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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you

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Speaker 2: a Charlotte?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 2: Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today we are

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Speaker 2: having a really interesting conversation with Timothy Gibbs. And he

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Speaker 2: played the detective who comes when Carrie gets robbed on

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Speaker 2: the street in episode three seventeen, What Goes Around Comes Around,

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Speaker 2: which was written by Darren Starr directed by Alan Colter,

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Speaker 2: and he's a fascinating guy. So please enjoy this conversation

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Speaker 2: with Timothy Gibbs.

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Speaker 4: How's it going?

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's going great. How about you good?

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Speaker 4: It's pretty good. It's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: We're in La and it seemed like the sky was

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Speaker 2: going to fall last night, but it didn't, So we're okay.

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Speaker 3: I've been I've been looking at it on the news.

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Speaker 3: I'm over here in South Carolina and so what where?

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Speaker 3: I'm just outside of Charleston.

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Speaker 4: I love Charleston. I'm from Columbia.

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Speaker 5: Oh really?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Do you know a little town called Ellery? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean not well, but yes, that's.

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Speaker 3: That's where we are. We have our store and we

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Speaker 3: have a couple of buildings here. Wow, on this little

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Speaker 3: street with the one stop light.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, how adorable.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty great.

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Speaker 2: That's so sweet. Charleston is one of the absolute best cities.

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Speaker 2: So you can just like zoop over to Charleston.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we love it.

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Speaker 3: We're there a lot, and I mean that's where you

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Speaker 3: go for for culture or anything because we're we're really

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Speaker 3: this little community.

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Speaker 5: It's tiny.

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Speaker 3: I think we have now we're up to about six

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty residents.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, how amazing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty cool. And it's an hour.

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Speaker 3: It's an hour from Columbia and it's an hour from Carleston.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 2: My kids love Charleston and they love the beach so much.

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Speaker 2: And when we go to see Grandma and Columbia, they're.

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Speaker 4: Like, are we going to the beach? We have to

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Speaker 4: go to the beach, And sometimes we do. Sometimes we don't.

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Speaker 5: How did you get from South Carolina to How did

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Speaker 5: that happen?

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Speaker 4: You know, just drive? I guess.

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Speaker 2: I just I loved South Carolina. I love so many

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Speaker 2: things about it. But at the same time, my parents

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Speaker 2: had always taken me to New York to see theater

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Speaker 2: was just like, I've got to get out of here

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Speaker 2: and get up there. I've got to get to New York.

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Speaker 2: I've got to get to New York. And then I

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Speaker 2: ended up wanting to go to acting school, and I

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Speaker 2: went to Rutgers because they had an MFA BFA program

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Speaker 2: and you could kind of be there but also go

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Speaker 4: You were close enough to the city.

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Speaker 2: My dad taught at USC, the South Carolina USC, so

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Speaker 2: he felt really strongly about college. So I went to

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Speaker 2: college at Rutgers, and then I moved right to the city.

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Speaker 2: I was an actress, waitress, you know, for a long time,

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Speaker 2: and then I moved to LA and then I got

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Speaker 2: all worked out. But I do love the South and

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Speaker 2: I do miss it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was I have lived every I was.

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Speaker 3: Actually I did it in reverse. So I was born

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Speaker 3: father was an airline pilot. Cool, and back in those days,

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Speaker 3: they gave you They gave the the employee a thing

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Speaker 4: Amazing.

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Speaker 5: It was great. And I ended up traveling all over

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Speaker 3: All over, but I had never lived in the South.

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Speaker 3: So we've been here now, my wife and our two children.

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Speaker 3: We've been here now for going on five years.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 4: I love it. I love it so much. That's a

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Speaker 5: It's been great. It's been lovely.

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Speaker 3: We have an antique and fine arts store here and

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Speaker 3: and I build when I I sort of retired from

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Speaker 3: acting and I I started building farmhouse furniture and uh, whoa.

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Speaker 5: I was doing it as sort of a.

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Speaker 3: Hobby and it just kind of took off and that's, uh,

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I love farmhouse furniture.

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Speaker 5: Oh cool.

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm, you know, basically a Southern girl. So

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Speaker 2: it's all all, it's all good, it's all good. This

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Speaker 2: is very cool. I mean, I always love to catch

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Speaker 2: up with people who are on our show because people

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Speaker 2: which is very very interesting, you know, because acting is

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Speaker 2: obviously not always like your your forever thing that you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know you you know as well

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Speaker 3: as I do that the folks who can not only

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Speaker 3: and then maintain that over years and year, that's a

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Speaker 3: I always admire that the folks who have been able

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Speaker 5: You're one of those.

