Speaker 1: Now Really.
Speaker 2: Really No Really, Hello, and welcome to Really No Really
Speaker 2: with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who remind you that
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Speaker 3: Don't do it for us, do it for yourself.
Speaker 2: And speaking of chief imitations, today's episode is all about
Speaker 2: how the brilliance of the legendary iconic comedian George Carlin
Speaker 2: was recently resurrected from the grave by an unauthorized.
Speaker 3: AI generated copy Really No Really.
Speaker 2: His daughter Kelly Carlin joins us to discuss why she's
Speaker 2: suing the creators, the ethical and legal issues, and whether
Speaker 2: content created by artificial intelligence can tarnish a lifetime.
Speaker 3: Of work and the legacy.
Speaker 2: Plus, we'll share rare and exclusive archival audio of an
Speaker 2: interview Peter did with the real George Carlin that you
Speaker 2: will surely enjoy. And now here's the real old Jason
Speaker 2: and Peter, let me tell you.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm very excited about this. This what we're
Speaker 4: going to talk about today for a number of reasons.
Speaker 4: One is the subject of our conversation is someone who
Speaker 4: you and I both revered as oh my gosh, as
Speaker 4: one of the most brilliant minds period stop. One of
Speaker 4: the most brilliant comedic minds. George Carlin, to me, what
Speaker 4: was so amazing about his career not only was what
Speaker 4: he chose to speak about, what he chose to examine,
Speaker 4: the ways in which he did it. But I have
Speaker 4: always found comedy is like of a moment. You know,
Speaker 4: guys who were funny, their thing was so great ten
Speaker 4: years ago, and they're doing the same thing now and
Speaker 4: it doesn't work the same way. George Carlin, that career
Speaker 4: spanned decades, and it was always top of the game, always.
Speaker 5: Which is why, which is why, if I may say, yeah,
Speaker 5: when this subject came up, I got angry, I really
Speaker 5: got angry. Yeah, because I got I was blessed to
Speaker 5: know George for a run of time, and I saw
Speaker 5: how structured is comedy was, how hard he worked on it.
Speaker 5: And I want to include Kelly's Here is his daughter,
Speaker 5: Kelly Collins. I want to bring you in to the conversation.
Speaker 4: But Kelly, welcome, by the way, Kelly, thank you, Kelly,
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 5: But you're the reason I got upset and wanted you
Speaker 5: in right away. Was because your dad. There's an interview
Speaker 5: I did with Georgian ninety six and you get to
Speaker 5: hear how that even just hanging just in conversation because
Speaker 5: it's pretty casual, and where he goes, and what pissed
Speaker 5: me off about this? To this, this studio put out,
Speaker 5: this podcast, put out put out an AI and AI
Speaker 5: special with your dad. Even with all the disclaimers, one
Speaker 5: of the disclaimers was to those under twenty, I'm the
Speaker 5: only f in George Carlin. This is part of his legacy.
Speaker 5: This is part of how he's going to be remembered.
Speaker 5: If somebody listens to it, you can't. It's like unseeing
Speaker 5: an accident. You can't unhear this.
Speaker 4: It's wedged its way into the lego yes, yes, story.
Speaker 5: So if it piss me off, if it pissed me
Speaker 5: off that this has some reference to his life, then
Speaker 5: it must have pissed Kelly off. So I wanted to
Speaker 5: get her on right away because I can't. And it's funny.
Speaker 5: I was talking to Howie and I don't think he's
Speaker 5: gonna mind. Howie Mandela and he said I wouldn't mind
Speaker 5: if they did something because the legacy lives. And I said,
Speaker 5: but Howie, this is a guy I watched him work.
Speaker 5: He would take a joke and rewrite it and remove
Speaker 5: it and time well for two years for an HBO specially.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's one thing.
Speaker 7: If you have a vote in it, and you say,
Speaker 7: when I'm dead, go ahead and feed all of my
Speaker 7: material into some computer that may be around in fifteen
Speaker 7: years that could possibly replicate my genius. If you vote
Speaker 7: for that, then you vote for that, And that's great permission.
Speaker 7: But this is my dad didn't get a vote in this.
Speaker 7: And like you said, this is a man who used
Speaker 7: his human life, his human experience, his human heart, his
Speaker 7: human brain to concoct and create and shape and shave
Speaker 7: and mold in things that blew our minds. Every decade,
Speaker 7: like you were saying, yes, like he was always evolving
Speaker 7: into the next version of himself. And the thing was,
Speaker 7: was that what he said to us thirty twenty five,
Speaker 7: twenty five years before he died.
Speaker 6: Are a still relevant.
Speaker 7: That's why these people did this because everyone wants to
Speaker 7: know what George Carlin's going to say.
Speaker 6: And I always say to them, well, if you had
Speaker 6: been listening, he already said it. The problem is we
Speaker 6: weren't paying attention. We were going, isn't he clever and smart?
