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Speaker 1: just just through it all, we we make sure that

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Speaker 1: um she got signed to us when she was thirteen, right,

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Speaker 1: so at thirteen, you're not really saying much of thirteen

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Speaker 1: But you know, as she came into her twenties, now

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Speaker 1: fireside chat when you're sitting down with friends, and even

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Speaker 1: if I don't know, you're still a friend. And that

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Speaker 1: that skill, that that that liability that you have. It's

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Speaker 1: why I wanted to created the show because there's so

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Speaker 1: much gifted talent like you. You know, you're not in

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Speaker 1: the front, you know, you're not there posting for social

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Speaker 1: media numbers, but you're doing your job and you do

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Speaker 1: have a popularity. It was like I am you know,

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Speaker 1: out of that. But you as a brand, you are

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Speaker 1: a brand. You build brands, but you have to come

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Speaker 1: a brand. Nick McLean, what do you talk about and

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Speaker 1: who is your brand? And what is the purpose and

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Speaker 1: what do you see it going? Because doing covid A

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Speaker 1: teams out there doing charity work, You've always done charity work.

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Speaker 1: to help people. What is the brand and of Jenine McLean. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's a great question. I love it. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: just you know, it's it's it's very very um enlightening

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Speaker 1: and endearing to talk to you. So thank you. But

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Speaker 1: but the brand of Genie McLean is definitely the brand

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Speaker 1: and we can do big things really well. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was I was speaking to someone the other day

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Speaker 1: sometimes people try to trivel trivialize it as being a

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Speaker 1: do that, you can trivialize it if you like, but

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Speaker 1: really look at our resume, look at what we've done,

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Speaker 1: will definitely say that you know, I've carried the torch

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Speaker 1: So so I'm in. I'm in the brand of getting

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Speaker 1: Because I think that, you know, we we need to

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Speaker 1: as these people that have now reached a certain you

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Speaker 1: know level in our lives, we we have to pull

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Speaker 1: others up. We have to be that that person that

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Speaker 1: they can, you know, kind of shadow and speak to

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Speaker 1: and and just kind of guide through through this this journey,

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Speaker 1: especially entertainment music. My god, it is. This is definitely

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Speaker 1: not the easiest, you know, industry to be in at all,

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Speaker 1: not for the faint of heart at all. So we

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Speaker 1: need to be there for young people, right, it is

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Speaker 1: not for the faint of heart that these the ups

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Speaker 1: That's what I'll just say. That's what I'm just saying.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you look at this business, because money

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Speaker 1: And so it can also let you question yourself because

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. This business is really ugly. It is

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Speaker 1: very cutthroat, but in the end, it's the relationships that

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Speaker 1: you always star maker. Okay, she's the president, managing partner

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Speaker 1: so great having you on my show, ja Nie McLean.

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Speaker 1: You know I'm showing that I do also in the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta on w CLK, the number one jazz station in

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Speaker 1: So it's I just it's a lot one hour show

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Speaker 1: but I call it Big Tuesday, and I would love

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Speaker 1: when you have time because you're busy, and I know

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Speaker 1: getting you in this show it's really crazy because I

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Speaker 1: know you can say yes and then the phone call

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Speaker 1: get you on this show is a blessing. But the

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Speaker 1: and well, thank you so much for having me. And yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm down to come to the station when I'm in

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Speaker 1: Atlanta actually be there for one music back, so maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about it then. Okay, please do Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Janie McClean coming on money making conversation. If you want

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that because that's a really um

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Speaker 1: growing population, not only in America but also in the entertainment.

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Speaker 1: In reflects interpretation of freedom, finminism, and identity in the

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Speaker 1: modern world. Canics goal is producing and producing Turning the

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Speaker 1: Tables Robert Robints is to constantly elevate the culture, but

644
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Speaker 1: by creating visually compelling thoughts, provoking content, and they fund

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Speaker 1: and is fun. I'm telling you, I laugh. I sat

646
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: there and uh, we're gonna talk about it, but it

647
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: was really fun just watching stories and watching people have

648
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Speaker 1: honest stories. And Robert Robbins is so brilliant as a host,

649
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Speaker 1: and that's why it comes across in such a dynamic way.

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Speaker 1: Beyond simple entertainment. She wants to always educate the audience

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Speaker 1: with takeaway challenges against this as his quote, she is

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Speaker 1: only show to talk about her new show, which we've

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Speaker 1: been discussing on Disney Plus called Turning the Tables Robert Roberts.

