1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: What is that the updates? You're doing an update? 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: You got it, buddy? 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Is he's doing an update? You provide us with the 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: news to you're a newsman. It's good music, it is. 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 3: You're doing this just for the music, aring you. Yes, 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 3: there's an urgency to this music. 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: How long is the ben? 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: Forty eight more seconds? 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, panther. 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 3: Sam Bennett wins the con Smythe after an NHL high 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 3: fifteen goals. Good time to get hot the being Bennett 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: brinks back it up the breaks truck. 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: We can't be that lazy. We're just gonna say breaks. 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark scored twenty points in an eighty eight seventy 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 3: one fever win over the. 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: Connecticut Sun in twenty seconds. 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: This, seeing Caitlyn Clark stands for chippy. Things are get 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: chippy out there with her ed. Finally, Scotland has four 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty one words for snow. You know what 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: they say, is he if you have four hundred and 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 3: twenty one words for snow, you don't have one? 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: Wow? Landed it at the zeros. You are, I'm a pro. Yes, 23 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: we can keep it. 24 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 4: If they wanted to get the news music keeping going continuing, 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 4: We've got breaking news from the elbow Room. 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: Excuse me, the elbow Room. 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, where the Florida Panthers are celebrating with the Stanley Cup. 28 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 4: It's already damaged. It's got a very significant little chip 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 4: in it right there. When Antonine Londell was holding it up, 30 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 4: you could see it. 31 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: Good thing. This is like the party cup, right, this 32 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: is the actual cup. So listen. 33 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 3: They put that cup in the ocean last year, right, 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: and they're gonna do it again this year. Yeah, if 35 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: they haven't already, right, So what's going on at the 36 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: elbow Room, So there's de Listen. The elbow Room is 37 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 3: already damaged, okay, from years upon years upon years of 38 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: people doing cocaine at that bourne, all right, So I 39 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: don't want to hear that it's damage for the Stanley up. 40 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: The elbow Room is getting the most promotion. 41 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: Remember Dwayne Wade was sitting at Prime one twelve when Lebron. 42 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: Made that decision. Yes, that's the kind of marketing right 43 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: now that elbow Room is getting. 44 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: Elbow Room has no reason to be getting the national 45 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: pub that they're getting. 46 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 4: Right, if we get like a Category five hurricane in 47 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 4: Fort Lauderdale, and it just blows up all of Fort Lauderdale. 48 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 4: The Elbow room. We'll be standing there and about three 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 4: people in there. We'll be wasted and just have ridden 50 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 4: that hurricane. 51 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: It will be the last building standing in Miami. 52 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 4: I'm glad you mentioned Dwayne Wade. Yeah, I need to 53 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 4: issue an apology. 54 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, gonna walk something back. Yeah, we had a 55 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: cordless mic. I would make you walk backwards while doing. 56 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 4: That would be great, That would be great, Like, you 57 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 4: can't turn around, right, so just walk backward. 58 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: Let's work on that. I need to I need to 59 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: walk something back. 60 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 4: I said, I told something, told you guys something on 61 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 4: this pod that I mentioned on Oddball with Amino Hessen 62 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 4: where I that I would take It was sort of 63 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 4: like an elevator game, right where you're in the elevator 64 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: with somebody and then the elevator opens and there's somebody 65 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 4: in that floor and you decide whether you want to 66 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 4: stay with the guy in your elevator or take the 67 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 4: guy that's waiting for the elevator. And so I was 68 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 4: in the elevator with Shaye Guild just Alexander. It's a 69 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 4: nice time. I mean, he's not the most interesting person 70 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 4: in the world. But it was a nice little elevator 71 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 4: chat and we opened the door two thousand and now 72 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 4: and Iverson was in there. I stayed with Shae a 73 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 4: little dicey, but I stayed with Shae. And then another 74 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 4: floor two thousand and six, Dwayne Wade. Yeah, and I 75 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 4: stuck with Shae Gil just Alexander did. And I need 76 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: to apologize. I was so surprised when man I was. 77 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 4: I was like, so, my I should have absolutely kicked 78 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 4: Shaye out and brought Dwayne back in. And it's not 79 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: a Homer thing. It's not because I was covering the 80 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 4: team for the Miami Herald at the time and probably 81 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: wrote the best game story of all of them. 82 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: But are you claiming you wrote the best game story 83 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 3: to that game? Oh yeah, it's no question, but better 84 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: than Greg Cody's. 85 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 4: He wasn't a game story. Greg Cody probably wrote a 86 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: column that day, not a game story. So I'm sorry 87 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 4: you're talking about comparing mine to like Cirah Winderman's of 88 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: the world. 