WEBVTT - 4/8/25: US Clothing Brand Sounds Alarm On Tariffs, Trump Pulls Chair For Bibi, Tucker Warns On Iran War, SCOTUS Greenlights Trump Deportations 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.599 Hey guys, Saga and Crystal here. 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:05.240 Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.840 and we are so excited about what that means for 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:08.720 the future of the show. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.760 This is the only place where you can find honest 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.280 perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.680 not exist anywhere else. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.080 So if that is something that's important to you, please 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.599 go to Breakingpoints dot com. 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And Andrew 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.400 recently did a video talking about the effects of tariffs 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.400 on smaller fashion brands like himself, and so we thought 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.040 that it would be great to actually have him on 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.400 the show and to discuss So the video you put 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.240 out is three ways that the new tariffs will affect 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.720 for fashion brands like yours, So why don't you just 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.000 break some of this down for the audience. Andrew and 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:00.760 tell us at some point do you actually run one 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.080 of these business clothing textiles, something that obviously there's been 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.040 a lot of outsourcing on will affect somebody like you. 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.280 Thank you for the opportunity to come on today, and yeah, 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.399 we're still trying to navigate all of this. There's a 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.440 lot of uncertainty in the air. But the number one 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.319 thing that we wanted to touch on was the increased 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.880 costs that we face. We bring in all of our 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.440 fabric for our denim, which were Denim Brand that's what 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.200 we make the most of from Japan, and the new 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.360 tariffs are we're looking at about a twenty four percent 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:37.880 additional cost on fabric that's coming in. I think something 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.240 that's difficult for customers to understand, and we saw this 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.160 in the comments section of the video that we posted, 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.880 is that a ten dollars increase in raw materials doesn't 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:51.160 just result in a ten dollars increase at retail. You know, 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.280 we're part of a value chain model, which means that 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.760 we buy the fabric, we contract a factory to produce 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.080 it for us in the US in San Francisco, so 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:03.040 we are made in America company, and then we wholesale 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:07.360 it to retail stores around the world. These wholesale accounts 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:12.239 are store owners. They have small boutiques in parts of America, 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:16.320 in Europe, in Japan and Asia, and then they need 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.760 to mark that garment up in order to sell it 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.880 to their customers. And so if our costs go up 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.280 by ten dollars, in order to preserve our margins, we 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.040 have to increase our wholesale cost, and then that wholesale 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.519 cost needs to also translate to a higher retail cost. 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:34.000 So that's why a ten dollars increase in just materials 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.120 could result in a forty to fifty dollars increase once 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:41.200 it hits market. And we've found a lot of customers 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:42.440 calling that like that's greedy. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.800 Why can't you just increase. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.480 It ten dollars at the at the very end and 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.079 call it a day. And the reality is that, like 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.320 everybody has a business to run, we all have employees 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.160 to pay, we have healthcare to cover, we have in 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.680 our case, we provide retirement accounts for our small team. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.239 You can't do that if your margins continued to decrease. 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.160 So that's a really difficult thing. The customer is going 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.480 to face some sort of price increase, and it's going 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.680 to be a lot more than just the straight raw 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:10.200 materials that. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.919 Are coming in. A second thing that I talked about 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:14.359 was uncertainty. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.800 As a fashion brand, we don't just design things and 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:23.000 then release it to market. We have to design it, 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.440 We bring it to trade shows, we have people pre 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.840 ordered garments, and then we go to production on it 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.560 based off of whatever orders they place. That helps us 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.440 to be more efficient. We're not just guessing at what 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.520 to make in these cases. We have to quote a 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.280 price so that the retail stores can decide like is 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.520 this something that my customers can afford? Is this something 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.280 that I feel like I can present at a reasonable 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:50.160 cost to them? Now, we already just went to Paris 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.760 in January to sell our fall Winter twenty five collection, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.280 and we had to give them prices on it. This 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:59.880 is pre tariffs, and so we produce garments in the US, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.160 we produce them in Peru, we produce them in India 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:09.520 and in Portugal. So Peru's the only one that's subject 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.440 right now to the flat ten percent. India has a 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:16.680 twenty six percent additional tariff, and the EU also is 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.640 facing additional tariffs. So now we stand to have to 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.680 pay more for that finished garment to land in the 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.960 US than what we had quoted the price on. And 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.560 that's really difficult for us because somebody is going to 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.240 have to take a margin, you know, a margin hit 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.840 on that. It could be us, the brand, We could 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:34.760 just eat it and then we end up not making 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:35.760 any money at wholesale. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:38.320 It could be the retail store. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.200 We might have to split the difference with them if 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:41.719 they don't want the cost to go up too much, 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.200 or we might all decide like, hey, there's no way 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.400 that we can function as businesses and we're going to 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:47.280 all have to. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:47.960 Increase the cost. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.640 That's going to cause some stores to bow out of 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.839 their their commitments. That means that we now have to 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:57.560 you know, hold extra stock and be more inefficient as 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.160 a company. That means we're going to have to discount 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.440 or offload somehow. We try to be very careful with 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.840 the quantities that we set. We try not to overproduce, 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.479 but that's just unavoidable. We've already had some Canadian customers 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.440 cancel orders this spring season because of the game of 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.679 Chicken that you know, we played with Canada and Mexico 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.960 just a month and a half ago with the five 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.040 percent tariffs, there was too much uncertainty. They were like, 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.760 hold our shipments, we can't take anything right now. Wow, 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.360 they had already placed orders for fall winter twenty five. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.800 I'm almost certain that they will cancel orders. And then 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.960 the third one is just deterioration of overseas markets. What 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.520 happens when trade wars begin is that other nations or 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.360 other regions begin to try and find ways to cooperate 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.240 because they need to get their products from somewhere. So 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.719 in twenty nineteen there was a free trade agreement that 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.640 was established between the EU and Japan, and so all 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.359 of our EU accounts are now able to bring in 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.719 great denim and great clothing from Japan. This is the 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.200 same country that makes our fabric, so they're very good 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:01.600 at making this niche product that we do. And if 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.360 you're a retail store in Europe and you can buy 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.039 stuff from Japan with no tariffs, and then you have 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.520 to be faced with the decision of am I going 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.600 to buy from this American brand that's going to cost 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:15.240 me even more than it did before, You're probably going 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:19.200 to make your decisions Accordingly, business just goes in the path. 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:20.599 Of least resistance of course. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.839 Yeah, we spent a decade trying to cultivate this market 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.240 in the EU and we're finding success and stores like 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.680 the brand, they like the product, it just becomes cost 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:29.960 prohibitive for them. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.360 So, Andrew, let me ask you this. 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.000 So I think what the President has supporters and people say, 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.400 you know, this is good for the long term for 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.400 the country. What they would respond is, you know, it's 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.159 short term pain. Yes, we get it. We understand that 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.040 this is going to cause issues for you, and it's 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.720 going to cause potentially prices to go up for consumers, 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.480 but it's going to create an incentive structure for business 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.080 owners like yourself to bring the entire supply chain for 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.880 your product here internally to the US and will create 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.799 additional jobs in the US. So over the long term, 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:04.920 this is going to be a better direction. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:06.400 What is your response to that? 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:08.960 And also, you know, just walk us through, like what 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.360 would it entail for that to actually occur for you? 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.400 Yeah, I mean what I would respond to that is 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.920 that a lot of these small brands don't have five 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.480 years or ten years to be able to build up 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:27.680 infrastructure and to reshure these things that America doesn't do anymore, 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.920 and I'll just keep it super super focused on genes 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.760 because that is what most customers know us for, they 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.480 come to us for. And so a lot of people 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:39.720 who are not familiar with our brand, when they saw 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.400 this video go viral, they're like, why don't you just 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.160 make it in America? And to the extent that we're 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.040 able to, we do. We employ a factory in San 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.720 Francisco that used to make genes for Levi's before they 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.400 offshore production. We entered there fifteen years ago as the 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.160 smallest