Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you
Speaker 2: a Charlotte?
Speaker 3: Hi?
Speaker 2: Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today we are
Speaker 2: having a really interesting conversation with Timothy Gibbs. And he
Speaker 2: played the detective who comes when Carrie gets robbed on
Speaker 2: the street in episode three seventeen, What Goes Around Comes Around,
Speaker 2: which was written by Darren Starr directed by Alan Colter,
Speaker 2: and he's a fascinating guy. So please enjoy this conversation
Speaker 2: with Timothy Gibbs.
Speaker 4: How's it going?
Speaker 5: Oh, it's going great. How about you good?
Speaker 4: It's pretty good. It's pretty good.
Speaker 2: We're in La and it seemed like the sky was
Speaker 2: going to fall last night, but it didn't, So we're okay.
Speaker 3: I've been I've been looking at it on the news.
Speaker 3: I'm over here in South Carolina and so what where?
Speaker 3: I'm just outside of Charleston.
Speaker 4: I love Charleston. I'm from Columbia.
Speaker 5: Oh really?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Do you know a little town called Ellery? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean not well, but yes, that's.
Speaker 3: That's where we are. We have our store and we
Speaker 3: have a couple of buildings here. Wow, on this little
Speaker 3: street with the one stop light.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, how adorable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty great.
Speaker 2: That's so sweet. Charleston is one of the absolute best cities.
Speaker 2: So you can just like zoop over to Charleston.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we love it.
Speaker 3: We're there a lot, and I mean that's where you
Speaker 3: go for for culture or anything because we're we're really
Speaker 3: this little community.
Speaker 5: It's tiny.
Speaker 3: I think we have now we're up to about six
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty residents.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, how amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty cool. And it's an hour.
Speaker 3: It's an hour from Columbia and it's an hour from Carleston.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: My kids love Charleston and they love the beach so much.
Speaker 2: And when we go to see Grandma and Columbia, they're.
Speaker 4: Like, are we going to the beach? We have to
Speaker 4: go to the beach, And sometimes we do. Sometimes we don't.
Speaker 5: How did you get from South Carolina to How did
Speaker 5: that happen?
Speaker 4: You know, just drive? I guess.
Speaker 2: I just I loved South Carolina. I love so many
Speaker 2: things about it. But at the same time, my parents
Speaker 2: had always taken me to New York to see theater
Speaker 2: every summer we would go, and to me, that was
Speaker 2: about the best thing that there was, right, So I
Speaker 2: was just like, I've got to get out of here
Speaker 2: and get up there. I've got to get to New York.
Speaker 2: I've got to get to New York. And then I
Speaker 2: ended up wanting to go to acting school, and I
Speaker 2: went to Rutgers because they had an MFA BFA program
Speaker 2: and you could kind of be there but also go
Speaker 2: into the city to see to see shows.
Speaker 4: You were close enough to the city.
Speaker 2: My dad taught at USC, the South Carolina USC, so
Speaker 2: he felt really strongly about college. So I went to
Speaker 2: college at Rutgers, and then I moved right to the city.
Speaker 2: I was an actress, waitress, you know, for a long time,
Speaker 2: and then I moved to LA and then I got
Speaker 2: work that took me back to New York. So it
Speaker 2: all worked out. But I do love the South and
Speaker 2: I do miss it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was I have lived every I was.
Speaker 3: Actually I did it in reverse. So I was born
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, WO and raised there Wow. And my
Speaker 3: father was an airline pilot. Cool, and back in those days,
Speaker 3: they gave you They gave the the employee a thing
Speaker 3: called a term pass for each family member and you
Speaker 3: could kind of take it look like a little credit
Speaker 3: card with your picture on it, and you just walk
Speaker 3: up to the ticket counter and you'd say, oh, I
Speaker 3: want to go here, and they'd put you on standby
Speaker 3: and off you'd go.
Speaker 4: Amazing.
Speaker 5: It was great. And I ended up traveling all over
Speaker 5: and I've lived.
Speaker 3: All over, but I had never lived in the South.
Speaker 3: So we've been here now, my wife and our two children.
Speaker 3: We've been here now for going on five years.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: I love it. I love it so much. That's a
Speaker 4: cool story.
Speaker 5: It's been great. It's been lovely.
Speaker 3: We have an antique and fine arts store here and
Speaker 3: and I build when I I sort of retired from
Speaker 3: acting and I I started building farmhouse furniture and uh, whoa.
Speaker 5: I was doing it as sort of a.
Speaker 3: Hobby and it just kind of took off and that's, uh,
Speaker 3: that's my primary business now.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I love farmhouse furniture.
Speaker 5: Oh cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm, you know, basically a Southern girl. So
Speaker 2: it's all all, it's all good, it's all good. This
Speaker 2: is very cool. I mean, I always love to catch
Speaker 2: up with people who are on our show because people
Speaker 2: are in such different places and doing such different things,
Speaker 2: which is very very interesting, you know, because acting is
Speaker 2: obviously not always like your your forever thing that you
Speaker 2: want to stay in, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know you you know as well
Speaker 3: as I do that the folks who can not only
Speaker 3: build build a career bout one with notoriety in it,
Speaker 3: and then maintain that over years and year, that's a
Speaker 3: really really difficult and special thing to be able to do.
Speaker 3: I always admire that the folks who have been able
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 5: You're one of those.
Speaker 4: People, barely Okay, well you know.
Speaker 3: But it's but it's you know, I started when I
Speaker 3: was very very young, and and and.
Speaker 5: It all just sort of happened to me.
Speaker 3: I didn't really I was too young to make it happen,
Speaker 3: so it had happen.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: And and I I've I've always had a good relationship
Speaker 3: with with the work and with the industry.
Speaker 5: I love it. I love the process.
Speaker 3: But I reached a point really where, you know, I
Speaker 3: think it was having children and finding the relationship I
Speaker 3: found because I had struggled in in the relationship area,
Speaker 3: and mostly at my own doing, I hadn't really become
Speaker 3: the person that I needed to be to maintain a
Speaker 3: good quality relationship that was you know, good, good for
Speaker 3: for both then and when I found that in my
Speaker 3: wife and found the kids. I really wanted to just
Speaker 3: plant myself, and we came back. We lived in Barcelona
Speaker 3: for ten years. We started at our store in Barcelona,
Speaker 3: and when then we moved it to the United States,
Speaker 3: and it kind of took off here and it made
Speaker 3: the decision for me, made it very easy.
