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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrio, Ohio. This is Cleveland Brown Staley brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Balley Beck. Coming soon to Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bow Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zigura. Oh, let's two alive on a Monday edition.

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Speaker 1: The Gang's back together, merely Bow the great Zee. How

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Speaker 1: you living, buddy, Well last I'm thrilled to be back

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Speaker 1: with you. They'll be back around my family. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: it's called Paradise Valley for a reason because it is.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. I had a great trip out there. A

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Speaker 1: big shout out to the cluck, the kid Sims, who

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Speaker 1: just actually did a nice deal and got his guy,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones, highest paid slot corner in NFL history. There

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Speaker 1: you go, going back to the Patriots on a two

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Speaker 1: year deal. It's a good job, Sims. But it was great,

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Speaker 1: unbelievable trip, believable whether Yeah, some of the best golf

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Speaker 1: course I've ever played. A couple of my favorites that

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Speaker 1: I've ever played. Yeah, out at Troon Um we played Grayhawk,

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Speaker 1: which is where the NCAA Men's and women's area there

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Speaker 1: are championships have been twenty one, twenty two, and twenty three.

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Speaker 1: We actually played two groups behind some of the ladies

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Speaker 1: from Georgia getting ready for like all the college kids

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Speaker 1: are coming out for practice rounds. It was awesome. So

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Speaker 1: it's just a gig to play like power five golf. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty good gig. Like I was just saying,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be good. I'm not suggesting you don't. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, like the notion of like I never under

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Speaker 1: I never would if you if you didn't tell me that,

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Speaker 1: I would not know that like the men's or women's

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Speaker 1: golf team from filling the blank SEC Big ten wherever

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Speaker 1: school would just take a trip to Arizona to practice

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Speaker 1: rounds like that. Quite honestly, that that that that does

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Speaker 1: the best job of anything that I've heard in the

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Speaker 1: last two months on explaining what's wrong with the NC

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Speaker 1: doable A. This is a non revenue sport. In fact,

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Speaker 1: this sport is in the red. Golf's in the red

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Speaker 1: in every way. And no, no, no, this has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with you or the golf course or anything.

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Speaker 1: The notion that you would take money out of pocket

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Speaker 1: against your budget to send a golf team to Arizona

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Speaker 1: to play practice rounds is wild to me. And that's

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Speaker 1: when they think about that model, Like they have so

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Speaker 1: much money that comes in through football and basketball and

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Speaker 1: they have to spread it out to everybody else to

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Speaker 1: make it work. And for because of that, they can't

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Speaker 1: call football and basketball what it is, which is revenue

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Speaker 1: generating professional minor league sports. They can't call it that,

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Speaker 1: so they have to spend it everywhere else. And that's

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Speaker 1: an example of it. That's why I said it's a

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Speaker 1: great gig, like because of right now they get budgets

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Speaker 1: as if they are making money. But even when I

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Speaker 1: was at like Emery, Yeah, we would go before like

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Speaker 1: a big tournament and go play practice rounds on a

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Speaker 1: plane across the country. It was in the area you

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Speaker 1: drove that we did a lot of busting. Sure yeah

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Speaker 1: that's different. Yeah yeah, but that's also Emery versus guess

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Speaker 1: what the Emery golf team in the Georgia off team

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Speaker 1: make the exact same amount of money. For sure, not

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Speaker 1: some things are lost leaders nothing so except for football

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Speaker 1: and men's basket. I would imagine though that at some

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Speaker 1: on television as a throw in. It's pretty good TV.

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Speaker 1: You take. That's how it works. What is that? Do

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Speaker 1: you have something going on in construction? I think, oh,

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Speaker 1: it scared me. I thought it was maybe an alarm.

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Speaker 1: felt like there was an alarm in the building. But

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Speaker 1: You know. We're stinues to get louder by the day.

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Speaker 1: a lot of deals already, none involving us in terms

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Speaker 1: didn't see anything else. Was there anything I missed? For us. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: from Mary Kay who will join us at two o'clock.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Mary Cale joins it too. That's good. John

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Speaker 1: the Shaun Watson restructure. That was the big news this morning,

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Speaker 1: converting the ball of the forty six million dollars base

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Speaker 1: I'm glad she's joining us at too. The only Taki

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Speaker 1: that's coming up next. So we'll get to the some

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Speaker 1: blueprint for today for Abe, Well, I think obviously we

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Speaker 1: quarterback news Jared Stidham signing a two year, ten million

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Speaker 1: And eventually, because it looked like the cap member of

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Speaker 1: And I understand it when it's I think the other

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Speaker 1: So it's just a it's just a cap economics basically,

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Speaker 1: So it opens up thirty millions. So his twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: behind only Davante Adams, you have been a godsend for

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Speaker 1: your quarterback out of the backfield. You're the leading pass

427
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Speaker 1: catcher amongst running backs since you have started. You have

428
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Speaker 1: produced the last two years sixteen one hundred total yards.

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Speaker 1: You have produced thirty eight total touchdowns and they won't

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Speaker 1: give you a contract because he plays running back? Now,

431
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Speaker 1: why did I raise my hand? Why am I? Does

432
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Speaker 1: this make me nervous? If I'm the Bengals, Yep, I'm

433
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Speaker 1: moving on from Joe Mixon at this point. And I

434
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Speaker 1: would welcome Austin Eckler. You're gonna go play man all

435
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Speaker 1: over the place and then leave Eckler one on one everywhere,

436
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Speaker 1: and they run a run scheme that suits his skills better.

437
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Speaker 1: I would be terrified about that. So I'd rather have

438
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Speaker 1: him stay with the Chargers and not go. Don't you

439
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Speaker 1: talk like that, Ricky Bobby to the Bengals. That would

440
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Speaker 1: be they're just alard people making that's one of those

441
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Speaker 1: Supposedly it's a would rather not have him go to

442
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Speaker 1: the AFC. I don't I'm not in our division. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well same the other thing. Don't try to will back.

444
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying. I'm trying to unwill it. Maybe talk

445
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Speaker 1: about it, it it won't happen. But they threw to their

446
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Speaker 1: backs the third most in the league. Yeah, and they

447
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Speaker 1: could add the best receiving back in the league. Yeah,

448
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: why did the charges? You won't pay this guy? I

449
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 1: mean he is such a stud for them. Well, and

450
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Speaker 1: He's beyond just a standard. He's so much more than

451
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Speaker 1: a standard running back. I mean he's a receiver, right,

452
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Speaker 1: It's what he is. The last two years, one hundred

453
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Speaker 1: and seventy seven catches, fourteen hundred yards, thirteen touchdowns just

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Speaker 1: as a receiver, eighteen hundred yards and twenty five touchdowns

455
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Speaker 1: as a runner four and a half yards a carry. Amazing.

456
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Speaker 1: We mentioned Theeland being released by the Vikings over the

457
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Speaker 1: weekend as well. The Eagles have given Darius Slave permission

458
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Speaker 1: to seek a trade. Eagles have a lot going on.

459
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Speaker 1: Brandon Graham is staying with the Eagles. I saw Jason

460
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Speaker 1: Kelsey announcing as well that he's coming back for one

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Speaker 1: more year. The Dolphins of a formed quarterback to a

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Speaker 1: tongue valo. They're picking up his fifth year option. But still,

463
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Speaker 1: that's a I don't know. It doesn't feel like you'd

464
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Speaker 1: put all with the roster that they have, that you'd

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Speaker 1: put all of your eggs in that basket with Tua

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Speaker 1: in his health, That's what I'm saying. It seems crazy

467
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Speaker 1: to me that you would do that, and I don't

468
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Speaker 1: they don't sense me as crazy people. We mentioned Baker

469
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Speaker 1: Mayfield potentially being a target for the Buccaneers Jacoby Brissette

470
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Speaker 1: also potentially as well. You know, it's interesting like Bake.

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Speaker 1: I could see Baker like you think about what he

472
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Speaker 1: did in Carolina last year, Like he's a raw, raw

473
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Speaker 1: guy and he gets you to believe in camp. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he did that in Carolina. That's how he won the job.

475
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Speaker 1: And then it used to go to and then it

476
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Speaker 1: starts to sort itself out. I wonder if he's away

477
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Speaker 1: for like people in Tampa to like get them to

478
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Speaker 1: believe a little bit in what they're doing. And then

479
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know they're trying to tank.

480
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Speaker 1: They're gonna be one of the worst teams. Next year

481
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: is a year to tank. Yeah, so they'll be one

482
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: of the worst teams anyway. So kind of a it's

483
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: kind of perfect in that role for both of those needs. Um,

484
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: the Raiders and Texans. I saw this as well. Easy, easy, look,

485
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Speaker 1: it's an emergence Charles Robinson sending out an emergency alert

486
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Speaker 1: system from the government for the forty nine ers defense

487
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Speaker 1: as an accidentally something that that's where that was. Yeah, So, um,

488
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Speaker 1: the Raiders interest in Jimmy Garoppolo, the Houston Texans interested

489
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Speaker 1: in Jimmy Garoppolo, Perny and rapid mentor and also in

490
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Speaker 1: be like, if you're going to draft the kid from Florida, right,

491
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Speaker 1: you know you're gonna a Bridge Garoppolo for a couple

492
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Speaker 1: of years there. Um, the Texans really blew it by

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Speaker 1: beating Indie. It's really that simple. They blew it as

494
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Speaker 1: big as they went from controlling the draft to not um.

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00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: They did sign Robert Woods two years, fifteen million on that.

496
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Speaker 1: We're all waiting on Rogers. He said it won't be

497
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: long before he makes his decision about his future. Stay tuned.

498
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Speaker 1: During an interview with Brandon Marshall on his I Am

499
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Speaker 1: Athlete podcast, it's either Jets are done. But very clearly

500
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Speaker 1: like Murphy's comments from last week in Green Bay, he

501
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Speaker 1: has no interest in bringing him back. They have none.

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Speaker 1: So it's just a matter of a does he play

503
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Speaker 1: for the Jets or does he play nowhere? Just so

504
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: just do it, yeah, pick whichever one you want. Devin

505
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Speaker 1: mccordy announcing his retirement after thirteen seasons on Friday as well,

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Speaker 1: and now the Bears pull the deal at number one.