89 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: What was Greg Cody's headline this morning for the Panthers. 90 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know what the headline was, but 91 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: the group chat says that he came up with another 92 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 4: great oiler's nickname? 93 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: What was it? Leon? No title? The best Greg God? Yeah, 94 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: but what that's why he's the best? Well? 95 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway back to your games, So you know this 96 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: whole situation right where you're watching something and like I'm 97 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 4: old enough to just be like I feel like maybe 98 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 4: I'm getting old where I think everything in the past 99 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 4: was better than it is now. Yeah, and some watching 100 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 4: shake Gildas Alexander, I'm just like, I don't know, man, 101 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: Like I think Dwayne Wade against this competition with these teammates, 102 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 4: oh six, Dwayne Wade would be okay, But then I'm like, 103 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 4: he never won an MVP, right, he was like in 104 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 4: six he had Shack next to him, so there was 105 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 4: at least a distraction for the defenses. 106 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: It wasn't prime Shack though, Let's be clear, correct, correct, 107 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: Like Wade was the clear number one on that team. 108 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 4: Right, But then like I started thinking, well, oh six, 109 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: Dwayne Wade wasn't quite eight oh nine Dwayne Wade, and 110 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 4: that Dwayne Wade finished top three in MVP and maybe 111 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 4: could have been MVP if if Lebron James didn't exist. 112 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 4: But Shay did win an MVP. He won an MVP 113 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 4: over the Joker, which had had crazy numbers, and so, like, 114 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 4: I just went with the statistics and everything else and 115 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 4: the trophies, but you really got to go back and 116 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 4: look what Dayne Wade did in those playoffs, right, and like, 117 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: so even just the player there is he I know, 118 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 4: I know it was wild, right, even just the playoffs, 119 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 4: Like Shaye has him on numbers like Shay average thirty 120 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 4: point four or is averaging in these playoffs thirty four 121 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 4: point four points, six point five assists, five point four rebounds. 122 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: That's crazy numbers. 123 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 4: And Dwayne throughout the two thousand and six playoffs didn't 124 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 4: have those numbers exactly. 125 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: He was pretty good. 126 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 4: He had twenty eight point four five point seven assists 127 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 4: and so okay, So in that case, you could say, 128 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 4: during this playoff run, yes, Shay has been more let's say, 129 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 4: unstoppable than Dwayne was at that time. You could argue, 130 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: even though it's only a couple of points, okay, But 131 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: then you get to the finals and you would imagine 132 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 4: greater competition, right, higher pressure, et cetera. And in these finals, 133 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 4: even though Shay, and this is where I got caught 134 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 4: up in the air, even though Shae his first two games, 135 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 4: the highest point total of any player in his finals 136 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: debut over the first two games. If you would go 137 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 4: out through averages, Shay Alexander in these finals is giving you. 138 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: Hang on. I'm right here. 139 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 4: Thirty two point four points right, four point six rebounds, yes, 140 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 4: five assists, two point four steals, and one point eight blocks. 141 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: That's crazy good. 142 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 3: And he had the big fourth quartered on the road. 143 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: They needed it in a big spot, and he saved 144 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 3: the series. 145 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: Right. 146 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 4: But Dwayne not only had better numbers in his finals. 147 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 4: It was thirty four point seven points, seven point eight rebounds, 148 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 4: three point eight assists, two point seven steals. But look 149 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: who Shay has played next to him. Jalen Williams, who 150 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 4: just scored forty. Jalen Williams, who's averaging twenty six and. 151 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: Six, who he gave a standing ovation to in my 152 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: living room. Abby didn't know what the hell was going on. 153 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: You thought it was weird. 154 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: I'll give you two guesses as to who the second 155 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: leading scorer for the Miami Heat was in the NBA Finals. 156 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: Alright, so it's not going to be Shack. 157 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: Okay, that's not one of your guesses, then yes, I'll 158 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 4: eliminate that he was not it. 159 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: He was close, but he was not it. 160 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: So this is the six NBA Finals. Second leading scorer 161 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: on that team. 162 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 4: Wow, Mario Chalmers did not exist in the NBA yet. 163 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: Really, he was still like Kansas. 