Speaker 7: So he warned us, He let us know where it's
Speaker 7: all going, what's happening with it? And you know, so
Speaker 7: there's this thing about the genius of humans, human lives,
Speaker 7: the thing that happens how humans take in experiences and
Speaker 7: use this amazing brain that we have to observe and
Speaker 7: share and communicate. And the thing about stand up is
Speaker 7: that it's I can't even think of a more I mean,
Speaker 7: that's like live theater too, a more human experience of
Speaker 7: an exchange between a performer and an audience member. You know,
Speaker 7: every night, whether you're an actor or a comedian, you
Speaker 7: come out on stage, there's a different energy in the room.
Speaker 7: There's a different laugh at that joke that usually sometimes
Speaker 7: it gets a big one. Sometimes it's total silence. There
Speaker 7: listening to a listening crowd. Tonight it's a laughing crowd.
Speaker 7: That's the magic of this art form, you know. And
Speaker 7: the fact that the whole thing is this canned audio experience,
Speaker 7: with this canned audience laughing.
Speaker 4: It's just, frankly, it's not the most astonishing imitation. It's
Speaker 4: a very limited.
Speaker 6: Now, I don't know if you know or not.
Speaker 7: There was a New York Times article two days ago.
Speaker 7: They did interview the representative of Will saying that the
Speaker 7: writing was done by the other podcaster.
Speaker 8: They say, ye so so additionally, so material was written
Speaker 8: by a human. It reflects well so except that their
Speaker 8: podcast thesis is they both fed into AI all of
Speaker 8: their information.
Speaker 9: It's all a lot so that so that the AI
Speaker 9: would do it.
Speaker 6: That was of their podcast. I believe it is a lie.
Speaker 9: Okay. I was going to ask.
Speaker 6: I was going to ask, this is what we'll do
Speaker 6: in discovery because.
Speaker 9: I'm cynical about stuff.
Speaker 5: The first thing I thought is maybe there, which was
Speaker 5: why I was friendly you dead? What is the cause
Speaker 5: for doing this? Is it for controversy? And they can
Speaker 5: reveal we wanted to be part of the conversation and
Speaker 5: we agree with you that this shouldn't be done. And
Speaker 5: this was the the we wanted to make the noise
Speaker 5: that people could see. The potential damage was that I
Speaker 5: want to.
Speaker 10: Put it out there. We want to make a buck book.
Speaker 6: These are great questions. We shall more shall be revealed.
Speaker 4: As they say, if a living human being impressionist that
Speaker 4: does a great impression of your dad, we're to do
Speaker 4: the exact same thing. Would you feel any different?
Speaker 7: No, we would shut him down. You would shut him down.
Speaker 7: We're known for shutting people down George Carlin, like Frank
Speaker 7: Zappa's family.
Speaker 6: We don't let people do a lot of George carl.
Speaker 10: For you guys. You know, it's I mean, you know, if.
Speaker 6: It feels if it if it feels.
Speaker 7: Like it's integral to my father's own ethical standards and
Speaker 7: his creative center, then we make a choice and do it.
Speaker 6: But there have been other people a lot.
Speaker 7: We get a lot of emails from people wanting to
Speaker 7: do a lot of stuff with my dad's material, and
Speaker 7: it's all sounds great, you know, like, oh, you want
Speaker 7: to do this book. That sounds fascinating. It's not going
Speaker 7: to happen. I'm sorry.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 7: The documentary took us as long as it did because
Speaker 7: we kept getting people coming to us and it just
Speaker 7: didn't feel like the right sure people, the right gravitas.
Speaker 6: It just didn't.
Speaker 7: It never clicked, you know, so we really were very careful. Look,
Speaker 7: his stuff's on YouTube. We let it be on YouTube.
Speaker 7: We love the fact that the social media had Not
Speaker 7: only that, but in two thousand and eight, my dad
Speaker 7: died by two thousand and nine, ten and eleven, I
Speaker 7: had people on my Facebook page from Iran, Russia, China,
Speaker 7: people learning about George Carlin, like your dad's changed my life.
Speaker 7: I'm sixteen and I'm living in Pakistan. I'm like, oh
Speaker 7: my god, this is amazing.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 7: So that's a beautiful thing. Like I love that kind
Speaker 7: of organic sharing of that. But this is a different beast,
Speaker 7: this thing that happened a few Josa.
Speaker 4: One of the things that's so, I guess involves me
Speaker 4: personally in what you're doing is for me and for
Speaker 4: so many actors, writers, artists, storytellers, creators. I am existentially
Speaker 4: frightened by AI. I don't get it. I don't our
Speaker 4: union is starting to make deeper. You're talking to a
Speaker 4: lot of your friends, what.
Speaker 10: Are we doing? Yeh, guys, why are you enabling this?
Speaker 4: And they go, well, it's it's you know, it's gonna happen,
Speaker 4: it's written in the story.
Speaker 10: I go, it doesn't have to happen. So let's talk
Speaker 10: about what you're doing legally.
