strong hands. 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.000 You love to work with your hands. 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:31.200 And then Maloney makes. 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:34.159 This giant leap and goes, oh, is that how you 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:37.600 pound flesh with those hands, and it's like, back off, guys. 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.040 I hate when they put me in a position to 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.000 like defend a sex offender. It's like so annoying, Like 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:47.680 I would like to hate people that, you know, attack children, 0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:49.760 but now you're making me like sad for this guy 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:52.280 who's just trying to need bread to live in a 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:53.120 shitty apartment. 0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:55.240 He acts the defensive the guy. 0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:58.120 But he's chill, and Maloney's like, usually when people are innocent, 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:00.639 they don't act calm. You're too calm. And usually when 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:04.480 they're innocent, they stop what they're doing. But he can't 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.560 because he's kneading dough for eight minutes, because if you 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.240 don't for eight minutes, the bread won't rise. And that 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:12.880 is awesome. Whoever, Yeah, we need to see who wrote 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:18.320 this episode? Like fucking beautiful, it's so beautiful. So they 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.919 show him the horrific crime scene photos. He says he 0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:24.200 does not know who the victim is, and they're like, oh, 0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:26.160 so one of your neighbors turns up dead and it's 0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:29.880 just a coincidence, and he goes, oh, she sent. 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:33.280 You, and so she is Sonya Prickland. 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.280 Ten years ago, he gets out of prison and then 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:40.159 her son disappears the next day, and so everyone is like, 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:41.159 it's you, it's you, it's you. 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:41.800 It's you, it's you. 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:44.800 And now she bothers him everywhere that he goes and 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:46.960 won't leave him alone. But it's like her kid's dead, 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:48.560 what do you want her to do? Play par cheesy 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:54.240 like she's she's this is her new hobby. So I 0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:55.679 thought it was going to be the woman from the 0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:57.320 hat from earlier, but it's not. 0:25:57.560 --> 0:25:59.800 It's a different woman. Did you think the same thing 0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:01.719 or you knew it was going to be Yeah, I wasn't. No, 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.560 I wasn't sure. I thought maybe, yeah, it was her. 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:07.800 So the lady when they go talk to him, and 0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:10.280 she looks like a theater queen, but she. 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.760 I was just gonna say, she really looks like a 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:16.880 sad mom, like like she has the SVU sad mom, 0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:18.360 where's my baby? Look to her. 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.240 So the lady is like, he took my son and 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:23.480 they're like, it's not proven, and she goes, I don't care. 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:23.960 It's him. 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.160 He snatched him the first time he saw him when 0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:28.119 he was on a bike. He should be in jail 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:30.920 and he's not. So I watch him since the boy 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.320 found as a teen. The mom is like, well, Joey 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.879 would have been sixteen this year. So they go down 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:37.800 to see if, like, maybe that's her son and he's 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.359 been missing for all these years, and she starts crying 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.280 and going, that's Joey, that's Joey. I can't believe he 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:46.199 was alive all this time. That bastard had him, and 0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:53.480 she cries into Stabler's chest, which jealous. So the victim 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.560 is Joey Brigland, I guess. And they're gonna go pick 0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:58.920 up the bread guy even though there is no evidence 0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:01.520 at all. So then we cut to the precinct and 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:03.480 Ice and Munch leave to go. 0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:04.600 You know, do work. 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.159 They're busy boys, and a team boy comes in with 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.639 fluffy bangs and a puffy coat and he says he 0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:14.320 needs to talk to someone about Riley Cusky murder. And 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:15.800 they're like, what what are you talking about? And he 0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:17.960 says that boy you found last night. They're like, no, 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.800 he's been idd as another boy, and the guy's like, well, no, 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.240 that's Riley Cusky and Ice goes, how do you even know? 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:27.760 And the boy lifts up and in his hand as 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.840 a tape recorder and he says, I taped him getting killed. 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.639 Done done? That is that is a done done? 0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:35.440 Yeah? 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:39.000 Munch takes a deep ass breath and Craigan's holding a 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:42.440 remote about to show Benson and Stabler the video and us, 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:45.120 you know, as the viewer, the murder tape. So it's 0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:47.280 Riley's shirtless in the video, going, hey, get ready to 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.480 watch this video. And so they're wrestling and the guys 0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.800 are in leather hitting each other and then the artery 0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.600 gets caught and Riley's. 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.760 Like, whoa, I need to lay down, turn off the camera. 0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.080 And so it was a stage five with real weapons, 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:04.439 so it's scary. So it's like extreme wrestling fighting whatever, 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:07.920 and this is an accident. So Scott is the name 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:09.439 of the boy that came in with the tape. And 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:12.160 so Benson, Craigan and the Stabler listened to him talking 0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:13.480 with Munch and ice. 0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.399 Who's Jake? Oh, so Jake and him were fighting with. 0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:20.879 This guy's no, this is what I want to know. 0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:24.120 Then who's Jake? The mom said, this is my son Jake? 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:28.160 So where's Jake? Did they ever go back to this? No? 0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:30.480 Or do we just assume that this woman made a 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:33.000 false ID because she's hysterical? I also thought his name 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:34.560 was Joey. Yeah, you're right. 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:38.240 Jake is the third person because he says that Jake 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.040 and Riley were fighting and Scott was filming it. 0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:45.160 Oh you're right. Okay, well that's my question still stands. 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.640 Here's Joey. Where's Joey? Why did like when I learned 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:50.880 how to write shit? Not that I'm a professional like 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.720 these SVU people, but you don't need two j names. Okay, 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.720 where are you Jake and Joey ing us like that 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:00.880 jam Joey us. 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:03.000 I just I. 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.080 Learned that note early on and learning how to write scripts. 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:09.040 So you want to keep all the names Mary's separate. 0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:14.800 Let's just say dugger situation a Kardashian but it's part 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:18.080 of it. So basically Scott is the boy and the coat, 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.680 and he says that Jake and Riley were fighting, Scott 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:25.040 just filmed it, and that Jake didn't want to say 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.360 anything and threatened to kill him if he told. But 0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:29.960 it's just an accident, like I had to tell, Riley 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:33.320 is my fucking best friend. So they got to find Jake, 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:36.560 which is Riley's friend, not Scott Scott's, like I never 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:40.440 met him until yesterday. That's Riley's friend. Jake's told me 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.120 not to. I mean, clearly, these are lies. Okay, that's 0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:45.920 why we don't have the story straight because it's not 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:49.120 a straight story. Okay, right, this guy is lying. So 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:54.840 if we seemed confused, it's Scott's fault. And Elliott is like, 0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:57.320 the camera was stable, no one was holding it, and 0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.240 the only time it wasn't stable is when the other 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:00.800 mass opponent walked off camera. 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:03.200 It's you. We know it's you. We've been detectives for 0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:04.000 over a decade. 0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:06.960 Yeah, he says, no, no, no, no, no, no no, and Elliott goes, 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.080 DNA will tell us who the other guy is, so 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:13.680 I'll stop, And then Scott starts tearing up and he's like, 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.080 Riley was my best friend. And then I saw then 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.840 tells Maloney, we're just taking testimony and he's sixteen, so 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:25.040 we can't talk to him like this, which shocking for us, 0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.680 for you to follow the rules and respect the people. 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:31.680 And so and so. Basically, Jake was a fictional made 0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:35.640 up person. Jake was not existent. Jake's but Joey, where 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:36.560 the fuck is Joey? 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.920 Go on, poor Joey. 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:42.040 Elliott says, you need to call your parents, and then 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.840 we'll talk about what happened to your friend, and then 0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:47.040 it just cuts straight to trial. 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:47.880 Part seventeen. 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.360 We have our friend Barry Bostwick aka all Over Gates 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.880 as the defense attorney. You guys probably know him as 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:55.720 the white hair, classic rich looking man. 0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:57.760 Ye, so that's him. 0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:01.440 And Novak's chatting to the jury like, oh, he looks 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:03.760 like a good boy. Now look at Scott cleaned up. 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:05.560 But you'll see this tape and you'll see what an 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.479 evil bitch this guy really is. And then the defense 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:10.680 is playing a game of like, this is consensual sports. 0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:13.240 It can't be murder if you like kill someone in 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.120 the ring, like I'm a boxing ring, so like, if 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.760 it's an accident, there's no intent, there's no crime. 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:20.840 So both have really good points. 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.280 Now we have Scott's psychiatrist on the stand, and he 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:27.040 is a man that's been an SV four episodes different people. 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:29.880 His name's Tim Burt Feldman, but I knew I knew him. 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:33.080 I knew I knew him, and I do. He's from 0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:37.320 Devilware's praduc He was the head of Elias Clark of 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:40.720 like the Conde Nast, So he was the guy trying 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:44.120 to like get Miranda Priestly out and like find someone 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:47.520 that was cheaper, and so that if he looked familiar 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:49.800 to you, he was the CEO. 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.520 Yes, totally and so. 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:55.480 On the stand, the psychiatrist says that Scott's been feeling 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:57.600 depressed and he's been seeing him for about a year 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:02.600 and the reason he's into this game is because he 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.720 likes to get pain. So he's a massachist, not a sadist. 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:07.960 He does not get off on giving pain but actually 0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:10.640 getting it. But so he's just trying to feel something, 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.840 anything at all. But Novak's not buying it. And he goes, well, 0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:15.840 if he's so sad, why doesn't he just cut himself? 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.000 And it's like, how is this real life right now? 0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:21.560 Like if he was really a basket, you'd be cutting himself. 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:23.200 But you know, she's doing her job. 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:27.400 She's doing her job now. So you know, court is over. 0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.160 Novak's walking in the lobby of the court and a 0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:33.120 pigtailed young woman in denim and a little backpack runs 0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:36.200 in and she's looking for Novak. She goes, I asked 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.080 a court officer, I'm looking for you. They told me 0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:41.560 I can find you. The girl introduces herself as Cassandra Sullivan, 0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:45.280 Riley's girlfriend, and I love her voice. 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:48.280 I like wish I've always remembered her voice a little late, 0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:50.400 like she's always at like totally. 0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:55.600 She says that Scott is her best friend, and she's like, 0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:56.640 is he going to jail? 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:58.280 Like he's going to jail, isn't he? 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.600 So basically, this girl is Riley's girlfriend, but since Riley 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.680 and Scott are best friends, you know, Scott is also 0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:06.000 her best friend, and so this is a really tough 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:08.520 time for her. Novak said that the jury is back 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:10.520 with the verdict and she can come see if you 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.280 know her friend's going to jail or not. So Cassandra 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.000 says some information that stops Novak in her tracks, and 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:20.200 basically it's that Scott keeps texting her that he's sorry 0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:23.160 and he wishes it was him and not Riley. So 0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:26.160 she goes with Novak to hear the verdict. Murder in 0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:31.040 the second not guilty, manslaughter not guilty, criminally negligent homicide guilty. 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:33.560 Did I try to look up the difference between manslaughter 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:37.640 and criminally negligent homicide and all of that I did? 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:38.560 Was it confusing? 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:43.880 Yes? I have nothing to share, no information, and like it. 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:45.040 Was so hard. 0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:47.280 That's why law school is so long, and lawyers get 0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:49.680 the big bucks. Because I could I could not because 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.200 there's also involuntary manslaughter and so it's like all of 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.600 these things are just too intricate for my ass. 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:56.640 Yeah. 0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.600 So Scott sees Cassandra in the courtroom and he's like 0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.560 wait please, and she glares at him and runs off, 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.600 and Novak's suspicious. So Novak goes to Cassandra's home and 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:10.120 she is a foster parent. So she's been in foster care. 0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:12.600 Is that a clue maybe yes, no, or just a fact. 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:18.160 So then Novak goes into the room and she explains 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:20.080 as a foster kid, she goes to a lot of 0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:22.960 different schools and Riley was nice to her right away, 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:26.960 and they like, you know, clicked immediately. Then she asks 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:30.640 was it serious with you? And Riley and Cassandra says yes. 0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:33.600 And then now Novak does like the gay Prada shoe 0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:36.239 legally blonde moment and like tricks her and is like, 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:39.600 so was it serious with Scott? And she looks stunned, 0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:41.360 and Novak basically is like, I saw the way he 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:43.040 looked at you. He's in love with you, So like, 0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:46.080 don't even fuck with me. She tears up and nods. 