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Speaker 1: But most importantly, we're gonna talk about building her dreams.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome with the money making conversation, Ankle, How are

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Speaker 1: you doing? I am so well, Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having a new verson. This is this is amazing.

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Speaker 1: I'm very honored to be here. Thank you. You know,

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Speaker 1: usually my intros a little bit shorter, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I I saw your They sent me episodes so I

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Speaker 1: can get a preview. And plus I'm also a member.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a subscription to Disney Plus, so

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Speaker 1: they send it to me that way. I got this already,

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Speaker 1: so I went online and I started watching this show.

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Speaker 1: And before I get into the show, because a lot

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Speaker 1: of people may have not watched the show, let you.

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00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: I want you to set up the show and then

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Speaker 1: I can start getting my thoughts, which are all positive

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Speaker 1: by the way, and all very into taining and and

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Speaker 1: it's hosted about the wonderful Robbing Robberts. It's produced a

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Speaker 1: man another they said Lebron got his naming this show

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Speaker 1: as well as a producer. And it was born Maverick Carter.

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Speaker 1: So they're doing things in that world from a producer atandpoint.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about the show and then I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about how you got involved in the show. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the show set up first. Well, yes, please

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Speaker 1: let me begin again by saying, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having me. It's an honor. This is so rad um.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, turning the tables and Robbing Robbert It's is

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Speaker 1: really a it's it's we consider it a talk show, right,

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Speaker 1: but it's a conversation. It's a conversation between iconic women,

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Speaker 1: uh in the all the industries, several industries, you know.

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Speaker 1: So it was like Hollywood and sports, music and these women,

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Speaker 1: you know, they they are all there to have just

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Speaker 1: true conversations with Robbing about, you know, what it is

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00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: to be who they are and what it took to

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Speaker 1: get there, if that makes any sense, right, It makes

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00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: sense because of the fact that when I'm gonna skip

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Speaker 1: to an episode I saw with Billy Jane King, okay,

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Speaker 1: and she's very iconic, and but she's her story had

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Speaker 1: been told so many times that you kind of forget

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Speaker 1: what was her story in the beginning, okay, And so

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Speaker 1: that's why I like when you watch the show, you

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Speaker 1: have very it's very generational. You have young talent on there,

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Speaker 1: and then you have the talent right in the middle,

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Speaker 1: and I said, a little sweet spot probably by forty

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Speaker 1: to fifty, and then you have some talent it's over fifty.

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Speaker 1: And I think that over fifty is really important because

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Speaker 1: that's what I was talking about. Billy Jane King and

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Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis. You learned some things about them, but

701
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Speaker 1: they've been in your face in a positive way so long.

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Speaker 1: You just accept them for the icons that they are.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I enjoyed you're doing that. Now. Was

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Speaker 1: that intentional to make a generational talk about that? That

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Speaker 1: was a big part of it. UM. It was about

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Speaker 1: and thank you for noticing, it was about the intersectionality

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Speaker 1: of women, right, So like beyond this industry and race, UM,

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Speaker 1: there was also you know, uh, generationally you know, so

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Speaker 1: we have the icons in the sense of women who

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Speaker 1: have come before and have set the standard, and then

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Speaker 1: the women who are doing it, and then the ones

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Speaker 1: who are coming up, and the conversations and the dialogue

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Speaker 1: that UM. You know that that requires to build and

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Speaker 1: to grow, UM and and so that you know, what

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Speaker 1: I what I learned in being a part of that

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Speaker 1: project is that there's so much that we can learn

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Speaker 1: from each other intergenerationally. You know, like when you sit

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Speaker 1: and you listen to kids talk, a lot of times

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Speaker 1: people don't account for their wisdom. But I I've I've

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Speaker 1: I've learned in my experience, especially with this show, that

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Speaker 1: there's so much that you can get from younger generations

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Speaker 1: and UM, then there's so much obviously that they can

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Speaker 1: take from people who have come before them, who have

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Speaker 1: set the standard. UM. And so it was a really

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Speaker 1: beautiful you know, to watch that all come together was

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Speaker 1: really beautiful. And to be somebody who you know, facilitated

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Speaker 1: that I'm very honored. Well you should be because of

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Speaker 1: the fact that you learned and I learned stuff in

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00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: my always tell people I wake up ignorant. That way

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Speaker 1: I can accept information when it's given to me. I

731
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: like fighting. I go, okay, I'm not that smart. Vers

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Speaker 1: So listen to people when they talk to you. And

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Speaker 1: some people tell me Rich you don't listen to anybody,

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Speaker 1: but I do. I really do listen to people. And

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Speaker 1: so when I went with one of the iconic moments,