Speaker 4: What is there a law on the books that you're
Speaker 4: aware of that says they can't do what they did?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 11: I love the news because there's always something bad happening,
Speaker 11: and they never report anything good. I like bad news.
Speaker 11: When something is burning, I want to see it an
Speaker 11: explosion of flood people. You ever see people in these
Speaker 11: rowboats in a flood? Where do they put the robots
Speaker 11: when the water goes away?
Speaker 9: You never see a house with a rowboat in front
Speaker 9: of it.
Speaker 11: You know those people at Vesuvius that got that, they're
Speaker 11: still like scratching their knee and they're.
Speaker 9: Stuck because they got their lava fly. I love that stuff.
Speaker 11: Anything that happens that gives people a hard time, I
Speaker 11: like it. So most of it is on the news.
Speaker 9: Fortune they're always complaining about the news is just too negative.
Speaker 9: You say, make it more now, Oh why even put
Speaker 9: in a nice story? Well there's no sense.
Speaker 11: I hate that when they come out the end and
Speaker 11: they say, oh, this is cad Look a girl took
Speaker 11: a flower and put it in her hair. I don't
Speaker 11: care about that.
Speaker 9: You want to see bad naggs.
Speaker 11: I want to see the girl took a knife and
Speaker 11: put it in a friend's heart.
Speaker 9: That's what I want to know.
Speaker 4: Is there a law on the books that you're aware
Speaker 4: of that says they can't do what they did well.
Speaker 7: There is a law on the books called rights of
Speaker 7: Publicity that protects people's ability to control their name and likeness.
Speaker 7: And this was done because Freda Stair's wife saw fred
Speaker 7: Astair I think it was dancing with a vacuum cleaner,
Speaker 7: and she sued and this created this president of this law.
Speaker 7: The other is the copyright issue. This is where it
Speaker 7: gets very muddy. When we filed the lawsuit, we were
Speaker 7: assuming because they had said out loud that they fed
Speaker 7: a machine all of his specials, or the machine said
Speaker 7: it I ate all of these hundreds, you know whatever.
Speaker 7: It was part of our argument for wanting to protect
Speaker 7: the copyright even of this content that was created.
Speaker 6: It's what you said a little earlier, which is that.
Speaker 7: And by the way, they did take the special down
Speaker 7: as of on Friday or Saturday. My lawyer texted me
Speaker 7: and said that the video is down. But the thing is,
Speaker 7: we don't know who downloaded it. We don't know who's
Speaker 7: going to cut it into a million little pieces, and
Speaker 7: they're not going to get the beginning part that says, oh,
Speaker 7: this is an AI impression. So a people will be
Speaker 7: introduced to George Carlin through this content, which completely waters
Speaker 7: down his legacy and his own intellectual property. Uh and
Speaker 7: then AI in the future may ingest this as a
Speaker 7: George Carlin content absolutely, which will then just.
Speaker 5: Melt, Yeah, you won't know it's in there, and then
Speaker 5: all of a sudden you're putting out prap.
Speaker 7: The genius of George Carlin was that you never knew
Speaker 7: what he was getting right. He was going to literally
Speaker 7: blow your mind as an audience member, just.
Speaker 5: So people know if they don't know, George would come
Speaker 5: and do the almost amazing heavy duty riff about something
Speaker 5: just so important and then look at me and go
Speaker 5: at which you heard. I also never go to a
Speaker 5: dentist with blood in his hair. I mean, George, you go.
Speaker 5: And I always laugh at that because it's the juxtaposition
Speaker 5: of what made him laugh, yes, and also his pacing
Speaker 5: and the palate cleansing of jokes.
Speaker 9: It's really really tough to do.
Speaker 4: I mean, they get up against the thing that I
Speaker 4: do kind of understand. So there there is a thing
Speaker 4: happening now in some venues where a performer who's no
Speaker 4: longer of us is recreated holographically, and like in the
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson Show in Vegas, they do that at the
Speaker 4: end the Abba Boring show.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and you.
Speaker 4: Go, sure, because people want to experience that thing again.
Speaker 10: But that's them.
Speaker 4: It may be holographic, but it is holograph of something
Speaker 4: they actually.
Speaker 7: It's their content and most likely their estate signs and
Speaker 7: getting paid lots of money for it, right, which is
Speaker 7: very different. So that's that's what I say about It's
Speaker 7: like they get a vote in it. My Dad's had
Speaker 7: no vote in this, and they're putting these here's another
Speaker 7: thing about my dad, because he hated people putting words
Speaker 7: in his mouth. And that's why when I woke up
Speaker 7: to the news that this thing was happening, the roar
Speaker 7: of Mama bear rage inside of me because it was like,
Speaker 7: this is the very thing that he could not stand,
Speaker 7: was people, you know, trying to pass something off as him.