164 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 4: He graduated k I think he left Kansas. He beat 165 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: Kansas beat Memphis in that eight eight final four, so yeah, 166 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 4: he was Philly Kansas, probably his freshman year. 167 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, christ Douglas Robers a padr Rio. I'll give 168 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: you some names. You want some names that were on 169 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: the team. Yeah, because I don't remember that team. Lonzo 170 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: Morning was on that team. Was not name, it was 171 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: not has James Posey. James Posey, that's my guy who James. 172 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 4: Let me finished the list, okay finished. Jason Williams was 173 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 4: on that team. Antoine Walker was on that team. 174 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: On it was Antwine? Was it really Swan Walker? 175 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 4: Thirteen point eight points a game, wow, second, and then 176 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: Shaq was third with thirteen point seven. So that's that's 177 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 4: a gap of twenty one twenty one points between the 178 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 4: first and second leading scorer, which means Dwayne Wade was 179 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 4: more head of the Snake, more man than Shake Gilds 180 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 4: Alexander was the man. Then Shake Gildes Alexander was in 181 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 4: these finals so far. He has been in these finals 182 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 4: so far, and obviously he's let Halliburton except for the 183 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 4: one game, let Halliburton take over that clutch, you know 184 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 4: Jane situation. 185 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: He's been the biggest star of these playoffs. Halliburton has right, 186 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 3: and I do most Wade would have allowed that to happen. 187 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 4: And so yeah, I just have to issue to two 188 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 4: thousand and six Dwayne Wade specifically, I apologize my man. 189 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: That was just caught up in the moment. 190 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 4: And the other thing is is like you know it 191 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 4: when you see it, right, Like I'm just gonna stop 192 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 4: doubting myself because like Shae Gilldess, Alexander is a great post. 193 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: I forget the guy's name. I'm not gonna be able 194 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 4: to find it. But he said that his friend told 195 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 4: him that Shay Gildas Alexander was like if Dwayne Wade, 196 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 4: or if like LaMarcus Aldridge was Dwayne Wade. 197 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: And I don't really know what. 198 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 4: That means, but I understand it because he does everything 199 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: Dwayne Wade does, but he stops at the mid range. 200 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,599 Speaker 4: He doesn't go to I mean, he gets to the 201 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 4: rim sometimes, but he doesn't dunk over people. He doesn't 202 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: do the athletic stuff. And yeah, I just feel like 203 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: if Dwayne Wade in two thousand and six was on 204 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 4: this Thunder team with this collection of talent around him, 205 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 4: you could give you forty if you really wanted to. 206 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: What happened here was you got swept up in the 207 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: analytics when you just kind of sometimes you just have 208 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: to trust the eye test. 209 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you so well. 210 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 4: But the MVP trophy is what really got me because 211 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 4: it's like, Dwayne Wade was amazing in two thousand and eight, 212 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 4: two thousand and nine, that's where he got the h 213 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 4: this is my house game and all that stuff, and 214 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: he was still third in m VP, and yet Shay 215 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 4: won an MVP in the Western Conference as a point guard. 216 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 4: And I just got caught up in that and really 217 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 4: didn't sort of appreciate what Dwayne did in US. 218 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 3: In a strange world, if O six Wade was playing 219 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 3: at the same time as twenty twenty five. 220 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: SGA, who would win the MVP. 221 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: I think it would be like the ARA and the 222 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 3: finals MVP and he dunk on somebody. 223 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 4: Not only there's that, but three point line wasn't respected 224 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 4: as much in O six correct, So Dwayne Wade had 225 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 4: to work against collapsing defenses and players that were already 226 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 4: in the Painton trying to defend Shack and Zoe. And 227 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 4: so he did all that without the luxury of a 228 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 4: reliable three point shot man. And he did all that 229 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 4: in the time of prime Lebron James, who will go 230 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 4: down as the greatest or second greatest player of all time, 231 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 4: stories to second greatest player of all time, and he 232 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 4: was right there comparable with him. So is it more 233 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 4: impressive to be, you know, in that MVP conversation in 234 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 4: the Lebron era or in the Nicola jokicch air. I 235 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 4: think historically it's probably gonna be more so in the 236 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 4: Lebron era. 237 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: I'm with Taylor on the eye test. I look at 238 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: him both play, and Dwayne Wade's a better player. Yeah, 239 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: he's more fun to watch to watch the watch I 240 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: mean he is. I mean Dwayne Wade is it all timer. 241 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 3: I don't think anyone is viewing SGA as at all timer. 242 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 4: Yet, But that's that's the see And this is exactly 243 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 4: where I got caught up. 244 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: Because the range to his game that I'm telling you 245 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: this factors into it. I've been saying it for a while. 