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.239 She says, yes, that her and Scott were dating on 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:51.520 the side, but Riley did not know and it only 0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.640 happened once, but he wouldn't let it go. But it 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:58.440 might not be an accident. And then Cassandra drops a 0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:01.760 fucking bomb and goes. She knows it's not an accident. 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:08.840 So as the kids say that escalated quickly do the 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.000 kids say that I think that was the thing at 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:14.080 one point. I know, but it is like I use 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:15.960 gifts all the time, but I thought it's because I'm 0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.640 young and hip, and then really millennials actually send gifts, 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.560 moving gifts, and the gen z make fun of us. 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.160 But this whole time, I thought like, oh, look at 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:29.120 me with my gifts and year old emojis. They also 0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:33.160 don't like that we use like the crying laughing face emoji. 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.880 They use the skull and cross, but like they just 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:39.120 don't want to be like us, which is fine. 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:43.399 But I love sending gifts. When you find a really 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.080 perfect gift response, it's a it's a great feeling. 0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:48.920 Well, the great greatest gift of all, of course, is 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:50.960 iced tea dancing with a bowl of cereal. 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:56.520 Yes, she did just send to somebody who had COVID. 0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:02.000 I missed the COVID. I'm bad. I actually you know, 0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:02.760 as a kid. 0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:04.640 It was always like God, I'm such a loser. And 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:06.120 now I do feel cool and I have a lot 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:07.920 of friends, and I'm like, this is too much. I 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:12.960 don't need this, so many texts, so many messages. 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:15.640 I don't. I didn't even are checking in on you 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:17.920 a lot. I imagine that your phone blows up a lot. 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:21.480 It does, and I'm blessed because my whole life I 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.480 was like, why can't people like me? And now that 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:27.080 I do have a nice group, a nice community, I'm like, 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.440 I can't get I can't face I can't I'll be 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:30.920 I can't facetimey right now. 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:33.680 Like I just can't. And I'm sorry. 0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:35.920 I didn't read any of your text messages. I just 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:38.600 responded with a gift and you told me you had COVID, 0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:39.080 So my. 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:45.120 Dad Okay, wait, so how does Cassandra know that it's 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:45.960 not an accident? 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:51.479 So great segue. Damn, that was pretty impressive. Care getting 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:56.400 me back on track. So she said that in science 0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:59.600 they learned about the femeral artery in class and that 0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:02.720 she was with Scott and they learned like how quickly 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:05.239 someone can bleed to death if it's cut. And that 0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:09.440 was one week before the incident. The next scene is 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:13.359 one of my favorite tropes ever, ever ever. Chinese food takeout. 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:15.920 At the presets. I mean, that would be my make 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:16.560 a Wish wish. 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:18.120 I'm like, can I go to the set and eat 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.839 Chinese food with this the cast the cast of Oh 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.759 my God, well, like there's things on the screen and 0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.400 like we do like a fake crime like that would 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:29.480 be knock on wood. Hopefully I'll never get a make 0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:31.320 a wish? Okay? 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:34.719 Do they give make wishes to people in their thirties. 0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:39.240 They've got it's not Yeah, I think it's just for kids. 0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.560 There's got to be an adult version of that. 0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:46.960 It is called dream Foundation. Okay, sorry, I hope you 0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:50.240 get your Dream Foundation wish now. I hope not, Kara. 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:52.640 I want to say, hell, I think not. That's what 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:54.520 I mean. I mean, that's what I sorry. 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:58.640 I hope that maybe anyone listening will invite me to 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.280 the set to eat Chinese food on it. Okay, yes, please, 0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:05.480 she's just oh my God, crab rangoon ah. But I 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:07.359 just don't get like how you would eat Chinese food 0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:08.799 for lunch in the middle of the day and then 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:12.040 chase down a criminal like I'm heavy, so it makes you. 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:13.880 Take a nap. It makes no sense. 0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:16.160 I don't know how they're eating Chinese food mid day. 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:18.600 That is not a lunch food for me. Chinese food 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:23.520 for me is it's Sunday night. Yeah, the oscars are on. Yeah, 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.960 let's binge e, That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I'm 0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:31.080 not sensibly eating Chinese food for lunch. No, even if 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.360 you have a lunch special, I'd rather have sushi. 0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:33.680 Thank you. 0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:40.120 Novak says, we got fucked up and says everything she's learned, 0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:42.359 and these are some of my favorite moments when they 0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:44.360 give someone a deal, like the case is you know, 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:48.359 double jeopardy, baby, So it's there, so there's opportunity, there's 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:49.920 intent and double jeopardy. 0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:52.399 Like fuck, this is such a good episode. 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.480 The max sentence of what happened in court is only 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:59.040 four years and as little as probation, so Stabler's like, well, 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.920 let's just try to get him four year max. But 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.120 Cassandra has to speak at the sentencing hearing, but she 0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:07.399 refuses because she feels guilt, like it's her. 0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:08.600 Fault that Riley is dead. 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:12.040 Maloney says, listen, then we need a confession, and guess what, 0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:14.359 I'll be the man to beat it out of him. 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:18.759 That's a joke, Okay. So they're at the. 0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:20.600 High school in the books and like, Scott and his 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:24.840 two friends are walking and talking poker and Maloney poker. 0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:26.759 A role again, a theme. 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:31.240 A theme, And then Maloney tells other boys like, oh, 0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:33.040 you got to watch out being friends with Scott. 0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:34.880 You don't know how you know his friendships don't really 0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:35.520 end that well. 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:38.480 And he says, what's your problem, man? And they're like, 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.880 we know you're banging a best friend's girl. So guy code. 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:45.520 And he says, whatever, my one best friend is dead, 0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:46.640 the other won't speak to me. 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:48.720 I don't care what happens to me. Take me to jail. 0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:49.680 I don't fucking care. 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:51.840 I love him. He is very gen Z. 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:55.160 This is this is a gen Z kid, Like, yeah, 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:58.040 slit my wrist into pieces, I don't care. So they 0:39:58.080 --> 0:39:59.879 didn't get a confession out of him like they thought, 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:02.160 but it would be insane if they got like an 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:06.160 after high school confession out of this guy. So now 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:10.319 they're pressuring Cassandra to testify. She's in her bedroom in 0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:13.960 a pink, preppy collared shirt on her bed, lavender pillows. 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:15.440 It's like a very teen room. 0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:18.359 There's a puffy hat like on the bed posts and posters. 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:23.360 And her phone made me rem like nostalgic for the nineties. 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:24.240 It was like a chord. 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.480 It was just I want to hold that phone and 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.279 makes fucking I. 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:32.239 Want it a clear one where you can see all 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.600 the gears inside. I love that one. I had it. 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:39.080 I got it at amazing Savings and a meantal lot 0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:42.360 to me. So she's saying that she led him on 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:45.680 and so it's her fault, but I just loved Riley 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:48.040 so so much, and they're like, well, why did you 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:51.480 cheat on him? And Riley dumped her, and so she 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:54.360 was because she was too needy and was so sad 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:57.480 that she cried to Scott. So she was like crying 0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:00.880 to Scott, begging him to talk to Riley, but instead 0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:04.080 they hugged and then hooked up. Benson is saying, so 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.560 Scott took advantage of you, but she says, no, I 0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:09.480 always feel someone wanted as a foster kid, and Scott 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:10.960 made me feel like really wanted. 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:12.920 So she's like pretty self. 0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:17.040 Aware in a way of like knowing her feelings and 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:20.040 why she was so into that. So her lips are 0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.520 so glost during this, which is like I remind you, 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:25.520 like is this a Landcom juicy tube? 0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:29.040 Like what did they use? For sure? Juicy tubes? 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:35.200 And of course pigtails still because she's a baby, so 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:38.560 like her and Riley got back together the next day, 0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:40.560 so she really regrets it, and Benson says, if you 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:42.880 want to make amends, like you should speak at the hearing. 0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:46.120 She tears up, she thinks and agrees, and now it's 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:49.520 time for the trial to begin again, so Ryan not 0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:53.560 trial like sentencing, sentencing. So Riley's parents make a statement 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:58.480 and you know they're sad their kids dead, and we 0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:03.440 have Judge Karen Taytan played by Patricia Calimber who caras 0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:04.919 from Westport, Connecticut. 0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:08.080 Oh love it. And I'm an old fan of Patricia 0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.279 Calember because she was in a show called Sisters that 0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:13.880 I watched kind of religiously when I was a kid. 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:18.200 That was Cela Ward, Swoozy Kurtz, Patricia Calimber, and one 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:19.680 other actress I can't remember, and it was these four 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.799 sisters or five sisters that all had boy names. I 0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:25.760 think she was Georgie, Teddy Alex. 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:27.000 Well. 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.719 Yeah, they had one hundred and twenty seven episodes and 0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:31.560 I had never heard of it, and I knew you 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:32.520 probably watched it. 0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:34.960 Yes, Oh, I was so into sisters. It was like 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.680 a nighttime soapy show about these sisters and I just 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:38.359 like loved it. 0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:42.520 Well, and you know who Swoosie is. Swoozie kurt Susie Kurtz. 0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:44.959 She played the judge who sold teens to a teen 0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:47.120 jail for money. Yes, we're going to cover that one 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.840 co didn't belong in jail, So that episode's called Crush 0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:54.520 and Swussie is a fun name. Yeah, And I just 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:57.880 it makes the world seem so big because like I 0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.520 just I'm so into television and the fact that I 0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:02.319 have never even heard of a show that had one 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:04.040 hundred and twenty seven episodes. 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:07.080 You know what's weird, Lisa. It was on like Friday nights, 0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:09.839 which usually Friday night is like a TV graveyard, well 0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:13.000 teach Friday night, well right, but a drama, like a 0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:14.640 drama that was on at like ten I think it 0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:16.600 was on nine or ten on a Friday night. Like 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:19.480 that's like goodbye, We're about to cancel you. But that 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:21.680 show just kind of lived on Fridays for a really 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:23.360 long time, and I loved it. I would watch it 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.279 when I was babysitting, Like I don't know. It was 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.560 all things that I was too There was women cheating 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:30.080 on their husbands, and it was all shit that I 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:31.880 was too young to be watching. But I was obsessed. 0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:33.560 What is Cela war known for? 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:36.160 She was sh had another show right, She was in 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:38.839 The Fugitive. She plays the wife of Harrison Ford who 0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:39.920 gets murdered in The Fugitive. 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:43.680 That's one of my movies, favorite movies. And she's so beautiful. 0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:46.960 Cela Award, like I remember her sisters. She dated George 0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:49.600 Clooney and sisters and sisters. George Clooney was in it. 0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:51.520 Oh my god, they're together. Yeah. 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:54.919 No, The Fugitive is in my top ten. I can't 0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.240 believe I didn't put that together. I love that movie 0:43:57.320 --> 0:43:59.680 so much, and I love Mulani's joke about it. Is 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:01.640 he just going into my brain and telling jokes about 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:02.439 everything I've ever loved. 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:03.240 I don't understand. 0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:08.400 I think so so thank you for that sister's update, hm. 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:10.239 But she but she's she has been on a lot 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:13.120 of episodes of Best View, and I always am like Georgie. Yeah, 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.080 she was in one of my She's been in ten episodes. 0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:18.240 She was in Trade, which is with the Coffee Beans 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:20.160 and they and the Real Life. 0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:22.040 Pedal, the Life from Seventh Heaven. 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:25.800 Yes, so it's when Anne Warner from Legally Blonde is 0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:26.200 the sun. 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:30.840 Oh? Yes, right? Am I wrong? 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:32.920 That's just off the tip of my brain right now. 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:33.799 I don't search it. 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:36.680 I remember Warner. Maybe he is the son I don't remember. 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:38.520 I think it is. 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:44.040 So Riley's parents talk. They're clearly very upset their son 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:45.960 got killed. It would be weird if they weren't upset. 