Speaker 7: And you know, this is the part of the performer
Speaker 7: and the creator and the writer and all of us
Speaker 7: that you know, where the healthy ego shows up. This
Speaker 7: is like, this is me saying this, you know. And
Speaker 7: the thing about AI is, you know, it's almost like, well,
Speaker 7: what's the point of humans. I'm just going to consume
Speaker 7: your stuff and turn it into content, And what's the
Speaker 7: point of humans anymore. What's the point of having an
Speaker 7: experience or sharing an experience because we're just here to
Speaker 7: be distracted by this bullshit. You know, it's just it's
Speaker 7: an existential spiritual crisis.
Speaker 9: I really believe.
Speaker 4: This because what AI is eventually going to do is
Speaker 4: put gazillions of people out of work. AI can efficiently
Speaker 4: do a lot of the work that people that just
Speaker 4: working people do to survive.
Speaker 10: And if you taking their ability to earn a.
Speaker 4: Living, who's watching the fabulous content or buying this stuff
Speaker 4: from big business?
Speaker 9: But okay, I will play. Let me play.
Speaker 5: The people writing in right now saying these guys are
Speaker 5: morons and they don't get it.
Speaker 9: I get the day.
Speaker 5: I can be very helpful connecting people with illnesses who
Speaker 5: would never ever get to meet.
Speaker 9: Well, it already is.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's spell checks for us.
Speaker 9: It doesn't a lot yet. But by the way, that
Speaker 9: has screwed me up.
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, I said, all good, and it said ask God
Speaker 5: is what I send somebody?
Speaker 1: But that's that's okay. They wouldn't do an intervention. They went,
Speaker 1: what yeah, So I will tell you what it corrected.
Speaker 1: Is one o'clock enough? Can you get there?
Speaker 3: Getting there right?
Speaker 9: Now that's our next game show. We can sell this.
Speaker 9: What did this spell to wait? CEO? Okay, we got
Speaker 9: to go to commercial.
Speaker 5: But the AI is beneficial in a lot of ways.
Speaker 5: It's going to be used an amazing ways. We got
Speaker 5: to get our act to guess, for all those people
Speaker 5: writing going you guys don't get it. We got to
Speaker 5: get our act together on some rules and regulations with
Speaker 5: this crap or it is gonna it is going to
Speaker 5: be a runaway and we're all good if there's no
Speaker 5: like you said, if there's no watermark.
Speaker 7: Yeah, really contemplating this stuff the last few weeks, and
Speaker 7: for me it really comes down to, you know, it's
Speaker 7: almost like the AI thing is just saying, you know what,
Speaker 7: It's just it is like the matrix, We're just gonna put.
Speaker 6: You in a pod.
Speaker 7: We're gonna feed you. You're gonna be a battery for
Speaker 7: this thing, and we're just gonna make a life up
Speaker 7: for you. And you know, because it's like it's like,
Speaker 7: what's the point of being?
Speaker 9: Is there is there conceivable.
Speaker 4: Specifically to the situation that they created a false performance
Speaker 4: of your thought?
Speaker 10: Right? Is there.
Speaker 4: Some benefit to society from that? Is there anything that
Speaker 4: you go, well, I can see why that that would
Speaker 4: there's a positive to it, because I have trouble finding.
Speaker 7: Well, let's see. One of the benefits could possibly be, well, uh,
Speaker 7: we need we need smart, funny people to listen to. Okay, well,
Speaker 7: we've got a lot of those, and we have a
Speaker 7: lot of recordings of those people too.
Speaker 6: Okay, so that's not going to be on my list.
Speaker 7: We need people to dumb down other people's material. Maybe yeah,
Speaker 7: it's a dumb downer, or maybe we just we really
Speaker 7: need a lot of examples of how to be a
Speaker 7: hack comic. Then you just put everyone's material, Just put
Speaker 7: all the comics material into these ais, and it'll just
Speaker 7: be the hack version of Gary Shandling, the hack version
Speaker 7: of Robin Williams, the hack version of Joan Rivers.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 6: The I've been thinking about it.
Speaker 7: Even impressionists lately, like remember rich Little Sure, we were
Speaker 7: all we're rich little generation. You know, it's part of
Speaker 7: the fun of seeing an impressionist, or even watching the
Speaker 7: people on SNL and all that kind of stuff is
Speaker 7: like watching a human trying to get into the skins
Speaker 7: of someone else and they'll get and you know, a
Speaker 7: good impression is will teach you about how to do
Speaker 7: an impression. It's just like you need like one or
Speaker 7: two or three little things and that creates the glow
Speaker 7: of the thing. Right, that's an art form. That's you know,
Speaker 7: that's and that's interesting. And I know that I'm watching
Speaker 7: rich little doing somebody right. You know, where is this
Speaker 7: thing there? It's a replication, it's not an impression.
Speaker 5: When I was getting ready to come to the episode,
Speaker 5: I started smiling because I thought, if this lawsuit works
Speaker 5: out in any way regulating helped to regulate the future
Speaker 5: of this, then your dad got the last laugh because
Speaker 5: he was used somehow.