Speaker 4: That's super interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think also being born here is
Speaker 2: first of all, is so rare, like you almost never
Speaker 2: meet people who were born in Los Angeles, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Very rare.
Speaker 2: And also I don't know how old you were when
Speaker 2: you started acting, but I can only imagine how kind
Speaker 2: of odd that is to be in it as a
Speaker 2: young person.
Speaker 5: You know, I was eleven when it happened. I can
Speaker 5: tell you.
Speaker 3: I was playing Pop Warner Football, which was little league football.
Speaker 3: And my coach was a commercial director and he with
Speaker 3: great guys and coach coach Blaine, Colin Blaine, and he
Speaker 3: went to my parents during the Actors strike of nineteen.
Speaker 5: Seven, the Eighth Wow, and he said.
Speaker 3: I can't hire a union actor during the strike, but
Speaker 3: your son is perfect for this commercial I'm shooting.
Speaker 5: And it was for gear Deli chocolate chip cookies.
Speaker 4: Amazing.
Speaker 5: So he goes, he goes to my dad.
Speaker 3: And he goes and my dad was coaching another team
Speaker 3: and he goes, will your son, do you think you
Speaker 3: think Tim would would want to eat chocolate chip cookies
Speaker 3: in a commercial for me? And my dad said, well,
Speaker 3: given how he eats them at home, I would imagine yes,
Speaker 3: but you know, go ask him. So he asked me,
Speaker 3: and of course I said yes. I ended up in
Speaker 3: San Francisco shooting this commercial, and long story short.
Speaker 5: That puts you into the union, right. You go through this,
Speaker 5: it's like a catch twenty two.
Speaker 3: You can't work if you're not in the union, but
Speaker 3: you can't get in the union if you haven't worked,
Speaker 3: And a strike offers that opportunity right to make that
Speaker 3: magic trick work.
Speaker 5: And that's what happened to me.
Speaker 3: And the next thing I knew, I was auditioning for
Speaker 3: Michael landon Wow or the spin off of Little House
Speaker 3: in the Prairie, Cold Father Murphy. It was on NBC
Speaker 3: for a few years, and I got that role and
Speaker 3: it changed everything.
Speaker 2: Amazing. But yet you seem very grounded and whole. You know,
Speaker 2: was there something that you did to get through being
Speaker 2: a child actor that helped you.
Speaker 3: You know, I wasn't always grounded, and I wasn't always whole. Okay,
Speaker 3: I've had First of all, i'm the youngest of five kids,
Speaker 3: and they've all played a role in one way or
Speaker 3: another of whole you know, grounding me at a different time,
Speaker 3: certainly when I was a younger, when I was a
Speaker 3: child actor and had more notoriety, and I sort of
Speaker 3: went from one series to another at that time.
Speaker 5: For a few years, I was too young to be
Speaker 5: to struggle with.
Speaker 3: Some of those social things that you struggle with when
Speaker 3: you get older, and so I had that family around me.
Speaker 5: It was so easy. You know.
Speaker 3: My parents were really involved and they had us going
Speaker 3: from one thing to another. They didn't take an eye
Speaker 3: office too much. So a lot of that stuff that
Speaker 3: happened to kids and child actors didn't happen to me.
Speaker 5: I was very, very fortunate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, oh gosh, good for them.
Speaker 3: But later, you know, I've I've I had my own
Speaker 3: fair share of struggles, and much of it was just
Speaker 3: self imposed, getting wrapped up in you know, maybe too
Speaker 3: much drinking or maybe drugs, stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, there's so much of it.
Speaker 3: You know, and I definitely had my fair share of
Speaker 3: years in there where I was putting more emphasis on
Speaker 3: going out and getting into trouble than I was on
Speaker 3: really anything else, And so that's not good. You're not
Speaker 3: really forming great relationships in that. And it wasn't until
Speaker 3: much later. I'm now almost sixty, but I've Patry and
Speaker 3: I have been married now for almost fifteen years, and
Speaker 3: it was when I met her that everything started to kind.
Speaker 5: Of come U.
Speaker 4: That's so nice.
Speaker 5: It's amazing.
Speaker 4: Help me put Sex.
Speaker 2: And City in the middle of this, Like, where were
Speaker 2: you in your career when you ended up being our
Speaker 2: incredibly good looking detective.
Speaker 5: You know what?
Speaker 3: That was a big year for me. I was on
Speaker 3: a daytime soap opera at the time, on One Life
Speaker 3: to Live, and I think I had just come off
Speaker 3: of just gotten an Emmy Daytime Emmy nomination, and that
Speaker 3: was a big deal for me, of course, and then
Speaker 3: I got this role.
Speaker 5: I went in and an audition for Alan the.
Speaker 3: Director, and he just makes a decision sort of on
Speaker 3: the spot, very quickly.
Speaker 4: He's a great guy. We love it so much. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a super talented guy too.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I walked in there and kind of walked
Speaker 3: out knowing that I was going to be on the show.
Speaker 3: And the thing that I knew about it, even though
Speaker 3: I think that was I think it was season.
Speaker 2: Two, Season three, Season three, our best season as far
Speaker 2: as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3: Season three, and it was like already it was in
Speaker 3: you know, the at the flashpoint of the zeitgeist, right,
Speaker 3: it was just y. I remember I did that show
Speaker 3: and then it aired, and it was it seemed like
Speaker 3: all the other work I'd done before, where you'd get
Speaker 3: stopped in the airport once every third trip.
Speaker 5: Now you're you're on Sex in the City. It doesn't
Speaker 5: matter whether you were a guest or or not.
Speaker 3: People are gonna are going to recognize you and recognize
Speaker 3: your work.
Speaker 5: And that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 3: I got a lot of questions I didn't know the
Speaker 3: answer to a lot of questions about you guys.
Speaker 2: Ah, well you really only wereked with, well you were
Speaker 2: with Sarah and Cynthia, but predominantly Cynthia.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: I don't think we ever met that.
Speaker 5: I know, no, we didn't.
Speaker 3: We didn't meet and and and if I'm totally honest,
Speaker 3: I I wanted to meet you. I think I wanted
Speaker 3: to meet you more than than than any of.
Speaker 4: Well why didn't we darn and I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't meet you. I remember talking to my buddy
Speaker 5: Paul was like, what's what was it like? Did you
Speaker 5: meet christ?
