1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand saddler blind, First Light, 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest host, 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking with Greg Litzinger, who 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: has made a name for himself by killing pressured bucks 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: on public land out east. All right, folks, welcome to 9 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: the Wire to Hunt podcast, which has brought to you 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: by First Light. And you guessed it. This is definitely 11 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: not Mark Kenyon's voice. It's your old backup QB. Tony. 12 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: Mark is actually often Europe this week, and he's in 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: a little town in Germany called Burghouse or bird Who's 14 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: in something anyway in that little town in Germany every 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: single year. Men. Well, I'm assuming this is only for men, 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: but I could be totally wrong. Compete for the best 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: beard and the best mustache. I know Mark has been 18 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: dreaming and bringing that trophy home for a long time 19 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: for that mustache, so I hope he has a good 20 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: showing out there today. I have a new Jersey bow 21 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: hunter named Greg Litzinger. Greg is a die hard public 22 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: land hunter who really understands how to deal with pressure 23 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: and who lives to scout throughout the winter. In fact, 24 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: that's the key to a lot of his success and 25 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: also the topic of much of this episode. Now, even 26 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: if you never set foot on public land, I think 27 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 1: you'll be able to glean some useful insight from Greg 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: because he's as legit as they come in the white 29 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: tail space. Greg, how are you doing? Man? What's happening? 30 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: We gotta we have to thank our mutual friend Clint 31 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: Campbell there over at Troops from the Stand podcast for 32 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: making this happen. And I reached out to Clint when 33 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: I was looking for people who are I'm like, who's 34 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: the most badass winner scouter you know? And he listed 35 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: about twenty people and then he said, or you could 36 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: just call Greg. Yeah, Clints, Uh, we've become really good friends. 37 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: Charity's last you know, I don't think. I was one 38 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: of his first few guests on his podcast and he 39 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: was just getting started and we're just like, yeah, he 40 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: lives like an hour and a half for me. We 41 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: just formed a you know, a good friendship, you know, 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: just good, not just a hunting friendships, just a friendship 43 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: all around. You know, he's a he's a solid dude. Dude. 44 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: I get jealous of Clint. He's gonna hear this, but 45 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: that he can put truck cameras out and find monsters. 46 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, like you're finding all these megas. 47 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: It's like, how do you find these jumbos? He was like, Oh, 48 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: it's the camera. I thought it'd be a good spot 49 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: and it's like this giant deer and I'm like, I'll 50 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: throw out twenty cameras and get like maybe one Pope season. 51 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know how you do it, man Like. 52 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: So I was like, once he kind of figures that out, 53 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: the his his kill mode, I guess gets in killed mode. 54 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: There's deer in trouble man Like, he's got the stuff. 55 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: He just needs to, you know, tweak a few things 56 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: and he's going to be a world beater. Yeah, he's 57 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: he's always on good deer out there in Pennsylvania. Yeah. 58 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: You I don't know if people who are listening to 59 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: this can tell, but you don't sound like a typical 60 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: wired to hunt guest. You sound like you live in 61 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: a different place where you where are you at right now? 62 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: South Jersey? Yeah, And that's really why not North Jersey? 63 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: South Jersey. So for somebody who lives in Minnesota and 64 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: doesn't know the difference, what's the difference? Why why do 65 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: you specify that? Because there's in Jersey's like three it's 66 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: like north, Central and South. You know, in South Jersey 67 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: were relatively flat. We got Salt Marsh's, pine barrens, a 68 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: lot of agg you know, centrals, more farm rolling hills. 69 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: North you get into the mountains and a little more 70 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: developed developed areas, I guess, if you will, a lot 71 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: of traffic and PA, like through eighty runs through there, 72 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: so you get PA, New York, New Jersey, all kind 73 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: of meat up there. So there's a there's an influx 74 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: of different, different kinds of people. I guess, not in 75 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: a bad way. But it's different than South Jersey, you 76 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: know what. I have to confess something. So I live 77 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: in the suburbs of the Twin Cities, and people hear 78 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: that and all of the time they're like, oh, that's 79 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: the worst you live in, like where the riots were 80 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: and everything. I'm like, no, Like do you understand how 81 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: big the cities are? You know, like I'm not like 82 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: in downtown Minneapolis and you know, I've killed poping young 83 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: Bucks on public land ten minutes from my house. Like 84 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: it's not like I'm in city city. But when I 85 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: hear somebody say they're from Jersey, I don't think of 86 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: anything other than a city, Like I don't. I don't 87 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: think because my buddy Tim Kent hunts out there too, 88 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: and he's always describing it, and like I have this bias. 89 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: I've never been there, and no, you know what I mean. 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: It's like when I had one of my old podcasts, 91 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: I had a few guests on from the UK, and 92 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, nothing sounds dumber than some random Midwestern dude 93 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: talking about you know, like the UK, like like he 94 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: understands what it is. I'm like, I don't even really know, 95 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: Like I don't even know if I can find this 96 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: on a map. And then when I hear you talk 97 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: about Jersey, I'm like, and you were, you know, we 98 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: were talking on the phone the other day and You're like, yeah, 99 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, I hunt in public land out here, and 100 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, I have such a skewed view of where 101 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: you live. And it makes me feel like an asshole 102 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: because people do that to me all the time. Yeah, Well, 103 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: Jersey it's a it's a pretty cool state. It's a 104 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: very it's a tough state to live in, you know, 105 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: as as you know, not to be political, but it's 106 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: it's a Democrat run state, and there's some laws that 107 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: it's just strange to me, a foreign to me, but 108 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: this is where I live. But it's a state that 109 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: the fishing game to do a good job of setting 110 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: land aside. When I got into hunting and would date 111 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: myself here with this, it's thirty sybe thirty one years ago. 112 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: It's not much public land in South Jersey. There's like 113 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: the bigger like pine barrens, but the pencilia grew up 114 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: everybody hundred one piece basically Lee High or Wingate. It 115 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: was like armaccore engineer type terrain you know, and read 116 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: deer just big read there, big bucks. Those spots that 117 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: you're talking about a couple hundred acres, there'd be I mean, 118 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: there'd be Lee High Road. You know, people that hopefully 119 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: from listeners here will know that road. But there'd be 120 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: fifteen trusting Lee High Road and it's only maybe a 121 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: mile long. There'd be fifteen people hunting that and it's 122 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: like everybody hunted there. It was just where they're in place, 123 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: you can hunt. And as the years went on, they 124 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: implemented the ant restrictions some zones, and the states started 125 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: buying up some old farms. Farmers were, you know, so 126 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: to the state. So the state bought a lot of 127 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: especially in Cell Jersey, a lot of farms, a lot 128 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: of big farms, and they started like piecing some things together, 129 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: and you know, on a short amount of time, it 130 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: seemed like the state land grew really quickly. And it 131 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: was nice for us public land guys, because you know, 132 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: it gave us a little room to spread out. And 133 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: North Jersey, they said, you got the morthern state forests. 134 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: There's Jenny Jump, there's Stoked State Forest, massive blocks of 135 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: unbroken timber, I mean huge for a small state. You know, 136 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: we're the Garden state. So people think New Jersey, they 137 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: don't think Guarden State. But there's a lot of across, 138 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: a lot of farms north central End Sound, so you 139 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: can hunt any type of terrain you want. New Jersey. 140 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: We have the mountains, we have unbroken you know, the 141 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: pine barrens, unbroken timber, just sandy soil, big rat bucks, 142 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: tiny bodies. You know, we got farm deer. I mean 143 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: we have salt marsh. You know, you can learn to 144 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: hunt deer and any type of terrain that a deer 145 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: exists across the country. It's a it's a good state 146 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: to learn. So you said you did you start hunting 147 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: deer on public? Yeah, I've first, you know, always hunt 148 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: the public. My dad, you know, we he was a 149 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: shift worker or two punts. Know, he's struggled, family six. 150 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: So it's not like we had money to splurge on 151 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: leases if or even like permission. We'd get a few 152 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: pieces here and there, but basically just wherever we can 153 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: get in. You know, canoe mostly could do. We did 154 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: a lot of canoe on um. But yeah, it's a 155 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: public climber. Being a used to the term mobile hunter. 156 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: You know, my first climber climber tree stand was a 157 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: Baker like my dad's baker that death trap. Yeah, so 158 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: I went with you know, I had the Baker tree 159 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: stand and it was so heavy. I was tiny. When 160 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: I got in a hunting it was hard for me 161 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: to climb up more than ten feet, like I was exhausted. 162 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: And then the log I had a light hang on 163 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: with scrown steps, which we weren't allowed to use, but 164 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: my dad we did anyway because that's what everybody did. 165 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: And loggy body climbers, um lone Wolf climber, lone Wolf, 166 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: hang on and then in the saddles, and that's been 167 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, I've been mobile since day one. You know, 168 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: I have the exact same kind of origination story. I didn't. 169 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: I didn't hunt solely public land when I first started, 170 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: but we hunted a lot of it, and I was 171 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: mobile just because we didn't. We had one stand like 172 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, it was you put it up, you took 173 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: it down, you know. And I remember, you know, when 174 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: climbers came out, it was like, oh my god, this 175 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: is going to be the answer to all our problems. 176 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: And then you take them out, and you know, those 177 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: early ones were horrible, but the best we had. So 178 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: you're like, I'm gonna figure out how to make it worse. 179 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: And the worn and sweat plywood tree stand had like 180 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: the rubber strap in order of the APIs with the 181 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: chain wrapped the rubber like the motorcycle chain. Yeah. Lord, 182 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: people don't know how good that. People just get into 183 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: Honeynail had. It's a really good time to be a hunter. 184 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean I think you know, when 185 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: I started out, I had I think it was I 186 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: think it was Amaker was the company, and it was 187 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, crazy heavy steel stand chain like you said, 188 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: but you know it's it's what we had. And then 189 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: my dad would make stands out of wood, but he 190 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: would make like a a platform that would attach with 191 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: a chain. So they were like forty seven pounds and 192 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: they were built like this is really hard to describe, 193 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: but they were built like with a almost a chamber 194 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: below them, so the supports in the platform and everything 195 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: would form like three quarters of a box almost, yeah, 196 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: And so you'd knock that top of that stand and 197 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: it would just echo through the bottom of there, and 198 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: it's just like these they were such pieces of shit. 199 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, if we had spots where 200 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: we wanted to hang a stand like on a field 201 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: edge or something and just leave it, like that's what 202 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: we used. And man, you're right, like the way that 203 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: we can hunt now in the access I mean, even 204 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: the clothing we have access now to its like, yeah, 205 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: I know we sound old, but man hunters today the 206 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: advantages are so different, you know, but it seems like 207 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: it's sort of leveled off with pressure. Sure, you know, 208 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: like it's if you're if you're not onto something exclusive, 209 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: it seems like even though we have really you know, 210 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: banging equipment now and a lot of advantage that way, 211 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: it's like, man, if you're not on something that you're 212 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: paying to hunt you, the whole thing levels off quite 213 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: a bit just because you have a lot more pressure 214 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: out there. We agreed, it's uh I mean New Jersey, 215 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: it's it's one of the most populated states in the region. 