WEBVTT - What an AI-Generated George Carlin Means for Us All 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:04.720 Now Really. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:11.360 Really No Really, Hello, and welcome to Really No Really 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.160 with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who remind you that 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.720 this is the authentic Really No Really, and the only 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.800 way to not be scammed by chief imitations is for 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:20.840 you to subscribe. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.040 Don't do it for us, do it for yourself. 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.720 And speaking of chief imitations, today's episode is all about 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:30.800 how the brilliance of the legendary iconic comedian George Carlin 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:36.000 was recently resurrected from the grave by an unauthorized. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.040 AI generated copy Really No Really. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.400 His daughter Kelly Carlin joins us to discuss why she's 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.720 suing the creators, the ethical and legal issues, and whether 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:49.360 content created by artificial intelligence can tarnish a lifetime. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:50.199 Of work and the legacy. 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.599 Plus, we'll share rare and exclusive archival audio of an 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.920 interview Peter did with the real George Carlin that you 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.720 will surely enjoy. And now here's the real old Jason 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.880 and Peter, let me tell you. 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.520 I'm I'm I'm very excited about this. This what we're 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.319 going to talk about today for a number of reasons. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:14.000 One is the subject of our conversation is someone who 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.800 you and I both revered as oh my gosh, as 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.560 one of the most brilliant minds period stop. One of 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:25.440 the most brilliant comedic minds. George Carlin, to me, what 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.880 was so amazing about his career not only was what 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.640 he chose to speak about, what he chose to examine, 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:33.960 the ways in which he did it. But I have 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:38.280 always found comedy is like of a moment. You know, 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:42.200 guys who were funny, their thing was so great ten 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.520 years ago, and they're doing the same thing now and 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:49.440 it doesn't work the same way. George Carlin, that career 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:54.720 spanned decades, and it was always top of the game, always. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.800 Which is why, which is why, if I may say, yeah, 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.360 when this subject came up, I got angry, I really 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.480 got angry. Yeah, because I got I was blessed to 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:06.320 know George for a run of time, and I saw 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.840 how structured is comedy was, how hard he worked on it. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.280 And I want to include Kelly's Here is his daughter, 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.639 Kelly Collins. I want to bring you in to the conversation. 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.400 But Kelly, welcome, by the way, Kelly, thank you, Kelly, 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:18.320 thank you. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:20.880 But you're the reason I got upset and wanted you 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:26.079 in right away. Was because your dad. There's an interview 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.240 I did with Georgian ninety six and you get to 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:33.239 hear how that even just hanging just in conversation because 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.919 it's pretty casual, and where he goes, and what pissed 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:40.560 me off about this? To this, this studio put out, 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.880 this podcast, put out put out an AI and AI 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.960 special with your dad. Even with all the disclaimers, one 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.600 of the disclaimers was to those under twenty, I'm the 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.960 only f in George Carlin. This is part of his legacy. 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.400 This is part of how he's going to be remembered. 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.480 If somebody listens to it, you can't. It's like unseeing 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.079 an accident. You can't unhear this. 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:05.240 It's wedged its way into the lego yes, yes, story. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.200 So if it piss me off, if it pissed me 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:14.200 off that this has some reference to his life, then 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:15.840 it must have pissed Kelly off. So I wanted to 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.400 get her on right away because I can't. And it's funny. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:19.799 I was talking to Howie and I don't think he's 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.480 gonna mind. Howie Mandela and he said I wouldn't mind 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.360 if they did something because the legacy lives. And I said, 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.880 but Howie, this is a guy I watched him work. 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.160 He would take a joke and rewrite it and remove 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.840 it and time well for two years for an HBO specially. 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:33.440 Yeah, it's one thing. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.880 If you have a vote in it, and you say, 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.440 when I'm dead, go ahead and feed all of my 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.640 material into some computer that may be around in fifteen 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:46.600 years that could possibly replicate my genius. If you vote 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:50.200 for that, then you vote for that, And that's great permission. 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.080 But this is my dad didn't get a vote in this. 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:58.040 And like you said, this is a man who used 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.960 his human life, his human experience, his human heart, his 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:08.720 human brain to concoct and create and shape and shave 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:14.200 and mold in things that blew our minds. Every decade, 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.039 like you were saying, yes, like he was always evolving 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.520 into the next version of himself. And the thing was, 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.719 was that what he said to us thirty twenty five, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.320 twenty five years before he died. 