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Speaker 4: People, barely Okay, well you know.

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Speaker 3: But it's but it's you know, I started when I

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Speaker 5: It all just sort of happened to me.

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Speaker 3: I didn't really I was too young to make it happen,

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Speaker 3: so it had happen.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And and I I've I've always had a good relationship

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Speaker 5: I love it. I love the process.

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Speaker 3: But I reached a point really where, you know, I

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Speaker 3: for both then and when I found that in my

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Speaker 3: plant myself, and we came back. We lived in Barcelona

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Speaker 3: for ten years. We started at our store in Barcelona,

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Speaker 4: That's super interesting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I do think also being born here is

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Speaker 2: first of all, is so rare, like you almost never

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Speaker 2: And also I don't know how old you were when

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Speaker 2: of odd that is to be in it as a

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Speaker 5: You know, I was eleven when it happened. I can

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Speaker 3: I was playing Pop Warner Football, which was little league football.

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Speaker 3: And my coach was a commercial director and he with

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Speaker 3: went to my parents during the Actors strike of nineteen.

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Speaker 5: Seven, the Eighth Wow, and he said.

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Speaker 3: I can't hire a union actor during the strike, but

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Speaker 5: And it was for gear Deli chocolate chip cookies.

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Speaker 4: Amazing.

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Speaker 5: So he goes, he goes to my dad.

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Speaker 3: And he goes and my dad was coaching another team

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Speaker 3: think Tim would would want to eat chocolate chip cookies

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Speaker 3: given how he eats them at home, I would imagine yes,

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Speaker 5: That puts you into the union, right. You go through this,

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Speaker 3: You can't work if you're not in the union, but

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Speaker 3: And a strike offers that opportunity right to make that

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Speaker 5: And that's what happened to me.

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Speaker 3: And the next thing I knew, I was auditioning for

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Speaker 2: Amazing. But yet you seem very grounded and whole. You know,

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Speaker 3: You know, I wasn't always grounded, and I wasn't always whole. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I've had First of all, i'm the youngest of five kids,

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Speaker 5: For a few years, I was too young to be

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Speaker 3: Some of those social things that you struggle with when

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Speaker 5: It was so easy. You know.

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Speaker 3: My parents were really involved and they had us going

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Speaker 5: I was very, very fortunate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, oh gosh, good for them.

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Speaker 3: But later, you know, I've I've I had my own

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Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, there's so much of it.

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Speaker 3: You know, and I definitely had my fair share of

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Speaker 3: really anything else, And so that's not good. You're not

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Speaker 3: really forming great relationships in that. And it wasn't until

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Speaker 3: much later. I'm now almost sixty, but I've Patry and

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Speaker 3: I have been married now for almost fifteen years, and

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Speaker 3: it was when I met her that everything started to kind.

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Speaker 5: Of come U.

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Speaker 4: That's so nice.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Help me put Sex.

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Speaker 2: And City in the middle of this, Like, where were

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Speaker 5: You know what?

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Speaker 3: That was a big year for me. I was on

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Speaker 3: of just gotten an Emmy Daytime Emmy nomination, and that

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Speaker 5: So I went there. It was like a vacation. No,

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Speaker 2: I have a pressing question for you, though, I've been

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Speaker 2: They put soup like Campbell's soup in the thing, and

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Speaker 2: All right, So this is my Hyundai hot take, celebrating

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Speaker 2: making everyday epic. Well, you have a lot of dignity

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Speaker 4: It's all very odd. And then you come.

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Speaker 3: Manola bloonnos which was part of that. And I'll tell

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00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 3: you some of the things that I liked about this,

448
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 3: the way they that Alan also his direction. So when

449
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 3: we're in the restaurant, and I've had a lot of

450
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 3: comments about this, when we're in the restaurant, Alan told me,

451
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 3: you know your attention is on her, that all this

452
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 3: external attention this character is getting, you don't notice that

453
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,239
Speaker 3: at all. And of course it makes complete sense that

454
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 3: he It goes to supporting the idea that he's entirely

455
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 3: enamored with her. And I love the way that read

456
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 3: when I watched it. When I watch it in the episode,

457
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 3: I love the way that that simple little thing, it's

458
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 3: not even the dialogue really, it's just the action that

459
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: that this guy is genuinely focused on her and not

460
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 3: on any of this external energy that he's getting. And

461
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 3: I liked the character for that. I think that's part

462
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 3: of where the dignity the character comes from. Yeah, there

463
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 3: was another thing that happened that that happens a lot

464
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: as a result, which is kind of anecdotal, but it's funny.

