Speaker 1: I'm Tamika D.
Speaker 2: Mallory and it's your boy.
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Speaker 1: What's good, my son, Lennon.
Speaker 2: How you doing today, Tamika D. Mallory.
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, doing well.
Speaker 4: Still out here crisscrossing this country, meeting people, trying to
Speaker 4: deal with misinformation and also just you know, really checking
Speaker 4: the temperature of our people. I think that, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: folks are getting to that point that you know, we
Speaker 4: always see happen as it gets closer to the election.
Speaker 4: A lot of those who were saying we're sitting this
Speaker 4: one out or ain't got time to hear this. We're
Speaker 4: working on trying to pay for the bread, the eggs,
Speaker 4: the cheese, the milk, the gas, and pay the rent
Speaker 4: and election is not that important to us. We're starting
Speaker 4: to see folks getting more engaged and kind of you know,
Speaker 4: coming to the table. So I think that's good. Also
Speaker 4: today we saw an article that was that came out
Speaker 4: talking about black political operatives, vendors, funders who you know,
Speaker 4: want to see more support from the campaign and you know,
Speaker 4: and the Democratic party to help us all of us
Speaker 4: do the work on the ground. And I just thought
Speaker 4: it was quite funny that for some people who will
Speaker 4: write in your comments and mind that we are being
Speaker 4: paid by the Democrats, and then you see an article
Speaker 4: like that come out that really kind of shows that
Speaker 4: many people, many of people, as they say, are waiting
Speaker 4: for resources to come down. I don't think waiting in
Speaker 4: terms of the fact that we're not doing the work,
Speaker 4: because there are certainly other sources of funds to help
Speaker 4: do electoral work. But I'm glad to see that people
Speaker 4: are standing up to say to these old you know,
Speaker 4: old school political party politics and people who are in
Speaker 4: charge to open up the pocketbooks and make sure that
Speaker 4: folks have the ability to you know, to do the
Speaker 4: work that has to happen in the next forty days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very vital, you know. I say this all
Speaker 3: the time. People expect people to work for free, you know,
Speaker 3: and a lot of us we are passionate because we
Speaker 3: understand what's at at stake, So we're doing the work,
Speaker 3: you know, naturally because it's something that we actually believe in.
Speaker 3: But in order to have a real impact, you know,
Speaker 3: you have to be able to have resources. You have
Speaker 3: to be able to be able to fund certain things.
Speaker 3: Understand that, you know, the opposition is making sure that
Speaker 3: they they fund misinformation, right, they are funded misinformation. They're
Speaker 3: doing everything that they possibly can to fund misinformation. And
Speaker 3: this is actually having a told. So if we're not
Speaker 3: we're not going to well not we If the Democratic
Speaker 3: Party doesn't seem fit to fund combat and misinformation, then
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know how they expect to actually
Speaker 3: win a selection, you know, and and they should they
Speaker 3: have if they have all the resources necessary. So we
Speaker 3: talk about, you know, black people not being funded and
Speaker 3: not having the resources to do the work necessary to
Speaker 3: actually win the campaign is disheartening. But you know, I'm
Speaker 3: one of those people that want to be optimistic and
Speaker 3: in these next forty forty one how many days forty
Speaker 3: one forty two days too, forty two days, you know,
Speaker 3: hopefully they hit the ground running and they understand the
Speaker 3: seriousness of what we're dealing with. So that's all we
Speaker 3: can do, you know, and just hope for the best.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think that the resources are starting
Speaker 4: to open up. I mean, one thing I would say
Speaker 4: is that you know, this is a campaign that turned
Speaker 4: quickly in the last two months really hasn't even been
Speaker 4: enough time. Usually, you know, when you have a presidential candidate,
Speaker 4: they're running for a solid year or so even more,
Speaker 4: and that wasn't the case here. So there is some
Speaker 4: of that, but there's also just political operatives who are
Speaker 4: in these campaigns.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people.
Speaker 4: Think that that campaigns work just like your regular job,
Speaker 4: where the boss is sitting there and kind of knows
Speaker 4: about the ins and outs of things that's happening. But
Speaker 4: you know, when you're looking at politicians and even in
Speaker 4: some corporations and some organizations, there are people that go
Speaker 4: out of their way to keep the candidate or the
Speaker 4: principle from knowing all of the details.
Speaker 1: They might give a directive.
Speaker 4: I want to meet with so and so, or I
Speaker 4: want to see such and such thing, and a few
Speaker 4: weeks later, maybe even a few months later, and especially
Speaker 4: when things blow up in their faces, they're like, well,
Speaker 4: what happened and some person made a decision somewhere along
Speaker 4: the line that those people we shouldn't have met with,
Speaker 4: or we shouldn't be meeting with, or this group shouldn't
Speaker 4: be hired, or these people shouldn't be contacted, and sometimes
Speaker 4: it is sabotaged, quite frankly. Sometimes it's incompetence. Other times
Speaker 4: it's it's racism. And there are times when you know,
Speaker 4: it's all about personal friendships, and you know, and and
Speaker 4: and at best it can also be that, you know,
Speaker 4: some of these staffers and others are overwhelmed. But whichever
Speaker 4: of those things it may be, none of it is acceptable.
Speaker 4: And so you know, I know that, you know, I've
Speaker 4: seen many of the black folks connected to well, I
Speaker 4: can't even say that because I saw some black folks
Speaker 4: in the news the article that came out say some
Speaker 4: really dumb stuff, but I you know, I know black
Speaker 4: other black people who are very connected to the campaign
Speaker 4: who have said that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: And Mignon Moore is one of those who was quoted
Speaker 4: in the story, who was just recently the convention chair,
Speaker 4: saying that she knows for sure that Kamala Harris has
Speaker 4: directed the campaign to do more to make sure that
Speaker 4: black grassroots organizations and others have the resources needed to
Speaker 4: get out there, knock on doors and organize.
Speaker 1: And I really kind of think I want to put.
Speaker 4: Out and I literally want to release to the public
Speaker 4: a budget for what it costs to move around the
Speaker 4: country to do the type of work that we do,
Speaker 4: because I think that people don't understand. And I'm not
Speaker 4: talking about folks in the campaign, because clearly they know
Speaker 4: they've done this work. Many of them started at the
Speaker 4: grassroots level, and so they know. Some of them may
Speaker 4: not have started grassroots, but certainly they have had to
Speaker 4: have some relationship with people on the ground, and they
Speaker 4: know they have received, you know, a number of budgets
Speaker 4: and proposals, so they understand it. But just the average
Speaker 4: person who may read an article and say, well, why
Speaker 4: would they be want wanting money? It's like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's crazy, because you know, some people really have no
Speaker 4: clue about what it takes. If you're living in New
Speaker 4: York or you're living in Texas, California, or some where,
Speaker 4: and now you have the responsibility that either you've taken
Speaker 4: on or you've been hired to do, or something you
Speaker 4: want to do to go to another state and be
Speaker 4: there long enough to have to have an impact. You
Speaker 4: need to be able to get there, which costs money.
Speaker 4: You need to be able to stay there, which costs money,
Speaker 4: and you need to be able to eat while you're there,
Speaker 4: and to move around. To travel around, you need a
Speaker 4: first aid kit with you. You know, it might be cold,
Speaker 4: it might be raining cats and dogs one day, and
Speaker 4: you got to go out and be able to buy
Speaker 4: ponchos so you can continue to walk your routes. You
Speaker 4: might need umbrellas, you might need you know, if somebody
Speaker 4: might feel sick and need talent or like, should you
Speaker 4: be going in your pocket to pay for expenses related
Speaker 4: to work that you have to do in order to
Speaker 4: help all of us?
Speaker 3: Ye, especially especially when these campaigns are raising so much
Speaker 3: money and that's what is supposed to be allocated too.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's like you said, there's a lot,
Speaker 3: and I second the notion that you should actually break
Speaker 3: that down so people can have some you know, civics
Speaker 3: one O one. A lot of people just don't know,
Speaker 3: so I don't fault them for not knowing. So that's
Speaker 3: what that's what we're here for. As we learn, we
Speaker 3: need to.
Speaker 4: Teach, absolutely absolutely that's our responsibility. Well, you know, today,
Speaker 4: speaking of learning and teaching, we have invited Reverend Mark
Speaker 4: Thompson to be with us.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: You know, as I'm talking to Mark every day, I
Speaker 4: get the pleasure and you do as well. For all
Speaker 4: of our group chats, but beyond group chats, I speak
Speaker 4: to Mark at least three or four times in each day,
Speaker 4: and I feel, you know, every time I talk to him,
Speaker 4: either I learned something or I debate with him.
Speaker 1: We spa in conversations.
Speaker 4: We go back and forth because I you know, I
Speaker 4: like to say that I learned so much from everybody else,
Speaker 4: but I teach sometimes sometimes I.
Speaker 1: Teach and so uh.
