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Speaker 1: Break Rob Phillips joined by Nick Eatman, David Hellman, Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Kent Garrison producing next door Inside the Garrison. Cowboys beat
Speaker 1: the Raiders by eight paper thinnest. Hey saw what I
Speaker 1: did there, Dave you Punster twenty to seventeen to stay
Speaker 1: alive in the wild Card Race. One of the wildest
Speaker 1: games you will ever see. Maybe I should start here
Speaker 1: with a couple guys that have over the league for
Speaker 1: a long time, cover the Cowboys a long day. You
Speaker 1: ever seen one like that? No, that took the cake.
Speaker 1: I was sitting next to Dave on the way back
Speaker 1: and I was doing the math. That made me do
Speaker 1: the math on how many games I think I've covered,
Speaker 1: and we were right around four hundred. Mickey, I know
Speaker 1: you're probably a lot more than that, probably another zero
Speaker 1: on there, but zero. But I know a kid, but
Speaker 1: I've never. I've never. I can't remember one. And even
Speaker 1: if there had been some crazier games, not one with
Speaker 1: the season on the line. Like do all these things.
Speaker 1: The season is over and I don't remember one like that. No, Dave,
Speaker 1: in the last five years, have you seen one like that? No,
Speaker 1: that was Game one O two and that takes the cake. Man,
Speaker 1: you were the one that said it. Yet, like all
Speaker 1: that's all that stuff. I mean the width of an
Speaker 1: index card between first down and turnover on downs. Not figuratively.
Speaker 1: They literally took an index card out and used it.
Speaker 1: Not we're not hypothesize. That's what I wrote. I've never
Speaker 1: I've never said the word index card in any of
Speaker 1: the columns I've ever written. It was his. It was
Speaker 1: his note card, you know how they take it out
Speaker 1: and they write their stuff down on it. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was your tweet today you brought back some science terms.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing I've ever used an index card
Speaker 1: for his like flash cards like mitochondria, uh DNA, you know,
Speaker 1: like you flip it over and you got the definition
Speaker 1: on the back for your biology quiz. Like that's what
Speaker 1: I use. Index compressive that he had one at on demand,
Speaker 1: like he already had one in his podcast. They carry
Speaker 1: it with him. Yeah, they like they write down the timeout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm something They got a nokate for after the game,
Speaker 1: pull it out on the Raiders break this morning, they're
Speaker 1: asking why are we folding it up? Then? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: made it so it was kind of thick. Maybe he
Speaker 1: wanted thicker, so it was a first doubt. Actually, I
Speaker 1: think what Derek said when we were eating lunch. He
Speaker 1: used it as a ruler to go from where the
Speaker 1: stick was to visual mick, Yeah, he said, yeah, so
Speaker 1: he was trying to line it up like parallel to
Speaker 1: the ground. Did y'all read the the I wrote the
Speaker 1: stories uncomfortable just to read it as I don't know
Speaker 1: who asks the question, Tim Wait, how you say his name?
Speaker 1: Gene's territory or it was know this he was in there,
Speaker 1: but a bulldog kind of ruined a season, right the
Speaker 1: des ref Yeah, this is I think Deaz even said
Speaker 1: he was like, well, maybe this makes up for that,
Speaker 1: and he stopped and he was like, nothing makes up
Speaker 1: for that. But at least we got that right. Seens
Speaker 1: territorious And I mean, you know, fourth and inches on
Speaker 1: the goal line, like you do you go for the touchdown,
Speaker 1: then your cornerback I'm like, who who? All four of
Speaker 1: us thought that Anthony Brown blew that game? Right. He
Speaker 1: said it after the gate, he said, I thought I
Speaker 1: let my team down. I had a lapse, should have
Speaker 1: had the pick. And then what was a fifty five
Speaker 1: yard penalty on Jordan Lewis right after that, and that's interference.
Speaker 1: You're set up in the Oakland red zone or that,
Speaker 1: I mean the Dallas red zone, and I remember telling Derek,
Speaker 1: you're looking at the clock. You're like, man, they might
Speaker 1: have a chance. If there's eighteen seconds here, there's only
Speaker 1: time to run two or three players. But they had
Speaker 1: forty They had forty four seconds from the time they
Speaker 1: got set up there until game over. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, there's no way you're keeping them from at
Speaker 1: least tying the game, if not winning. And then Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath happens, you know, and Jeff Jeff Heath always happens.
Speaker 1: Jeff he that's going, Mickey, that's a lion right there.
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath always, you know. And I'm tweeting that out
Speaker 1: later today. Jeff as Heath, well, everybody wants to cut him.
Speaker 1: It's always all he does is make plays. The play
Speaker 1: he made two plays in a row, like the second
Speaker 1: down pass over the middle of the crabtree. He knocks
Speaker 1: that ball down. That was a big play. Now, I
Speaker 1: was also Hitchens got hurt. And then on third down,
Speaker 1: of course he makes the hit, but he's, you know,
Speaker 1: just just the irony I guess of him not picking
Speaker 1: up the fumble earlier in the game, and then he's like,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. I'm gonna make I'm gonna save
Speaker 1: the season here later. And he saved the season for now.
Speaker 1: And he if he had his choice, he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: talked afterwards. He doesn't like he hates that. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter of Sack. I thought he was gonna do it
Speaker 1: with his hood on his he had to like a
Speaker 1: hoodie switch, and he finally pulled it down. Well, there's
Speaker 1: voice never goes up and down. I know I wasn't there,
Speaker 1: but it was. His first two answers were, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was just kind of any other play, you know. I
Speaker 1: just chased him down. You're inflecting too much. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like kind of any other player, you know. I
Speaker 1: saw him running, you know, I thought I could get
Speaker 1: the corner. Uh, you know, he reached out and I
Speaker 1: just saw it. I pushed him and grabbed something real quick.
Speaker 1: I saw I went through the end zone. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: haven't even gotten there, haven't gotten there yet. Here we go.
Speaker 1: There he is. See he's been with us now with
Speaker 1: the team. Just I mean, okay, I speaking of Ezekiel Elliott. Yes,
Speaker 1: I get it. I'll stop beating this horse in a minute.
Speaker 1: But like we're an index card and a fumble through
Speaker 1: the end zone away from like who cares? Like you're like,
Speaker 1: do you even play him? What's the point? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And now you're saying and you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys still they got to win two games and
Speaker 1: they need help, Like their odds of making the playoffs
Speaker 1: still are not great, but all that crap had to
Speaker 1: go right for them to even have it, for for
Speaker 1: this Chris Masive game to even mean anything. And now
Speaker 1: you got Zeke back, and it's just that's so this
Speaker 1: season though, it's it's so yeah, can I piss off
Speaker 1: a lot of our fans? Absolutely? You got to give
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett some credit here, you have to. I don't
Speaker 1: know that. If they don't want to, that's fine. But
Speaker 1: you know the coaching Green Bay, their their team. Where
Speaker 1: did they go four and four something like that? Three three?