465
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 5: The comment, I'm not kidding.

466
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 3: The comment I would get the most of consistently from

467
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 3: people who knew me and didn't know me was.

468
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 5: You have really nice hands, and that was what they

469
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 5: would say.

470
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: And I came away from that, I mean, as an actor,

471
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 3: I came away thinking maybe I should be a hand mom.

472
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 5: Totally.

473
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I thought.

474
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 5: That's what went through my head, which is not great

475
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 5: for an actor to think. It's not a great review

476
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 5: right now.

477
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's a good review. That's a nice thing.

478
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: No, it was that experience was a great one. And

479
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 3: here you have an example of something that was a small,

480
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 3: little blip in terms of the time that it took.

481
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 3: But because it was such a popular program, and because

482
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: you guys had landed so solidly with the public, they

483
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 3: they come on.

484
00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 5: I mean they.

485
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 3: Still devour that show. I still watch that show. I

486
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 3: love watching that shows.

487
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 5: It's not only a love letter to New York, which.

488
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 3: Is an aspect of it that I that is near

489
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 3: and dear to me. I can't not watch something that's

490
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 3: a love letter either to La or New York. But

491
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: it's also just the nature of what you talked about earlier,

492
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 3: how they made you guys very.

493
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 5: Human when they made fun of.

494
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: You, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole Yeah.

495
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 2: I mean, our writers obviously are you know, excellent and

496
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: the reason in our minds.

497
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 4: For the success.

498
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: We we're just lucky as actors, you know, to get

499
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: that job right. But I love like and that's what

500
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: I love about about There's a few a few guys,

501
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to think now of other ones.

502
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: It's hard to even think of other ones.

503
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: Where you know, like Miranda because of her insecurity, because

504
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: she feels like you're better looking than she is, which

505
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: is so relatable and adorable. She messes up right, like

506
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: she messes up a good thing because you have all

507
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 2: the dignity.

508
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 4: You're a cop.

509
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 2: You're totally focused on her, even though the whole restaurant

510
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 2: is looking at you, which is also kind of an

511
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 2: interesting It's like a you know, you're like the really

512
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: good looking girl but with a heart of gold, like

513
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 2: totally focused and professional and appropriate and all of the

514
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: things right. And it would have still been true if

515
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: they had kept in the throwing up part because you're

516
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: also like, you know, like what are you supposed to.

517
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 4: Do with that?

518
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 5: Right?

519
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: But without it and writing the AA note also amazing,

520
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like I love the arc.

521
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do, I get it. He was a good

522
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 5: He was a good guy. And it's.

523
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: Still when I watched the episode, I know, I'm kind

524
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: of taking us off on a date.

525
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 4: You can go anyway.

526
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 3: I'm probably going to get this. You can probably if

527
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: you haven't gotten to it before me, you're going to

528
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 3: get to it. I thought that the character who for

529
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: me stole that show was the actor who played Sam.

530
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 4: It's so funny. I am a doctor, it's so funny.

531
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 4: I know who is that guy?

532
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: I don't know it.

533
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 3: He was absolutely hysterical, and it really was. I mean

534
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 3: everything from the voice to the temperament and when he

535
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: starts to get like needy.

536
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 5: How funny.

537
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 4: That's so funny.

538
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 5: The sex scenes were hilarious.

539
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: Hilarious, hilarious, And a lot of that is Alan Coulter too,

540
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: as you said, like he the way that I think

541
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: Ellen Colter makes actors feel very comfortable, right, which is

542
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 2: really nice.

543
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 4: And then he's also.

544
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: Really creative about the shots and how he does them.

545
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: And I had one hundred percent forgotten that entire storyline.

546
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: Like sometimes when I'm watching, I'm really watching for the

547
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: first time because I don't remember anything really, and I

548
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: didn't remember that storyline, not for one tiny second. I

549
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: was like, who is Sam Jones?

550
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 4: What is this? I didn't know? And then it's this kid.

551
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: And I don't know who that actor is. I don't

552
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: know why he has that accent.