Speaker 4: And I said, no, I wish I had met you too.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I must have been I feel like
Speaker 2: in this episode, I'm off in Connecticut with the Kyle's family,
Speaker 2: the Tree family, and I do know we went to Connecticut,
Speaker 2: so I might have actually physically not even been around.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, you know how it is on sets.
Speaker 3: You can it's possible for you to you know, it's
Speaker 3: possible for you to inhabit two.
Speaker 5: Roles that are well featured. You might not ever see
Speaker 5: each other. It's true.
Speaker 4: But it's a bummer.
Speaker 2: It's a bummer because sometimes we would have read throughs
Speaker 2: where everyone would be there. But I don't know if
Speaker 2: at this point in the season, because I think at
Speaker 2: this point in the season, this is three seventeen, so
Speaker 2: it was like back in the day where we used
Speaker 2: to make so many episodes in a season, right. I
Speaker 2: think we were hectic, you know, we'd gone to la
Speaker 2: I think, and come back like we were.
Speaker 4: I think we just lost our minds at this point
Speaker 4: in this season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I remember it being very It felt
Speaker 3: to me anyway, like kind of an efficient machine that
Speaker 3: was moving very fast, much faster than I expected. Of course,
Speaker 3: you know on daytime in soaps it moves so lightning fast.
Speaker 4: Oh god, I was on a soap once. It was crazy.
Speaker 5: Yes, it is crazy.
Speaker 3: So you're like, you know, on a busy show, your
Speaker 3: thirty pages of dialogue a day, and.
Speaker 5: So I went there. It was like a vacation. No,
Speaker 5: it was a few lines here, a few lines there,
Speaker 5: and it was great.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: I have a pressing question for you, though, I've been
Speaker 2: really curious about this. Is it my imagination or was
Speaker 2: there a part of this that you filmed with Cynthia
Speaker 2: where she throws up on you while you're having sex.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's true, right, yeah, yeah, I'm right.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is so crazy to me because you know
Speaker 2: they cut it out.
Speaker 5: Oh I know, they cut it out.
Speaker 3: They cut it out, and they changed the ending so
Speaker 3: that she wakes up with that massive hangover, stumbles down
Speaker 3: her hallway and finds a note. She thinks it's going
Speaker 3: to be his phone number, and he's left through the
Speaker 3: phone number to AA.
Speaker 4: Is so sad. It is so sad.
Speaker 2: So what do you remember, like, because I remember there
Speaker 2: was a lot of discussion.
Speaker 4: There was soup.
Speaker 2: They put soup like Campbell's soup in the thing, and
Speaker 2: they put a tube and she had to throw up
Speaker 2: on you while you're having sex.
Speaker 3: You're one hundred percent right, wow, most. First of all,
Speaker 3: let's talk sex scenes in Hollywood. It's not it's the most.
Speaker 3: It's mortifying. It's you've got, you know, a bunch of
Speaker 3: people around doing the various things that need to be done,
Speaker 3: from lighting to measuring your note. You're trying to get
Speaker 3: the rolling around right and the kissing right and the hole.
Speaker 5: It's just crazy.
Speaker 3: So with of course, Cynthia made it easy. She's a
Speaker 3: total pro the way they had this thing structured. Right,
Speaker 3: I'm in her bed, I got the pillows behind me,
Speaker 3: she's straddling me, so i'm you know, they've got me
Speaker 3: naked from the waist up and they've got her in
Speaker 3: the pasty so she's got the bare back and they're
Speaker 3: over her shoulder or no, no, for this particular shot,
Speaker 3: they're like they're in a two shot on the side
Speaker 3: and her profile is blocking the machine. Which is basically
Speaker 3: like this massive like two inch or three inch cannon
Speaker 3: that they've set up that's like air actuated, right, and
Speaker 3: they filled it with with with with chunky soup.
Speaker 5: Yes, and they and then the way the scene was written.
Speaker 3: Was she's sort of, you know, I got to go
Speaker 3: through it, so sho, sort of She's writhing on top
Speaker 3: of me, and we're we're you know, and and and
Speaker 3: I'm holding her and and and she's getting seasick from
Speaker 3: all the drinking that she did, right, and so for
Speaker 3: whatever reason she felt inadequate, she drank herself through it.
Speaker 3: She starts to get sick motion sickness, and she throws
Speaker 3: up on me and they fire this They fire this
Speaker 3: stuff out of the cannon and it's like projectile, like
Speaker 3: horizontal across the screen, just right into my face and
Speaker 3: in my mouth and in my own and in my chest,
Speaker 3: and oh my god. I didn't have to do anything
Speaker 3: because I don't need to react really beyond yeah. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just well, they looked at that, apparently, this is
Speaker 3: what I heard. I heard they looked at it in post,
Speaker 3: of course, and they were like, no, we can't. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's like Linda.
Speaker 5: Blair on you know, on Mescal and we can't, we
Speaker 5: can't do this.
Speaker 3: We my god, this is going to be indelible. They're
Speaker 3: only going to remember this, I'm imagining was their inner dialogue.
Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, they just thought it was too
Speaker 3: gruesome to be able to show it, and they changed it.
Speaker 5: But a lot of people don't know that, you know,
Speaker 5: in somewhere that footage exists.
Speaker 2: I know see in my mind it was so vividly written,
Speaker 2: and I feel like somehow I might have seen the
Speaker 2: dailies because Cynthia used to love to watch her dailies
Speaker 2: and it was really extreme, like I have a very
Speaker 2: vivid image of it in my mind, and I didn't
Speaker 2: really I wasn't sure that they cut it out, but
Speaker 2: I do remember conversation about it, and remember that the
Speaker 2: conversation was that it went too far in the embarrassment
Speaker 2: of Miranda, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes sense because they do love.
Speaker 2: To embarrass us, like all of the characters get embarrassed
Speaker 2: in different ways throughout the years.
Speaker 4: But this was kind of maybe just like too.
Speaker 3: Far, I think so, I think so, I think maybe
Speaker 3: if they I don't know, if they had somehow not
Speaker 3: shown the actual yeah, action of it all. Maybe it
Speaker 3: would have worked, but hey, listen, I think they ended
Speaker 3: up with a satisfactory ending.
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Speaker 2: I think that since we're talking about unforgettable style, I
Speaker 2: cannot choose anything except for Sarah Jessica walking down the
Speaker 2: street in the newspaper or print dere because it's so beautiful,
Speaker 2: and not only is it so beautiful, it tells the
Speaker 2: story so beautifully of you know, kind of where she's at.