0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:49.360 But Novak is chatting with Benson and stable A during 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.480 the sad statement, and it's like, can you just not 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:57.040 talk during these mourning parents talking. But the foster mother 0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:58.960 said that Cassandra left, so they have a problem. They 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:01.840 need to find Cassandra. While they're looking for Cassandra, Scott 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:05.000 explains to the court why they loved extreme fighting. They 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:07.840 felt rejected from every other sport and really sucked at sports, 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.399 but this was their way in. They really just loved 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.359 beating each other up and they felt like God's He's 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:16.240 at least okay that Riley died doing something he loved. 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:18.680 And if I was his parents sitting there, I would 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:19.279 lose it. 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:21.160 Yeah. 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:24.319 Yeah, he loved being in an abandoned like bleeding out 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:27.719 slowly on a dirty mattress with the fuck getting hit 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:29.520 by light tubes like scott a. 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:32.960 Barb wire whifflebat like. I don't think this is dying 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:37.439 room what he loved so fucked it's like I love 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.080 watching SVU. I don't want to die watching SVU. And 0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:41.840 so that you guys can say she died doing what 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:42.800 she loved. You don't know. 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:46.200 But he is sad and he said he'll think about 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:49.239 this forever. He gets five years probation and has to 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:53.920 continue therapy. And then while Novak and the detectives are 0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:55.959 like walking in the court steps, they get a call 0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.839 from who they think is Cassandra and they're like, oh great, 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.600 now she wants to call, but it's actually the foster 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.200 mother and they have to meet Cassandra in the hospital. 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:06.359 She got hit by a car. Dun dun, dun da dah. 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:10.399 So Finn and Munch are looking at the CCTV guy 0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:14.080 footage of the car accident and it was a black BMW, 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:15.960 so they're looking out for that, and who does the 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:16.680 car belong to? 0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:17.759 They zoom in. 0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:21.400 And it's a driver and the driver is one of 0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:25.080 Scott's friends that Maloney saw outside the high school. So 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:27.680 Finn's stabler don't even have to try that hard to 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:29.520 get the city at to crack. This is like te 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:33.040 ball for them. It's like so easy. And the dad 0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:35.520 is like, what is she dead? Who cares? And it's 0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:38.760 like she has a broken leg and her jaws wired shut, 0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:42.080 So like these parents, And I don't know if you 0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:44.760 you were not you did not know our friend Lauren 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:48.000 at this time, but our friend Lauren had her jaw 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:52.560 wired shut for a while during our friendship, and it's brutal. 0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:54.600 I knew a girl in high school who had it, 0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:58.440 and it seemed awful and she was just like sad 0:46:58.520 --> 0:46:59.200 to be around. 0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:01.520 She had a like bleck up burgers and drink them, 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:03.480 and she was just wasting away in front of us, 0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.560 not being able to talk. And and then even when 0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:08.440 the jaw's not why you can't really move it. 0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:11.440 I remember New Year's like it was tough for her. 0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:17.839 So I'm but she's great now, Yeah, she's great. 0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:21.480 Her jaw is doing good. 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:23.920 So they do tell this boy. 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.719 They're like, listen, you're up for attempted murder, so you 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:32.000 should talk. But like you're in trouble. Whether your dad 0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:35.040 thinks this is a big deal or not. But it's 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:38.600 also like, dad, get your kid a lawyer. Why are 0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:43.839 you even talking to the cops, Like these parents, you'll 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:47.200 know better. So they tell him he's up for an 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:50.440 attempted murder charge, so you better talk, and he was like, listen, 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:51.600 I wasn't even trying to kill her. 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:53.080 I was just trying to rough her up a little bit. 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.560 It's like, stop talking to the cops. 0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:00.640 This dad sucks. He's like whatever, she's not even dead. 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:04.759 Tell him what you did? Like what the fuck? And 0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:06.560 he said it's because he needed the money. This is 0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:08.920 where the gambling dots come in and he got five 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:10.200 hundred dollars to do it. 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:12.840 Who hired you, obviously it's Scott. 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.479 So they arrest Scott and he had this done because 0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:17.239 he didn't want her speaking at the hearings. So he 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.359 is a bad person and he's been playing us all 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:21.920 along this whole time, like, you know, just hit someone, 0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:23.000 Like what does she know? 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:23.760 What are you scared? 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:27.520 Of you're obviously lying, hiding shit, Yeah, what are these secrets? 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:30.520 So Benson visits Cassandra in the hospital and she can 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:33.720 barely speak, and of course, like you know, some makeup bruising, 0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:37.160 and you know, they tell her like he can get 0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:41.919 twenty five years for attempted murder and like you could 0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.520 have just only had probation or four years max, Like 0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.200 you're an idiot for trying to fucking run her over 0:48:47.280 --> 0:48:50.960 with a car. Before Benson can leave, a doctor grabs 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:55.080 her to reveal some scoop. She says, the admission records 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.640 say that she's sixteen, but her jaw X ray shows 0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:01.400 that she doesn't have buds, which are like a waiting 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:04.920 area in your jaw, like for wisdom teeth, and they 0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:07.759 don't come out until adulthood. But she noticed that she 0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:10.120 had scars where the teeth are taken out, so she 0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:13.000 can't be sixteen. She has to be in her mid 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:15.719 to late twenties, depending on the scar healing of the 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:16.520 wisdom teeth. 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.239 Do we actually feel our wisdom teeth like come in? 0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:22.919 I did. I had a lot of pain really when 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:24.560 they came in, when they like broke through. 0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:28.040 Yeah, but I waited forever. I got them done later 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:29.560 in life. I was living in New York, so I 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:34.040 was in my late twenties, so I don't know. I 0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:34.760 guess that's exactly. 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:36.360 I just remember them. I don't remember them. I just 0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.480 remember them being like in my mouth, like I don't 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:40.560 remember having like a teething process. 0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:43.839 Well, to get in detail, I actually found a really 0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:46.520 funny gift of a tooth doing this that I used 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:50.200 for a while. But my wisdom tooth, instead of growing up, 0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:51.800 was growing. 0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:52.680 Into my other teeth. 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:56.160 Oh wow, so like sideways, and that's maybe where my 0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:59.560 pain came from. And then I started an internet war 0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:01.760 on Twitter while it was high on drugs. But anyways, 0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:06.320 that's so funny. I felt like a queen. I loved 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:11.000 having my wisdom teeth out. People brought me weed tincture snacks, 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.600 everyone k paid attention to, and I really enjoyed it. 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:17.080 So that's such a twist. 0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:21.160 But it's also like, aren't there exceptions to the wisdom 0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:23.560 teeth rule? Like I can't imagine this being like a 0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:26.279 hard and fast rule, but whatever. Benson rushes to the 0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:28.799 foster care files and needs them to see what's up 0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:29.800 and how did this happen? 0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:30.799 They have no. 0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:32.440 Records before she was found. 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:34.879 She was just sleeping at a train station and they 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:38.240 brought her in and it's like they don't Usually runaways 0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:40.719 don't grab a Social Security card or birth certificate, so 0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:44.680 that's it's not uncommon to not have information about a runaway. 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:46.799 But it said that she did live in a group 0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:50.239 home in Pennsylvania. So Munch calls them and they have 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:53.160 no record of a Cassandra Sullivan, but the center remembers 0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:55.680 a girl with the same kind of sob story, so 0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:58.200 everyone's a little bit suspicious. But they're going to send 0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:01.040 over a photo of her school ID, and uh, it's her. 0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:04.520 It's Cassandra, but her name is Loretta Sheridan. And I 0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:06.720 want to know how Neil Bhaer came up with these names. 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:10.759 This seems very deliberate. Loretta is not a young girl's name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:13.600 and she was in tenth grade. So Maloney and Benson 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:16.040 go to the hospital and inform Cassandra on all the 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:18.680 new evidence, and she can't speak because of the jaw surgery, 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:22.399 so she starts to like dry erace writing and she's 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:24.480 sticking to her guns and saying that's not me. I'm 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:26.839 not Loretta, and she keeps gritting her teeth and saying 0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:30.520 go away, and it just all looks painful. She's doing 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:33.360 an incredible job acting, and they're like, you're an adult 0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:36.040 and you're in fucking trouble. You shouldn't date high school 0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:40.719 boys or be in foster care. And she's very dramatic. 0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:43.680 She goes, Riley's dead, I will never date again. So 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:49.120 maybe she is sixteen, and she starts crying and Benson's like, 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:51.040 you need to stop crying. With your jaw wires shut, 0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:53.560 you're not going to be able to like breathe. So 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:57.560 it's just a lot. So then the Dynamic duo go 0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:00.080 to see Novak and chat it out and see what's happening. 0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:03.200 And another alias come out and her name was Denise 0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:05.919 Pickering and she was arrested in Detroit twelve years ago 0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:08.279 and was sixteen at the time of the rest, which 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.280 means she is now twenty eight. 0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:12.839 And then Benson kill her line. She goes, you gotta 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:14.680 give it to her. She looks good for her age. 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:18.480 The address in Detroit is a foster home she was 0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:21.360 placed in from her abusive home, so she was in 0:52:21.440 --> 0:52:23.839 rough shape when she arrived. She is someone that had 0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:27.279 a rough life but then aged out eighteen and was 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:30.239 like pissed because she loved foster care, so she just 0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:33.839 wanted to like recreate that happiness. Novak says, she could 0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:37.240 go down for theft. She's been getting a free education 0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:41.719 and like using foster care stuff, and Stablers like, I 0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:44.560 think what's worse is hanging out with teenagers, maybe like 0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:47.359 not money from the government, but. 0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:48.920 Like raping kids. 0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:50.840 So they got to pull her out of school and 0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:52.600 stop the foster care money from coming in. 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:54.000 So what's going to happen to her? 0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:57.080 Benson's really concerned for her because you know, she is 0:52:57.160 --> 0:53:01.000 sixteen in her heart. So Novak says, listen, she's pushing 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:03.319 thirty and she needs to figure it the fuck out. 0:53:03.920 --> 0:53:06.479 Back at the precinct, Stabler has a redstawt in his mouth, 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:10.120 making some precinct coffee and says, oh, did you get 0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:11.160 a chill up your spine? 0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:14.360 A defense attorney just walked in, so white Hair. 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:16.080 Gates gets in and he goes, hey, I need to 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:19.640 file a report of rape for Scott. He was attacked 0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:21.640 in high school by an old ass woman pretending to 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.480 be sixteen, and that's statutory rape. And I want to 0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:27.360 arrest it and prosecute it. And they're like, well, he 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:29.719 tried to murder her, and he goes, well, maybe that's 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:31.560 why he did it. He was suffering from the rape 0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:35.480 trauma from rape trauma syndrome. And Stabler's pissed that this 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:39.240 defense tactic and using like real stuff to finangle something 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:39.879 that's not real. 0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:42.040 But it is real. What's happening? But why haven't you 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:42.680 arrested her? 0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:46.279 And you know if like this was reversed engenders, there 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:48.239 would be some arrests, and you've known for weeks. Why 0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:51.319 weren't we notified? So white Hair says, you don't have 0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:54.920 just like you. This discretion is fucked up and the 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:57.080 reasons you're not arresting her are fucked up, and you 0:53:57.120 --> 0:54:00.080 need to book her right now. So Novak goes to 0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:02.880 the Bowery Safe Haven on Second Street to meet with 0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:08.160 our Pigtail queen and she's at the shelter and without. 0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:09.240 It, she would have been on the street. 0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:12.720 So thanks to Novak for helping her get the shelter, 0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:15.080 and she's trying to tell her to take the plea, 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:18.640 but Cassandra's like, I didn't rape anybody. She keeps saying 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:21.440 she's only sixteen. And she's like, drop it, Denise, or 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:24.120 I'll take you to trial and Scott will testify against you. 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:27.759 And she's like, I won't admit it, no, And Novak's like, 0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:29.319 you can go to jail for up. 0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:31.239 To three years, and she just won't do it. 0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:34.080 She goes, I'm going to go to court and I'm 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:38.040 going to clear my name and I'm going to defend myself. 0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:43.000 Who Scott is now on the stand talking about how 0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:45.279 she said she was sixteen but is twenty and it 0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.480 made him feel sick to his stomach and creeped out. 0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:52.160 Fair Now Cassandra's in crutches, pigtails, a little schoolgirl outfit 0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:56.440 and she's sixteen in quote like about to question a 0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:59.920 suspect on the stand. It's like, it's just a real 0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:02.560 bonkers out of reality. 