Speaker 4: But but I certainly know that when I'm finished talking
Speaker 4: to Mark each day, I have different thoughts about what
Speaker 4: we have, the information we've got to get out to
Speaker 4: our people, and so uh. You know, he's going to
Speaker 4: be joining us today. I know folks are wondering when
Speaker 4: are we coming back visually. We're coming back soon. We'll
Speaker 4: be back in the studio. The lot of things are
Speaker 4: changing about you know, how we will return with our visuals.
Speaker 4: We are going going for an upgrade. We're going for
Speaker 4: something a different type of experience, and we're excited about
Speaker 4: what's happening in too and with tam I stick with us,
Speaker 4: you know today, please listen, listen closely to the information
Speaker 4: that you're about to get from Reverend Mark Thompson as
Speaker 4: we bring him up, Reverend Mark Thompson from making it plain.
Speaker 1: Our brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's our brother, man. So we're no further ado.
Speaker 3: We're going to bring our brother to the chef.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, our friends are back on with us
Speaker 4: today as we continue to talk about this election and
Speaker 4: really look at all that is happening across the country.
Speaker 4: Is so important that we defeat the misinformation and the
Speaker 4: disinformation that's online, the disinformation that's being shared by even
Speaker 4: people who we consider to be icons. And you know,
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, one of the huge points
Speaker 4: of contention has been this issue around polling and whether
Speaker 4: or not you know. Every time you turn around, you
Speaker 4: see different individuals talking about, you know how or different
Speaker 4: different people who claim to know based upon polls, where
Speaker 4: black people stand, where different communities stand. And I'll tell
Speaker 4: you I have never I may have been pulled one time.
Speaker 4: I think I picked up the phone in my house
Speaker 4: one day and someone was polling me about, you know,
Speaker 4: some issue in New York City. But other than that,
Speaker 4: I've never been polled. I don't know if you've been pulled,
Speaker 4: my son.
Speaker 3: I don't think i've ever. I don't even know what
Speaker 3: it looks like to be polled. So I don't think
Speaker 3: those those entities come to the communities that we actually inhabit,
Speaker 3: So those polls don't really get the full scope, especially
Speaker 3: in our communities, of what's going on. So and I've
Speaker 3: seen those polls fail, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: watch I literally watched those polls completely fail. And I know,
Speaker 3: I think for me, right, just being in this, being
Speaker 3: in politics and just studying for the last decade, I
Speaker 3: understand that there's a there's a feeling and there's a
Speaker 3: vibe inside of communities, especially that we inhabit, that tells
Speaker 3: you different than a lot of these polls, do you know,
Speaker 3: And and when you try to explain that, you know,
Speaker 3: I remember, I remember Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, and
Speaker 3: the polls are saying this, and the pose are saying that,
Speaker 3: and the streets wasn't saying that.
Speaker 2: And I kept and I kept reiterating it, and and
Speaker 2: then you know, and we actually seeing the outcome of that.
Speaker 2: So you know, to your question, I haven't been polled.
Speaker 2: I don't even understand if those polls actually work.
Speaker 4: So, so our brother Mark Thompson reberend Mark Thompson of
Speaker 4: Naked Plane, His Zone show that you know, really covers
Speaker 4: all of these political issues and more. I always say
Speaker 4: that Mark Thompson certainly one of the most brilliant not
Speaker 4: just members of the clergy, but strategists of our time,
Speaker 4: and we're very blessed to have him as a part
Speaker 4: of the think tank and until Freedom and Tonight he
Speaker 4: is joining us to talk through what we learned from polls,
Speaker 4: what we learn from the information that's out there online,
Speaker 4: and how we can be more accurate in terms of
Speaker 4: and I don't know, maybe there's not a way to
Speaker 4: be more accurate. Maybe there's always going to be these
Speaker 4: margins that are off, but I mean it seems to
Speaker 4: be really off because to your point about Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 4: I mean, she lost, and I'm sure Mark, you have
Speaker 4: plenty to say about how that happens. So thank you
Speaker 4: for joining tam Maya're not a stranger to the show.
Speaker 4: We appreciate you for making yourself available.
Speaker 5: Well, good to be with you all. As always, there's
Speaker 5: a lot going on, a lot to talk about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so, Mark, we're talking about polls. I've only
Speaker 4: been polled one time, my son saying he's never been pulled.
Speaker 4: That's because he refuses to keep a house phone. So
Speaker 4: I don't know what are some of the other ways
Speaker 4: that polls happen.
Speaker 5: Well, this actually may be one of the first political
Speaker 5: cycles where people are getting dialed by on their cell phones,
Speaker 5: and so that does make a difference because normally that
Speaker 5: doesn't happen. And when we're talking about younger people, people
Speaker 5: of color, you know, people don't have home phones anymore,
Speaker 5: So that does make a difference. So this one may
Speaker 5: be slightly more accurate. These polls now may be more
Speaker 5: accurate in that regard some polls.
Speaker 6: And you have different types of polls.
Speaker 5: Some polls are slanted right, some are slanting more centrist,
Speaker 5: some are slanting more liberal.
Speaker 6: That's why the rule of thumb.
Speaker 5: And while the news media will make stories and headlines
Speaker 5: every day about this poll and that poll, that keeps
Speaker 5: an interested That helps the news media, you get people engaged.
Speaker 5: But the best way to look at polls is to
Speaker 5: look at aggregate polls, to look at all the polls
Speaker 5: that are out there and start doing averages, and then
Speaker 5: you may come up with something that's a little more accurate.
Speaker 5: Now they they add another wrinkle. We just don't know
Speaker 5: sometimes how honest some people are being when it comes
Speaker 5: to polling, and I think that's one of the things
Speaker 5: happened that happened in twenty sixteen with Hillary Clinton. But
Speaker 5: I will say this, we also know Hillary Clinton actually won.
Speaker 5: See the problem is when we look at polls, we
Speaker 5: never consider the electoral college until after election day. And
Speaker 5: so Hillary Clinton won the majority of the votes in
Speaker 5: this country. She won that election in terms of actual
Speaker 5: millions in popular vote.
Speaker 6: She just did not.
Speaker 5: Win the states that she needed to win, and between
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand, just a little over one hundred thousand
Speaker 5: votes spread out amongst three states, she lost the election.
Speaker 5: So we can look at polls until we're blue in
Speaker 5: the face. What happens in the individual states, What happens
Speaker 5: when it comes to electoral college is the answer. Now,
Speaker 5: maybe we should not assume or presume that everybody has
Speaker 5: a full understanding of the electoral college. So I don't
Speaker 5: Maybe we need to go over that how that works,
Speaker 5: and that being folks in America, you have to win states.
Speaker 5: States have electors. Each state has a number of electors.
Speaker 5: Those are the people whose votes are sent to the
Speaker 5: capitol like they were on January sixth, the day Donald
Speaker 5: Trump and his ilk had the insurrection. Each state has
Speaker 5: a different number of electors, and the reason for that
Speaker 5: is because during the period of enslavement, you had some
Speaker 5: states with more people who look like to Meeke a
Speaker 5: mice and myself than white folk. But no one, of course,
Speaker 5: wanted people who looked like us, wanted enslaved people to vote,
Speaker 5: and so you have to make up for that. You
Speaker 5: have to compensate for that so that those states still
Speaker 5: have an equal or proportionate amount of weight to other states.
Speaker 5: And so you did that with the electoral college. You
Speaker 5: made sure that certain states had a certain number of
Speaker 5: electors to make them relevant, to make them important. Not
Speaker 5: one time, up until this era of Republican presidents being
Speaker 5: elected without a majority of the popular vote with electors,
Speaker 5: people used to make the same argument, Well, some states
Speaker 5: of what you call fly over states, they don't matter,
Speaker 5: They're not important for Iowa, Montana, flyover states. Nobody campaigns
Speaker 5: in those states because they're so rural they don't matter.
Speaker 5: But because they have electoral votes that can tip an election,
Speaker 5: then the electoral college matters, and so that makes them relevant.
Speaker 5: But now more and more, as we see a number
Speaker 5: of presidents have been elected to the White House without
Speaker 5: a popular vote. There's a more popular call, a more
Speaker 5: popular cry, for the electoral college to be done away with. If,
Speaker 5: for example, the Democrats get enough votes in the Senate,
Speaker 5: they must they may just be able to do that
Speaker 5: to get rid of the electoral college. But I've said
Speaker 5: a lot a pause there. I'm sure you have some
Speaker 5: follow up questions. But that's the way it works. They're posed.
Speaker 5: There's the electoral college. It's not meant it, frankly, to
Speaker 5: be the most simple or most understandable process, because once again,
Speaker 5: this America, this country was built on the back of
Speaker 5: our enslaved ancestors, and that is why we have the
Speaker 5: electoral system that we have.
Speaker 4: So I'm hearing what you're saying, and you're right, it's
Speaker 4: a lot to consume, right, And I wonder with the
Speaker 4: electoral college.
Speaker 1: I kind of go back and forth.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I understand the cries and demands to do away
Speaker 4: with it, but then I also understand that a state
Speaker 4: like or states like California and New York, because of
Speaker 4: the amount of people we have, we could pretty much
Speaker 4: set the election or decide the elections.
Speaker 1: All the time. Is that accurate? And do you think.