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Speaker 1: So this happened on Friday. They deal in number one

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Speaker 1: overall pick to the Panthers in exchange for DJ Moore,

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Speaker 1: which helps the Bears a in that he's a damn

510
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Speaker 1: fine receiver. B they had a salary floor they had

511
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Speaker 1: to get to, and he's making twenty millions, so now

512
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: they can spend the twenty million and give it to him.

513
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Speaker 1: They had somebody get money to. They get the ninth

514
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Speaker 1: overall pick in exchange in addition to a second round selection.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't think that that's right. It's ninth overall.

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Speaker 1: It's sixty one, so that would be ye sixty one

517
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Speaker 1: this year, yeah, and then first rounder from them next year,

518
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Speaker 1: and then a second rounder in twenty twenty five. Now,

519
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Speaker 1: the first rounder in twenty twenty four is the best,

520
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: so even if the Panthers pick up another one, it's there.

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Speaker 1: It's the best of the two picks they would have

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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty four pick. So that I love

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Speaker 1: this hell of a hall for the Bears. I love

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Speaker 1: this deal. Yeah. I thought it was a great, great,

525
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: great deal for the Bears. Loved it. Dj Moore, I'm

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Speaker 1: a huge Dj Moore fan. I think he's a stud. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: You know he struggled with the quarterback play that they

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Speaker 1: had last year. But I think he is a he's

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Speaker 1: a stud and they are. That's a great number one

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Speaker 1: to get for justin Fields or you know they have assets.

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Speaker 1: And you give Fields a year and if it doesn't

532
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: work this year, you still are in a position where

533
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Speaker 1: you can do something about it. Which doesn't work if

534
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna have two high picks next year, right, so

535
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Speaker 1: as Caroline is sin to take a quarterback at one,

536
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Speaker 1: so there's going to be great. So you could have

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Speaker 1: two top ten picks next year. If you're bad again

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Speaker 1: it Fields is great. You're gonna have two first round

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Speaker 1: picks to add to it. Then when for everybody, you

540
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: got a franchise guy and you're done. Um. I mean

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Speaker 1: you think about what he played with a receiver the

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Speaker 1: first year and a half. And I'm not a claypool

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00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: guy at all, um, and I wouldn't have done that deal.

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00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: I didn't like it when they did it. But now

545
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: to have he is he can be competent. He's a

546
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: big body target, right, so you now have with him

547
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: and more. You know, if two guys where you can

548
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: work everywhere, and you can run it with Fields, you

549
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: can run it with Montgomery and Khalil Herbert, you've got yeah,

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Speaker 1: even if they I mean at nine you could get

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00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: if whether you love Smith and Jigberg Addison, you want

552
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: to go receiver at nine you could. Everyone's saying tackle,

553
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: But like if you wanted to go receiver and just

554
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: go bonkers with weapons, well and didn't get him, he

555
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: ends up going signing a huge deal with the uh Broncos.

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00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: So obviously, yeah, they want to improve that offensive line

557
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: as well. But I think it's a weapons league, man,

558
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: it's a weapons league. Yeah, I think you try out.

559
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: You got three weapons out there, and yeah, there's there's

560
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: a lot to like um with that, with that situation

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Speaker 1: what they pulled off. My dad so he's texting me,

562
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: I go, wow, hard Grave, did the Browns get a Hardgrave? No, Niners,

563
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: what go on the internet or turn on your TV.

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00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: That's what I said to him, Gone Hardgrave and Edwards

565
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: And that won't be the last one. It's it's it's

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Speaker 1: hard for them to be able to to stay in,

567
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, on everything that they had. Look Hardgrave, it

568
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: just didn't make a lot of sense to me. As

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Speaker 1: much as we all wanted him, You everybody wants the

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00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: best player at every position. But the Browns, when you

571
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: have a quarterback making what Deshaun Watson is making, you

572
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: don't have the luxury of signing the premium premium guys.

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00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 1: You just don't. So you've got to be judicious. And

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00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 1: that's why part of me wonders, you know, what are

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00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 1: the Browns gonna do with? You know, how are they

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00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: going to allocate their money? And and and for example, let's

577
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: say a guy like Ethan Postic, I would have a

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00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: hard time believing the Browns would sign Ethan Postic to

579
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: a pretty big deal to have but Tony on a

580
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: pretty big deal to have are on a pretty big deal.

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Speaker 1: Three of them on the interior of your offensive line,

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00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: that just doesn't make sense. Not to mention Conklin, you're

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00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to. And then Wills is coming up, so

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00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: I wonder if if do we make a trade there

585
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: at some point. The reason you have Bill Callahan and

586
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: you're making him one of the highest paid position coaches

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00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL, is because he's able to take an

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00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: Ethan Postic, who was before not considered anything and make

589
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: him great. Wyatt Teller was not a pro bowler until

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00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: you started working with Bill Callahan. So isn't the to me,

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00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: it feels like that's an area to not spend money

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00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: and rely on you know, the Bill Callahan to make

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Speaker 1: guys better than they were. Yeah, that's that's got I

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00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: agree with you. Um, I mean, well, Mary Kay's going

595
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: Enjoys two o'clock. We'll ask her about the postic stuff.

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00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: And I like him a lot, but it would have

597
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: to be at the right deal. Not Brown's breaking news,

598
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: but affects our division. Former stealer and a very good cornerback,

599
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: Cam Sutton signing three year, thirty three million dollar deal

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Speaker 1: with the Lion, who I think are going to be

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00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: pretty pretty good. Yeah, they're in a position two nice picks.

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00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: They get a lot that they can do. We'll take

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00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 1: a look at some of the free agents that are

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Speaker 1: out there for us see if there's a fit, play

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Speaker 1: when you were out there on the Cats the two

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Speaker 1: So much fun. It was great Saturday night, Like the

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Speaker 1: wife went to bed early. Yeah, after the MAC game,

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Speaker 1: I was watching Duke win the ACC title and that

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Speaker 1: game popped up after and I'm like, I'm in for

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Speaker 1: a half watch a little of this. It's just for

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00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: the just for it, for the comedy. And UCLA is

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00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: a team of I mean they have a big injury,

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Speaker 1: but there's certainly a team of consequence. Will claimer Brown's

627
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Speaker 1: not as signing, but Mary kay who will join us

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Speaker 1: at two o'clock, saying with the defensive tackle Domino's falling

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Speaker 1: and Eagles Javon Hargrave's signing with the forty nine ers, Broncos,

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Speaker 1: Draymont Jones a Cleveland native, is still in playing for

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Speaker 1: the Brown's mutual interest. Can see it happening. Well, that

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00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: would be good. We've talked about him a lot, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: it would make that make a lot of sense. And

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Speaker 1: I know Tivis Powell has been pushing for that for

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Speaker 1: six months. Shy Tuttle, former Saints defensive tackle, signed a

636
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: three year deal with the Panthers three years, nineteen point

637
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: five million, thirteen guaranteed. I don't know if it's a

638
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: shy tuttle and if they were in on shy tuttle

639
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: or not, but there you go. Yeah, there do there,

640
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: you do go. They're on. That's thank god. As the

641
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: cardiac kid says, Browns don't want to shy defensive tackle.

642
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: That's right, cardiac kid. All right, So you wait on

643
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: you wait on Draymond a little bit and we'll we'll see, uh,

644
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: we'll see where that goes. He was a good player

645
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: to high State, good player with the Broncos, local kids,

646
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: so that'd be a win for everybody there. Um give

647
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: a yes, you're the Mac is great. So I want

648
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: to ask you this real quick. You brought up the

649
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: MAC game, the the why in Toledo? How important is

650
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: Toledo Athletics for their city, So that's always curious. I

651
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: was curious if that was like the one in the

652
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: state where like, because like Dayton's not that way with Dayton.

653
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: They like Dayton basketball, but it's still fun, you know. No, no, no, no,

654
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: it's Toledo is Toledo. So they haven't been since the

655
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty They have not been to the tournament since eighty. Yeah,

656
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: they've won the MAC the last three years in the

657
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 1: regular season and have lost their coach decided to go

658
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: off on a CBS sports reporter Friday for asking about

659
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: the drought, like what would it mean? Well, that's a

660
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: guy's job, and yeah, I will just say it's not

661
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: the first time that that guy's gone off the rails

662
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: on something as minor as that. How long has he

663
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: been there? I don't remember. He was at Wisconsin Green

664
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: Bay before that. Okay, all right, So it's not that

665
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: he's not successful. They just can't win the championship, no,

666
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: and all it matters. Unfortunately. I think that should be

667
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: a two bid league a lot of years. Yeah, I don't.

668
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I think it shouldn't be automatic that they'll

669
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: just get one in. You go sixteen and two in

670
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: that league. They win a game in the turn every year.

671
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: I think Ken State's gonna beat Indiana. They can match

672
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: up with it. Since your carry kid, they can they

673
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: can absolutely beat them. Yeah, no question guards, they get guards.

674
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: They can shoot it too. Had one seventeen in a row.

675
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, now they can beat them. How about that?

676
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: We saw a two seed and I know Marquette was

677
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: ranked high and obviously they've It makes me feel like

678
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: this is a lot open. It is that is one

679
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: of that is a two seed, right, and they should

680
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: have been the number one two seed because they're in

681
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: the same bracket as perdue. By the way, I like

682
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: your duke. He's coming out of there. Um no no

683
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: help with the five starting to play some d though,

684
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: Isn't that right? But you play, you play the weakest

685
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: four in Tennessee. Who's with that? Who's got the injury?

686
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: Gotta get buy the twelve? Yeah, Roberts is pretty good.

687
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: That's the Kansas a couple of years ago got Ohio

688
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: Duke in the first round in Choking. I think they've

689
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: got both Kansas and Ohio State or Roberts as in

690
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: recent years. But out there it is yeah, I I

691
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: think Marquette could be got by Vermont. The catamountains could happen.

692
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: I think if somebody can. They had good size and

693
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: they guard was good. The guard was really good and

694
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: he shot it well. And they had they had a

695
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: bunch of six eight guys. They can play d they're

696
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: suffocating defensive team. Yeah they are. Um, but yes, we

697
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: did see them play. So that'll get started on well,

698
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: Tomorrow night is the first four and then the real

699
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: tournament starts on Thursday. Um. But it was that was fun.