Speaker 2: It's got the city, it's got the long lens, the
Speaker 2: way Allen Colter filmed her, the way that wind is
Speaker 2: blowing her hair, because you know that that is not
Speaker 2: a shot that we could have in any way affected
Speaker 2: the wind. Right, he's probably a whole block away. There
Speaker 2: are cars passing in front of her. I just think
Speaker 2: it's so beautiful that I could watch it over and
Speaker 2: over and over again. And the way that she's alone
Speaker 2: and there's these cars passing which kind of obscure her,
Speaker 2: kind of in the way that the character Carrie isn't
Speaker 2: clear in her life about what she's doing and about
Speaker 2: what she's done, and she's trying to come to kind
Speaker 2: of terms with her own actions in terms of having
Speaker 2: the affair with Big and what does it mean And
Speaker 2: now that he's separated from his wife and he's alone somewhere,
Speaker 2: but yet she's alone on the street. We're not with her,
Speaker 2: you know, she's very much framed by strangers passing behind
Speaker 2: her and cars passing in front of her. It's just
Speaker 2: so incredibly beautiful that I could watch it over and
Speaker 2: over again, and to me, it's crazy to think about
Speaker 2: how that was one moment in just a TV show
Speaker 2: at the time that was twenty five minutes long. It
Speaker 2: blows my mind.
Speaker 4: And that's one of.
Speaker 2: The joys of getting to rewatch the show is that
Speaker 2: I'm just so impressed with everyone involved with our show,
Speaker 2: the writers, the directors, our DP, our camera operators, like
Speaker 2: everyone was just doing their best best work, and I'm
Speaker 2: so proud of it. Hope that would be my Hyndai
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Speaker 2: making everyday epic. Well, you have a lot of dignity
Speaker 2: your part. You have a lot of dignity. Like the
Speaker 2: thing that I love about your part, it's kind of
Speaker 2: unusual for a man who's kind of a guest star
Speaker 2: type of guy. Right, you know, you come, you're the detective.
Speaker 2: When Sarah gets Carrie gets held up in the street,
Speaker 2: which is also really odd, a very odd scene, right,
Speaker 2: like this guy pulls his gun out and she kind
Speaker 2: of thinks it's a joke, which I kind of understand
Speaker 2: because it's total daylight.
Speaker 4: It's all very odd. And then you come.
Speaker 2: You're very professional. You know, you're very good looking, but
Speaker 2: you're very professional.
Speaker 4: And then Miranda.
Speaker 2: Shows up and the first thing you say to her
Speaker 2: is something about like, oh maybe you should read me
Speaker 2: my Miranda writes or come with me, right, a funny
Speaker 2: little joke, like you're like you have an interesting combination
Speaker 2: of like dignity, you know what I'm saying, because you're
Speaker 2: the cop and you're not really like overdoing it, but
Speaker 2: you're also kind of flirty and good looking and interesting.
Speaker 4: So she's all like a flutter.
Speaker 2: And then Carrie is like trying to get your attention
Speaker 2: while you two were talking, She's like standing on her
Speaker 2: toes and stuff.
Speaker 4: Do you remember this? It's really funny.
Speaker 3: I love the scene where she gets jacked for her
Speaker 3: Manola bloonnos which was part of that. And I'll tell
Speaker 3: you some of the things that I liked about this,
Speaker 3: the way they that Alan also his direction. So when
Speaker 3: we're in the restaurant, and I've had a lot of
Speaker 3: comments about this, when we're in the restaurant, Alan told me,
Speaker 3: you know your attention is on her, that all this
Speaker 3: external attention this character is getting, you don't notice that
Speaker 3: at all. And of course it makes complete sense that
Speaker 3: he It goes to supporting the idea that he's entirely
Speaker 3: enamored with her. And I love the way that read
Speaker 3: when I watched it. When I watch it in the episode,
Speaker 3: I love the way that that simple little thing, it's
Speaker 3: not even the dialogue really, it's just the action that
Speaker 3: that this guy is genuinely focused on her and not
Speaker 3: on any of this external energy that he's getting. And
Speaker 3: I liked the character for that. I think that's part
Speaker 3: of where the dignity the character comes from. Yeah, there
Speaker 3: was another thing that happened that that happens a lot
Speaker 3: as a result, which is kind of anecdotal, but it's funny.
Speaker 5: The comment, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3: The comment I would get the most of consistently from
Speaker 3: people who knew me and didn't know me was.
Speaker 5: You have really nice hands, and that was what they
Speaker 5: would say.
Speaker 3: And I came away from that, I mean, as an actor,
Speaker 3: I came away thinking maybe I should be a hand mom.
Speaker 5: Totally.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I thought.
Speaker 5: That's what went through my head, which is not great
Speaker 5: for an actor to think. It's not a great review
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's a good review. That's a nice thing.
Speaker 3: No, it was that experience was a great one. And
Speaker 3: here you have an example of something that was a small,
Speaker 3: little blip in terms of the time that it took.
Speaker 3: But because it was such a popular program, and because
Speaker 3: you guys had landed so solidly with the public, they
Speaker 3: they come on.
Speaker 5: I mean they.
Speaker 3: Still devour that show. I still watch that show. I
Speaker 3: love watching that shows.
Speaker 5: It's not only a love letter to New York, which.
Speaker 3: Is an aspect of it that I that is near
Speaker 3: and dear to me. I can't not watch something that's
Speaker 3: a love letter either to La or New York. But
Speaker 3: it's also just the nature of what you talked about earlier,
Speaker 3: how they made you guys very.
Speaker 5: Human when they made fun of.
Speaker 2: You, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, our writers obviously are you know, excellent and
Speaker 2: the reason in our minds.
Speaker 4: For the success.
Speaker 2: We we're just lucky as actors, you know, to get
Speaker 2: that job right. But I love like and that's what
Speaker 2: I love about about There's a few a few guys,
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to think now of other ones.
Speaker 4: It's hard to even think of other ones.
Speaker 2: Where you know, like Miranda because of her insecurity, because
Speaker 2: she feels like you're better looking than she is, which
Speaker 2: is so relatable and adorable. She messes up right, like
Speaker 2: she messes up a good thing because you have all
Speaker 2: the dignity.
Speaker 4: You're a cop.