553
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 5: What was going on?

554
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 4: He's great.

555
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: And also it's so funny the way that the writing,

556
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: because so the basic gist for anyone who doesn't remember

557
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: is that Sam is Samantha's at home in her new

558
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: loft and she's getting all these phone calls about this party,

559
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: this big blowout that she's throwing, and all these guys

560
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: are calling to say that they're coming, So that kind

561
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: of piques her interest because she doesn't know what they're

562
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 2: talking about. And then she calls the guy that she

563
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: says something to one of the guys calling her to

564
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: confirm going to the party.

565
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 4: She says, like, who, you know what party? And he

566
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 4: tells them.

567
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: Where and it's a it's it's it's like a downtown

568
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: uh you know, it's by Washington Square Park, right, So

569
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 2: she thinks it's very posh, because of course you would

570
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: think an address down there would be very posh. Well,

571
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 2: it's New York University, so it's it's like a fricking

572
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: house exactly it's in a dorm, which is so mortifying.

573
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: She makes carry go, I had not remembered any of this.

574
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: It's really funny.

575
00:26:59,400 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: They go in.

576
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 2: Carrie's like, you know, don't tell anyone we did this.

577
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: So they go in and there's all these young people

578
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: and she goes up to the guy, who is sam

579
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: Jones also, and he tells her he's a virgin, I believe,

580
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: which is also really funny, and you can see her

581
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 2: eyes light up. But then she's like, no, no, we're

582
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: gonna leave, you know, which is the right thing to do,

583
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 2: and then he pursues her or whatever. Right like, he

584
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: comes over. It's crazy, and they have like very athletic sex,

585
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: very athletic and creatively filmed sex, and he's of course thrilled,

586
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 2: you know, and she's of course like not really thrilled,

587
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: though she does see more nowt but not like she's

588
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: not in her Samantha Jones way excited. But he is

589
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: very excited and tells her he loves her, and she's

590
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: like bye bye.

591
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, and then he just starts to evolve, right.

592
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 4: And you know, it's exact.

593
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 5: I found that.

594
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: Whole thing to be kind of poignant but also extremely

595
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 3: funny and touching. That's the sort of that's the thing

596
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 3: that show did, is you you don't feel the needle

597
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: going in, but it did, from time to time touch

598
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: on something important or something. There's a lesson in there.

599
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: They're very often a lesson in there, hidden away, and

600
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 3: all the laughs and all of that.

601
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 5: That's what made it so.

602
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: I think it was one of the things that obviously

603
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: it's your chemistry, you guys. They got so lucky when

604
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: they cast that show and they figured out because you know,

605
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 3: at any given place that could have gone off the

606
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: rails or not worked from a chemistry point. That's true

607
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of there's a lot of you.

608
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: There's a lot of you there.

609
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: You know, there are a lot of us there, right, and.

610
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: So it just it was magic that that chemistry and

611
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: everything worked out the way that it did.

612
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true, and it was magic because none

613
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: of us read together, you know, now they would do

614
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: the chemistry.

615
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 5: Really yeah, I thought that that you. I would have

616
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 5: thought for sure that you read together.

617
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.

618
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: That's why it's also so just kind of odd. You know,

619
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: it's like Kismet or whatever. It's a strange thing.

620
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 5: So walk me through. What how did you? How did

621
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 5: it work out for you? You get this? Obviously your

622
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 5: agent calls you, you get this audition?

623
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 2: What not exactly like that because I already knew Darren

624
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: Starr who actually wrote this episode?

625
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 4: Is that right? Am I correct?

626
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Darren Starr wrote this episode, which is interesting because

627
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: I didn't realize. I know, it's a great episode, I

628
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: didn't realize he Darren has described himself in interviews as

629
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: being like a shark, like he has to keep moving,

630
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: so he likes to create shows and then move on

631
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: generally speaking. So I knew him because he cast me

632
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: on Melrose, and right after Melrose he left, and I

633
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: was like, oh no, my guy left because he was

634
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: the only guy who seemed to understand my character. So

635
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: then they were like, we don't know what to do

636
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: with this character, and so they killed me off, which

637
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: was fine. I did I think thirty six episodes some

638
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: insane amount of episodes.

639
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 4: Of that show.