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.360 Are a still relevant. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.720 That's why these people did this because everyone wants to 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:33.840 know what George Carlin's going to say. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.160 And I always say to them, well, if you had 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:42.560 been listening, he already said it. The problem is we 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:46.679 weren't paying attention. We were going, isn't he clever and smart? 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.240 So he warned us, He let us know where it's 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:54.240 all going, what's happening with it? And you know, so 0:04:54.279 --> 0:05:00.919 there's this thing about the genius of humans, human lives, 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:06.120 the thing that happens how humans take in experiences and 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.720 use this amazing brain that we have to observe and 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.760 share and communicate. And the thing about stand up is 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.040 that it's I can't even think of a more I mean, 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.839 that's like live theater too, a more human experience of 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:26.159 an exchange between a performer and an audience member. You know, 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.840 every night, whether you're an actor or a comedian, you 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.760 come out on stage, there's a different energy in the room. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.880 There's a different laugh at that joke that usually sometimes 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.719 it gets a big one. Sometimes it's total silence. There 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.360 listening to a listening crowd. Tonight it's a laughing crowd. 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.479 That's the magic of this art form, you know. And 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:51.120 the fact that the whole thing is this canned audio experience, 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.560 with this canned audience laughing. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:06:02.960 It's just, frankly, it's not the most astonishing imitation. It's 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:04.080 a very limited. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:05.520 Now, I don't know if you know or not. 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.960 There was a New York Times article two days ago. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:13.000 They did interview the representative of Will saying that the 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.480 writing was done by the other podcaster. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.800 They say, ye so so additionally, so material was written 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:23.039 by a human. It reflects well so except that their 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:27.440 podcast thesis is they both fed into AI all of 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:28.120 their information. 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.119 It's all a lot so that so that the AI 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:30.680 would do it. 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.960 That was of their podcast. I believe it is a lie. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:34.800 Okay. I was going to ask. 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.719 I was going to ask, this is what we'll do 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:39.040 in discovery because. 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.200 I'm cynical about stuff. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.360 The first thing I thought is maybe there, which was 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.280 why I was friendly you dead? What is the cause 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.480 for doing this? Is it for controversy? And they can 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.479 reveal we wanted to be part of the conversation and 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.400 we agree with you that this shouldn't be done. And 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.880 this was the the we wanted to make the noise 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.680 that people could see. The potential damage was that I 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:00.000 want to. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.960 Put it out there. We want to make a buck book. 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.880 These are great questions. We shall more shall be revealed. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:11.800 As they say, if a living human being impressionist that 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.880 does a great impression of your dad, we're to do 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.080 the exact same thing. Would you feel any different? 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.760 No, we would shut him down. You would shut him down. 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:25.080 We're known for shutting people down George Carlin, like Frank 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:25.920 Zappa's family. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.360 We don't let people do a lot of George carl. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.360 For you guys. You know, it's I mean, you know, if. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.640 It feels if it if it feels. 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.960 Like it's integral to my father's own ethical standards and 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.400 his creative center, then we make a choice and do it. 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.400 But there have been other people a lot. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.240 We get a lot of emails from people wanting to 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.000 do a lot of stuff with my dad's material, and 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.720 it's all sounds great, you know, like, oh, you want 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.600 to do this book. That sounds fascinating. It's not going 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:58.640 to happen. I'm sorry. 0:07:58.760 --> 0:07:58.960 You know. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.040 The documentary took us as long as it did because 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.280 we kept getting people coming to us and it just 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:11.000 didn't feel like the right sure people, the right gravitas. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:11.840 It just didn't. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:18.000 It never clicked, you know, so we really were very careful. Look, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.600 his stuff's on YouTube. We let it be on YouTube. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.360 We love the fact that the social media had Not 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.760 only that, but in two thousand and eight, my dad 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.800 died by two thousand and nine, ten and eleven, I 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:34.960 had people on my Facebook page from Iran, Russia, China, 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.200 people learning about George Carlin, like your dad's changed my life. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.480 I'm sixteen and I'm living in Pakistan. I'm like, oh 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:42.840 my god, this is amazing. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:43.520 You know. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.000 So that's a beautiful thing. Like I love that kind 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:50.880 of organic sharing of that. But this is a different beast, 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:52.840 this thing that happened a few Josa. 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.800 One of the things that's so, I guess involves me 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.560 personally in what you're doing is for me and for 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:08.319 so many actors, writers, artists, storytellers, creators. I am existentially 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:12.000 frightened by AI. I don't get it. I don't our 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.480 union is starting to make deeper. You're talking to a 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.320 lot of your friends, what. 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.920 Are we doing? Yeh, guys, why are you enabling this? 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.520 And they go, well, it's it's you know, it's gonna happen, 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:22.439 it's written in the story. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.160 I go, it doesn't have to happen. So let's talk 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:27.560 about what you're doing legally. 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:32.200 What is there a law on the books that you're 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.680 aware of that says they can't do what they did? 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:35.199 Well? 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.600 I love the news because there's always something bad happening, 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.559 and they never report anything good. I like bad news. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:53.880 When something is burning, I want to see it an 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.480 explosion of flood people. You ever see people in these 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.880 rowboats in a flood? Where do they put the robots 0:09:58.880 --> 0:09:59.920 when the water goes away? 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.040 You never see a house with a rowboat in front 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:02.199 of it. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.320 You know those people at Vesuvius that got that, they're 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.640 still like scratching their knee and they're. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.480 Stuck because they got their lava fly. I love that stuff. 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.480 Anything that happens that gives people a hard time, I 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.240 like it. So most of it is on the news. 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.520 Fortune they're always complaining about the news is just too negative. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.360 You say, make it more now, Oh why even put 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.080 in a nice story? Well there's no sense. 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:22.319 I hate that when they come out the end and 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.880 they say, oh, this is cad Look a girl took 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:26.960 a flower and put it in her hair. I don't 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:27.600 care about that. 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:28.920 You want to see bad naggs. 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:30.240 I want to see the girl took a knife and 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:31.320 put it in a friend's heart. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:33.400 That's what I want to know. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.920 Is there a law on the books that you're aware 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.560 of that says they can't do what they did well. 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:43.720 There is a law on the books called rights of 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:48.840 Publicity that protects people's ability to control their name and likeness. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:53.120 And this was done because Freda Stair's wife saw fred 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.120 Astair I think it was dancing with a vacuum cleaner, 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:01.359 and she sued and this created this president of this law. 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.480 The other is the copyright issue. This is where it 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:09.760 gets very muddy. When we filed the lawsuit, we were 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.600 assuming because they had said out loud that they fed 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.600 a machine all of his specials, or the machine said 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.080 it I ate all of these hundreds, you know whatever. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.120 It was part of our argument for wanting to protect 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.040 the copyright even of this content that was created. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.199 It's what you said a little earlier, which is that. 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.720 And by the way, they did take the special down 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.800 as of on Friday or Saturday. My lawyer texted me 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.640 and said that the video is down. But the thing is, 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.120 we don't know who downloaded it. We don't know who's 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.640 going to cut it into a million little pieces, and 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:47.679 they're not going to get the beginning part that says, oh, 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:51.920 this is an AI impression. So a people will be 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.679 introduced to George Carlin through this content, which completely waters 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:01.800 down his legacy and his own intellectual property. Uh and 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:06.120 then AI in the future may ingest this as a 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.760 George Carlin content absolutely, which will then just. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:15.160 Melt, Yeah, you won't know it's in there, and then 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:16.440 all of a sudden you're putting out prap. 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.160 The genius of George Carlin was that you never knew 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.760 what he was getting right. He was going to literally 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.240 blow your mind as an audience member, just. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:25.920 So people know if they don't know, George would come 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.840 and do the almost amazing heavy duty riff about something 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.000 just so important and then look at me and go 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.120 at which you heard. I also never go to a 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.680 dentist with blood in his hair. I mean, George, you go. 