0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:03.200 He's seen. 0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:06.759 I just love this child in court right now. 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:10.000 So they have a back and forth and she's not 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:13.600 doing a great job as a lawyer. She's just making 0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:16.799 statements and arguing and everything's kind of wild and heating up, 0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:20.360 and Scott is really mean and talks about how Riley 0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:23.960 dumped her skanky ass and that she's a sicko and 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.640 that he says he tricked both, that she tricked both 0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:29.319 of them, and she's like, I didn't ask you out 0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:31.080 or come on to you. I was crying on your 0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:34.439 shoulder and he says, you're disgusting, and she says, you're 0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:37.640 disgusting for calling Riley your friend after what you did 0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:40.720 to him. And he flips out in court what an amazing, 0:55:40.800 --> 0:55:44.640 lucky actor and an incredible performance and screams, I only 0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:50.080 killed him because of you. Cool confession too late, though, 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:53.600 but nice. He jumps and screams. 0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:56.239 I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, you freak. 0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:58.600 And all these people have to hold him back and 0:55:58.680 --> 0:56:02.080 Novak's like, oh, this was your plan all along, like 0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:04.520 pretending you're sixteen and to do this, and she goes. 0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:06.040 No, I am sixteen. 0:56:07.640 --> 0:56:11.120 So we're in like the DA's office and Novak opens 0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:14.719 the door and lets in missus Hayes and she says, hi, Denise, 0:56:15.160 --> 0:56:17.880 you don't remember me, and she goes, no, YadA YadA. Basically, 0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:21.040 this woman is Jeanie, the first foster parent from Detroit, 0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:25.160 and she brings pictures and talks about a swing and 0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:28.720 Cassandra spent hours a day on the swing and that's 0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:31.160 so that's a cry for help. A swing for hours, 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:36.600 you're a teen, get off the swing, like I just 0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:38.320 I don't know why you would swing for hours. 0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:41.839 But then she aged out. 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:43.440 And she's like, I wish I could afford you, but 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:46.040 we just couldn't afford to keep you. And she goes, yeah, 0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:47.759 they just dumped me onto the street and I had 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:51.759 nowhere to go. She just finally had someone to take 0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:54.319 care of her, and she wanted to recreate that. So 0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:56.640 the detectives come in and Novak goes, oh, I think 0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:59.160 she'll take the plea now, but they look like they 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:01.880 have some news. So Stabler says, I don't know if 0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:04.319 the other das will be as lenient, and she goes, 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:08.560 wait what, And there's all these other boys. All these 0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:11.880 boys come forward. So Benson shows her a bunch of photos, 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:14.840 a guy in Indiana, one in Maryland, one from New Jersey, 0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:16.880 and it is like, do you remember them? You had 0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:19.480 sex with these boys, and she goes, yeah, they were 0:57:19.480 --> 0:57:23.520 my high school sweethearts. Riley, wasn't the love of your life? 0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:25.640 You didn't love any of them? She says, I did 0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:28.000 love them. I love them all, but they all got 0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:32.560 older and I didn't and the lighting design is incredible, 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:35.000 Like any influencer would be so jealous of the lighting 0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:36.200 on her face right now. 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:39.320 And then yeah, she's an out of her mind predator. 0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:43.520 And that's dick wolf baby, and that's that twist turns, 0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:45.040 so many twists and turns. 0:57:45.680 --> 0:57:48.600 Wait until you hear the real story, girl, can't wait. 0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:50.120 Thank you for doing the research. 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:51.040 I known nothing. 0:57:51.400 --> 0:58:04.000 We'll be right back, all right. So this is the 0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:06.680 story of Treva Thronberry. A lot of people have heard 0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:07.200 this story. 0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:10.120 Well, there wasn't a famous last name of a cartoon 0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:13.160 on Nicola the Thornberry's that's Thornberry. 0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:14.280 This is Throneberry. 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:15.160 Okay, thank you. 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:18.560 I originally thought her name was Triva Thornberry, but it's Throneberry. 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.760 And she was born on May eighteenth, in nineteen sixty 0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:26.600 nine in Wichita Falls, Texas, to Carl and Patsy Thronberry. 0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:29.520 Her family later moved to Electra, Texas, which is where 0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:31.919 Triva grew up. In Electra, everyone knew her by sight. 0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:34.560 She seemed normal to everyone. She waitressed at a place 0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:38.480 called the Whifflestop. Hello, fred Green Tomatoes, and she had 0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:40.960 a couple weird moments people talk about, like she woke 0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:42.440 up one night in the middle of the night and 0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:44.240 told her niece there was a man outside with a gun, 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:47.120 which was a lie, and she apparently collapsed in church 0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:49.320 at the altar was screaming at Jesus that she didn't 0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:52.960 deserve to live. So that was a strange a couple 0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:56.880 strange moments about her. But here's the deal. Treva and 0:58:56.920 --> 0:59:00.000 her three older sisters were all sexually abused by their uncle, 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:03.200 Billy Ray as children. This guy was drunk and a predator, 0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:05.960 and he took a special liking to Triva, and he 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:08.760 molested all the sisters. But they suspect that it might 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:11.480 have gone like beyond touching and groping with Triva, like 0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:14.160 they all described him sneaking into their bed feeling them 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:15.680 up and stuff, and then they think it might have 0:59:15.760 --> 0:59:19.320 even gone farther with Triva like this is honestly, this 0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:22.280 image really disturbed me, so I'm sorry that I'm describing it. 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:25.320 But one sister said she came home once she was older, 0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:27.320 and she came home and found Triva just bouncing on 0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:30.240 her uncle's lap, like he was truly like bouncing her 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:32.360 on his lap in a perverted way, and he had 0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:34.320 his hands up her shirt and she wanted to like 0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:36.520 reach out and protect her sister and pull her away, 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:38.640 but she didn't because she was so scared of this man, 0:59:39.120 --> 0:59:41.520 and like that image just just like creeps me out 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:43.600 so much. And I just think, what a sick fuck 0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:47.200 is that what bouncing on the knee originated from? Just 0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:49.760 perverting Like bouncing on the knee is one thing on 0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:51.760 the end of your knee. This guy was like bouncing 0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:54.040 her on his lap, like on his junk. 0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:56.280 Like he yeah, But I'm just saying, what's the point 0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:58.440 of bouncing anyone on a knee? And I wonder if 0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:01.560 that's like an act creepy thing that we. 1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:05.960 Just accept in society. Yeah, I don't know, Santa's lap. 1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:08.320 Are we still doing this in twenty twenty one? Who knows? 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:09.080 So. 1:00:09.200 --> 1:00:13.000 In nineteen eighty five, Triva accuses her father, Karl, of 1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:16.200 raping her. Now there's absolutely no evidence of this, and 1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:18.880 all three sisters come forward and sign affidavits saying we 1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:21.880 don't think ours our father did this. They all maintain 1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:25.200 that their father never touched them. And Carl was like, 1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:28.800 what about the church that Triva is involved in, there's 1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:32.520 probably somebody there that molested her. Because they're trying to 1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:35.360 brainwash her to become a missionary. And the church people 1:00:35.360 --> 1:00:37.560 were like, well, actually, she told us she was scared 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:39.240 to be at home and would sneak out at night 1:00:39.280 --> 1:00:42.560 to sleep in an abandoned house next door or in actual 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:44.600 pews at the church. So they were just trying to 1:00:44.640 --> 1:00:46.520 help her by getting her into missionary work. I know, 1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:49.240 we have our feelings on missionary work, but the church 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:51.840 was like, we didn't hurt her. So because of this 1:00:51.880 --> 1:00:54.880 allegation against her father, Treva was removed from her family 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:57.240 in Electra and she was placed with a foster family 1:00:57.320 --> 1:01:00.640 in Wichita Falls, Texas, in December nine, ten eighty five, 1:01:00.680 --> 1:01:02.920 when she was fifteen years old, and she enrolled in 1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:05.560 the local high school there. Her foster mother was named 1:01:05.600 --> 1:01:09.240 Sharon Gentry, and she said she would find Triva at 1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:11.200 night curled in the fetal position in the corner of 1:01:11.240 --> 1:01:14.919 the room, the covers over her head, and sometimes they'd 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:16.480 find her banging her head against the wall in her 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:18.320 sleep and saying, please don't hurt me. I'll be a 1:01:18.320 --> 1:01:20.880 good girl. So like this case, when I first heard 1:01:20.880 --> 1:01:22.200 about it, I was like when I first saw the 1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:23.800 SVU and I knew there was a real okay. I 1:01:23.840 --> 1:01:26.320 was like, this is wild, how crazy or whatever. But 1:01:27.120 --> 1:01:30.840 this girl clearly had a horrible, horrible, abusive upbringing, and 1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:33.160 to me, that's like what leads to everything else that 1:01:33.240 --> 1:01:36.800 happens afterwards. So it's actually quite sad. So in May 1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:39.280 of nineteen eighty six, she told her foster mom that 1:01:39.360 --> 1:01:42.560 she was considering taking her own life, and literally the 1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:45.400 cops came handcuffed her and took her to a local 1:01:45.440 --> 1:01:49.120 mental hospital, the Wichita Falls State Hospital. Is that the 1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:52.200 best way to handle someone who's making, you know, statements 1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:54.360 about ending their life. I don't think so, but here 1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:58.080 we are in the eighties. She was there for five months, 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:00.560 and apparently while she was there she said very little. 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:02.640 She cried a lot, and she walked around with a 1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:06.640 vacant stare. They did give her xanax for anxiety. They 1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:11.600 gave her trilopon to combat what they called thought disorders, 1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:15.320 and tafrenil, which was an antidepressant. So she was on 1:02:15.480 --> 1:02:19.280 drugs at the mental hospital and the doctors had no 1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:21.080 clue what was wrong with her, and they called it 1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:24.040 a characterlogical disorder. And I feel like if she had 1:02:24.080 --> 1:02:27.160 come in today to a hospital. Hopefully they would have 1:02:27.200 --> 1:02:29.960 been like gotten to the root of her trauma and 1:02:29.960 --> 1:02:32.120 figured out what happened, But at this point they were 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:33.880 just like, we don't know what's up with her. She 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:37.880 might have some kind of weird personality disorder. Anyway, her 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:39.760 parents came to visit her at the hospital and they 1:02:39.800 --> 1:02:42.480 demanded she recamped the rape allegation in front of her 1:02:42.480 --> 1:02:45.480 social worker and her therapist and stuff, and she refused. 1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:47.360 She was like, you're the ones that are lying. You 1:02:47.400 --> 1:02:48.920 don't love me, and I'm gonna I want to go 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:53.040 back to my room. So after five months at that hospital, 1:02:53.280 --> 1:02:55.720 the doctor said that she was no longer clinically depressed, 1:02:55.720 --> 1:02:57.280 but they didn't know where to send her, and she 1:02:57.360 --> 1:02:59.960 begged to not be sent back to her parents. I 1:03:00.120 --> 1:03:02.800 nineteen eighty six. October of nineteen eighty six, she went 1:03:02.800 --> 1:03:06.080 to Lena Pope Home for Troubled Girls in Fort Worth, Texas, 1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:09.800 and she graduated from a nearby high school to that 1:03:10.000 --> 1:03:14.440 home called Arlington Heights High School in nineteen eighty seven. 1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:18.920 So she kind of spends the next decade bouncing around 1:03:18.920 --> 1:03:22.000 the country and using all these various aliases. I mean, 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:25.280 she tells people she was a teen with an abusive background, 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:28.120 and that she lived in homeless shelters and foster homes 1:03:28.120 --> 1:03:30.160 and enrolled in all these local high schools under these 1:03:30.200 --> 1:03:32.600 various aliases. And I'll get into it, but she told 1:03:32.600 --> 1:03:35.040 a lot of people that her father was a Satanist, 1:03:35.360 --> 1:03:37.240 that her father had raped her and killed her mother, 1:03:37.320 --> 1:03:39.040 and she had a lot of different other stories about 1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:41.200 being raped by a Satanic cult, and there was a 1:03:41.200 --> 1:03:43.600 lot of you know, the eighties was the Satanic Panic, 1:03:43.600 --> 1:03:45.600 which I've talked about before. So that was I think 1:03:45.920 --> 1:03:48.280 a buzzy thing you could talk about and say, oh, 1:03:48.320 --> 1:03:50.720 this happened to me, and people either might not not 1:03:50.760 --> 1:03:53.000 ask that many questions, or they might get they might 1:03:53.040 --> 1:03:55.920 believe you without as many details because oh, the Satanic 1:03:55.960 --> 1:03:59.200 cult like covered it up, you know, because everyone was 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:01.720 kind of just blind believing in all the Satanic Panic. 1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:07.920 But she consistently made accusations of sexual abuse against people 1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:11.360 throughout her travels, So whether those were true or not 1:04:11.640 --> 1:04:14.680 is hard to say, but they were mostly never prosecuted. 1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:17.400 And I'll get into it. So she graduates high school 1:04:17.400 --> 1:04:20.440 in nineteen eighty seven, bounces around a little bit, gets 1:04:20.480 --> 1:04:23.080 like some hotel jobs as maids or whatever, in nineteen 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:27.560 ninety three, she's in Corvallis, Oregon, as a teenager named 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:31.360 Kylie tethrown Berry Smitt and Kylie Smitt, But it's k 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:33.400 e I l I. I've never heard that spelling of 1:04:33.480 --> 1:04:37.080 Kylie but I or Kaylee. Maybe maybe it's Kaylee. And 1:04:37.160 --> 1:04:41.440 in nineteen ninety four, she pops up in Cordelaine, Idaho, 1:04:41.640 --> 1:04:44.320 where Shasta Groni was taken. We talked about that town, 1:04:45.000 --> 1:04:49.360 and there she told police her name was Kara Leanna Davis, 1:04:49.360 --> 1:04:52.120 but Kara with a C. She said her mother had 1:04:52.120 --> 1:04:54.600 been murdered and her father was a police officer, had 1:04:54.600 --> 1:04:56.720 been a member of a Satanic cult and had repeatedly 1:04:56.800 --> 1:04:57.320 raped her. 1:04:57.440 --> 1:04:59.200 After two months in Cordelaine. 1:04:58.840 --> 1:05:02.520 She vanished. Next she shows up in Plano, a suburb 1:05:02.560 --> 1:05:05.720 of North Dallas, and there she tells police that her 1:05:05.800 --> 1:05:08.560 name is Kara with a ka. A good choice. Her 1:05:08.640 --> 1:05:11.240 name is Kara, Williams said. She tells police that she's 1:05:11.320 --> 1:05:13.960 sixteen years old, that she'd been born and raised in 1:05:13.960 --> 1:05:17.680 a Satanic cult, and she'd been taught to honor Satan, 1:05:17.840 --> 1:05:19.640 and that she would die in a lake of fire. 1:05:19.720 --> 1:05:21.480 And she said, all these children she grew up with 1:05:21.520 --> 1:05:24.080 had been sacrificed and stabbed to death with daggers, and 1:05:24.120 --> 1:05:26.600 the police are just kind of like wow, like listening 1:05:26.680 --> 1:05:29.000 to these stories. She said her own mother had been 1:05:29.040 --> 1:05:32.200 murdered by her father, who was a cult leader, and 1:05:32.240 --> 1:05:35.240 that he raped her repeatedly, and that at bedtime she 1:05:35.280 --> 1:05:38.400 was forced to champ prayers to Lucifer. So eventually they 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:40.200 found her out in Plano. They found out that she 1:05:40.240 --> 1:05:43.160 was lying, and she vanished again. In June of nineteen 1:05:43.200 --> 1:05:47.720 ninety six, she shows up as Emily Cahara Williams in Asheville, 1:05:47.720 --> 1:05:50.200 North Carolina, where she tells the police that she's on 1:05:50.280 --> 1:05:53.439 the run from a cult in Texas. And then later 1:05:53.520 --> 1:05:55.520 that same year, in nineteen ninety six, she's in Altoona, 1:05:55.560 --> 1:06:01.080 Pennsylvania as Stephanie Danielle Lewis. So after teen days of investigation, 1:06:01.200 --> 1:06:04.640 the police contacted a girl that Triva had known in 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:06.960 Texas and found out who she really was. So in 1:06:07.000 --> 1:06:09.760 al Tuna, she was arrested and charged with giving false 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:12.800 information and sentenced to nine days in jail. After she 1:06:12.880 --> 1:06:15.800 was released, she disappeared again and moved on to the 1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:20.520 next one. Yeah, nine days, that's spring break. Yeah, yeah, 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:23.200 I don't understand the short sentence. But also she I 1:06:23.200 --> 1:06:25.760 guess there she hadn't fully gotten into like she hadn't 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:28.120 fully gotten into foster care. Maybe so she hadn't like 1:06:28.200 --> 1:06:30.280 been charged with like theft or you know, maybe it 1:06:30.320 --> 1:06:32.800 was hard to charge her with anything, just like false identity. 