246 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: The fact that SGA is doing this mid range jumper 247 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: by mid range jumper two points at a time, not 248 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: dunking on anyone. 249 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: It works against him. 250 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 3: He's a great player, there's no denying it, but it 251 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: works against him. 252 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: So like if all things. 253 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: Are even, Wade and Sga, you're gonna take the guy 254 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 3: with some flesh, some pizzazz, WoT I. 255 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 4: Well, the thing is is like s gets to his 256 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 4: unstoppable spot more than better than anybody really and then 257 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: just keeps going there like you don't need to change 258 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 4: it if it keeps working. Like there was more variety 259 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 4: in what Dwayne did. There was you know, less predictability. 260 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 4: And it's too SGA's credit to be honest, if you're 261 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 4: that predictable, If you know where his spot is, he's 262 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 4: still going to get there and get that shot off 263 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 4: and make it. 264 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: You know the time, you know. 265 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: Where he's trying to go, and he's still getting to 266 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 3: the place he's trying to go right. 267 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: And so that's where I feel like I got caught up. 268 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 4: But then I said to myself, you know what, Dwayne 269 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 4: could just get anywhere like his crossover. His right to 270 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 4: left crossover was just probably the best in the game 271 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 4: for a good amount of time. 272 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: Left guys in the dust. 273 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 4: And I think of like Dwayne Wade O six Dwayne 274 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 4: Wade against the Andrew Nemhards of the world. 275 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: No offense, but the and no no no. What he 276 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: did there, and he did it purposely. Is he picked 277 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: the perfect name, Nemo. 278 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 4: Hard Like back in Dwayne's day, those were the the 279 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 4: Keith Bogans of the world. 280 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: Right, he left those guys in the dust. He left 281 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: those guys on the ground. 282 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 4: And yeah, I completely for that half an hour podcast recording, 283 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 4: completely lost my mind. 284 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry. Two six Dwayne Wade, you walked it back. 285 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: I was spending so many plates earlier when is he 286 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: started this segment, I thought you were actually in an 287 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: elevator with SG and I was like, where is the. 288 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 4: Most famous person you've been in an elevator with? Oh, 289 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 4: I've got two? One of them was I mean, this 290 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 4: was before when he was president of the ESPN. It 291 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 4: was John Skipper, But then in twenty sixteen, I was 292 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: in an elevator with Spike Lee in Chicago, So that's 293 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 4: probably currently the most famous I mean unless you count, 294 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 4: like I don't count people that I work with, Like 295 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 4: NBA people can't count. 296 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: Right, did you have a conversation with Spike then that 297 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: mean Skipper does? Yeah, we did. 298 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 4: We had a conversation. He recognized me eventually once I 299 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 4: said his name. There was only four of us in 300 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 4: the elevator and we took a picture. 301 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: It was nice. What just happened with Skipp there? Well, 302 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: I just said that. 303 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 4: I just said that NBA people don't count because it's 304 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 4: not people I work with. But then Skipper was somebody 305 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 4: that worked with, so he can't count either. 306 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: Because you've been in an elevator, I'm assuming with Doris Burke, 307 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 3: with Mike Breen, with Jeff fang Gundhy, with Mark Jackson, 308 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 3: with everyone. 309 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: Who's covered the NBM. 310 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't really count, especially if they don't 311 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 4: remember they were I was in there. 312 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 3: Is there someone where if you're rushing to get into 313 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: the elevator and that person is in the elevator already, 314 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: you'll wait. 315 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: For the next one. Wow, I mean there's plenty of people. 316 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: Mine's Dan. Why are you shrinking? 317 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 4: I mean to be fair, like nobody nobody wants to 318 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 4: be asked what your worst moment in life was every 319 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 4: single time. 320 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: Right, It's like, we're just in an elevator, bro, put 321 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: you on the couch. Theres no couch in the elevator. 322 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: What do you want me to do? So you walked 323 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: it back? Do you feel better? I do? 324 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 4: I do, because I'm still seeing like alerts on my 325 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 4: phone that people comment on that one post on on 326 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 4: Instagram and they live with you forever. Yeah, it's like, 327 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I I can just walk that one back immediately. 328 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 4: But actually I'm a little bit apologetic to a Froby 329 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: eight Kobe because I took Shay Gilders Alexander over him too, 330 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 4: and while he wasn't the fully formed Kobe, he was 331 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 4: still Kobe bleeping Bryant, and so yeah, I gotta walk 332 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: that one back too, all right, But I'm not that 333 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: apologetic to. 334 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: Him, No, all right. Game six is coming up tomorrow. 