Speaker 4: That's fair, like what would be what's your position on that?
Speaker 5: At one time I did have concerns about that. Those
Speaker 5: are not illegitimate concerns because the other thing about that
Speaker 5: is is I mentioned some of the other states that
Speaker 5: are considered flyover states, like even a state like Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: Who would spend money campaigning in Pennsylvania or Iowa or
Speaker 5: in other states if we simply relied on a popular vote,
Speaker 5: you can spend most of your time campaigning in big
Speaker 5: states like New York and California and Texas and make
Speaker 5: a difference, So that that is not an illegitimate concern.
Speaker 5: But we got to come up with something better because
Speaker 5: you've got a couple of states where a handful of people,
Speaker 5: you can't go from one extreme another. You can't have
Speaker 5: a over popular or states with large populations exclusively deciding
Speaker 5: an election. And then what we have now states were
Speaker 5: very small populations and an election being decided by just
Speaker 5: a handful of people. Like I said, Jill Stein, peeling
Speaker 5: off one hundred and fourteen thousand votes within three states
Speaker 5: made Donald Trump the president in twenty sixteen. That's just
Speaker 5: bizarre and crazy. Jill Stein will never be elected president
Speaker 5: yet her being able to steal those handful of votes
Speaker 5: made Donald Trump president and look where that has left us.
Speaker 5: So there has to be a better system. And frankly,
Speaker 5: we're the only country left in the world that doesn't
Speaker 5: do it based upon popular vote.
Speaker 4: So, Mark, you said that somewhere I'm not sure, but
Speaker 4: I saw people pushing back saying, no, Hillary lost because
Speaker 4: she didn't campaign well in certain states and she did
Speaker 4: not make she didn't meet the electoral college number, you know,
Speaker 4: in certain places. So can you speak more to that,
Speaker 4: because there certainly was some pushback on that point when
Speaker 4: I posted no, No, it wasn't you. It was Joyanne
Speaker 4: Reid who spoke about Jill Stein and the Third Party
Speaker 4: or Green Party and their you know, their efforts being
Speaker 4: a reason why Hillary didn't win, and people were pretty
Speaker 4: upset about that. So could you maybe speak more to that.
Speaker 6: Well, there were.
Speaker 5: Several states Jill Stein was in was on the ballot
Speaker 5: in a number of states, and when you look at it,
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily.
Speaker 6: Agree that it was about campaigning.
Speaker 5: There was an alternative, and there were voters spread across.
Speaker 6: Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
Speaker 5: Now, there was an argument made that perhaps Hillary Clinton
Speaker 5: should have gone to Wisconsin a bit more. That is
Speaker 5: an argument some have made. Objectively, we've heard that, but
Speaker 5: the margin was so slim, like I'm saying, this was
Speaker 5: barely one hundred thousand US think about one hundred and
Speaker 5: fifteen thousand votes spread across these three states.
Speaker 6: The likelihood that Hillary.
Speaker 5: Clinton campaigning more in those three states would have changed
Speaker 5: those one hundred thousand votes is not clear. People had
Speaker 5: an alternative. They voted for Jill Side, and because that
Speaker 5: alternative was there, those are the numbers. That is the
Speaker 5: margin of victory or the margin of defeat for Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's pretty objective. That math doesn't lie. One
Speaker 5: can only hypothesize that those voters would not have gone to.
Speaker 6: Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: And usually when you have a situation like that, you
Speaker 5: have three candidates and one is far to the right,
Speaker 5: one is center left, as Hillary Clinton was, then you
Speaker 5: one must hope or hypothesize that those voters might have
Speaker 5: gone to Hillary Clinton. That would have made the difference.
Speaker 5: But that's what we know. That's what we know happened
Speaker 5: in those in those three states, and with that number
Speaker 5: being so small, I don't know that we can say
Speaker 5: has he gone to those three states more that one
Speaker 5: hundred thousand more votes. We've not seen that that evidence
Speaker 5: to those hard numbers that one hundred thousand more people
Speaker 5: would have turned out for her.
Speaker 3: So so based on what you're saying, and I and
Speaker 3: I and I and I kind of understand, like I'm not,
Speaker 3: I don't, I'm not as genius as you are. But
Speaker 3: when I listen to it, it just seems like we
Speaker 3: haven't really established a viable third party. So pretty much
Speaker 3: what it seems to me like and I don't want
Speaker 3: to say it in this way, but it just seems
Speaker 3: like the third party pretty much is like can be
Speaker 3: the monkey wrench, right, It's like we we we have
Speaker 3: two viable candidates and a third party. Although and I'm
Speaker 3: and I'm a firm believer that we really need to
Speaker 3: establish this third party. I believe that there has to
Speaker 3: be more alternatives than just two people and two parties
Speaker 3: that were just stuck in right, And I don't but
Speaker 3: I don't know what the mechanism is. But every time
Speaker 3: I hear about this third party, it seems as if
Speaker 3: and it's only a monkey rich for the Democrats because
Speaker 3: the third party has a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: liberal views right, and they just wait, they just a little.
Speaker 2: More to the left than the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: So there's what happens is if I'm if I'm strategizing,
Speaker 3: if I'm a Republican, I'm strategizing, what I want to
Speaker 3: do is is create some level of doubt or some
Speaker 3: level of energy to the third party to help them,
Speaker 3: you know, so they can help me. And and so
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like I'm a lot torn between this because,
Speaker 3: like I said, I believe that we need to have
Speaker 3: something that's different than a two party system and a
Speaker 3: lot of things that to third party says and does
Speaker 3: we actually feel like it needs to be done? But
Speaker 3: I just understand if the viability is not really there,
Speaker 3: then how does it really benefit us? Is it actually
Speaker 3: even possible for us to create a third party that
Speaker 3: is viable?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like the RFK.
Speaker 4: Situation mark where you know, who was who did RFK
Speaker 4: benefit more? Is it prompt with who he ended up
Speaker 4: siding with after getting out of the race.
Speaker 1: Or would it have been that he would have helped
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he became an alternative to the Democrats, right.
Speaker 5: Well, RFK was cutting into Trump's vote, that is why
Speaker 5: RFK has been trying to get his name removed from
Speaker 5: the ballots. He's an ally of Trump. If his name
Speaker 5: is on the ballot, he steals votes from Donald Trump,
Speaker 5: the same way Jill Stein steals votes.
Speaker 6: From the left.
Speaker 5: Now, to be clear, just to go back a little bit, Mice,
Speaker 5: this has been the case with third party runs. Ross
Speaker 5: Parrot stole votes from Daddy Bush in ninety two that
Speaker 5: helped Bill Clinton win. That was considered a little bit
Speaker 5: different because a lot of people saw Ross Preau as
Speaker 5: a very legitimate candidate.
Speaker 6: He was not just a spoiler.
Speaker 5: People considered him somebody even more excuse me, real to
Speaker 5: vote for. And he wasn't considered well and he wasn't
Speaker 5: running under a party either, really, he was running as
Speaker 5: an independent. John Anderson did the same thing in nineteen
Speaker 5: eighty that helped Ronald Reagan defeat Jimmy Carter for re election.
Speaker 5: So that is the problem with the third party. You
Speaker 5: can cause an upset, and in many of those cases
Speaker 5: the upset just so happened has not favored the Democrats.
Speaker 5: It has hurt the Democrats. To your point, and I'm
Speaker 5: someone who tried to establish a third party. In fact,
Speaker 5: the most recent black political party as a third party
Speaker 5: to obtain any ballot status anywhere in this country. Founder
Speaker 5: the Emosia Party, but it has its challenges. The Green Party,
Speaker 5: for example, which has been running races most consistently.
Speaker 6: Again, another example.
Speaker 5: Ralph Nader in two thousand cost Al Gore the race
Speaker 5: in Florida, giving a Bush Junior, little Bush Baby Bush
Speaker 5: the presidency over Al Gore, and you know everything went
Speaker 5: to court, Supreme Court, Bush v.
Speaker 6: Gore and all of that. If Ralph Nader.
Speaker 5: Does not give Gore voters that alternative in Florida, then
Speaker 5: Gore wins the presidency and we don't have we don't
Speaker 5: have Bush.
Speaker 6: The problem is, you're right, Mice.
Speaker 5: All any of these parties right now can be in
Speaker 5: running for the presidency is to be a spoiler. But
Speaker 5: the way to build a third party, you know, it
Speaker 5: is really not the answer to it is not to
Speaker 5: be a spoiler and a presidential race, but to build
Speaker 5: a party beginning on the local level, to elect members
Speaker 5: of Congress, to elect.
Speaker 6: Senators under that party.
Speaker 5: And I think once you do that, it's a more
Speaker 5: legitimate party, and then people would have to start paying
Speaker 5: closer attention if and when that party chose to run
Speaker 5: in presidential races. But as long as we have an
Speaker 5: electoral college and as long as we have a winner
Speaker 5: take all system in the presidency, a third party unless
Speaker 5: it is really viable, unless it is really competitive and
Speaker 5: on par with Democrats and Republicans and can raise a
Speaker 5: comparable amount of money, at best, it can be a
Speaker 5: spoiler for one party or another. So we would have
Speaker 5: had a lot going on in this way. We would
Speaker 5: have had RFK taking votes from Trump. Now would we
Speaker 5: have potentially are the Green Party and possibly Cornell West
Speaker 5: taking votes away from the Democrats More than likely. There's
Speaker 5: a paradox here though, as those parties is those individuals
Speaker 5: take votes away from Democrats to some extent, they're helping Trump.