1:06:33.920 --> 1:06:36.720 As social worker in Altuna had actually gotten her parents 1:06:36.720 --> 1:06:39.040 on the phone. And when they got the parents on 1:06:39.080 --> 1:06:41.480 the phone, she said to her dad, you sound like 1:06:41.520 --> 1:06:43.760 an awful nice man. I wish you were my father, 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:46.480 but you're not. And he and she said, I'm not 1:06:46.520 --> 1:06:49.480 who you think I am. So after al Tuna, she 1:06:49.560 --> 1:06:53.439 was in Louisiana, New Jersey, Ohio, and she would always 1:06:53.480 --> 1:06:55.880 show up at youth shelters with luggage, a Teddy Bear, 1:06:55.960 --> 1:06:59.000 a bible, a flute with some sheet music and some 1:06:59.080 --> 1:07:02.320 algebra homework like the high school kid's handbook. 1:07:02.400 --> 1:07:04.880 And what was the social I don't get the parents. 1:07:04.920 --> 1:07:07.200 So the social order got the parents on the phone. 1:07:07.640 --> 1:07:09.320 Yeah, got her actual parents on the phone and they 1:07:09.320 --> 1:07:10.960 were like, Treva, are you okay? And she was like, 1:07:11.000 --> 1:07:13.560 I'm not Triva. Sorry, I don't know who you are, 1:07:13.760 --> 1:07:16.440 Like she was just denying that she knew them. So 1:07:16.920 --> 1:07:20.200 all in all, she used about eighteen teenage aliases. And 1:07:20.520 --> 1:07:23.160 here's a fun tidbit. She joined the tennis team at 1:07:23.200 --> 1:07:26.720 every school that she that she lived in and went to. 1:07:27.160 --> 1:07:29.600 And she was shit at tennis. She was terrible, like 1:07:29.640 --> 1:07:31.760 they said, she was always awful and like always lost 1:07:31.760 --> 1:07:36.040 her matches, but never stopped trying. So in nineteen ninety seven, 1:07:36.400 --> 1:07:38.840 this is like, this is kind of her big stop. Okay. 1:07:39.000 --> 1:07:42.520 In nineteen ninety seven she shows up in this tennis 1:07:42.520 --> 1:07:45.840 Thing's gonna make me laugh. For a few weeks, she 1:07:45.880 --> 1:07:47.960 had tennis posters on her wall and stuff too, And 1:07:48.000 --> 1:07:51.240 I remember that being very that was very late eighties 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:53.320 early nineties. I knew so many girls had had like 1:07:53.400 --> 1:07:57.760 Jennifer Capriotti and like, you know, like what who is 1:07:57.880 --> 1:08:01.240 Monica Cellis? Posters up likeness girls were like the hot 1:08:01.280 --> 1:08:02.520 thing back then. I don't know if it was like 1:08:02.560 --> 1:08:05.840 an Olympics here or what. But in ninety seven she 1:08:05.920 --> 1:08:09.960 shows up as Brianna Stewart in Portland, Oregon and Vancouver, Washington, 1:08:10.520 --> 1:08:13.800 So I don't another article said ninety eight, so I 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:15.560 think in ninety seven she was in Portland. She makes 1:08:15.560 --> 1:08:19.200 her way to Vancouver, Washington, not Canada. In nineteen ninety eight, 1:08:19.640 --> 1:08:24.000 and she enrolls in Evergreen High School, which is an 1:08:24.000 --> 1:08:26.320 ironic as fuck name I think for to be someone 1:08:26.360 --> 1:08:29.400 who is never aging. Going to Evergreen High School is 1:08:29.479 --> 1:08:32.479 very funny to me. So she had a boyfriend for 1:08:32.520 --> 1:08:34.400 a year and a half while she was Evergreen. His 1:08:34.520 --> 1:08:37.360 name is Kenny Dunn. They went to a Sadie Hawkins 1:08:37.479 --> 1:08:40.479 dance together in matching outfits, and I'm going to describe 1:08:40.479 --> 1:08:43.799 the matching outfits to you. They were wearing maroon T shirts, 1:08:44.080 --> 1:08:47.680 denim overalls, and Chuck Taylor's and I can put this 1:08:47.720 --> 1:08:50.760 in our stories, but the picture is quite funny. I mean, 1:08:50.960 --> 1:08:52.960 turn the T shirt into a crop top and I'd 1:08:53.000 --> 1:08:56.439 wear that, yeah, But with your boyfriend to a dance, 1:08:56.560 --> 1:08:58.639 I mean it was like it was the coordination. It's 1:08:59.040 --> 1:09:01.920 the picture is too teenage embracing wearing matching outfits. It's 1:09:02.000 --> 1:09:02.439 very funny. 1:09:02.479 --> 1:09:04.880 And I know obviously this case started in a very 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:06.960 serious manner, but this is the time of my life. 1:09:06.960 --> 1:09:08.639 This is so funny. I feel like I'm in sweet. 1:09:08.800 --> 1:09:10.920 Like all the name, like all two Court, like all 1:09:10.960 --> 1:09:13.639 the names are very funny. All her aliases are silly. 1:09:14.400 --> 1:09:16.680 But it's just like all of this could have been 1:09:16.720 --> 1:09:20.120 avoided if they didn't like lock her, like if they 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:22.800 handled the abuse with the uncle. Yes, if like the 1:09:22.880 --> 1:09:25.360 uncles put away, she got the therapy she needed, was 1:09:25.400 --> 1:09:28.679 treated like a true victim of assault, like she could 1:09:28.680 --> 1:09:33.080 have continued like all of this is a symptom of 1:09:33.200 --> 1:09:34.599 people fucking her over. 1:09:35.240 --> 1:09:41.000 Yeah, completely, So honestly, what everything she does is kind 1:09:41.040 --> 1:09:44.840 of funny because she doesn't I will I won't say 1:09:44.840 --> 1:09:47.720 she has her crimes are completely victimless because I'll get 1:09:47.720 --> 1:09:51.519 into it. But she is mostly not hurting anyone, and 1:09:51.560 --> 1:09:53.840 she's been so hurt, so it's kind of easy to 1:09:53.840 --> 1:09:55.639 be like, oh, this is silly. She's wearing these matching 1:09:55.640 --> 1:09:59.400 outfits and while they while the song Shania Twains, You're 1:09:59.439 --> 1:10:02.559 still the one played, Kenny kissed Brianna on the dance 1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:04.360 floor at the Stadie Hawkins dance and told him that 1:10:04.360 --> 1:10:06.120 he loved her. So they were in this very serious 1:10:06.160 --> 1:10:08.400 relationship and she eventually ended up opening up to him 1:10:08.400 --> 1:10:12.200 about her abuse. But she claimed that she was from Mobile, Alabama, 1:10:12.920 --> 1:10:15.000 still that her stepdad had murdered her mom and that 1:10:15.080 --> 1:10:17.000 he habitually raped her and all this stuff, and that 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:19.479 was kind of what was going on in her life 1:10:19.520 --> 1:10:22.719 in Vancouver. Also in Vancouver, she falsely accused a forty 1:10:22.760 --> 1:10:25.759 seven year old security guard named Charles Blankenship of rape. 1:10:26.280 --> 1:10:28.400 She was actually twenty eight at the time of this, 1:10:28.800 --> 1:10:31.360 and he pled guilty to having sex with a miner 1:10:31.720 --> 1:10:34.479 and was sentenced to fifty days in jail. So after 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:37.040 it was exposed later that she was a fraud a 1:10:37.160 --> 1:10:39.719 judge of sponge blanken Ship's conviction, but he still spent 1:10:40.240 --> 1:10:41.080 fifty days in a year. 1:10:41.200 --> 1:10:44.439 Yeah, but he thought she was sixteen, so he would 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:48.160 trape another team and he was fine to do it. 1:10:48.320 --> 1:10:52.720 So yeah, maybe on a technicality, fine, but like still a. 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:59.000 Shady character, exactly exactly. So basically what was going on 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:01.840 with Brianna towards the end of high school was she 1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:04.200 really needed a Social Security number so she could get 1:11:04.240 --> 1:11:06.080 a job, a license, a credit card. I mean, you 1:11:06.080 --> 1:11:08.200 really can't do anything with your life without a social 1:11:08.800 --> 1:11:11.280 and a lot of people in Washington State were trying 1:11:11.280 --> 1:11:13.759 to help her. They were trying to track down her identity, 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:15.960 get her a social but it was obviously very hard 1:11:15.960 --> 1:11:18.080 to track down her identity because she was like lying 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:21.000 about all the details. Like people were really coming out 1:11:21.000 --> 1:11:23.799 to help her social workers, detectives like people were contacting 1:11:23.800 --> 1:11:26.720 the FBI trying to find records of this satanic step 1:11:26.840 --> 1:11:29.240 dad who was also a cop, like or that. Maybe 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:31.479 that wasn't even the current story, but you know, they 1:11:31.479 --> 1:11:34.000 were all trying to find, like follow these leads from 1:11:34.040 --> 1:11:36.400 her stories, but nothing ever panned out because none of 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:39.200 this shit was real. She even at one point took 1:11:39.200 --> 1:11:42.439 a bus to Mobile, Alabama, where a police officer drove 1:11:42.479 --> 1:11:45.160 her around to see if anything jogged her memory, and 1:11:45.200 --> 1:11:47.400 she'd be like, oh, yeah, I remember swinging on that swing, 1:11:47.600 --> 1:11:49.719 or like I remember going to this playground or whatever, 1:11:49.840 --> 1:11:51.960 and like none of that was true, Like, for all 1:11:52.000 --> 1:11:54.120 we know, she'd never even set foot in Mobile, Alabama 1:11:54.840 --> 1:11:58.160 at the time. A dentist in Portland this is what 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:01.240 ties in exactly to the episode, noticed that Stuart no 1:12:01.320 --> 1:12:03.559 longer had wisdom teeth and that the scars from their 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:07.479 extraction were healed, which was unusual for a teenager. And 1:12:08.000 --> 1:12:11.240 when the social worker confronted Brianna about the dentist from 1:12:11.320 --> 1:12:12.840 like the dentist in full like, oh, do you know 1:12:12.840 --> 1:12:15.960 what happened with your wisdom teeth or whatever, Brianna wrote 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:18.679 a five page like a manifesto about how her word 1:12:18.760 --> 1:12:21.240 is bonde and she was not lying, and when she 1:12:21.320 --> 1:12:24.599 told her boyfriend Kenny, can you believe what this social 1:12:24.640 --> 1:12:27.760 worker said about my wisdom teeth? Kenny was like, well, 1:12:27.760 --> 1:12:29.920 maybe that is something, maybe that's like a clue to 1:12:30.000 --> 1:12:32.960 your identity. She flipped out on him, and he just 1:12:33.040 --> 1:12:34.880 kind of was like, Okay, never mind, because he loved 1:12:34.880 --> 1:12:37.120 her so much and just wanted to keep the relationship afloat. 1:12:37.200 --> 1:12:40.800 So everything was okay in their relationship until at the 1:12:40.880 --> 1:12:43.320 end of their junior year. Brianna was staying with the 1:12:43.360 --> 1:12:47.479 Gombetta family, whose son was good friends with Ken Kenny, 1:12:47.520 --> 1:12:50.559 her boyfriend, and the Gambetta's had been treating Brianna like family. 1:12:50.600 --> 1:12:53.000 They'd given her a bedroom an allowance of ten dollars 1:12:53.040 --> 1:12:55.120 a week, she had her tennis posters up on the wall. 1:12:55.560 --> 1:13:00.479 Everything was cool, and then in nineteen ninety nine, Brianna 1:13:00.560 --> 1:13:03.400 called the cops and told them that David Gambetta, the 1:13:03.439 --> 1:13:05.719 father of the family, had been spying on her while 1:13:05.760 --> 1:13:08.360 she was changing using little cameras he put in the 1:13:08.439 --> 1:13:11.880 light fixtures in her room. After a quick investigation, the 1:13:11.880 --> 1:13:14.720 police decided that these accusations were totally groundless and the 1:13:14.720 --> 1:13:17.719 Gambetta's kicked Brianna out. So it's interesting, like she kind 1:13:17.720 --> 1:13:21.200 of does a lot of she does. She makes accusations 1:13:21.240 --> 1:13:24.120 against people a lot of times, almost in a form 1:13:24.160 --> 1:13:26.800 of self sabotage, because a lot of times it kicks 1:13:26.800 --> 1:13:29.679 her out of the place where she is and at home. 1:13:29.760 --> 1:13:31.360 She did it on purpose. I think she did the 1:13:31.479 --> 1:13:33.479 ripe accusation against her dad because she knew I would 1:13:33.479 --> 1:13:34.559 just get her out of the house and that her 1:13:34.640 --> 1:13:37.840 dad would never believe her about the uncle anyway. She 1:13:37.920 --> 1:13:40.439 kept insisting she was telling the truth, but Ken Now 1:13:40.560 --> 1:13:42.639 was like, I don't believe you, Like he was starting 1:13:42.640 --> 1:13:44.439 to think back on all of the stories she ever 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:46.760 told and was like, holy shit, Like what if she 1:13:46.840 --> 1:13:49.479 made everything up? So they end up breaking up. She 1:13:49.600 --> 1:13:52.519 graduates from Evergreen High School in the year two thousand 1:13:52.600 --> 1:13:54.720 with a two point eight three grade point average, and 1:13:54.760 --> 1:13:56.759 it's worth noting that she got a d in drama, 1:13:56.800 --> 1:13:59.040 which is nuts because she seems like she's a pretty 1:13:59.040 --> 1:14:03.160 great actress pretending to be sixteen across eighteen different towns. 1:14:03.800 --> 1:14:06.680 She spent the summer after her graduation answering phones for 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:10.640 the Ralph Nader presidential campaign. But mostly she was focused 1:14:10.680 --> 1:14:14.000 on getting that social baby. She wrote a six page 1:14:14.080 --> 1:14:17.640 letter to the governor of Washington. She got two lawyers, 1:14:17.800 --> 1:14:21.280 one in Portland and one in Vancouver, Washington, neither of 1:14:21.320 --> 1:14:23.439 whom knew what the other one was doing. So the 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:26.960 Vancouver lawyer sued the state to force the Vital Records 1:14:27.000 --> 1:14:30.280 Office to issue Brianna a birth certificate. He gave them, 1:14:30.560 --> 1:14:33.720 you know, high school transcripts, her state license or her 1:14:33.720 --> 1:14:37.439 state picture ID, medical statements about her mental health, and 1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:40.439 weeks later the state Deputy Attorney General said he would 1:14:40.439 --> 1:14:43.120 not oppose Brianna's petition for a birth certificate, so she 1:14:43.280 --> 1:14:45.320 was literally all she had to do was show up 1:14:45.320 --> 1:14:47.360 in March of two thousand and one for a court appearance, 1:14:47.400 --> 1:14:49.760 and she was about to get a birth certificate, which 1:14:49.800 --> 1:14:52.880 would have led to a Social Security card. Unfortunately, she 1:14:52.960 --> 1:14:56.920 also hired this Portland lawyer. The Portland lawyer petitioned the 1:14:56.920 --> 1:15:00.679 federal government directly asking them to give Brionna social number. 1:15:00.840 --> 1:15:03.520 But for this, he said, Brianna had to submit fingerprints 1:15:03.600 --> 1:15:05.240 just to make sure that there was no chance she 1:15:05.280 --> 1:15:08.519 could be someone else. So on March twenty second, a 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:12.400 week before this hearing, was supposed to happen. Brianna was 1:15:12.560 --> 1:15:16.800 arrested on charges of theft and perjury because they found 1:15:16.840 --> 1:15:20.120 her fingerprints. The detective that arrested her told her she 1:15:20.240 --> 1:15:22.839 was thirty one years old. She had been illegally receiving 1:15:22.880 --> 1:15:25.439 free foster care and free public education from the state 1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:28.320 of Washington, and she told the detective like, oh. 1:15:28.200 --> 1:15:30.840 You know me, so thinks she'd get better grades after 1:15:30.880 --> 1:15:32.360 doing so much high school over it. 1:15:32.560 --> 1:15:34.200 That's what a lot of people say. A lot of 1:15:34.200 --> 1:15:35.920 people said. A lot of people said. That just goes 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:38.040 to show you how much algebra sucks. That this girl 1:15:38.120 --> 1:15:41.800 took algebra like multiple times and still did not get 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:45.600 good grades in it. Like so, but it's like, you know, 1:15:47.040 --> 1:15:50.080 who knows what her trauma has effect on her education. 1:15:50.880 --> 1:15:53.240 Her father was a sixth grade graduate who couldn't even 1:15:53.280 --> 1:15:56.679 read to write, so, like, you know, she wasn't from 1:15:56.760 --> 1:16:01.280 an educated family per se. So Rihanna obviously tells the 1:16:01.280 --> 1:16:03.960 detectives you've made some kind of mistake, and he's like, no, 1:16:04.000 --> 1:16:06.920 your Portland attorney requested your fingerprints, and they matched a 1:16:06.960 --> 1:16:10.040 woman from Altuna, Pennsylvania, by the name of Triva Throneberry. 1:16:10.080 --> 1:16:12.879 They obviously printed her before she did that nine day sentence. 1:16:13.400 --> 1:16:16.640 So if she hadn't hired two lawyers who were working independently, 1:16:16.680 --> 1:16:18.320 she might have actually gotten away with it because the 1:16:18.400 --> 1:16:21.519 Vancouver lawyer had her almost across the finish line, so 1:16:21.720 --> 1:16:25.160 kind of crazy. Once she was busted, a lot of 1:16:25.160 --> 1:16:30.080 people in the Vancouver area of Washington were divided on it, 1:16:30.120 --> 1:16:31.559 like a lot some people were like, Oh, she's a 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:34.719 criminal mastermind, and others were like, no, she needs mental 1:16:34.720 --> 1:16:38.760 health treatment, you know, like she especially because eventually the 1:16:38.800 --> 1:16:41.800 story broke. Once this story came out, her sisters did 1:16:41.800 --> 1:16:43.800 come forward about what happened to them, and they all 1:16:43.840 --> 1:16:46.400 confirmed that they had been molested by the uncle. And 1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:49.760 but people couldn't figure out that after like she was 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:53.040 busted in four different towns, she still never admitted that 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:55.200 she was Triva Thornberry. And she must have known when 1:16:55.200 --> 1:16:57.040 she gave her fingerprints that they were going to pop. 1:16:57.080 --> 1:17:00.559 Like it's just like it's just kind of this intense 1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:03.719 delusion that she was really truly believed she was sixteen 1:17:03.800 --> 1:17:07.599 years old. And there's apparently barely any psychiatric literature that 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:10.719 covers these the behaviors that Treva was exhibiting, Like there's 1:17:10.760 --> 1:17:15.320 just not many stories about somebody. There's obviously impostors, but 1:17:15.360 --> 1:17:18.680 they usually fess up, you know, especially confronted with fingerprint 1:17:18.880 --> 1:17:20.439 or like blood analysis and stuff. 1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:23.439 I'm wondering if this is a sibyl situation where it's 1:17:23.479 --> 1:17:27.599 like disassociating and putting the things behind and having all 1:17:27.640 --> 1:17:30.600 these different personalities, but instead it's like full reality, Like 1:17:30.600 --> 1:17:33.719 I understand, I can see that, Like. 1:17:33.920 --> 1:17:36.519 Yeah, some people said she might have Yeah, some people 1:17:36.520 --> 1:17:39.680 said she might have had multiple personalities. Others said disassociated 1:17:39.720 --> 1:17:42.320 fugue states, both things that you've mentioned. Like, so people 1:17:42.320 --> 1:17:44.439 were really trying to figure out what was wrong with her, 1:17:44.479 --> 1:17:46.200 and there were a couple of things, but she was 1:17:46.240 --> 1:17:50.160 never I don't think, like conclusively diagnosed. But basically no 1:17:50.160 --> 1:17:52.639 one from her family really contacted her after her arrest, 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:55.559 like her sisters even like I just feel like her 1:17:55.600 --> 1:17:57.800 sisters so abandoned her, like even though I know they 1:17:57.800 --> 1:17:59.720 were scared, like they still didn't help her even after 1:17:59.760 --> 1:18:02.240 she was arrested, and like no one reached out to 1:18:02.240 --> 1:18:05.200 her except like a cousin of hers. Her dad was like, 1:18:05.280 --> 1:18:06.960 I didn't write because I can't read or write, and 1:18:07.000 --> 1:18:09.439 the mom was like and he also was pissed because 1:18:09.439 --> 1:18:11.080 he thought she was making up the story about the uncle. 1:18:11.080 --> 1:18:13.479 And it's like, dude, all of your daughters have said 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:15.599 this happened, so you need to relook at your brother, 1:18:15.640 --> 1:18:18.000 Billy Ray. I don't know how else to say it, 1:18:18.000 --> 1:18:21.240 but this is a wild turn. Her mom, Patsy, said 1:18:21.320 --> 1:18:23.719 she didn't write because she was truly hurt by Triva 1:18:23.760 --> 1:18:27.439 abandoning the family. But she says she doesn't think Triva 1:18:27.479 --> 1:18:29.840 fully abandoned the family because she said in nineteen ninety 1:18:29.840 --> 1:18:32.640 eight when her mother died, when Patsy's mother died, so 1:18:32.720 --> 1:18:36.439 Treva's grandmother died, there was an elderly lady sitting at 1:18:36.479 --> 1:18:40.519 the back of the funeral wearing an old, faded dress, 1:18:40.920 --> 1:18:43.360 and that at the end, the lady brushed past her 1:18:43.400 --> 1:18:46.080 as everyone's leaving the funeral parlor, and Patsy noticed that 1:18:46.120 --> 1:18:48.240 it was a woman wearing a gray wig and granny 1:18:48.280 --> 1:18:51.240 glasses and had a ton of pancake makeup on her face. 1:18:51.720 --> 1:18:54.280 And she said, in my heart, I know it was Triva. 