216 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: It's not like you can I mean I deal with 217 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: people either from eyeshine, you know, ladder stands, baitings, legal, 218 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: crossbowings legal like the last ten years and like now 219 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: with technology, sell cameras and all this stuff. It's I think, 220 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: Hay call it the game, but it is completely changed, 221 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: m changed, dear, you know, and it makes it finding 222 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: a big buck a little more difficult because now everybody 223 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: has I've seen more cell cameras this year than uh 224 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: I care to even like imagine, like everybody's running cell 225 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: cameras and people that would never hunt, you know, or 226 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: going into the wood because we're getting the picture of 227 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: you know, a picture of a deer most some you know, 228 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: like I get pictures of people and it's like wow, 229 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: Like Dud's going in at three pm. It gets dark 230 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: at five thirty. I'm like, man, this isn't like the 231 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: Big West. Like it's like but they say it on YouTube, 232 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: but they see it on TV, you know, like it's 233 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: a It makes being on Big Deer on a regular 234 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: basis very difficult. If you're not in it, like like 235 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: really in it. New Jersey will beat you up and 236 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: like you gotta want it, like in a different way 237 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: than most people. Do you know, you might you might 238 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: go months without saying a good deal, like you know, 239 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: or you could be on them, you know from from 240 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: day one? Do you do you have pretty uh like 241 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: pretty liberal harvest out there, because I mean when you 242 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: talk about that and being able to being able to 243 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: bait public, private and you know, cross bowl legalization all 244 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: that stuff. Is it is it just a matter of 245 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, your state game agency go. You know, there's 246 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: only so many places people are even allowed to hunt 247 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: in this state and so they won't kill dead. Yeah, yeah, 248 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: we can kill five bucks from September to January. Have 249 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: you ever did a year where you killed five three 250 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: is the most I've gotten. And it was like where 251 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: you have seasons where you can't do anything wrong. Like 252 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: you was walking out and was like, oh there's a 253 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: buck boom. Like that year I killed three three of 254 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: my bucks off in the ground. Uh you know the 255 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: one I killed him. I didn't find him, you know, 256 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: until after a fact, but you know he was he 257 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: was dead. But uh yeah, So you can kill a 258 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: lot of bucks if you want. Um, it makes in 259 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: some areas. You know. It's not to knock anybody, you know, um, 260 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: But if you have a good like two or three 261 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: years ago, we had a lot of I had a 262 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: lot of great young deer, a lot on camera. I've 263 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: seen him. I was like, man, it's gonna be a 264 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: banger year. And then we had an extreme cold front 265 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: during like dode musload or in January, and next year 266 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: it was like a ghost town. Like all these dear 267 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: got smoked, you know, because these tier never experienced cold 268 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: like that. And there's gonna be a poll of corn 269 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: or a cut cornfield at least hear a pond out 270 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: there to eat and two hundred yard musload or you know, 271 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: it's just you're just picking them off. Yeah, you know, 272 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: and that's gun clubs. You know, all that stuff. Gun 273 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: clubs come through. You got a lot of nice young beer. 274 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: Like said, not not to say anything bad about that, 275 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: as hunting is hunting, you know, but if the dude 276 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: gets excited for a four pointer, you know, or a 277 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: six pointer, hey have at it. Man. But you have 278 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: ten people, twenty people doing that, well you really put 279 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: a hurting on the next ear hurt, you know. I 280 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: guess anyway you would deal with it would be the 281 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: extreme weather, the snowfall. You know, extreme snowfall, you get 282 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: to winter kill. Well, we have good you know, shotgun kills. 283 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: It's like the same thing. Like some spots it's like 284 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing here, you know, and it's like you gotta 285 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: wait two or three years. It gets you know, some 286 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: age back in that area. Yeah, and sometimes it never 287 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: comes back, depending on the pressure. When when they say 288 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: I always think, you know, when this state game agencies 289 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: like you know what, how about a five buck limit, 290 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: that's like just that's like saying, how about just shoot 291 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: unlimited bucks? Yeah, I mean because and very few people 292 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: are going to fill that limit, but they're they're not 293 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: going to stop. Yes, it's and that's too with like 294 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: bo and gone like Jersey. I mean they'll they make 295 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: you buy a regular fall bow and then the end 296 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: of October you have to buy a permit bow, which 297 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: is another twenty eight dollars and twenty eight dollars because 298 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: you gotta buy a permit and then you gotta buy 299 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: a buck tag and then a permit for the zone 300 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: you're hunting. So have you hunt like I hunt three zones? Well, 301 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: for permit bow, it will cost me one hundred bucks 302 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: to hunt, plus the twenty eight dollars to original license. 303 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: And then if I want a gun hunt, well there's 304 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: another thirty bucks. And I want to win a bow hunt, 305 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: there's another thirty bucks. A Jersey William to death. Yeah, 306 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: they keep you coming back. Have you seen you kind 307 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: of alluded to just a high amount of pressure the 308 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: whole your whole life hunting out there? Have you seen 309 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: an uptick in like the last five years. Are you 310 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: seeing more people out there? I'm seeing more people by 311 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: boat for sure. Um, a lot of you know, with 312 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: YouTube and that this generation of hunting, I guess hunters 313 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: they say it, they do it so crossbows legal. So 314 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: we get a lot of gun hunters that are are 315 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: bow hunting now with the crossbow, and a lot of 316 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: gun hunters come in by boat. Well now that I'll 317 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: come in by with the crossbow. So a lot of 318 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: my spots that were good fall are not so good anymore. 319 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: Some of the swamps were just it's just not there. 320 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: It's and it's it's not worth it to wake up 321 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: at two to catch a tie to go hunt somewhere 322 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: or paddle you know, you know far and Walter's waist 323 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: deep swamp for a mediocre buck if you will. You know, 324 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: it's and like you said, it's hit or miss. Like 325 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: some years it's amazing. Other years she's like out here 326 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: for like five days, Megan, I ain't seen a theater. 327 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: I ain't heard them. I smell them like no splashing 328 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: in the water, you know, And it's like, oh, but 329 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: that's just that's the way it goes. I guess anywhere 330 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: do you feel like? So I'm assuming when you say 331 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: that that you used to have used to do some 332 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: water access and it worked out pretty well for you. 333 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: And now because I feel the same way, like there 334 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: used to be some tricks like that you could get 335 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: away from people, and it feels like there's no secrets 336 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: left and I know like if you if you're listening 337 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: to this and you hunt out west and you el 338 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: cont or whatever and over the counter unit, it's the 339 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: same deal, Like, yeah, there's not You're not going to 340 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: outwork the competition, like you just there's no there's no hide, 341 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, honey hidie holes. I guess if you will anymore. 342 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: Like the everybody's got an aerial map whatever software using 343 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: You've got up to date imaging of as it's happening, 344 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: you know. So it's like it's hard to find, you know, 345 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: those spots that were before you found them by accident, Like, oh, 346 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: what's this? You know when you twenty years ago you 347 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: find the funnel all this buck side, you know what 348 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: it is? You honey, you start killing some deer, seeing 349 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: some deer, and now you look at it, you're like, oh, 350 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: it's a funnel because you got this, but when you're 351 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: in it, you don't know what's there. It's like all 352 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: those bucks sides are hunting. You're killing now from air 353 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: and filter are like, oh, you know, it's like hunting 354 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: the mountainsick saddle. So you go to any mountains terrain 355 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: saddles each seem to pick out. You go to almost 356 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: every saddle human side, and deer will avoid them, even 357 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: though it's a good bottle neck go the will a 358 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: pinch point if you will, dear, just avoid them u 359 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,959 Speaker 1: during honey hours. So bottlenecks around here in farm country 360 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: and swamp same way. And these deer are just they're 361 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: really you know, they're surviving and they're they're thriving in 362 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: some areas. Man, I think and listen. I love on X, 363 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: I love the tools that we have, but man, that 364 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: the way that that sort of leveled things off for 365 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: people is incredible. I mean you just think about you know, 366 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: we're right in the heart of winters outing right now, 367 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: and this is the time when you get in and 368 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: try to find rubs and figure some of that stuff out. 369 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: And you know you used to just like stumble across 370 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: a little island in the swamp or something, you know, 371 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, man, like this is freaking money. 372 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: And now anyone, like almost every hundred eld there can 373 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: pull up their phone and find that and you know 374 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: whether they'll do the work to get in there. But 375 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: even if only a couple of people do, or you know, 376 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: like you said, you know, if you wait for that 377 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: time to roll in and you go in, you know, 378 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: you think, man, like, not very many people are going 379 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: to go buy a thousand dollars fifteen hundred dollars kayak 380 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: just for that, Like no tons of people do that. Yeah, 381 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: that shit's everywhere now. And it's like i I've last 382 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: year and even this year, like hunting, I've I've kind 383 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: of put my phone in my pocket and I've gotten 384 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: away from like trying to find precise pinpoint spots, and 385 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: I've let just the deer sign and the thrain just 386 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: go very old school, you know, and I find something, 387 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: I'll just mark it real quick, you know, and then 388 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: it kind of makes it fun again, less like a 389 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: less monotonous. You know. I'm just kind of like I'm 390 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: almost like still hunting. I'm just falling the sign and 391 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: I'm I'm finding areas, especially like some of the big 392 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: woods I'm hunting by here by my house. You know, 393 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm finding areas that's got zero human pressure because you 394 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: look at the map, they're like there's nothing that's making that. 395 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: You know, hunters go, oh what's this? Do you know 396 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: that this is a spot where people don't go, So 397 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, party over here, and sometimes it's it 398 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: might even be a hundred yards off a cart root 399 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: or fifty yards off the car room. Everybody's just you know, 400 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: now with the e bikes too, we gotta deal with 401 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: the e bikes. They just blow right on pass. And 402 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: these bucks are just hanging out watching all these people, 403 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, And I guess they've probably always always done that, 404 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: but I find that more and more, and there's overlooked 405 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: spots and random spot people just wall pasted. Yeah, dude, 406 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: I find that too. Where you know, if I'm scouting 407 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: bluffy country or river bottom country with like limited cover 408 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: or real terrain, that's easy to read. It's like everybody 409 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: is at the same level. But if you get into 410 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: some of that mono habitat, like big wood stuff where 411 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, an elevation change of twenty feets a big one. Yeah, 412 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: Then when you get into that stuff and everything from 413 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: overhead kind of looks the same, then you start realizing 414 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: like the subtlety of deer movement and sign and I 415 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: think I'm with you right there too. One, you know, 416 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: like especially right now, when you're winner scouting, I'll pick 417 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: out spots on on X or whatever, and they're like, 418 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to go look at that. But the interesting 419 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: stuff I find most of the time is between that 420 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: and something else, just like following a whim. Yeah, total total. 421 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: It's not random because you're you know, you're using your 422 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: instincts that we've you hold over the years. But it's 423 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: those spots that I find. My biggest Bucks buck sign 424 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: like and the big ones by my house. Three years ago, 425 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: I stom upon like hammer signpost rob It's like thirty 426 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: of in this one little block. So I put a 427 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: bunch of cameras out there and it's like a big 428 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: buckle roll through there. But he would never rub on 429 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: a rub. There's always the little guys big Bucks new 430 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: it was just you know, these little guys would tear 431 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: up the rubs like you have big old seedars and 432 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: everything look real tall, you know, like nice dear. But 433 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: the bigger ulder box would never rub. Some of the 434 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: bigger Bucks don't scrape. They just know that this is 435 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: a hot spot for some reason. I still can't figure 436 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: out why all these rubs there, because there's no terrain, 437 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: there's no nothing, there's no edge. It's just a spot. 438 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: I think people don't go and it's probably been that 439 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: way for years. Because someboy's rubs are old and it's 440 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: a smack dab in the middle of like nothingness, and 441 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: it's like it was by pure accident I found them, 442 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: like I remember it, like because it's like the we 443 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: had a little bit of snow and so you can 444 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: kind of see and that's just seen this rub just 445 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: like like a beak and way out there. I was like, 446 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: and I love rubs, big rubs, you know, and I've 447 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: seen that. I was like, I know what that is. 448 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: And I've been in that piece of woods for least 449 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years, and I'm like, you market, you know, 450 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: it's like I don't even whether it is that, like 451 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: it's there's no nothing, but all the bucks come through there. 