Speaker 5: In fact, some of the lawyers keeping Stein and Cornell
Speaker 5: West on the ballot are the same ones trying to
Speaker 5: take RFK off the ballot. You know, if you look
Speaker 5: at all of that, there's a hand of Republicanism, a
Speaker 5: hand of conservatism in each one of those third party
Speaker 5: beds RFK, Stein, and West. We see the fingerprints of
Speaker 5: Republicans in each of those races.
Speaker 4: That's interesting because you know, and I know this is
Speaker 4: you know, very difficult to consume for some people because
Speaker 4: we want to see a viable option that is outside
Speaker 4: of the realms of the Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 1: It needs to be.
Speaker 4: And you've already said for those people who can't wait
Speaker 4: to get on in the comments and talk about how
Speaker 4: you know, you just basically paid by the Democrats and
Speaker 4: we over here hosting on our show somebody that just
Speaker 4: is a democratic chill, as they say, But you are,
Speaker 4: you're you're talking about how you are one who has
Speaker 4: tried to establish a third party. And I certainly see
Speaker 4: the need for us to have a viable option. But
Speaker 4: I and and and and I guess this is something
Speaker 4: that I'm asking you that maybe more of a I
Speaker 4: don't know, spiritual question or you know, you got so
Speaker 4: many bags you can draw from. What do you do
Speaker 4: when you realize that you are up against you know,
Speaker 4: you're dealing with a two party system. But you have
Speaker 4: someone like Jill Stein who has a platform that addresses
Speaker 4: some of the important issues that you care about. So
Speaker 4: we know that Israel, Palestine, this is something that is
Speaker 4: very very important to many of us. We want to
Speaker 4: see a cease fire, and you have a person like
Speaker 4: Jill Stein who is you know, obviously she's got her
Speaker 4: ears to the streets, understands that this is an issue
Speaker 4: that we care about. And you know, she said something
Speaker 4: the other day, I guess she was on the breakfast
Speaker 4: Club about the fact that like, at some point we
Speaker 4: have to build political will. Now I heard you say
Speaker 4: that has to be done from a local level all
Speaker 4: the way up. But I think people are tired of
Speaker 4: feeling like every time there's a fire alarm and therefore
Speaker 4: they have to vote a certain way just to be
Speaker 4: able to quote unquote save democracy. And yet there is
Speaker 4: no democracy in what America is participating in in terms
Speaker 4: of the the the killing of the Palestinian people. So
Speaker 4: I just wonder if you have some thoughts on that,
Speaker 4: you know, and and how you would and how are
Speaker 4: you speaking to people in your circle who are uh,
Speaker 4: you know, feeling uh uh you know this disheartened in
Speaker 4: this moment.
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I don't I don't know anyone
Speaker 5: to deal with this specific issue. No one in my
Speaker 5: circle is seeing jill Stein as an answer to the
Speaker 5: crisis in Gaza, no one legitimately. In fact, it should
Speaker 5: be known that the jill Stein tried to pick a
Speaker 5: running mate reviewed several people that are prominent in the
Speaker 5: ceasefire and in the Palestinian movement, and everyone to a
Speaker 5: person turned her down because Jill Stein is seen as
Speaker 5: an opportunity. We don't hear from Jill Stein, and we
Speaker 5: always say politicians show up in our neighborhoods when they
Speaker 5: need to vote well. Jill Stein is no different. That's
Speaker 5: what she does, and she will seize upon any issue
Speaker 5: that is prominent at the time. There's that, Plus there's
Speaker 5: also significant evidence to show jill Stein's relationship with Russia.
Speaker 5: Now you mentioned somebody being a Democratic shill, let me
Speaker 5: just say this full disclosure. Not only was I the
Speaker 5: co founder of the last ballot status political party in
Speaker 5: this country in the nineties, in twenty sixteen, because of
Speaker 5: my commitment to building third parties, Jill Stein was was
Speaker 5: a regular guest at that time on my show Make
Speaker 5: It Plain. Before I was informed about what she was doing.
Speaker 5: I was duped and I was being fair. I was
Speaker 5: giving her equal time. I had Hillary Clinton on my show,
Speaker 5: I had your stand on my show. Never had Donald
Speaker 5: Trump on the show. That wasn't even consideration, and that
Speaker 5: wasn't something he wanted to do. I learned late that
Speaker 5: the Green Party is actually an international movement. There are
Speaker 5: Greens in Europe. We don't get the European press in
Speaker 5: this country, we don't. That's why we don't get. All
Speaker 5: of us are involved in the God's movement, but no
Speaker 5: one knows what's going on in the Sudan on Congo
Speaker 5: because in America we are kept from news pretty much.
Speaker 5: This non domestic, just what they want us to see.
Speaker 5: So we hear a little bit about Ukraine, we hear
Speaker 5: about what's going on in Israel from an Israeli perspective.
Speaker 5: Had no idea that Greens for quite some time in
Speaker 5: Europe have denounced Jill Stein and see her as a
Speaker 5: full ally of Vladimir Putin in Russia that comes from
Speaker 5: within the Green Party movement itself. When I saw that,
Speaker 5: I asked Jill Stein about that.
Speaker 6: I asked her about her.
Speaker 5: Visit to Russia for the anniversary of RT Russian Television
Speaker 5: where she sat at a table next to Vladimir Putin,
Speaker 5: his intelligence officials in his cabinet, and the one who
Speaker 5: would ultimately be the National security advisor for Donald Trump,
Speaker 5: the very one that when Donald Trump met with Barack
Speaker 5: Obama after winning the election, he was advised by both
Speaker 5: Barack Obama and the US FBI and the State Department
Speaker 5: that this guy was going to be a problem. I'm
Speaker 5: blanking on his name right now. It'll it'll come to
Speaker 5: me in the moment. They're all in this photograph together.
Speaker 5: So there there are it's it's it's not.
Speaker 6: It's not just.
Speaker 5: That Jill stein Is is running altruistically or that she's
Speaker 5: representing ideology. There are problems with this individual that even
Speaker 5: Greens have a problem with. So it's not as simple
Speaker 5: as her now. Well, now she once an end to
Speaker 5: the ceasefry wild Okay, Jill, But there's still some questions
Speaker 5: that have to be answered.
Speaker 6: What is your role in this? Just like any other candidate.
Speaker 5: If we're going to scrutinize a Democratic nominee or Republican nominee,
Speaker 5: why would we not scrutinize any other candidate running for
Speaker 5: president when there are so many unanswered questions and alliances
Speaker 5: that are questionable. So I hope people understand it's not
Speaker 5: just about supporting a Democrat. Now to your point of democracy, well,
Speaker 5: we've really only talked about democracy the past three cycles
Speaker 5: in a row because it just so happens. The candidate
Speaker 5: that the Republicans continue to nominate is someone who's made
Speaker 5: it very clear he no longer wants to uphold whatever
Speaker 5: semblance of a democracy. We've never had perfect democracy as
Speaker 5: black people, as African Americans in these countries, people of
Speaker 5: African ancestry in this country. But we have someone who
Speaker 5: wants to threaten that even further. And everything is on
Speaker 5: the shopping block, the number of rights that African Americans
Speaker 5: have lost, that women have lost, and that other members
Speaker 5: of many constituency groups will probably lose if Donald Trump
Speaker 5: is reelected again. This is someone who's decided he does
Speaker 5: not care even with the elect the expansive and complicated
Speaker 5: electoral college system that has held this country in what
Speaker 5: it is. He said, we know, I'm just gonna override
Speaker 5: that even if someone else wins the electoral college farre
Speaker 5: and square, I, Donald Trump and my insurrectionists are not
Speaker 5: going to abide by that.
Speaker 6: We're going to nullify the votes.
Speaker 5: We had black voters in Georgia whose votes he specifically
Speaker 5: asked the Georgia Board of Elections to nullify, as he
Speaker 5: is trying to do now.
Speaker 6: So we have black voters in other swing states.
Speaker 5: Who are being purged and knocked off the ballot by
Speaker 5: Republican forces working in boards of elections in those states.
Speaker 5: Our votes are being targeted by Republicans in those states
Speaker 5: now by Greens, not by Democrats, but by Republicans.
Speaker 6: That is an objective fact.
Speaker 5: So anybody wants to say, well, what's the difference, that
Speaker 5: is the difference.
Speaker 6: There is no other political.
Speaker 5: Interests that is targeting and suppressing African American voters other
Speaker 5: than those who are aligned with the Republican Party.
Speaker 6: That's just the fact.
Speaker 5: So we can't say that that's both sides are doing that.