700
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: How many people are working on Friday, Saint Patty's Day?

701
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it is tournament. It's perfect. I'll be

702
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: on a golf course, not us. By the way I looked,

703
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: I don't believe that we're going to chase the small

704
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: ball in this state. Look at look at look at Gibby.

705
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: You are sneaking out of here at the end of

706
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: this week. Are you staying here? Are you You're gone?

707
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: He's going again. Oh I love that trip for you.

708
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: So you're going to You're going to out there. That's

709
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: a win. Yeah, this is gonna be I mean, is

710
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: it isn't Saint Patrick's Day? Company holiday should be? Should

711
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: be I mean it's a city holiday. Yeah, that's what

712
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, let's shut it down. What are we

713
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: gonna do. It's gonna be me and you in here

714
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: Friday anyway, Yeah, just two of us. No one else

715
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: can be here. By the way, we're not chasing the

716
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: small ball in this state until at least not in

717
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: this region. And if you got nothing until April, no

718
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: chance between now in April first, literally none. I think

719
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: so much rain too, it's so wet. The two days

720
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: that are in the fifties are going to be pouring rain.

721
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: And then other than that we're living in the thirties

722
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: and forties until April, like there is no reprieve. Oh

723
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: my gosh, it really is. Tomorrow's highest thirty. Yeah, it's

724
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: like twenty five winds and it's like a significant windshill.

725
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: That's lovely, and then fifties at the end of the week,

726
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: and then right back down. You know you're gonna have

727
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: to get into that some fifties at the end. Boy,

728
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: this is a pretty crummy March usually get one seventy. Yes,

729
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: you had like a couple good days. So March was

730
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: my It's my birth month. I love March. Madness. This

731
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: is my favorite sporting event as a kid growing up.

732
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: I was masters at the end of it, like all

733
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: of it. Love it as a sports month, NBA winding down,

734
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: so forth, so on. But but I will say since

735
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: moving to Ohio and oh seven, March has probably been

736
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: my least favorite month because you feel like you've paid

737
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: your price. I've done my time. Yeah right, I've done it.

738
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: I've been through winter, we made it out alive. And

739
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: then you look at March and you're like, why aren't

740
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: Why isn't there a day that's seventy two and there

741
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: just aren't many much of It's like this, not this cold,

742
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: but it's really forties, low fifties, forties. This is even

743
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: colder than that. It's awful, just kind of locked in it. Really.

744
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: It might be the worst month we used to have, though.

745
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: I feel like there would be a week in March

746
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: every year that was like gulfable, absolutely at least one weekend.

747
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: Now there's nothing other A couple of years ago in

748
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: Myrtle Beach was forty degrees in rain and it was

749
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: seventy here and Sonny yeah, yeah, not this time. And

750
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: then the amount of precipitation we're getting is just gonna

751
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: make it a mess for a long long time. The

752
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: drainage is going to have to be right to get

753
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: this done. All right, let's play a little fit or

754
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: not a fit with Doctor C and the Browns free

755
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: agent fits Draymond Jones. Absolutely, it's a fit again. It

756
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: just comes down to do the Browns. It sounds like

757
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna be pricy. This defensive tackle market is clearly expensive.

758
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: Is he that much of a difference maker in their eyes?

759
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: My guess would be that they're very intrigued, as Mary

760
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: kay is reported, and she'll talk with us at the

761
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: top of the hour. But yeah, he makes a lot

762
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: of sense for the Browns. Young guy wants to come

763
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: back here, wants to play for the Browns. He's from Cleveland,

764
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: played at Ohio State. As we know, six and a

765
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: half sacks last year. He's at at least five and

766
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: a half sacks in three straight seasons. Like, that's a

767
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: guy that can affect the game for the Browns in

768
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: the interior from a pass rushing standpoint. So yes, I

769
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: think it makes a ton of sense for the Browns.

770
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: And if not, then you're talking you know, Fletcher Cox,

771
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: maybe on a one year deal while you try to

772
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: continue to develop your young guys like a Perry on Winfrey,

773
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: maybe a Sheldon Rankins, maybe Cox and Rankins. For crying

774
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: out loud, I mean, I don't think that there's I

775
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: don't think anybody in our defensive tackle room right now

776
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: other than Perion based on his ability, I don't know.

777
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: You know, he's obviously we've talked about and he knows

778
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: he needs to mature a little bit as a professional.

779
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: But from an ability standpoint, I would say he's the

780
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: only person that's on our roster in that room that

781
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: you would say is definitely going to be on the

782
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: roster in twenty twenty three. Like I don't think it's

783
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: a lock for Jordan Elliott. I don't think it's a

784
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: lock for Tommy TOGIAI at all. No. And I think

785
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: the one thing that Draymond he let me ask you this,

786
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: let's play a little factor fiction. Okay, factor fiction, Draymond

787
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: Jones would be is the only target still out there

788
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: who would be more than a one year deal? Is

789
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: everybody else old defensive Well, I still think that you

790
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: could have a Deforce Buckner as a target. So trade

791
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: ms free agents. Everybody else are most of the rest

792
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: of all one and done guys. Uh, possible, Jones could

793
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: be like a three year guy where he could be

794
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: around and I think the hope I think, you know

795
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: Alden Rankins is let's see, he's twenty eight, so he's

796
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: somebody that could maybe be a little bit of a

797
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, he could be a couple of year guy.

798
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean in terms of somebody that has

799
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: a chance to come in here and be somewhat of

800
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: a building block for you, I think that he would be.

801
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: He's he's a he's the top of the list. I

802
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: would imagine at this point Jesse Bates fit or not

803
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: a fit, of course, a fit good center field free safety.

804
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: But I think that you I don't think, and I'd

805
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: be happy to be wrong about it, by the way,

806
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: but I don't believe there's a world in which you

807
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: get Draymond Jones and you get Jesse Bates. I think

808
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be more judicious with your funds. Yeah,

809
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: I think. I think that's sometimes hard for fans to understand.

810
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: But like, we've paid all of our really good players, right,

811
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: so there's not that kind of money bouncing around. Poyer

812
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: Jordan Poyer. I mean, I would love him. He's kind

813
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: of more. He can play that true free safety. He's

814
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: got a nose for the ball. He had four picks

815
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: in limited action this year. Was a first team pro

816
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: two years ago. I love him. I think he would

817
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: be great. I think he'd be I would love George Player.

818
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: I think that he is more as he continues to age,

819
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 1: is probably a little bit more closer to the box

820
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: than necessarily a true center fielder. Garrett follow with this.

821
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: The Raiders close again on a deal with Jimmy Garoppolo.

822
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: He's on his way to Vegas, Jimmy Vegas. Reunite with

823
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. Jimmy Vegas. Yeah, Player's thirty two. Playna be

824
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: thirty two when the season starts. So that's probably not

825
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: McCole Hardman fit or not. If absolutely a fit, and

826
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: I think you can get him at a discounted rate

827
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 1: one year, prove it deal with a ton of speed.

828
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: He was very productive for Kansas City last year before

829
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: he got hurt. I think that would be I like that.

830
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there are receivers that I like more than

831
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: McCole Harman. I think he's a little limited as a receiver.

832
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: But in terms of speed, vertically, horizontally, stretching the field,

833
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: all those things, he would give that to you. And

834
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: because he's coming off an injury, you'd get him for

835
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: less than you would otherwise. Yeah, Brandon Cooks absolutely yes, No,

836
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Watson has played with Watson, has success with Watson. Absolutely yes,

837
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: But that's a trade, right, Yeah, you'd have to do

838
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: that there, Paris Campbell. When I watched Paris Campbell, the

839
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: speeds there, but he's kind of like a running back.

840
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: They throw him in the slot like run jet sweeps

841
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: and quick hitters, deep too. But like it wasn't like

842
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: it was different than I'd like him because he's a weapon.

843
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: And if you can get him at a nice price,

844
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: give me all the weapons I can get. Sure, But

845
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's like plug and play. We

846
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: need somebody top off the dep He doesn't address that.

847
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that. Even though he's got great speed.

848
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: I mean he's he does, he's just not that. He's

849
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: not that type of player. He's more of a um

850
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: he's just a weapon. Yep. So all right, there you go.

851
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: So some stuff starting to trickle in here. The league

852
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: is being certainly to a certain extent at the quarterback position.

853
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: Although you've seen the Raiders move on, you're waiting on

854
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: Rogers and then you're waiting on anything with Lamar. That's

855
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: the other thing that's out there is the Lamar stuff.

856
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: So Fowler had the report yesterday that no NFL team

857
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: is going to make an offer on Lamar, and people

858
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: are quick to talk about the collusion with it, and

859
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: I do think there's probably some message that's being sent

860
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: in terms of guaranteed money and such. But I think

861
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: another part of it that's maybe not talked about enough

862
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: is if you sigh, if you go after him, you

863
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: alienate the rest of your room. So we saw this

864
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: with Matt Ryan. So if you have a young guy

865
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: that maybe you sort of believe in but you want

866
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: to take a swing. And the other thing with Lamar

867
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: is it's almost like you couldn't offer him a deal

868
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: unless you had already spoken to the Ravens and said,

869
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: are you guys going to match this? Yep. Like it's

870
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: almost like you have to work and you don't. He

871
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: doesn't have an agent, so it's not like you can

872
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: like go to the agent and back channel, like you

873
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: have to go directly to him and directly to the Ravens,

874
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: like it would be easy. For example, of the Falcons

875
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: of the team that makes the most sense. You give

876
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: up two number ones, you get Lamar Jackson, You give

877
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: him two hundred million dollars guaranteed on a four year deal.

878
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure that Falcons would do that tomorrow. But the

879
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: problem is is they don't know if Baltimore would match it.