452 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: It's just a weird, strange place. But it's so hard 453 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: to get to unless I can like, you know, air 454 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: drop from a parachute, you know, like you have to 455 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: cross so many deer trails and so much laurel and 456 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: so much brier swamp to get to it, Like you 457 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: kind of only get worn through sits. So if it 458 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: ain't there, it's like you wait for that mid November 459 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: and it's like nothing but the sign and the sum 460 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: of the trail kind of pictures like that's a spot 461 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: to be. It might take me three or four years 462 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: kill a deer there, but that's where I'll be. Yeah, dude, 463 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: I think sometimes because I think we look at a 464 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: concentration or rubs like that like that. To me, that's 465 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: my favorite thing. Like if I find lots of rubs 466 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: in a really tight area, I'm super interested in that. 467 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: And I think we look at it a lot of 468 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: times and we sell this like, Okay, that's a staging 469 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: area because they bed it over here and they feed 470 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: over there, or you know, there's like some dear explanation 471 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: for it. But I think a lot of times, like 472 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: you're talking about, it's because people aren't there, and so 473 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: you have a whole bunch of bucks who know that's 474 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: one spot. And so I don't know if that's correlated, 475 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, you bump into a bunch of strangers, if 476 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: that's correlated to making more sign in that spot, just 477 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: because there's so much like deer scent there. But it 478 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: makes me wonder because when you see, I've got a 479 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: buddy who owns some land in southwestern Wisconsin runs cameras 480 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: on there all year and he has like Brassica plot 481 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: for a late season hunk, you know, and you get 482 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: these bucks that you've never seen, like they weren't there 483 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: off fall or summer, and all of a sudden, when 484 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: you know the weather really sucks and they need that 485 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: food source, you put all these deer who don't really 486 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: know each other together and then you're getting you know, 487 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: like images like over and over a bucks fighting and 488 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 1: testing each other out. And I'm like, I wonder if 489 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: on public land during the season, there's just places where 490 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: the bucks are like holy shit, like I gotta get 491 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: somewhere where people aren't and all the bucks, maybe not 492 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,959 Speaker 1: all of them, but a lot of them figure it out, 493 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: and they're just more prone to being a little more aggressive, 494 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: have been making sign and just like just because they're 495 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: all there together, I've I firmly believe that, you know, 496 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with a guy the Harrisbrook Show 497 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: about ropes because he's like, I found all these robes 498 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, explaining my thoughts and robes, 499 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: and we kind of came to the same conclusion. You know, 500 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: it's just an area that a lot of pressure from 501 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: all around, and the pressures come from the out and 502 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: it's pushing the deer into the center, and most people 503 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: aren't going to put that work to get in there, 504 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: especially like in October and November, because it's still a 505 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: lot of you know, there's a lot of high stemcounts 506 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: stuff still happening. And often remember it's you can't see 507 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: very far, you know, limited visibility, but fear you know, 508 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 1: or they use all their senses. They have a lot 509 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: better senses than we do, so they might not see well, 510 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: but they can smell and hear, you know. So I 511 00:25:48,080 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: just I firmly believe that's that's what's happening there. When 512 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: you talk about some of the stuff that you scout 513 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: and where you hunt, it reminds me so much of 514 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: some of the stuff that I hunt, like northern Wisconsin. 515 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: But it also reminds me when you when you think 516 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: about a little area you're talking about like that where 517 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: you you know, maybe you go in and winter scout 518 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: it now and you're like, man, at some point in 519 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: the fall, this is where you kill that one thirty 520 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: because of like you know, the high stem count like 521 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: you're talking about, and just just like the location of it, 522 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: then you go do a hunt like in Iowa that 523 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: we talked about that. You said you never wanted to do, 524 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: and you're like, I want to find that because my 525 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: instincts tell me find that spot and it doesn't exist, 526 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: and it doesn't freaking matter, Like you don't. You're you're 527 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: looking for something you don't even need because it's it's 528 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: like the only way to get it done in some places, 529 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: and totally I wouldn't say irrelevant, but not nearly as 530 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: important in a place with a you know, a high 531 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: amount of deer and maybe not the most pressure out 532 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: there in a lot of like good quality deer. And 533 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: it's so it's like, it's weird how different this becomes 534 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: in the different places that you can hunt. And there's 535 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: parts like I've hunted some private farms in Jersey and 536 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: like there's a couple of guys into the hunt Central 537 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: Jersey and nake kill I mean hammer deer, but they 538 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: have five six hund acres. But the pressure, you know, 539 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: a couple forms a hunted deer behave a lot better 540 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: than than the public. I wouldn't say it's Midwestern like, 541 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: but the deer come out and fields they daylight at 542 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: four o'clock in the afternoon. You're like, because it's like, 543 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm not used to this. It's like hunting field edges 544 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: and hedgerows. I'm like, it's farm to me because I 545 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: don't do it. So I sat and field edges or 546 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: hedgerows and I feel naked because I'm like, what am 547 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: I doing out here? There's nothing going to happen. And 548 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: then four o'clock just pile out in the field and 549 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: You're like, like this really happens, Like it's you know, 550 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: very tv issh if you will. And you know, the 551 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: pressure area gets extreme pressure most of you know, and 552 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: you can find some little pockets here and here with 553 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: no pressure. But these dear have been pressured your whole life, 554 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: so it don't really take much, you know, from them 555 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: deer to alter into survival mode, you know. And we 556 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: have that early season in September, you know, a second week, 557 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: but you have to shoot a dough where you shoot 558 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: a buck, which is just earn a buck, they call it. 559 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: Like I've passed so many good deer, Like opening morning, 560 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: like here comes a hammer and I'm like I was 561 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: just there's a group of dose here all week long. 562 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: Opening morning, here comes to hammer. I'm like, hey, all right, 563 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: I've never seen you before. But you know, it's like 564 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: a very frustrating time in September. But a lot of 565 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: people are running cameras, a lot of people are baiting, 566 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: running minerals say they're pressure and deer even for the 567 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: season starts, you know. And I've noticed that change in 568 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: the last ten years, I'll say last five years, it's 569 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: gotten extremely difficult to get on good bucks, you know 570 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: without really you'll blowing them out, you know, because prime 571 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: example last year in Delaware, pretty much high pressure area. 572 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: These bucks were coming out into the field, the bean field, 573 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: this little pocket and I had a camera there all 574 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: summer and then we decided to go down and hunt it. 575 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: And I pulled a camera like after the third day 576 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: because we've seen some trucks there, so we didn't hunt it. 577 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: A bunch of boot tracks. A guy walked for like 578 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: three days for a season. A hunter walked the edge 579 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: of the field with his family, you know, walked the beans, 580 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: the bucks, big old the seven pounter came in, smelled 581 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: it going. Now like so there's a whole week, like 582 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: he was there like for hours on end. Like I 583 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: got hundreds and hundreds of pictures here in a short time, 584 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: like this was this cool area. He smelled one human, 585 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: it was out, and all the other small bucks skill 586 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: came out, but like the two mature ones, we're like, nope, 587 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: we're out. So it just took one encounter with the 588 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: human and farmers walked that field edge all the time, 589 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, like human scents not foreign to him. But 590 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: it took a guy that was a little more human scent, 591 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: probably died in the woods a little bit, and that 592 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: buck was like, ah, deuces, and it was like I've 593 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: never seen him. We hunted down it, We hunted him 594 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: pretty hard, and he just was never be founding it. Didn't. 595 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: You know, my buddy was hunting there a few times. 596 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: I think so that I wish every hunter could learn 597 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: that lesson quick because man, there are situations where you 598 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: can bump them around and they're not that sensitive to it. 599 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: But when you're dealing with deer that are, it's an 600 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: eye opener. I had that happened to me. I must 601 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: have been about three years ago in Minnesota on a 602 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: private farm that I have, where it's like you might 603 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: kill a good one opening night on a field, like 604 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: you just might because they're they're not onto it yet. 605 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: And I had I had a spot. The year before, 606 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: I killed a really good one opening night, and so 607 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: I hung a camera there the next year, still elf alfa, 608 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: like may you know maybe right? Yeah, And I had 609 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: quite a few good ones coming out using it, like 610 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: fighting in the field right by the stand, Like I 611 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: was like, this is going to happen again, you know, 612 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: And I should know better because I never do. Lightning 613 00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: never strikes twice for me. Like if I kill a 614 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: buck here, I might as well write that spot off 615 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: forever because it's over. But I had that camera on 616 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: video mode and went out there and say it wasn't 617 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: a cell camera. I went out there and sat opening 618 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: nights a few doughs. It was just dead. So I 619 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: checked the camera. And the day before the season, I 620 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: had a different hunter walk in there walking his dog 621 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: blasting Motley crue like you hear the whole thing, you know, 622 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: and walked in there onto the trail of those bucks, 623 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: come out and hung a camera on it. And he 624 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: even had his daughter with him, and his daughter said, 625 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: whose camera is that? Like I heard the whole exchange 626 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: and just shut it down. I mean they were just like, 627 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: we're not using this anymore, and I just wish, like 628 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: I wish you could know, like that's that impact is 629 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: like it's not little, like that can be a really 630 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: bad deal, and so you think about it. We never 631 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: look at that for ourselves, like it's always this dipshit 632 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: that walks in there that you're like, oh, I hate 633 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 1: that guy because he blew my dear out. We never 634 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: think it were the dipshit, but we are all the time. 635 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: And the more that you you hunt those kind of deer, 636 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: the more you learn, and like your presence is is big. Well, 637 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: I remember, you know, we grew up, they said a 638 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: long time ago. But reading articles from Miles Keller, like 639 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: his thought process like groundset, you know, and all that 640 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: stuff like groundset is so important to understand. How you're 641 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: set is what you're going to set, you're gonna leave 642 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: like tall grass, short grass, do dowey grass. And if 643 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: you if a big buck cut your track, you know, 644 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: and it's fresh with a new pressure area. They know 645 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: of a two hour track versus ceo a two day 646 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: old track, but they know humans in here and you're 647 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: they're usually not here. They're going to insurvival mode for 648 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: most part most bucks, you know, there might be a 649 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: few outliers at just like they're so crafty they don't 650 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: really bother them. But I think any bucks that shot 651 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: at any any kind of one hundred stops about that 652 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: buck knows like, well, I know what that is, you know. 653 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: So I was like those moments you're just educating news dear. 654 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: You're going to check your camera, you know, or hunting 655 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: the wrong winds, your groundset, not paying attention to your 656 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: intron exit it Really you're helping the deer and you're 657 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: hurting yourself. Do you find you know, being in a 658 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: state New Jersey, it's a little bit weird because a 659 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: lot of states allow baiting on private but not public. 660 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: But it's wide open there. Do you see like with 661 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: your trail cameras you go pop a trail camera on 662 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: a tree, do you see like do you get negative 663 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: reactions on that? Because I know where I hunt in Wisconsin, 664 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: they can bait and man if I put a camera 665 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: out and those those deer blow up on it like 666 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: they are not tolerant of it. Yeah, they some of 667 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: the higher end models. Um Like, I don't buy high 668 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: end modeling more because I get a lot stolen, so 669 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: I buy cheaper ones and they're noisy. There's something going on, 670 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: there's an audible click, you know, you can barely hear it, 671 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: you know, or like the red anything any camera I 672 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: got that's red than deer onto it. They they're spooky. 