335 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: It's exciting. 336 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: I think the Pacers have a fascinating decision to make 337 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: here because as a head coach, your job is to 338 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: give your team the best chance to it, and I'm 339 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: not certain Halliburton playing as many minutes as he played 340 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 3: last game, especially with the injuries. Of course, this is 341 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: why we're bringing it up. Is giving your team the 342 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: best chance to what a basketball game? 343 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? No? I think it's right. 344 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 4: I think if you look at it in terms of 345 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: him not being at one hundred percent, never even never 346 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 4: mind the risk for further injury, just the fact that 347 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 4: he's not one hundred percent, and you know that he 348 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 4: has never been your like shot creator for himself. He's 349 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 4: not somebody that just takes over the game that way. 350 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: I think you can still trust your offense without him 351 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 4: in there. I think you can still trust that they 352 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 4: can get the ball to Pascal Siakam, especially on mismatches, 353 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 4: but just in general because that would be where they look. 354 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 4: And then your boy man TJ McConnell, like, you got 355 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 4: to be able to trust him. I do believe that 356 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 4: you can play him, not exhaust him, Like I don't 357 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 4: want to send him to the hospital like Matthew Dellavedova 358 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 4: covering Steph Curry. But I do think if you increase 359 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 4: his minutes and then when he's not in there, maybe 360 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 4: just a hodgepod where you don't need a true true 361 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 4: point guard there. I think you can pull that off, 362 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 4: especially if you're just going to make life a little 363 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 4: bit more defensively, you know, aggravating for SGA if you 364 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 4: can do that. But I think Halburn's gonna give it 365 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 4: a go, and as long as he doesn't have a 366 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 4: significant injury, he's probably gonna get at least his twenty minutes. 367 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 3: You know, I was thinking about this for the NBA, 368 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 3: just like viewing it through their prism having a Pacers 369 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 3: OKC final, And I don't care what anyone, anyone in 370 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: the NBA says to me, that's not the finals they want. 371 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: They don't want these teams to be the two best 372 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: teams in the NBA. But Oklahoma City is a team 373 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 3: that's not going away anytime soon. They're going to be 374 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: much like the Florida Panthers down here. This is a 375 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 3: team and no one wants the Panthers to be the 376 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: best team in hockey. Okay, but just like that, the 377 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: Thunder are good. They're young, they have an MVP who's 378 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: not even approached his prime yet, and they have a 379 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: great get. They know how to run a basketball team. 380 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 3: They know how to replace players. Once those players get 381 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: past their prime, they let them go. They get new ones. Right, 382 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 3: okayse is not going anywhere anytime soon. I'm not certain 383 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: that's a good recipe for the NBA. 384 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: No, well, it isn't. A couple of ways one. 385 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 4: By the way, I also don't think the Pacers are 386 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 4: going anywhere anytime soon. But what the Thunder doing, I 387 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 4: don't know. If you remember when Brian Windhorst said going 388 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 4: into the playoffs, nobody's afraid of the Oklahoma City Thunder. 389 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: I still think that is true, right, even though they 390 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 4: won these games these series and have gotten to the 391 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 4: finals and have the lead here. I don't think there's 392 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 4: anybody that says to themselves, you know, with our loaded roster, 393 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 4: everybody healthy, we're afraid of Okace. I even think the 394 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 4: Golden State Warriors, if they would have had Steph Curry 395 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 4: and faced Okac, would have felt fine facing them. And 396 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: So what that does, assuming Thunder continue and win this championship, 397 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: is it makes every other big name out there think, oh, 398 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 4: we can win it next year. Like the Philadelphia seventy 399 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 4: six ers can convince themselves, not only because of a 400 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 4: weaker East and they have time to sort of find 401 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 4: their way again with whoever is in that roster around 402 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 4: Joel Embiid, but the Calves can say, hey, yeah, we 403 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 4: screwed up, but we're still tough. Boston can tell you 404 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 4: that we're still gonna be good without Jason Tatum, and 405 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 4: so yeah, I think it makes everybody believe that they 406 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 4: can win it, and so they're gonna put pressure on 407 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 4: their GM. They're gonna put pressure on guys to be like, hey, 408 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 4: let's put this team together and. 409 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: Try to get this chip because the league's up for grabs. 