1:18:55.360 --> 1:18:59.040 Incredible went back to her hometown for her grandmother's funeral 1:18:59.320 --> 1:19:01.799 in like a legend. 1:19:02.000 --> 1:19:07.360 Goodness for SVU for bringing this story to the table, 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:10.519 but the fact that that this is not a motion picture. 1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:14.520 That's what I said, and emburssing for everyone in Hollywood. 1:19:14.920 --> 1:19:16.439 I've looked it up, and I'm like, how has this 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:18.640 not been a movie? Like, I bet you I don't know. 1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:20.880 You know, movie projects fall through the cracks all the time. 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:23.120 But because I'll tell you, one of my sources is 1:19:23.160 --> 1:19:25.800 an amazing article from Texas Monthly and that'll be in 1:19:25.840 --> 1:19:28.200 our show notes and everything. But they did a very 1:19:28.240 --> 1:19:32.400 in depth, like full, really well written research on this 1:19:32.439 --> 1:19:35.400 whole story, and I'm like, someone definitely would have optioned 1:19:35.400 --> 1:19:38.200 that article, Like movies are getting made from articles all 1:19:38.240 --> 1:19:40.160 the time, and like this article should be optioned as 1:19:40.160 --> 1:19:44.519 a movie. Do we contact Reese Witherspoon like I do. Yeah, 1:19:44.720 --> 1:19:46.880 it's really unexplainable why this hasn't been a movie, but 1:19:46.920 --> 1:19:49.960 it has been an SVU Foux show, and there are 1:19:50.000 --> 1:19:53.559 more similarities coming up between SVOs, so just hold on 1:19:53.640 --> 1:19:59.000 to your butts. And they they said that one good 1:19:59.040 --> 1:20:01.519 thing that did come from her arrest was that her 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:03.960 sisters did start speaking to each other and they all 1:20:04.000 --> 1:20:06.920 started like comparing notes about the abuse and like sort 1:20:06.960 --> 1:20:09.200 of talking about their abuse that they had experienced. So 1:20:09.360 --> 1:20:11.400 I don't think that anything ever fucking happened to this 1:20:11.479 --> 1:20:14.639 pervert uncle, but at least a sisters maybe started getting 1:20:14.640 --> 1:20:19.360 some you know, their head wrapped around their trauma and everything. 1:20:20.600 --> 1:20:24.320 The prosecutor, much like in the SVU episode, offered Treva 1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:27.080 a plea bargain of two years in prison if she 1:20:27.120 --> 1:20:30.839 admitted who she was. She wouldn't take the deal. Okay, 1:20:31.240 --> 1:20:33.360 she had a quart a pointed attorney, she had multiple 1:20:33.400 --> 1:20:36.519 quarter pointed attorneys. She fired them because she thought that 1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:39.439 they were planning to argue, which they were, that she 1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:41.720 was Treva Thornberry, but that she didn't know she was 1:20:41.760 --> 1:20:44.519 committing a crime because she truly believed she was Breonna Stewart. 1:20:44.840 --> 1:20:48.160 So she fires her attorneys, and just like in the episode, 1:20:48.200 --> 1:20:51.280 she represents herself because she had actually in high school. 1:20:51.520 --> 1:20:54.479 In her time at Evergreen High, she had expressed an 1:20:54.479 --> 1:20:56.639 interest in becoming a lawyer, and so this was probably 1:20:56.680 --> 1:20:59.080 like kind of the ultimate school play for her. Like that, 1:20:59.120 --> 1:21:01.200 she gets to go in and defend herself in court 1:21:01.720 --> 1:21:05.000 and she says the exact same thing that Cassandra said. 1:21:05.000 --> 1:21:08.160 I also think Cassandra Sullivan Brianna Stewart, they're like similar 1:21:08.280 --> 1:21:11.160 names in a weird way. She wanted to convince the 1:21:11.240 --> 1:21:13.439 jury that she was Brionna Stewart, and she said, quote, 1:21:13.439 --> 1:21:15.559 it's very important for me to clear my name, which 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:19.840 is something Cassandra said as well. Okay, So Brianna slash 1:21:19.920 --> 1:21:23.400 Treva's trial began in November of two thousand and one, 1:21:23.439 --> 1:21:25.400 and she would come into court with law books, like 1:21:25.439 --> 1:21:27.120 a stack of law books. She would have her hair 1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:31.400 and braids, and she had wore denim ankle length skirts. 1:21:32.200 --> 1:21:35.920 Lisa I was like waiting on Lisa to comment about it. 1:21:36.280 --> 1:21:38.640 I know that's religious uniform, but this is also what 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:39.559 this girl was wearing. 1:21:40.000 --> 1:21:45.160 Yeah, watch Long's long denim skirts will be in next year. Yeah, well, 1:21:45.200 --> 1:21:47.880 you know, I'm wearing my long khaki skirt with a slit. 1:21:48.640 --> 1:21:49.160 I've been worrying. 1:21:49.200 --> 1:21:51.280 I know I've been seeing you wearing that. It shows 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:52.519 and it looks great. Yeah. 1:21:52.560 --> 1:21:54.640 I start my show and I go, I'm doing a 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:58.760 little sexy menonit vibe and then everyone laughs and you know. 1:22:00.160 --> 1:22:02.160 Great, all right, I love it. 1:22:02.400 --> 1:22:05.639 But that is a Halloween costume you would buy sexy Mennonite. 1:22:05.960 --> 1:22:10.720 Yeah, sexy Mennonite baby crop top khaki skirt. I just 1:22:10.840 --> 1:22:16.200 love crop tops. It's I don't I love them? Yeah, no, yeah, 1:22:16.200 --> 1:22:19.120 I can tell a huge staple in your wardrobe. They 1:22:19.120 --> 1:22:21.559 really are. I want you to crop top our sex 1:22:21.600 --> 1:22:23.479 crime shirt because I don't think you'll wear that regularly. 1:22:23.479 --> 1:22:24.000 I think you should. 1:22:24.280 --> 1:22:26.200 No, I love a baseball tea. 1:22:26.680 --> 1:22:28.280 Oh long, you want crop chop it? 1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:30.600 I have my swim team high school. 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:36.320 Baseball tea in my closet right now, from eighteen what 1:22:36.439 --> 1:22:36.640 is it? 1:22:36.680 --> 1:22:42.240 Third eighteen? I don't know maths from a while ago, yeah, 1:22:42.280 --> 1:22:43.519 fifteen years ago. 1:22:43.720 --> 1:22:47.000 Maybe that was the best part about losing weight at 1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:50.559 my parents' house, was I am wearing my Victoria's Secret 1:22:50.640 --> 1:22:51.480 pink shirts. 1:22:51.760 --> 1:22:55.040 I'm wearing my swim team shirts. You're taking a walk 1:22:55.120 --> 1:22:58.240 down memory lane startorially. 1:22:58.040 --> 1:23:01.559 Yeah, and then not yet, but once I get my 1:23:01.600 --> 1:23:04.759 guests Denham skirt out, my personality will never. 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:11.280 Be the same. Can't wait. Okay. So she's coming into 1:23:11.280 --> 1:23:14.240 court every day in the long skirts. She's smiling at 1:23:14.280 --> 1:23:16.960 the judge, whose name is Judge Robert Harris, and she's 1:23:17.000 --> 1:23:19.240 got this little girl voice, and she'll just be like 1:23:19.439 --> 1:23:21.920 hi every morning. And I think that's probably why they 1:23:22.840 --> 1:23:25.960 had this girl specifically also have this very high voice 1:23:26.000 --> 1:23:29.519 in the show. It was very like a little girl voice. 1:23:29.880 --> 1:23:32.920 And then the judge apparently was like so thrown by her, 1:23:32.960 --> 1:23:34.439 like he never knew what to do with her, and 1:23:34.479 --> 1:23:37.200 like he would be like hello, miss Stewart, misthrown Berry whatever, 1:23:37.360 --> 1:23:40.879 like he would just have like full like little uh. 1:23:40.680 --> 1:23:43.720 Yeah, Like John c Riley would play the judge like 1:23:43.840 --> 1:23:46.960 this needs yes, this wee do, this needs to happen. 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:50.400 Lily Ryan Hart can play Treva. Yeah. I mean, I'm 1:23:50.439 --> 1:23:52.880 sure some actress that's in her thirties would want to 1:23:52.920 --> 1:23:54.680 be like, yes, put me in a movie where I'm 1:23:54.680 --> 1:23:56.479 playing sixteen. Let me prove it to you. 1:23:56.640 --> 1:23:59.160 Yeah, Sir Povitski, I mean I don't know. We got 1:23:59.520 --> 1:24:01.720 I'm calling our manager immediately. 1:24:02.000 --> 1:24:04.879 I ester Kovitsky would be a good casting for that. Actually, 1:24:04.920 --> 1:24:06.720 she does have a little girl look listen, I have 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:12.200 a gift. Yeah, I'll cast a movie now. That is 1:24:12.280 --> 1:24:14.439 so insulting to casting people. 1:24:14.640 --> 1:24:15.000 Casting. 1:24:15.439 --> 1:24:16.880 You know, one time I was in a meeting at 1:24:16.880 --> 1:24:18.960 like CBS or something, and I said casting agent, and 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:21.599 they were like, we don't go by that, like they 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:22.240 got pissed. 1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:25.719 Oh cool, toy, it's casting director. 1:24:26.240 --> 1:24:30.679 Okay, but I'm not trying to tell you what I'm 1:24:30.720 --> 1:24:31.400 just telling. 1:24:31.120 --> 1:24:32.759 You that I got yelled at by like eight people 1:24:32.760 --> 1:24:35.599 in a meeting, and I'm like I just got off 1:24:35.640 --> 1:24:37.920 the boat and came here, like not really. 1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:44.519 But okay. So Treva had a court appointed attorney sitting 1:24:44.560 --> 1:24:46.559 next to her all the time to answer any questions 1:24:46.600 --> 1:24:51.400 she had, but she actually seemed pretty comfortable like defending herself. 1:24:51.439 --> 1:24:54.960 She would just like literally go objection relevance and like 1:24:55.479 --> 1:24:57.559 she would just call it out and like smile at 1:24:57.560 --> 1:25:01.760 the judge. This bitch lived. Our dreams are dreams, and 1:25:01.800 --> 1:25:05.479 the prosecutor wanted to murder her. Like the prosecutor they said, 1:25:05.560 --> 1:25:07.400 you could just see him. His name was Kinny, his 1:25:07.479 --> 1:25:09.639 last name was Kenny, and you could they could said 1:25:09.680 --> 1:25:11.920 you could see him like clenching his fists. And he 1:25:12.040 --> 1:25:14.320 was like so pissed off that she was like playing 1:25:14.320 --> 1:25:19.040 this little game in the courtroom. And so an investigator 1:25:19.080 --> 1:25:22.040 from the prosecution took the stand and was explaining all 1:25:22.080 --> 1:25:25.160 the complexities of like the fingerprints, and then Treva would 1:25:25.200 --> 1:25:27.320 just like kind of nod, and then in her cross 1:25:27.360 --> 1:25:30.200 examination she asked him all these like pointless questions about 1:25:30.280 --> 1:25:33.400 ridge patterns and like different fingers and stuff, and it 1:25:33.439 --> 1:25:36.120 was like she was. It was like she was in 1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:39.480 high school, like asking a teacher, like about an experiment 1:25:39.600 --> 1:25:41.880 is what one article I read said so, And then 1:25:41.920 --> 1:25:44.880 like later another law enforcement officer told the jury about 1:25:44.880 --> 1:25:48.000 the way Kylie Smitt in Corvallis, Oregon had used all 1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:51.000 these aliases. She was like a mystified and she goes, 1:25:51.240 --> 1:25:53.840 why would somebody come up with so many names? It 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:55.320 makes no sense, Like. 1:25:55.479 --> 1:26:00.960 Her brain was just not She ivusually the smartest and 1:26:01.080 --> 1:26:04.200 dumbest person alive at the same time. She's a hero 1:26:04.320 --> 1:26:06.920 and enemy of the state at the same like she's 1:26:06.960 --> 1:26:09.519 living all our dreams but lived a nightmare. This is 1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:12.640 the most complex character who wants an oscar. Let's go, 1:26:13.040 --> 1:26:14.200 let's get this going. 1:26:14.680 --> 1:26:17.120 And apparently right after she said that, she was like 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:19.360 it makes no sense. She like turned and like beamed 1:26:19.400 --> 1:26:21.439 at the jury, and then the officer who was on 1:26:21.479 --> 1:26:23.880 the stand just like shrugged because I think he was like, 1:26:23.920 --> 1:26:26.559 I don't know what you're even talking about. So, just 1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:30.799 like in the episode Kinny, the prosecutor brings in Sharon Gentry, 1:26:30.920 --> 1:26:34.920 Treva's foster mom from fifteen years ago, to testify that 1:26:35.040 --> 1:26:37.240 she had known Treva in nineteen eighty five. When she 1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:40.880 was sixteen years old. And this part apparently is like 1:26:41.040 --> 1:26:44.559 really really sad in the courtroom because like, Triva comes 1:26:44.640 --> 1:26:47.240 forward asks her to see some of the photos that 1:26:47.280 --> 1:26:49.400 she'd brought with her, and like they said, for the 1:26:49.439 --> 1:26:52.759 first time, she seemed actually really caught off guard and uneasy, 1:26:53.439 --> 1:26:55.960 and she just stared at this photo of herself and 1:26:55.960 --> 1:26:58.960 her foster mom on a beach, and then a photo 1:26:59.000 --> 1:27:01.280 of herself with her high schoo boyfriend from the time, 1:27:01.800 --> 1:27:04.599 and after a really long silence, she said, this Triva, 1:27:04.640 --> 1:27:07.880 in these pictures, what was she like? And her foster 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:10.479 mom said, she was a very polite young lady. She 1:27:10.560 --> 1:27:13.599 enjoyed church, she enjoyed tennis. She had a wooden tennis racket. 1:27:13.840 --> 1:27:16.599 She was always very appropriate and very thankful. She always 1:27:16.600 --> 1:27:19.519 apologized if she hurt my feelings. And then Treva said, 1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:22.679 was Treva smart? And she said, oh yes, she loved 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:26.080 to read and really enjoyed school activities. She made good grades. 1:27:26.760 --> 1:27:28.960 And then she said did she work hard? And then 1:27:29.280 --> 1:27:32.080 the foster mom herself was like struggling not to cry. 1:27:32.200 --> 1:27:34.840 She said she almost stood up and tried to hug 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:37.280 her across the witness box because she just like wanted 1:27:37.280 --> 1:27:39.200 to give this girl a hug because she felt she 1:27:39.280 --> 1:27:44.080 was so traumatized and like confused obviously about her own identity. 1:27:44.520 --> 1:27:48.760 And she responded, she worked very hard, she tried hard. 1:27:48.800 --> 1:27:52.120 Triva was a wonderful young woman. And then Treva said, oh, 1:27:52.160 --> 1:27:55.080 thank you. So that was the end of the questioning, 1:27:55.120 --> 1:27:58.120 and that just sounds really heartbreaking. But for her final argument, 1:27:58.280 --> 1:28:00.160 she kind of just read out a short speed she 1:28:00.200 --> 1:28:02.800 had handwritten in one of her notebooks, and she said, 1:28:02.880 --> 1:28:06.000 I still say I am Brianna Rebecca Stewart. I don't 1:28:06.000 --> 1:28:08.680 pretend to be anyone else but me. Of course, she 1:28:08.760 --> 1:28:10.760 lost the case. It was pretty open. 1:28:11.040 --> 1:28:14.160 I mean, what a lucky jury, what a lucky everyone 1:28:14.200 --> 1:28:16.280 that got to be there to experience this. This is 1:28:16.280 --> 1:28:19.160 a once in a lifetime moment Like this has not happen. 1:28:19.439 --> 1:28:21.080 You do not get someone pretending to me a bunch 1:28:21.120 --> 1:28:23.519 of people representing themselves thinking they're sixteen. 1:28:23.640 --> 1:28:26.040 Like, I mean, I hope I'm not being. 1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:29.160 Too like disrespectful about all the trauma. But this is 1:28:29.400 --> 1:28:32.519 just the most sensational story I think we've covered, and 1:28:32.560 --> 1:28:36.400 we cover really wild ones and the imposter, but like 1:28:36.560 --> 1:28:42.920 this is cinematic and layered in the like the most unique. 1:28:42.640 --> 1:28:44.680 Way, and there's so much information. 1:28:44.800 --> 1:28:46.400 The fact that I didn't know about any of this 1:28:46.600 --> 1:28:49.479 to me, I thought, oh, okay, maybe found a couple articles. 1:28:49.479 --> 1:28:51.280 This is some little you know, but maybe it's based 1:28:51.280 --> 1:28:54.479 on like to have this much like I, oh my god, 1:28:54.640 --> 1:28:56.160 Neil Barry, get on the line. 1:28:56.280 --> 1:29:02.200 I've got. So the jury found her guilty very quickly. 1:29:02.240 --> 1:29:04.600 The judge sentenced her to three years in prison. And 1:29:04.680 --> 1:29:06.880 the problem the judge even admitted this. He said, the 1:29:06.880 --> 1:29:08.880 problem with prison in Washington State is that there are 1:29:09.000 --> 1:29:13.160 very limited mental health services available for inmates. So basically 1:29:13.240 --> 1:29:16.280 with these like non violent offenders, after her release, like 1:29:16.320 --> 1:29:18.160 she's just going to complete her sentence and she'll be 1:29:18.200 --> 1:29:19.840 sent out the door with maybe a tiny bit of 1:29:19.840 --> 1:29:22.960 money and a number for a woman shelter, and she'll 1:29:23.240 --> 1:29:26.120 basically she could just start this over again, like she 1:29:26.240 --> 1:29:28.360 might just go somewhere else in the country and start 1:29:28.360 --> 1:29:30.640 this again. Like nothing's really making her better, like this 1:29:30.680 --> 1:29:33.800 is not rehabilitating her. And Treva told the judge she 1:29:33.800 --> 1:29:36.120 would immediately file an appeal, and before she walked out 1:29:36.120 --> 1:29:38.799 of the courtroom, apparently she like looked out the window 1:29:38.880 --> 1:29:41.800 and just said, it's so unfair. It's so unfair. And 1:29:41.840 --> 1:29:44.400 a reporter who was standing nearby said, what's unfair? Are 1:29:44.479 --> 1:29:46.320 you talking about what happened to you a long time ago? 1:29:46.960 --> 1:29:49.559 And she looked at the reporter like really confused, and 1:29:49.600 --> 1:29:52.080 then said, my name is Breonna Stewart and I am 1:29:52.160 --> 1:29:54.920 nineteen years old. And as the baylists like put her 1:29:54.920 --> 1:29:57.040 in the elevator, there was like a crowd kind of 1:29:57.080 --> 1:29:59.640 gathered to see her, and she said, I'm nineteen. I'm 1:29:59.640 --> 1:30:02.960 not going guilty of anything except being a teenager. And 1:30:02.960 --> 1:30:06.920 she's a thirty one year old woman. So she was 1:30:06.960 --> 1:30:09.679 eventually released in two thousand and one after serving two 1:30:09.760 --> 1:30:11.639 years and three months of the sentence. Of the three 1:30:11.680 --> 1:30:15.240 year sentence, she's a free woman, as she insisted at 1:30:15.240 --> 1:30:16.720 the time of her release that she was still a 1:30:16.760 --> 1:30:18.840 twenty one year old named Breonna Stewart and not a 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:22.800 thirty four year old named Treva Thrownberry. And when she 1:30:22.840 --> 1:30:26.759 talked to ABC in an interview, she claimed that the tests, 1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:29.439 the blood tests that they had done to match her 1:30:29.439 --> 1:30:33.000 to her family, had altered blood in their veins because 1:30:33.000 --> 1:30:35.920 family members had undergone treatment for cancer. And she said 1:30:36.240 --> 1:30:39.320 when persons have recent blood transfusions in cancer treatments, it 1:30:39.320 --> 1:30:41.720 does alter the chemistry of the blood somewhat. So she's 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:44.640 clearly been watching SBU like she knows that there's that 1:30:44.720 --> 1:30:48.920 episode where leukemia changes the person's blood. Treva's father, whose 1:30:48.960 --> 1:30:51.080 blood was used for the DNA test, has never had 1:30:51.120 --> 1:30:54.439 any transfusions or cancer therapy. So even her excuse is 1:30:54.479 --> 1:30:58.400 like not holding up. And she said, I'm not Treva Thronebry. 1:30:58.760 --> 1:31:00.680 I just want to reiterate that I am not. No 1:31:00.720 --> 1:31:03.639 matter how much that family wants to suddenly produce their 1:31:03.640 --> 1:31:05.920 family member, no matter what they do, what they say, 1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:08.000 I am not Triva Throneberry, nor will I ever be 1:31:08.080 --> 1:31:11.599 Triva Thrownberry, because you can't make another person into somebody else. 1:31:11.720 --> 1:31:12.439 You just can't. 1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:15.880 And the last thing I found about Triva was that 1:31:15.920 --> 1:31:18.800 in twenty sixteen, she was working as a hotel maid 1:31:19.280 --> 1:31:25.400 as Brianna Kenzie, and she did accuse a man of 1:31:25.479 --> 1:31:27.800 raping her and he was like, she actually tried to 1:31:27.840 --> 1:31:30.599 steal my meth and punched me in the face. So 1:31:30.880 --> 1:31:33.400 like neither of them was ever charged, but she was 1:31:33.439 --> 1:31:36.720 fired from her job at that hotel. And I don't 1:31:36.720 --> 1:31:38.800 know what she's been up to for the past five years. 1:31:39.200 --> 1:31:42.120 But I'm sure our listeners will tell me. And that's 1:31:42.160 --> 1:31:45.160 that the thrilling, gripping. 1:31:46.560 --> 1:31:50.920 I but I also like, did I wonder if she 1:31:51.160 --> 1:31:53.439 like stopped at Brianna because then she got caught and 1:31:53.479 --> 1:31:56.240 all this stuff happened, or would she have gotten a 1:31:56.280 --> 1:32:01.799 new identity again, like she's now uck is Brianna? I guess, 1:32:01.880 --> 1:32:04.200 But like did she like that? Like wasnall? 