880
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: So now you've let it be known if you believe

881
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: in Desmond Ritter a little bit, even that you were

882
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: looking to find somebody to replace him. All the while,

883
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: all of your work on a contract is out the

884
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: window because Baltimore just matched it. Right, you're basically negotiating

885
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 1: for them. It's a it is a tough situation, which

886
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: is why they put it in there. But they're also

887
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: i would say, likely to upset you know, Lamar in

888
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: this it's a messy situation. The fact though that there

889
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: is we live in a league where you're willing to

890
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: give forty plus a million a year to Daniel Jones

891
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: and not Lamar Jackson, who's been the MVP of the league,

892
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: to me is insane. Agreed, it's crazy, it is, Yeah,

893
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: but did you read the Charles Robinson article by the

894
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: Way last week where he talked with three agents about

895
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: the Lamar situation, and they said, basically, if he had agents,

896
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: this not have happened. It wouldn't have gotten to this

897
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: point because they would have been able to do all

898
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: the negotiating for him with every other team, and he

899
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: would know exactly where he stood now. And part of

900
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: the problem is they're saying, yeahs lawyers who are helping him,

901
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: but those are not people that have the connections that

902
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: the tap agents and the business have where they can

903
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: call up a general manager or call up an owner.

904
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: At one of the points a guy made is that

905
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: this is you're talking about ownership level stuff. Yeah. Yeah,

906
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: So he doesn't have that access. So he's kind of

907
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: in some ways, he's he's like a pilot flying, you know,

908
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: without instruments, right, He's flying blind a little bit, and

909
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: I think that makes this whole situation much much tougher. Yeah,

910
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: it's a it's an absolutely brutal spot and it's yeah,

911
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the juxtaposition of Daniel Jones would getting what

912
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: he got and Lamar Jackson can't. But it's also the

913
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: spot that they're in that's allowed for it. I mean,

914
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: the Ravens now that it's a hell of a gamble.

915
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: I guess they're banking on if they do resign him

916
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: or they do match that John Harbaugh, who's played kind

917
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 1: of the good cop to to cost his bad cop

918
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: in this the whole time, that he can massag through it.

919
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: But it feels like they want to try to massage

920
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: through well. It's it's a thirteen million dollars difference in

921
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: the tag, right, Like, I can't imagine that he wants

922
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: to come back and play for that. I mean, he's

923
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: It goes back to the Daniel Jones and I get

924
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: like those are two different situations. They are I mean

925
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, like what else you're gonna do if you're

926
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: the Giants? And it's not an awful contract. Same with

927
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: the Geno Smith one, they're not awful contracts. I don't

928
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: know if there's a I don't know if I would

929
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: have done it, But if if that's the only guy

930
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: that you have, then that's what you have to work with.

931
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: But the whole Lamar thing, it's him not having an

932
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: agent is truly hurting this process. For no doubt. It's

933
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: crippled him and it's it's allowed for. It's allowed for

934
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: hurt feelings, probably because now you have to say the

935
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: tough part to him directly or to an attorney, as

936
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: opposed to an agent who can massage it. Yes, and

937
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: the agent could be the bad guy. Garoppolo, by the way,

938
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: getting three year, sixty seven point five million, including thirty

939
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: four million guaranteed from the Raiders, so that's an average

940
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: of basically twenty two and a half a year. I

941
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: think it now becomes a lock that quarterbacks go one

942
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: and two in the draft because Houston had been reportedly

943
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: interested in Garoppolo. That's not happening now. I think the

944
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: most interesting spot in the draft now is three. It's

945
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Arizona because you still have there are other teams who

946
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: could now come up to three and try to get

947
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: the quarterback and to keep him out of the Colts.

948
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: So the Colts now are in a position where, you know,

949
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: everyone thought they were going to one with the Bears

950
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: and get the quarterback that they want. Now they might

951
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: get the fourth quarterback, so that Arizona spot has a

952
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: lot of value. Houston's going to stand pat every everything.

953
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: Last week it felt like the Carolina did it for

954
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: Stroud was kind of the feeling last week around league

955
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: that it was a stroud move. Houston would then theoretically

956
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: be able to sit and get the guy they want

957
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: all young, and then that would leave that third spot

958
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: with Arizona choosing between Levis and Richardson. But I think

959
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: it's very likely by the time we get to the draft,

960
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: it's quarterback one through four, So you think Arizon will

961
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: move out. I would if I were them. I think

962
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: they're in a hell of a position too. Yeah, if

963
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: you take your quarterback if your Arizona, no tell you what. Anecdotally,

964
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: there is no love for Kyler Murray based on a

965
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: couple of the Uber drivers that we had set down there.

966
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: It's such an apathetic franchise too, you know, like the

967
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: weather's great, like, okay, Cardinals are good, bad whatever, Like

968
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: ownership's not great, Like it just kind of is. It's

969
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: just so it's such an elite placed. It is, but

970
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: it's like all of those elite places, like they're not what.

971
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: There's so many things to do. I'm not gonna get

972
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: bogged down by a football team. It's seventy two degrees

973
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: in February. What do I care. I'm playing Troon I'm

974
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: doing just fine. I'm not I'm not dealing with it.

975
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,680
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time let's just

993
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: we're a couple hours into this thing. Is there anything

994
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: from a Browns per perspective that's noteworthy to you other

995
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: than the Watson restructure in terms of guys going elsewhere

996
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: that you think maybe they were in on. Well, you know,

997
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: the thing that I'm focusing on right now at the

998
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: moment is the defensive tackle market is starting to fall.

999
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: The dominoes are starting to fall to von Hargrave signed

1000
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: that blockbuster deal with the forty nine ers, you know,

1001
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: so it's starting to happen. And I think that they

1002
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: are still firmly in the mix for Draymond Jones, and

1003
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: I think that's really exciting for the Cleveland Browns and

1004
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: for Browns fans. So, you know, it's something that I

1005
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: actually could see happening. There are other a lot of

1006
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: other teams interested in him, but I think it's it's

1007
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: something that has a decent chance of happening. Talk with

1008
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: Mary Kay Cabot, Mary Kay, you mentioned Draymond Jones, you know,

1009
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: coming in, what would kind of the vision be for him?

1010
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: And then if they don't get him, is DeForest Buckner.

1011
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: That's another name I've seen thrown around as a potential

1012
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: trade target. Is that somebody that the Browns could be

1013
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: interested in. You know, they might be interested in him,

1014
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: But in my dealings, in terms of DeForest Fuctor, I

1015
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: just have kept hearing that they don't think that the

1016
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, my sources tell me that they don't think

1017
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: that the Colts will be willing to deal him to

1018
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: move them. So I just don't I just don't know.

1019
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's their best defensive player. I just don't

1020
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: know if that has a realistic chance of happening. But

1021
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: in terms of Draymont Jones, I mean, you're getting really

1022
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: two defensive lineman for the price of one. If you

1023
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: can land him, you've got to tackle, you've got an end.

1024
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: You've got someone that I think has tremendous upside potential.

1025
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: He had six and a half sacks last season, missed

1026
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: the last four games, so I think he's a double

1027
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: digit sacker. I think that he would flourish in Jim

1028
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: Schwartz's scheme, and I think it just would be a

1029
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: dynamite signing for the Browns. Well, the other the other

1030
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: thing about him is, of course I knew from Ohio State,

1031
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: but I mean he's been a great, great player that

1032
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: he's a local kid, and it feels like there's mutual affection.

1033
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: Are you hearing that as well? Oh yeah, I got

1034
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: to talk to Draymond on the phone on Saturday. He

1035
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: was nice enough to jump on the phone with me.

1036
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that even tells you something about,

1037
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, a player's character that he's willing to, you know,

1038
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: to do an interview like that with his hometown news outlet.

1039
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty cool. So he did that.

1040
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: He talked about how excited he would be to come

1041
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: back home, how his whole entire family would be over

1042
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: the moon about this. He did emphasize that he's open

1043
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: to any team. He's open to going back to the Broncos,

1044
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: but it really would be cool for him to come

1045
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: back to the land. If you know Draymond Jones, it's

1046
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: a bitter's market and the Browns, you know, have their

1047
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 1: limits of what they can pay. If it's not Draymond Jones,

1048
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: who are some other names we should keep an eye

1049
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: on for the Browns of defensive tackle. Yeah, it's starting,

1050
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, it starts to get a little nicely. You know,

1051
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: you've got Dalvin Tomlinson is still out there, but you know,

1052
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're going to start to run out

1053
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: of the kind of quality prospects that you know that

1054
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: you're really going to be looking for. Zach Allen is

1055
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: still out there, you know, David Onyamada signed with the

1056
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: Falcons today. So as I mentioned, uh, you know, it

1057
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: could start to be kind of slim pickens if you

1058
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: don't get the guy that you want. So, you know,

1059
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: hopefully for Browns fans and for Draymond that you know

1060
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: that they're hot and heavy in these talks right now

1061
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 1: and they'll you know, come up with something. Sim When

1062
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: you look at that defensive tackle position we've covered, that

1063
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: sounds like Draymond Jones is the guy that the Browns

1064
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: are targeting and hopefully something can happen imminently. What other

1065
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: positions are the Browns active in and what names are

1066
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: you hearing perhaps either a wide receiver or at safety. Well,

1067
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, I was a little bit surprised that they

1068
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: went out to Odell Beckham Junior's workout, But as I've

1069
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: done more due diligence on that, you know, I've come

1070
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: to realize that they you know, that they were serious

1071
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: about that. This wasn't just something that they were going

1072
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: out there to you know, update their free agent list,

1073
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: so you know, they have remained in close contact with him.

1074
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: He wants to come back here and play with DeShawn,

1075
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: so I just wouldn't rule it out. He's looking probably

1076
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: for a lot of money right now, so I don't

1077
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: know if that will happen. I actually think that Elijah

1078
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: Moore from the Jets, if they're still willing to deal him.

1079
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: Of course they're still working under quarterback situations, but if

1080
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: they're willing to move him, he's somebody that has I

1081
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: think a lot of potential to really flourish with a

1082
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, and you can get him, you know, at

1083
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: a lot less money than probably, you know, some of

1084
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: these other veterans. So you know, he's somebody else that

1085
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: I would look at. Brandon Cooks. You know, I still

1086
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: would look at Brandon Cooks as a trade option because

1087
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: you know, he's got that natural chemistry with Deshaun. You know,

1088
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: those guys would want to play with each other, and

1089
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: you need someone that Deshaun can feel real, super comfortable

1090
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: with when he's out there scrambling around and trying to

1091
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: find his guy. He would you know, he would have

1092
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: that natural fit with branded and just a quick bit

1093
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: of breaking Newsy and Rappaport. The Texans expected to sign

1094
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: former Patriots and Browns pass rusher Chase Winovich, a source saying,

1095
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: so Chase Winovich reportably headed to Houston on that So

1096
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: that speaks to this isn't just where we talked so

1097
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: much about the interior, Mary kay, but it's it's end two.