Speaker 5: Both sides are not doing that. The Democrats cannot win
Speaker 5: without Black voters, so they have no need to do that.
Speaker 6: That is a fact.
Speaker 5: The majority of African Americans, every day, all year round,
Speaker 5: vote in the majority four Democrats, seventy eighty ninety percent
Speaker 5: in some situations. So it's not just about being a
Speaker 5: hill and that's not going to change no matter what
Speaker 5: anybody says on social media. As we speak, Kamala Harris
Speaker 5: is at about eighty percent at least of the Black vote.
Speaker 6: That number is not as as.
Speaker 5: It should be because of the effect on social media,
Speaker 5: because of the targeted effect to discourage African Americans from
Speaker 5: voting for whom it could be the first woman, or
Speaker 5: the first African American woman, or the first woman of color.
Speaker 5: Whatever box she checks off, she checks off about six boxes.
Speaker 5: There is discouragement for that to happen.
Speaker 6: Why is that?
Speaker 5: Why would there be such discouragement because they know that
Speaker 5: if the black votes does what it normally does and
Speaker 5: turns out, then we will have the first woman, the
Speaker 5: first African American woman, the first South Asian woman, the
Speaker 5: first Caribbean woman elected president of the United States.
Speaker 6: We have a two party system.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, other countries around the world have a multi party democracy.
Speaker 5: Until we can figure out how to build that in
Speaker 5: this country, then we're going to continue to have a
Speaker 5: conversation about the lesser of two evils, which I think
Speaker 5: in this case is an accurate description. There are we
Speaker 5: may even be talking about the lester of three, or
Speaker 5: we could have been talking about the lesser of five
Speaker 5: Trump the Democrats RFK jill Stein, Cornell West And because
Speaker 5: we do not have proportional representation, so in a proportional
Speaker 5: parliamentary system, let me just give people an alternative.
Speaker 6: Let's look at South Africa all parties get.
Speaker 5: Votes multiper many parties over ten even each party gets
Speaker 5: a seat in parliament or their legislators. What it's called
Speaker 5: is parliament based upon the percentage of votes their party
Speaker 5: even received. So if there's an Until Freedom party and
Speaker 5: the Until Freedom party gets ten percent of the vote,
Speaker 5: Until Freedom gets ten percent of the seats in that parliament,
Speaker 5: and that's the way most parliamentary democracies work, then that
Speaker 5: parliament in South Africa elects the president from within parliament
Speaker 5: in those percentages. So Until Freedom has ten percent of
Speaker 5: the vote, another party has whatever percentage it has. Now
Speaker 5: that's you know, nothing is ideal, but those are other
Speaker 5: approaches to democracy. Here, we have a winner take all democracy,
Speaker 5: so whoever gets the most vote is the winner in
Speaker 5: the Senate, in the House, and in the presidency. If
Speaker 5: we had a multi party democracy, then you would have
Speaker 5: different percentages getting seats based upon the percentage of representation
Speaker 5: they have.
Speaker 6: That's an experiment that's being.
Speaker 5: Tried in some locales when it comes to city council races,
Speaker 5: and they have to start somewhere, so they started city
Speaker 5: council level. People can make a difference in their locales
Speaker 5: by changing the percentage of representation they have in those locales.
Speaker 5: Everything is locally all from police to school boards to
Speaker 5: election systems, and not to mention, every state has different
Speaker 5: rules for third parties getting on the ballot.
Speaker 4: Two, Well, let me just say this market and you please,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to hold you more. I
Speaker 4: could listen to you on and on and on because
Speaker 4: you just have such so much knowledge all this. You've
Speaker 4: been doing this work for so long. But what are
Speaker 4: the polls saying?
Speaker 6: Now you know?
Speaker 4: And what do you think about the direction that we're
Speaker 4: traveling in?
Speaker 1: And then we let you go.
Speaker 5: The polls right now, many of them have Kamala Harris
Speaker 5: with a slight lead over Donald Trump's. If you get
Speaker 5: to four or five percent, you're out of the margin
Speaker 5: of error. And the margin of era is when you
Speaker 5: have four percent a race, whether it's four percent or
Speaker 5: less separating the candidates, a margin of area is built
Speaker 5: in because poles know sometimes they can be wrong your
Speaker 5: point mice, and many times they are. So you have
Speaker 5: poles where a candidate is only two or three or
Speaker 5: maybe even four points ahead, that's considered a pretty much
Speaker 5: a dead even race. When you get into five percent ahead,
Speaker 5: then you can say, ah, this person might really be
Speaker 5: able to pull this off. And so everyone should look
Speaker 5: at the polls for the individual state. You can google
Speaker 5: them and where you see a candidate anywhere from four
Speaker 5: percent less. It's a tight race. Your vote vote can
Speaker 5: make a difference five percent. Of course, your vote can
Speaker 5: still make a difference, but that candidate is beginning to
Speaker 5: move into a more comfortable lead. Just in the past
Speaker 5: twenty of hours, we've seen a couple of poles, times
Speaker 5: Siena Pole, which pretty much is still saying a dead
Speaker 5: heat in general, but an NBC News poll that has
Speaker 5: Kamala Harris forty nine percent to Trump's forty four percent,
Speaker 5: So it's still a very, very very close race. There
Speaker 5: are aggregate polls, though, if we're going to get a
Speaker 5: look at these battlegrounds and these states with electors, there
Speaker 5: are polls that are saying she's at about five percent
Speaker 5: up in Michigan. That's good for her for Kamala Harris
Speaker 5: because Michigan is going to be a competitive state. There
Speaker 5: were uncommitted votes in Michigan. The uncommitted movement is not
Speaker 5: endorsing her, but they're not endorsing her either, So for
Speaker 5: her to be at five percent up in Michigan is formidable,
Speaker 5: considering there's that uncommitted vote there. That's a big number.
Speaker 6: Wisconsin she's around four percent, so it's still tight.
Speaker 5: If she has a lead or a hold in Michigan
Speaker 5: and Wisconsin, she's in pretty good shape. North Carolina looks
Speaker 5: better every day as long as crazy Mark Robinson stays
Speaker 5: in the race, because the down ballots are going to
Speaker 5: affect the up ballots in the same way the presidential
Speaker 5: race affects the races for governor and House and Senate
Speaker 5: and local electeds. It works the other way as well.
Speaker 5: So North Carolina, Georgia. We look at North Carolina and Georgia.
Speaker 5: Who votes in North Carolina. That's a whole lot of
Speaker 5: black voters and a lot of black women, and a
Speaker 5: lot of divine nine. So we can't write North Carolina
Speaker 5: and Georgia off. And Georgia the Trump forces. No, Georgia
Speaker 5: is a problem. It was in the past, and that's.
Speaker 1: Why they're doing all this stuff.
Speaker 6: To have the vote right exactly.
Speaker 5: They want to do hand counts now to try to
Speaker 5: thwart that. But if we do the mass, if she
Speaker 5: has Michigan and Wisconsin, if for the sake of this argument,
Speaker 5: that we say she has those states, she would sit
Speaker 5: now at two hundred and fifty one electoral votes to
Speaker 5: Trump's two hundred nineteen. If we count of all the
Speaker 5: red states that we know we're gonna go red, that
Speaker 5: means that she would need to win. If she won Pennsylvania,
Speaker 5: it'd be over. It'd be absolutely over at two fifty
Speaker 5: one plus nineteen eagles two seventy. But if she didn't
Speaker 5: win Pennsylvania and she won a combination of two of them,
Speaker 5: these states North Carolina, Georgia, Nevada, and Arizona, then that's
Speaker 5: her path to win to the presidency. If we do
Speaker 5: this math, though, and he's stuck it to nineteen, there
Speaker 5: is no way and she has and she actually has
Speaker 5: Michigan winiscon in Wisconsin. If she has those states, there
Speaker 5: is no way Donald Trump wins the presidency without Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: Pennsylvania is a toss up right now as we speak.
Speaker 5: There's mobilization on the ground in Pennsylvania to get out
Speaker 5: the black vote, especially in all forty wards in Philadelphia,
Speaker 5: that work has not really gone into effect. Like I was,
Speaker 5: I was involved in the conversation that I wasn't supposed
Speaker 5: to be in but I ended up in it because
Speaker 5: if folks started had a conversation in front of me
Speaker 5: and I said should I leave? And all stay brother,
Speaker 5: We want you to hear this about about mobilizing Pennsylvan
Speaker 5: and making that difference in mobilizing Philly. Now, let me
Speaker 5: give you one other little heaviat which is really very
Speaker 5: interesting and people should hear this. Trump ain't the smartest
Speaker 5: person in the room. Folks need to understand that that
Speaker 5: Ohio is a problem for Democrats. Florida is a problem
Speaker 5: for Democrats. But what is Trump doing. He's targeting Iowa.
Speaker 5: He's targeting Haitians. That is mobilizing people against him in Ohio.
Speaker 5: But even more so, it's mobilizing almost four hundred thousand
Speaker 5: Haitians who vote in Florida. Florida was never in play.
Speaker 5: He's got Florida in the pocket. But for the senatorial
Speaker 5: race in Florida where Rick Scott is running for re elections.