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Speaker 1: I thought on the shows and the episode with Debbie

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Speaker 1: Allen when the younger generation person told her repeated a

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Speaker 1: quote from her, and it really called Debbie Allen off

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Speaker 1: guard because she was like, because you know, you know

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Speaker 1: Dee a lot. You know, she's talking about as fun

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Speaker 1: to talking about her. I didn't know she tried to sing,

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Speaker 1: you know. But these are the little stories that pop

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Speaker 1: out about these artists that make this such a compelling

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00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: talk series as a conversational series. Let me not let

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Speaker 1: me not steer from what you said there, there's a

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Speaker 1: conversational series. And that really was a was a moving

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Speaker 1: moment for me as a as a viewer, and also

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Speaker 1: I felt I felt off air, you know, because I'm

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Speaker 1: sure some of the conversations extend in the breaks they

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Speaker 1: had to catch up. Debbie, I love guard To in

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Speaker 1: a positive way, you know it. I think it did.

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Speaker 1: You know, you just see it in her reaction, right,

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Speaker 1: and she was just like you know, and Sophia Carson,

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Speaker 1: you know, she is one of those young pop stars

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Speaker 1: coming up now. She acts, she dances, she sings, and

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Speaker 1: Bebbie Allen was literally like a guiding light and her

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Speaker 1: mom before her, like here is someone you can learn

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Speaker 1: from and you know, and to be able again to

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00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: to to have those moments. That's what I love the

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Speaker 1: most about the series, that we had these moments of

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Speaker 1: just like complete authenticity and genuine conversation. It wasn't you know.

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Speaker 1: My My role was to bring these women together to

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Speaker 1: facilitate it, and then I just backed away literally like

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Speaker 1: there were barely any There were like no interruptions. They

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Speaker 1: just talked and that was so wonderful because you know,

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Speaker 1: that's how stories come out, right, Like we evolved in conversation.

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00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: You go from one place to another, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Robin is such a wonderful, brilliant host, and you know

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Speaker 1: she guided the ship. But as you can see if

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Speaker 1: you watch, you know she was taken by surprise sometimes too,

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Speaker 1: like some of the questions that she was asked, and

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Speaker 1: and and you know, and she's the one who usually

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Speaker 1: keeps it together, and you know it doesn't flow, and

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Speaker 1: you see there are moments where she's so vulnerable. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm learning vulnerability too. I'm sorry, no, no, no, even

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Speaker 1: duping you because you caught me with a message about

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Speaker 1: her because I was one of the movie moments of

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Speaker 1: the show. She tried to stay on the outside. She

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Speaker 1: tried to stay a host. You know, she's trying to

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Speaker 1: start the person who kind of like the traffic cops.

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Speaker 1: She wanted to everybody to get their stories out. But

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Speaker 1: then they would come back to her periodically, or some

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Speaker 1: of the guests would ask her a question, honest question

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Speaker 1: that she had to think about and respond to, because

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Speaker 1: it's a very honest show. And I thought those walls

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Speaker 1: that you break in conversations are there because you know,

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Speaker 1: what's what happens. And that's why that and that's why

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Speaker 1: I wanted to slow you down and just point out

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Speaker 1: that's what she says conversational because if you go to

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Speaker 1: a talk show, a talk show, the host doesn't get

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Speaker 1: asked questions the question he asked, the question gives a response.

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Speaker 1: The all these reacts to it go to the commercial break.

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Speaker 1: In the conversational style that she's talking about. The host

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Speaker 1: in this case being Robin Roberts is engaged. He has

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Speaker 1: to get honest responses and on his responses giving back

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Speaker 1: to her, and she reacts, which means that the entire

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00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: format allows for us all to become engaged. I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm not feeling like I'm missing out on anything. What

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Speaker 1: would Robin think here? What would Raven Simon think here? What?

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Speaker 1: What does Sheila Eve think here? Because they all participate?

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00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: Am I correct? You are one thousand percent correct? You know?

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00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: And that was that was a directive of the show.

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00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: You know, we all know Robin as this magical, wonderful

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00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: morning you know, uh announced their host of the news, right,

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00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: and but what is a weekend Robin? You know, how

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Speaker 1: does weekend Robin show up? What are the conversations that

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Speaker 1: she has when she's not just the host, but she's

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00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: hosting a conversation? And um, that was that was a

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00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: big part of it, was to really bring down the

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Speaker 1: walls and to allow those conversations to flourish, and you

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Speaker 1: know she it was such a tremendous honor to get

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Speaker 1: that trust from her and to provide a space where

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Speaker 1: she could be vulnerable in that way. That was very

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Speaker 1: important to me. Um And and you know, like for me,

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Speaker 1: it was like, let me create a space where she

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Speaker 1: can work, let me create a s where she is comfortable.