410 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 3: Right, what'd you make a Desmond Vain, by the way, 411 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 3: go into the Magic five? 412 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: Was it? Five first round picks for our first round pick? 413 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 3: So Michale Bridges in the last In the last year 414 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: and a half, we've had Mikhale Bridges traded to the 415 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: Knicks for five first round picks. Nick still don't have 416 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 3: a head coach, by the way, and Desmond Bane, it 417 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: was a good player, a great players at. 418 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: All Star team, hasn't made an All NBA team. Yeah, 419 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: but he does something they sorely need, which is hit receps. 420 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: Well I need those. 421 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: But Desmond Bane four first round picks to the Magic, 422 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: and I think the Magic are kind of seeing it 423 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 3: the way you just kind of described it. In the East, 424 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: there is a window for any team to make it 425 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 3: to the NBA Finals. How the Pacers are there? Why 426 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 3: not the Orlando Magic until they make that deal. 427 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 4: Well, the Magic are you know, in desperate need of shooting, right, 428 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 4: That's what was their downfall this season. But they had 429 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 4: a very specific identity. It was defense. It was just 430 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 4: suffocate you and just be athletic and you know, offensively 431 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 4: not traditional like the way we're playing right now, but 432 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 4: just you know, do whatever they have to do. But 433 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 4: they needed shooting. They got rid of KCP, he is 434 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 4: a shooter, and Cole Anthony who was a defensive wizard, 435 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 4: and KCP also great on defense. And you bringing a 436 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 4: guy in Desmond Baine who, yes he can shoot, but 437 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 4: he's not just a spacer. You're not bringing him in 438 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 4: just to be a spot up guy. Like he needs 439 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 4: to create for you. 440 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: He needs to create. 441 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 4: And he's okay at that. He's never been great at that, 442 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 4: he's okay at that. And then this is the part 443 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 4: that maybe laugh about the trade words. Jeff Weltman. I 444 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 4: believe he is the president of Basketball Ops Orlando. 445 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: Yep, wealthy, he said. Everybody calls him wealthy. 446 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 4: He said of Desmond Bane, the guy is almost the 447 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 4: player you would design if you could start from scratch. 448 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,479 Speaker 1: Really, that word almost is doing a lot of work, right, 449 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: let me hear that quote again. 450 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 4: The guy is almost a player you would design if 451 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,239 Speaker 4: you could start from scratch. If you're playing two K, 452 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 4: you get your perfect build and then you just like 453 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 4: shorten his arms a bunch and he's almost because that's like, 454 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 4: that's the one thing people know about Desmond Bane. 455 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: He's the rare NBA player whose wingspan is shorter than 456 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: his hype. 457 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 4: And I don't know if you know about you know, 458 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 4: biology or physiology and all that stuff, but your wingspan 459 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 4: to be on average as tall as you are. That's 460 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 4: why the really tall wings, really long wingspans is crazy 461 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 4: because it's just like wow, and he's got a short 462 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 4: he's got the dinosaur arms right, And that's not the 463 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 4: perfect player. Like that's the opposite of what you would 464 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 4: tell you said almost almost, But that's a big I 465 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 4: think when. 466 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: You go there, you just have to commit to it. 467 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess he got caught up in the air 468 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 4: a lot like I did with those six Waight. 469 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: We all know that person would be Michael Jordan. 470 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 4: So I mean, Lebron's a pretty good person in terms 471 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 4: of a template. 472 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: Michael, Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean might be. 473 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: If you're gonna make a basketball player from scratch and 474 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 3: you want him to look the part, it would VICTI well, 475 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: Michael Jordan was showing Kemp. 476 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: I think, right, wow, the rain Man. It's pretty good. 477 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 2: If you were drafting the players from traits that they 478 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: have Jordan's intangibles one one, they're going, you're rushing that 479 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: in hold on, I have a draft. 480 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: You just wanted to play that day. 481 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're racing to hand that card in Jordan's and 482 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 2: Tangible's won one. 483 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: Hit the thing again, the pick is in wait. 484 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 3: So if you are just basing it on physical traits, 485 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 3: if you were to make a basketball player from scratch, 486 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: who it's almost Desmond bait. 487 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: Who would be the perfect basketball It has to be MJ. Though. 