673 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: They're a cage especial video that it stays red long 674 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: time you see it, especially like older dose. Older dos 675 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: are the worst. I mean, they get up to it 676 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: and they smell it, and you know, so I try 677 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: to set my cameras up high, and I do. I 678 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: do my best to wear rubber gloves and rubber boots 679 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: when checking cameras because I know, like you're especially you 680 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: when it's hot out, you touch your face. I know 681 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: it's not going to help much, but it does help some, 682 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: you know, to get your set up a little bit higher, 683 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: and not to be touchy grabby with the bark, you know, 684 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: especially does mature does Jersey or I think they're harder 685 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: to hunt than a mature buck because you have her 686 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: plus her whole, you know, thirty other deer sheep bread 687 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 1: and list five years with her, you know, if she's 688 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: onto something, all the rest is on something. Yeah, yeah, nobody, 689 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: We've We've done episodes on this. I've written about this. 690 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: Nobody talks about that, how how a game does are? 691 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: Thank you? And when you talked about earn a buck 692 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: there I you know, when I first started hunting Wisconsin, 693 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: some parts had earned a buck. And man, you want 694 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: to be reminded that you're not the greatest deer hunter 695 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: in the world. Have to shoot a dough before you 696 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: can kill a buck. That can That can give you 697 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: like anxiety attacks because it's when all of a sudden, 698 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: when you're not just like, oh, at any given point 699 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: in the season, if a doe walks by, a might shooter, 700 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: when you're like, I have to target one and I 701 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: have to make it happen. That's a different deal. It's 702 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: a I shot this old dough. I had her aged out. 703 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: She was eight and a half and I hunted her. 704 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: She had short, little stubby legs, you know, I knew 705 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: it was her, but she was a made shark, you know. 706 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: And there was this old wooden stand. Every time like 707 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: falling down. Every time she went by this stand, she 708 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: would literally rustle her feet in the leaves to get that, 709 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, because I'm sure when she was a falling 710 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, yearling, her mom showed her or a hunter 711 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: wasn't there, so she would literally stare at the stand 712 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: it's fallen down in a tree. But she knew that 713 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: was dangerous. So anything that was like horizontal, up in 714 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: the up in the air, she was not having it. 715 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: And whenever I hunted, she would pick me out. I 716 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: don't care if I was, you know, ten feet on 717 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: the ground or twenty. She came in that wood lot, 718 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: she would just like look around and she would pegged 719 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: me every time. I finally killed her in winter Bow 720 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: for a first day of winter Bow a few years ago, 721 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: and she came in blowing. The win was good. She 722 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: came in the wood lot blowing. I don't know why, 723 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: but she was on edge. She came in. I had 724 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 1: a good ground, like everything was perfect. She was on edge, 725 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: like she just knew als in that wood lot, and 726 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: she got all way up to my tree, you know, 727 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: like came right out to the base of their tree. 728 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: And I'm like, she knows exactly where I'm at, you know, 729 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 1: I bounced all around, But she got in that wood 730 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: lot and I don't know if she see me like skylighted, 731 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 1: you know, in the dark or whatever, but she came 732 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: rinking and based their tree in the dark, and then 733 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: kind of pulled out and right at first light, I 734 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: just let her have it, you know, and it was 735 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: like the greatest accomplishment as far as like winter Bow 736 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: hunt or even you know. She was a big dough 737 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: old dough like teeth, like she had a big infection 738 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: in her face. She probably would have died. You know, 739 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: she had like three babies in her But she was 740 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: probably the toughest eater I've ever hunted. And I specifically 741 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: targeted her because she beat my ass so many times. 742 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta kill you at a sheer principle, 743 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: like I can't go out like this. Well, I mean, 744 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: think about an eight and a half year old deer. 745 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: That's like the equivalent of a ninety year old person 746 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: who's never left their town, right, Like they live in 747 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: a town of eight thousand people and they've never left 748 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: it their entire life. Like they know everything, you know 749 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: what I mean? That deer has been out there every 750 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: day for eight and a half years, Like you're not 751 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: you know, you hang a new stand, you hang a 752 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: new camera, and she walks by, She's going to be 753 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: aware of that. Yeah, yeah, she was. Those kg dos 754 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: are you know, and they blow up a lot of 755 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: my good spots, especially like during the run, like they 756 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: have a they have a better sense than I think 757 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: the Bucks, you know, because Bucks are loved you'll come November. 758 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: They're just you know, love struck zombie walking paying attention 759 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: half the time. But those does always are always on alert. Yeah, 760 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the sort of unspoken real 761 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: challenges of being a public land hunter primarily is you know, 762 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: if you if you get on really badass private land, 763 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: A lot of those does get a lot of passes, 764 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: like they you know, just like the Bucks do, right, 765 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: But you get on public land and those deer, even 766 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,919 Speaker 1: if they're coming into a bait pil and they weren't 767 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: going to get shot by this guy, the next bait pile, 768 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: somebody's going to shoot at them, and they spend their 769 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: whole life on a hit list or everybody's hit list, 770 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: and that cumulative pressure is real and you you have 771 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,439 Speaker 1: to beat them if you're going to get a buck. 772 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: And it's not it's like we kind of it's sort 773 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: of like a throwaway thing we don't really give enough 774 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: credit to. But it's a big problem for a lot 775 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, it's a I could don't open a 776 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: night this year, and I was like, man, this is 777 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: a year. And I didn't see until like in of October, 778 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: like September. I was just getting just gut punched by 779 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: the deer. Like I wasn't seeing no bucks, Like I 780 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: got a buck tag for the first time in years, 781 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: and nope, it was like a ghost out. Man. I 782 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: was like, and I really wasn't even seeing the doze 783 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: and I was like, I just wanted to shoot something. 784 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: It was a it was a very difficult season and 785 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: all that scouting I did, like the year prior, the 786 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: last couple of years, and somebody spots. It was like 787 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: I never even scouted. Simon was not there, the robs 788 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 1: weren't there, the deer weren't there. And I'm kind of 789 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: curious now because I saw have cameras out that I 790 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: sat in like September and somebody spots, like I just 791 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: want to go see if it turned my holl on, 792 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, Like our season just started thirty first January, 793 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: so I'm just starting to start start my scouting stuff now, 794 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: so I'm kind of curious see whether this deer went 795 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: and maybe it's food oaks, different crops, it could be 796 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: pressure bait piles. I need to figure it out because 797 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: like I worked on my entry and exits, I did 798 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: all this everything that you're supposed to do, and it 799 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: was like, there's not here, and you feel kind of 800 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: defeated because you like, this is the year everything's going 801 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: to happen, and like nothing. So it's like I like 802 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: that because it's like I got my butt kicked, and 803 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: I love that. I love having that like front of 804 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: my face every time I go out, come out, I'm 805 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: not seeing at the air and I'm like, all right, 806 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,800 Speaker 1: all right, what is your plan then? Though, So you 807 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: come off a season because I think there's a really 808 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: good lesson there and a lot of people I'm talking 809 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: to they're like, man, I got my ass kicked last year, 810 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: Like I you know, just it just happens. But so 811 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: you've had cameras out there soaking, so you'll get a 812 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: pretty good glimpse into what was happening through those. It's 813 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: not going to answer all your questions. What's your like 814 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: winter scouting strategy to go, Okay next year? This isn't 815 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: happening to me. I'm gonna be on them more. What 816 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: are you what are you looking at? I'm looking for 817 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: because I said the rub lines, and you know, those 818 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: rubbing areas of staging errors weren't there, so they got 819 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: to be somewhere else, you know, and I need to 820 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: figure out like where they went. And I do believe 821 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: it's going to be it's it's likely food or pressure. 822 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 1: I gotta figure out maybe somebody's coming in from private 823 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: because some of the spots it's like you got one 824 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: trawl head the anybody to get to somebody spots like 825 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: you gotta park here, there's no other way around it. 826 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: So maybe somebody's coming in by four wheeler, you know, 827 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: e bikes. Like I need to figure out what change 828 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: from these last couple of years. So for me, it's 829 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: trying to go back to the drawing board and having 830 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: like a clean slate, like all right, there's nothing here. 831 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: I have grid services. During hunting season, I didn't find anything. 832 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: So now I'm gonna go here and just like quadrant 833 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: scout it, you know, because I got kids, wife, so 834 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: I have a little four hour blocks on the weekend, 835 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,359 Speaker 1: so I like to just I'm gonna scout this five 836 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 1: piece I my blank get up into four blocks, you know, 837 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: and then for you know, Saturday, Sunday two weeks in 838 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: a row. I'm gonna scout these, you know, up and down, 839 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: up and down, zig zag them and really hopefully either 840 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: write that place off or see what I need to see. 841 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: And usually it said it's pressure and food. Could be 842 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 1: somebody with a ladder stand and they could be bait 843 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: and all summer you know, who knows. I have to 844 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: go find out why it happened. When when you break 845 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 1: a property up like that and you talk about winner 846 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: scouting it, you know, we talk all the time about 847 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,919 Speaker 1: looking for rubs. You know, if you don't have any snow, 848 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,280 Speaker 1: you can look for last season scrapes, trails, whatever the usual. 849 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: But it sounds like you're looking for a lot of 850 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: human signed too, and that's like for me, I know, 851 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: that's like half the battle on public. I'm like, where 852 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: are the stands? Where are the piles of garbage? Like? 853 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: Where are the tack trails? Is that what you're looking 854 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: for too? Yes, exactly. I'll go out at night too, 855 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: Like I'll get out of Udeo and it's super early, 856 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: when it's still dark out and look for eyeshine because 857 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: I know, you know you can go to you know, 858 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 1: see eyeshine. Every eyeshine I see, I go up and 859 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: look at it. If it's an old tat rusty tag, 860 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: if it's the new triangle shape one or whatever square was. 861 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: And I know in certain areas there's never been eyeshine. 862 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, well that's new. I need to see where 863 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: that's going, you know, and like going in the daytime, 864 00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: you don't know that. So I'll go in a night, 865 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,959 Speaker 1: late night, early morning, two am if I can't sleep. 866 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: I was going to look for eyeshine, you know, near 867 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: the trailhead and stuff like that. I try to do 868 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 1: things that most people won't because we talked about earlier 869 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 1: there is no secrets out there, you know. So it's 870 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: like there is no secret you know, trailheads or canoe launches, 871 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, or anything. Now there's ebikes, you know, canoes, kayaks. 872 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: So I just trying to go where people aren't because 873 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: if you're seeing people, you're not seeing big bucks, you know, 874 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 1: so you avoid the people. I find you'll start to 875 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 1: see more deer sign And to break it down a 876 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: little bit further, is rub size. If I'm finding a 877 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: bunch of saplings rubs all over place, you know, like 878 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: little rubs, you know, it's a little dinker. If there's 879 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: a bunch of them. There's probably a doge group with 880 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: you know. Uh, it's her first year, you know, so 881 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: she might be trailed around. So I'm looking for bigger, 882 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: dear sign, taller rubs away from people, away from human sign, 883 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 1: do you So you don't give a whole lot of 884 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 1: like credence to small rubs on average, now, um, but 885 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 1: sometimes they will if it's a rub line, yes, But 886 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 1: if it's like just you know, oaks, you see where 887 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: there's like rubs and scrapes all over the place, usually 888 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: as young deer doing that, you know, I'm looking for 889 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,399 Speaker 1: that isolated big old scrapes or I just need one 890 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: big hammer rub to get me excited, you know, like 891 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: I see one good tall room and by hammer I 892 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,879 Speaker 1: mean not necessarily diameter, but height. You know, I want 893 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: to I want to see time marks up in my 894 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: chest that all right, there's a wider deer here, or 895 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: deer with longer times, you know, because if I'm seeing 896 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 1: rubs that are like a foot off the ground and 897 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: you know I'm I doesn't necessarily get me excited. Yeah, 898 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: unless it's a trail like a rub line, like I'll 899 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 1: follow them. But I love rub lines because you can 900 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: find some hidden gems, you know, especially big woods, you 901 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: find it a long time, like it's hard to follow 902 00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,879 Speaker 1: rub line. If you can mark it now on your 903 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: you're whatever software using, you know, and you can kind 904 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 1: of see how this year moving through different types of terrain. 