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Speaker 1: And I feel that I accomplished that, so that that

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Speaker 1: that it's a tremendous honor. Well you you accomplish it.

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Speaker 1: You entertained me. You know, it had me laughing at me.

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, like I said, I will be moved

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Speaker 1: to tears now, I'm that type of guy will like

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Speaker 1: look around the hopefully the room is dark, you know,

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00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: as I start blinking my eyes because it's that type

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00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: of series. But Codine, you know your career is tied

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Speaker 1: to this show as a show runner and executive producer.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to her. She's uh, the show running executive

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Speaker 1: producer to turning the Table through Robert Roberts. The series

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Speaker 1: is currently streaming on Disney Plus. That I have a

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Speaker 1: subscription to Disney Plus, so I'm able to watch it.

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Speaker 1: And when watching it, how did you become a part

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Speaker 1: of Yeah. It was an interview process, you know, like,

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Speaker 1: um I, I, uh, you know, I found out about

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00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: this show. I have this one. I have this friend,

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Speaker 1: this very dear friend. Her name is Erica Clark, and

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Speaker 1: she is a g in production in the television world.

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Speaker 1: Like look her up, Eric Clark. She's amazing, and um

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Speaker 1: you know, I call her my very job mother because

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00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: she'll find out about these jobs. And she's like, yo,

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Speaker 1: you gotta interview for this. I'm gonna look up with this,

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00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay. So she connected me with another friend,

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00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: Brie Frank. If you don't know her, look her up

842
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: as well, another black women. These are all black women

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00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: really killing it in the entertainment industry. And Bree actually

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Speaker 1: created who you know, in media for people of color,

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00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: by people of color. It's a community of people and

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Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, we have production television industry people

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00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: and we all connected. It's a Facebook group and the

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00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: post about jobs and all of that. So that's how

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Speaker 1: um I found out about this position actually, And so

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Speaker 1: I went into the interview process, you know, and it

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Speaker 1: was rounds and rounds of many of you, and at

852
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Speaker 1: one point I'm sitting in this exact room and it's

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Speaker 1: Robbin Roberts. And I was just like, cool, cool, be cool,

854
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Speaker 1: you know, and and it was it was really we

855
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Speaker 1: hadn't such a wonderful conversation. And I was just like,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I hope I get this. I kept

857
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Speaker 1: thinking in my head like and then you know, and

858
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Speaker 1: I was just like, I think I did it. I

859
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860
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Speaker 1: here outside the Perez family home, just waiting for the

861
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Speaker 1: and there they go, almost on time. This morning. Mom

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Speaker 1: arm kid carry. Looks like dad has the bags daughter

864
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Speaker 1: he is bringing up the rear. Oh but the diaper

865
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Speaker 1: bag wasn't closed. Diapers and toys are everywhere. Oh but

866
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Speaker 1: mom has just nailed the perfect car seat buckle for

867
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Speaker 1: the toddler. And now the eldest daughter, who looks to

868
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Speaker 1: be about nine or ten, has secured herself and the

869
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Speaker 1: booster seat. Dad's hips of bad clothes and they're off. Ah,

870
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Speaker 1: but looks like Mom doesn't realize your coffee cup is

871
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Speaker 1: still on the roof of the car. And there it goes.

872
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873
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Speaker 1: I've been fortunate to meet us several times. Um, she's

897
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: hosting some adventures that I've attended to. And uh and

898
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: she is even killed. But you get even killed when

899
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: you're person who like I'm a cancer survivor, and so

900
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: when when And I always tell people when somebody tells you,

901
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: if you ever unfortunate, I used the word unfortunate. If

902
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: somebody doctor comes in and tells you you have cancer,

903
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: it changes your life and your perspective. I mean, because

904
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't care what they say about to survival rate.

905
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: All you immediately here is death. All you meeting here

906
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: is okay, why meet? There's there's death, and then there's

907
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: a sympathy that's put in place. And so I can

908
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: relate to her from the standpoint that I may have

909
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: a survivor and guess what, that doesn't mean that cancer

910
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: can't come back, but that doesn't stop me from living.

911
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: So you're you're talking to somebody who operates under that mission.