Speaker 1: I mean, kept kept a float there with Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: was your best player. It didn't look good and there's
Speaker 1: no doubt about it him oh and three start. But
Speaker 1: they found a way to kind of keep grinding here
Speaker 1: and and figuring out how how to win without some
Speaker 1: key players, not just Zeke. So you know, I thought
Speaker 1: they've they've done a nice job of just making it
Speaker 1: relevant here at the end. Well, we could speak to
Speaker 1: three plays in particular that he called or he had
Speaker 1: ultimately signed off on the fake punt. Amazing. I mean, now,
Speaker 1: was that a Chris Jones special? Was it? Was that
Speaker 1: a look he got you talked to him. I think
Speaker 1: they my guess, and he wouldn't tell no, and they
Speaker 1: don't want to say, you don't want to say what
Speaker 1: the key was, right, And I'm thinking, you know, the
Speaker 1: guys upstairs probably head he punted before. That wasn't his
Speaker 1: first punt, was it. I think so the third quarter,
Speaker 1: because they did do that for you. No, they had
Speaker 1: punted some because I know they went a long time
Speaker 1: without punting. It seemed because you had an interception, touchdown,
Speaker 1: field goal touchdown or something like that. Yeah, they they had.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they had pus. He punted at least
Speaker 1: once in the first half. Okay, so maybe they saw
Speaker 1: something upstairs and said, hey, beware if they line up
Speaker 1: like this, fourth and eleven from your I know eleven, hey,
Speaker 1: And we were sitting there, Nick goes, he only ran
Speaker 1: twenty four yards and I said, yeah, you forgot the
Speaker 1: ten ye standing behind the right scrimmage. He was running forever. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so whatever, that's a lot of nerve. Well there's that,
Speaker 1: and then the next play, I believe they run a fleef. Hey,
Speaker 1: how long you've been calling for that? In years? I
Speaker 1: love it. I love the play. I would honestly, I've
Speaker 1: said it a thousand times. I don't see why you
Speaker 1: wouldn't run it almost once a game. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: What would be the drawback there, especially if Zeke's on
Speaker 1: the field exactly what Zeke on the field. It's different
Speaker 1: because if that safety's thinking when he gets the boat,
Speaker 1: we'll watch out, because he could pitch it back. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what you want. Now, it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: a fifty yard bomb all the time. I don't think
Speaker 1: he even threw it to the right guy. I think
Speaker 1: the other guy streaking over the middle man and if Terrence,
Speaker 1: I mean he stopped running, y'all see it looked at it. Yes,
Speaker 1: he stopped running. Yeah, it's like he's slowed up. But
Speaker 1: I love the call. I love the back to back,
Speaker 1: like we got to do something here. The irony it
Speaker 1: looked like quarters coverage, like it wasn't there at all.
Speaker 1: If I need to see it again, if there was
Speaker 1: a guy opened over the middle, I didn't see him,
Speaker 1: but like Terrence, that was not there, and I mean
Speaker 1: it didn't come back to bite him. You know in
Speaker 1: college with the three guys or receiver passes like a
Speaker 1: reverse pass, yeah, and they try to tell the receiver
Speaker 1: like if it's not there, don't throw it. But they've
Speaker 1: been practicing this play forever, right you No, they're gonna
Speaker 1: throw it. Yeah. I still feel like that's the way
Speaker 1: it is with when you do a flee flicker, like
Speaker 1: I'm throwing it. I feel like that was um two
Speaker 1: years ago. The McFadden passed to Hannah like it wasn't
Speaker 1: there either, and he was like, well, we've been working
Speaker 1: on this forever. I'm gonna chuck it. It was like
Speaker 1: at the tail end of the twenty fifteen season, I mean,
Speaker 1: they called to play, so might as well run it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, I can either run for no
Speaker 1: gain or just try to throw this pass and it
Speaker 1: didn't work out. But remember that play yep a once
Speaker 1: a game that's your car because like I'm just thinking,
Speaker 1: like how many times do you see that during an
Speaker 1: NFL season? Real? Okay, don't that played that often? Right?
Speaker 1: But this is why number this is why I would
Speaker 1: do it. Number One, you have an offensive line that
Speaker 1: that can hold up because you got a block, you
Speaker 1: gotta turn and pitch and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And two with Zeke, those safeties are always trying to
Speaker 1: cheat it kind of cheat up forward a little bit,
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't know. I mean maybe that
Speaker 1: that's too too much. But how is team's gonna I'm
Speaker 1: onto you guys. You guys would like to do the
Speaker 1: flee flicker like okay, yeah, stay back. Yeah I might
Speaker 1: not stay back there because we could be pitching it
Speaker 1: back and then you don't do it twenty eight times
Speaker 1: a game, and then you're safety just take oh man,
Speaker 1: I gotta go. That might be all you need for
Speaker 1: a four or five. I just don't see the drawbacks.
Speaker 1: I've asked them some coaches before. Anyways, I love the call.
Speaker 1: I love the aggressiveness there in those two plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two in a row by the coaching staff. And then
Speaker 1: we mentioned the index card play well before that. Actually, no,
Speaker 1: that's the same play or going for fourth and one
Speaker 1: on your own thirty nine And I looked at you
Speaker 1: guys were on the Cowboys sideline. I was like, they
Speaker 1: have to be lining up right now just to try
Speaker 1: to draw off sides, and they ran the play. I
Speaker 1: just I was surprised. I know they trust their offensive line,
Speaker 1: but the game is tied. It's tied. You're not in
Speaker 1: a desperate situation. Necessarily, you play to win the game.
Speaker 1: I get it, but I mean, that's a gutsy call, man,
Speaker 1: It's a hell of a gutsy call. But it should
Speaker 1: always be the call, honestly. Thirty nine Yeah, not midfielding. No,
Speaker 1: I can't stop the quarterback and they didn't stop it.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter about the day part or not.
Speaker 1: They're gonna throw Jason Garrett had his flag in his hand.
Speaker 1: If that was gonna be that's uh. I've heard, and
Speaker 1: I haven't had a good look at it. We were
Speaker 1: on the sideline by that point. But I've heard from
Speaker 1: so many Cowboys fans that are like, if you look
Speaker 1: at the overhead, it's not even close. Kind of like
Speaker 1: go back to Green Bay when Zeke reached the extra
Speaker 1: half yard or whatever. If you say so. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if Jason Garrett was willing to throw his flag
Speaker 1: over it, that's great. But they got it. There were
Speaker 1: multiple players that said it was a bad spot. That
Speaker 1: was an extremely bad spot because when he hit the pile,
Speaker 1: his head was further and then he reached the ball
Speaker 1: over somebody's shoulder and at that point he was way
Speaker 1: past that line, which is fine, which to your point,
Speaker 1: all of the credit in the world that Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: I loved it, and then you get down on the
Speaker 1: goal line and I'm just like, you gotta, you gotta
Speaker 1: do it again. You have to, you gotta, And he
Speaker 1: didn't and it worked out. But I wanted that one.
Speaker 1: I wanted the one last aggressive. I think they should
Speaker 1: have gone for it on fourth down, the one and
Speaker 1: not just that. But if you want to nitpick Jason there,
Speaker 1: Rod Smith has kind of become your hammer down there, right,
Speaker 1: And they went to Alfred who who they trust, But
Speaker 1: I didn't work out. You end up going with a
Speaker 1: conservative call. Would you think of that, Mick. I thought
Speaker 1: of going for it because the worst thing that could
Speaker 1: happen is they got the ball to one yard line
Speaker 1: and the odds of them going all the way. But
Speaker 1: then you're saying, Okay, I'm going in zone for a touch,
Speaker 1: I'm probably going yeah right, I'm probably going into overtime.
Speaker 1: And I think the way that game was going, the
Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is go over what
Speaker 1: I think people are forgetting too that if the Raiders
Speaker 1: get the ball at the one yard line and you
Speaker 1: Cowboys have two timeouts, I don't think they're gonna be
Speaker 1: like overly aggressive like because they're gonna try to I
Speaker 1: mean where they wouldn't think so they might run Marshawn
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Maybe you call time out, maybe
Speaker 1: you don't. You might be getting a punt back around
Speaker 1: midfield with about twenty five thirty seconds to go. I had.