Speaker 9: Yeah, to change, to change regulations, to change because of this.
Speaker 7: Let's talk about the FCC versus pacifica case. I mean,
Speaker 7: this has already happened once in his career. Accidentally, WBAI
Speaker 7: played the Seven Dirty Words you Can't Say on television
Speaker 7: on the radio, and they played it during an educational
Speaker 7: hour about the effects of First Amendment and speech.
Speaker 6: It was about language this hour.
Speaker 7: It was an educational hour on WBAI, and a professional moralist,
Speaker 7: as my dad likes to call him, was listening on
Speaker 7: purpose because he was part of those Christian people that
Speaker 7: do this kind of stuff and had his fourteen year
Speaker 7: old son with him and then acted like, eh, my.
Speaker 6: Fourteen year old son heard a bad word.
Speaker 7: And of course it went all the way up to
Speaker 7: the Supreme Court and it changed First Amendment law forever
Speaker 7: it was not obscene language. It was now called indecent
Speaker 7: and forevermore. When you went when you worked on the radio,
Speaker 7: I know you had him. There was a little sheet
Speaker 7: sheet that would tell you what the Carlin words were.
Speaker 7: They were called the Garland words and they were the
Speaker 7: seven words. So it's and my dad used to people say, oh,
Speaker 7: you were part of the Supreme Court and my day's look,
Speaker 7: it was an accident of history that I had nothing
Speaker 7: to do with the case.
Speaker 6: But he goes, I did get a.
Speaker 7: Kick knowing that the Supreme Court justices had to listen
Speaker 7: or read my material. And the whole album is in
Speaker 7: the annals of the Supreme Court, which is it's pretty cool.
Speaker 6: So this is the thing.
Speaker 7: Also, it's like, I do find it interesting that George
Speaker 7: Carlin does get to be the tip of the spirit.
Speaker 5: There was the only thing that made me feel wait
Speaker 5: a minute, George could end up the thing again again.
Speaker 7: He's the one who's pushing the envelope of of of of.
Speaker 6: Something, you know.
Speaker 5: But for him it's creativity, which is why I think
Speaker 5: there's more, much more to the story that will be revealed.
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, it's not.
Speaker 5: It's not because it started out pure AI and they
Speaker 5: fetted their stuff and everything in the show's AI. Now
Speaker 5: you're hearing it's not. And how he told me this
Speaker 5: morning he knows the long guy, Will Sasso and said, yeah,
Speaker 5: I think it was written, so it's morphing into something else.
Speaker 7: We already said to the New York Times that it
Speaker 7: was written by the other guy. I think his name
Speaker 7: is Chad.
Speaker 4: You know, it would be interesting and maybe maybe we
Speaker 4: will follow up and do that because I've met Will
Speaker 4: very briefly. He seemed like a terrific guy, and he's
Speaker 4: a good actor and a funny man.
Speaker 10: And I wonder.
Speaker 4: I'd be surprised if he thought he was doing something
Speaker 4: harmful or immoral. I wonder why, I really do wonder
Speaker 4: why they took this on and chose to do this,
Speaker 4: because they had to know it would be controversial, They
Speaker 4: had to know it could be potentially it would be
Speaker 4: a legal problem for them. And I have to assume
Speaker 4: that they revered your dad. I can't imagine being a
Speaker 4: comic who wouldn't revere him. So it's it's part of
Speaker 4: why the whole technology scares me, because I think people
Speaker 4: of good character and good intent can stumble into some
Speaker 4: really horrible stuff.
Speaker 7: Well we're talking about unintended consequences here one PC. And
Speaker 7: you know, I think about remember in two thousand and
Speaker 7: eight when Facebook came and we were all like, oh,
Speaker 7: oh wow, Oh I get to see.
Speaker 6: My old high school sweetheart or whatever it is. Oh
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 7: I didn't realize that my content was the product, like
Speaker 7: that my data was the thing they're going to make,
Speaker 7: like I did. Like it was like it's so it's
Speaker 7: so like, oh no, on the surface, everything's fine, and
Speaker 7: then underneath it's like all the wiring and all the
Speaker 7: stuff and all the you don't get to see the
Speaker 7: real intention and what they're doing.
Speaker 6: And I don't think also that they.
Speaker 7: Even really understood what they had unleashed. I mean clearly not.
Speaker 7: I mean I really, I mean these people, you know,
Speaker 7: we're humans. We don't know what the we're doing ever,
Speaker 7: and we're gonna and this is where Father's Daughter the
Speaker 7: arrogance comes in. For me, it's like, guys, just just
Speaker 7: because you can do something, just.
Speaker 9: Mean you should.
Speaker 5: I also wonder and would love to follow up with
Speaker 5: you if there's a generational difference, because certain age like
Speaker 5: like a cutof and I don't know what it is,
Speaker 5: forty fifty plus are like, oh my god, this is horrible.