905 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 1: You know, you go back to Google Earth and you 906 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: look at the time of year, like, oh, he's following this. 907 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: You know, this this soft edge in the mature hardwoods 908 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,479 Speaker 1: there you don't necessarily see unless you were actually walking 909 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: that scene rub line that the deer was. Yep. I mean, 910 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the you know, I've talked 911 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: about this a lot, like I'm not a big bed guy, Like, 912 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I like them whatever, but I don't I 913 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: don't build a strategy around finding individual beds very often. 914 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,720 Speaker 1: But man, my favorite winter scouting is in big woods stuff. 915 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: And if I find that like knob or something where 916 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: there's a there's like a big buck bed on there, 917 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: it's like you're gonna stand there and spend three sixteen 918 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: You're gonna see a rub line going down here to 919 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: the creek bottom and a rub line go and it's 920 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 1: like he's it's like you're talking about with those eyeshines 921 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: somebody leaves tack trail out there, It's like, Okay, I 922 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: know exactly where you started, exactly where you ended when 923 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: you walk into an out of the woods when you stand, 924 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: when you find those situations and you can read that 925 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: rub line, You're like that information so valuable. Yeah. And 926 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm primarily a bed guy, especially like October. Like I 927 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: have a lot of success hunting a singular bed, but 928 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: it's always the nine percent of time it's the rubs 929 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,399 Speaker 1: that lead me to that bed. And He's like, hold 930 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: on a second. So when your winner scouting, you'll find 931 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,879 Speaker 1: rub concentrations and you'll tie that into finding a bed 932 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: to hunt in October. Yeah, if I find like a 933 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: rub line, like you know, you want to see you 934 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 1: kind of where like may pull up on a map, 935 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: like where's it going? Like maybe there's just thick it 936 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,359 Speaker 1: over there, you know. I find a lot of beds, 937 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: believe or not, by accident by following deer trails like 938 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: a walter. I'm like, man, there's ruling nothing here. You 939 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: look down understanding a giant, well worn bed right end 940 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: up here. I don't know how I got there, but 941 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,320 Speaker 1: you're just all the train and the you know, the vegetation, 942 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,080 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, look there's a buck bed, you know, 943 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: and then you sit there look around like you said, oh, 944 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,360 Speaker 1: there's a rub or you know, there's you know, some 945 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: bucks signed over there or a big track or something. 946 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 1: So I rubs and beds. I'm not a big food guy. Um, 947 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,279 Speaker 1: you know, I don't have myself hunting specific food. I'm 948 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: trying to get good at deciphering food and different types 949 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: of bark, but my brain canney handle so much information. 950 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: You know. Do you think that partially your strategy, you know, 951 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 1: of of paying attention to rubs big time and then 952 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 1: hunting beds is just built around the fact that you're 953 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,439 Speaker 1: you're in a state where man, when everybody can bait 954 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: a food pattern isn't the same thing. You're not. You're 955 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 1: not dealing with us the same kind of food situation 956 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: that you would be in a state without bait. Yeah, 957 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: it's the first week or two, you might get some 958 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: beans bucks coming out their beans, But I'm never rarely 959 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: on the field. It's like it's probably a hundred yards. 960 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: It's probably the closest I'll get to a field edge 961 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: the first two weeks, and even that's a that's a 962 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: tough sell sometimes, you know, um, but yeah, the food 963 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,800 Speaker 1: being food everywhere prevalent, and so I kind of just 964 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,919 Speaker 1: adapted to like the bed hunting because a big buck 965 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: he'll get up out of his bed and he won't 966 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,439 Speaker 1: move very far, like I've seen, like I've I've set 967 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,399 Speaker 1: up on beds. I've watched the bucket up middle around 968 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,759 Speaker 1: in his bed, take a few steps, and you're talking 969 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: forty there's forty five minutes of light left. He don't move, 970 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,799 Speaker 1: he doesn't move, so dark. And then it's like, now 971 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 1: I'm stuck in this tree because there's like one troll 972 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: out of this like he's come by direction, and I'm like, oh, 973 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: this is great. I'm gonna be here getting bit up 974 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: by bugs, you know, because it's like it's hot, you know, 975 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: and it's like and you're losing that game, you know 976 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 1: if you will, because he's gonna smell you. You're in 977 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: you're in his comfort zone. Well, that spot's going, So 978 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: I have no problem going to the next. Like I 979 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: do a lot of scouting. I have a lot of spots, 980 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,839 Speaker 1: you know, so it's like one spot blows out, I'm 981 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: like he's out. I'll go somewhere else is that a 982 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: function of being a public land hunter, because I know, 983 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 1: I mean, my whole thing about winner scouting is just 984 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 1: to give myself options because I know that even if 985 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm perfectly careful on a little setup that I really like, 986 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,320 Speaker 1: it's maybe two sits and it's over, and so often 987 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,479 Speaker 1: even before I get in there, it's done for whatever reason. 988 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what reason, it's gone. And it's like 989 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 1: you can't get married to any one thing because it's 990 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:33,040 Speaker 1: so fleeting. Yes, it's a I don't have you know, 991 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: let's say eight. I'm kind of stubborn, but I don't 992 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: hold on the spots, you know, like I'm stubborn for areas, 993 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,520 Speaker 1: but like a particular tree, nope, you know, if it's 994 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 1: not there, Like I said, one sit, usually i'm going, 995 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 1: especially like October, because I get I get really aggressive, 996 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,520 Speaker 1: especially in the morning, like I'm going or usually like 997 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 1: come October, every one of my sits like I'm going 998 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,800 Speaker 1: to kill, especially in the morning. I love mornings. So 999 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,840 Speaker 1: a lot of my outing is devised, you know, to 1000 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: capitalize on the October the law, I guess was what 1001 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: they call it. So morning sits in October I have 1002 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 1: the most success hunting in the morning. I see a 1003 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: lot of big Bucks at seven thirty in the morning 1004 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,879 Speaker 1: when most people say they're they're they're in bed before dark, 1005 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,520 Speaker 1: not always, you know. So it's like it's a lot 1006 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: of yeah, a lot of my scouting. I mean, all 1007 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: these they are behind me there. There's only one that's 1008 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: killed at night. They're all mornings, you know, from seven 1009 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,239 Speaker 1: to eight pm, you know, or seven to eight am. 1010 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,800 Speaker 1: So a lot of my scouting is for morning setups 1011 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,320 Speaker 1: in October and income November. It's just like, you know, 1012 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,960 Speaker 1: it's a free for all. You'll find it dose you 1013 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:56,959 Speaker 1: find a box basically is your strategy. You know, find 1014 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: find a place where a buck's bed and find an 1015 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: individual bed and then figure out a way to get 1016 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: in there and beat him back there in the morning 1017 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,920 Speaker 1: in October, yes, man, exactly, Nobody talks about that. And 1018 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,320 Speaker 1: so again I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a 1019 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: limb here. But I think I'm right. This is probably 1020 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,600 Speaker 1: a function of there's crazy, you know, a crazy amount 1021 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 1: of hunter is in around Opener. Everybody's running their bait sites. 1022 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: Everybody's excited, and then they go, this isn't that much fun. 1023 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait until Halloween to really get after it again. 1024 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: And you have that two or three week window in 1025 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,279 Speaker 1: October on public land where even if your pressure is 1026 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: fifty percent of what it is at peak, that's a 1027 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: big difference. And then if you think, well now I'm 1028 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: in a hunt of morning, Now you've dropped another thirty 1029 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,839 Speaker 1: percent of that pressure down, and it's like you can 1030 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,440 Speaker 1: hunt the deer for a couple of weeks. Yes, they 1031 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: I don't say they get they get less edgy, but 1032 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 1: I think they know, like said, the human pressure, because 1033 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,000 Speaker 1: they're born in the pressure. So if you come in 1034 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: and you add pressure, stinkyo, whatever it might be. That 1035 00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,600 Speaker 1: buck's not going to run the next gun. He's got 1036 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: nowhere to go. He's just going to just avoid area 1037 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,480 Speaker 1: and make a slight change. He's not gonna go, you know, 1038 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 1: three hundred yards orm all away. He's just gonna shift 1039 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 1: his bedding or his route fifty sixty yards. Sometimes that's 1040 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,800 Speaker 1: just nuts. That's because sometimes he has he doesn't have 1041 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 1: the space to go, and he's not gonna go walk 1042 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,840 Speaker 1: through open timber or a field edge. He's going to 1043 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,399 Speaker 1: go to the next available thick cover, which usually it's 1044 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,560 Speaker 1: fifty or sixty yards it's not very far. So he's 1045 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: just he's adapting to the pressure. He's not like freaking 1046 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,760 Speaker 1: out about it because you know, it's life. It's business 1047 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 1: usual for them, you know, And I think a lot 1048 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,960 Speaker 1: of people will get that mixed up. Like I bumped 1049 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 1: the buck. He's gone. Now he's gone for a couple 1050 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,840 Speaker 1: of days. You know, he's going to alter things, especially 1051 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 1: if he gets out of his bed like super clean, 1052 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, like his bed worth. He's not going to 1053 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: bandon that, you know, like you're going to abandon like 1054 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,360 Speaker 1: something that saves your life basically now. So well, I 1055 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,400 Speaker 1: mean that's that's the way to look at it, right, 1056 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:56,880 Speaker 1: is it. When you get out there and you're scouting 1057 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 1: right now, you're looking for those places where they're they're 1058 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 1: showing you, I was here in this place gave me 1059 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 1: some advantages. Yeah, you know, even if you stumble through there, 1060 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,759 Speaker 1: or a woodcock hunter goes through there or whatever, it's 1061 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,400 Speaker 1: not like they're going to abandon that completely that because 1062 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,920 Speaker 1: that place gives them advantages. And it's not like if 1063 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: that buck gets killed, another one isn't going to figure 1064 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,799 Speaker 1: that out. And those those kind of situations are so important. Yes, 1065 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,960 Speaker 1: and thanks. We talked about the ground sent Walking ground 1066 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,759 Speaker 1: cent is different than like setting a tree stand up 1067 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,400 Speaker 1: and sitting or sitting on the ground sent like when 1068 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: you're sitting there for long periods of time, like your 1069 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,880 Speaker 1: scent is just saturating everything. And a mature dough or 1070 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,919 Speaker 1: a mature buff like they know that, like this human 1071 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,480 Speaker 1: stopped here for a long time. But a walking trail, 1072 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's just it's the sense there, 1073 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,919 Speaker 1: but it's not as perceived as a threat so much 1074 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,400 Speaker 1: like they know something up to back up a little bit, 1075 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,680 Speaker 1: but they don't get that big whiff of like oh 1076 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,960 Speaker 1: my god, those humans here. You know. It's just staking 1077 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 1: enough for hours on end, or a guy that hunts 1078 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,359 Speaker 1: the same tree, you know, thirty times the season, you know, dude, 1079 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,040 Speaker 1: I remember a couple of six seven years ago, I 1080 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,919 Speaker 1: was hunting Wisconsin and I was hunting just this punk, 1081 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,480 Speaker 1: this chunk of public land, and I had gone in 1082 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,839 Speaker 1: and set up in this spot, and I actually saw 1083 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,719 Speaker 1: quite a few deer off and I didn't kill one, 1084 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: pulled my set out. You know. Next day I was 1085 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,480 Speaker 1: going to go in where I saw saw these bucks chasing, 1086 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,600 Speaker 1: and it snowed that night, and I remember walking down 1087 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,439 Speaker 1: through there because it was off of this this little 1088 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,640 Speaker 1: two track. And then I walked by the tree that 1089 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,759 Speaker 1: I was in the day before, and there was all 1090 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,480 Speaker 1: these sets of deer tracks in the snow coming up 1091 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,160 Speaker 1: to it. There was anything left in there, but they're 1092 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 1: just like somebody caught a whiff of it, checked it out, 1093 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 1: and then you could just see, like after hours when 1094 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: it was dark, they were like, Okay, some asshole was 1095 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,399 Speaker 1: in here. They're aware of this, And I think that's 1096 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,279 Speaker 1: going to happened, dude all the time. And then I've 1097 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,800 Speaker 1: told sort of a few times. I was hout in 1098 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 1: the salt marsh and like bract of salt Marcearia, and 1099 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,759 Speaker 1: I had this big little buck come in. Two bucks 1100 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,560 Speaker 1: come in, and it's you know, earn a buck, so 1101 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,600 Speaker 1: you know how that goes, and he leaves him in 1102 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,600 Speaker 1: the seven point of leave and then kind of look 1103 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,480 Speaker 1: back from right here, it comes a smaller buck coming 1104 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,400 Speaker 1: right to the base of my tree. I mean he came, 1105 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,839 Speaker 1: he caught my ground, sent right up there. He came 1106 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 1: right to my tree, and I'm looking at him. I'm like, man, 1107 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,960 Speaker 1: that big box around here somewhere. I'm looking all around, 1108 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,480 Speaker 1: looking all around. He's back in the shadows looking for 1109 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,319 Speaker 1: humans up in the tree, and he sees we make 1110 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,560 Speaker 1: eye contact and then he just backs right up in 1111 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,160 Speaker 1: the dark disappears. He sent that little buck to go 1112 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,520 Speaker 1: die basically because I beat him and he did not 1113 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,399 Speaker 1: want to. He wanted to know who beat him, where 1114 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,640 Speaker 1: he was and how they got there. And I was like, wow, 1115 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,600 Speaker 1: like how you're supposed to kill deer like that, like 1116 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,560 Speaker 1: when this dear was old, stiffly he walked with like arthritis, 1117 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,839 Speaker 1: You're like, he's seen some stuff, man, but that deer 1118 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,280 Speaker 1: I beat him, and he'll really set his best buddy 1119 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,800 Speaker 1: to die. Basically, well there you go, see where the 1120 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,120 Speaker 1: seior Dane's come from, and he's looking up the trees. 