Speaker 1: I had the same feeling when they kicked that goal
Speaker 1: that I had when Dak scored against Screen Bay, like
Speaker 1: that it's this and I thought about that in my
Speaker 1: head too. I didn't want to kick to Patterson And
Speaker 1: I even said to you or I said, I what
Speaker 1: if there's some fifty yard PI. Like I was already
Speaker 1: thinking about that and that happened, which is weird because
Speaker 1: when he was kicking that direction, he was getting the
Speaker 1: ball deep in the end zone. Yeah he did, And
Speaker 1: then that one landed right at the end line, I
Speaker 1: mean the goal line. He just like hapif Will was
Speaker 1: the other I saw what he was warming up going
Speaker 1: to our right. They were coming up short, but to
Speaker 1: the left. He was powering it through the end zone,
Speaker 1: and then that one came up, and I'm sure they
Speaker 1: weren't sitting there going, oh, let's kick it so we
Speaker 1: can go down and tackle him inside the twenty five
Speaker 1: after he's already returned one against you for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Goodness for the penalty. Right was barely getting checked on
Speaker 1: at one point, though he did. They showed it on television.
Speaker 1: He got hit from behind, tried to make the tackle
Speaker 1: on the one of the retacks, right, Yeah, the one
Speaker 1: that was fumbled. I think he got hit by one
Speaker 1: of his own guys, as a matter of fact, if
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, and something happened with his leg. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was a bruise or he got
Speaker 1: his ankle caught, but yeah, I think that gets didn't
Speaker 1: that called a game winning field goal? I believe that's
Speaker 1: a game winning field Taylor was asking me about that
Speaker 1: last night. I don't. I would call it a go
Speaker 1: ahead like game winning to me implies that it was
Speaker 1: like the last play of the game. But or you
Speaker 1: like you know, but yeah, I mean it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was the deciding points, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 1: it was. You could have made that one from no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I couldn't know. Jeff Heath might have been able to yes,
Speaker 1: sor I was rolling that night. They should have thrown
Speaker 1: him out there. Just let the goat do goat things.
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson sacks seven times last night. What all right,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about them lay well, yeah, we'll get to
Speaker 1: big picture stuff for sure. Have they quit, we'll see.
Speaker 1: There's either that or they're gonna be pissed off as
Speaker 1: hell right now. That's im I know, because they're gonna
Speaker 1: get home on Christmas morning at like one am. I
Speaker 1: know that I know very well what happened to Seattle.
Speaker 1: But write them off at your own peril, that's oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we've learned. This is a week to week league, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cowboys lose three straight games by twenty or more points.
Speaker 1: You think they're done, and then they rise up and
Speaker 1: win three straight. Now they're eight and six, eight and six.
Speaker 1: And look at the Raiders. Everybody wrote them off after
Speaker 1: they got behind last week twenty what was the twenty
Speaker 1: six to nothing before they even scored, and all they
Speaker 1: were talking about was how embarrassing the effort was. And
Speaker 1: then they give that effort. Yeah. I asked Jason Witton
Speaker 1: about it last night. I was like, where where does
Speaker 1: that rank for you? You know? And he like, though
Speaker 1: he threw out oh six wildcard loss, the fumbled field goal,
Speaker 1: the Dez catch game, and then the playoff game last January.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's right up there in the top three
Speaker 1: or four craziest at least craziest fourth quarters. That I
Speaker 1: mean that, I think anybody you two struggle to come
Speaker 1: up with something. Any other can go. You can go
Speaker 1: back to the regular season game in Buffalo when Romo
Speaker 1: got intercepted five times and turns it on at the
Speaker 1: end and they end up pulling the game out. But
Speaker 1: I think you have to factor in the stakes like
Speaker 1: with this. Oh yeah, because that was an October game,
Speaker 1: regular season game. Yeah, this is technically a playoff game.
Speaker 1: I mean in a way when the Detroit game the
Speaker 1: week before in the twenty fourteen uh playoffs were I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of, like, really this controversial call. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like there's like what every time I think
Speaker 1: about I mean, I think back and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that game was wild. Like oh, like when Green Bay
Speaker 1: came back on him here in twenty thirteen, that was wild,
Speaker 1: but like it was all so much more normal, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it was normal stuff. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would just plays, but it was just football. This is
Speaker 1: this was something else between you know, the there there
Speaker 1: what hey, there was a controversial catch call in this game?
Speaker 1: Um what's his name for Moakland? I can't even remember?
Speaker 1: Is the wide receiver? Uh yeah, forgive me for not
Speaker 1: knowing his name off the top of my head. Was
Speaker 1: it Roberts? Yes, Seth Seth Roberts. Thank you? That juggling, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was that. There was the index card the unlike
Speaker 1: the challenge. It was the fumble out of the end
Speaker 1: that you didn't kind of remember now every time you
Speaker 1: see it on replay seven times really slow. But that's
Speaker 1: not what the Cowboys coaches have. And it's like it
Speaker 1: was third down that was a critical play. I didn't
Speaker 1: mind the challenge. The ball was on the ground, it matter,
Speaker 1: and they never got to see if his hand was
Speaker 1: underneath the point of the ball when they showed him
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: hate the challenge, but at no point did I think
Speaker 1: that they had a good chance of winning it. Really
Speaker 1: after I saw it for the first time. But well,
Speaker 1: well just it was crazy, bonkers bat s if you
Speaker 1: will there, it is sat bleep crazy football game. Hey,
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Speaker 1: Thanks Mick. The whole three hours as the plane ride back,
Speaker 1: I had to stand up at the end. My legs
Speaker 1: were so sore because we weren't high enough over that
Speaker 1: front row. So I was like on my toes sitting
Speaker 1: up in my chair. And then he liked, my legs
Speaker 1: are sort not the most not the most comfortable environment.
Speaker 1: But if you couldn't hear, you couldn't see the game.
Speaker 1: At least you had the radio that's right podcast off
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Speaker 1: with any Ye White analyzing the game. That was that
Speaker 1: was a unique environment. I think I said that on
Speaker 1: the pregame show. Dave hung out in the black hole
Speaker 1: for a little bit pregame was awesome. Can't before we
Speaker 1: go to our call or you were involved there too,
Speaker 1: you were over there? Yeah, half full of something else. Guys.
Speaker 1: It's uh, the rumors are true. What they say about
Speaker 1: the black hole. It was. It's quite an experience. Quite
Speaker 1: a few different costumes and such, people yelling some things
Speaker 1: that I am not going to repeat on the air.
Speaker 1: And most of all, Yeah, they gave Dak a beer
Speaker 1: shower after he scored a touchdown. I've never seen that
Speaker 1: one before. And you were right there in between Dak
Speaker 1: and yeah, so yeah, I was. I was a little sweaty,
Speaker 1: So thank you cooled me off a bit. That's the
Speaker 1: only positive I can say. But I've never seen that
Speaker 1: for these are adults, guys. Let's just you pay nine
Speaker 1: bucks for a beer, don't just throw it on the field.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of money, immature, you spend on
Speaker 1: a beer to throw it at the field. I love.
Speaker 1: That's the second time you've said that. It's like, not
Speaker 1: really about players safety or anything. It's about your throwing
Speaker 1: beer on the field. Like, don't it's a waste of
Speaker 1: a perfectly good beverage. What hat were you wearing? What
Speaker 1: hat was I wearing it. Was it Cowboys? Was it
Speaker 1: a Cowboys? Cowboys? So you probably yeah, just the fact
Speaker 1: that I was wearing the hat. I got so many
Speaker 1: of those that hat all yeah, yeah, you proach well
Speaker 1: I worked for the team, so yeah, so so do I.