Speaker 5: But we're the old geezers who wanted to And if
Speaker 5: the younger generation that grew up with this, this is
Speaker 5: this is part of their existence. Is like Anne that
Speaker 5: I'm not that upset.
Speaker 9: Bike.
Speaker 7: I think if you're a real George Carlin fan, and
Speaker 7: I'd say about ninety nine point nine percent of the
Speaker 7: people that have been reaching out to me, whether it's
Speaker 7: on social media or not, are outraged by this and
Speaker 7: disgusted by it. And I think, if you're a real
Speaker 7: George Carlin fan, you know that he would have not
Speaker 7: been the twenty twenty four version of him, would not
Speaker 7: be standing on a stage doing a commercial for AI,
Speaker 7: which is I understand part of this concert. He goes
Speaker 7: on and like the benefits and the greatness of AI
Speaker 7: or whatever, and I'm like, really, like what you know,
Speaker 7: my dad did a piece called Modern Man.
Speaker 6: You may be familiar with it. He sure if you
Speaker 6: really listen to it.
Speaker 12: He's not like saying this is great, He's saying this
Speaker 12: is what we've been turned into that Yeah, again, he
Speaker 12: told us everything we needed to know.
Speaker 4: Just listen, people, and you know what insying to those
Speaker 4: that younger generation goes, Yeah, I don't see the problem.
Speaker 10: I'm so frightened.
Speaker 4: For the younger generations because I know a few people
Speaker 4: in academia and one of them said to me recently, Well,
Speaker 4: at our university, the students cannot use AI to to
Speaker 4: write a paper, but we.
Speaker 10: Let them use it to outline. Michael, that's one of
Speaker 10: the most.
Speaker 9: Critical critical thinking.
Speaker 4: Right about I organize my faults out of how am
Speaker 4: I going to present this? What about I go why
Speaker 4: would why would you take this critical part of learning
Speaker 4: and thinking and being human and expressing how you see
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 9: Why would you take it?
Speaker 4: Even give them the opportunity to think that that's not
Speaker 4: an important part of their It's because you were born
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 9: It's you're used to it.
Speaker 5: You use it to corners, you use it to help write,
Speaker 5: you use it for a lot of better official stuff.
Speaker 9: You feel because you grew up with it. I mean,
Speaker 9: it's a completely.
Speaker 5: Different environment when you're born into something and it's it's
Speaker 5: what you know and you and everyone's using it for
Speaker 5: some for some reason.
Speaker 9: To help.
Speaker 7: All I know is that every time saving device that
Speaker 7: we've ever created as humans has led to basically where
Speaker 7: we are now, which is the extinction of all the biosa.
Speaker 9: That's the theory. I have one line. That's all of.
Speaker 4: Technology, all technology, of technology comes down to this, I
Speaker 4: don't want to do it.
Speaker 9: No, why don't you do it? You can do it,
Speaker 9: you do it. I don't want to do it. You
Speaker 9: do it.
Speaker 10: I don't want to do it.
Speaker 9: That's it. That's the whole headline everything in technology.
Speaker 6: So we're basically a bunch of two year olds.
Speaker 9: Yes, I don't want to do it, you do it.
Speaker 10: You do it, you do I don't want to make
Speaker 10: the food, You make the f.
Speaker 9: I don't want to do the diagnosis. You do it.
Speaker 7: I don't want to spend their thirty thousand hours becoming
Speaker 7: a stand up comedian.
Speaker 9: I don't want to know. I don't want to drive
Speaker 9: the car. Let the drive car. You do it, you
Speaker 9: do it.
Speaker 4: And not only do I not want to spend the
Speaker 4: thirty thousand hours want I don't want.
Speaker 9: To pay for it.
Speaker 10: I don't you do anything make it free?
Speaker 9: Good.
Speaker 6: So my question that is to the to the next generation.
Speaker 7: Seriously, if we're going to save all this time because
Speaker 7: you don't want to do any of this stuff, great,
Speaker 7: what are you.
Speaker 9: Going to do?
Speaker 10: Exactly?
Speaker 13: We'll figure something out. We'll figure something out. Well, that's
Speaker 13: that's exactly right. I I first of all, I love
Speaker 13: that you're pursuing. Honestly, thank you for pursuing this. I
Speaker 13: wish you the best thing.
Speaker 4: I am hopeful and fascinating about where this goes and
Speaker 4: and you know, I hope we can follow up and
Speaker 4: to find out.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but I also I know.
Speaker 4: You're not your dad, and I'm sure my kids the
Speaker 4: last thing they want to talk about is me. But
Speaker 4: I I would be remiss to not say you are
Speaker 4: the daughter of one of the most special people that
Speaker 4: have embraced my lifetime.
Speaker 10: I'm not. I don't think of myself as a comedian,
Speaker 10: you know.