Speaker 2: You're totally focused on her, even though the whole restaurant
Speaker 2: is looking at you, which is also kind of an
Speaker 2: interesting It's like a you know, you're like the really
Speaker 2: good looking girl but with a heart of gold, like
Speaker 2: totally focused and professional and appropriate and all of the
Speaker 2: things right. And it would have still been true if
Speaker 2: they had kept in the throwing up part because you're
Speaker 2: also like, you know, like what are you supposed to.
Speaker 4: Do with that?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: But without it and writing the AA note also amazing,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like I love the arc.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do, I get it. He was a good
Speaker 5: He was a good guy. And it's.
Speaker 3: Still when I watched the episode, I know, I'm kind
Speaker 3: of taking us off on a date.
Speaker 4: You can go anyway.
Speaker 3: I'm probably going to get this. You can probably if
Speaker 3: you haven't gotten to it before me, you're going to
Speaker 3: get to it. I thought that the character who for
Speaker 3: me stole that show was the actor who played Sam.
Speaker 4: It's so funny. I am a doctor, it's so funny.
Speaker 4: I know who is that guy?
Speaker 1: I don't know it.
Speaker 3: He was absolutely hysterical, and it really was. I mean
Speaker 3: everything from the voice to the temperament and when he
Speaker 3: starts to get like needy.
Speaker 5: How funny.
Speaker 4: That's so funny.
Speaker 5: The sex scenes were hilarious.
Speaker 2: Hilarious, hilarious, And a lot of that is Alan Coulter too,
Speaker 2: as you said, like he the way that I think
Speaker 2: Ellen Colter makes actors feel very comfortable, right, which is
Speaker 2: really nice.
Speaker 4: And then he's also.
Speaker 2: Really creative about the shots and how he does them.
Speaker 2: And I had one hundred percent forgotten that entire storyline.
Speaker 2: Like sometimes when I'm watching, I'm really watching for the
Speaker 2: first time because I don't remember anything really, and I
Speaker 2: didn't remember that storyline, not for one tiny second. I
Speaker 2: was like, who is Sam Jones?
Speaker 4: What is this? I didn't know? And then it's this kid.
Speaker 2: And I don't know who that actor is. I don't
Speaker 2: know why he has that accent.
Speaker 5: What was going on?
Speaker 4: He's great.
Speaker 2: And also it's so funny the way that the writing,
Speaker 2: because so the basic gist for anyone who doesn't remember
Speaker 2: is that Sam is Samantha's at home in her new
Speaker 2: loft and she's getting all these phone calls about this party,
Speaker 2: this big blowout that she's throwing, and all these guys
Speaker 2: are calling to say that they're coming, So that kind
Speaker 2: of piques her interest because she doesn't know what they're
Speaker 2: talking about. And then she calls the guy that she
Speaker 2: says something to one of the guys calling her to
Speaker 2: confirm going to the party.
Speaker 4: She says, like, who, you know what party? And he
Speaker 4: tells them.
Speaker 2: Where and it's a it's it's it's like a downtown
Speaker 2: uh you know, it's by Washington Square Park, right, So
Speaker 2: she thinks it's very posh, because of course you would
Speaker 2: think an address down there would be very posh. Well,
Speaker 2: it's New York University, so it's it's like a fricking
Speaker 2: house exactly it's in a dorm, which is so mortifying.
Speaker 2: She makes carry go, I had not remembered any of this.
Speaker 2: It's really funny.
Speaker 4: They go in.
Speaker 2: Carrie's like, you know, don't tell anyone we did this.
Speaker 2: So they go in and there's all these young people
Speaker 2: and she goes up to the guy, who is sam
Speaker 2: Jones also, and he tells her he's a virgin, I believe,
Speaker 2: which is also really funny, and you can see her
Speaker 2: eyes light up. But then she's like, no, no, we're
Speaker 2: gonna leave, you know, which is the right thing to do,
Speaker 2: and then he pursues her or whatever. Right like, he
Speaker 2: comes over. It's crazy, and they have like very athletic sex,
Speaker 2: very athletic and creatively filmed sex, and he's of course thrilled,
Speaker 2: you know, and she's of course like not really thrilled,
Speaker 2: though she does see more nowt but not like she's
Speaker 2: not in her Samantha Jones way excited. But he is
Speaker 2: very excited and tells her he loves her, and she's
Speaker 2: like bye bye.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, and then he just starts to evolve, right.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's exact.
Speaker 5: I found that.
Speaker 3: Whole thing to be kind of poignant but also extremely
Speaker 3: funny and touching. That's the sort of that's the thing
Speaker 3: that show did, is you you don't feel the needle
Speaker 3: going in, but it did, from time to time touch
Speaker 3: on something important or something. There's a lesson in there.
Speaker 3: They're very often a lesson in there, hidden away, and
Speaker 3: all the laughs and all of that.
Speaker 5: That's what made it so.
Speaker 3: I think it was one of the things that obviously
Speaker 3: it's your chemistry, you guys. They got so lucky when
Speaker 3: they cast that show and they figured out because you know,
Speaker 3: at any given place that could have gone off the
Speaker 3: rails or not worked from a chemistry point. That's true
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of there's a lot of you.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of you there.
Speaker 4: You know, there are a lot of us there, right, and.
Speaker 3: So it just it was magic that that chemistry and
Speaker 3: everything worked out the way that it did.
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true, and it was magic because none
Speaker 2: of us read together, you know, now they would do
Speaker 2: the chemistry.
Speaker 5: Really yeah, I thought that that you. I would have
Speaker 5: thought for sure that you read together.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: That's why it's also so just kind of odd. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like Kismet or whatever. It's a strange thing.
Speaker 5: So walk me through. What how did you? How did
Speaker 5: it work out for you? You get this? Obviously your
Speaker 5: agent calls you, you get this audition?
Speaker 2: What not exactly like that because I already knew Darren
Speaker 2: Starr who actually wrote this episode?
Speaker 4: Is that right? Am I correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Darren Starr wrote this episode, which is interesting because
Speaker 2: I didn't realize. I know, it's a great episode, I
Speaker 2: didn't realize he Darren has described himself in interviews as
Speaker 2: being like a shark, like he has to keep moving,
Speaker 2: so he likes to create shows and then move on
Speaker 2: generally speaking. So I knew him because he cast me
Speaker 2: on Melrose, and right after Melrose he left, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh no, my guy left because he was
Speaker 2: the only guy who seemed to understand my character. So
Speaker 2: then they were like, we don't know what to do
Speaker 2: with this character, and so they killed me off, which
Speaker 2: was fine. I did I think thirty six episodes some
Speaker 2: insane amount of episodes.