1:32:04.320 --> 1:32:07.160 I think because Brianna was where she really dug in, 1:32:07.280 --> 1:32:09.280 Like she had a full like three years of high 1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:12.040 school there. She had a boyfriend there, like they were 1:32:12.080 --> 1:32:13.800 helping her get a birth certificate. I feel like that 1:32:14.000 --> 1:32:16.280 was the closest she thought to that was. I think 1:32:16.320 --> 1:32:18.679 she was sort of settling in too, Brianna Stewart being 1:32:18.720 --> 1:32:21.600 her future life. So I think that's why she was 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:25.439 hanging onto it. And when you look at pictures of her, 1:32:26.200 --> 1:32:28.680 like google her, I mean, you could definitely buy that 1:32:28.760 --> 1:32:31.679 she's sixteen, but she also definitely buy that she's thirty one. 1:32:31.800 --> 1:32:35.800 You know, she looks a little older. But that is 1:32:35.840 --> 1:32:38.880 that story. And we have an amazing interview coming up, 1:32:39.040 --> 1:32:49.479 so get ready, Okay, We're really pumped for you guys 1:32:49.520 --> 1:32:51.960 to hear our chat with our next guest because we 1:32:52.040 --> 1:32:53.920 think some of you might know him. He's been on 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:58.799 truly every procedural n CIS, Criminal Mind, CSI, CSI, Miami, 1:32:58.880 --> 1:33:02.880 et cetera. But he also famously played Mike Newton in 1:33:02.960 --> 1:33:07.720 the Twilight saga Bringing Any Bells, and some of you 1:33:07.760 --> 1:33:10.360 may know him as Luke Girardi from Joan of Arcadia 1:33:10.400 --> 1:33:13.719 as well, but today you met him as Scott Heston, 1:33:14.360 --> 1:33:17.280 and to us, he will always be the very talented 1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:21.080 actor Michael Welch. Check it out. Yay, Michael, thank you 1:33:21.200 --> 1:33:22.400 for joining me so much. 1:33:22.640 --> 1:33:25.120 Well, thank you for having me. Guys. This is this 1:33:25.160 --> 1:33:26.040 is going to be super fun. 1:33:26.040 --> 1:33:29.080 I can't wait a nice walk down memory lane. 1:33:29.280 --> 1:33:30.400 Yeah. 1:33:30.439 --> 1:33:31.680 Well, we're thrilled to have you. 1:33:31.720 --> 1:33:33.560 We obviously looked you up on the internet and you 1:33:33.600 --> 1:33:36.800 aren't booked and blessed so many IMDb credits one hundred 1:33:36.800 --> 1:33:43.240 and five you're working, so congratulations and talk about being 1:33:43.280 --> 1:33:47.000 a child actor and your life as a child star if. 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:48.639 That's okay of course. 1:33:48.760 --> 1:33:51.960 Yeah. I sort of consider my career more like a 1:33:52.800 --> 1:33:55.160 like a cal Rippking type thing. Just you stick around 1:33:55.240 --> 1:33:57.679 long enough, eventually you're going to accumulate some numbers. 1:33:58.000 --> 1:34:02.599 Not but I'm I'm always just kind of there is. 1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:04.559 That a sports reference. I mean, I get it, but 1:34:04.640 --> 1:34:06.760 it's sporty, sporty sorr. 1:34:06.800 --> 1:34:07.799 I know you're crad. 1:34:09.880 --> 1:34:11.799 No, I would like to say when I played softball 1:34:11.840 --> 1:34:17.240 at cal Ripken Glove, so I was there, Okay, Yeah. 1:34:16.960 --> 1:34:22.240 So I started acting when I was ten professionally, and 1:34:23.280 --> 1:34:27.160 you know, of course my parents forced me into it. 1:34:27.200 --> 1:34:29.519 Was there was a lot of parallels between my life 1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:33.040 and Jackson five. No, it was actually it was just 1:34:33.080 --> 1:34:35.519 something that I always kind of wanted to try, you know, 1:34:35.640 --> 1:34:38.000 as a little kid. I mean any sort of old 1:34:38.479 --> 1:34:42.040 you know, home video footage was always just me performing. 1:34:42.040 --> 1:34:45.080 That's all I ever did, just reciting whatever the latest 1:34:45.120 --> 1:34:47.160 thing I saw on TV was, whether it was a 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:51.040 commercial or whatever. So basically, you know, I don't know 1:34:51.040 --> 1:34:52.760 how much you want to hear. But long story short, like, 1:34:53.240 --> 1:34:55.599 my parents got me into a little local acting class 1:34:55.640 --> 1:34:58.800 when I was nine, just as an outlet to get 1:34:58.840 --> 1:35:02.160 out some of my energy. I went there for about 1:35:02.160 --> 1:35:05.040 a year, started to you know, get a sense of 1:35:05.880 --> 1:35:08.640 it and h and we sat down my teacher and 1:35:08.680 --> 1:35:11.400 I with my parents were like, we want to give 1:35:11.400 --> 1:35:11.920 this a shot. 1:35:12.000 --> 1:35:13.920 We didn't know anybody. We didn't know what we were doing. 1:35:14.000 --> 1:35:16.559 We were sort of lived in a suburb outside of 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:21.120 La so honestly, like my mom just we went in 1:35:21.160 --> 1:35:23.400 the phone book, found a photographer. We made up headshot 1:35:24.080 --> 1:35:27.360 and they were not very good. It wasn't even like 1:35:27.400 --> 1:35:29.320 a person who did headshot. It was just like a 1:35:29.360 --> 1:35:31.880 photographer in the yellow pant. And then my mom just 1:35:31.920 --> 1:35:34.120 carried him around with her in her purse and we 1:35:34.120 --> 1:35:36.960 were just like, hey, whatever, we're playing with house money here. 1:35:36.800 --> 1:35:37.839 Like, let's just see what happened. 1:35:38.320 --> 1:35:40.960 Two weeks later, she's at the dermatologist office with my 1:35:41.000 --> 1:35:43.759 older sister, get to do a conversation with this woman 1:35:44.439 --> 1:35:46.920 who ends up revealing like, oh, yeah, I'm a I'm 1:35:46.920 --> 1:35:48.640 a talent manager for kids. I'm here with one of 1:35:48.640 --> 1:35:52.680 my clients. She's having acne issues. It was melacunis not 1:35:52.760 --> 1:35:54.439 the name drop, but just just because that's. 1:35:54.280 --> 1:35:55.320 A fun little tibo. 1:35:55.520 --> 1:35:56.400 Wait was it really? 1:35:56.680 --> 1:35:59.320 It was? She was there with Milo Mila was apparently 1:35:59.320 --> 1:35:59.960 having some acne. 1:36:00.800 --> 1:36:02.640 Oh my god, I love that. 1:36:03.160 --> 1:36:05.080 And then my mom goes, oh, here, my son wants 1:36:05.080 --> 1:36:08.360 to be an actor, gives this random woman just my 1:36:08.360 --> 1:36:15.000 my terrible headshots and she was reluctant of course, at first, 1:36:15.400 --> 1:36:18.240 my mom is very pushy. She ends up looking at 1:36:18.240 --> 1:36:22.200 the pictures and meeting with me. I gave a terrible audition. Again, 1:36:22.439 --> 1:36:25.840 we didn't know anything, and for whatever reason, I don't 1:36:25.880 --> 1:36:28.040 know why, this woman saw something in me, she took 1:36:28.040 --> 1:36:30.720 me on as a client. She ended up being like 1:36:30.840 --> 1:36:33.519 one of the top managers for kids at the time. 1:36:33.560 --> 1:36:35.880 She had like you know, Hillary Duff and Brenda Song 1:36:35.920 --> 1:36:37.240 and like all these amazing clients. 1:36:37.240 --> 1:36:37.599 Wow. 1:36:37.960 --> 1:36:40.400 And she just like she just fought for me and 1:36:40.439 --> 1:36:43.599 she got me indoors. This is back in the day 1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:46.720 when not everything was submitted digitally. You actually had to 1:36:46.760 --> 1:36:49.439 like call the casting office convince them to see your client. 1:36:50.840 --> 1:36:52.519 This never would have worked now. I don't know. I 1:36:52.520 --> 1:36:53.120 don't know how. 1:36:52.960 --> 1:36:56.880 Anyone breaks into entertainment now because everything is digital, so 1:36:57.120 --> 1:36:59.960 there's not that like human element of knocking down the 1:37:00.040 --> 1:37:00.680 doors and making it. 1:37:00.760 --> 1:37:02.360 You know, you have to see this person. I don't 1:37:02.360 --> 1:37:03.880 care about their you know what I mean. 1:37:04.400 --> 1:37:07.559 So then basically, like the first job I got, it 1:37:07.640 --> 1:37:10.919 was as a younger version of Niles on the show Fraser. 1:37:11.560 --> 1:37:14.400 I saw that that was your first credit. It really 1:37:14.479 --> 1:37:15.280 warmed my heart. 1:37:16.000 --> 1:37:18.080 And all that was is like I just I love 1:37:18.160 --> 1:37:20.120 doing impressions as a kid. That was like the thing 1:37:20.120 --> 1:37:24.000 that I liked to do. And I guess I, you know, 1:37:24.240 --> 1:37:27.559 did an impression of Niles better than any other ten 1:37:27.640 --> 1:37:29.040 year old actor at the time. 1:37:29.200 --> 1:37:31.320 So I got that job. 1:37:31.320 --> 1:37:32.960 And then once that was on the resume, like that 1:37:33.000 --> 1:37:34.760 was when Fraser was in its stretch of you know, 1:37:35.200 --> 1:37:37.840 winning Emmys every year and number one comedy on you 1:37:37.920 --> 1:37:40.479 Must see TV, NBC, all that shit. So at that 1:37:40.600 --> 1:37:43.960 point that opened up other opportunities and then from there 1:37:44.000 --> 1:37:46.080 you just kind of build it a brick at a 1:37:46.120 --> 1:37:49.439 time and you keep going. So that's yeah, it's a 1:37:49.439 --> 1:37:51.800 crazy little story. No, no, two stories are alike with 1:37:51.840 --> 1:37:52.320 this stuff. 1:37:52.880 --> 1:37:55.360 Your mom is a hero to push you mothers everywhere 1:37:55.560 --> 1:38:00.439 and bless her. That's so awesome. So how did the 1:38:00.560 --> 1:38:03.400 SVU audition come about? Did you watch it you were young? 1:38:03.479 --> 1:38:05.599 I don't know if that was your vibe. Were you 1:38:05.600 --> 1:38:08.280 watching it NonStop? Did you send in a tape? Were 1:38:08.280 --> 1:38:10.400 you in New York? Like, do you remember any of that? 1:38:10.880 --> 1:38:14.040 Oh? I loved SVU at the time. I was a 1:38:14.160 --> 1:38:17.439 huge fan real I was so excited. Absolutely, I don't 1:38:17.439 --> 1:38:19.880 I mean, I don't know how this. 1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:21.320 Was season eight, So do you do you know what 1:38:21.400 --> 1:38:24.000 year this was what we don't have to do podcast map? 1:38:24.240 --> 1:38:27.360 Yeah, I think it was like seven probably. 1:38:27.600 --> 1:38:31.360 Okay, so I was young, whatever it was. Basically, I 1:38:31.400 --> 1:38:33.880 didn't audition for it. So here's here's what happened. And 1:38:33.960 --> 1:38:36.479 I ended up getting a lot of parts that I 1:38:36.479 --> 1:38:38.960 didn't audition for, which sounds a lot better than it is. 1:38:39.000 --> 1:38:43.800 Here's what the reality is. I again, cal Ricken was 1:38:43.840 --> 1:38:47.920 around a while. I auditioned all the time, developed relationships 1:38:47.920 --> 1:38:50.840 with all these casting directors. Booked very little from auditions, 1:38:50.880 --> 1:38:53.320 and that's whether I just wasn't good at auditions or 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:54.400 the theory. 1:38:54.120 --> 1:38:56.720 That I came up with later is like I'm not like, 1:38:57.360 --> 1:39:01.320 I'm not a specific type. I don't I'm not the obvious. 1:39:00.960 --> 1:39:04.040 Choice for anything in particular, but you can kind of 1:39:04.080 --> 1:39:05.240 plug me in anywhere. 1:39:05.280 --> 1:39:06.080 Does that make sense? 1:39:06.360 --> 1:39:06.679 Yeah? 1:39:06.720 --> 1:39:10.559 So what what happened a lot is that casting directors, 1:39:10.560 --> 1:39:13.800 when they were in a pinch would call me. And 1:39:13.840 --> 1:39:16.880 this is something that people don't understand, Like, you know, 1:39:16.960 --> 1:39:20.720 these shows are such a machine. You know sometimes they 1:39:20.800 --> 1:39:24.040 literally you know, you're working, You're filming an episode in 1:39:24.080 --> 1:39:27.479 eight days. You know, it's like working sixteen hours a 1:39:27.560 --> 1:39:29.760 day sometimes they literally go, oh fuck, we never cast 1:39:29.800 --> 1:39:33.680 that part and it shoots in three days. And in 1:39:33.720 --> 1:39:37.240 those cases, that's when casting would call somebody like me, 1:39:37.320 --> 1:39:39.479 just somebody that they know like can do the job, 1:39:40.240 --> 1:39:43.519 and they don't have time to audition. So that was 1:39:43.560 --> 1:39:46.519 the case here. So I got the call, they flew 1:39:46.560 --> 1:39:48.680 me out to New York. It's also possible maybe they 1:39:48.720 --> 1:39:50.680 tried to find someone locally in New York and then 1:39:51.280 --> 1:39:53.599 didn't find anybody they liked, and then you know, went 1:39:53.640 --> 1:39:54.400 to the roll with Decks. 1:39:54.800 --> 1:39:58.280 However that worked out, yeah, and then and that's that's 1:39:58.320 --> 1:39:58.720 basically it. 1:39:58.720 --> 1:40:01.479 And then they they flew me out and honestly, my 1:40:01.520 --> 1:40:05.640 first time meeting everyone was for the first rehearsal of 1:40:05.680 --> 1:40:06.719 the first scene that we. 1:40:06.640 --> 1:40:08.400 Did, which is when I, you know. 1:40:08.400 --> 1:40:11.360 Come into the precinct and go, excuse me, I filmed 1:40:11.880 --> 1:40:14.559 my friend getting killed my open scene. And that's like, 1:40:14.720 --> 1:40:16.880 I mean, that was like it was in the middle 1:40:16.880 --> 1:40:19.240 of it was like Mike cue when I came in. 1:40:19.320 --> 1:40:21.080 And then that's when I sort of we stopped the 1:40:21.120 --> 1:40:22.880 rehearsal for a second so I could shake everyone's hand 1:40:22.920 --> 1:40:25.280 and say hi, and then just continued the rehearsal because 1:40:25.280 --> 1:40:28.160 they moved so fast in TV it's crazy. 1:40:28.840 --> 1:40:31.600 Was your hair already like that sort of like shaggy 1:40:31.680 --> 1:40:35.320 skater boy thing or did they do that for you? 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:37.920 No, that was that was natural. That was that was 1:40:37.920 --> 1:40:38.559 the real deal. 1:40:40.320 --> 1:40:42.160 And maybe that was part of it too. Maybe they 1:40:42.160 --> 1:40:43.760 called my manager and was like, hey is he is 1:40:43.760 --> 1:40:44.519 he doing the shag? 1:40:44.560 --> 1:40:47.679 Look? Did he cut it? What's you know? We need shaggy? 1:40:48.920 --> 1:40:51.880 And being a fan of SVU, how did you feel 1:40:51.880 --> 1:40:53.720 when you found out you were going to flip out 1:40:53.760 --> 1:40:57.200 and core and confess on the stand, Like, what the fuck? 1:40:57.439 --> 1:41:00.000 That's like the that's like the coolest part you could get. 1:41:00.200 --> 1:41:04.760 I think, Oh, that's the dream, right, I mean, yeah, 1:41:04.800 --> 1:41:05.360 it's it's. 1:41:05.240 --> 1:41:09.519 So funny because, like you know, as an actor, obviously 1:41:09.560 --> 1:41:12.000 you're a fan of these things. That's why that's that's 1:41:12.040 --> 1:41:13.600 why you're an actor, because you want to be a 1:41:13.640 --> 1:41:16.040 part of these things that you love, and every now 1:41:16.080 --> 1:41:19.320 and then you get to do it. And yeah, it 1:41:19.400 --> 1:41:21.880 was such a great experience. I have, I mean a 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:23.639 couple of funny like the things. 1:41:23.400 --> 1:41:24.320 That I do remember. 1:41:24.880 --> 1:41:28.839 I remember at one point Belser, it was during the sequence, 1:41:28.880 --> 1:41:31.120 so it's like they have to shoot kind of b 1:41:31.400 --> 1:41:35.640 roll footage of Hey, look they're being interviewed while you know, 1:41:35.680 --> 1:41:39.040 Benson and Stable talk about Look, he's been like they 1:41:39.120 --> 1:41:40.800 talk about the case or whatever. But then you just 1:41:40.840 --> 1:41:43.519 sort of see on camera on being interviewed. So Belzer 1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:47.360 is interrogating me about the Kennedy assassination. He's accusing me 1:41:48.080 --> 1:41:51.000 of being on the Grassy Knoll and he's like, you know, 1:41:51.040 --> 1:41:53.040 and he's like a huge conspiracy guy, right, So he's 1:41:53.040 --> 1:41:56.360 getting into all of his theories about it. That was 1:41:56.400 --> 1:41:58.800 his like, we have to look like we're talking about something. 1:41:58.880 --> 1:42:01.519 So that's what that's probably a go to for him. 1:42:01.560 --> 1:42:02.960 I would imagine, Oh my. 1:42:03.000 --> 1:42:05.479 God, that's so funny. No one has told us that. 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:08.080 No one has told us yet, Like when you're doing 1:42:08.120 --> 1:42:10.240 like sort of fakey talk, what are you talking about? 1:42:10.320 --> 1:42:11.719 And that's really great. 1:42:11.840 --> 1:42:15.040 Well, if you're talking to Richard Belzer about Kennedy. 1:42:16.560 --> 1:42:19.120 How was working with Barry Bostwick as your lawyer? 1:42:19.600 --> 1:42:23.000 He was really cool. 1:42:23.080 --> 1:42:24.519 He was a good guy. Wrote. 1:42:24.760 --> 1:42:27.000 The thing that I remember about him is we were 1:42:27.040 --> 1:42:31.400 sort of talking about the formula of shows like this, 1:42:31.520 --> 1:42:33.160 and he had mentioned that at one point in the 1:42:33.200 --> 1:42:38.519 series he was developing this kind of like flirtatious sort 1:42:38.520 --> 1:42:41.559 of side story, subtle thing with one of the other lawyers, 1:42:42.320 --> 1:42:45.320 which sometimes can just happen naturally, like as. 1:42:45.240 --> 1:42:46.439 An actor, if you're an actor. 1:42:46.240 --> 1:42:48.439 You're performing with somebody else, like you sort of find 1:42:48.479 --> 1:42:51.400 things and that aren't necessarily on the page. And he 1:42:51.560 --> 1:42:53.960 was like, yeah, when that went to air, they took 1:42:53.960 --> 1:42:55.800 a hatchet to all that shit, Like they have no 1:42:56.960 --> 1:42:59.280 they have their formula, they have no time for. 1:43:00.160 --> 1:43:02.680 Personal development of any of these characters. It's just all 1:43:02.720 --> 1:43:03.519 about the story. 1:43:04.040 --> 1:43:07.559 That's kind of the tidbit that I remember from him. 1:43:08.040 --> 1:43:12.000 And then I remember the prosecutor and I'm oh, I'm 1:43:12.000 --> 1:43:13.679 gonna Diana. 1:43:13.720 --> 1:43:17.400 It's a named Diana, dian Neel Dianell, thank you, who 1:43:17.439 --> 1:43:19.200 is awesome. By the way, couldn't have been nicer. 1:43:19.960 --> 1:43:22.120 She gave me some really good advice when I was 1:43:22.160 --> 1:43:24.960 doing the weird sort of you know insecure, I mean, 1:43:25.000 --> 1:43:29.400 I need enough actor thing where she basically said, listen, 1:43:29.720 --> 1:43:32.320 in TV, it's never as good as you think it is, 1:43:32.320 --> 1:43:33.760 and it's never as bad as you think of it, 1:43:34.280 --> 1:43:36.439 and especially on a show like this, which is like 1:43:36.439 --> 1:43:39.280 like the actor's job on SVU is basically to just 1:43:39.320 --> 1:43:42.880 be like stepherds of this story, Like, it's not about us, 1:43:42.960 --> 1:43:44.960 you know what I mean. It's about these crazy fucking 1:43:45.040 --> 1:43:49.040 stories and we're just sort of there to like, I mean, 1:43:49.080 --> 1:43:51.720 we have a job to do to I guess bring 1:43:51.760 --> 1:43:53.519 our own sensibility to it or whatever. 1:43:53.560 --> 1:43:53.920 But it's not. 1:43:54.160 --> 1:43:56.200 It's you know, this is why I don't think to 1:43:56.520 --> 1:43:58.880 do a quick little side tangent. But I don't think 1:43:59.640 --> 1:44:02.559 criminal intent ever really works because Dnafria, as much as 1:44:02.600 --> 1:44:05.040 I love him as an actor, he made it about him, 1:44:05.080 --> 1:44:07.160 and it's like, dude, it's it's law and order. Bro, 1:44:07.600 --> 1:44:11.080 this ain't about you, right, Like, get out of the way. 1:44:11.120 --> 1:44:14.040 You don't have to be interesting. It's it's the stories 1:44:14.040 --> 1:44:16.480 are interesting enough anyway. 1:44:17.080 --> 1:44:19.600 Wow, love that insight. Thank you so much for that. 1:44:20.400 --> 1:44:24.799 I'm curious the Misty character. Was that her real voice? 1:44:24.800 --> 1:44:26.680 Did she put on a voice? What was up with that? 1:44:26.800 --> 1:44:26.960 Oh? 1:44:27.040 --> 1:44:31.400 No, that was that's the real deal. What mystery? Yeah? 1:44:31.560 --> 1:44:32.240 I knew her. 1:44:32.600 --> 1:44:36.479 She This industry is so incestuous, it's so funny. She 1:44:36.880 --> 1:44:42.000 was the daughter of a guy named Jim Hayman, who 1:44:42.120 --> 1:44:45.000 was the showrunner on a show called Joan of Arcadia. 1:44:45.520 --> 1:44:46.840 That what you were on? 1:44:47.360 --> 1:44:49.439 Yes, I was on for two years but you know 1:44:49.520 --> 1:44:54.200 Amber Tamblin, Joe Montagna, Jason Ritter, Mary Steambridge is like 1:44:54.240 --> 1:44:57.479 an incredible people. Yeah, so she had a little arc 1:44:57.560 --> 1:45:00.639 on that show, so I knew her from that, and 1:45:00.720 --> 1:45:03.240 oh no, that that's she was. She was perfectly cast 1:45:03.280 --> 1:45:06.120 in this role because that is that that's the that's 1:45:06.160 --> 1:45:07.439 the face, that's the voice. 1:45:07.800 --> 1:45:09.519 And I think she was. 1:45:09.520 --> 1:45:11.439 Like thirty five at the time when we shot that, 1:45:11.600 --> 1:45:13.559 so it was like, yeah, this. 1:45:13.920 --> 1:45:16.320 You couldn't hire anyone else better than Misty. 1:45:16.040 --> 1:45:17.720 For this amazing. 1:45:18.840 --> 1:45:21.760 So SVU fans were kind of lunatics, but I would 1:45:21.800 --> 1:45:25.639 assume the Twilight fandom is another level of yeadom. 1:45:26.479 --> 1:45:29.120 Do you get recognized a lot? Do are their teen 1:45:29.160 --> 1:45:32.160 girls chasing you down the streets? What is? Uh? 1:45:32.200 --> 1:45:33.439 What are the Twilight fans like? 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:36.200 Well, what's funny about that now is that a lot 1:45:36.240 --> 1:45:40.040 of those fans gotten older and are having kids of 1:45:40.040 --> 1:45:42.120 their own and are like passing the fandom down to 1:45:42.160 --> 1:45:43.040 their kids. 1:45:43.560 --> 1:45:45.160 So wow, it's. 1:45:45.040 --> 1:45:48.240 Like, you know, it's like the Matthew McConaughey thing of 1:45:48.320 --> 1:45:51.519 like I keep getting older, Twilight fans stay in the 1:45:51.560 --> 1:45:53.920 same age. I mean, it's still you know, and I'll 1:45:53.960 --> 1:45:57.200 still have encounters with you know, twelve thirteen, fourteen year 1:45:57.240 --> 1:45:59.840 old girls that that are like just as passionate about 1:45:59.880 --> 1:46:01.719 this thing is they were a decade ago. 1:46:02.640 --> 1:46:05.320 Yeah, so that's a really that's a pretty. 