1098
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got a lot of bodies that need

1099
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: to come into that room. And I think one thing

1100
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: that it's a little tricky because for the last five

1101
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: years or so, when the Browns go to free agency,

1102
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: like they have a checklist, then they go get the

1103
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: guys that check those boxes. But hamstrung a little bit

1104
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: and that the Browns are paying a lot of their

1105
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: best players. And so while you do a restructure with

1106
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: Watson and I guess I'll start there, do you think

1107
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: that more restructures could be on the way with other

1108
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: veterans who are highly paid on this roster? You know,

1109
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: it just all depends on what they need. If they

1110
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: need to clear more space and they come up with

1111
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: an opportunity to acquire someone that they didn't necessarily envision

1112
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: right at the outset, then they will go ahead. And

1113
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 1: dig into another contract and find some money and come

1114
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: some signing bonus, and it's a win win for the

1115
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: player because you know, who doesn't want to get handed,

1116
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, an extra ten million bucks up front that

1117
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: you didn't know you were going to get right away.

1118
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: So so it's not something that is going to be

1119
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: hard to do, and the event they need to do it,

1120
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: I just think it will be dependent on what comes

1121
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: available to them. Talk with Mary Kay Cabot. Mary Kay,

1122
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: do you expect the Browns to get, you know, multiple

1123
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: things done here before the start of the new league

1124
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: year or do you think it's kind of be a

1125
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: slower process. You know, I think they probably will get

1126
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: at least one or two things done that they want

1127
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: to accomplish. I think they're getting pretty close to resigning

1128
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: Ethan Postic, which didn't seem like that was going to

1129
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: happen when free agency started, So now that looks like

1130
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: a pretty good bet. I believe they'll do that, and

1131
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,479
Speaker 1: then you know, maybe they just ump in real quick.

1132
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: You mentioned Postic. Is this going to be a long

1133
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: term deal? Is this a short term deal? Because the

1134
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 1: Bronze already have so much money invested on the interior

1135
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: that offensive line. You know, what's kind of your thought

1136
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: with having Bill Callahan find the next Ethan Postic or

1137
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: a guard something like that, other as opposed to having

1138
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: three veterans on the interior all on second contracts. What's

1139
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: that Postic one looking like? As from what you're hearing,

1140
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not one hundred percent certain. I would

1141
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: have to think that they might end up doing a

1142
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: multi year deal because he can probably get that from

1143
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: someone else. So I don't know that he would necessarily

1144
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: want to do the one year deal, although it would

1145
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: give him an opportunity to hit free agency again next

1146
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: year in a less depressed center market, so there could

1147
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: be some incentive to do that. But whatever the case

1148
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: may be, I just think that there is a really

1149
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: good chance that he will be back here and that's

1150
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: a great way to start off free agency because they

1151
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: did not think that they were going to have him,

1152
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: and I think it's important for them to have that

1153
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: center position locked up with a really good player. Mary

1154
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: Kay from a checklist standpoint, obviously detact at the very

1155
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: very top of that priority d ends their free safety.

1156
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: You got to have that now, that's got to get

1157
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: in the mix. And then Nathan and I are pretty

1158
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: adamant speed receiver weapons on offense. What would be your

1159
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: packing order on that? And where do you think the

1160
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: most likelihood of those issues being solved is? Does a draft,

1161
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: free age trade? How are those issues going to get

1162
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: sort ouse? I think, quite frankly, all of them need

1163
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: to be Yeah. I mean it's hard to rank them

1164
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: because they really need all of them. But you know,

1165
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: I think you can get a defensive tackle in free agency,

1166
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: maybe even a defensive end in free agency. I've mentioned Yannick.

1167
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's really high on their list

1168
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: or not, but he can get you the sacks and

1169
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: that's what they really need. And you know, in terms

1170
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: of the receiver market, I actually think that you might

1171
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: have better luck in a trade for a receiver than

1172
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: trying to find one in free agency where you know

1173
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: you're really going to overpay. So you know, so I think,

1174
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, I would be looking in the trade market,

1175
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, like an Elijah Moore, who they've kind

1176
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: of had their eye on a little bit back last

1177
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: year when he was disgruntled and wanted to be traded

1178
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: by the Jets. So that's somebody I would look at.

1179
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: But in terms of which what you need. You know,

1180
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: I think the speedy receiver, in my mind, is just

1181
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: as important as these defensive guys. So I've got them

1182
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: all ranked right, all across the board next to each other. Yeah,

1183
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: what's the lads with Jesse Bates or what? What are

1184
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: you what are you expecting at the free safety spot? Yeah,

1185
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: Jesse Bates has a lot of teams interested in him.

1186
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: You know, you hear about him. You know, things heating

1187
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: up a little bit with him, and you know in

1188
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: the Falcons and some other teams. So I don't know

1189
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: if they're going to be able to land him or not.

1190
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: That could be another thing that they're hot and heavy

1191
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: talking about right now, because, as you know, he shares

1192
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: an agent with Deshaun Watson, so they've got a great

1193
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: open relationship with David Mulugetta. That's something that you can,

1194
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, you can let them go out and see

1195
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: what else they can get and then maybe he calls

1196
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: them back and says, hey, here's what we have. You know,

1197
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: before you do any saying, give us a call back.

1198
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: So you know, that's something I think that you need

1199
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. And if they don't get him,

1200
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: there are several other safeties that you can look at. CJ.

1201
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson from the Eagles. He does a lot. I

1202
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: mean he he had six interceptions and he didn't even play.

1203
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: I can't even remember. He missed like three games or

1204
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: something like that, or the last three or four games.

1205
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: But you know, he tackles really well. He had sixty

1206
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: one solo tackles last year. You know, he's somebody that

1207
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: I bring I think brings a lot of fire there

1208
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: in the back end. So you know, I wouldn't rule

1209
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: him out either. You know, it's a pretty decent safety market.

1210
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: Is there a name out there that we haven't really

1211
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: heard much about that Browns fans should should keep an

1212
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: eye on or do some some learning about. You know,

1213
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: I really don't have anybody like that on my list

1214
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: right now. I've pretty much I've been kind of saying

1215
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: everything and writing everything sure that I know, so yeah,

1216
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: at this point, no, But I will say I am

1217
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: sure that they have some of those sleeper guys that

1218
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: they have been looking into, and you know, they could

1219
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: sign one of those guys at any given time, and

1220
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: and you know, I just wouldn't be surprised. They've probably

1221
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: got three or four guys that they've been looking at

1222
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: that you know that we haven't really put out there yet.

1223
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: Mary Kay, great stuff. Thank you so much for your

1224
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: time dialed in has always and greatly appreciated on a

1225
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: busy day. Thanks so much for having me. Guys. All right,

1226
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Speaker 1: that's Mary Kay cab at Cleveland dot com joining on

1227
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Speaker 1: the Twisted te Hotline, brought you by Twisted te Hart

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Speaker 1: iced T, official sponsor of your Cleveland Browns. Winovich to

1229
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Speaker 1: any any surprising there on, that no reunites with Nick Sazzario,

1230
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: who obviously must have liked him from their time in

1231
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: New England when he was drafted in the third round.

1232
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: If you don't remember, he had a great game against Houston.

1233
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: He had that pressure a tip that led to the

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01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: pick six for Tony Fields. I like him. I'm gonna

1235
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: miss him, a great interview, great guy to have around

1236
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: the building. I'm gonna miss Chase Winovich. I wish him well.

1237
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: Houston also bringing in case Keenum for his third stint

1238
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: with the Texans as well. It just feels like the Texans.

1239
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: If you played for the Browns at some point, you'll

1240
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: end up playing for the Texans. It does a lot

1241
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: of ward is back with them. They had Kirko for

1242
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: all those years. Money Mitch was there for a while.

1243
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean like, it's just, yeah, a lot of familiar faces,

1244
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: certainly when when you see them. So there's uh, the

1245
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: arcity starting to beat some moves here trickle in in

1246
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: the last couple hours. He's like every five minutes. But

1247
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: so there's one of note. We will will keep you

1248
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Speaker 1: posted on all that you hood from our Special Teams

1249
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Speaker 1: coordinator Bubba bvent Tron coming up next and then Ben

1250
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: all Breckon to join us at bottom of the hour.

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Speaker 1: This goes back to Thursday. Special Teams Coordinator Bubba been

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Speaker 1: trone at the podium. Let's have a listen, Hey, Bubba,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. Just just wondering, when you've looked over so

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Speaker 1: far the Browns special teams, what do you think of

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Speaker 1: Kade York, What do you think of his upside as

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Speaker 1: you look to the twenty twenty three season, and what

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Speaker 1: else kind of gets you excited about what you have

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Speaker 1: and what Browns fans are going to see on your

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Speaker 1: special teams this coming season. Sure, I'll start with Kaid's first.

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Speaker 1: It's not too often that you get to actually coach

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Speaker 1: a guy that you rank coming out of out of

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Speaker 1: college at the highest at that position. So last year

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Speaker 1: grading you know, all the specialist, the kickers, the punters,

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Speaker 1: I had Cade at the highest fortunate to be able

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Speaker 1: to be able to coach him this year. Um, So

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, he obviously can improve, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna just coach him up and we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be, you know, as as good as we

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Speaker 1: can in the kicking phase. UM. I would say as

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Speaker 1: far as the core group, it's a talented group overall,

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Speaker 1: it's a talented group overall. I see a lot of

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Speaker 1: upside here both as you know, with the ball handlers

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Speaker 1: we have currently on the roster, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: would say the guys that are, you know, contributing in

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Speaker 1: the big four phases, covered units and in the blocking phases.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited to work with this group. Hey Bob,

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Speaker 1: but welcome back to Cleveland. How has your experience as

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Speaker 1: a player being a core special teamer made you a

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Speaker 1: better coach? Like I said earlier, I feel like I

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Speaker 1: have a good understanding of the techniques that are played

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Speaker 1: within the scheme. You know, I've actually done it, you know,

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Speaker 1: in my career. That's all I did, really, So I

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Speaker 1: feel like I have maybe a little bit more insight

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Speaker 1: to I would say maybe the true you know, intricacies

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Speaker 1: of the techniques. I'm a big, big, big and we

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Speaker 1: will drill it to death. Is the fundamentals of the game. Footwork,

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Speaker 1: hat placement, you know, playing with the bass. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: size that at nauseum to our players and ultimately that's

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Speaker 1: going to get us the best results. You can't do

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Speaker 1: anything unless you have good fundamentals and technique, and that starts,

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Speaker 1: you know, from day one. And the rules these days

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Speaker 1: seem to tilt the game against punt and kick returns,

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Speaker 1: but your units have been really successful in that area.