Speaker 1: But I was pretty careful not to be having the rationale.
Speaker 1: And those guys seem like it really works, Like Sara,
Speaker 1: I worked for the team. Ooh, that's awesome. Oh in
Speaker 1: that case, go on buy sir. It's fine, you're fine.
Speaker 1: We're not going to throw anything at you. Jack Dak
Speaker 1: works for the team, too. Coated in Miller light, Dak
Speaker 1: had a yeah, Dak kind of gave him a little
Speaker 1: yell after he scored and directed it at the black Hole, like, sorry, guys,
Speaker 1: I kind of spoiled your night. But Des got involved
Speaker 1: there a little bit of it. Did he have to
Speaker 1: change jerseys? I don't think so. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if he noticed. Did there somebody on the raidar some
Speaker 1: linebackers walking in with like, oh, I traded with Dak.
Speaker 1: It's just like fells like Heineken or whatever. I don't
Speaker 1: even know. Did they can't? Did they throw Dez a ball?
Speaker 1: He said it was a hat. It was a hat
Speaker 1: and he spiked said he no, he said he back
Speaker 1: dunked it. Yeah, he said afterwards, he's liked Honestly, that's
Speaker 1: my kind of party, man. Yeah, I want to mix
Speaker 1: it up. They want to get rowdy. That is that's
Speaker 1: like a college ATMISP. There's really there's really only like
Speaker 1: five buildings in the NFL where it feels rowdy and
Speaker 1: raucous like a college type environment. And that was definitely
Speaker 1: what well. We we had the binoculars on when that
Speaker 1: touchdown was going on, and I remember looking down and
Speaker 1: you know, and I saw, well, there's Kent right there,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people had kind of moved off
Speaker 1: to the corner and and Knt turns around and start
Speaker 1: shooting up into the crowd, like, oh, this would be
Speaker 1: a good shot. So a boy can't with a great
Speaker 1: one year. You know that is hanging in there. Look
Speaker 1: at the atmosphere stay, folks. Reminded me of Pittsburgh last year,
Speaker 1: just the environment and the relentless nature and the costumes
Speaker 1: and everything black everywhere. It's another pretty crazy fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Forgot about that. Get to a game, Get to see
Speaker 1: some good games. When you follow this team around, it wasn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they like to keep it interesting. Still though that was
Speaker 1: all football stuff, Like you know, why didn't I did?
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about index cards and touchbacks and calls
Speaker 1: and calls, and I mean I said it several times
Speaker 1: about you know, just the game of inches. We saw
Speaker 1: it four or five times in the game, right Beasley,
Speaker 1: go back to the third quar Beasley touching that player,
Speaker 1: I mean in Smith off the ground, and and just
Speaker 1: the heightened the subplot of ref Gene. Yeah, first game
Speaker 1: ref and a Cowboys game since the des catch. Oh
Speaker 1: and he's involved in in index and he's laughing, he's laughing.
Speaker 1: The look, the look on his face when he got like,
Speaker 1: you know, he kind of pulled away from the chains
Speaker 1: and walked over to signal first down, Like he looked
Speaker 1: like he was just smirking from ear to ear. And
Speaker 1: I don't care what he says. He had to have
Speaker 1: been thinking like, oh, let's see what Cowboys fans think
Speaker 1: about me now first down. And you know what, he's
Speaker 1: a pretty sharp guy because he did one of those
Speaker 1: clinics during training camp. He was like the guest speaker
Speaker 1: for the rules and he's pretty sharp. His I think
Speaker 1: his brother does basketball. I think he does too. He does.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a high school basketball ref like during
Speaker 1: the week and stuff. I know Peter King followed him
Speaker 1: around for a week or two a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: but he will. He's now involved in like two of
Speaker 1: the most insane moments of recent Cowboys history, which actually
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that. It seems like like the
Speaker 1: Raiders in particular, like they just have all these moments
Speaker 1: like the like they have all these moments with names
Speaker 1: like the Name Game, the Immaculate Reception, the Heidi Game,
Speaker 1: the Sea of Hand ends, the Holy Roller, whatever the
Speaker 1: hell else, to the Post, the Tuck rule. So what
Speaker 1: is what are we gonna call? There's three of them? Oh,
Speaker 1: there's well, there's two and the one the Index Card game.
Speaker 1: I guess they purposely was it Stabler fumbled the ball,
Speaker 1: that was the whole Yeah, that's the Holy Roller, Holy
Speaker 1: Holy Roller, Sea of Hands, Heidi Game, Tuck Roll, Immaculate Reception.
Speaker 1: It's it's unreal. You could call like Kent said, and
Speaker 1: there goes to the post with Dave casperd Yeah, something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, but I feel like they got another one.
Speaker 1: But you know, I thought to do better than Inde. Well,
Speaker 1: you could call you can you could label that, you
Speaker 1: could nickname the Derek Carr touchback thing. I mean that
Speaker 1: was that itself was crazy. No, but that's what I
Speaker 1: wrote about last night. I wrote the story I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care what you say. You can argue with
Speaker 1: me fifteen years from now, when the memory of this
Speaker 1: is kind of hazy and like Jeff Heath hasn't played
Speaker 1: football in a while, you're not going to think about
Speaker 1: the touchback. You're not going to think about like the
Speaker 1: Dez game. You're not gonna like you're gonna think about
Speaker 1: the index card. That's what's to stand out. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be like remember that game and at the Oakland Coliseum
Speaker 1: with the before the Raiders moved to Vegas and Jeans
Speaker 1: Territory pulled out an index card. Like that's what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do. You know what's gonna happen too. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be a game between like you know, Nevada and and
Speaker 1: Boisey two years from now where it's gonna be real close,
Speaker 1: and the coach would be like, where's your index card?
Speaker 1: Like can you just check and see, like do you
Speaker 1: have a card? Because I saw it at one time
Speaker 1: in a game like you put your card down, Like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't have a card. That's become like the next
Speaker 1: step of confirmation. Yeah, just put a card down. There's
Speaker 1: got to be something we can do with card and
Speaker 1: yard in car. Yeah, well, I'm gonna work on something
Speaker 1: index car. Nice card, the cardyard, I'll work on it.
Speaker 1: That's the card. The longest card. That's not bad. That's
Speaker 1: not bad, Robert, the shortest one. All right, can't we
Speaker 1: still have a call on the line, like, yeah, Demitris
Speaker 1: and port Worthy, I'm not doing what's up? Oh that
Speaker 1: was a crazy year old learn so many bad worlds,
Speaker 1: like I'm sure before then. Yeah, yeah, a little bit,
Speaker 1: little bit one statement, man, Nick eaven Man, we got
Speaker 1: to get you down in that shineline. Man. We got
Speaker 1: to get you to talk to Scott lineam man. They
Speaker 1: need to listen to you, and we got to get
Speaker 1: you to have a meeting, uh with the genum two man.
Speaker 1: They need to to your advice. Man, I like a
Speaker 1: lot of what you say, Which one do you like?
Speaker 1: Because they didn't work? No, no, not the speed they
Speaker 1: received the big hum de sense to tackle in the middle. Uh,
Speaker 1: just a lot of what you say. Man, Man, they
Speaker 1: just I tweeted you before and they maybe you should
Speaker 1: not talk because maybe the coaches listened, and they're like,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna listen to some writer. Chaillok, got to run.
Speaker 1: I think I tweeted I tweeted at you that before.