1:46:04.960 --> 1:46:06.559 Awesome thing to be a part of it. I mean, listen, 1:46:07.200 --> 1:46:08.880 you know, it ain't like it was. I mean, there 1:46:08.920 --> 1:46:11.920 was a period there for a good five years that 1:46:12.080 --> 1:46:15.360 was absolutely insane. I don't think it affected my sort 1:46:15.400 --> 1:46:17.559 of day to day life. But when I got to 1:46:17.600 --> 1:46:20.599 be a part of like you know, all right, we're 1:46:20.640 --> 1:46:22.840 gonna fly you guys to Paris and you're going to 1:46:22.920 --> 1:46:25.439 do this thing in front of you know whatever it 1:46:25.520 --> 1:46:27.439 is six eight thousand, I mean. 1:46:27.479 --> 1:46:29.559 Like it's pretty intense. I mean it was. 1:46:29.720 --> 1:46:34.760 That was definitely my biggest connection to I don't know, 1:46:34.800 --> 1:46:37.160 something that was that prevalent in the in the in 1:46:37.200 --> 1:46:40.280 the pop culture zeitgeist at the. 1:46:40.200 --> 1:46:41.000 Time, you know what I mean. 1:46:41.080 --> 1:46:44.320 Like I've never I've never quite had another experience like 1:46:44.400 --> 1:46:47.920 that one, and I'm ultimately very grateful for it. It was 1:46:47.960 --> 1:46:50.759 really I have nothing bad to say about that experience. 1:46:51.200 --> 1:46:54.040 Yeah, I mean I did social media for MTV for 1:46:54.360 --> 1:46:56.320 like that time period for a little while. 1:46:56.479 --> 1:46:57.639 Oh yeah, and like we. 1:46:57.600 --> 1:46:59.720 Would do interviews with towilet people, and I just had 1:46:59.760 --> 1:47:03.080 to with the fans, like forgot what they were called. 1:47:03.120 --> 1:47:05.800 It wasn't Twyhard's. It was like something else, but like 1:47:06.040 --> 1:47:10.320 there was like the Twilighters, the twilighters hashtag twilighters. They 1:47:10.360 --> 1:47:14.200 were just like rabbit Like I can only imagine me 1:47:14.360 --> 1:47:16.320 as like dealing with them from behind a computer and 1:47:16.360 --> 1:47:18.000 you dealing with them in real life. I just must 1:47:18.040 --> 1:47:20.720 have been like a different a different experience, but a 1:47:20.800 --> 1:47:22.640 legendary franchise to be a part of. 1:47:23.240 --> 1:47:23.760 Yeah, it was. 1:47:23.800 --> 1:47:26.479 It was. I mean it was like I think three 1:47:26.520 --> 1:47:28.639 out of our four movies were top ten on Netflix 1:47:28.680 --> 1:47:32.080 this week, so I mean it's still it's still going. 1:47:32.720 --> 1:47:32.960 Yeah. 1:47:33.000 --> 1:47:34.640 The other thing, by the way, if you want to 1:47:34.640 --> 1:47:38.040 hear the lamest brag in the history of brags, we do, 1:47:38.280 --> 1:47:41.760 I invented the term twyhard. I know it didn't quite 1:47:41.800 --> 1:47:43.000 take off like Twilighters. 1:47:43.840 --> 1:47:45.720 I didn't mean to diss your hashtags. 1:47:48.160 --> 1:47:50.200 Oh no, please, I feel free. 1:47:50.479 --> 1:47:50.559 No. 1:47:50.640 --> 1:47:51.639 And it wasn't even. 1:47:51.479 --> 1:47:53.000 Like something I intended to do. 1:47:53.080 --> 1:47:55.640 I was I was doing like a blog at the 1:47:55.680 --> 1:48:00.000 time or something, and it was literally just a throwaway. 1:48:00.040 --> 1:48:02.760 It was just like I said, you know, hardcore Twilight fans, 1:48:02.840 --> 1:48:04.760 or as I call them, twy hard's, and then it 1:48:04.840 --> 1:48:07.000 just sort of took off. And then of course it 1:48:07.040 --> 1:48:10.120 became as everything does a competition, like well you a 1:48:10.160 --> 1:48:15.679 twy lighter or twy hard And then and I will 1:48:15.720 --> 1:48:19.280 say too, if I'm not mistaken, there's the other side 1:48:19.280 --> 1:48:20.680 of it, which is and I believe it was on 1:48:20.720 --> 1:48:24.000 an MTV website, so I'm not blaming you for. 1:48:23.960 --> 1:48:27.360 This, but I didn't do it. 1:48:27.439 --> 1:48:29.960 But it was also my first experience of like the 1:48:30.880 --> 1:48:36.799 meat grinder, of being sort of dissected on the internet 1:48:37.040 --> 1:48:39.640 right where I you know what it was. 1:48:39.680 --> 1:48:42.920 It was like it was a photo of me and 1:48:42.960 --> 1:48:44.679 then and that guy Boogoo and then. 1:48:44.600 --> 1:48:49.240 One other person I don't remember at Wango Tango or 1:48:49.280 --> 1:48:53.519 some something like that, and and I it was either 1:48:53.560 --> 1:48:55.760 on I think it. I honestly think it was an 1:48:55.840 --> 1:49:00.879 MTV website, but then the comments below it. 1:48:59.720 --> 1:49:01.280 I just I went down the rabbit hole and. 1:49:01.240 --> 1:49:06.679 It was just people picking me apart, like piece by piece, 1:49:08.200 --> 1:49:12.120 just like everything. You can imagine his oh, his his 1:49:12.240 --> 1:49:15.200 hair sucks, his teeth are too small, his nose is this, 1:49:15.360 --> 1:49:16.600 And I was and I couldn't. 1:49:16.280 --> 1:49:17.040 And I couldn't stop. 1:49:17.080 --> 1:49:19.040 I mean, after it was my first time experiencing this, 1:49:19.120 --> 1:49:21.360 I was like, well, let's see how far this thing goes. 1:49:21.840 --> 1:49:23.479 And after a while it became it was like every 1:49:23.520 --> 1:49:26.240 comment was just saying how shitty. 1:49:25.920 --> 1:49:30.240 I eat am and look and all the things. 1:49:31.840 --> 1:49:34.320 And then so, dude, I'm telling you, man like, I 1:49:34.360 --> 1:49:37.360 got a very very very very very very modest. 1:49:37.400 --> 1:49:40.479 Taste of what that was like. 1:49:40.600 --> 1:49:44.519 And boy, that that once a certain level of fame 1:49:44.600 --> 1:49:47.160 and and't for the faint to heart. I'll tell you 1:49:47.200 --> 1:49:50.719 that because you know, if you're sensitive at all, which 1:49:50.840 --> 1:49:54.120 I mean as someone who is a creative person, I 1:49:54.160 --> 1:49:57.480 don't know how you could do that without being sensitive. 1:49:58.840 --> 1:50:01.240 You know, it's u You just got to learn to 1:50:01.280 --> 1:50:03.840 compartmentalize that stuff. I guess I never did because I 1:50:03.880 --> 1:50:06.120 didn't experience enough of it, so when it did happen, 1:50:06.120 --> 1:50:09.360 I would just go down the rabbit hole, just more 1:50:09.439 --> 1:50:11.160 bid curiosity more than anything else. 1:50:11.400 --> 1:50:15.360 Yeah. No, I never read comments. Yeah, stay out of 1:50:15.400 --> 1:50:19.000 the comments section. Who says that, RuPaul? Somebody says, stay 1:50:19.000 --> 1:50:19.880 out of the comments section? 1:50:20.040 --> 1:50:21.760 Well, what other people think about you is none of 1:50:21.760 --> 1:50:25.120 your business, is what that just says? We noticed you 1:50:25.160 --> 1:50:29.519 were a sports fan on the internet. What athlete would 1:50:29.520 --> 1:50:31.240 you love to see guest star on SVU? 1:50:32.000 --> 1:50:34.960 Ooh, what athlete would I love to see guest star 1:50:35.640 --> 1:50:36.000 with you? 1:50:36.800 --> 1:50:39.920 Because famously athletes are not the best actors. But I'm sure, 1:50:41.240 --> 1:50:43.479 I'm sure there's somebody you have in mind that is 1:50:44.360 --> 1:50:45.719 could at least find a body. 1:50:45.800 --> 1:50:48.360 I don't know, Well, if there have been athletes, we've 1:50:48.360 --> 1:50:51.400 had Chris Bosh, Rick Fox. 1:50:51.120 --> 1:50:53.040 Has been on. I don't even know that. 1:50:53.120 --> 1:50:57.280 Oh yeah, Mike Tyson, Oh Tyson, Yeah, Mike Tyson was good. 1:50:57.760 --> 1:51:00.160 You know what I think would just be fun visual 1:51:00.720 --> 1:51:02.840 is one of these basketball. 1:51:02.400 --> 1:51:05.320 Players, somebody like like Anthony Davis or. 1:51:05.320 --> 1:51:07.120 Joel Embi, just to see them sitting in one of 1:51:07.120 --> 1:51:08.719 those little chairs behind the desk. 1:51:10.360 --> 1:51:11.479 I've seen these guys up close. 1:51:11.720 --> 1:51:15.759 Anthony Davis looks like he's standing on top of another 1:51:15.880 --> 1:51:18.719 really tall man. Like it doesn't it doesn't look natural, 1:51:18.800 --> 1:51:20.800 like people are not supposed to look like that. 1:51:21.960 --> 1:51:23.639 It looks uncomfortable quite frankly. 1:51:24.120 --> 1:51:27.000 Yeah, Joel EMBII is the biggest thing I've ever seen 1:51:27.000 --> 1:51:31.280 in my life, human or otherwise. So yeah, somebody like that, 1:51:31.439 --> 1:51:34.600 just purely for the size, and then and then the 1:51:34.640 --> 1:51:35.520 deep voice. 1:51:35.280 --> 1:51:39.559 Too, because and the eyebrows. Anthony Davis's eyebrows deserve to 1:51:39.560 --> 1:51:40.320 be honest. 1:51:40.160 --> 1:51:43.920 You absolutely, you would for sure be able to work 1:51:43.960 --> 1:51:45.120 that into the story somehow. 1:51:45.360 --> 1:51:47.800 Kara's impressed that. I'm so impressed. I'm like, I don't 1:51:47.800 --> 1:51:49.640 even know who this is. I'm just imagining a very 1:51:49.680 --> 1:51:52.360 tall basketball player sitting behind an interrogation desk and that's 1:51:52.400 --> 1:51:54.200 it doing it for me. But you guys, are you 1:51:54.520 --> 1:51:55.400 actually know who he is? 1:51:55.479 --> 1:51:55.719 Wow? 1:51:56.920 --> 1:51:57.599 I'm sure I. 1:51:57.520 --> 1:52:00.360 Should have some some questions about his eyebrow be like 1:52:00.400 --> 1:52:02.760 a whole scene is just trying to. 1:52:02.680 --> 1:52:05.080 Figure out how the eyebrows. 1:52:04.640 --> 1:52:10.120 Got like that. Oh my gosh. He was so nice. 1:52:10.720 --> 1:52:13.280 So it's nice to meet somebody who has been working 1:52:13.320 --> 1:52:15.160 since they were a child and isn't messed up. And 1:52:15.200 --> 1:52:18.200 he's not messed up. He's cool or he's hiding it. Well, 1:52:18.280 --> 1:52:20.200 you know, we don't know what's going on in there 1:52:20.320 --> 1:52:22.960 or in that interview. He made us to think he 1:52:23.040 --> 1:52:26.160 was a totally normal dad. And we do want to 1:52:26.200 --> 1:52:29.000 mention that he has a Western movie coming out soon 1:52:29.080 --> 1:52:32.439 with the with the Legend Bruce Dern playing his father. 1:52:32.720 --> 1:52:35.760 So the title has not been released yet, but keep 1:52:35.760 --> 1:52:38.080 an eye out. Follow Michael on his social and check 1:52:38.080 --> 1:52:39.639 out that movie when it comes out, because that sounds 1:52:40.200 --> 1:52:41.840 I don't know, that sounds like Oscar bait to me. 1:52:41.920 --> 1:52:44.639 Anything with Bruce Dern that's a Western. But what did 1:52:44.640 --> 1:52:47.639 we learn on today's episode. I don't know. Some people 1:52:47.680 --> 1:52:49.880 feel free smacking each other with light tubes. 1:52:51.120 --> 1:52:53.280 Yeah, trying to get arrested with light tubes. 1:52:54.200 --> 1:52:55.760 I was gonna say. I learned that I really want 1:52:55.760 --> 1:52:56.360 to dress. 1:52:56.200 --> 1:52:58.679 Up like an old granny and visit a funeral. That's 1:52:58.680 --> 1:53:02.200 what I learned. Oh, and then you got to write 1:53:02.200 --> 1:53:04.559 a treatment for a movie makes the money. That's what 1:53:04.880 --> 1:53:08.479 I learned. Yeah, I like funeral games. I guess that's 1:53:08.720 --> 1:53:10.360 something I'm into just learning. 1:53:10.479 --> 1:53:14.439 Yeah, I mean, I think we learned that just when 1:53:14.479 --> 1:53:17.600 we think we know the depths of people's trauma, it 1:53:17.640 --> 1:53:21.439 can go a level deeper. So it's just you never 1:53:21.479 --> 1:53:24.559 know where people are coming from. I guess. But uh, yeah, 1:53:24.560 --> 1:53:26.920 And we definitely learned that high school algebra is fucking 1:53:26.920 --> 1:53:29.120 impossible to pass, even if you've taken it ten times. 1:53:29.320 --> 1:53:31.599 Also, girl, all you had to do was not show 1:53:31.680 --> 1:53:34.040 up to court and like bother Diane Neal, you know 1:53:34.080 --> 1:53:36.719 what I mean. Everyone could have just lived there, happy, 1:53:37.000 --> 1:53:38.479 you know, not the dead in. 1:53:38.520 --> 1:53:39.240 The TV show. 1:53:39.320 --> 1:53:42.880 Yeah, yeah, No, in the real life, lock up every uncle. 1:53:43.200 --> 1:53:46.160 I guess yeah, I've learned, lock up the uncles. They're 1:53:46.160 --> 1:53:47.960 doing a shady shit. When have you ever heard of 1:53:48.000 --> 1:53:49.200 an uncle doing a good job. 1:53:49.360 --> 1:53:53.000 Never. My brother Colin and my brother David are their 1:53:53.040 --> 1:53:55.400 great uncles. My brother Kevin has not been around my 1:53:55.439 --> 1:53:57.519 kids very much, but my brother those two brothers have 1:53:57.600 --> 1:54:00.240 been great uncles. It would be funny if I was 1:54:00.240 --> 1:54:03.400 fully serious. No, I know. My sister's marrying a guy 1:54:03.479 --> 1:54:08.000 named Tom and my dad my mom calls him tea 1:54:08.040 --> 1:54:11.360 dog because she's a dork, and Rosie calls him Uncle 1:54:11.400 --> 1:54:13.760 tea Dog. And she's obsessed with Uncle tea Dog. Like 1:54:13.800 --> 1:54:16.479 she literally is like, would I'll be putting her to bed, 1:54:16.479 --> 1:54:19.240 She'll be like, Uncle tea Dog didn't feel good because 1:54:19.240 --> 1:54:21.280 he like had a stomach ache one time two months ago. 1:54:21.439 --> 1:54:23.800 Like she loves talking about Uncle tea Dog, So there's 1:54:23.840 --> 1:54:25.639 good Uncle. I thought this was going to go into 1:54:25.720 --> 1:54:27.040 an Uncle Tom discussion. 1:54:27.840 --> 1:54:32.200 Oh, but I said that to him. I was like, 1:54:32.400 --> 1:54:33.880 it's kind of fun that we're calling you Uncle tea 1:54:33.880 --> 1:54:35.920 dog because Uncle Tom is awkward, right, And he was like, 1:54:35.960 --> 1:54:38.160 why and I was like, well, cauz, you know, like 1:54:38.640 --> 1:54:42.040 the Uncle Tom's cabin. And he was like yeah, but 1:54:42.240 --> 1:54:44.000 and I was like, I mean, we can definitely call 1:54:44.040 --> 1:54:46.520 you Uncle Tom, I guess, but you can't. 1:54:48.000 --> 1:54:51.560 You cannot be screaming, you know, a great America screaming 1:54:51.640 --> 1:54:52.960 Uncle Tom get over here. 1:54:54.520 --> 1:54:58.120 You can't see that Uncle Tommy. Tea dog for life 1:54:58.200 --> 1:55:00.000 is what? Yeah, it's gonna have to be tea dog. 1:55:02.840 --> 1:55:03.720 What else do you learn? 1:55:03.800 --> 1:55:06.600 I guess it's easy to just lie to people if 1:55:06.600 --> 1:55:09.960 you believe it enough, join a school, get foster carried. 1:55:10.160 --> 1:55:12.480 I mean, I don't know, the world's your oyster. It 1:55:12.520 --> 1:55:14.160 seems like a fun time being a liar. 1:55:14.440 --> 1:55:16.960 You can get anything you want. Yeah, it's so well 1:55:17.040 --> 1:55:19.440 because it's like, if she had not hired those two 1:55:19.560 --> 1:55:23.520 separate lawyers, she really would have gotten a Social Security 1:55:23.520 --> 1:55:25.600 and she would just be She would have gotten away 1:55:25.640 --> 1:55:26.520 with it the perfect. 1:55:26.600 --> 1:55:28.640 It makes me terrified because I'm out there trying to 1:55:28.680 --> 1:55:30.840 meet somebody, and what if I meet one of these 1:55:30.920 --> 1:55:33.600 lunatics that are just you. 1:55:33.560 --> 1:55:35.000 Know, fake social security. 1:55:35.920 --> 1:55:38.160 Well, because there's you know, I'm on BuzzFeed a lot 1:55:38.160 --> 1:55:42.320 because I'm not really a reader, and I go through 1:55:42.320 --> 1:55:45.280 the lists, and there was something about like many people 1:55:45.320 --> 1:55:49.440 will confess to murder on their deathbed to medical professionals. 1:55:50.080 --> 1:55:52.360 Really yeah, I think they're like dying and they're just 1:55:52.400 --> 1:55:54.560 like BT dubs, I killed some people. 1:55:56.280 --> 1:55:57.160 Wow. 1:55:57.760 --> 1:56:00.000 Yeah, I guess secrets do come out on your deathbed. 1:56:00.440 --> 1:56:00.600 Well. 1:56:00.640 --> 1:56:03.280 I mean there's that famous Brian Dunny the episode of SVU, 1:56:03.400 --> 1:56:05.840 but it took a full, full forty five minute episode 1:56:05.840 --> 1:56:07.360 for him to confide I know me, I'm aloney. 1:56:07.400 --> 1:56:09.680 I had to like squeeze the oxygen right or is 1:56:09.720 --> 1:56:11.760 that to someone else? He had to play little games 1:56:11.760 --> 1:56:17.080 with the tubes totally. But are we just are we 1:56:17.160 --> 1:56:20.280 just having problems making connections because your birthday was recently? 1:56:20.360 --> 1:56:22.440 I might yeah, I don't know, because it's just like, 1:56:22.440 --> 1:56:24.880 oh I forgot. I don't know if they want to know. Listen, 1:56:25.000 --> 1:56:28.760 I did whippets and I love it. So we learned 1:56:28.800 --> 1:56:31.280 that yesterday. So that's also something we learned from this 1:56:31.360 --> 1:56:34.360 week's So maybe I will have permanent brain damage, but 1:56:34.520 --> 1:56:37.320 I do. I did love my evening of whippits and 1:56:37.440 --> 1:56:39.160 I was like, do you feel stupid or today? 1:56:39.200 --> 1:56:40.440 She was like, I don't know, but I did them 1:56:40.480 --> 1:56:41.520 for hours. 1:56:43.520 --> 1:56:45.240 Only my first time and I don't think I'm going 1:56:45.280 --> 1:56:47.240 to do it again until New Year's. But I think 1:56:47.280 --> 1:56:49.360 I'm going to do a whippet new Year's is what 1:56:49.440 --> 1:56:50.080 I'm thinking. 1:56:50.960 --> 1:56:51.280 Nice. 1:56:52.000 --> 1:56:54.480 This is not a condoning or anything like that. But 1:56:54.640 --> 1:56:57.320 it was fucking awesome, guys. But I am struggling to 1:56:57.320 --> 1:56:59.720 make connections. And I did listen to this episode not 1:56:59.800 --> 1:57:02.480 even an hour ago, the whole the whole thing. 1:57:02.560 --> 1:57:04.640 I listened. I mean I played some backgammon of course 1:57:04.640 --> 1:57:05.600 while I listened. 1:57:06.160 --> 1:57:09.400 Well, I think, yeah, are we trying to convince our audience, 1:57:09.400 --> 1:57:12.520 our audience that we're recording this all in one shot? 1:57:12.600 --> 1:57:13.320 Maybe we cut this. 1:57:13.480 --> 1:57:16.000 I don't know, No, I'm just trying to explain to them, 1:57:16.040 --> 1:57:19.480 like clearly we learned more things from like backyard, I 1:57:19.680 --> 1:57:22.960 learned about the femoral artery. How about that? Oh yeah, 1:57:23.000 --> 1:57:25.600 that's a pretty big one. Yeah, that's a big lesson 1:57:25.640 --> 1:57:27.880 to learn. If I ever need to kill someone, I 1:57:27.920 --> 1:57:30.880 know what's up. Get at that fucking upper thigh. 1:57:30.920 --> 1:57:31.400 Baby. 1:57:31.840 --> 1:57:33.480 Yeah, I bet if you could stick, Like if someone 1:57:33.600 --> 1:57:34.760 texts you if you stick. 1:57:34.520 --> 1:57:37.000 Your key in their femeral artery, I'll yeah. But you 1:57:37.160 --> 1:57:40.040 really gotta fucking have a sharp key, and you gotta 1:57:40.080 --> 1:57:41.320 know where that artery is. 1:57:42.880 --> 1:57:45.000 It's kind of like when people think they can like 1:57:45.040 --> 1:57:47.400 fight a shark, and it's like you can barely punch 1:57:47.440 --> 1:57:51.080 a person, you know, like in the water, you're. 1:57:50.960 --> 1:57:52.640 Gonna punch a shark in the face. 1:57:53.000 --> 1:57:54.000 Yeah. 1:57:54.680 --> 1:57:57.640 I just think in emergencies they'll figure it out. I 1:57:57.640 --> 1:58:00.120 couldn't handle it. So when I was in Denver, a 1:58:00.120 --> 1:58:03.560 woman that has seen better days did throw a glass 1:58:03.600 --> 1:58:06.560 bottle at my feet and try to fight me. And 1:58:06.640 --> 1:58:09.920 I just stood there frozen, like someone had to defend 1:58:09.920 --> 1:58:11.480 my honor and get in front of me and help me, 1:58:11.520 --> 1:58:13.800 because I just like she, I would have stood there 1:58:13.840 --> 1:58:14.840 she beat me for hours. 1:58:14.840 --> 1:58:15.840 I don't know what I would have done. 1:58:16.200 --> 1:58:19.520 Ah. Yeah, I asked Lisa, how is Denver last weekend? 1:58:19.840 --> 1:58:20.240 Pretty good? 1:58:20.320 --> 1:58:20.800 Pretty good? 1:58:21.000 --> 1:58:23.200 I hear nothing else. Two hours later, she goes, oh, yeah, 1:58:23.200 --> 1:58:25.840 this woman did come at me throw a bottle at 1:58:25.880 --> 1:58:27.960 my feet. Someone had to come to my rescue. I'm like, 1:58:28.000 --> 1:58:31.400 this is what I asked for two hours ago. It 1:58:31.480 --> 1:58:34.440 was very funny detail to leave out of your weekend. Yeah. 1:58:34.440 --> 1:58:36.520 I was just like, listen, I ate cold spaghetti, and 1:58:36.560 --> 1:58:40.400 I talked to great comedians and floated in a pool. 1:58:40.440 --> 1:58:42.880 But yeah, I did forget that I was fully attacked. 1:58:43.000 --> 1:58:48.440 In the street. All right, Well, that woman had seen 1:58:48.480 --> 1:58:50.280 better day. She probably could have used a sister Peg 1:58:50.280 --> 1:58:53.000 in her life. And that seamlessly segues us into our 1:58:53.040 --> 1:58:56.200 next segment, What would Sister Peg Do? Our weekly segment 1:58:56.240 --> 1:59:00.280 where we give you an organization, a book, an article, goal, 1:59:00.400 --> 1:59:03.320 some kind of resource where you can donate or simply 1:59:03.440 --> 1:59:07.040 learn more about a subject that we tackled in today's episode. 1:59:07.080 --> 1:59:10.360 This week, we are choosing to highlight an organization called 1:59:10.400 --> 1:59:14.840 Together We Rise. It's www dot Together Weerise dot org. 1:59:15.760 --> 1:59:17.840 The vision of Together We Rise is to improve the 1:59:17.840 --> 1:59:20.960 lives of children in foster care who often find themselves 1:59:21.040 --> 1:59:24.560 forgotten and neglected by the public. I will mention also 1:59:24.760 --> 1:59:27.320 that the fostercare system now does go till twenty one, 1:59:27.360 --> 1:59:29.760 at least in the state of California. You can use 1:59:29.760 --> 1:59:32.480 the system until twenty one, probably because of issues like 1:59:32.520 --> 1:59:35.040 what happened with Treva or what happened with the girl 1:59:35.080 --> 1:59:38.920 in the episode, because at eighteen, most people don't know 1:59:38.960 --> 1:59:41.200 what the hell's going on, so to just be dumped 1:59:41.240 --> 1:59:43.680 out of the foster care system was not working for 1:59:43.760 --> 1:59:49.520 many kids. So that's good but this organization collaborates with individuals, companies, 1:59:49.520 --> 1:59:53.440 community partners, foster agencies, costa advocates like myself and more 1:59:53.520 --> 1:59:56.720 to bring resources to foster youth and use service learning 1:59:56.720 --> 2:00:00.480 activities to educate volunteers on issues surrounding the fostercare system. 2:00:00.680 --> 2:00:03.400 So for initiatives and ways to donate, ways to partner, 2:00:03.880 --> 2:00:06.120 and more resources, go to their website Together we Rise 2:00:06.160 --> 2:00:06.760 dot org. 2:00:07.400 --> 2:00:10.600 Thank you so much for that, Kara, and next week 2:00:10.880 --> 2:00:15.000 join us and watch Downloaded Child. That's what we'll be 2:00:15.040 --> 2:00:20.400 covering season fifteen, episode nineteen, so we'll get a Littlemorrow 2:00:20.440 --> 2:00:21.800 action which. 2:00:21.560 --> 2:00:23.920 Will be nice for me. 2:00:24.680 --> 2:00:29.120 Hulu, Peacock, the Internet, your VPNs, figure it out, guys, 2:00:29.640 --> 2:00:30.160 and good love. 2:00:31.200 --> 2:00:34.280 Thank you for listening, Thanks so much, see you next week. 2:00:34.320 --> 2:00:44.960 Bye bye. 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