640
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: And then he had thought to himself that he was

641
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: tired of regular network stuff and he wanted to go

642
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: to HBO, even though HBO wasn't really known for original programming,

643
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: So he options Candice Bushnell's book of the column Sex

644
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: and the City and he takes it to HBO and

645
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: he makes a deal at HBO and they're going to

646
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: make this pilot. And it was kind of, you know,

647
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: for all the actresses in LA it was like, what

648
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: like four women stomping around New York City and outfits

649
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: like they're in charge, like what Like it was unheard of,

650
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: you know, and it still is kind of unheard of,

651
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: which is a sad commentary, I think on our business.

652
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: But at the time, which was I think nineteen ninety seven,

653
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,239
Speaker 2: that's when we got cast in the pilot, it was,

654
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: you know, like just I remember just thinking.

655
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 4: So the short version of the story.

656
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 2: He sends me the script because they had wanted Sir

657
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: Jessica to play Carry she was getting cold feet about

658
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: committing to a television show. So he sent me the

659
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: script with a little note that said, Kristen read this

660
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: for the role of Carrie. And I was like, I

661
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: can't play this Carrie part ah, because I knew myself

662
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: and I was very Southern at that point inside, even

663
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: though I don't know people knew that or not or whatever,

664
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: and I thought I was Charlotte because I related much

665
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: more to Charlotte. So I said, Darren, I can't play

666
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: this part. I've got to play this other, this one

667
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: over here, and he was like, okay, all right. So

668
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: then I went in.

669
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: To test.

670
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: I didn't have to do anything but test because he

671
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: knew me. I go into test and they seemed very

672
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: unsure about everything, except for Sara Jusica because at that

673
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: point they had really like put all their eggs in

674
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: that basket.

675
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 4: They really wanted Sarah. They were talking to.

676
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: Comedians about Samantha. They had asked Kim and Kim said no.

677
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: I think she said no twice. So they were kind

678
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: of in this thing between Sara Juskain and Kim, Sarajuska

679
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: and Kim. No one had ever met anyone except Cynthia

680
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: and Sarah knew each.

681
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: Other from Broadway and they had worked together before, but.

682
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: No one ever had anyone read together as these parts

683
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: or whatever.

684
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: At that surprises me, that's crazy.

685
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: So Cynthia was in New York, I was in LA.

686
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: They had tested Cynthia as well. She told the story

687
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: when she came on the podcast, and then they were

688
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: they for both of us.

689
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 4: They let it go.

690
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: You know, when you test, you have like a set

691
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: period of time that they have to tell you. It's

692
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: like two weeks or something like this. They had gone

693
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: to the eleventh hour for her and not told her.

694
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: So her manager was calling them basically saying, you're going

695
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: to lose Cynthia. Because it was still pilot season. Remember

696
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: in the days of pilot season. Yep, she's her manager

697
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: was calling them every hour saying, you're going to lose her.

698
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 4: You're gonna lose her. She's getting on a plane.

699
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 2: To go to LA to shoot a pilot and if

700
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: you don't get her before then she's going to do

701
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: this other show. Because really she didn't want to go

702
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: do this other show in LA. She wanted to stay

703
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: in New York and do our show. So the manager

704
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: had to. Emily had to do her managerial thing right,

705
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: and mine mine. I'm like dying, like so tortured by

706
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: having to wait, like every day I'm my lawyer. Every day,

707
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: I'm calling my manager, every day I'm calling my agent, like.

708
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: Did they call you? Did they call you? What is happening?

709
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 4: I'm just like out of my ever loving mind.

710
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: So on the final day, they still hadn't called, and

711
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: so I went to the movies in the daytime down

712
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: at Santa Monica AMC just to try.

713
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 4: To get through a couple of guys. I've been there, right,

714
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 4: it's so hard.

715
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: And I remember being in the parking lot. I had

716
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: my little clunky cell phone at the time, in the

717
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: beginning of the cell phones, and I called my manager.

718
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 4: Like, what did you hear anything? And he was like yeah.

719
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: They finally said yeah, but they seemed kind of on

720
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: the fence and I was like, ah.

721
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 4: Well, I'll just go do it. It'll be all right.

722
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: And I went and did it, and then they tried

723
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: to demote me to recurring. It's a long story, but

724
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: it all worked out. It all worked, It.

725
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: Worked out beautifully, and I so they answered they answered

726
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: their question of.

727
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 5: Whether or not you were Charlotte. Yes, And I think

728
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 5: you answered it really well.

729
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 4: Thank you. So wait, tell me a little bit you

730
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 4: you alluded to it.