brand there and now we are their biggest client 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.080 and they rely on us business. But the fabric that 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.239 we use, and I don't know if this is getting 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.640 too niche, but it is salvage denim. It is denim 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.320 that is woven the way that denham used to be 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.640 made in the forties to the sixties, when it was 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:15.920 more than just a work where fabric it was something 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:20.640 that people needed longevity out of. And it's a slow 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:25.720 and almost antiquated way of making denim that is largely 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.240 unavailable in the US. There are a few small mills 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.120 that still exist here, but the biggest one was Cone 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.440 Mills White Oak in North Carolina, and they closed in 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:39.960 twenty seventeen to lack of demand. Customers are not accustomed 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:46.880 to paying for clothing. Derek Guy die workwear on Twitter 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:51.240 and Blue Sky. He shared on one of his threads. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.800 In the early nineteen sixties, US household spent twelve percent 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.040 of the income out apparel, and that would be four 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.960 one hundred and fifty seven dollars in today's dollars. In 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.760 twenty sixteen it was four percent, so eighteen hundred dollars. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:05.800 But that's not because people are buying less clothes. They're 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.640 buying more clothes, they're buying cheap clothes. We're in niche brand, 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.880 we're small. We try and make clothes the way that 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:16.679 they used to be made. We pay attention to fabric, details, construction, 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.840 and the best denim in the world is being made 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.560 in Japan. It's not because they came and brought up 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:24.400 all of our old looms. 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:25.040 That's a rumor. 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.120 Japan has a long and storied history of textile development, 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:33.360 and they've invested into this industry, and there's also a 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.800 domestic appreciation for that craft and that level of authenticity 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.800 and fabric and it's just not achievable at that level. 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:42.560 And I know that may hurt for some people to hear, 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.080 but as a brand, it's our prerogative to make the 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.640 best possible product for our customers, and so it's not 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.880 a matter of us being scared that this is going 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:53.439 to cost too much. We just want to maintain a 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.400 level of quality, and so there are no options for us. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.520 For a little story, about six or seven years ago, 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.719 an email came in our inbox. It almost seemed like 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.040 a scam, but someone's like, do you want to buy 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.240 all these shuttle looms? Shuttle looms are the looms that 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.360 make this salvage dentim and we like, there's no way 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.240 this could be. It turned out that they were. They 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.640 were looms from the shuttered you know, Cone White White 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.440 Oak mills. In order for this whole story to work 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.640 for us to offshore, you're asking us as a brand 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:28.640 to come and buy looms, start a factory, start making fabric. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.600 We have no expertise in this. We didn't go to 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.640 school for textile development. We do know how to manage 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.080 a factory. There would be so much inefficiency, we would 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.640 probably mess up a ton. We would probably shut We 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.160 definitely would have shut down. There's no way that there 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:43.839 was this would have been an option for us. 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.920 So basically, if you were to pursue this path of 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:48.960 I would just do it all in the US. You 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.560 would have a lower quality product and it would cost more. 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.080 It would cause it would yes, if we were not 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.000 going to go and own our own open our own mill, 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.520 it would not be the product would not be at 0:10:58.520 --> 0:10:59.600 the level that we would want. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.600 And that's I think that's very important for people to understand, 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.120 is that the administration is putting this all on you. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.640 They're not offering you any tax break, They're not offering 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.559 you any relief for anything in the interim. And then 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.760 even on the cultural point, I think this is so important. 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:13.360 You know, as you. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.839 Said about Japan, they have a literal decades long history 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.480 of appreciation for craft. They have a cost structure built 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:25.840 in to preserve that their tax incentives, economics incentives, cultural 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:29.720 incentives to build an entire ecosystem which actually does produce 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.520 something that many of the people who push this policy 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.760 extensibly want a return to quality away from fast fashion. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.000 And so as somebody involved and again creating an extremely 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:42.200 high quality product, something that I literally purchase myself, what 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.280 are thus you know, what are the headwinds that you 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.640 are swimming against with the rise of fast fashion, which 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.080 ostensibly is something that they're trying to stop and boost 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:54.080 someone like you, Is this policy actually just going to perhaps, 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:57.040 like you know, increase the amount of fast fashion consumed, 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.200 cheaper goods that people will turn to in a time 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.800 of depression, Like have you seen a reduction perhaps in 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.320 demand like you said with Canada and Mexico. What is 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:06.360 the net effect of all of this? 