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.880 And I always laugh at that because it's the juxtaposition 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.360 of what made him laugh, yes, and also his pacing 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.319 and the palate cleansing of jokes. 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.360 It's really really tough to do. 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.560 I mean, they get up against the thing that I 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.520 do kind of understand. So there there is a thing 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:59.559 happening now in some venues where a performer who's no 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:04.080 longer of us is recreated holographically, and like in the 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.280 Michael Jackson Show in Vegas, they do that at the 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.160 end the Abba Boring show. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:09.240 Yeah, and you. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:14.640 Go, sure, because people want to experience that thing again. 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:16.880 But that's them. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.440 It may be holographic, but it is holograph of something 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:21.680 they actually. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:26.199 It's their content and most likely their estate signs and 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.920 getting paid lots of money for it, right, which is 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.240 very different. So that's that's what I say about It's 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.320 like they get a vote in it. My Dad's had 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.360 no vote in this, and they're putting these here's another 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:41.160 thing about my dad, because he hated people putting words 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:46.079 in his mouth. And that's why when I woke up 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.160 to the news that this thing was happening, the roar 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.000 of Mama bear rage inside of me because it was like, 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.360 this is the very thing that he could not stand, 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:02.880 was people, you know, trying to pass something off as him. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.679 And you know, this is the part of the performer 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.800 and the creator and the writer and all of us 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:12.080 that you know, where the healthy ego shows up. This 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.560 is like, this is me saying this, you know. And 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.920 the thing about AI is, you know, it's almost like, well, 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.440 what's the point of humans. I'm just going to consume 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:25.080 your stuff and turn it into content, And what's the 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.760 point of humans anymore. What's the point of having an 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.360 experience or sharing an experience because we're just here to 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:37.160 be distracted by this bullshit. You know, it's just it's 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.160 an existential spiritual crisis. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:41.560 I really believe. 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.120 This because what AI is eventually going to do is 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.720 put gazillions of people out of work. AI can efficiently 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.840 do a lot of the work that people that just 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.000 working people do to survive. 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.520 And if you taking their ability to earn a. 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:00.000 Living, who's watching the fabulous content or buying this stuff 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:00.760 from big business? 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:02.520 But okay, I will play. Let me play. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.280 The people writing in right now saying these guys are 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:06.440 morons and they don't get it. 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:07.520 I get the day. 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.560 I can be very helpful connecting people with illnesses who 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:11.720 would never ever get to meet. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:12.400 Well, it already is. 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.320 I mean, it's spell checks for us. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.040 It doesn't a lot yet. But by the way, that 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:16.880 has screwed me up. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.480 Meanwhile, I said, all good, and it said ask God 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:22.600 is what I send somebody? 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.920 But that's that's okay. They wouldn't do an intervention. They went, 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.320 what yeah, So I will tell you what it corrected. 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:35.880 Is one o'clock enough? Can you get there? 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:36.560 Getting there right? 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:41.680 Now that's our next game show. We can sell this. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:48.960 What did this spell to wait? CEO? Okay, we got 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:49.600 to go to commercial. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.680 But the AI is beneficial in a lot of ways. 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.480 It's going to be used an amazing ways. We got 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:56.760 to get our act to guess, for all those people 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.320 writing going you guys don't get it. We got to 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.600 get our act together on some rules and regulations with 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.000 this crap or it is gonna it is going to 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:05.640 be a runaway and we're all good if there's no 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:07.240 like you said, if there's no watermark. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.440 Yeah, really contemplating this stuff the last few weeks, and 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.960 for me it really comes down to, you know, it's 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.640 almost like the AI thing is just saying, you know what, 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.360 It's just it is like the matrix, We're just gonna put. 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:19.720 You in a pod. 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.280 We're gonna feed you. You're gonna be a battery for 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.240 this thing, and we're just gonna make a life up 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.200 for you. And you know, because it's like it's like, 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.240 what's the point of being? 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.800 Is there is there conceivable. 