912
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: So her personality allows you to understand that she's welcoming

913
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: she understands there is a truly finite window for you

914
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: in life because she's been told that when somebody told

915
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: tells you you have cancer and you survived it, but

916
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: you live every day and you appreciate the relationship. And

917
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure she appreciate your relationship here and developing

918
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: this pour part four parts series. So with that being said,

919
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: how did you start booking the talent for each episode

920
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: and and and getting the right combinations? Like I said,

921
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: my favorite episode, I've already told you that Jami Lee

922
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: third is you know, guy and Jeeves pregnant and then

923
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: a Billy Jane King, the iconic Milligiene King. How did

924
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: you start laying all this talent out because you know,

925
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: some of them just just iconic and some all newbies

926
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: but are very finance, so talk about that. You know,

927
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: you ask all the right questions, Jean, like casting was

928
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: it was so critical. It was so critical to the

929
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: show because that was that's where we knew where the

930
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: cont these conversations would come from. Right. So, um, it

931
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: was a constant process. We worked with Central book. Let

932
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: me see TV Central's talent booking. It's a casting and

933
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: you see Joanne Joanna Jordan, she's amazing. She leads that group,

934
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: and um, we would have these power casting meetings, you know,

935
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: and it was just like we would put you know,

936
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, let's see if we can put this one,

937
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: this one, this one together. Okay, oh she's not available. Okay,

938
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: let's put this one, this one, this one together, you know,

939
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: and we just kept going that way and seeing do

940
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: they make sense together? Can we can we tell a story,

941
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: an intergenerational, interconnected story that makes sense, you know, And

942
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: and that's how we built it, and that's how the

943
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: episodes come out. So a lot of times you don't

944
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: think that these people, You're like, why is this us?

945
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: And take Nataro and she least all that was, Oh

946
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: my god, she is so funny. But it made so

947
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: much sense, you know, it made so much sense. It

948
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: was all about being like their best selves and their

949
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: authentic selves and marching to their literally of their own drummers,

950
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: and that they were all fans of each other and

951
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: it never met, you know, so it was it was

952
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: really wonderful in that way to bring them together and

953
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: and and being and and and being able to reveal

954
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: their authentic selves. Um, in order to continue their craft.

955
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Absolutely, because it was like tak Nataro,

956
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: we just brought up Woods. I'm a big fan though

957
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: I would heard her name, you know, appearing on the

958
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: Ellen de Generous Show. And then I called her stand

959
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: up comedy episode when she actually took her top off,

960
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: and uh, I remember my wife was going. She said,

961
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: did she go top off? I said yeah. And they're

962
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: kind of working too. She's kind of working because why

963
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: can't she do that? You know, can't why kids you

964
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: do that? And then she just did her whole set,

965
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: and then and and and it was just it was

966
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: just very entertaining and and we talk about that uniqueness

967
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: and when you watch the show, the conversations that we're

968
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: talking about, turning the tables, Robert Roberts, I'm talking to

969
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: Cadine Ankles, who was the executive producers. The Showrunner's a

970
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: difference that you have a lot of executive producers, but

971
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: you need that showrunner. That is who I am talking to.

972
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: She is the person that makes it all work. So

973
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: I've been executive producer on a lot of shows, but

974
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: I have not been a showrunner on a lot of shows.

975
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: That she gets the upper level of respect on that.

976
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: That's why I gotta let you all know I'm not

977
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna just put the word executive duce and

978
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: just slide past showrunner. Showrunners there for a reason, because

979
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: her resume has generated a level of respect. She understands budget,

980
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: she understands right and she understands the discipline of keeping

981
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: people on time and also the star talent and this kids.

982
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: Robert Roberts has to feel that you can deliver. That

983
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: is a that's the process that you built in your career.

984
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: And I want to talk a little bit about your

985
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: career as we continue this conversation about turning the tables,

986
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: because it was important that, like you said, putting the

987
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: right people together, because I kind of got a feeling that,

988
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: you know, Chila really didn't know you know, Tigg, but

989
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: in the conversation she really started if started evolving and

990
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: h and the same thing with Raymond, it started evolving.

991
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: But each episode I think is a little bit like that.

992
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: You don't want everybody to kind of know each other's story. Otherwise,

993
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: what is the conversation that is exactly it? You know,

994
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: we they they had seeds of connectivity, you know, they

995
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: they we were able to sit down and look at

996
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: their careers and their family lives and you know, their

997
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: goals and objectives and say, oh, we can connect this

998
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: person this way. Oh we can connect that person that way.