Speaker 1: But h I appreciate and I really noticed, um cabin
Speaker 1: praises the defense needs to be better. When cabins on
Speaker 1: the tree of them, barn is out like it's just possible,
Speaker 1: like just have bow and come in and like come
Speaker 1: a bit to see he was in entire ends and
Speaker 1: like play taken more and uh is it time to
Speaker 1: think about it? Then stands totally. He'll laugh because, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, the defense of backfield is playing wave that
Speaker 1: without him, and I don't see many as many missed
Speaker 1: tackles as I do when Skandrew's go to steal. Okay,
Speaker 1: thanks called him Metriest. I can actually answer that second one.
Speaker 1: Skendricks set himself on Friday. These guys are playing well,
Speaker 1: and I want to give myself the best chance to
Speaker 1: be successful. There's no need for me to rush right
Speaker 1: now with the way they're playing. But a mature attitude, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for him, which, yeah, I mean, you know, I'm sure
Speaker 1: he wants to get I don't back. I don't think
Speaker 1: I like that. I'm now I don't know if I
Speaker 1: like it either. I mean, well, he doesn't. I think
Speaker 1: there's no reason to rush back. No, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to hurt the team by trying to rush and not
Speaker 1: be one hundred percent. That was that was the way
Speaker 1: he put it. I got broken bones and he it was,
Speaker 1: and he was complimenting how the young players are playing, Dave.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it was a mature answer. I answer.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think so. I guess I get where
Speaker 1: you're trying to go with that. But like he's got
Speaker 1: broken bones in his back. I'd rather he'd just be
Speaker 1: one hundred percent or let these guys play. That's what
Speaker 1: he meant. Yeah, he didn't feel that way about Romo though,
Speaker 1: Tibetan Romo back out there? At which instance are we
Speaker 1: talking about the time he got hurt us? But at
Speaker 1: least you have a committee. Yeah, one game you have
Speaker 1: a committee of sound like missing one game you got
Speaker 1: a committee of corners that can step in and help there.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of a different scenario. But I
Speaker 1: think I would disagree with with one of the statements
Speaker 1: that he made about you know, the corner. The corners
Speaker 1: are playing well and they're scrappy, but you know they
Speaker 1: they gave up some some pretty big plays last night too.
Speaker 1: And and I think having Scandrick back there would certainly help.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, I don't know how that goes.
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't want to put he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to come back if he's not ready, because then that's
Speaker 1: when you get b It's when you get exposed. And Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, but like you think about that from
Speaker 1: a selfish standpoint, but that's also a good at like
Speaker 1: why why are you going to be out there if
Speaker 1: you're gonna expose the secondary? Like I don't need that.
Speaker 1: I think wants to be out there. It's he's ten
Speaker 1: years in the league. They still got a chance to
Speaker 1: go the playoffs here if he if he can play,
Speaker 1: you play two years. Let's remember this is a more
Speaker 1: difficult position to play with that injury than quarterback. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's I had to grade this game. It's this is
Speaker 1: it's a this is a tough I want I want
Speaker 1: y'all's opinion on this. This is tough to grade how
Speaker 1: these DBS played because how many passes they broke up?
Speaker 1: How many passes did they break up? I will answer
Speaker 1: that for you. I want to say it was like
Speaker 1: six seven or eight? Uh one two three four or
Speaker 1: five six seven? Yeah, Heath with one, Jordan with one,
Speaker 1: Cheeto with one, and Anthony Brown with three. Byron Jones
Speaker 1: also with a big one too. Hey, okay, I hear hey,
Speaker 1: but if no, I mean Derek, I'm sorry, But Derek
Speaker 1: Carr through thirty eight passes and finished with one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy one yards or one hundred one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy one yards two touchdowns. Cheeto gave up two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: Jordan had the you know, almost backbreaking defensive pass interference.
Speaker 1: But it's hard for me to look at this, you know,
Speaker 1: against the guy that was an NFL MVP candidate, and
Speaker 1: say that they were bad. Certainly, there's I mean, there
Speaker 1: were some growing pains, to be sure, but I thought
Speaker 1: they played well overall. I mean, there was two big
Speaker 1: plays for the Raiders. They had the cars run on
Speaker 1: third down? Was it thirty two yards? Yeah? DBS didn't
Speaker 1: have anything to do with that. And then the pass
Speaker 1: interference other than that they didn't move the ball. That's
Speaker 1: what we were talking about that. I think Derek and
Speaker 1: I were talking about that on the sideline. Like some
Speaker 1: people on Twitter were giving us a hard time because
Speaker 1: we said Michael Crabtree wouldn't be an issue for the secondary.
Speaker 1: And he had two touchdowns on Cheeto Woozier. But look
Speaker 1: at his number. Yeah, he caught seven of seventeen targets
Speaker 1: for thirty nine yards. He scored two touchdowns nine yards
Speaker 1: on seventeen target It really did seem like they were
Speaker 1: laboring to get up the field. You know, every nothing
Speaker 1: came easy for them in this Patterson had a kickoff
Speaker 1: return to midfield that that led to one of their touchdowns. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had the interception um that led to some points.
Speaker 1: And Mark, I mean Marshawn Lynch hit him for some
Speaker 1: nice runs. I mean, he's he's a tough guy to
Speaker 1: deal with. But overall seventeen points, I mean, I thought
Speaker 1: that they handled him pretty well. I thought the d
Speaker 1: pretty well handled him, but they he had he has
Speaker 1: some tough sledding, you know, he I mean, he will
Speaker 1: fight for extra yards, but he had to fight for it. Again.
Speaker 1: They did a pretty good job of ganging up on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were hit around the ball. Demetrius mentioned Cavon Frasier.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think of the way he's playing.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him do anything in pass coverage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I said that on the on A show
Speaker 1: last week. Is I think you know, cavan and Heath
Speaker 1: have a knack for being around the ball and they hit,
Speaker 1: and they hit well more often than not. Byron and
Speaker 1: uh and Xavier Woods are a little better in coverage,
Speaker 1: but they're not necessary, Like they aren't around the ball
Speaker 1: as much and they haven't always tackled as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: you saw what they did when they went to the
Speaker 1: dime late when they moved Byron into the slot on
Speaker 1: the tight end and Anthony Brown and then they put
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods back at safety with Jeff Heath. So that
Speaker 1: kind of tells you what the coaching staff thinks of
Speaker 1: Cavons pass coverage. Yeah, now close to the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: coming up and making hits. Yeah, absolutely. I think he
Speaker 1: was like second or third in tackles that you have,
Speaker 1: like six Cavon had six tackles. Way to go, Mick
Speaker 1: and a tackle for loss for that later so I
Speaker 1: feel the same way about the safeties as I did
Speaker 1: in July, to be totally honest with you, which is like,
Speaker 1: you've got four safeties, all of which do something pretty well.
Speaker 1: They don't have a single guy that does everything great, Like,
Speaker 1: they don't have a guy where you're just like, he's
Speaker 1: rock solid. He needs to be out there all sixty
Speaker 1: snaps Landing Collins type. They don't have a land In
Speaker 1: Collins or an Earl Thomas. It would be nice if
Speaker 1: they did, but and that's I don't expect him to
Speaker 1: change these guys roles very much. I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: keep seeing this rotation down the last two weeks. It's
Speaker 1: been working, and they've managed to more often than not,
Speaker 1: put these guys in a good position. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't see why you try to make a sweeping change
Speaker 1: with two weeks left in the season. Just keep keep
Speaker 1: this thing going and worry about how you're going to
Speaker 1: play the position next year when it's time to do.