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Speaker 1: Can you maybe explain why that is, does it just

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Speaker 1: simply come down to technique and teaching technique. Yeah. This

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Speaker 1: past year we had a young, a young group in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: We drilled the crap out of their footwork on kickoff

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Speaker 1: return in our drops. We end up leading the league

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Speaker 1: in kickoff return because we actually cuted our techniques well

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Speaker 1: and we ran basic returns the entire season. I feel

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Speaker 1: like the same, you know, parallel show up whenever you're

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Speaker 1: talking through the punt unit, good footwork. You know, you

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Speaker 1: can handle any type of rush in protection as long

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Speaker 1: as you have those fundamentals and technique to be able

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Speaker 1: to allow you to, you know, see those different types

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Speaker 1: of exotic looks. Hey, Bubba, what would you say are

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Speaker 1: your most vivid and your favorite memories at the time

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Speaker 1: you spent in Cleveland? What's up? Scott? Most vivid memory?

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Speaker 1: Just talked about this with chat o'she as I was

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Speaker 1: walking down the stairs, has beat in New England and

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Speaker 1: two thousand and it had to be two and ten.

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Speaker 1: We beat them up pretty good. I know, it's that's

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Speaker 1: obviously a really hard team to play against every season,

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Speaker 1: so it was it was a big win in that game.

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Speaker 1: I remember I recovered a fumble off a muff muff

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Speaker 1: kick in that game. As long as we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the Patriots, I'm sure it's a ton, But like, what

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Speaker 1: are a couple of things from being around coach Beltrick

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Speaker 1: so long that you apply in your role. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I credit Bill a huge amount to everything that I've had,

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Speaker 1: you know, the success that I've had. He actually texted

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Speaker 1: me this morning to congratulate me on the job. You know,

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Speaker 1: Bill really has given me my foundation for learning in

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Speaker 1: the kicking game. He and Brad Sealey both have a

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Speaker 1: huge influence and the things that I do. And you

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Speaker 1: know how I coached the game, how I call the game,

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Speaker 1: how I see the game, and you know, they just

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Speaker 1: they've just given me a lot of insight and direction

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Speaker 1: and opportunity, you know, Bill gaming opportunities as a player

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Speaker 1: and as a coach, as did Brad. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna use everything that I've learned from them and

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Speaker 1: hopefully make this group, you know, one that we can

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Speaker 1: be proud of. Hey, Baba, nice to meet you. I

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Speaker 1: had another Kid York question. I know Kid is kind

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Speaker 1: of a self described perfectionist. He talked about maybe getting

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Speaker 1: too hung up on his technique later in the season

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Speaker 1: with some of his misses last year. So I'm wondering

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Speaker 1: just what it's like to work with the player that

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Speaker 1: has that personality type that wants to be perfect at

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Speaker 1: that specific position. Yeah, the kicking position. I feel like

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Speaker 1: the best guys, the guys that are the most successful,

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Speaker 1: the best kickers. And I've been around quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: Phil Dawson, Vine Terry Gaskowski, the guys that I've coached

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Speaker 1: in you know, in in Indianapolis, Chase his past year,

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Speaker 1: I had a good year, Badgeley. Those guys have done

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Speaker 1: a good job of putting you know, missus to bed,

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Speaker 1: you know, moving on, not being so caught up in

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Speaker 1: missing a kick. It's how fast you can make the

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Speaker 1: correction and then move on to the next kick. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I haven't had a chance to sit down

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Speaker 1: and actually meet with Kaide, but that'll be one of

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Speaker 1: the things that I'm going to influence for him. Hey, Baba,

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Speaker 1: you know you obviously played it, you've coached it. What

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Speaker 1: makes a great special teams player, I'd say the trade

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Speaker 1: so that you look for in special teams players. You

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Speaker 1: want to have aggressive, tough, smart, discipline players. You know

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Speaker 1: that understand how the game's being officiated and how the

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Speaker 1: game needs to be played. The kicking game is completely

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Speaker 1: different than any other facet of the game offense and defense.

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Speaker 1: It's extremely different than the college kicking game, which is

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Speaker 1: completely different overall. So when these young players come into

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Speaker 1: the NFL, they really have no idea what they're getting

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Speaker 1: themselves into. So there's a lot of teaching that goes along.

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Speaker 1: And that's why those meetings in the spring and then

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Speaker 1: into training camp into the season are so important, especially

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Speaker 1: for those young players because they're they're getting taught all

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Speaker 1: these new techniques that they've never seen before or never

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Speaker 1: even have experience at all in their careers. And while

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Speaker 1: they're trying to still, you know, learn the offensive playbook,

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Speaker 1: the defensive playbook, and now they're learning a completely a

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Speaker 1: different facet of the game in the in the in

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Speaker 1: the kicking game. So you know, those are those are

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Speaker 1: the things I look at all. Right, good stuff with

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Speaker 1: Bubba Ventroll, And that's from his introductory press conference yesterday

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Speaker 1: or last week, whether on Thursday. And we should have

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Speaker 1: him in the studio fully soon. Be nice, be nice

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Speaker 1: to have him in here. I haven't have a little

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Speaker 1: chat always good to have a chat with our good buddy,

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Speaker 1: Benjamin Albright, he joins us, Coming up next, listen to

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Speaker 1: Radio host KOA and Denver. Benjamin Albright joins us, Well,

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Speaker 1: we're what are we two and a half hours into

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Speaker 1: this thing? Anything surprising for you so far before we

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Speaker 1: get into some of the specifics. Oh, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think it's I think it's surprising to the league or

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Speaker 1: the fans of the league rather as a whole, how

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Speaker 1: much interior offensive linemen and interior defensive lineman seemed to

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Speaker 1: be getting on the open market thus far, and that's

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Speaker 1: you know, a bit of a course correction from previous years.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting to see the big money that it's

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Speaker 1: getting handed out on the interior lines right now. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the Broncos. They've made some moves, big

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Speaker 1: one at tackle, brought in a backup quarterback as well.

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Speaker 1: What's kind of your take on those moves for Sean Payton?

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Speaker 1: And then also what can you tell us about the

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Speaker 1: reporting that they could be moving a wide receiver. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's start with I'll start with the signings. Mike McGlinchey

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Speaker 1: at right tackle, Ben Powers at left guard. I think

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Speaker 1: built a good signings. I don't know that they necessarily

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Speaker 1: may have overpaid a little from McGlinchey, but they sort

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Speaker 1: of had to because the Chicago Bears were also in

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Speaker 1: the market there. I think both go to help fix

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Speaker 1: a line that was charitably in flux last year and

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Speaker 1: hopefully that'll short up. They still get some work to do.

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Speaker 1: The center position, is it where it needs to be?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I left tackle with garat Bowls. They

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Speaker 1: may ride without another year, but eventually they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to figure out something there. In terms of the Garret Stidham,

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Speaker 1: I think that speaks a lot about Russell Wilson. Russ

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Speaker 1: is on a one year audition, and that's not to

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Speaker 1: say that Stidham is. That's not to say Stidiam is

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Speaker 1: going to be a you know, a starter, a surefire starter,

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Speaker 1: but he certainly has experience and that puts the Russ

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Speaker 1: on the button. You know, you're on a one year

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Speaker 1: audition for Sean Payton and honestly you don't make it

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Speaker 1: that far. They might punt so um that that says

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Speaker 1: that as far as uh, you know, the kind of

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Speaker 1: the rest of it goes and where this team stands,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's firmly in Sean Payton's control now

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Speaker 1: and the reports on the receiver's ben what that they

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Speaker 1: could be willing to move one is are you aligned

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Speaker 1: with that as well? That they could move off one

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Speaker 1: of those guys, specifically Court of the sudden. They're they're

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Speaker 1: shopping him pretty hard. Jerry Judy. I doubt it. Um

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Speaker 1: for the right price. Maybe they get a pick enough

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Speaker 1: price tag. Jiji Hambler could probably be had um, but

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Speaker 1: I think Tim Patrick and Jerry Julie are probably staying. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the rest of them, you know, they're they're shopping pretty

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Speaker 1: are we we need that? Back at the combine and

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Speaker 1: you know, I'd run into Matt Berry. I talked to

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Speaker 1: him a little bit about it and all that kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff. So what do you think of Draymond Jones?

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Speaker 1: A lot of talk about the Browns and Draymond Jones.

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Speaker 1: He's with the Broncos last year six and a half sacks,

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Speaker 1: obviously a productive player from Cleveland. Is that one of

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Speaker 1: the things that you're hearing and anything else about the Browns? Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think Draymond is squarely in the brown Sites. I

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Speaker 1: think they're I don't know if I want to say

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Speaker 1: front runner, but certainly out there out front. You know,

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Speaker 1: he wants to be in Denver. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: the economics of the situation work. You know, you look

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Speaker 1: at the other teams that would be involved in this,

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Speaker 1: obviously Chicago Bears, uh you guys, and then uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I put it out there before.

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Speaker 1: I tried to hint at it with a Carmine Falcone graphic,

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Speaker 1: but the Atlanta Falcons as well, they are all in

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Speaker 1: pursuit of Draymond Jones. I think he's going to get paid.

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Speaker 1: So if you're not willing to pay close to, you know,

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Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty million per then I then I would

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Speaker 1: suggest being out of that. But he, you know, he's

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Speaker 1: going to get paid, and I would not be surprised

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01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: at all to see Cleveland be the one to do it.