Speaker 5: Rick Scott, that's the dude who looks like he was
Speaker 5: on Harry Potter because they wanted Harry Potter villains former
Speaker 5: governor now senator who's never won to raise either for
Speaker 5: governor or senator by more than ten thousand votes. Trump
Speaker 5: is mobilizing four hundred thousand Haitians in Florida to vote.
Speaker 6: Or vote on their own without being mobilized.
Speaker 5: They show up seventy percent in most average elections. The
Speaker 5: brother who is investigating the alleged, alleged alleged assassination attempt in.
Speaker 6: The Marlago golf course is a Haitian. What does that
Speaker 6: tell you? That's not just a coincidence. The likelihood of
Speaker 6: that is because there's so many Haitians in Florida.
Speaker 5: Ations elevate to these, you're going to get Haitian prosecutors
Speaker 5: because there's so many Haitians living in Florida for generations.
Speaker 5: That's the closest stop on the vote coming in from Haiti.
Speaker 5: So he's actually hurting his chances in Florida by attacking Haitians.
Speaker 6: Is dumb?
Speaker 5: Rick Scott is saying, shut up. We've already got abortion
Speaker 5: on the bound in Florid like it is in Arizona.
Speaker 5: And we've got marijuana legalization in Florida. And that's the
Speaker 5: last thing. Abortions on the ballot in Arizona. In Florida,
Speaker 5: this will be the first time that Donald Trump will
Speaker 5: be on the ballot at the same time as abortion
Speaker 5: Keep in mind, Republican women in Republican states have voted
Speaker 5: to restore abortion rights in every state where it's been
Speaker 5: on the ballot. So here's the question before us. Will
Speaker 5: these same women who are Republicans. We know what Democratic
Speaker 5: women are going to do. We know young women are
Speaker 5: going to turn out more than ever young Democratic women
Speaker 5: at eighteen years old. They're eight million new eighteen year
Speaker 5: old voters in November. Believing that who will be turning
Speaker 5: eighteen by November fifth? Taylor Swift is gonna She's already
Speaker 5: mobilized them. What are Republican women are gonna do? Are
Speaker 5: they're going to vote to restore abortion in these two
Speaker 5: states and vote for Donald Trump?
Speaker 6: Just think if fifty percent of them don't do that.
Speaker 5: Or leave that part of the ballot blank while they
Speaker 5: vote to restoring a abortion rights.
Speaker 6: Trump's in trouble.
Speaker 5: So all of the math U looks good for her
Speaker 5: if people follow and are honest about what they're saying
Speaker 5: in the polls. If people say I want to restore
Speaker 5: abortion rights and say it doesn't make sense for me
Speaker 5: to vote to restore abortion rights, and then vote for
Speaker 5: the man who took away abortion rights in the first place.
Speaker 5: If all those things hold, Kamala Harris's pad to the
Speaker 5: President's pretty good. If we could, if the eighty percent
Speaker 5: of African American continues to rise, and we don't have
Speaker 5: people literally spreading the life, we can google her father
Speaker 5: right now, there are people saying to our faces, her
Speaker 5: father is white.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm These are the things that you have.
Speaker 3: You have all of these eloquent you have all of
Speaker 3: the numbers, you know how to do all the things
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. Just in the streets right what I'm
Speaker 3: faced with is I'm seeing I'm seeing outrageous numbers of
Speaker 3: just black males who just and it's not I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's just common, it's just the Democratic Party
Speaker 3: that they just they're not feeling at this time. Right then,
Speaker 3: we have things such as Janet's statement about her father
Speaker 3: being white, Like, are these things Janet Jackson, Janet Jackson,
Speaker 3: I want to say Janet Jackson, not just Janet Jackson,
Speaker 3: so we're clear, But are these things legitimate things that
Speaker 3: we should really worry about? Because I think, to me,
Speaker 3: like I'm worried, like I'm really worried and I don't
Speaker 3: and I don't know if.
Speaker 2: The campaign is paying attention to.
Speaker 3: These things that we already like, we already understand the uncommitted.
Speaker 3: We understand that guys is a big thing in you know,
Speaker 3: in this election. So that's one thing against just the
Speaker 3: med disadministration period and just this feeling that black men
Speaker 3: are having right now and I'm in the barbershops and
Speaker 3: we have in these conversations, and then when we look
Speaker 3: at that and we couple it with just the misinformation
Speaker 3: and the intentional because I don't think it's just you
Speaker 3: know that it's just people don't know. I think people
Speaker 3: are intentionally misinforming people because they want to be you know,
Speaker 3: anti you know, the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: Like, what should we be doing? Is this is really valuable?
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, Mice, you're exactly right.
Speaker 5: But think about it, folks, This didn't just begin. This
Speaker 5: has been at least an eight year process. We had
Speaker 5: handfuls of black men in twenty sixteen who were feeling
Speaker 5: Trump he was always allied with certain entertainers in our community.
Speaker 5: And if we really think about it, since twenty sixteen,
Speaker 5: it's gradually building, gradually building, gradually building, so it's gotten
Speaker 5: to this point now where it may be at a
Speaker 5: critical mass. So if you keep putting that stuff out
Speaker 5: there gradually, gradually on social media and spreading it, you've
Speaker 5: planted a seed of of misinformation that now has become believable.
Speaker 6: And So what I say to people when they say.
Speaker 5: Well, we're hearing this stuff about Kamala and she locked
Speaker 5: up black man, which isn't true.
Speaker 6: Her father is really white. So here's the thing.
Speaker 5: I said this to someone today, and I mean, I mean,
Speaker 5: it's really it speaks to a larger question. You know,
Speaker 5: one of the things doctor King would do. He would
Speaker 5: never just deal with the crisis in the moment. He
Speaker 5: would deal with the universal issue. Is this just about
Speaker 5: November fifth? Or do we have a series is problem
Speaker 5: in our community where African Americans are are more targeted
Speaker 5: for disinformation and more susceptible to believing that disinformation. And
Speaker 5: I think that's where we are in the latter. It
Speaker 5: goes beyond November fifth. Can anybody say anything and make
Speaker 5: us believe it because of our inordinate dependency on social media?
Speaker 5: So I say to people, look, if Barack Obama burst
Speaker 5: on the scene today first time we ever saw Barack Obama,
Speaker 5: he would be maligned and decimated because his mother actually
Speaker 5: is white. Think about that now, that couldn't happen in
Speaker 5: two thousand and eight, because social media didn't have the
Speaker 5: power in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 6: That it has sixteen years later.
Speaker 5: It doesn't have the power that it had eight years
Speaker 5: ago in twenty sixteen, and so it gets stronger in
Speaker 5: each cycle.
Speaker 6: And that's something thing we have to address.
Speaker 5: And it is bigger than this, because I'm telling yall
Speaker 5: some we really got to understand that it's going to
Speaker 5: require some prayer, some understanding, and really drilling into how
Speaker 5: is it. I mean a lot of things that are
Speaker 5: fake that a lot of things we can disprove every day.
Speaker 5: But you cannot google someone's father and have his actual
Speaker 5: picture come up in every it as a black person
Speaker 5: and still say convinced that can't be him, he must
Speaker 5: be a white man.
Speaker 6: Well, then where is the picture of the actual white father.
Speaker 5: Nobody can produce it, but you have a critical mass
Speaker 5: of people who believe it. That speaks to something else
Speaker 5: more bizarre and nefarious than just being an election. We
Speaker 5: gotta figure out what is going on to make people
Speaker 5: believe something that actually cannot be proved. It's not even
Speaker 5: like there's another picture out here is really the secret Father?
Speaker 6: You know that that doesn't even exist, you.
Speaker 1: Know talking about right there is literally just made up.
Speaker 5: And listen to me, because there are pictures of the
Speaker 5: Lockness Monster, and people still don't really believe there's a
Speaker 5: Lochnans their pictures a Bigfoot, and there's still people still
Speaker 5: fit they're really Bigfoot. There are pictures allegedly of the
Speaker 5: abominable Snowman. There is no picture of an alleged white
Speaker 5: father of Kamala Harris. And I was just in my
Speaker 5: neighborhood and a grown black man, a middle aged black man,
Speaker 5: my age, screaming in the streets.
Speaker 6: The father's white. I know he's white. He's white.
Speaker 5: He's I mean, just literally blood curdling screaming, and I
Speaker 5: just had to walk away. Wow, this is that that
Speaker 5: speaks to another pathology. Now, let's be fair.
Speaker 6: To mecas a woman on this call. Let's not let's
Speaker 6: not dismiss what we also know.
Speaker 5: We live in a society that is in innately misogynist
Speaker 5: as hell, absolutely and particularly misogynoir. If Tamikas was running
Speaker 5: for president, Today's well as we know who her parents are.
Speaker 6: Somebody would say, well, her parents are white and we
Speaker 6: might be in the same situation.
Speaker 7: Are all crazy or they would at least say that
Speaker 7: I slept my way to the top all of that,
Speaker 7: and you know, I mean, they have so many different theories.