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.760 Specifically to the situation that they created a false performance 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:37.280 of your thought? 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.080 Right? Is there. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.000 Some benefit to society from that? Is there anything that 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.280 you go, well, I can see why that that would 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.960 there's a positive to it, because I have trouble finding. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:57.280 Well, let's see. One of the benefits could possibly be, well, uh, 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:02.440 we need we need smart, funny people to listen to. Okay, well, 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.119 we've got a lot of those, and we have a 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.160 lot of recordings of those people too. 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.399 Okay, so that's not going to be on my list. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:20.560 We need people to dumb down other people's material. Maybe yeah, 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.840 it's a dumb downer, or maybe we just we really 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.000 need a lot of examples of how to be a 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:31.200 hack comic. Then you just put everyone's material, Just put 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.159 all the comics material into these ais, and it'll just 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.400 be the hack version of Gary Shandling, the hack version 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.800 of Robin Williams, the hack version of Joan Rivers. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:41.879 You know. 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:43.159 The I've been thinking about it. 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.280 Even impressionists lately, like remember rich Little Sure, we were 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.919 all we're rich little generation. You know, it's part of 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.480 the fun of seeing an impressionist, or even watching the 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.840 people on SNL and all that kind of stuff is 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.240 like watching a human trying to get into the skins 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.000 of someone else and they'll get and you know, a 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.240 good impression is will teach you about how to do 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.440 an impression. It's just like you need like one or 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:09.439 two or three little things and that creates the glow 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.040 of the thing. Right, that's an art form. That's you know, 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.879 that's and that's interesting. And I know that I'm watching 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:20.680 rich little doing somebody right. You know, where is this 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:25.600 thing there? It's a replication, it's not an impression. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.120 When I was getting ready to come to the episode, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.560 I started smiling because I thought, if this lawsuit works 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.480 out in any way regulating helped to regulate the future 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.000 of this, then your dad got the last laugh because 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:39.720 he was used somehow. 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:43.560 Yeah, to change, to change regulations, to change because of this. 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.520 Let's talk about the FCC versus pacifica case. I mean, 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:50.920 this has already happened once in his career. Accidentally, WBAI 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:55.399 played the Seven Dirty Words you Can't Say on television 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.880 on the radio, and they played it during an educational 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.520 hour about the effects of First Amendment and speech. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.040 It was about language this hour. 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:09.040 It was an educational hour on WBAI, and a professional moralist, 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.760 as my dad likes to call him, was listening on 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:16.639 purpose because he was part of those Christian people that 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:18.439 do this kind of stuff and had his fourteen year 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.560 old son with him and then acted like, eh, my. 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.080 Fourteen year old son heard a bad word. 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:25.679 And of course it went all the way up to 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.160 the Supreme Court and it changed First Amendment law forever 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.080 it was not obscene language. It was now called indecent 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.119 and forevermore. When you went when you worked on the radio, 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:37.879 I know you had him. There was a little sheet 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.200 sheet that would tell you what the Carlin words were. 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.080 They were called the Garland words and they were the 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.760 seven words. So it's and my dad used to people say, oh, 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.399 you were part of the Supreme Court and my day's look, 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.000 it was an accident of history that I had nothing 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:50.720 to do with the case. 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:52.600 But he goes, I did get a. 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.280 Kick knowing that the Supreme Court justices had to listen 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:59.040 or read my material. And the whole album is in 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.680 the annals of the Supreme Court, which is it's pretty cool. 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:03.760 So this is the thing. 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.120 Also, it's like, I do find it interesting that George 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.080 Carlin does get to be the tip of the spirit. 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.000 There was the only thing that made me feel wait 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.200 a minute, George could end up the thing again again. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.879 He's the one who's pushing the envelope of of of of. 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:19.639 Something, you know. 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.240 But for him it's creativity, which is why I think 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.920 there's more, much more to the story that will be revealed. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.399 Yes, yes, it's not. 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.320 It's not because it started out pure AI and they 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.600 fetted their stuff and everything in the show's AI. Now 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.639