1468
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: So we obviously familiar with him a great deal from

1469
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: his time at Ohio State, and he's a local kid

1470
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: as well. In terms of what he was on the

1471
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: field in Denver and justifying that eighteen to twenty million

1472
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 1: dollar price tag, where does that all align. Well, let's

1473
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: start with the off field. There's nothing. He's you know,

1474
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: pretty quickly, clean guy, nice guy. He's a fun interview.

1475
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: You guys are gonna have fun if he does sign up.

1476
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: They're have fun talk to a real dry wit. On

1477
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: the field, the production comes in bunches, you know. And

1478
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: part of that has been the scheme that he's been

1479
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: in where he's been asked to play a slightly out

1480
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: of position at times. You know, he beat up on

1481
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: guys that were significantly less talented than him. The bulk

1482
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: of his sacks and his sack total stuff came against

1483
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, the Jets, the Colts, the Jags. Teams like

1484
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: that that didn't exactly have great offensive line play going on.

1485
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: He didn't have a lot of talent around him rush

1486
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: in the passer, and in the previous scheme that he

1487
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: was in, they weren't really concerned with sending a lot

1488
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: of pressure at any given time. I think if he

1489
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: could find a scheme where they are doing that and

1490
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: he's got talent around him to be able to do that,

1491
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: I think he'll be better. You're very good at getting pressure,

1492
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: but he's more along the line pass rusher. I think

1493
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: the weakness to his game would be, uh, you know,

1494
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: sitting there and making sure you've got gap contained in

1495
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: the run game, but definitely an upfield pass rusher and

1496
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 1: definitely gets production. So that would be what Jim Schwartz

1497
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: wants out of that position. I think ultimately the Browns

1498
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 1: probably will add a bigger body next to him, somebody

1499
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: they can either finding the draft later on, org in

1500
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: free agency on like a cheaper one year deal in

1501
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: that defensive tackle room beyond Draymont. You know, are there

1502
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 1: any defensive tackles that you're hearing also linked to the

1503
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: Browns or just anybody else that you've heard kind of

1504
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: on the Browns radar at this point, you know, not

1505
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: at the moment. Obviously the big name you know already went,

1506
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 1: and then you've got, you know, some other guys that

1507
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: have that have been kicking around there. I don't think that, uh,

1508
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, you always are obviously familiar with Sheldon Rankins.

1509
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: That's not gonna happen. So, um, you know, I think

1510
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 1: that in terms of focus and who's out there in

1511
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 1: the premier level and the A and B tiers of

1512
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, Draymont seems to be the one you would

1513
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: have circled as the best scheme fit for Jim Schwartz. Yeah,

1514
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: he certainly would. Is we take a step back and

1515
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: look at the league from a bigger picture, um, And

1516
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: and in your own division, the Raiders going with Jimmy Garoppolo,

1517
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 1: he gets reunited with Josh McDaniels, who of course is

1518
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: in Denver previously. Um, when you think about what has

1519
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,600
Speaker 1: happened at the top of the draft, even with the

1520
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: Bears training out and going with Carolina, how do you

1521
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: how do you see all this quarterback roulett playing out

1522
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: here over the next couple of weeks. Well, I think that,

1523
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's two dominoes out there that are that

1524
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: are kind of interesting, and that's Aaron Rodgers and him

1525
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: making the Jets wait on that decision. And the Lamar Jackson.

1526
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: I think everybody freaking out over people not offering Lamara

1527
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: contract just yet. You need to chill out. It's like

1528
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: the first week. They've got plenty of time and Baltimore

1529
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: can match anything that they put out there. So a

1530
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: lot of these teams are hanging out of their money

1531
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: and waiting to see how some of the stuff shakes out.

1532
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: At the top of the draft, Carolina moving up, I mean,

1533
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: you know it's going to put c. J. Strout, Bryce

1534
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: Young and uh and Anthony Richardson firmly out of reach

1535
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 1: of just most most teams, and then Will Levis you

1536
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: know right there as well. You could, um, you know,

1537
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: potentially have by the Raiders pick. But that's about it.

1538
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 1: So if you want to get up there get a quarterback,

1539
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: you need to trade with the Arizona Cardinals now because

1540
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks are going to be gone and all four

1541
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: of those guys are gonna be gone to the top ten.

1542
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think they could all be gone in

1543
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: the top five by the time this is all said

1544
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: and done. Ben you mentioned Rogers it felt like the Jets,

1545
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: saying I remember talking to you at the comment like, well,

1546
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: this could get done soon with the Jets, maybe by

1547
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: the weekend. We all thought that was pretty common, and

1548
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 1: now we're still sitting here waiting on this. It does

1549
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: feel like it's Jets a retirement. I guess what's taken

1550
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: so long? Well, and those are the options. Jets are retirements.

1551
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: The Packers don't want him back, and I don't think

1552
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of starting to realize that. I

1553
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: was told and I can't confirm this, this is unsubstantiated

1554
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: rumor stuff, but I was told that there's a mechanism

1555
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: as contract about a bonus that he needed to wait

1556
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: for a certain date. And so that's sort of what

1557
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: was going on. Now I'm not a hundred on that,

1558
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: So again, that's that's I want to make sure everybody

1559
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: knows that speculation. But that was told to me by

1560
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: somebody who I think would be in a position to

1561
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: know the details of that contract. So from what I understand,

1562
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: I think that's it. I do believe he's going to

1563
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: the Jets, you know, at this point in time, sitting

1564
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: there making and making those players wait over there in

1565
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: New York. Telling him you're all in and making them

1566
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: wait makes them think you're not, you know, and then

1567
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna go in there at the locker room. It's like, well,

1568
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: is this guy all about himself? So that's that's something.

1569
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: I certainly know what it's like to sit there through

1570
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: the Aaron Rodgers drama and wait on him and then

1571
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 1: have him not show, so I can. I can definitely

1572
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 1: get that Ben. We've heard that Elijah Moore, a very

1573
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: talented receiver of the Jets who was a little unhappy

1574
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 1: last year, or somebody who could maybe be on the move.

1575
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 1: It would make sense to me if you were getting

1576
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers that you would want to keep all of

1577
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: your weapons there is. Are you hearing anything about Elijah Moore?

1578
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 1: I've heard stuff about Corey Davis. I really hadn't heard

1579
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: a whole whole heck of a lot about Elijah more

1580
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: So I don't I couldn't confirm that. It's just it's

1581
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: it's of interest to me how much dissatisfaction Jets receivers

1582
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: have had over the last few years. They all want

1583
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,640
Speaker 1: to get over there, They signed contracts there, then they

1584
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: want out. Practically immediately, so something to kind of keep

1585
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: your eye on. There is there is there. You mentioned,

1586
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Lamar Jackson thing. How it's it's not

1587
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: the trick. That's such a tricky thing, because you know,

1588
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: Baltimore can match anything at any point, and so they're

1589
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: almost the league's negotiating the contract for them. But at

1590
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: the same point, there is a human element to this,

1591
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: and there's a lot that's been played out publicly between

1592
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: him and the Ravens. Do you think that there is

1593
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: a path back for him to in Baltimore despite all

1594
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: of this, Yeah, I mean there's always you know, money

1595
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: cares all, right, money and winning cares all. So you know,

1596
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:24,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a there's a path back.

1597
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: I just think that it's it's tough right now because

1598
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: the Ravens have repeatedly gone out of the way to say, look,

1599
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: we don't think you're worth five years, two fifty, fully guaranteed.

1600
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,839
Speaker 1: We just don't. We don't care what Cleveland did with Watson,

1601
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 1: we don't think you're worth that. And so you know,

1602
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, we've come to a stalemate. We're throwing

1603
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:42,600
Speaker 1: the tag and the transition tag out here. We'll let

1604
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: the market set the market. Well, now you've got a

1605
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: bunch of teams that aren't you know, that know that

1606
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: Baltimore can match, so they're not going to sit there

1607
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: and help Baltimore out by, you know, by trying to

1608
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: do that. So, you know, I think it's I think

1609
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: it's a tough situation right now. I think it's worse

1610
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: before it gets better, But I think it can get better.

1611
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: Do you think that if Lamar had an agent, one

1612
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: of the high powered agents that you know, I don't

1613
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: know if you were the Charles Robinson article, but it

1614
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: felt like they made a pretty compelling case that having

1615
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: an agent to actually be talking directly to the other

1616
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: owners would have allowed him to really understand his market

1617
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: value better than the situation he's found himself in now.

1618
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. Absolutely, you know. I get that

1619
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: players are trying to save money and the maximum and

1620
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: an agent can charge in the NFL's three percent of

1621
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 1: the total deal, right, most of them don't charge that,

1622
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: especially the big guys. They under cut each other and

1623
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: you're down about one percent. But the value that an

1624
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: agent brings is just worth it. They can do things

1625
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: you can't do. They can backchannel things, work deals, you know,

1626
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,879
Speaker 1: get different guys on the line and bidden against themselves,

1627
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: and these are things that just Lamar's just not capable,

1628
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: doesn't understand the business aspect of the game and how

1629
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: the stuff is played out. So having it is a

1630
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: mistake for a player in the modern NFL to go

1631
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: without an agent, even if you're trying to learn the

1632
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: ropes to become unshadow your own agent and become one later. Yeah,

1633
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it just seems like a no brainer, and

1634
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to find a a path for it, which,

1635
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: quite frankly, is fine. What do you make of this

1636
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: Eckler story today, by the way, speaking of your division,

1637
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: that you're familiar with him, him wanting a trade out

1638
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: of LA, Well, yeah, I mean he does. I don't

1639
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: think he recognizes that he's probably not the best kit

1640
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: for the new offense. He's kind of tired of the

1641
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: situation with, you know, working behind a subpar offensive line

1642
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: and creating stuff out of nothing. Um, I think he

1643
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: recognizes that his value could best be used elsewhere. The

1644
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 1: problem is is with the contract that he's on. Getting

1645
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: a trade somewhere else is going to be an extremely

1646
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: limited market, and so it's going to be tough for

1647
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: them to actually work out a deal as far as

1648
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff goes. That's another one we talked

1649
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: about Jets receivers being disgruntled. You know, Chargers running backs

1650
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: being disgruntled has sort of been a thing. Melvi. Gordon

1651
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: managed to finally get his way out of out of there,

1652
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously using Denver and the Kansas City,

1653
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: Eckler are gonna, you know, gonna be the next one

1654
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: to force his way out of there. And so it's

1655
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: just gonna be tough because that market they can absorb

1656
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: the contract, afford to trade the picks, and has the

1657
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: need for that kind of running backs fairly limited. It's

1658
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,799
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting because he has a talented player. I mean, obviously,

1659
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: when you can score touchdowns at the rate that he

1660
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 1: has and you know, lead the league in receptions yards

1661
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: and receiving touchdowns as a running back, he can help somebody.