Speaker 1: I think they've done a good job of figuring out
Speaker 1: each guy's role, let him play it situational football, and
Speaker 1: just keep rolling them in because sometimes you know, you
Speaker 1: see Cavon Frasier out there and he plays thirty five
Speaker 1: plays and you're going, Okay, this is great. Well, now
Speaker 1: what happens when he plays sixty? That was the question
Speaker 1: with Wilcox last year. Right, they earned a rotational role
Speaker 1: of twenty snaps a game because he was much better
Speaker 1: than when he was a starter. And along the same line,
Speaker 1: like people kept asking me last night, I assume they
Speaker 1: were asking y'all too, like where'd Cheetoh go, where'd Jordan go?
Speaker 1: Or they hurt when I'm like, no, they're They're like,
Speaker 1: they're basically platooning the second and Darry that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1: They're bringing guys in in certain situations and on certain series.
Speaker 1: And I get why that can be frustrating, especially when
Speaker 1: you want to see your young draft picks. But like
Speaker 1: I said, since they started doing this against Washington, it's
Speaker 1: been working more often than not. And I think Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown's earned the right to get back out there a
Speaker 1: little bit more because they gave him some series outside
Speaker 1: it back. Just catch the ball, I mean, don't don't
Speaker 1: try to catch it on your should catch the ball
Speaker 1: scores right, yes, oh yeah, well he's gone, or well
Speaker 1: he could have just caught it and fallen on the
Speaker 1: ground and the game he's gonna go score. That's fine,
Speaker 1: do it. Just I had a bad feeling they were
Speaker 1: going to lose the game when they kicked the fuel goal,
Speaker 1: and then that shot up another ten notches when he
Speaker 1: dropped that. I was like, that's that's how you lose
Speaker 1: games in the NFL as when you're gifted the game
Speaker 1: and you don't take advantage. I'm sure this person exists.
Speaker 1: I know it does in the world. A diehard Steelers
Speaker 1: fan who hates the Cowboys. Tough Monday for you. Not good.
Speaker 1: I mean, they had a game strolling from them because
Speaker 1: of a fetch rule. Then they lose, They lose their
Speaker 1: best player, maybe the best player in the league. They
Speaker 1: lose home field advantage to the Patriots, and it's like
Speaker 1: the team that they haven't really ever been able to
Speaker 1: get past. Like both teams had a quarterback with a
Speaker 1: brain fart whatever, thank you? Yeah, I know, if I
Speaker 1: should say sure, brain fart, let Dave say that's the internet.
Speaker 1: How do you how does he experienced quarterback like that
Speaker 1: thrown interception when you got a field goal to send
Speaker 1: it an overtime. That's about as painful a way to
Speaker 1: lose a game, as I've seen in a long time,
Speaker 1: you could just be have a chance to tie the game.
Speaker 1: And he reached the ball out the pylon when you
Speaker 1: have a first down and you get hit by Jeff
Speaker 1: and could have gone out of bounce. It just ran
Speaker 1: out of bounds. The most again, like we watched the
Speaker 1: end of these games from the sideline, and the most
Speaker 1: amazing thing of that whole thing. So that happened in
Speaker 1: the far corner. We were on the Cowboys sideline. It
Speaker 1: happened on the Raiders sideline, probably on the twenty, and
Speaker 1: it happened at the two. So we're eighteen yards downfield
Speaker 1: and fifty three yards across the field, so sixty seventy
Speaker 1: yards away. I have no idea. I'm like, he either
Speaker 1: scored a touchdown or he's out at the one, Like
Speaker 1: those are the two options that I am aware of.
Speaker 1: And Matt Eberflus just comes charging down the sideline and
Speaker 1: he was even further up the field, and he's just like,
Speaker 1: that's a touchback. That's a touchback. Get the offense out.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, how how did you? How could you
Speaker 1: put that together in the moment like way was doing
Speaker 1: it too he was doing this like it's over believable. Yes,
Speaker 1: they watched enough ball that Jeff Heath. Jeff Heath didn't
Speaker 1: know what happened and he made the play. He looked out,
Speaker 1: he said, he rolled over and he saw you fumble,
Speaker 1: but he didn't know if his knee was down or
Speaker 1: what exactly happened. It was it was him. I guess
Speaker 1: it was Lee. I mean somebody that was that was
Speaker 1: kind of I could just see somebody pointing in all that,
Speaker 1: and I just looked over and saw Eberflus just flying
Speaker 1: down the field and like looked over to them. I
Speaker 1: was like, I think Cowboys just won this game. And
Speaker 1: there I was like, how how did they win the game?
Speaker 1: What do you tell Derek was like, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's first and goal at
Speaker 1: the one. Yeah, it doesn't seem good at all. Brian
Speaker 1: brought us his strange Lady theory is getting stronger and
Speaker 1: stronger after watching this football game. All right, let's let's
Speaker 1: not give Brian brought us credit for hypothesizing that the
Speaker 1: NFL is weird and stuff happens. It fills a strange lady.
Speaker 1: Tony Jim he likes to say it a lot, but
Speaker 1: it's not like he came up with that. It's been
Speaker 1: going on forever. Well I know, but I like the
Speaker 1: phase said do you think you should get credit? But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: for sure I was. I was very mean to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys after they lost that Chargers game, and they have
Speaker 1: responded their showing you they are, hey, I'm happy to
Speaker 1: eat crow. They I don't. I don't. I feel I
Speaker 1: felt justified and like they they looked like a team
Speaker 1: that had mailed it in. They lost three games by
Speaker 1: a combined seventy points. So did in those games when
Speaker 1: you came up with that at hypothesis, did you just
Speaker 1: decided they got to the second half and said, you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't want to play anymore. I think
Speaker 1: the first half was okay, though I think overall, like
Speaker 1: three games first, yeah, first half's fine, but like by
Speaker 1: the end of these games, especially the Thanksgiving game, when
Speaker 1: you're basically I don't know if it was exactly five hundred,
Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty eight passing yards to Philip Rivers,
Speaker 1: really the Keenan Allen, the Keenan Allen touchdown when five
Speaker 1: I think five guys miss tackles on his way into
Speaker 1: the saw about two of those plays yesterday watching games
Speaker 1: where wide receiver weeds through the entire defense. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I say this a lot when teams, and maybe Cincinnati's
Speaker 1: doing it, I don't know, but when when you feels
Speaker 1: like they're kind of quitting a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: think you quit on Sunday. I think you just quit
Speaker 1: on Wednesday and Thursday and Friday and your preference, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you don't quit on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday and
Speaker 1: play your ass off on the first half on Sunday
Speaker 1: and then decide the second half. I'm out, Well, I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think I agree with that. I mean, like you,
Speaker 1: you give it your best shot and it starts to
Speaker 1: go against you, and you're like, well, here, here it
Speaker 1: is again. All of a sudden, we're down seventeen when
Speaker 1: we had a chance to be in the lead point
Speaker 1: being obviously that wasn't the case. But I challenge anybody
Speaker 1: to find any I mean, ninety two to twenty two
Speaker 1: is the composite scored or in that three game losing streak,
Speaker 1: and it was the other what was the other stat
Speaker 1: that went through all those games? But not having Sean
Speaker 1: Lee one of them, one of them good. And the
Speaker 1: quarterback was sacked fourteen times in three games. But I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a million reasons for it, Mickey, Still, that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they quit. Literally, like the tangible reason for it, Well,
Speaker 1: I think I think they. I'm not trying to put
Speaker 1: words in your mouth. I think you. I don't know
Speaker 1: what are you saying that they did? I mean you,
Speaker 1: you made that statement, but I don't think you really.