731
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: But so tell me what it was like when the

732
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: show aired and you'd be walking around. What do people

733
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: say to you?

734
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 5: You know?

735
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: It was amazing. First of all, I had that year

736
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: was quite a year for me where two things happened

737
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: that were unexpected. They were different jobs for me. Sex

738
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 3: and the City, of course was one of them, and

739
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: then I did. I was called this is funny. I

740
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: was called well, okay, my agent in New York gets

741
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 3: a submission from these fellows that come over from Europe

742
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: and they're producing a new video game that's a sequel

743
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: to another one. It's called Max Pain. It was the

744
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: sequel to Max Pain. It was the game. But they said,

745
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 3: what we're doing is looking for an actor because we're

746
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: going to actually capture not just the motion, but we're

747
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: going to capture his face and his movements through the

748
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: graphic novel and into the game. And it's like this

749
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: two and a half month experience, and we are looking

750
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: for someone who looks like this guy.

751
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 5: And they put they gave my picture to my agent. Yeah, swear,

752
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 5: that's freaky totally.

753
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: My agent calls me because you're not going to believe this,

754
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 3: But I was just given your picture and told to

755
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 3: find a guy that looks like you.

756
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 5: And I said, you're kidding for what?

757
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: And he explains the whole thing, and I go, well,

758
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: here's the thing.

759
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: If I don't get this, I mean, if I don't

760
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: get this, then there's either something wrong with me or

761
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: I definitely have the right to be somehow pissed.

762
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 5: So I go and meet them and it was a

763
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 5: nice meeting. It was great.

764
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: I ended up getting this thing, and it was so

765
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: interesting because the video game community, Yeah, is this ferocious,

766
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: you know, infected in a good way, very involved. Like

767
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: if you think the soap opera, the daytime soap opera

768
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: fans are rabid, no, no, no, the video game fans are.

769
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: You know, they're they're like comic book and they know

770
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: everything that's that's supposed to happen and how every fiber

771
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: is supposed to look. And so it was that was

772
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: something that even to this day, people are still you know,

773
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: I still have connections to to people who are affected

774
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: by that fans of that game, and the same with

775
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 3: with with Sex and the City. So this thing airs

776
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: and I start getting stopped on the street in New York.

777
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: I was still shooting the show The one uh one

778
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 3: Life to Live, and I was getting stopped all.

779
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 5: The time when it was airing.

780
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: You know, just tell asking me if I was on

781
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 3: the show, did you play Hey were you Stevens?

782
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 5: And that of course was you know in the in

783
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 5: in in in the.

784
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: Over the years in which I was an actor, I

785
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: didn't quite have that kind of notoriety. Even on daytime

786
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: where where it was somewhat popular, you don't really have

787
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: that kind of engagement with with the folks who watch.

788
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 5: So I was gratified by that.

789
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: Actually, I thought it was fun to meet all those

790
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: people and you'd catch a quick story about who they

791
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: are or what share their thoughts on the show. But

792
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: they would always ask me about you guys. They would

793
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: have always ask me questions about all of you, you know,

794
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: as questions about Cynthia that I couldn't answer because they

795
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 3: think that we know each other better than we do.

796
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 5: And so there was a lot of that, and a

797
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 5: lot of the hands thing, you know, the hands interesting.

798
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: That was so weird, And I know why because in

799
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: the restaurant scene, in those shots it's with the wine glasses.

800
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 5: It's basically, my hands are like a third character.

801
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: Interesting. I was not looking at that. I'm going to

802
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 4: have to look back at it. I like it. I

803
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 4: like it. Do you miss acting sometimes?

804
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: I do?

805
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 5: Sometimes I do? Yeah, sometimes I You know.

806
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: The last thing I did was an independent series a

807
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: few years back called Paper Empire. It hasn't really gone

808
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 3: too far that that thing. It was a producer went

809
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 3: and made it on his own dime and started trying

810
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: to sell it around town. You know how that can go. Yes,

811
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: but it's the the experience of being in front of

812
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 3: the camera is the same, no matter what the sales

813
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: experiences later for something. As the actor, you have the

814
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: same the same sort of feelings. Yeah, it's always been.

815
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 3: It had always been a career that had been good

816
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: to me.

817
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 5: And and.

818
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: I sometimes still even questioned the why did I did

819
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: I stop?

820
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 5: And and you.