1662
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: But that's a you're right, that's an interesting one. We're

1663
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: just hoping that he stays an get him, go send

1664
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: him to the NFC. That's fine. I like that, Claro.

1665
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: So he's a very talented, talented guy, all right, anything

1666
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: else you're hearing just kind of big Pitcher doesn't have

1667
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: to involve the Browns at all. Anything interesting that you're

1668
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: hearing right now. A lot of teams are holding their money,

1669
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: teams you would think would be out there spending or

1670
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: holding their money right now looking for value, you know,

1671
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: kind of Wave two, Wave three type free agency stuff.

1672
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I mean, even though the Bears were

1673
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: committed to the offensive line, they're kind of holding back

1674
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Speaker 1: on the money right now. So it's interesting to see

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01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: the teams that have big, big money available to them

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01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily out there spending. Let me throw one name

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01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: at you and see if what you've heard on him,

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01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: McCole Hardman. Ah, yeah, there's there's a couple of teams

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01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,480
Speaker 1: out there that are interested. Um, from what I understand,

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01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: most of most of the teams that have out there

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01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: interested haven't been teams he necessarily wanted to go to

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01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: a lot Houston. But there, you know, there was a

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01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: mention of the Browns in there. I don't know if

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01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: the house serious that is, but getting that street line

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01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: speed out there, it does help. It dictates coverages and

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01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: I always say how valguable that is. Yeah, it is

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Speaker 1: always great talking to you, but thanks so much for

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01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: your time as always. Absolutely got to tick here. All right.

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Speaker 1: That's NFL Insider host to Kaoa and Denver Benjamin Albready

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01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: joining us on the Twisted Tea hot Line, brought you

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01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: Keep it Twisted, Cleveland. It does feel like it has slowed.

1693
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: That there was a flurry there right around noon that

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01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: lasted I don't know about an hour and a half,

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01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: and now it seems like nothing quieted a little bit,

1696
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: and we did get the Sioni Takie talkie deal done.

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01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: Reportedly by Mary kay Well, she said in the next

1698
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: few days it should get done. One year, two and

1699
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 1: a half million dollars for Talk to come back and talks.

1700
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: That makes me very It makes me happy for him.

1701
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: I just wonder when he's gonna ready to play. Yeah, yeah, legitimate,

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01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's when, well, when did he get it

1703
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: was Houston? Is that December? It was Houston? It was

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01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: Watson's first game. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so like that's

1705
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: a it was certain. I mean there are six games.

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01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,440
Speaker 1: That was what our twelfth game of the year. Yeah,

1707
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 1: so yeah, late, um, that'll be interesting to see. I'd

1708
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: love to see Anthony Walker come back too, to be

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01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: honest with you, Yeah, I mean, for sure, I would

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01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 1: love to. I I'll tell you it doesn't I think.

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01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: You know, Ben said this in the interview, like there

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01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: it's not as fast and furious as I think people

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01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: thought it would be. Yeah, well, and I think that.

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01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: I think I think we kind of go through that

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01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 1: every year. You get all this excitement about free agency,

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01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: and then there's an initial wave and then things kind

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01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: of sort out over the next few days and weeks. Uh.

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01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: And you know, the best values come on not day

1719
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: one guys. Day one guys come at a huge premium. Uh.

1720
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: And it's not often that those things work out, is

1721
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: the truth of it. Sometimes they do, but sometimes they don't.

1722
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 1: And something you know, for example, a guy like Chandler Jones,

1723
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 1: you send him to where he'd been so productive and

1724
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 1: ares own in New England before that, he goes to

1725
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 1: the Raiders. He's always opposite Max Crosby. They're gonna be elected,

1726
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: and he just had a down here. I mean, it's

1727
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: just free agency is hard. How people fit with schemes

1728
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: sometimes can be difficult. But you know, you've got holes

1729
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: and they've got to be addressed through a combination of

1730
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,759
Speaker 1: in this case for the Browns, a combination of free agency,

1731
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: the draft, and maybe some trades. And that's where Andrew

1732
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 1: Berry has been so good, and even John Dorsey before

1733
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 1: him is in the trade market. You surprise the what

1734
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:30,799
Speaker 1: are the Raiders doing that? They're not tanking because obviously

1735
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: garoppolos you, I mean, I don't think you can tank

1736
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: when you've got Davante Adams and Darren Waller and Hunter

1737
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: Renfro and Josh Jacobs, can't you. I mean, that feels

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01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: like a team that isn't tanking. It feels like a

1739
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: team that feels offensively as though they can compete. So

1740
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: they view I could say clearly the Garoppolo is an

1741
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: upgrade over Car or at least a net neutral and

1742
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: he's ten million a year cheaper, ten million cheaper, so

1743
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 1: they can try to add some other things, right, yeah,

1744
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 1: because you're not a contender and you're at best third

1745
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: in that division in a preseason ranking at best and

1746
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: most likely fourth. And the other thing is with Garoppolo,

1747
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's it, you know, just like Kyle Founder,

1748
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a ceiling to what that can be.

1749
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 1: And when you're playing against Herbert and Mahomes four times

1750
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: a year. Yeah, and that's part of your operation. That's tough. Um,

1751
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: go ahead from this from Dave Lombardi. The list of

1752
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: players who have suited up for the both of forty

1753
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: nine Ers and the Raiders is illustrious. Listen this list,

1754
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: it's actually pretty good. Jerry Rice, Well, I mean Rice

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01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: and Lot right away, Jerry Rice, Jim Plunkett, Ronnie Lott, Roger,

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01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: Craig rod Woodson. I would not have had that Charlie

1757
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: Woodson played for the Niners. I mean either I remember

1758
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: with the Raiders, Charlie Garner, who was electric, Alden Smith

1759
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: or Random Moss. Tom Rathman, Wow, Randy, So it was Randy?

1760
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: Was it Minnesota to the Raiders then to the Patriots resuscitation? Yeah,

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01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: I believe that's right, Tom Rathman, Bill Romanowski and now

1762
01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. It's a pretty good. It's well, that's pretty solid.

1763
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: You're probably the starting strong safety on the All NFL

1764
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 1: team is a Lot and the starting receivers Jerry Rice.

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01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 1: So that's the fact that they both did it starts

1766
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: there is a pretty good Yeah, jumping off point for that,

1767
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, so you wait on Rogers. That's an interesting

1768
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 1: tidbit on Ben. He said, it's pure speculation, but it

1769
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 1: nevertheless it's relatively educated speculation. If we know Ben a

1770
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: little bit, yep, that Rogers could be waiting on some

1771
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 1: sort of date with a contract before anything happens there.

1772
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: But those things are blown in the wind and for

1773
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: some reason he retires and flakes out on the Jets.

1774
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: They've missed out on everybody else. They've gotten nothing because

1775
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: they were the front runners for car. They were right

1776
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 1: in the mix on him, they were interested in Garoppolo.

1777
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 1: Now those guys are gone. They would have nowhere else

1778
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: to turn if Rogers doesn't come to Fruition, you can't

1779
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 1: run back, Zach Wilson. Now, no, no, and Mike White

1780
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: has gone. I don't know. I mean maybe throw Jacoby

1781
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: were setting there. I feel like, but he could. Yeah,

1782
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 1: but it goes Zach Wilson, Right, Yeah, No, I don't

1783
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: think you're ever going back to that. That feels like

1784
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: that's done, so much more to come. You listened to

1785
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown's Daly on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland Cleveland Brown's

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01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,519
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01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: Ohio on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. Pretty quiet here, buddy,

1788
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,600
Speaker 1: in the last hour or so, you're not up. Not

1789
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,719
Speaker 1: a whole lot going on. That's just in from Tom Pealaicero,

1790
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 1: not us, not us. The Bengals are resigning linebacker Jermaine

1791
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: Pratt three years twenty one million in per source ten

1792
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 1: point three five and year one fifteen point five over two,

1793
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 1: started fifty four career games now staying Cincinnat. That was

1794
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 1: one of the guys we got right. That was one

1795
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 1: of our predraft guys that we wanted and he's ended

1796
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 1: up being a pretty productive player for them. From Trey Wingo,

1797
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: hearing Rodgers to the Jets is done. Wingo, Wingo selling

1798
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 1: the mix, Wingo. They're battling. Maybe he's fishing for something,

1799
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: because he's not. But for anybody doesn't Rodgers to the

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01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Jets is done. History about to repeat itself between New

1801
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: York and Green Bay. Time is indeed a flat circle.

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01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: This is a two fifty two. So well. One of

1803
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: the other things about Wingo is because of what he

1804
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 1: did for so many years at that level, he would

1805
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: there's no question of access to people that oh yeah,

1806
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: I would give him STO, so he would definitely have that.

1807
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think most of us assume that that

1808
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: was the case, that it was Jets or not. Yep,

1809
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: there's really no other way for it to go. We'll

1810
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: tell you what I mean. It just this conference is

1811
01:28:56,439 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 1: an absolute monster. I mean, now you're going to have

1812
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: in the in the East, Buffalo, Miami if they can

1813
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: get a quarterback, and Green and the as I say,

1814
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: Green Band, the Jets. In our division, you've got Cincinnati,

1815
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: You've got us, maybe Baltimore, the West everybody, I'd right

1816
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: out Las Vegas, but Kansas City, the Chargers in Denver

1817
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: with Sean Payton. And then in the AFC South you've

1818
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: got the Jags. That's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

1819
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: eight nine, maybe ten teams that think like we could

1820
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 1: win things go correctly, we could win the super Bowl. Yeah,

1821
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 1: that's a lot in one conference. And the NFC it's

1822
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: the Niners, the Eagles, Cowboys. Will talk yourself into it. Yeah. Yeah,

1823
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: it's a shame he did not need to come in this.

1824
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Speaker 1: All right, the next level coming up next. We're back tomorrow.

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