Speaker 4: But it was clear to me from the day I
Speaker 4: put the first needle on the first George Carlon album,
Speaker 4: I went, this guy is different.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, everybody knew that I can learn.
Speaker 10: As an actor from this man. I can learn as
Speaker 10: a writer. From this man. I can learn as a
Speaker 10: thinker from this man.
Speaker 4: I can learn as a feeling human being from this man.
Speaker 9: So he was one of the funniest angry guys I've
Speaker 9: ever met in my.
Speaker 7: Entire life, and one of the sweetest, one of the sweetest,
Speaker 7: kindest angry angry be angry because he had a broken
Speaker 7: heart humanity and he loved humanity. And that's that's what
Speaker 7: I couldn't believe it. He gave me is he gave
Speaker 7: me the gift of making sure that we all stay
Speaker 7: human and.
Speaker 9: Never go to a dentist with blood in his hair
Speaker 9: no reason.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 11: Really, the mainstream period there during the nineteen sixties was
Speaker 11: sort of a faint to the right to uh. You know,
Speaker 11: I thought I wanted to be like Danny Kay and
Speaker 11: all that from from childhood.
Speaker 9: And so I had in me.
Speaker 11: I had this this plan to become a movie actor, comedian,
Speaker 11: and somehow I forgot that I had grown up as
Speaker 11: an outlaw kid, you know, running away from home and
Speaker 11: stealing and breaking into places, getting kicked out of everything
Speaker 11: that had any degree of organization. And once they said
Speaker 11: we have some rules here as related or I either
Speaker 11: get kicked out or leave voluntarily. So so what I
Speaker 11: do is I sort of put that that kind of
Speaker 11: that that bad boy aside for a while and then
Speaker 11: finally it came back.
Speaker 9: Yeah. I mean even when you were looking like that,
Speaker 9: your humor was still there was.
Speaker 11: A Lucier bersus. Yeah, I was doing you know, Ali sleeve.
Speaker 11: The hippiew Weatherman was a pothead when in America didn't
Speaker 11: know that.
Speaker 9: They just thought he.
Speaker 10: Was sort of a paddle an addle to.
Speaker 11: Weather is now he smoked a grass.
Speaker 4: Was discussion with Kelly Carlin and uh and by the way,
Speaker 4: I got some of the cuts that I'm going to
Speaker 4: release of the interview that I did redear so they
Speaker 4: can hear.
Speaker 5: So nineteen ninety eight, it was a half now with
Speaker 5: George it was really and you've heard you heard. You
Speaker 5: heard the first four seconds and you started laughing because
Speaker 5: he's so great.
Speaker 9: Yes, so we'll put that up.
Speaker 3: Tell us more, David, You guys seem to be George Carlin.
Speaker 9: You know officionados.
Speaker 3: Well, I wanted to give you the big question.
Speaker 4: What are George Carlin's first seven dirty words.
Speaker 10: That he came up with the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 9: Wait, okay, here we go.
Speaker 3: Can you go to blee them.
Speaker 9: We're gonna you bleep them. Also if you believe the word,
Speaker 9: the F word, the he the bad word for.
Speaker 4: Uh, the the male genitalia.
Speaker 10: Uh licking.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, the not your father intercourse.
Speaker 9: Right right, very good, too much more. I know.
Speaker 10: The last one is, which is now no big deal.
Speaker 10: We at the time it was I don't like it.
Speaker 5: Now we gotta because we have advertisers don't want to
Speaker 5: hear the words. We're not gonna use this at all.
Speaker 5: All right, thank you, David.
Speaker 9: And he said that was it all.
Speaker 10: George call and stuff.
Speaker 4: Wow, what was your what was your absolute favorite single
Speaker 4: if you can even think of this in the moment,
Speaker 4: like the single most brilliant routine that you think he
Speaker 4: ever did.
Speaker 5: Oh, George's so many things that he did well, but
Speaker 5: but the thing I loved one of them. What God,
Speaker 5: there's somebody about the environment about about that. We're we're
Speaker 5: uaging polyurethane and we're using styrofoaming.
Speaker 9: I'm it's going to be here, You're going to be gone. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: save save it, don't do the styrofom I loved.
Speaker 4: I just loved his observations on wordplay. And then how
Speaker 4: he would use it, so it's not the first time
Speaker 4: on the planet. But when he started to do junk
Speaker 4: and stuff.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you got to buy the house to put this.
Speaker 10: Junk out of here, so I can't my stuff.
Speaker 9: Man. You know that was the stuff on the stuff
Speaker 9: and your stuff.
Speaker 10: If someone else is junk.
Speaker 5: And you know, now I got to buy a house
Speaker 5: because I got more stuff.
Speaker 9: So I gotta put a roof on my house.
Speaker 5: Now I gotta run a place to put my stuff, right,
Speaker 5: and then I'm going to take my stuff on vacation
Speaker 5: with me, So I'm warning the car with my stuff.
Speaker 5: It really was was he would construe it down again,
Speaker 5: I'm going to release you get to hear yeah, and
Speaker 5: you see.