821
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: Know those are that's it's an interesting I mean to

822
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 3: be very honest with you. I think that it's a

823
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: confluence of things. Really, I think it I had some

824
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: insecurity that might have led to putting an arms distance

825
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: between the experience of incessantly auditioning and going you know,

826
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: the nature of an act it is, you know, you

827
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: know as well as I do that the nature of

828
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: an actor is that you're you're you're out of work constantly,

829
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,479
Speaker 3: even when you're working, and when you're working, you're looking

830
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 3: for the next thing, and you're.

831
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 5: And so.

832
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 3: I when I found an opportunity to be grounded, I

833
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 3: found it. I was enamored by it. I felt like

834
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: I had been hugged. And I don't mean to make

835
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: it too heady or any of that. But I think

836
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: it was a combination of me meeting Patrie, my wife,

837
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: and you know, I have and have had something that

838
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: I think, perhaps unfortunately most people may never have, and

839
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 3: it is I have this extraordinary relationship that is enriched

840
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 3: me and made me so much better than I was.

841
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 4: And that's amazing.

842
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: It is, it is amazing, it is. It is nothing

843
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 3: short of amazing. And I don't know why that happened.

844
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: And then I have these we have these two beautiful children,

845
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 3: and I don't know, I just got I got this

846
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: point where I said, now I have everything I need

847
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 3: sort of, and I can maybe stop swimming against the

848
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: current to try to be something.

849
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: More that makes sense to me. I think that's super smart.

850
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: I think that's a smart way to go. I mean,

851
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: you'd already had a whole career.

852
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 3: You know, at times it feels smart. Sometimes it feels

853
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 3: like I gave up. Some days it feels, you know,

854
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 3: like it was right. And it's just that's just something

855
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: that it changes as you think things through and as

856
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: you're and also you know what all strikes you as

857
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: you go and you see like, for instance, you go

858
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: see something like and by no means in my comparing

859
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: my my own abilities to the likes of these, I

860
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 3: would mention, but you go, you go and see one

861
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: battle after another.

862
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 5: And you know how they.

863
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 3: Generally, you know the process of making it, and and

864
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: and as an actor who's done it for so long,

865
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: it's impossible for you not to opine for for for

866
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: that opportunity or that feeling. And I don't think I

867
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 3: don't think that ever leaves you, that you you would

868
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: just simply not ever want to feel that again.

869
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 5: Right, I think that.

870
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: It's not a struggle though, in the sense that when

871
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: I tell you that you know how I feel on

872
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: my home front, it really that it really is true,

873
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 3: and that really sort of makes everything so much easier.

874
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think it's super fascinating.

875
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: I also feel like it's it is kind of it's

876
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: because you started at eleven, right, Like that is you

877
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: already had the length of a career of like an

878
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: incredible career.

879
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm saying?

880
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did, I did, I did, I had, I mean,

881
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: I god, I had. My career had been It's been

882
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 3: an interesting one. I played, sure, I played Merlin Olsen's son,

883
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: who was the famous linebacker for the Rams. Wow, I

884
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: played OJ Simpson's adopted son.

885
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 5: What yes, what was that? Like?

886
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 4: We have to stop right there for a second.

887
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 5: Oh what yeah? Yeah?

888
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

889
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: What year was that?

890
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 5: Okay? That was my That was nineteen seven.

891
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 3: It was either nineteen I'm gonna say it was nineteen

892
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 3: seventy nine or nineteen seventy nine.

893
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 4: Okay much? And what was he like?

894
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: Well, you know that's the isn't that the thing with him?

895
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: That he was this very personable magnetic figure with a

896
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: big smile like Magic Johnson. But we all, you know,

897
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: didn't realize that his heart was not like Magic Johnson's heart, right.

898
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: But I played a It was a sequel to one

899
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 3: of his TV movies that was very successful called Goldie

900
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: in the Boxer, And this was called Goldie in the

901
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: Boxer goes to Hollywood and this this heavyweight fighter adopts

902
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 3: a bunch of orphans who live behind the movie sets, wow,

903
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 3: and and becomes kind of a father figure to them.

904
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: And I remember he signed a ball that I have

905
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: somewhere that to my family, to the Gibbs family, and

906
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: it says peace oh J Simpson.

907
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 4: Oh, oh my god, oh my god.

908
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

909
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: I mean crazy things that in other words, I've had

910
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: a very interesting track and been able to work with

911
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: some great people. I played Chad evertts Son and then

912
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: Stephen Cannell series, so all of these different experiences, and

913
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: and of course in Barcelona, in Spain, I was shooting

914
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 3: movies there, yeah, and that was quite quite fun.