Speaker 4: But listen, you know, Mark, I think that we could talk.
Speaker 4: There's so many directions to traveling. And you know that
Speaker 4: the last few weeks and we've been sort of live
Speaker 4: on the road. We are going to be back on
Speaker 4: camera soon where you know, folks will be.
Speaker 1: Able to see us talking and we have to have
Speaker 1: you back for a part.
Speaker 4: Too, just to you know, look at I think every
Speaker 4: week and it's really every day, this whole thing shifts.
Speaker 4: There are changes, there's new conversations, there's new things for
Speaker 4: us to look out for if you will, you know,
Speaker 4: And I think that's the main thing. Like for me,
Speaker 4: today I posted on my page. It was a tweet
Speaker 4: from Cassim Rashid, the attorney, and he talked about how
Speaker 4: in Texas they've purged about five hundred thousand eligible voters.
Speaker 4: In Oklahoma they've purged about one hundred and ninety three
Speaker 4: thousand eligible voters. Nebraska is potentially changing its electoral count
Speaker 4: to win or take all so they can go red.
Speaker 4: Georgia wants to five to six million votes to be
Speaker 4: counted by hand, and other red states have closed more
Speaker 4: than one hundred thousand Poland locations in black and Latino neighborhoods.
Speaker 4: And so I think we just got a really pay
Speaker 4: pay attention. We've got to be focused. Every week from
Speaker 4: now until the election. This show will be focused on
Speaker 4: the you know, electoral politics and what's happening in this country.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything that's more important than us
Speaker 4: covering our work on the grassroots level and how it
Speaker 4: directly is impacted by what will happen.
Speaker 1: In this election.
Speaker 4: And so we definitely need to have you back on
Speaker 4: camera real soon so that we can talk about and
Speaker 4: update as to where we are, look at the polling
Speaker 4: numbers again, and also talk about whatever kind of effyree
Speaker 4: they got going on. Because I know you love Janna Jackson,
Speaker 4: but that was some weird old vibes that she gave
Speaker 4: out that I don't think happened, you know, just me personally, and.
Speaker 5: I had hoped for us, you know, rekindling relationship we once.
Speaker 6: Had, but I don't know anymore. I mean, it's it is.
Speaker 6: It is bizarre.
Speaker 5: Like I said, we can find pictures of everything else
Speaker 5: and we can't find that, and I agree. Lastly, just
Speaker 5: let me say that, you know, Mice, we we must.
Speaker 6: Next year will be the.
Speaker 5: Thirtieth anniversion a millionaire in March, and we took a
Speaker 5: pledge to defend our communities, particularly our women. And I
Speaker 5: want all the brothers to think about that. I want
Speaker 5: all the brothers to heal what Mice has been saying.
Speaker 5: Can we do that at the same time as we
Speaker 5: are attacking as sister and allowing people to attack someone
Speaker 5: who's a member of a black sorority, who attended an HBCU.
Speaker 6: All of those things.
Speaker 5: I think that's the real challenge we and the real
Speaker 5: question we have to ask ourselves as as black men,
Speaker 5: and in all cases we should defend black women who
Speaker 5: are working somehow, one way or another to make a
Speaker 5: difference in the lives of our people. So I mean,
Speaker 5: I would just leave it there. I think we have
Speaker 5: to fight the missag Noir. You're right, this we could
Speaker 5: go There's so many directions for this to go into,
Speaker 5: but this is the hour we're in and we're being
Speaker 5: put to the test. Let's get through the next forty
Speaker 5: some odd days, and then let's talk about what to
Speaker 5: do beyond that to really change this country, to hold
Speaker 5: whoever is an office accountable. Remember now, the last president
Speaker 5: who made decisions based upon what the movement dictated was
Speaker 5: Lyndon Johnson. And he said that he woke up every
Speaker 5: morning he said, go and watch the movie LBJ All
Speaker 5: the Way on HBO, HBO movie about him starring Brian Cranston,
Speaker 5: Breaking Bad. He played LBJ Lyndon Johnson. And this first
Speaker 5: scene in the movie opens up when he asked his staff,
Speaker 5: what did Doctor King and Dick Gregory say about me
Speaker 5: last night?
Speaker 6: That's how he started his day. And he responded to.
Speaker 5: That it is our problem that we've not rebuilt our
Speaker 5: movement after it was terrorized, after our leaders were assassinated,
Speaker 5: after all the violence perpetrated against us, we did not
Speaker 5: still pick up and rebuild our movement so that whomever
Speaker 5: is in office, didn't matter who is a Democrat or Republican,
Speaker 5: they have to respond to us. That is what we
Speaker 5: must rebuild in this country, the beloved community, the unapologetic movement,
Speaker 5: power movement that doctor King gave his life, building and absolute.
Speaker 3: Everything you're saying is one mark. And like Tamika said,
Speaker 3: we can sit here and go over. We definitely need
Speaker 3: to have you back on this podcast because your brilliance,
Speaker 3: it gives me, it settles me just a little a
Speaker 3: little more. But I'm just very, very just concerned about
Speaker 3: just politics in general has given me anxiety, like like
Speaker 3: it's just it's just.
Speaker 2: All together anxiety.
Speaker 3: It's just like when you start to really just understand
Speaker 3: the dynamics and people just put out simple things and
Speaker 3: you understand that do we have political.
Speaker 2: Theater when we talk about the border?
Speaker 3: Right, were talking about the border, and we understand that
Speaker 3: Trump has has told Republicans to turn down deals that
Speaker 3: could have shut the border down, right right, you realize
Speaker 3: that Trump has been running on the same exact border
Speaker 3: with the same scared tactics. First of the Haitians is
Speaker 3: the Mexicans is everybody of color is coming to kill
Speaker 3: white people. So we got to make sure that we
Speaker 3: seal this board, like understanding these same things over and overseeing,
Speaker 3: and then you know, and then you see misinformation and
Speaker 3: people are Oh, the Democrats voted against the bill that
Speaker 3: to to make sure that the rapists and things or
Speaker 3: you know, or or sit back to their country and
Speaker 3: it's like, well, that happens anyway. You know, if an
Speaker 3: immigrant rapes or kills somebody or does something they deported
Speaker 3: out here is why we need a new law. Understanding
Speaker 3: they making a new law so they can try to
Speaker 3: highlight it and use it as something that to catapult
Speaker 3: the same. So when you start understanding these things, it
Speaker 3: becomes like, how does everybody understand what's going on? So
Speaker 3: I've been getting anxiety dealing with you know, there's some
Speaker 3: election and dealing with the politics of everything, and you
Speaker 3: just seem to have a down pack. So thank you
Speaker 3: for settling my nerves a little bit and just giving
Speaker 3: me somebody who who knows how to articulate it and
Speaker 3: break it down.
Speaker 2: But we definitely need to have you back on.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm just saying, I'm just saying you I have anxietyude.
Speaker 6: Don't get me wrong. The thing is it's designed.
Speaker 5: A lot of what we're looking at now is designed
Speaker 5: to cause a great deal of confusion.
Speaker 6: So I mean, mice, you you were you were og
Speaker 6: like me.
Speaker 5: We we we know stuff about the world, We've been
Speaker 5: in places we and then we talked to people right
Speaker 5: in front of our faces. You all know, you around
Speaker 5: people and you start thinking you crazy. Maybe I'm losing
Speaker 5: my mind. I mean, there was a guy screaming in
Speaker 5: the street to me yesterday trying to convince me that
Speaker 5: Kamla Harris's father is white.
Speaker 6: Am I losing my mind?
Speaker 5: So so is you? You are not alone in that,
Speaker 5: and that's why I'm saying there's a larger problem. But
Speaker 5: it's also bringing out the best in others people.
Speaker 6: Y'all. We watched wonder Woman as a kid. Linda Carter
Speaker 6: got on TV today and for the first time said
Speaker 6: her mother was Mexican. She's old mother was an immigrant.
Speaker 5: I didn't know Linda Carter, the original white Wonder Woman
Speaker 5: was Mexican's.
Speaker 6: A Mexican woman. She is a dreamer, She is one
Speaker 6: of those people. Her mother immigrant here.
Speaker 5: You couldn't you couldn't say that out loud, probably back then.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, respect for her. I never
Speaker 5: knew this wonder Woman. Okay, I'll u was watching wonder Woman.
Speaker 5: This kid were watching wonder Woman. You know that made
Speaker 5: the right wingmail down. Wonder Woman is a Mexican, So
Speaker 5: you know, for every setback. We have something else that
Speaker 5: comes forward that says, you know, a lot of people
Speaker 5: in this country, many people are people of color and
Speaker 5: just and I we keep saying the last thing. One
Speaker 5: of the things when we look at the Kamala Harris's
Speaker 5: and the Linda Carters, the three of us here, we
Speaker 5: regular every day black folk.
Speaker 6: The world is changing.
Speaker 5: The majority of people being born in the world today
Speaker 5: are of all kind of cultural mixtures. I was in
Speaker 5: a restaurant the other day right here in New York
Speaker 5: in uh near Times Square, and the young lady who
Speaker 5: was seating us at the table, it was a delay,
Speaker 5: so we struck up a conversation and I asked her
Speaker 5: where she was from. She said, her father is Haitian.