1121 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,400 Speaker 1: So I'm like that is just unreal, Like how is 1122 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,480 Speaker 1: that even possible for a prey animal. So he evolved 1123 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: to that, you know, that level where he wants to 1124 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: know what beat him, and he wants to see him 1125 00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,399 Speaker 1: in the tree, like he needs to validate that ground 1126 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,800 Speaker 1: sent like and now you know, like he probably you 1127 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,720 Speaker 1: went and hiding that you know, probably became because strictly 1128 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,279 Speaker 1: nocturnal at that point. You know, dude, I think there's 1129 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,839 Speaker 1: such a good lesson there. And I know people will 1130 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,000 Speaker 1: listen to that and say that's b s. There's no 1131 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,799 Speaker 1: way they can communicate that way. Listen, man, I think 1132 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,400 Speaker 1: the way that they're in tune to each other, we 1133 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: can't even understand it. I don't have you ever had 1134 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,880 Speaker 1: a meal there before? No, Man, if you hunt like 1135 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,360 Speaker 1: high country meal deer where you know, like your typical 1136 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,360 Speaker 1: like late August Colorado hunt, where you're glassing up the 1137 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,000 Speaker 1: big velvet bucks, you'll see those deer. They'll be like 1138 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,560 Speaker 1: a one seventy and you know, three or four smaller 1139 00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 1: bucks right, and you know they're bachelored up there in 1140 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,360 Speaker 1: the high country. Those suckers will bed down and that 1141 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,680 Speaker 1: big buck will be in the best spot guaranteed. And 1142 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,120 Speaker 1: then there'll be this little century buck here on this 1143 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,800 Speaker 1: point and this one here, and you start reading it 1144 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,759 Speaker 1: and you go, you know, they didn't probably like plan that, 1145 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,360 Speaker 1: Like they're not saying, okay, you bed here, you bed here. 1146 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 1: It just like nature shakes out that way, and it's 1147 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,360 Speaker 1: like this, this little dude's got this corner, This little 1148 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,880 Speaker 1: dude's got this corner, this dude's above, and it's like 1149 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,280 Speaker 1: whether it's like intentional or totally just like a survival accident. 1150 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,280 Speaker 1: They're unapproachable and you go like, that's it doesn't matter 1151 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,840 Speaker 1: whether they did it on purpose, because they beat you already. 1152 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,560 Speaker 1: And I just I think that stuff's incredible. Well, let's 1153 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 1: see what you see it with do betting. When you find, 1154 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,480 Speaker 1: like dough betting, they bed a group of does you know, 1155 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,919 Speaker 1: especially in the marsh, you know, you in the salt marsh, 1156 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,040 Speaker 1: you'll see they bed down in the reads. It's one 1157 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,760 Speaker 1: point in this direction, one's going this way, one's going 1158 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,880 Speaker 1: this way. They're covered a full three sixty and it's 1159 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,520 Speaker 1: like it's ridiculous almost like you know, like a when 1160 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: geese land in the field, you have the feeders and 1161 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,960 Speaker 1: you have the centuries. There's always somebody watching, and I 1162 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,760 Speaker 1: think you like, early season, it could be tough, you know, 1163 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,360 Speaker 1: because bucks are grouped up, but you hit that beginning 1164 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,600 Speaker 1: of October, then bucks start to separate, you know, and 1165 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,360 Speaker 1: that's when that big one goes off on his own. 1166 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,800 Speaker 1: And I find it's easier to kill a buck, a 1167 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,760 Speaker 1: single deer, because he just has two eyes and two 1168 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,720 Speaker 1: ears and two noses. You don't have four bucks behind him. 1169 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 1: Everybody knows stents going everywhere, so it's like or a 1170 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,520 Speaker 1: group of dose bet and so a singular buck in October. 1171 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,360 Speaker 1: He's going from point A to point B. So you 1172 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,440 Speaker 1: find out where he's feeding, find out where he's betting. 1173 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,920 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't always work out that way, but 1174 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:46,000 Speaker 1: he's walking, he's taking his time. Shots are readily available 1175 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,080 Speaker 1: because he's a no hurry to get back to the bed, 1176 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, back to that seven thirty, he's still meandering 1177 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,960 Speaker 1: back to his bed, like it's a good time to 1178 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,040 Speaker 1: be in the woods. If you understand, I think, you know, 1179 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,800 Speaker 1: if you're scouting, helps you, you know, break down these 1180 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,360 Speaker 1: these areas where they're finding where they're betting, and you know, 1181 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,120 Speaker 1: getting close, like I get super aggressive, you know, and 1182 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,400 Speaker 1: it's like it's not for everybody. I don't recommend that. 1183 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,960 Speaker 1: There's a lot of times I get busted, you know, 1184 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 1: when it's dark out and it's like, well all this 1185 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,280 Speaker 1: work for nothing, But it's like, well it worked, he 1186 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,520 Speaker 1: was here, so it's like it's a win. It's just 1187 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,080 Speaker 1: an hour and a half too late, too soon. Yep. Well, 1188 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,840 Speaker 1: I think what you're talking about there is an interesting 1189 00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,760 Speaker 1: point because I feel the same way when I love 1190 00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,200 Speaker 1: the October low like I love middle of October when 1191 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,560 Speaker 1: when people say you shouldn't be out there, because I 1192 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,959 Speaker 1: think you get a point where those Bucks, like you said, 1193 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:42,160 Speaker 1: they're they're not hanging out together generally, and they get confident, 1194 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,600 Speaker 1: like it's almost like they're overconfident about their safety if 1195 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,320 Speaker 1: they're in a really good spot. You don't see that 1196 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,240 Speaker 1: with dose. Those are always kind of neurotic and like 1197 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,960 Speaker 1: they're worried about keeping the little ones alive. But you 1198 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,360 Speaker 1: see Bucks and it's like a it's a weakness I 1199 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,560 Speaker 1: think you can exploit because yes, you know, like you said, 1200 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,120 Speaker 1: you watch that buck bed down and it's like, you know, 1201 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,280 Speaker 1: you're ticking down to the last couple of minutes of 1202 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,360 Speaker 1: shooting light, and you know, sometimes they get up. Sometimes 1203 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,680 Speaker 1: they don't, but a lot of times they do, and 1204 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,400 Speaker 1: it's just like they're just so confident they're safe there 1205 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,240 Speaker 1: that they'll get up and go make a rub and 1206 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:14,960 Speaker 1: start working their way down the trail. And yeah, they 1207 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,560 Speaker 1: won't be to the field for until it's a half 1208 01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,080 Speaker 1: hour after dark, but they moved enough for you to 1209 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,160 Speaker 1: kill them. And they just act like they're just king shit, 1210 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,000 Speaker 1: like they don't have the same kind of danger and 1211 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,920 Speaker 1: that that's when they kill them. Yeah, and that's it 1212 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,760 Speaker 1: scares a lot of people because it's you know, being 1213 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,600 Speaker 1: a you know, hunting a particular buck. Anybody's on a 1214 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,160 Speaker 1: particular buck for mature dear. In general, we don't have 1215 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,200 Speaker 1: a lot of mature deer in New Jersey. So there 1216 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,760 Speaker 1: might only be one four year old someone a piece 1217 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,400 Speaker 1: of money in a bunch of two and a half 1218 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,280 Speaker 1: year olds. You know, if you do all this work 1219 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,440 Speaker 1: and I've had good access, good entry, you know, good everything, 1220 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,280 Speaker 1: Everything was good, you know, and daybreak comes, you know, 1221 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,680 Speaker 1: here comes a spike on the net bed and it's like, 1222 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,280 Speaker 1: well all right, you know, like all bulls are using 1223 01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,640 Speaker 1: this bad which is good, you know, like my fault 1224 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,520 Speaker 1: process guy in that peace, like all right, this is 1225 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,400 Speaker 1: a good spot for a buff to bed, Like it's 1226 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,440 Speaker 1: didn't work out for me that time, you know, And 1227 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,480 Speaker 1: that scares a lot of people. Getting that aggressive, you're 1228 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,720 Speaker 1: gonna chars. You don't scare them away, thank going anywhere 1229 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,280 Speaker 1: they got nowhere to go, like where they're going, hop 1230 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,880 Speaker 1: on a plane and go somewhere else. I mean that 1231 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,560 Speaker 1: that I think we're in a weird place with that 1232 01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,400 Speaker 1: kind of mentality right now though, because you know, the 1233 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,960 Speaker 1: hunting industry in general sold us this idea that you 1234 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:30,880 Speaker 1: should be super cautious because that was coming from people 1235 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,680 Speaker 1: who could afford to wait, they didn't have they didn't 1236 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,640 Speaker 1: have any you know, like didn't do him any good 1237 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,240 Speaker 1: to go in on October tenth when nobody was going 1238 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 1: to hunt their deer at all. So like, yeah, if 1239 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,480 Speaker 1: you're preaching that message like well, you shouldn't go in, 1240 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,800 Speaker 1: it's like, well, you shouldn't go in because you don't 1241 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,200 Speaker 1: have to. But if you're hunting a place that's got 1242 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,280 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure, like and you've scouted a lot, 1243 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,440 Speaker 1: like you might as well strike now. And if you 1244 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,080 Speaker 1: don't make it happen, I mean, that's why you win 1245 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,280 Speaker 1: or scout. Now. It's so like when you do blow 1246 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,400 Speaker 1: it up, you just move on to Plan B or 1247 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,440 Speaker 1: C or D or whatever. Yeah, Like I've tagged out 1248 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,120 Speaker 1: like the first move of October and like, well shit, 1249 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,880 Speaker 1: uh what do I do now? It's like, well, Delaware 1250 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,200 Speaker 1: or Pennsylvania here I come, you know, because I can't 1251 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,520 Speaker 1: get another buck tag till you know, the end of October. 1252 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,560 Speaker 1: You know. But it's like it's cool to tag out early. 1253 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,280 Speaker 1: But at the same time we're like it's over, Like 1254 01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to for you over, Like I want 1255 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:20,880 Speaker 1: to struggle a little bit more, you know. And so 1256 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,959 Speaker 1: it's like it's a it's a rewarding part of hunting, 1257 01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,480 Speaker 1: you know. And I've I think it was Andre or 1258 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,560 Speaker 1: or maybe Dan that talked about it's not being you know, 1259 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,080 Speaker 1: you're not being careless or aggressive. You know, you're being 1260 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,240 Speaker 1: calculated and you're set up. You're not just like throwing 1261 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,640 Speaker 1: your cautions to wind, like you know where he's betted 1262 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,480 Speaker 1: and you're gonna come in, you know, and the wind's 1263 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,880 Speaker 1: gonna be perfect for him, awful for you. You're like, 1264 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,440 Speaker 1: you're you're, you're that razor's edge and you're going like, 1265 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,680 Speaker 1: but it's not aggressive, it's just it's very You're it's 1266 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,440 Speaker 1: very tactical and very thought out because that's the only 1267 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,480 Speaker 1: time you're gonna get a chance to that dear, you know, 1268 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:05,000 Speaker 1: because it's you know, once October Halloween hits that bus, 1269 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, berserker moode running here or there everywhere. So 1270 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,720 Speaker 1: I love that October. I love scouting for October, you know, 1271 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,320 Speaker 1: And like I think most of my winner scouting is 1272 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,920 Speaker 1: for those October moments, and it's just like when you're 1273 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,440 Speaker 1: focusing on rubs when you're winner scouting. Now, I mean, 1274 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,880 Speaker 1: I think there's a I think there's sort of a 1275 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,120 Speaker 1: misconception if you go and just find a place, like 1276 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,560 Speaker 1: you were talking about, this is just ripped up, and 1277 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:33,040 Speaker 1: you're like, man, they were here, this wasn't just one buck, 1278 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,520 Speaker 1: this was and they're good ones. I think people go out, 1279 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, in February, March whatever, and they see that 1280 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,600 Speaker 1: and they go, man, I'm getting here on November third, 1281 01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,720 Speaker 1: and I'm sitting all day and I look at that, 1282 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,120 Speaker 1: and I go, why don't you get there on like 1283 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,360 Speaker 1: October twentieth, yes, and kill them. And it could be 1284 01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,880 Speaker 1: because of that that wild card of when the ruts, 1285 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, even really the pre ruts like kicking in 1286 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,840 Speaker 1: that concentration assign might not really matter that much that 1287 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,720 Speaker 1: you've found in March. That's funny you said October twentieth, 1288 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:09,080 Speaker 1: That is my day. I've killed five or six bucks 1289 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:14,200 Speaker 1: in October twentieth, and that is the troll camera data 1290 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,120 Speaker 1: in my visious like that is the day to be 1291 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,360 Speaker 1: in the woods eighteen to twenty. First, it's a lot 1292 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,080 Speaker 1: of day walk and a lot of big bucks are 1293 01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,920 Speaker 1: on their feet. Maybe they're just checking the scene out, 1294 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,400 Speaker 1: see where the food is, the does are, the human 1295 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,720 Speaker 1: pressure is, and they go back and hiding. Maybe they 1296 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,960 Speaker 1: get lucky find the hot dough, you know. But I 1297 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,200 Speaker 1: think they get up and that urge to breathe and 1298 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,240 Speaker 1: they know what's going on. They had They can't be 1299 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,880 Speaker 1: super secretive, you know, they have to, you know, because 1300 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,520 Speaker 1: I think older bucks want to breathe one one or 1301 01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,080 Speaker 1: two times, maybe three times, and they're good. That's enough 1302 01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,720 Speaker 1: for them because they've been through enough seasons where it's survival. 