999
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: For me as the showrunner, and thank you so much

1000
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: for all your kind words, kind so clattered beyond belief. Honestly,

1001
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: this is like even being on this, I don't normally like,

1002
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't do too many interviews and stuff, so I'm like, oh, wow,

1003
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: all right, this is pretty cool. Um, so thank you,

1004
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: thank you for this. Uh. But you know, it was

1005
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: very important to me as a showrunner to ensure like,

1006
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: how do you know when when you talk to these

1007
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: women the Sheila's Tegnatar, Debbie Allen, right, the same questions

1008
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: often get asked to them, Oh, you're iconic, Oh you're this,

1009
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 1: or you're that, And for me, I'm like, let's strip

1010
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: all of that away. Let's take all of that away,

1011
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: and let's just see them as the women that they are.

1012
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: You know, let's be all be vulnerable, let's all talk

1013
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 1: about the things that we don't normally talk about. Let's

1014
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: take away the artifice and and have be in this

1015
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: beautiful space with these beautiful women, these beautiful people and

1016
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, like just be and I think and I

1017
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: think that so that was my goal and I think

1018
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: that we accomplished that and and and for that, you know,

1019
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: I I give so many things to Disney for allowing

1020
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: me to even do that, right, um, And you know

1021
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: Robin's company Rock and Robin and you know spring Hill,

1022
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: which is Lebron's company me and I mean even being

1023
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: able to say these names. He's come back these brands

1024
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: and like be attached to it somehow. Like I remember

1025
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: looking at the car sheet, um, which is like our

1026
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: schedule for those of you who don't know for the day,

1027
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: and at the top, you know, it has enlists all

1028
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: the people who involved, and like you said, there's many

1029
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: executive producers and at the top it's like Lebron, James,

1030
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: Maverick Carter, and then you keep going down and then

1031
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: there's me. And I was like, that's why I just separated,

1032
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: because all of them have executive abuse of titles, you know.

1033
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: And so but show writer, she is the key now,

1034
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: and I gotta give her love and respect because I

1035
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: know the valued of it. But but let's also back

1036
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Now. She didn't just drop in here.

1037
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: Nobody just a lucky roll of the dice. You know,

1038
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: Project Runway, you know series like to Change, MTV Proposal,

1039
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: skin Wars, you know, most explicit vests. You know and

1040
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: that these are these are series that allows you to

1041
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: create a resume for you to come in there and

1042
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: pitch your talent to everybody. And that's what people don't

1043
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: understand is that nobody there's back up a little bit

1044
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: that's a talent in front of the camera. You can

1045
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: get away with being a novice. You can get away

1046
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: with being being plucked off the street and put in

1047
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: front of a camera and giving your shot. When you

1048
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: behind the camp, nobody picks you off the street to

1049
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: be a showrun You better have resume, You better understand that.

1050
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of jobs on the line

1051
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: when they give that title of showrunner to a person

1052
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: like her. So talk about that process because I wanted

1053
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: to tell people that because, like I said, you can be.

1054
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: You can be and it doesn't happen all the time.

1055
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: But you can't be a comic on the stage and

1056
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: then be giving an acting opportunity, or you can be

1057
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: a model or very attractive lady. You can be getting

1058
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: put in front of the camera to be photos to

1059
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: be taking from of you. But as a showrunner, that

1060
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Speaker 1: cannot happen. No, no, no, I mean I haven't seen it.

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Speaker 1: Come on, come on, come on with you know that

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Speaker 1: can't happen. You know, it's just like that's that'd be

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Speaker 1: a very talented person. No, it takes a lot of work, right,

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Speaker 1: and it's a lot of and it's learning. Like I'm grateful,

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Speaker 1: you know. I remember being younger, younger producer, being like

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Speaker 1: why you know what I felt like stuck in a way,

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Speaker 1: you know, and just being like what am I gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Where am I gonna take this? And I actually, um

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Speaker 1: my cousin David, he is a consultant um with is

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Speaker 1: uh actually he is a partner with Accenture. And he

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Speaker 1: got me an executive coach. He gifted me three months

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Speaker 1: of the executive coaching and he said, what are you

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00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: going to do with this? He's like, you have to

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Speaker 1: figure out what you're doing with yourself. And he was,

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00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: so I'm gifting you this coaching and you know, go

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Speaker 1: see if you can sort out what you want to do.

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Speaker 1: So I got this executive coach. His name is Matt.

