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Speaker 2: Great to have you on perfect day for it.

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Speaker 1: We got some Reds and Nats topics too, which we'll

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Speaker 1: get to, but I want to start with the hot

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Speaker 1: topic of the day. How do you treat these last

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Speaker 1: several days if you're a team fighting for every single

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Speaker 1: game in the National League Wildcard example a the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Diamondbacks opting for a bullpen game instead of Zach Allen,

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Speaker 1: who will instead pitch over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts on a mini punt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as soon as I heard that happen, I

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Speaker 3: picked up the phone and called Mike Hayes and the

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Speaker 3: general manager of the Diamondbacks, to ask him what the

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Speaker 3: thinking was behind it.

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Speaker 4: This is what he told me.

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Speaker 3: He said they were going to have a bullpen game

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Speaker 3: either today or Saturday, and and talking with the manager

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Speaker 3: of the pitching coach, Zach Gallen and Order Rodriguez, they

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Speaker 3: decided that the best route for them was to go

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Speaker 3: with a bullpen game today that would allow them to

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Speaker 3: push Gallon and Rodriguez each back to day, give them

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Speaker 3: each an extra day since, look, you're in the end

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Speaker 3: of September. You got a lot of anxiety. Yeah, pitched

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Speaker 3: and so they felt like they have a better chance

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Speaker 3: tonight against the Dodgers and then having their starting pitchers

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Speaker 3: fresh for the weekend, and so that was their they

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Speaker 3: could behind it, and it makes sense to me. It

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Speaker 3: does so again, I don't know how Gallan feels. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how Rodriguez feels, but I know one thing.

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Speaker 3: If they're all talking to them and they feel they're

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Speaker 3: better off pushing them back a day, why not do

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Speaker 3: the bullpen day today instead?

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Speaker 5: Another reasoning, I mean, that makes sense and all. But

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Speaker 5: now let's say they do get into the postseason somehow.

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Speaker 5: Then if it pushes Gallon back to game two at

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Speaker 5: the first, Rigez the game three, who pitches game on

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Speaker 5: Ryan Nelson, Brandon fought. I mean, there's there's multiple things

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Speaker 5: but they got to win every game, so why would

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Speaker 5: As a player, I'm like, man, we want to play

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Speaker 5: our best pitcher today and then our next best pitcher

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Speaker 5: of the next day, and then if we get to

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Speaker 5: Sunday and we're still alive, screw it. Everybody's available.

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Speaker 3: Well, Gallan can still pitch game one though, right, So

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Speaker 3: pushing him back a day doesn't affect that to your point.

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Speaker 5: But if you pitch, you can't pitch game on if

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Speaker 5: he pitches Friday, because then you have Saturday, Sunday, Monday,

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Speaker 5: Tuesday starts unless heed to Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: It depends how he feels. Though you could go in

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Speaker 3: three days rest if that's what you needed to do.

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Speaker 5: There's a long history of that being awful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, it's a discussion. I get it,

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Speaker 3: but I will tell you that when I've been in

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Speaker 3: those positions before as a GM, I wanted to get there,

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Speaker 3: and I wasn't gonna sit there and try to plan

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. All I care about is until we

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Speaker 3: being poured over people's heads. I'm gonna do everything I

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Speaker 3: can to win the most games I can until I

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Speaker 3: get there and that's how I see it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's like Toronto, They're gonna have a big decision possibly

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Speaker 3: then lose him for the first two.

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Speaker 4: Wild card games.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's gonna be a tough decision then, But

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Speaker 3: that's gonna be different because they're gonna get in either way.

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Speaker 3: So it's a little bit uh different decision. But with

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Speaker 3: Arizona right now, you're not in the playoffs today. You

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Speaker 3: gotta make finish ahead of the Reds, And so to me,

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Speaker 3: I just need to care about the next four games.

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Speaker 3: What is the best way for me to win all

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Speaker 5: Okay, so you brought that up. Now, I know we're

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Speaker 5: Schoobl's lined up to pitch Sunday if you can. If

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Speaker 5: you're tied with the Guardians, knowing the Guardians have the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in the Traits case, I need to

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Speaker 3: save them for game one. I think Detroit's case, I

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Speaker 3: with one starting pitcher. So if I know I'm in

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Speaker 3: because that gives me the best chance of winning the

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's fair. That's where we had that argument the

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Speaker 6: other day. My question to you, they were just playing

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Speaker 6: Have you ever seen the end of the season unfold

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Speaker 6: were playing in postseason last year with a bullpen. They

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Speaker 6: have so many questions. Now they're going to their deep

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's their only chance over.

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Speaker 3: I am surprised, I guess, just looking at it from

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Speaker 4: Surprise. They didn't put Kershaw back there earlier.

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Speaker 3: Surprised they didn't give more consideration to using Otani out

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Speaker 3: looked at this team down the stretch, it's very clear

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Speaker 3: the bullpen problems are real.

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Speaker 4: They're not going to be fixed in October.