1303 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,440 Speaker 1: You know, they've been shot it, they've been hit, maybe wounded. 1304 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,440 Speaker 1: They're not going to run, you know, like a two 1305 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,280 Speaker 1: year old all over the wood chasing one or two 1306 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,080 Speaker 1: and some of these boxes want to retreat back to 1307 01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,960 Speaker 1: safety security, you know. I I think that that's like, 1308 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a really good thing to acknowledge because 1309 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,280 Speaker 1: when you look at how often we kind of talk 1310 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,840 Speaker 1: about this stuff, I think people don't associate. They just think, Okay, 1311 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna winter scout and it's going to be it's 1312 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,160 Speaker 1: just a general plus the general benefit for me in 1313 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,920 Speaker 1: the fall, It's like I don't know. I mean, finding 1314 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,080 Speaker 1: rubs a concentration of rubs right now in the woods 1315 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,360 Speaker 1: probably doesn't do you that much good on opening night 1316 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,400 Speaker 1: next year. Maybe not for the first opening week because 1317 01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,320 Speaker 1: of all the people who might be out there or whatever. 1318 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,040 Speaker 1: But when those deer get into that, like, Okay, I 1319 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,960 Speaker 1: know I'm getting hunted. I know I still want to 1320 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,760 Speaker 1: do my thing, but like you're talking with those bucks, 1321 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be running all over the place. I'm 1322 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,800 Speaker 1: not showing myself in daylight out in the fields. That's 1323 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,600 Speaker 1: the connection here, Like there's like a March to October 1324 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,120 Speaker 1: connection that's like so beneficial. And I think people kind 1325 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,640 Speaker 1: of just like they don't understand that it's not just 1326 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,440 Speaker 1: a general seasonal benefit. It's just like maybe maybe three weeks, 1327 01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:01,000 Speaker 1: maybe four weeks, but it's real important. Yeah, And and 1328 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,680 Speaker 1: scout with the purpose. You know, if you if your 1329 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,560 Speaker 1: vacation is November, you go in to Iowa, you know, 1330 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,320 Speaker 1: and if you get a chance to scout II or whatever, 1331 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,720 Speaker 1: it's like I'm gonna take a week off in November. 1332 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,400 Speaker 1: Rubs should not be on your list. You should be 1333 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,240 Speaker 1: mark them. It's cool you found them, but you should 1334 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,880 Speaker 1: be focused on is those rubs and your dough betting, 1335 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, and vice versus. So I like said, I 1336 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,160 Speaker 1: purposely most of my scouting is for October, you know. 1337 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,040 Speaker 1: I it's just you know, and I think the reason 1338 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: for that. When I first started hunting, you had to 1339 01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,600 Speaker 1: apply for a permit to hunt in November, Well you 1340 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,400 Speaker 1: weren't guaranteed a permit. Well, I think my first two 1341 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,080 Speaker 1: or three seasons I didn't get in November. My dad did, 1342 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,440 Speaker 1: so I just had October and I had to wait 1343 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,960 Speaker 1: till gun season a week in December, and then nothing 1344 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,560 Speaker 1: until January. So it kind of there are a few 1345 01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:49,200 Speaker 1: years not pulling tags, you know, getting a permit, you got, 1346 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,680 Speaker 1: I got four weeks to kill something. So it's like 1347 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,080 Speaker 1: you're getting that mode where it's like this is it. 1348 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,200 Speaker 1: I have to make these three or four weeks count, 1349 01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,880 Speaker 1: and it's just like it's just kind of compounded through 1350 01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,439 Speaker 1: years over that, you know, and then as you get older, 1351 01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,520 Speaker 1: jobs like I couldn't know vacation time, so it's like, well, 1352 01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,439 Speaker 1: come November, it's dark by time we go for work, 1353 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,360 Speaker 1: but not in October. So it's like I kind of 1354 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,840 Speaker 1: just did the October thing because that's what I had. 1355 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,400 Speaker 1: So it's like I'm the worst rut hunter anybody to 1356 01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,200 Speaker 1: tell you. Thought to Clint Johnny go like I've already 1357 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,520 Speaker 1: killed maybe what three bucks in November, maybe four. I'm 1358 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,120 Speaker 1: October guy, So it's like scout for October. I'm the 1359 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,440 Speaker 1: same way. I mean, I've killed some bucks in November, 1360 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,560 Speaker 1: but I'm way way more successful in September and October. 1361 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,080 Speaker 1: And I mean I should say this. You know, if 1362 01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,480 Speaker 1: you if you get out there scouting right now, it's 1363 01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,400 Speaker 1: not like there isn't a rut benefit to it. I 1364 01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,520 Speaker 1: mean you might find a pinch point or a fence 1365 01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,720 Speaker 1: crossing or something like a river crossing whatever. You might 1366 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,400 Speaker 1: find a train trap where you're like, yep, this is 1367 01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,560 Speaker 1: a November seventh spot, but like you got to know 1368 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,960 Speaker 1: what you're looking at, right, Like that concentration of rubs 1369 01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:54,400 Speaker 1: might not be the November seventh spot. Understanding that and understand. 1370 01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,760 Speaker 1: But again, two more miles you put on and you 1371 01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,200 Speaker 1: find that stuff. The more you have those options as 1372 01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,440 Speaker 1: your season rests, and it's it's such an advantage. And 1373 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,600 Speaker 1: I remember, either you're reading or hearing like Andy may 1374 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,040 Speaker 1: talk about that those rubs, and those rubs pop up 1375 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,360 Speaker 1: there as a certain time of year. You know, these 1376 01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,080 Speaker 1: rubs gonna get hot, you know, and if you have 1377 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,440 Speaker 1: a quick access you can check out him like that 1378 01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,320 Speaker 1: bucks in there for only three or four days, you know, 1379 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,000 Speaker 1: and that's when those rubs are kind of they're hopping off. 1380 01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,639 Speaker 1: So you need to be there when it happens. Maybe 1381 01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,720 Speaker 1: it's the twentieth of October, you know, maybe it's the 1382 01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,720 Speaker 1: twenty sixth of October. You know, but you have to 1383 01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,760 Speaker 1: get out and check those big rub spots and be 1384 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,840 Speaker 1: ready to hunt when you're out there, because sometimes you 1385 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,280 Speaker 1: can't see it from the road, like you got to 1386 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,040 Speaker 1: be in there so they are right, I'm gonna go 1387 01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,479 Speaker 1: hunt this and hopefully they're there. If not, there are 1388 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,000 Speaker 1: given a three day come back in three days, you know, 1389 01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,360 Speaker 1: and you try to play that. You know that three 1390 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:48,200 Speaker 1: day I do believe three day windows is key because 1391 01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:49,840 Speaker 1: that box will be here for a few days and 1392 01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:51,920 Speaker 1: he's gone for a few days and come back for 1393 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,000 Speaker 1: a few days and there's on a cycle, you know, 1394 01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,320 Speaker 1: like hunting the Big Wood Mountain books. This is a 1395 01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,439 Speaker 1: constant cycle here in Jersey is to say, smaller cycle 1396 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,720 Speaker 1: because they don't have the ability to roam as far yep. 1397 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,040 Speaker 1: I mean I think you know when you when you 1398 01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:07,800 Speaker 1: talk about Andy and he's talking about that, like you 1399 01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,200 Speaker 1: got that window there, you know it might be a 1400 01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,519 Speaker 1: couple of days here, or you know you're talking about 1401 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,439 Speaker 1: hunting in mid October when other people aren't. I think, 1402 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,840 Speaker 1: like maybe the most important lesson there from guys like 1403 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,400 Speaker 1: you and Andy is you you have to go out 1404 01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,479 Speaker 1: and learn when your stuff's gonna be good or when 1405 01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,760 Speaker 1: when it could potentially be good. Like if you're if 1406 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,280 Speaker 1: you're listening to a whole bunch of people in the 1407 01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,000 Speaker 1: hunting industry and they're telling you you gotta do this, 1408 01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,519 Speaker 1: you gotta do that, and this is the best time 1409 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,840 Speaker 1: there's there might be some good stuff in there right 1410 01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,040 Speaker 1: Like there might be, but like your specific spot and 1411 01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:42,080 Speaker 1: all of these little variables a factor in there, Like okay, 1412 01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,160 Speaker 1: well you're in Jersey, there's a you know, people can 1413 01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,240 Speaker 1: shoot five bucks, people can bait, people can do this, 1414 01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,479 Speaker 1: people can do that, people can cross bo hunt. It's like, okay, 1415 01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,920 Speaker 1: you filter all that stuff down to there. Now, what 1416 01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,240 Speaker 1: do you have to do to be successful? Got to 1417 01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,960 Speaker 1: scout a lot. You gotta find new spots a lot, 1418 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,719 Speaker 1: Like you got to you gotta put in the work, 1419 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,840 Speaker 1: and you could follow all the advice from a bunch 1420 01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,160 Speaker 1: of hunting industry people and it wouldn't do any good 1421 01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,280 Speaker 1: because your situation does not mirror there's in any way. 1422 01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,160 Speaker 1: And you know, like I had a conversation this morning, 1423 01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,040 Speaker 1: Janis and I are both applying to Iowa together. He 1424 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:14,880 Speaker 1: wants to come out and hunt Iowa and we have 1425 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,720 Speaker 1: enough points to maybe draw, and he's like, well, we 1426 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,560 Speaker 1: got to do this in November, right, And I was like, 1427 01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,479 Speaker 1: I'm going in October. And he's like, well, that's the 1428 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,640 Speaker 1: best option for me travel wise, But he's like like, 1429 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:26,960 Speaker 1: how do you think it's gonna be. I'm like, it's 1430 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,920 Speaker 1: gonna be freaking amazing, Like, yeah, we're gonna We're gonna 1431 01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,040 Speaker 1: be all over deer, and we're gonna be there before 1432 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,000 Speaker 1: because we're gonna be hunting public land if we draw. 1433 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,400 Speaker 1: And I'm like, even though it's Iowa, I know on 1434 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,559 Speaker 1: November one, there'll be the most people in the woods 1435 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,800 Speaker 1: that there will be all season long, for the next 1436 01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,200 Speaker 1: fourteen days. I want to get in there ahead of that. 1437 01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,000 Speaker 1: When those bucks are starting to move a little bit 1438 01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,600 Speaker 1: and they're laying down sign and everybody else is like 1439 01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,560 Speaker 1: I'm waiting two more weeks or a week and a 1440 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,800 Speaker 1: half to kill them. I can't freaking wait. Yeah, that's 1441 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,360 Speaker 1: a he said. You gotta know you're like your strengths, 1442 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, like some people are better November hunters, like 1443 01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,880 Speaker 1: I don't. I can see those like I don't hunt dose. 1444 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,720 Speaker 1: So it's like come November, like I have a hard 1445 01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,320 Speaker 1: time shifting to dough mode because September October it's like, 1446 01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,600 Speaker 1: especially October it's bucks only. Like I always say, if 1447 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,200 Speaker 1: you're seeing four or five pointers, six pointers, you ain't 1448 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,439 Speaker 1: seeing the big Buck because he's completely separate from all those. 1449 01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,960 Speaker 1: If you're seeing a bunch of doze in October, it's 1450 01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,360 Speaker 1: already not seeing a Buck. So it's like I getting 1451 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,360 Speaker 1: so buck mode, and then like the ruck comes, It's 1452 01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,799 Speaker 1: like I can't turn it off. It's a very hard switch. 1453 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,960 Speaker 1: And it's like these last couple of years, I've gotten 1454 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,559 Speaker 1: better at it, but I had those a ten year 1455 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,280 Speaker 1: stretch anything. I drew my bow back in November and 1456 01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:44,080 Speaker 1: it was like because I was strictly like so buck obsessed, 1457 01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,479 Speaker 1: like I forgot It's like, oh, it's the run and 1458 01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,080 Speaker 1: all my butters are drunk, hungover, or just driving down 1459 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:51,400 Speaker 1: the road and see a buck chase and Devin go 1460 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,760 Speaker 1: kill it. I'm getting up early, I'm taking canoe with 1461 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,760 Speaker 1: or you know, or taking a long way around and 1462 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,640 Speaker 1: just getting my buck kicked because I didn't know how 1463 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,719 Speaker 1: to how I understood how November worked, but I couldn't 1464 01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,559 Speaker 1: get out of my own way with it, so fixated 1465 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,200 Speaker 1: on sure bump beds and rubs. And it's like, so 1466 01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,559 Speaker 1: you need to know how your brain works and use 1467 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,920 Speaker 1: that to your advantage, Like, don't necessarily play of your 1468 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,320 Speaker 1: your weaknesses, Like if you're November guy, to go all 1469 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,360 Speaker 1: in November man, like you get it. If you're September guy, 1470 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,040 Speaker 1: got the food sources, go all in play of your 1471 01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:28,080 Speaker 1: strengths when when you're scouting. But I do think, you know, 1472 01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,400 Speaker 1: because I'm not you know, I haven't talked about this 1473 01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,559 Speaker 1: a ton, but you know, I live in Minnesota. Our 1474 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,960 Speaker 1: our gun season starts the first Saturday in November everyear, 1475 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,120 Speaker 1: so I think this year it's like November fourth or fifth, 1476 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,759 Speaker 1: So you know, you got half a million gun hunters 1477 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,040 Speaker 1: out there and the ruts just barely cranking. And so 1478 01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,920 Speaker 1: I was always September in October because by you know, 1479 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,360 Speaker 1: I never had a rut hunt to count on and 1480 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,400 Speaker 1: I found you know, people say, well, hunt the doe 1481 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,080 Speaker 1: betting areas, hunt down windo those but dobetting areas whatever 1482 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,160 Speaker 1: for me to get over that rut hump, because like 1483 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,519 Speaker 1: people like, oh, it's it's the best time. It's like 1484 01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:02,840 Speaker 1: always going to be the best, and then you go 1485 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:04,360 Speaker 1: and actually hunt it, and a lot of times it 1486 01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,559 Speaker 1: really sucks, especially on public land. It's like not nearly 1487 01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,280 Speaker 1: as good as it's supposed to be. I think it's 1488 01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:14,040 Speaker 1: a matter of being like good enough scouting to find 1489 01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,160 Speaker 1: some train traps you believe in, and then having the 1490 01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,400 Speaker 1: willingness to be bored off your ass and disappointed and 1491 01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,240 Speaker 1: sit them and at least give every you know, give 1492 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,360 Speaker 1: a couple of them real dark to dark sits if 1493 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,920 Speaker 1: the wind is working for you. And just because I've 1494 01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,639 Speaker 1: noticed this, like some of the bigger bucks I've killed 1495 01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,960 Speaker 1: in the rut, they might be like the only deer 1496 01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,040 Speaker 1: I see that day, or I might see like two 1497 01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,880 Speaker 1: deer or three deer, but the right one comes along. 