488 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 4: I mean it could be a couple inches taller than MJ. 489 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 4: But he is the kind of prototype, long arms and legs. 490 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 4: Drant might be two scap Have you seen his feet? No, 491 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 4: oh my god, they're like hockey sticks. Really they look 492 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 4: like I mean, they looked like it were way too 493 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 4: long and you can just snap them at any time. 494 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: One of his toes caught him a trip to the 495 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: NBA finals, right, too long? Short those bad boys up, 496 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: too long. 497 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 4: He's the conference semi finals, actually getting a pedicure and 498 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 4: just can just shorten them up a little bit there, 499 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 4: a little long. 500 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: So what are you thinking, like Kobe? Kobe's kind of 501 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: like Michael in that mode, right sixty six. 502 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 4: I think the perfect basketball players is probably six eight 503 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 4: six y nine long arm. Uh you know, I don't 504 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 4: there's something about calves. I don't know this, but if 505 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 4: you can look at them and tell like the perfect 506 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 4: calves for jumping, and they would have that as well. 507 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: But it's certainly not like Desmond Bayne with. 508 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 4: All the people talk about his biceps, but it's really 509 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 4: triceeps and shoulders. That guy's like popping out the triteps 510 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 4: here to shoulders. Like I talked to, uh, the Dylan 511 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 4: Brooks about him one day and he was just like, yeah, man, 512 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 4: that guy just like lives in the gym and nobody 513 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 4: can compete with him. And yeah, that's his best trip, 514 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 4: it's his best attribute. But it's certainly not a perfect basketball. 515 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 3: How about Scottie Pippen slightly taller than Jordan's, skinnier, he 516 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 3: was like six seven six', eight BECAUSE i think six 517 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: y six is the perfect hyph for. 518 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: Best you, Know i'm not just saying that Because michael 519 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: was six, Six. 520 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 4: NO i THINK i Think lebron's deceiving because he's so 521 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 4: muscular that he doesn't look as long and you, know 522 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 4: as as he really, Is. 523 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: And SO i think IT'S i think it's Probably. Lebron 524 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: it's probably al, Though Sean kemp is a crazy poll for. 525 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: You it really is one of the guys Because michael 526 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 3: was playing who was never fortunate to win a, championship 527 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 3: Because michael prevented an entire your generation Of hall Of 528 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 3: fame basketball players from winning. 529 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: Championships you Mentioned. 530 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: Antoine walker before we're celebrating a championship down, here The 531 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: Panthers Stanley. Cup do you Remember Antoine walker after The 532 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 3: heat won THE nba title in six how many days? 533 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 3: Straight he partied In Las. 534 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: VEGAS i remember here called those from a blackjack. TABLE 535 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: i remember hearing of it and that. TEAM i remember 536 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: when they won. 537 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 4: IT i was, like this is going to be crazy 538 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 4: amounts of celebration because the people on that team that 539 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 4: never thought they would like be an integral part of 540 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 4: a championship or other people didn't think they would be 541 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 4: an integral part of a championship And Awan Walker Jason, Williams, yes, 542 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 4: like come, On Jason williams is a championship point. 543 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: Guard that's. Insane and WHEN i got in there Because Dwayne, wade, Right. 544 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 4: Donnis haslam, undrafted had to lose all that, WEIGHT i 545 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 4: got into that locker room And Jason, WILLIAMS i think 546 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 4: just didn't really understand that that was a journalist at the, 547 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 4: moment and. 548 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: Just like is he and he just starts pouring. 549 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 4: BEER i wish it was, champagne but just beer on 550 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 4: top of both me AND i had MY i electronic 551 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 4: recording device AND i was, like, man this thing is. Shot, 552 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 4: Right i'm, screwed and probably my most important GAME i 553 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 4: can't use this. ANYMORE i got to start writing. Everything, 554 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 4: wait so this is. 555 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 3: Interesting how is a journalist supposed to act when he 556 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 3: is in the middle of a. 557 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: Celebration you have to embrace the, celebration. 558 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 3: Right put down the, pen put down the, paper put 559 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 3: down all of, it and just enjoy the. 560 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: Celebration, YEAH i don't think you. Can first of, ALL 561 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: i got, work like you got work. 562 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 4: To, Do and there's like celebrating, there and at the 563 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 4: TIME i remember wearing like a shirt and tie and 564 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 4: everywhere a shirt and tie of, games and then like 565 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 4: that was just so. COAD i don't THINK i could 566 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 4: Wear the tie was just, wasted and even the PAPER 567 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 4: i was writing on was, wet and so LIKE i 568 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 4: remember having to go after, that going to talk to. 569 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 4: You Donnis haslim was over there crying and telling this 570 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 4: really emotional story and writing on wet paper and being, like, 571 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 4: Damn i'm gonna have to like remember most