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Speaker 1: He is Matmothist. He's amazing. Uh white what is it

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Speaker 1: called White Cloud House? I believe, and uh, it's his company.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he said to me on the first conversation,

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Speaker 1: he said, what do you want to do? And I said,

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Speaker 1: I want to be a showrunner. And the reason that

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Speaker 1: I was able to say that was because at the time,

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00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: I was working on Project Runway and I was a

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Speaker 1: story producer on that show. And I would be in

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Speaker 1: the control room and I would sit behind the showrunner

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Speaker 1: and the direct and the lighting director and the other

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Speaker 1: co executive producers, you know, and and I would watch,

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Speaker 1: right you know, I would say, I called it that

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Speaker 1: I was sitting in the back row and I would

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Speaker 1: just watch and I would watch and I would watch,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I think I can do this.

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Speaker 1: You know, I really did. And Sarah Ray, she was

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Speaker 1: at the time the showrunner of Project Runway, and I

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00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: always say thank God for her because she was such

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00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: a good teacher and she didn't even know it because

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00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: I was just watching her. You know, UM, interrupt for

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Speaker 1: a minute there, because this is a positive interruption. Because

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Speaker 1: because because sometimes when I run into talents like you

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, did they have these natural gifts?

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Speaker 1: And because everybody can't do with Everybody just can't sit

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Speaker 1: behind somebody and figure it out. Okay, Okay, don't stop

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00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: that madness right now. Okay, And and the and the

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Speaker 1: other part of this whole train, because I've I've run

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Speaker 1: shows and I've watched people. That's how you learn. You watch,

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00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 1: you learn, and you ask questions. But when you're giving

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00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: that opportunity to make that decision, you have to have

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Speaker 1: two mindsets. One, I'm capable of making the decision. And

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Speaker 1: if something goes wrong, it doesn't it's not the end

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Speaker 1: of the world. And so that's the part that she's

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Speaker 1: leaving out because so many people are gifted like her,

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Speaker 1: but they cannot understand that life is not perfection, especially

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Speaker 1: when you're dealing with productions. People can come in six

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00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: I heard the actress who cut all our hair off,

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00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, and go who told you to cut your half?

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00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: Oh I felt like doing it that day. Okay, well

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00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't match your series. Okay, So you can't just

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00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: lose your mind about that. And so so when I

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00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: look at a person like you, you've actually just matured

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Speaker 1: through the process. And sometimes when I come when I

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00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: bring talented people like you know, money making comes. I

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00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: call you grinders. I call people like you grinders. It's

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00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: just grinding and and they don't even realize that they're

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Speaker 1: doing things that are so unique, and they're so unique.

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Speaker 1: And then to deliver the product that has allowed me

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00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: to just talk to your body. I have no paper

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00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: in front of me, I have no no, no, no,

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00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: nothing on the problem. I'm just talking to about something

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Speaker 1: that is resonating into my spirit that I saw four

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Speaker 1: episodes of and I'm recalling it because it captivated me,

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00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: It emotionally charged me, and it was all because of

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00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: your direction as a show runner, as a writer, as

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00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: a supervisor, and as a leader. Thank you, Sean. That's

1134
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: a mine drop right there for your career, Like I

1135
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: don't even know. I'm like, you got to you got

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00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: to you your building something here. And sometimes you know,

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00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: when I look at my life and I look and

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00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: I run across young town like you because you're young twn,

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00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: you're younger than me. I always have to remind them

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00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: that the journey of you know, when I was, I was,

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00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: I was talented, I was eighteen twenty, but then I

1142
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: have to realize that I gotta make it the fifty

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00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna be doing. I gotta make the sixty

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00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna be doing. See, once you put that

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00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: in perspective, it allows you to refocus. That's exactly what happened. Literally,

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00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. I was like, am I going

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00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: to be this you know whatever? Age? I don't remember,

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00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: like because I would see the older producers coming in

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Speaker 1: and working on like really young shows and they were

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00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: still producers and there's nothing wrong with that, but I

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00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: was like, is that what I'm gonna be? And I

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00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think that's what I want, you know,

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00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: And and so then I was like, Okay, well what

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00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: would be next? Where what would be the next step?

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00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: And that's where watching my boss in the back row

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00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: started and working with my m my, my uh my

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00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: life coach, my my, my executive coach and then he

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00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: who was still my coach for this day by the way,

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00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: I kept them so, um, you know, I built from

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00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: there and I was like, so I was just like

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00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna do this. And then

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Speaker 1: you know, there's also I believe, you know, I'm a

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Speaker 1: person of states. Um. I believe in in the power

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Speaker 1: of the human spirit. And in our ability to make

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00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: opportunities for ourselves if you you know, in the law

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00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: of attraction, like you just have to like go out

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00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: there and do it. And I put it out there.