Speaker 5: Now her mother is Haitian, but her father is from Bangladesh.
Speaker 6: Now. Thirty foty years ago, you neveruld heard something like that.
Speaker 5: That just didn't happen, primarily because people weren't in places
Speaker 5: to meet up like that.
Speaker 6: But as the world becomes more diverse, Hey, y'all, different
Speaker 6: folks from different parts of the.
Speaker 5: World go hook up and it's not planned, it never is,
Speaker 5: and they don't feel the same restrictions that our parents
Speaker 5: and grandparents had to only be in one space with
Speaker 5: one kind of person exactly like you.
Speaker 6: So you're gonna get people who were jamaking an Indian.
Speaker 5: And black all mixed together, and like Haitian and Bangladesh
Speaker 5: and Asian and black and pretty soon all of this conversation.
Speaker 5: And that is what people fear. That is what people
Speaker 5: who are starting this stuff fear. They fear the blurring
Speaker 5: of the line. And the more you blur those lines,
Speaker 5: the more you have. With doctor Wells and doctor Francis
Speaker 5: crest Wellsing taught us, is that sooner or later we're
Speaker 5: going to have a world of people that will defeat
Speaker 5: white supremacy purely via our DNA. This will be a word.
Speaker 5: It really already is. The majority of people in the
Speaker 5: world are people of color.
Speaker 6: But when you start.
Speaker 5: Mixing all of these different cultures together, that's not a
Speaker 5: bad thing. It's really okay, and it leads to greater
Speaker 5: understanding and less oppression. Why do you think there's more
Speaker 5: empathy for the people of Palestine than there ever was.
Speaker 6: Before we had to people.
Speaker 5: Humanity had to evolve to see the Palestinians looked like me.
Speaker 6: Jesus was actually.
Speaker 5: A dark skinned African Hebrew Palestinian. We didn't understand that
Speaker 5: twenty and thirty years ago.
Speaker 6: So the more we evolve, every round goes higher and higher.
Speaker 5: And these people see that their arguments are becoming obsolete,
Speaker 5: and they're trying to hold onto it as long as
Speaker 5: they hand as they can while it slips from their hands.
Speaker 1: Wow, thank you, Mark.
Speaker 4: We appreciate you so much.
Speaker 6: We in this together. We wouldn't make it without each other. Lord,
Speaker 6: have mercy.
Speaker 3: Lord man, I'm barely making it with us, So we
Speaker 3: should actually do it.
Speaker 5: We should do a reality show just off our phone
Speaker 5: calls and text that would get some ratings.
Speaker 6: Stuff, y'all.
Speaker 5: Y'all they're talking about how I want to hit the audience.
Speaker 5: They always talking about I'm brilliant. No, I'm not, because
Speaker 5: I called them every day and also I had my owns.
Speaker 5: I say, we're not gonna make it.
Speaker 6: They're not telling you that part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not gonna tell you that far.
Speaker 1: But we we will make it. We will take no choice.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: We we're the most resilient people on this planet Earth,
Speaker 3: and we figure out how to survive and how to
Speaker 3: thrive all the time.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna figure it out. But it's tough, it's rough, but.
Speaker 1: Thank you Mark, you much.
Speaker 4: So much information, I mean, just packed with the what's happening,
Speaker 4: with the numbers, packed with you know, understanding of the
Speaker 4: political landscape. I mean, Mark is just he he has
Speaker 4: a lot of information.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: I feel like the wrong people work within these campaign offices,
Speaker 4: like these campaigns like they got the I don't know.
Speaker 4: I won't say the wrong people, because there's some good people,
Speaker 4: but folks like Mark Thompson.
Speaker 1: Uh and others. You know.
Speaker 4: I was just having a conversation with Brittany Packnet the
Speaker 4: other night, and some of the things that she was saying,
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, they that's how they need to message,
Speaker 4: That's what they should be saying. Like you're someone who
Speaker 4: knows what to say, Like why do why don't you
Speaker 4: work over there?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, Marcus one of those people
Speaker 4: that has the type of information and the insight that
Speaker 4: is needed because he can discuss what's happening on the streets,
Speaker 4: he can go to the suites, he can talk about
Speaker 4: the highest levels of government, and all of that is
Speaker 4: so necessary in these times because a lot of our
Speaker 4: people just really don't know that.
Speaker 2: They really don't know.
Speaker 3: So we have a jewel and Mark Thompson and you know,
Speaker 3: it's just it's just amazing just listening to the misinformation
Speaker 3: and just listening to people.
Speaker 2: It's frustrating.
Speaker 3: It's just really frustrating. They say you shouldn't discuss politics
Speaker 3: and religion, and I'm really I'm starting to believe that
Speaker 3: they are one hundred percent right. You know, you can
Speaker 3: have people that you love and they start discussing politics
Speaker 3: and it's just it just triggers something to you, right,
Speaker 3: Like I literally watch it because I think that it's
Speaker 3: so you know, important to our lives. We like they say,
Speaker 3: if you don't do politics, politicis to do you. And
Speaker 3: a lot of people I don't think they take it
Speaker 3: that serious, right, I think they just they see politics
Speaker 3: as something that's trendy.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: If there's a politician or somebody.
Speaker 3: That people just say, hey, we're with this person because
Speaker 3: they're cool, or you know, do we think they're cool.
Speaker 3: Something about social media has, you know, made them look
Speaker 3: like something that we should be following. People just go
Speaker 3: and go along with it. Who was I having a
Speaker 3: conversation with somebody told me that a four year old
Speaker 3: in school was saying that I'm gonna vote for Trump
Speaker 3: black person. They say, well, well you can't vote well,
Speaker 3: or my parents are gonna boy, And I was just like,
Speaker 3: where did this even come from?
Speaker 4: Right, Well, there's some kids that have a lot to
Speaker 4: say about kam La Harrison, positive things to say about her,
Speaker 4: Like I was one of those kids, you know, I
Speaker 4: was a kid who was very much so in tune
Speaker 4: with politics and civil rights and all that because my parents,
Speaker 4: it was so much going on in my household. I
Speaker 4: don't know if I was four, but certainly by the
Speaker 4: time I was seven or eight, I could talk to
Speaker 4: you about politics, I could talk to you about community stuff,
Speaker 4: like I knew a lot.
Speaker 2: No, I get that, And I'm not saying that that's
Speaker 2: not a thing. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: Because you knew a lot and you were typically engaged, right,
Speaker 3: and you were and you were taught actual things that
Speaker 3: made a lot of sense. I don't understand where somebody
Speaker 3: would say that we just fooling for Trump, right a kid,
Speaker 3: I don't understand what information they're being fed. So like,
Speaker 3: and then they'll probably say the same thing about on
Speaker 3: the other side. So that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3: In politics is just it's such a very touchy subject,
Speaker 3: you know, but it's very imperative that we.
Speaker 2: Focus on it. It's just it's a lot.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I've been having damnar headaches just thinking
Speaker 3: about this election because what I'm very intuitive and just understanding,
Speaker 3: like we say this all the time, voter die, and
Speaker 3: you know what's on the line. We don't have like
Speaker 3: and I just see it more and more coming to
Speaker 3: fruition that this election is it's very much imperative that
Speaker 3: we are focused on it. It's so much on these ballots,
Speaker 3: it's so much on the line, and I think people
Speaker 3: are not taking it as serious as they should, and
Speaker 3: they're just thinking it's just just another right election.
Speaker 2: Oh, nothing's gonna affect me. I don't. I think this
Speaker 2: one is just different to me.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 4: I think they all are important, you know, And that's
Speaker 4: something that I'm beginning to realize. We used to say
Speaker 4: this particular election is the most important of your life,
Speaker 4: but I think all of them are important. And that's
Speaker 4: something that we have to understand. People are governing our
Speaker 4: communities and we need to make sure that they are.
Speaker 1: Accountable to us.
Speaker 4: Now, how we can how we do that better, how
Speaker 4: we do a better job of holding them accountable. It's
Speaker 4: something that I'm here for every day, all day. So
Speaker 4: it's a great show.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: That's that's a lot of information, and I hope that
Speaker 4: people will really take the time to sit and listen.
Speaker 1: Word for word. It's almost it's almost in this particular situation.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I'm ready to to get off
Speaker 4: the road, to get back home and to get in
Speaker 4: the studio to film as soon as we can. But
Speaker 4: I will say that listening to Mark today, I kind
Speaker 4: of felt almost like you It was like talk radio,
Speaker 4: like he has that voice and also that information, that
Speaker 4: Joe Madison information, you know, Rest in Peace to the Eagle,
Speaker 4: where you could literally sit it's like ten ten wins
Speaker 4: and just listen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't like an encyclopedia. Man, we deal on
Speaker 3: one of the last encyclopedia. Someone who is civically engaged,
Speaker 3: who studied, who's been in the rooms, who understands all
Speaker 3: the aspects. You know, he's a Jew, real Jew Thompson.
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