Speaker 1: They looked like a team that had to me. Okay,
Speaker 1: they did right, absolutely did, and down the streat and like,
Speaker 1: I get all those things, and all those factors combine
Speaker 1: to add to the frustration, give you where you're like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't have our best players. We we we are
Speaker 1: the team that we're supposed to be. That makes it
Speaker 1: more frustrating. And I even I don't know how many
Speaker 1: times I said in my life, the twenty fifteen season
Speaker 1: was so amazing because as bleak as it was, they
Speaker 1: were in every game right down in the final stretch.
Speaker 1: They lost seven of those twelve games by a touchdown
Speaker 1: or less. So to see this team get blown out
Speaker 1: in such convincing fashion three straight weeks, it's something we've
Speaker 1: never seen before. How about this that the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: eight and six, they're hovering at you know, average or
Speaker 1: above average. But that was the first win of the
Speaker 1: season that was not double digit win. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: It is crazy. Is easily the least dramatic season of
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's tenure here, and that's just in terms of
Speaker 1: the results of the games, which maybe they tried to
Speaker 1: make up for the whole thing last night, because I mean,
Speaker 1: they crammed about five games worth a drama in a
Speaker 1: one fourth quarter out there. Yeah. Lord, hey, I got
Speaker 1: a theory though, Seriously, you need the Lions to lose.
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis came out and said that this is going
Speaker 1: to be his last game, his last season with that
Speaker 1: with the Bengals. His last home game is Sunday the Lions.
Speaker 1: He's saying that I thought they say that. The report
Speaker 1: came out and he blew it off, like I don't.
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis, Well, then you're gonna then you're gonna get
Speaker 1: fired either way. This is probably gonna be his last
Speaker 1: home He's been fifteen years there. Wow, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's better if Detroit wins. Why tell me, Okay, gonna
Speaker 1: end up at the end of the break. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: let's yeah, No, I need to hear that. I need
Speaker 1: to hear this because I've be't saying it wrong. Then
Speaker 1: let's let's take her final break. Come back, talk a
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Speaker 1: We'll touch on Zeke as well, and some injuries coming
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Speaker 1: We only got ten minutes left in the show. Appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys joining us on a Monday. Cowboys win twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen over the Raiders in improbable, crazy fashion. So big picture,
Speaker 1: they're eight and six. I'm trying to put it to
Speaker 1: Dave's been on this thing. Oh yeah, I forgot Mick
Speaker 1: explain why it would be good if the Lions won.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm going because Detroit satan six. They'd be
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys. If the Cowboys went out, which team
Speaker 1: is are they most likely to tie with? At ten?
Speaker 1: At six? That would be bad? I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: bad planner, right, Well, that would because they lose a
Speaker 1: head to hit. Yeah, all right. If there's a three
Speaker 1: way tie, and if Atlanta and Detroit haven't played each other,
Speaker 1: they have head to head, they have each other they
Speaker 1: have that's Atlanta wins. That ruins my theory. Atlanta wins
Speaker 1: that tie. They won games against both of them, and
Speaker 1: the head to head tiebreaker with Detroit comes down to
Speaker 1: common opponents, right, and as it's assuming they both went out,
Speaker 1: Detroit would have a better record in games against common opponents.
Speaker 1: They beat the Packers and the Cowboys didn't. It's the
Speaker 1: only game is the past. It's common opponents after conference record, yes,
Speaker 1: and they would be the same, and then it would
Speaker 1: go to strength. They would both be eight and four
Speaker 1: if they went out right the Lions, it's it's Giants Packers. Um.
Speaker 1: I think there's like one or two more in there,
Speaker 1: but I like the Giant there. The Lions would be
Speaker 1: four and one and the Cowboys would be three and two.
Speaker 1: I think they need the Lions to win to lose
Speaker 1: one of these next two Cincinnati and Green Bay, and
Speaker 1: they need the Falcons to lose two of their next three,
Speaker 1: one tonight or against Carolina. And it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be the Falcons, but it has to be one of those.
Speaker 1: Somebody in the NFC South has to bottom out. That's really.
Speaker 1: They gotta basically get to ten and six. Basically, you
Speaker 1: need Tampa Bay to win tonight. He just I mean,
Speaker 1: that would be really that would be a help. It
Speaker 1: would be huge. But Atlanta has to go to New
Speaker 1: Orleans next Sunday, and they finished the season at home
Speaker 1: against a pretty damn good Carolina team. So I don't
Speaker 1: think all hope is lost. If the Bucks don't win
Speaker 1: this game, but it's sure, it's sure would be nice.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be It's gonna be pretty good now. And
Speaker 1: the question is is what will Green Bay do with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. They're gonna play him, That's why would you
Speaker 1: play him? They're officially eliminated, right. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's not enough, but it's common sense. I thought I
Speaker 1: read that it's it's so much, it's so minuscule, it
Speaker 1: might as well be official. Well, the reports are kind
Speaker 1: of like Romo a couple years ago. The bones not
Speaker 1: fully healed, but he came back anyway. So you want
Speaker 1: to risk your franchise late, I wouldn't just just reset
Speaker 1: it again like Romos. Oh yeah, just no big deal, right,
Speaker 1: just like shave the save off the tips so it
Speaker 1: doesn't crack again. It's like Legos. What's funny is we?
Speaker 1: I think we talked about that last week. Like Detroit
Speaker 1: played Atlanta this year and Atlanta won on that Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that controversy at the goalie was he in? Was he
Speaker 1: not in? And the clock ran out? And that's the
Speaker 1: difference between you having, you know, between Detroit having a
Speaker 1: tiebreaker and not over you. I mean it's it's a
Speaker 1: crazy league, man, it's absolutely nuts. Just win games when
Speaker 1: you score thirty points. I was gonna say, these are
Speaker 1: the types of situations you put yourself in when you
Speaker 1: don't handle your own business. It comes down to that
Speaker 1: Rams game for me. I mean that eleven point lead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even though the Rams are much better than we think
Speaker 1: than the game, they they had a chance to win
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, a chance to put it away in
Speaker 1: the second quarter. I know the Switzer punt return, right,
Speaker 1: Mick yep Okay, I just me and Brian argue about that.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad loss. They put up
Speaker 1: thirty points a game. They look damn good right now.
Speaker 1: That's not a bad loss is Denver. A bad loss
Speaker 1: is the Chargers on Thanksgiving. Any bad any loss where
Speaker 1: you have a double digit lead and you can't hold
Speaker 1: onto it's bad. I don't care if you're playing the
Speaker 1: O seven Patriots. If you're up by eleven points at
Speaker 1: home against anyone, you should figure out a way to win.
Speaker 1: And you hadn't been stopped yet. They scored three consecutive
Speaker 1: possessions to start that game, or they were getting the ball,
Speaker 1: they could have run the ball on second down against
Speaker 1: the Packers too. Well, if Atlanta wins this game, I've
Speaker 1: been informed that Green Bay's officially eliminated. There we go. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they're hanging by a thread. Cowboys have to take
Speaker 1: care of their own business. They got two games left.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Injury updates coming out of the game, Tyron Smith,
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchins, anybody else. I don't like the sounds of
Speaker 1: the Tyron Smith one. It doesn't sound good. Yeah, Tyron
Speaker 1: Smith left with a knee. Stephen Jones said it's not
Speaker 1: as acl but he didn't could sound overly optimal. Even
Speaker 1: if it's an MCO and you Sprain did good, you're
Speaker 1: out two to four. He didn't make it. He didn't
Speaker 1: rule him out, but he did not sound optimistic that
Speaker 1: Tyrn would be ready to go for this game. He
Speaker 1: said he thinks hitch has a better chance, but that's
Speaker 1: still another wait and see. So the Sehawks good on
Speaker 1: defense when all their guys are there, they are, but
Speaker 1: typically yes, well fortunately they're not all there right now. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the one no when he worried about was Mayoa
Speaker 1: went out with a back. Oh I forgot about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I saw him coming out of the locker room.