915
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

916
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's that this career, when practiced at a

917
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: certain level, can take you all over and you meet

918
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: all kinds of people, you shoot in all different kinds

919
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: of lands, and you learn a lot and it's enriching

920
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: in so many ways. So I definitely feel like I

921
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 3: had that experience, which is.

922
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: So great, so great, and I think that is a

923
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: beautiful thing that you found this this incredible relationship and

924
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: grounded family and you're building furniture.

925
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 4: I think that sounds amazing.

926
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the most it's it's so it's so much fun.

927
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 5: I'll show you in my store right now. Okay, so

928
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 5: this is one of the tables. We build this very old,

929
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 5: very old, primitive stuff.

930
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 4: It's so beautiful.

931
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 5: And then we build these stools.

932
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so this is uh, this is my life.

933
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: Now, gorgeous.

934
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's cool.

935
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be on your website.

936
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 5: You got to check it out. You got to go

937
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 5: check it out.

938
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: I mean, we could come by the next time we

939
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: go from Columbia to Charleston.

940
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 5: I'm telling you you could.

941
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so excited.

942
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 5: We'd welcome you.

943
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 4: Amazing, amazing.

944
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: See, that's the kind of life I feel somewhat jealous for,

945
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: you know, like you always feel jealous for the other thing,

946
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 2: right of course. Yeah, yes, like I mean it wasn't

947
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: in the cards from here or whatever, but part of

948
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: me I can see the joy of like a grounded

949
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: experience in a tiny town.

950
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, that part of it.

951
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 3: It's interesting tiny towns, Southern towns, they have their secrets

952
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: and they have you know, our little town. It's a

953
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: tiny town, but it's South Carolina has a share of

954
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: corruption at the municipal level.

955
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 4: And you listen. I mean, I'm not even gonna get started,

956
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 4: but I know I.

957
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 5: Could tell you some serious stories.

958
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's never boring down there.

959
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 3: We've had police chiefs arrested and all kinds of crazy stuff.

960
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 5: Oh oh yeah, it's it's and this is.

961
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 3: A tiny little town, so it's uh yeah, I won't

962
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: go into names or anything, but it's been an education

963
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: across the board. But largely, uh, the the nature of it,

964
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: this quiet, sort of simple life.

965
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 5: It has its attractions, it has its.

966
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: Benefits, and there are moments where I'm grateful to have it.

967
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 3: It's it's you know, la, it's a roaring life, and

968
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: New York is even more, but this is more of

969
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 3: a whisper and it's nice.

970
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 4: That's very nice. Well, you're a joy. Thank you so

971
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 4: much for joining us. Oh my god.

972
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: That's part of the fun thing about a pod because

973
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: you don't know everyone's story, and that's why I wanted

974
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: to do this, because I love to hear everybody's stories,

975
00:46:59,440 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: you know.

976
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: It's so I'm so grateful to you for reaching out

977
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 3: and giving me the opportunity. I've always felt like my

978
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: little stint on that show packed much more of a

979
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: punch than I expected. Yeah, and I'm grateful for that opportunity.

980
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: And this gives me the opportunity to actually say that.

981
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: Ah, that's so nice. That's the other thing that I

982
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: love so much. When you know, when you're around actors,

983
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: all of us I think, really, I mean, at least

984
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: most of us have a sense of how lucky we are,

985
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: and you know, we're very I think you have to

986
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: be kind of open as a person and grateful and

987
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: the things that you know you have expressed. That's part

988
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: of why I wanted to talk to everybody too, because

989
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: I love to hear each personal version. And if you

990
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: weave all those things together, I do think it's really

991
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: like an interesting backdrop to what people see, right because

992
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: they only see the show the finished product, but like

993
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: what everyone puts into it is is so interesting, individually interesting,

994
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: which is why it works, you know.

995
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Thank you.

996
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 4: So much, Timathy for joining us.

997
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 5: It was my pleasure, honestly, thank you for having me

998
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 5: my joy.

999
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 4: Now I know the South Carolina connection. We're gonna have

1000
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 4: to find you.

1001
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'll have to come by and see the store.

1002
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 4: I'd love to. I'd love to have a great day.

1003
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

1004
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 5: Thank you have a great one. Bye bye.

1005
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 4: Thanks bye,