Speaker 4: Of that show.
Speaker 2: And then he had thought to himself that he was
Speaker 2: tired of regular network stuff and he wanted to go
Speaker 2: to HBO, even though HBO wasn't really known for original programming,
Speaker 2: So he options Candice Bushnell's book of the column Sex
Speaker 2: and the City and he takes it to HBO and
Speaker 2: he makes a deal at HBO and they're going to
Speaker 2: make this pilot. And it was kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: for all the actresses in LA it was like, what
Speaker 2: like four women stomping around New York City and outfits
Speaker 2: like they're in charge, like what Like it was unheard of,
Speaker 2: you know, and it still is kind of unheard of,
Speaker 2: which is a sad commentary, I think on our business.
Speaker 2: But at the time, which was I think nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: that's when we got cast in the pilot, it was,
Speaker 2: you know, like just I remember just thinking.
Speaker 4: So the short version of the story.
Speaker 2: He sends me the script because they had wanted Sir
Speaker 2: Jessica to play Carry she was getting cold feet about
Speaker 2: committing to a television show. So he sent me the
Speaker 2: script with a little note that said, Kristen read this
Speaker 2: for the role of Carrie. And I was like, I
Speaker 2: can't play this Carrie part ah, because I knew myself
Speaker 2: and I was very Southern at that point inside, even
Speaker 2: though I don't know people knew that or not or whatever,
Speaker 2: and I thought I was Charlotte because I related much
Speaker 2: more to Charlotte. So I said, Darren, I can't play
Speaker 2: this part. I've got to play this other, this one
Speaker 2: over here, and he was like, okay, all right. So
Speaker 2: then I went in.
Speaker 4: To test.
Speaker 2: I didn't have to do anything but test because he
Speaker 2: knew me. I go into test and they seemed very
Speaker 2: unsure about everything, except for Sara Jusica because at that
Speaker 2: point they had really like put all their eggs in
Speaker 2: that basket.
Speaker 4: They really wanted Sarah. They were talking to.
Speaker 2: Comedians about Samantha. They had asked Kim and Kim said no.
Speaker 2: I think she said no twice. So they were kind
Speaker 2: of in this thing between Sara Juskain and Kim, Sarajuska
Speaker 2: and Kim. No one had ever met anyone except Cynthia
Speaker 2: and Sarah knew each.
Speaker 4: Other from Broadway and they had worked together before, but.
Speaker 2: No one ever had anyone read together as these parts
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 3: At that surprises me, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: So Cynthia was in New York, I was in LA.
Speaker 2: They had tested Cynthia as well. She told the story
Speaker 2: when she came on the podcast, and then they were
Speaker 2: they for both of us.
Speaker 4: They let it go.
Speaker 2: You know, when you test, you have like a set
Speaker 2: period of time that they have to tell you. It's
Speaker 2: like two weeks or something like this. They had gone
Speaker 2: to the eleventh hour for her and not told her.
Speaker 2: So her manager was calling them basically saying, you're going
Speaker 2: to lose Cynthia. Because it was still pilot season. Remember
Speaker 2: in the days of pilot season. Yep, she's her manager
Speaker 2: was calling them every hour saying, you're going to lose her.
Speaker 4: You're gonna lose her. She's getting on a plane.
Speaker 2: To go to LA to shoot a pilot and if
Speaker 2: you don't get her before then she's going to do
Speaker 2: this other show. Because really she didn't want to go
Speaker 2: do this other show in LA. She wanted to stay
Speaker 2: in New York and do our show. So the manager
Speaker 2: had to. Emily had to do her managerial thing right,
Speaker 2: and mine mine. I'm like dying, like so tortured by
Speaker 2: having to wait, like every day I'm my lawyer. Every day,
Speaker 2: I'm calling my manager, every day I'm calling my agent, like.
Speaker 4: Did they call you? Did they call you? What is happening?
Speaker 4: I'm just like out of my ever loving mind.
Speaker 2: So on the final day, they still hadn't called, and
Speaker 2: so I went to the movies in the daytime down
Speaker 2: at Santa Monica AMC just to try.
Speaker 4: To get through a couple of guys. I've been there, right,
Speaker 4: it's so hard.
Speaker 2: And I remember being in the parking lot. I had
Speaker 2: my little clunky cell phone at the time, in the
Speaker 2: beginning of the cell phones, and I called my manager.
Speaker 4: Like, what did you hear anything? And he was like yeah.
Speaker 2: They finally said yeah, but they seemed kind of on
Speaker 2: the fence and I was like, ah.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll just go do it. It'll be all right.
Speaker 2: And I went and did it, and then they tried
Speaker 2: to demote me to recurring. It's a long story, but
Speaker 2: it all worked out. It all worked, It.
Speaker 3: Worked out beautifully, and I so they answered they answered
Speaker 3: their question of.
Speaker 5: Whether or not you were Charlotte. Yes, And I think
Speaker 5: you answered it really well.
Speaker 4: Thank you. So wait, tell me a little bit you
Speaker 4: you alluded to it.
Speaker 2: But so tell me what it was like when the
Speaker 2: show aired and you'd be walking around. What do people
Speaker 2: say to you?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: It was amazing. First of all, I had that year
Speaker 3: was quite a year for me where two things happened
Speaker 3: that were unexpected. They were different jobs for me. Sex
Speaker 3: and the City, of course was one of them, and
Speaker 3: then I did. I was called this is funny. I
Speaker 3: was called well, okay, my agent in New York gets
Speaker 3: a submission from these fellows that come over from Europe
Speaker 3: and they're producing a new video game that's a sequel
Speaker 3: to another one. It's called Max Pain. It was the
Speaker 3: sequel to Max Pain. It was the game. But they said,
Speaker 3: what we're doing is looking for an actor because we're
Speaker 3: going to actually capture not just the motion, but we're
Speaker 3: going to capture his face and his movements through the
Speaker 3: graphic novel and into the game. And it's like this
Speaker 3: two and a half month experience, and we are looking
Speaker 3: for someone who looks like this guy.
Speaker 5: And they put they gave my picture to my agent. Yeah, swear,
Speaker 5: that's freaky totally.