Speaker 1: And I can't remember who asked him, how he Jason Garrett?
Speaker 1: Were you there right there with Garrett? Asked he said,
Speaker 1: and he shook his head like not good, not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was Garrett. Well that's not good. So that
Speaker 1: gave best White. That's not good. That's why Taco was playing.
Speaker 1: Actually in on both sides, Taco he played pretty well.
Speaker 1: He was so close to sacks. They were so on
Speaker 1: that Anthony Spencer and him, that almost Anthony, I haven't
Speaker 1: I have not watched the tape, but I mean that's
Speaker 1: as much as I remember seeing his jersey, you know,
Speaker 1: like really being an active part of the pass rushing
Speaker 1: the game. Even though he didn't get a sack, he
Speaker 1: it seemed like he was impacting the game. You know,
Speaker 1: the irony of that, the fumble out of the end zone.
Speaker 1: They almost sacked him. He gotta wait, like two guys
Speaker 1: were right on. If they had sacked him, they basically
Speaker 1: would have seidered from a field goal. And we're going
Speaker 1: over to the time out right. Yeah, he got DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had car dead to rights at least twice,
Speaker 1: and it didn't work out for him. Maybe even on
Speaker 1: the interference call too, because they had pressure on him.
Speaker 1: He was just heaving it. Points I saw him point
Speaker 1: Is just just running. Yeah. I mean that was as
Speaker 1: good as a hill. Mary. He just heaved it man,
Speaker 1: all right, So I mean, what did he have to lose? Right?
Speaker 1: It was fourth down, that's true, That's true. All right.
Speaker 1: So before we get out of here, we got about
Speaker 1: five minutes left. We gotta get the Zeke talk right.
Speaker 1: We've touched on it briefly. This is a well funny,
Speaker 1: there's there's not a lot to talk about right now.
Speaker 1: Like he's allow out in the he's here, He's he
Speaker 1: is here, he was he was allowed to get here
Speaker 1: at ten for sick call. He's he's a member of
Speaker 1: the team again. He's Jerry Jones said he had a
Speaker 1: meeting set up with him where they're just kind of
Speaker 1: gonna catch up and status report. He's supposedly been in
Speaker 1: Cabo going through the whole Rocky thing. There's a photo
Speaker 1: of him just looking abtastic, abtastic, fantastic, good word, wow,
Speaker 1: just clearly in great shape. I don't know pictures. I
Speaker 1: don't know when we're gonna hear from mister Elliott. It
Speaker 1: might be today, it might be tomorrow, it might be Wednesday.
Speaker 1: But he's back. He's he's a member of the team
Speaker 1: once again. Why an't we going to see his documentary?
Speaker 1: That's I hear about this, and I don't. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's that's the most twenty seventeen ever thing ever,
Speaker 1: Like you gotta gotta promote yourself. I guess I don't
Speaker 1: gotta figure out how to make money. Yeah, yeah, Well
Speaker 1: you missed six games worth of wages and all those
Speaker 1: legal fees on top of that, like boillion dollars. I
Speaker 1: don't care how much money you're making. You don't your
Speaker 1: nose up and two million dollars of salary and losing
Speaker 1: your guarantees. That's been a tough stretch, right, Like the
Speaker 1: sponsors are going to just be rolling in, right, It's
Speaker 1: gonna be an interesting way. I mean, you know you
Speaker 1: can get into all that. You know, how quickly can
Speaker 1: he pick up where he left off? How much of
Speaker 1: a workload do you give him right away? What's he
Speaker 1: have to say about the suspension. I mean we haven't
Speaker 1: heard him talk since probably the afternoon after the Chiefs
Speaker 1: game November fifth. You're right, we got time to talk
Speaker 1: about him fresh leg. But that being said, what about
Speaker 1: the intangible lift? Because I feel like the guys in
Speaker 1: the locker room after the game, they were focused on
Speaker 1: the win, but a lot of them were asked about
Speaker 1: Zeke and he just said, I think Dez said it
Speaker 1: just the energy he gives us. It's he's our our
Speaker 1: emotional leader, basically, and they haven't had that for six weeks.
Speaker 1: And you got to give credit to what the running
Speaker 1: backs did Rod Alfred in this stretch, but you know
Speaker 1: he's got he's got the home run threat, and he
Speaker 1: does bring kind of an attitude into mentality of this
Speaker 1: offense first and goal in the five to win the
Speaker 1: football game that Zeke the on the field like their
Speaker 1: school aren't a touchdown I think. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: he's been stopped before, but I don't think that you
Speaker 1: you get stopped there. I really don't. And I think
Speaker 1: that's he's the difference maker in those tough short yardage runs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not to mention his presence opening up other things, other
Speaker 1: options off play action, your flee flicker. Dak was playing
Speaker 1: amazing when he was there, and now he's and then
Speaker 1: he got stupid well for three games. Sarcasm button press
Speaker 1: it he goes. That was that was subtle sarca. I
Speaker 1: was like, where are you? Oh, if you do a
Speaker 1: show with him long enough, you can tell he kind
Speaker 1: of mutters it. No. I mean, like the pregame show,
Speaker 1: they went over all his stats during the three game
Speaker 1: losing streak, and the one they forgot was he got
Speaker 1: sacked fourteen times and hit nineteen times in three games
Speaker 1: when you'd only been sacked ten times in eight games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got beat up pretty good. There's a reason for that,
Speaker 1: right knock. Did he forgot how to play football or
Speaker 1: that he needed to learn how to play without Zeke? Um? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I didn't mention his day. I mean, hey, go go figure,
Speaker 1: I get Zeke back, and maybe you're looking at needing
Speaker 1: a new left tackle for the at least this game,
Speaker 1: if not the last two. I don't know that for sure,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like it's at least a possibility as
Speaker 1: you head into this practice week. I mean, Tyro knows
Speaker 1: they gave Byron Bell some help. If they did, and
Speaker 1: when they didn't, it got pretty scary. I had a
Speaker 1: holding call. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean we've seen that
Speaker 1: and that you can lump tiring into that stretch where
Speaker 1: they lost three in a row. He missed two of
Speaker 1: those games, right, yep. So it helps to have your
Speaker 1: all pro players and lost Zack Martin for a half
Speaker 1: of the game. It helps to have your all pro players.
Speaker 1: It does some next level analysis. That is my obvious
Speaker 1: man quote of the week as we wrap up today's
Speaker 1: should you know what that's that escaped a lot of
Speaker 1: people when all they wanted to point out was his
Speaker 1: interceptions in lack of touchdown passes. You know, but Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett prints out t shirts to say no excuses? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well which is which is he does? It's noble he
Speaker 1: does it. But I mean, well, number six or number
Speaker 1: seventy six, no excuses, play like a chance seventy six there?
Speaker 1: All right? Well, thinking of those great players. Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: comes out tomorrow night, does it? Yeah? Official announcement NFL. Now,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Three or four? Four? Give me five?
Speaker 1: Should be five? Give me three? Offensive linemen? Chris Jones?
Speaker 1: Who else you know, Mark Mark Lawrence, Markus Lawrence of
Speaker 1: course tanks in there. I hope Chris Jones makes it.
Speaker 1: I don't think he will make. All they do is
Speaker 1: look at the numbers. Oh I'm saying we got time
Speaker 1: to talk about that tomorrow. Both shows, all three shows
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. Nick, forget Lyle, I have a few
Speaker 1: l all right. I don't know, I just think so
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