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00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: I said I'm gonna be a showrunner. And then a

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Speaker 1: few months later, literally I got a phone call from

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01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: uh Devo, which is uh, you know it's there. They

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01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: put music videos online and they were like, hey, we

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01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: got this election special coming up. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: be the show runner? And I was like, yes, there

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Speaker 1: you go, there you go? You said yes, because that

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01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: it stops me because you go. Have I done that?

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01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: It's like riding a bike, you know? Yeah, I remember,

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Speaker 1: and well I know we're wrapping up the end of

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01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: you here, but you know, I remember I did my

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01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: first production. It was a lot of production. It was

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01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: at then, and I was saying, just as the forum

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01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: and uh, and I've never done I was always like

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01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: you behind the camera. And I did it. And I

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01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: actually had tears in my eyes when I saw the

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01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: opening number in production. I went, what was stopping me.

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01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: Was stopping me is that we are not gifted with

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Speaker 1: these relationships. Whereas a kid, we don't walk on the set,

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01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: so we are engaging in an environment that is not

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Speaker 1: normal to us. What's normal to us is a is

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Speaker 1: a blue collar job. When I talk to people of color,

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Speaker 1: was normal to us working in a bank, you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: just doing anything with our hands. And the few people

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01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: who go to college, we don't see how they work

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Speaker 1: in a white collar environment, and we definitely don't see

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Speaker 1: how they work in an entertainment environment. And so that's

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Speaker 1: what stops us. And so Codine, I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: bring your own money making conversation and tell you I'm

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Speaker 1: a big fan of yours and also let you know,

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Speaker 1: let me show you down and realize the blessings that

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Speaker 1: you are creating. And you know you might have that

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01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: other coach, but no, you've got ras Shan McDonald's your coach.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're you know that. Well, I'm gonna turn

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01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: it on you. You know, you know it's it's such

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01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: an honor to be here, you know, and and to

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Speaker 1: be having this conversation. You did this for you, right,

1205
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: so talk to me about that, Like, where have you

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01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: had that moment yet? I had that. I didn't. I

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01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: didn't um really realize and appreciate my talent until I

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01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: got to my a forties because I was just going

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Speaker 1: through life and uh us in terms like the right

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Speaker 1: place at right time, or I'm lucky, I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: uh you know, I mean you know people, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just know the right people, you know. But in

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Speaker 1: the end, it's amount of work I put in. You know.

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Speaker 1: I tell people I'll get up at fourth third every

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Speaker 1: day during the week. That's a consistent timeline for me.

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Speaker 1: It allows me to be successful because I also tell

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01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: people that I understand the value relationships. I also tell

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01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: people that I understand that what I'm doing in my

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01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: life is not luck. It's talent plus hard work plus consistency.

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Speaker 1: You put those things together. We have who are seeing you,

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Speaker 1: a mirror image of myself who I'm talking to you,

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Speaker 1: just just younger, just a different gender, and successful coming

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01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: your way. And that's why I had to really emphasize

1224
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: to you. Title means something in this business, it needs

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01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: something in life, and so you do not run from that.

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01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: You are a director, you are a writer, you are

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Speaker 1: a showrunner, and you are an executive doucer. You are

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Speaker 1: a creative beast. Don't stop. Thank you. You know you

1229
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: have no idea how much your words means to me.

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Speaker 1: Right now. Really, thank you. I am so grateful, I

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01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: am so honored to be here and so happy that

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Speaker 1: I can call you coach. But I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming on Money Making Conversations. Okay, thank you

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Speaker 1: for having me. Have a beautiful day. Absolutely. If you

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Speaker 1: want to hear or see any of my interviews on

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Speaker 1: money Making Conversations, please go to money Making Conversation dot com.

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Speaker 1: I'm Rashan McDonald. I am your host. You've been listening

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Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversations with Rashan McDonald. Please join us

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Speaker 1: next week and always remember leading with your gifts. Money

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Speaker 1: Making Conversations is a presentation of thirty fifteen Media Incorporated.

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Speaker 1: You are now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute

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Speaker 1: of Inspiration with Rashan McDonald. This week, I sat down

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Speaker 1: with Academy Award winning filmmaker Matthew a Chair five Receiver

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Speaker 1: return filmmaker is here to talk about the importance of

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Speaker 1: not limiting your beliefs on what you can accomplish based

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Speaker 1: on what others think of you. When I was playing ball,

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Speaker 1: um actually came out to l A for the first

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Speaker 1: time and like five and I was lucky enough to

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Speaker 1: the commercial world. And um, basically you know met her,

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Speaker 1: we buy asked her, she would kind of put me

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Speaker 1: to this program and I got in if you want

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