Speaker 3: My agent calls me because you're not going to believe this,
Speaker 3: But I was just given your picture and told to
Speaker 3: find a guy that looks like you.
Speaker 5: And I said, you're kidding for what?
Speaker 3: And he explains the whole thing, and I go, well,
Speaker 3: here's the thing.
Speaker 1: If I don't get this, I mean, if I don't
Speaker 1: get this, then there's either something wrong with me or
Speaker 1: I definitely have the right to be somehow pissed.
Speaker 5: So I go and meet them and it was a
Speaker 5: nice meeting. It was great.
Speaker 3: I ended up getting this thing, and it was so
Speaker 3: interesting because the video game community, Yeah, is this ferocious,
Speaker 3: you know, infected in a good way, very involved. Like
Speaker 3: if you think the soap opera, the daytime soap opera
Speaker 3: fans are rabid, no, no, no, the video game fans are.
Speaker 3: You know, they're they're like comic book and they know
Speaker 3: everything that's that's supposed to happen and how every fiber
Speaker 3: is supposed to look. And so it was that was
Speaker 3: something that even to this day, people are still you know,
Speaker 3: I still have connections to to people who are affected
Speaker 3: by that fans of that game, and the same with
Speaker 3: with with Sex and the City. So this thing airs
Speaker 3: and I start getting stopped on the street in New York.
Speaker 3: I was still shooting the show The one uh one
Speaker 3: Life to Live, and I was getting stopped all.
Speaker 5: The time when it was airing.
Speaker 3: You know, just tell asking me if I was on
Speaker 3: the show, did you play Hey were you Stevens?
Speaker 5: And that of course was you know in the in
Speaker 5: in in in the.
Speaker 3: Over the years in which I was an actor, I
Speaker 3: didn't quite have that kind of notoriety. Even on daytime
Speaker 3: where where it was somewhat popular, you don't really have
Speaker 3: that kind of engagement with with the folks who watch.
Speaker 5: So I was gratified by that.
Speaker 3: Actually, I thought it was fun to meet all those
Speaker 3: people and you'd catch a quick story about who they
Speaker 3: are or what share their thoughts on the show. But
Speaker 3: they would always ask me about you guys. They would
Speaker 3: have always ask me questions about all of you, you know,
Speaker 3: as questions about Cynthia that I couldn't answer because they
Speaker 3: think that we know each other better than we do.
Speaker 5: And so there was a lot of that, and a
Speaker 5: lot of the hands thing, you know, the hands interesting.
Speaker 3: That was so weird, And I know why because in
Speaker 3: the restaurant scene, in those shots it's with the wine glasses.
Speaker 5: It's basically, my hands are like a third character.
Speaker 4: Interesting. I was not looking at that. I'm going to
Speaker 4: have to look back at it. I like it. I
Speaker 4: like it. Do you miss acting sometimes?
Speaker 3: I do?
Speaker 5: Sometimes I do? Yeah, sometimes I You know.
Speaker 3: The last thing I did was an independent series a
Speaker 3: few years back called Paper Empire. It hasn't really gone
Speaker 3: too far that that thing. It was a producer went
Speaker 3: and made it on his own dime and started trying
Speaker 3: to sell it around town. You know how that can go. Yes,
Speaker 3: but it's the the experience of being in front of
Speaker 3: the camera is the same, no matter what the sales
Speaker 3: experiences later for something. As the actor, you have the
Speaker 3: same the same sort of feelings. Yeah, it's always been.
Speaker 3: It had always been a career that had been good
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 5: And and.
Speaker 3: I sometimes still even questioned the why did I did
Speaker 3: I stop?
Speaker 5: And and you.
Speaker 3: Know those are that's it's an interesting I mean to
Speaker 3: be very honest with you. I think that it's a
Speaker 3: confluence of things. Really, I think it I had some
Speaker 3: insecurity that might have led to putting an arms distance
Speaker 3: between the experience of incessantly auditioning and going you know,
Speaker 3: the nature of an act it is, you know, you
Speaker 3: know as well as I do that the nature of
Speaker 3: an actor is that you're you're you're out of work constantly,
Speaker 3: even when you're working, and when you're working, you're looking
Speaker 3: for the next thing, and you're.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 3: I when I found an opportunity to be grounded, I
Speaker 3: found it. I was enamored by it. I felt like
Speaker 3: I had been hugged. And I don't mean to make
Speaker 3: it too heady or any of that. But I think
Speaker 3: it was a combination of me meeting Patrie, my wife,
Speaker 3: and you know, I have and have had something that
Speaker 3: I think, perhaps unfortunately most people may never have, and
Speaker 3: it is I have this extraordinary relationship that is enriched
Speaker 3: me and made me so much better than I was.
Speaker 4: And that's amazing.
Speaker 3: It is, it is amazing, it is. It is nothing
Speaker 3: short of amazing. And I don't know why that happened.
Speaker 3: And then I have these we have these two beautiful children,
Speaker 3: and I don't know, I just got I got this
Speaker 3: point where I said, now I have everything I need
Speaker 3: sort of, and I can maybe stop swimming against the
Speaker 3: current to try to be something.
Speaker 2: More that makes sense to me. I think that's super smart.
Speaker 2: I think that's a smart way to go. I mean,
Speaker 2: you'd already had a whole career.
Speaker 3: You know, at times it feels smart. Sometimes it feels
Speaker 3: like I gave up. Some days it feels, you know,
Speaker 3: like it was right. And it's just that's just something
Speaker 3: that it changes as you think things through and as
Speaker 3: you're and also you know what all strikes you as
Speaker 3: you go and you see like, for instance, you go
Speaker 3: see something like and by no means in my comparing
Speaker 3: my my own abilities to the likes of these, I
Speaker 3: would mention, but you go, you go and see one
Speaker 3: battle after another.
Speaker 5: And you know how they.
Speaker 3: Generally, you know the process of making it, and and
Speaker 3: and as an actor who's done it for so long,
Speaker 3: it's impossible for you not to opine for for for
Speaker 3: that opportunity or that feeling. And I don't think I
Speaker 3: don't think that ever leaves you, that you you would
Speaker 3: just simply not ever want to feel that again.
Speaker 5: Right, I think that.
Speaker 3: It's not a struggle though, in the sense that when
Speaker 3: I tell you that you know how I feel on
Speaker 3: my home front, it really that it really is true,
Speaker 3: and that really sort of makes everything so much easier.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think it's super fascinating.