Speaker 4: A special football analogy, and you know it was just
Speaker 4: you know, all good comedians do it. They drilled down
Speaker 4: on something that you don't think about much. But once
Speaker 4: he once he would find that thing to drill down on.
Speaker 5: He really but he also Jay, as we talked in
Speaker 5: the episode, he would also spend a year. Yeah, well, Jerry,
Speaker 5: you said, Jerry does that to these guys who are
Speaker 5: the top of the top of the if they're the
Speaker 5: top of the top, they worked that hard to get
Speaker 5: the junker because on some level we laugh, but they go,
Speaker 5: it's still it's not there.
Speaker 4: I actually bumped into a thing we did on Seinfeld
Speaker 4: about him two or three months ago, where I had
Speaker 4: reserved a car in New York City. I'm reserved it
Speaker 4: way ahead of time, did everything you're supposed to do.
Speaker 4: I get there, they don't have many cars, They don't
Speaker 4: have the cars. I go, I have a reservation. They go,
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking of the line that we did on
Speaker 4: Sign where Jerry he's reserved a car and they don't
Speaker 4: have it, and he goes, I have a reservation. He goes,
Speaker 4: I know you have a reservation show and his line is, no,
Speaker 4: you know how to take the reservation. You just don't
Speaker 4: know how to hold the reservation. And that's really the
Speaker 4: most important part of the reservation holding. Anybody can. It
Speaker 4: happens at hotels. It happens on who books a flight
Speaker 4: with fifty.
Speaker 10: More seats than the rest on the plane.
Speaker 5: Okay, but you know you're gonna get but we know
Speaker 5: you know you're going to get some fall off.
Speaker 10: But that's your problem.
Speaker 9: When you're coming. You don't over.
Speaker 4: Book it so that if they all show up, you
Speaker 4: go we got twenty people.
Speaker 10: We yes, we sold you a ticket to this flight,
Speaker 10: and then there we are not giving it to you.
Speaker 5: And then there's the thing that Larry did to finish
Speaker 5: this off. And I don't know if he did in
Speaker 5: the bit or if he said it to us at lunch.
Speaker 5: We said, I go to RESTNT for dinner and I
Speaker 5: show up at six o'clock and the woman says, I'll
Speaker 5: get your table ready in a minute. He goes, hold
Speaker 5: on a second, it's not ready now, and she says, no,
Speaker 5: we're just clearing it. We'll be ready. He goes, I
Speaker 5: had a reservation for six o'clock. She goes, I know,
Speaker 5: I'm just clearing the table, and he goes, not like
Speaker 5: I surprise you.
Speaker 9: You know, you know I've been coming for three months,
Speaker 9: and good night.
Speaker 10: Make a reservation for really no Really next week.
Speaker 9: We'll be here. We'll be here.
Speaker 5: We'll be here, thank you, We will we will really
Speaker 5: wear that kind of people, really.
Speaker 2: Now, really, really.
Speaker 10: Now, really.
Speaker 2: As another episode of Really No Really comes to a close,
Speaker 2: you're probably curious to know some more odd facts about
Speaker 2: the legendary George Carlin. Well, I'll provide them right after.
Speaker 2: I think our guest Kelly Carlin. Kelly is just about everywhere.
Speaker 2: Her website is the Kellycarlinsite dot com. She hosts The
Speaker 2: Kelly Carlin Show on Series XM's channel at Instea. She
Speaker 2: is at Kelly Carlin is here. Her memoir at Carlin
Speaker 2: Home Companion, Growing Up with George is available everywhere, and
Speaker 2: her podcast Waking from the American Dream is available where
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Speaker 2: And now here are some fun facts about George Carlin
Speaker 2: you probably didn't know George was one of only two
Speaker 2: funny kids at his summer tamp.
Speaker 3: The other was Wacky Wilson real name Dave Wilson, the.
Speaker 2: Longtime award winning direct her Saturday Night Live, of which
Speaker 2: the first guest, by the way, was George Carlan. George
Speaker 2: didn't always dream of being a comic. He hoped he'd
Speaker 2: be a full entertainer actor like his boyhood idol Danny Kaye.
Speaker 3: George kept extensive files of material.
Speaker 2: About thirteen hundred of them over forty four years, collecting thoughts, notions,
Speaker 2: and ideas for material. When George needed an angioplasty, he
Speaker 2: went right to the source, doctor Andreas Grunzig, the doctor
Speaker 2: who invented the procedure and though cenecal on stage. George
Speaker 2: was a great romantic and was married to his first wife, Brenda,
Speaker 2: for thirty seven years and nursed her through to her
Speaker 2: untimely death from liver cancer. George Carlin a good man,
Speaker 2: a great husband and father at an extraordinary comic genius.
Speaker 2: Let's agree he will never be copied.
Speaker 3: Really, no really. His production of iHeartRadio and Blase Entertainment