of these 572 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 4: quotes because it's not it was you can't, party you can't. 573 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 4: Party but then plus you look. 574 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: RIDICULOUS i, mean you're you care about, journalism SO i 575 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: MEAN i care. 576 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 4: About my job journalism in. GENERAL i do care about, 577 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 4: it But i'm not like holding it up on my. 578 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 4: Own what Was cody's selling for Dry Side, leon that's a. 579 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 4: Journalist taylor has a game for? 580 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: You is? 581 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 3: He thank you for coming in again? TODAY i have 582 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 3: a feeling it's the same game as last. 583 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: Week you guessed. It It's izzy or isn't? He so 584 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: he landed on that Not israel his or is? Not 585 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: you know it could, right but It's. 586 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: Izzy oh isn't? 587 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 4: HE i invented the, game so it's on me kind 588 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 4: of like good tierras or bad. 589 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: Tierras but, anyway is here that It's taylor's. 590 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 2: GAME i was listening to The Bill simmons podcast and 591 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 2: he Said Desmond bean is a top thirty five to 592 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 2: forty three player in the, league is he or isn't? 593 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 3: He when he has him slotted in at thirty five 594 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: to forty three. 595 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: On the, Spot, wow he said thirty five to forty. 596 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 4: Three that INITIALLY i would say that that's Crazy matt 597 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 4: to try to break down real, quick but we can do. 598 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 4: This there's only twenty four players in The All star, rosters, 599 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 4: Right he's one of. 600 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: Them so he's outside the top twenty, five, okay and then. 601 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 5: In the next, eleven, Right and so if you can 602 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 5: think of five or six guys that are probably in 603 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 5: that same, neighborhood like never really made An All star 604 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 5: game and made One All star gamer better than, HIM 605 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 5: i think he's right there in that. 606 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 4: NEIGHBORHOOD i think that was bang on by Mister. Simmons it's, easy, 607 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 4: okay all? 608 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: Right? 609 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: Good and the last one for today up there just two, 610 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 2: yeah just. Too there's a lot of questions where do 611 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: The grizzlies go from here once they Trade Desmond Bain 612 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: John moran? Overrated is he or isn't he? 613 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 4: Overrated, well let's see How John moran just thought Of 614 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 4: LIKE i think, currently he's thought of as the lead 615 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 4: guy who is probably not that durable, right probably won't 616 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 4: be able to get you through four rounds of the 617 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 4: playoffs without getting. Hurt SO i don't think he's overrated 618 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 4: in that. SENSE i think people think he needs a 619 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 4: stronger number two Because bain wasn't bad And Jaron Jackson junior. 620 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: Might not be That bain was almost that he. Was 621 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: he was almost that thirty five for. 622 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 4: SURE i do not THINK i would say isn't HE 623 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 4: i don't think he is. OVERRATED i think he is 624 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 4: properly rated. NOW i think that time off that he 625 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 4: had from that suspension and then this year where he 626 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 4: was basically kind of from inside, information kind of playing 627 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 4: whenever the hell he wanted, to and not a great 628 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 4: locker room. Guy SO i think that has knocked his, 629 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 4: value at least within the league and probably even within. 630 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 4: FANS i would say he is properly raided at the. 631 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: Moment all, Right so is that an is he or that's? 632 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: An isn't? He? Isn't rated? Over what was the H 633 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: where Did simmons have him slotted? In what was the range? 634 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 3: There thirty five to forty? THREE i Get simmons on next. Week, 635 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: OKAY i want to know who number forty four. WAS 636 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 3: i need to know who. 637 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: Number four is? 638 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: It, also Get John moranton only uh so we could 639 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: play jaw or? 640 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: Nah yeah you like? That? 641 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 3: Right Get John moranton and get. It could chuck, on, 642 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 3: Okay ednie could Chuck i'll take ANY i have a. 643 00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: Number you want a number for a? 644 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: Couch all? RIGHT i have a. Number are you gonna 645 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: try to get him? On are you gonna be? 646 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: Scared taylor is very scared to call. Guests is he 647 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: LIKE i have all these? Numbers i'm afraid to give 648 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: him the. Tailor he's gonna abuse. Him he's gonna ask people. 649 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 3: Information he's gonna do what a youngster gods would have 650 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 3: done with these very same numbers THAT i. 651 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 4: Have i'm trying to imagine a conversation where he actually 652 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 4: gets Jah moran to pick up the phone and it's 653 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 4: just him And Jahn mouran chopping it. Up Jah, NAH 654 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 4: i hope you know stuff about. 655 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: Guns