Speaker 2: I also feel like it's it is kind of it's
Speaker 2: because you started at eleven, right, Like that is you
Speaker 2: already had the length of a career of like an
Speaker 2: incredible career.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did, I did, I did, I had, I mean,
Speaker 3: I god, I had. My career had been It's been
Speaker 3: an interesting one. I played, sure, I played Merlin Olsen's son,
Speaker 3: who was the famous linebacker for the Rams. Wow, I
Speaker 3: played OJ Simpson's adopted son.
Speaker 5: What yes, what was that? Like?
Speaker 4: We have to stop right there for a second.
Speaker 5: Oh what yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What year was that?
Speaker 5: Okay? That was my That was nineteen seven.
Speaker 3: It was either nineteen I'm gonna say it was nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy nine or nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 4: Okay much? And what was he like?
Speaker 3: Well, you know that's the isn't that the thing with him?
Speaker 3: That he was this very personable magnetic figure with a
Speaker 3: big smile like Magic Johnson. But we all, you know,
Speaker 3: didn't realize that his heart was not like Magic Johnson's heart, right.
Speaker 3: But I played a It was a sequel to one
Speaker 3: of his TV movies that was very successful called Goldie
Speaker 3: in the Boxer, And this was called Goldie in the
Speaker 3: Boxer goes to Hollywood and this this heavyweight fighter adopts
Speaker 3: a bunch of orphans who live behind the movie sets, wow,
Speaker 3: and and becomes kind of a father figure to them.
Speaker 3: And I remember he signed a ball that I have
Speaker 3: somewhere that to my family, to the Gibbs family, and
Speaker 3: it says peace oh J Simpson.
Speaker 4: Oh, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean crazy things that in other words, I've had
Speaker 3: a very interesting track and been able to work with
Speaker 3: some great people. I played Chad evertts Son and then
Speaker 3: Stephen Cannell series, so all of these different experiences, and
Speaker 3: and of course in Barcelona, in Spain, I was shooting
Speaker 3: movies there, yeah, and that was quite quite fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's that this career, when practiced at a
Speaker 3: certain level, can take you all over and you meet
Speaker 3: all kinds of people, you shoot in all different kinds
Speaker 3: of lands, and you learn a lot and it's enriching
Speaker 3: in so many ways. So I definitely feel like I
Speaker 3: had that experience, which is.
Speaker 2: So great, so great, and I think that is a
Speaker 2: beautiful thing that you found this this incredible relationship and
Speaker 2: grounded family and you're building furniture.
Speaker 4: I think that sounds amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the most it's it's so it's so much fun.
Speaker 5: I'll show you in my store right now. Okay, so
Speaker 5: this is one of the tables. We build this very old,
Speaker 5: very old, primitive stuff.
Speaker 4: It's so beautiful.
Speaker 5: And then we build these stools.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so this is uh, this is my life.
Speaker 4: Now, gorgeous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be on your website.
Speaker 5: You got to check it out. You got to go
Speaker 5: check it out.
Speaker 2: I mean, we could come by the next time we
Speaker 2: go from Columbia to Charleston.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you you could.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so excited.
Speaker 5: We'd welcome you.
Speaker 4: Amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2: See, that's the kind of life I feel somewhat jealous for,
Speaker 2: you know, like you always feel jealous for the other thing,
Speaker 2: right of course. Yeah, yes, like I mean it wasn't
Speaker 2: in the cards from here or whatever, but part of
Speaker 2: me I can see the joy of like a grounded
Speaker 2: experience in a tiny town.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that part of it.
Speaker 3: It's interesting tiny towns, Southern towns, they have their secrets
Speaker 3: and they have you know, our little town. It's a
Speaker 3: tiny town, but it's South Carolina has a share of
Speaker 3: corruption at the municipal level.
Speaker 4: And you listen. I mean, I'm not even gonna get started,
Speaker 4: but I know I.
Speaker 5: Could tell you some serious stories.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's never boring down there.
Speaker 3: We've had police chiefs arrested and all kinds of crazy stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh oh yeah, it's it's and this is.
Speaker 3: A tiny little town, so it's uh yeah, I won't
Speaker 3: go into names or anything, but it's been an education
Speaker 3: across the board. But largely, uh, the the nature of it,
Speaker 3: this quiet, sort of simple life.
Speaker 5: It has its attractions, it has its.
Speaker 3: Benefits, and there are moments where I'm grateful to have it.
Speaker 3: It's it's you know, la, it's a roaring life, and
Speaker 3: New York is even more, but this is more of
Speaker 3: a whisper and it's nice.
Speaker 4: That's very nice. Well, you're a joy. Thank you so
Speaker 4: much for joining us. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: That's part of the fun thing about a pod because
Speaker 2: you don't know everyone's story, and that's why I wanted
Speaker 2: to do this, because I love to hear everybody's stories,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: It's so I'm so grateful to you for reaching out
Speaker 3: and giving me the opportunity. I've always felt like my
Speaker 3: little stint on that show packed much more of a
Speaker 3: punch than I expected. Yeah, and I'm grateful for that opportunity.
Speaker 3: And this gives me the opportunity to actually say that.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's so nice. That's the other thing that I
Speaker 2: love so much. When you know, when you're around actors,
Speaker 2: all of us I think, really, I mean, at least
Speaker 2: most of us have a sense of how lucky we are,
Speaker 2: and you know, we're very I think you have to
Speaker 2: be kind of open as a person and grateful and
Speaker 2: the things that you know you have expressed. That's part
Speaker 2: of why I wanted to talk to everybody too, because
Speaker 2: I love to hear each personal version. And if you
Speaker 2: weave all those things together, I do think it's really
Speaker 2: like an interesting backdrop to what people see, right because
Speaker 2: they only see the show the finished product, but like
Speaker 2: what everyone puts into it is is so interesting, individually interesting,
Speaker 2: which is why it works, you know.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Thank you.
Speaker 4: So much, Timathy for joining us.
Speaker 5: It was my pleasure, honestly, thank you for having me
Speaker 5: my joy.
Speaker 4: Now I know the South Carolina connection. We're gonna have
Speaker 4: to find you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'll have to come by and see the store.
Speaker 4: I'd love to. I'd love to have a great day.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Thank you have a great one. Bye bye.
Speaker 4: Thanks bye,