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.760 Yeah, I mean the only way. So we already talked 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:12.600 about customers going to face they are going to face 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.839 increased costs. There's no way around it. I don't know 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.439 when that's going to happen. I don't know when it's 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.120 going to take effect. Even for us, I don't know 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.120 when our next shipment of fabric is going to get hit. 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.160 We have a huge shipment of denim that's supposed to 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.199 land in three to four days. I don't know if 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.440 that's subject to the new terraffs or the shipment after that. Like, 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.000 we're not going away, so we're going to have to 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.800 take another shipment. But customers will face increase costs. For 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:39.440 the brands, it's going to be difficult because every brand 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:43.360 is going to have to decide whether they want to 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:48.559 increase costs or lower quality, or maybe some metric that 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.440 involves both of those two things. If they feel that 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.720 their customers cannot stomach and increase in costs, they're going 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.640 to have to reduce quality. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.959 They're going to have to cut corners in terms of the. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:00.800 Fabrics they use, that construction, they may have to move 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.640 to a different facility, any number of things. So there 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:07.040 is a cost all the way around. And we've already 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.280 established that. You know, it's not that people are buying 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.480 less clothes, they're just spending less on them, and so 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:14.840 I don't really see that changing. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:20.240 Yeah, last question for you. Your video went viral. You know, 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.800 people who are trying to understand what this means for 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.640 individual business owners. I think really got a lot out 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:27.400 of it. I certainly got a lot out of it 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.520 watching it. Are you nervous at all about its virality? 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.400 Given you know this president can be very punitive if 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.640 someone is speaking on against him. You know, you see 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.760 the way that a lot of business leaders have made 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.120 efforts to getting close with him so that they don't 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.080 face retaliation. Is that something that concerns you all at all? 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.440 In just speaking out on the basics of how this 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.400 will impact your business and your future. 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:53.760 I mean, I'm talking to the t also. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.080 Not too nervous anyway. 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.199 No, it's been surprising. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:00.840 I think when we meet the video, we just tried 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.040 to speak from the heart, and we also tried to 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.400 speak in a non partisan ways, just like, hey, this 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.479 is what's happening to us, this is our perspective. 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.760 There was no political leaning. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.240 I don't think in the things that we shared was 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.760 just the reality of like the types of decisions that 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.320 we're going to need to make in the coming weeks 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.520 and months. We're a pretty small fish. I hope that, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.240 you know, we're not really attracting that kind of attention, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.840 but you know, I do think that people want to 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.760 hear from small businesses. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.360 Like ours, definitely that are you. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.360 Know, we're actually really trying to like making stuff in 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.600 America is has been central to what we do. When 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.920 we started making jeens in two thousand and eight, our 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.800 first samples came from China and they didn't come in 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.800 construction wise at the level that we wanted. So we 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.320 went we found historic factory that had been making geens 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:56.160 in America for decades and decades and they're staffed by 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.080 I don't know if I'm opening another can of worms here, 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.000 but they're staffed by immigrants. The people that make your 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.920 clothes don't in America, don't always look the way that 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:08.160 you think that they do. They're all legal citizens, but 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.680 they all came to America with a skill set that 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.480 America does not cultivate in a meaningful way either anymore. Right, 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.560 I mean, like I want to, I had homec class 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.560 in middle school. Maybe that dates how old I am, 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.200 but I don't think that that really exists anymore. People 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:22.600 don't even know how to put a button on their 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:23.160 shirt anymore. 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:23.440 Yeah. 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:29.040 To expect this to come back, and to expect American 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.880 citizens to want to embrace these jobs. If there hasn't 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:37.080 been a high value placed on craft and manufacturing, it's 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:37.680 going to be tough. 