1498 01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,519 Speaker 1: But you might have eight hours where you don't see 1499 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,760 Speaker 1: a deer or two days. Yeah, and it's that's tough, man. 1500 01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,240 Speaker 1: I firm believe in that. When I see a lot 1501 01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,160 Speaker 1: of deer in November daybreak up, I've seen a bunch 1502 01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,519 Speaker 1: of doze. It's always little bucks behind and then come eleven, 1503 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,120 Speaker 1: between eleven and two, there'll be a singular box that 1504 01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,519 Speaker 1: rolls through. Like very rarely, especially in November, I don't 1505 01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,679 Speaker 1: have much luck seeing big bucks early in the morning. 1506 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,160 Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a rarity, you know. It's unless 1507 01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,040 Speaker 1: they're with a dough Like I don't get that chasing 1508 01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,759 Speaker 1: or that, you know, that what everybody wants. I rarely 1509 01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,240 Speaker 1: get that. I get that eleven to two, eleven to three, 1510 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,920 Speaker 1: that single buck coming through and nose to the ground, 1511 01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,800 Speaker 1: and it's a tough I mean I was at full 1512 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,559 Speaker 1: draw four times this year and no shots because it's thick, 1513 01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's like everything by scouting all that stuff words, 1514 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,400 Speaker 1: but that buck was just moving too fast, too thick, 1515 01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,519 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I got a bell, I don't 1516 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,800 Speaker 1: have a gun, you know. So it's like it's there 1517 01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,679 Speaker 1: like twenty yards and under and they're walking because well 1518 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm not shooting through, yo, It's take a bush out 1519 01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,840 Speaker 1: of walking deer. Yeah, I've been down that road before. 1520 01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,479 Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't pay well. Not a good idea. Yeah, 1521 01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:55,040 Speaker 1: I have the same experience with bucks at ten eleven twelve, 1522 01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,840 Speaker 1: like early in the afternoon, where you'll see the first 1523 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,240 Speaker 1: deer and he's cruising through and you're like, you know, 1524 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,960 Speaker 1: it reminds me of a bow hunt turkeys a lot, 1525 01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,360 Speaker 1: and you know, if you're out there early season. You 1526 01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,599 Speaker 1: know here in minnesota'll be mid April when it opens, 1527 01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, Nebraska be early or whatever. But when you 1528 01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,439 Speaker 1: get them like flocked up, they're all roosting together, they're 1529 01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,920 Speaker 1: all feeding together. You know, yeah, you have a million gobbles, 1530 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,479 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, you're not calling them away. And then like 1531 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,720 Speaker 1: ten o'clock eleven o'clock, they start cruising and you'll pick 1532 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,599 Speaker 1: that bird up, that two year old or three year old. 1533 01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,160 Speaker 1: It's like, I just I gotta go looking. It feels 1534 01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,080 Speaker 1: exactly like a lot of rut hunts where you're like, yeah, 1535 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,080 Speaker 1: there might have been a bunch of action right away, 1536 01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,000 Speaker 1: but like you said, a lot of times, it's not 1537 01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,160 Speaker 1: that one forty. It's like scrappers and doughs. And then 1538 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,280 Speaker 1: you get that die off and then you're like, oh, man, 1539 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,479 Speaker 1: like this I haven't seen anything in three hours, and 1540 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,120 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you see them coming. You're like, 1541 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,760 Speaker 1: there's something to it, Like they got they got sick 1542 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,640 Speaker 1: of the doughs they were with, or they gave up 1543 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,200 Speaker 1: on it, and now they're like, I gotta go find 1544 01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,639 Speaker 1: I gotta go to that next concentration, and that's when 1545 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:59,360 Speaker 1: you kill them. Yeah, it's I think you similarities between 1546 01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:03,360 Speaker 1: fishing and hunting and turkey hunting and hunting different things. 1547 01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,640 Speaker 1: I think there is a common core, you know, a 1548 01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,479 Speaker 1: thread between all of them. You know, like I hunt 1549 01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,000 Speaker 1: I fished these fisher stripers a lot in Kate May, 1550 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,680 Speaker 1: and you hunt the rips and you hunt points, and 1551 01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,479 Speaker 1: these big fish are down low even though you had 1552 01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,280 Speaker 1: a big tail and the super strong swimmers they're using, 1553 01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, the terrain to their advantage to you know, 1554 01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,080 Speaker 1: everything comes to them, you know. And then it's like 1555 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,479 Speaker 1: trout fishing. You watch a big trout sitting behind the rock. 1556 01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,040 Speaker 1: He's in that position, you know, because it's advantageous to 1557 01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,280 Speaker 1: him to be in that position. I can eat easily. 1558 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,160 Speaker 1: You know. It's like hunting turkeys and deer. It's like 1559 01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,000 Speaker 1: it's very similar. If you're good at one. You can 1560 01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,840 Speaker 1: be good at a lot of different forms of hunting 1561 01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,479 Speaker 1: it or fishing. Dude, I talk about that. I write 1562 01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:48,320 Speaker 1: about that all time. I don't know if anybody believes 1563 01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:53,200 Speaker 1: me or not, but I think any time you spend 1564 01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,360 Speaker 1: out there hunting and fishing, you're learning how to be 1565 01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:00,840 Speaker 1: a better hunter or fisherman. Like I mean, the parallels there, 1566 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the things that I learned about deer from 1567 01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,360 Speaker 1: pheasant hunting public land are amazing. Like it's it's like 1568 01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,360 Speaker 1: a weird little education every time you go, and it's 1569 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,800 Speaker 1: just because you're out there with them, and it's you know, 1570 01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,000 Speaker 1: it's just there's so many like I learned how to 1571 01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,599 Speaker 1: hunt mountains and the terrain how deer you used terrain 1572 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,280 Speaker 1: from hunting fishing streams, small mouth streams and hunting big reservoirs, 1573 01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,760 Speaker 1: and the points where the big bass to hide and 1574 01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,280 Speaker 1: they go up, you know, up and down, you know 1575 01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,760 Speaker 1: these points. I learned how to hunt the mountains. I 1576 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,679 Speaker 1: learned how to hunt mountains and have success pretty quickly, 1577 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,559 Speaker 1: you know. And I'm three hours away from the near 1578 01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,720 Speaker 1: set of mountains. So it's like I went up there 1579 01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, it's just like fishing. You know 1580 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,880 Speaker 1: what it's like, there's the correlations is identical, and it's 1581 01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,320 Speaker 1: like it's just mountain hunting clicked for me. It was 1582 01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,439 Speaker 1: like I find it relatively easy, you know, because deer 1583 01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,640 Speaker 1: can only travel so many ways in the mountains, you know. 1584 01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,920 Speaker 1: And I got that from fishing years of fishing. I 1585 01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,360 Speaker 1: fished every day. So when you're fishing, you know, if 1586 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,599 Speaker 1: you're really a good fisherman, you're learning watch what water does, 1587 01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,639 Speaker 1: what insects do, like how pressure human pressure changes, fish 1588 01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,799 Speaker 1: changes the bike. You know, when it's clear length, heavy pressure, 1589 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,320 Speaker 1: fish go deep. There's heavy pressure. With deer or human 1590 01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,639 Speaker 1: sport of deer you go, they usually go deep. There's 1591 01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,639 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, a lot of similarities between 1592 01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,439 Speaker 1: the two. Yeah. I was literally talking to my daughters 1593 01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,400 Speaker 1: about this when we're having breakfast the other morning, and 1594 01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't remember how it came up, but you know, 1595 01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,639 Speaker 1: we fish all the freaking time. We love to fish 1596 01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,120 Speaker 1: Smally's and they like to hunt with me, and we 1597 01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,599 Speaker 1: were talking about just like why we like doing stuff 1598 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,000 Speaker 1: in the outdoors, and I think it came up because 1599 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,960 Speaker 1: we were talking about training dogs. But anyway, I really 1600 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,240 Speaker 1: think one of the ways that that makes you like 1601 01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,240 Speaker 1: if you if somebody's listening to this and they just 1602 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:49,960 Speaker 1: started deer hunting in they're like, there's no way if 1603 01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,439 Speaker 1: I fish smallis I'm going to get better at deer hunting. 1604 01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,400 Speaker 1: But you've got to think about what are you doing 1605 01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,680 Speaker 1: when you're fishing smallies or you're trout fishing, you know, 1606 01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,760 Speaker 1: fly fish and trout. You're just solving a problem, right, 1607 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,479 Speaker 1: Like you're taking a set of conditions that were handed 1608 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,760 Speaker 1: to you. Okay, the water's high, it's this color, it's 1609 01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,280 Speaker 1: May fifteenth. You know they should be on beds, but 1610 01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,240 Speaker 1: maybe they're not or whatever. And you start breaking it down, 1611 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,439 Speaker 1: you go, okay, where should they be? You know, is 1612 01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,920 Speaker 1: it a Saturday at two o'clock and they've already been 1613 01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, thrown to five thousand times? Or is it 1614 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,840 Speaker 1: a Tuesday morning? Is it July and there's a cold front, 1615 01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:23,680 Speaker 1: or is it you know what I mean? Like you 1616 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,160 Speaker 1: start to factor in that stuff and it's like, okay, 1617 01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:29,080 Speaker 1: now you just you're you're literally reading the weather and 1618 01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,920 Speaker 1: the quarry and the conditions and the pressure and everything, 1619 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,840 Speaker 1: and you're going, okay, what's my best chance? How is 1620 01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:36,800 Speaker 1: that any different than when you walk into public land? 1621 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,280 Speaker 1: You're like, I gotta kill a deer. Like, what are 1622 01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,639 Speaker 1: you filtering through your brain right there? Okay, well it's cloudy, 1623 01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,120 Speaker 1: it's been cold for four days. It's Wednesday morning, it's 1624 01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,479 Speaker 1: not Saturday night. Like there's you know what I mean. 1625 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,280 Speaker 1: It's like I think that you just partially get better 1626 01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:54,920 Speaker 1: because you're getting good at solving those problems. Yes, I agree, 1627 01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,439 Speaker 1: I'd be one, and I think that's why. I don't know. 1628 01:19:58,560 --> 01:19:59,960 Speaker 1: I just think there's a lot of benefits to get 1629 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,920 Speaker 1: out there and doing a bunch of different stuff. We 1630 01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:03,960 Speaker 1: were about done here, buddy, I got to ask you, 1631 01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,400 Speaker 1: do you see I always wrestle with this because you know, 1632 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,479 Speaker 1: they put together all this content on winter scouting, and 1633 01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:13,559 Speaker 1: you know, shed hunting is a little different. A lot 1634 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,360 Speaker 1: of people seem to shed hunt. Now do you ever, like, 1635 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,840 Speaker 1: do you run across people out there winter scouting? Like 1636 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,320 Speaker 1: if you hit a just ball park it? And I say, okay, 1637 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,280 Speaker 1: take any ten bow hunters out in Jersey. What percentage 1638 01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,040 Speaker 1: how many of those dudes winter scout? What would you say? 1639 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,640 Speaker 1: I would say everyone will say they do, but I 1640 01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,479 Speaker 1: rarely see people. And what do you think the real 1641 01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:41,600 Speaker 1: number is? Out of ten? I would say me and 1642 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:45,559 Speaker 1: someone else so too, Yeah, I was gonna see I say, actually, 1643 01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,559 Speaker 1: like most people are pulling their trail cameras. That's where 1644 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,439 Speaker 1: they're scouting ends. They're pulling the cameras. Like I'm getting 1645 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,599 Speaker 1: habit of leaving cameras out, Like I don't really pull 1646 01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:55,840 Speaker 1: some of my cameras like March because I want to see, 1647 01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,040 Speaker 1: like I'll go put new batteries and check for people. 1648 01:20:58,240 --> 01:20:59,800 Speaker 1: But I know it was like, oh, this this dude 1649 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:01,720 Speaker 1: is in here like four days a row. He either 1650 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,720 Speaker 1: found the bang or set of sheds. You're trying to 1651 01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,960 Speaker 1: bring his deer out, or he's seen it baked deer 1652 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,080 Speaker 1: and he's trying to find the sheds. So I'm like, well, 1653 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:11,000 Speaker 1: this dude's on something, So all right, maybe I need 1654 01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:12,720 Speaker 1: to go in there and church a little bit more. 1655 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,720 Speaker 1: You know. It's like maybe I didn't get that hear 1656 01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,160 Speaker 1: my camera button. If you catch somebody going until spot 1657 01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,000 Speaker 1: a bunch times, there's a reason they're in there, yep. 1658 01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,040 Speaker 1: Do So you say maybe maybe twenty percent of the people, 1659 01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say maybe twenty percent too, Like I wouldn't 1660 01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,920 Speaker 1: go much higher than that. I kind I kind of 1661 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,320 Speaker 1: look at it like all day sits. Everybody talks about it. 1662 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that many hunters actually do 1663 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,759 Speaker 1: very many all day sits. All day sits a brutal 1664 01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,000 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if this is because I 1665 01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,400 Speaker 1: have kids now or what. I actually don't mind them 1666 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:50,000 Speaker 1: that much. If it's not, if if the conditions aren't horrible. Yeah, 1667 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:54,320 Speaker 1: but like what, so I want to wrap this up then, 1668 01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,519 Speaker 1: so you say we're we're in agreement here on twenty 1669 01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,720 Speaker 1: percent of the people might win or scope. You know, 1670 01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:01,280 Speaker 1: some people are out there shed hunting, like you said, 1671 01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,160 Speaker 1: some people are out there looking for trail cameras. How 1672 01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:09,160 Speaker 1: important is winner scouting to you to your fall success? 1673 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:13,200 Speaker 1: Like one, not important at all. Ten It's my favorite 1674 01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,719 Speaker 1: thing because it always helps me kill big bucks. Ten yeah, ten, 1675 01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:21,040 Speaker 1: eleven and twelve one hundred. If everybody who's listening to this, 1676 01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,439 Speaker 1: maybe the most important thing we covered is just that 1677 01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,040 Speaker 1: right there. Not very many people do this, and guys 1678 01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,960 Speaker 1: who are absolute killers go out and this is the 1679 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,439 Speaker 1: time when they set the stage for those kills. Yes, 1680 01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,200 Speaker 1: I agree, majorly important. Thank you so much for coming on. Man, 1681 01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:39,960 Speaker 1: this has been a blast. I'm definitely gonna get you 1682 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,760 Speaker 1: on again. Oh sweet, I enjoyed it. Thanks Buddy later. 1683 01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,800 Speaker 1: That's it for this week, folks. Be sure to tune 1684 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,120 Speaker 1: in next week for more whitetail goodness. 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