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:38.360 Yeah. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:43.920 Well, I think Soccer's point and your point that in theory, 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.080 this policy is meant to support people like you. You know, 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.760 it's meant to push people more towards Okay, spend a 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.040 little bit more, but it'll be higher quality and it'll 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.200 be you know, from companies that put an emphasis on 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.200 making things here. And so the fact that even for 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.880 someone such as yourself and your business. You see this 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.920 as a major challenge to have to overcome. I think 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.000 is very illuminating about the practical realities of the policy. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:06.720 Andrew. 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:08.520 We can't thank you enough for taking the time out 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.680 to talk to us and explain your perspective on all 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:10.880 of this. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.440 Thank you, Andrew. Thank you for making the clothes that 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.240 you guys do. As I said, I'm a loyal customer. 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.680 I'll continue to be and I encourage everybody out there 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.240 if you can, we'll put a link down on the scription. 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:20.160 You should go check them out. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.280 Thank you for the time and the opportunity. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:23.320 See it's our pleasure. 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.560 All right, let's go ahead and get to bib Netanyah, 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.280 who's meeting with Trump at the White House. We can 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.400 go ahead and put this up on the screen. Yes, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.720 ladies and gentlemen, he did once again push in the 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.680 seat for his dear friend, the ICC indicted war criminal 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:45.320 bb Netanyaho. It's especially galling because this comes on a 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:49.840 day when we found out that the Israelis have murdered 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:54.240 another American. This was a Palston American child who was 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.120 shot dead. Two others were shot and wounded by Israeli forces. 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.800 In the occupied West Bank reporting from Ryan our friends 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.240 over at drop Site News. By the way, make sure 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.600 and help them out because they appear to be getting 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.120 significantly suppressed and buried over on Twitter. If you try 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.439 to search for them, they don't come up, So make 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.240 sure you're supporting Ryan and drop Site and Jeremy over there. 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:17.159 In any case, let me go ahead and read their 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:18.440 report and keep this up on the screen. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:19.120 Eric, they say. 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:23.280 Omar Mohammad Ravella, a fourteen year old Palestinian with US citizenship, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.520 was shot and killed on Sunday by Israeli forces near 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.080 the West Bank town of turmas Aya. I'm sorry, guys, 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.959 northeast of Ramala. Two other Palestinian American boys, age fourteen 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.240 and fifteen also shot and wounded, one in the abdomen, 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.520 the other in the thigh. Both were taken to a 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.960 nearby clinic. There's no dispute from the Israelis that they 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.680 were responsible for this killing. They say that this American 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:48.840 citizen was throwing rocks towards a highway, so that was 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:53.480 the reason for his killing. The President making, i guess, 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:57.840 not exactly making news, but reiterating his commitment to the 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:02.720 US having a peacekeeping force in a Gaza Strip that 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.240 has been ethnically cleansed of all Palestinians. 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.000 Let's go ahead and take a listen to what he 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:07.560 had to say. 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.959 Well, you know how I feel about the Gaza Strip. 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:14.440 I think it's an incredible piece of important real estate, 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.800 and I think it's something that we would be involved in. 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.119 But you know, having a peace force like the United 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.359 States there controlling and owning the Gaza Strip would be 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.119 a good thing because right now all it is is 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.879 for years and years, all I hear about is killing 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:34.520 and Hamas and problems. And if you take the people, 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.800 the Palestinians and move them around to different countries, and 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.199 you have plenty of countries that will do that, and 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.560 you really have a freedom, a freedom zone. You call 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.800 it the freedom zone, A free zone, a zone where 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:49.639 people aren't going to be killed every day. That's a 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.439 hell of a place. It's a you know what, I 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.440 call it, a great location that nobody wants to live 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.760 in because they really don't. And when they had good living, 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.280 when they have good living living, where Hamas and all 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:06.240 of the problems, the level of death on the Gaza 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:11.359 Strip is just incredible. And I've said it, I don't understand. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.080 Why is your LEVI gave it up? Is you loaned it? 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.240 It wasn't this man so I can say it. He 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.439 wouldn't have given it up. I know him very well. 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:22.240 There's no way they took ocean front property and they 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:23.639 gave it to people for peace. 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:25.080