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Speaker 3: Your only way of fixing it is taking your great

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Speaker 3: to make at least one dramatic move with one of

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Speaker 4: Haven't done it.

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Speaker 3: So it sounds like they're going to go Otani, Yamamoto,

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Speaker 3: it sounds like I'm not so sure they wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: But again, I think how the Dodgers handle that bullpen

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Speaker 5: What it always is, It always is how quick is

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Speaker 5: Dave Roberts hook? It might be longer than we're used to.

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Speaker 5: Let's go to another team that you're very very special,

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Speaker 5: meaning in your herd gym, the Cincinnati Reds, the Cincinnati Rids.

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Speaker 5: Last time they won a playoff series. You were the

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Speaker 5: GM nineteen ninety five, only thirty years ago, so you're

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Speaker 5: you look better now than you did thirty years ago.

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Speaker 5: Have to minute. But here's the thing. Do they want

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Speaker 5: to win the wild card? I mean, I know they do,

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Speaker 5: but like it's like watching these games it is pulling teeth.

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Speaker 5: You're like, oh, oh, just get a hip, please get

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Speaker 5: the guy over make up. It's it is so hard

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Their pitching is great, their offense is not good good

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Speaker 5: until it's not good. It is like the most fun

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: And look, the nationallygue has five really good teams and

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Speaker 3: there is not a six team that should make the playoffs. Right, Mets, Diamondbacks,

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Speaker 3: and Reds have none of those.

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Speaker 4: Street teams we should be talking about.

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Speaker 3: But because we had the expanded playoffs, we get to

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Speaker 3: talk about one of them are going to get in.

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Speaker 3: When I look at the Reds, I look at their

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Speaker 3: lineup and I just say, you don't have enough offense

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Speaker 3: to be a postseason team. I watch these guys swing

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Speaker 3: out of the strike zone. Matt McClain drove me crazy

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Speaker 3: last night. I just can't stand how much they swing

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Speaker 3: try to pull a slider away. I can't stand out

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Speaker 3: they'll swing at the first pitch when they got two

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Speaker 3: first pitch and pop it up. I think Terry Francona

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Speaker 3: the fact that they literally have a chance of getting

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs has as much to do with Terry

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Speaker 3: Francona as it does the great young starters that they have.

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Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be a fun weekend to watch them.

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Speaker 3: This lineup is not good enough to get there, but

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Speaker 3: you know what, the Mets rotation isn't good enough to

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Speaker 3: get there. Arizona shouldn't be there the way their team is,

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Speaker 3: since they traded three of their best players at the deadline,

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Speaker 3: so you know, I look at the Reds and you

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Speaker 3: know they've got a shot.

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Speaker 4: We'll wait.

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Speaker 3: Last night against the Pirates and lost all my fingernails

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Speaker 3: watching the game, but it frustrated me. I did because

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many games the Reds have

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Speaker 3: loss this year by swinging at bad pitches or not

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Speaker 4: Play or not going to the right base.

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Speaker 3: They just always seem to do something out of the

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Speaker 3: ordinary to lose, and it drives me absolutely nuts. So

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be fun to watch these three

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Speaker 3: up winning that last spot. They'll lose it in two

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Speaker 3: games and they'll be over.

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Speaker 6: All Right, well, let's just insert same conversation with the Mets.

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Speaker 6: Can you break down where it went wrong for them?

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Speaker 6: Get it? They're still they can still make the playoffs

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Speaker 4: And yes, Aja, you were right. I was wrong. It hurts.

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Speaker 1: the baseball one. Hey, you were a former general manager

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Speaker 7: This was a phenomenal decision in signing, and I will

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Speaker 3: And I say that because I loved the resume of

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Speaker 4: This is when you know, you get in the woods,

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Speaker 3: Don't make any money, and you love the game so

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Speaker 3: But I will say this, this is a phenomenal hire

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Speaker 5: Okay, I was going to say the Learners didn't hire you.

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Speaker 5: Okay, is your son? This is what I want to know.

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Speaker 5: USC has played nobody this year. Illinois, they're questionable. They're

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Speaker 5: So is your son gonna call you and say, well, well,

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Speaker 3: No, because he's gonna say, guess where I was at

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Speaker 3: I agree with that, but understand, this offense is probably

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Speaker 3: But it's gonna come down to the secondary. It won't

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Speaker 2: And hey, good teams beat bad teams. That's part of

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Speaker 5: Good teams win, great teams cover.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, JB, good stuff, great hit. We'll catch

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the athletics rankings of pitching staffs

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Speaker 1: me where you think they got it right or wrong.

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Speaker 1: They've got the Dodgers, Phillies, and Mariners in the top

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Speaker 1: three in that order. Then the Brewers, Padres and Astros four, five, six,

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Speaker 1: Red Sox, Yankees, Cubs seven eight, nine, Guardians ten.

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Speaker 2: That's their top ten.

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Speaker 5: Dodgers won with their bullpen, That's.

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Speaker 2: What they say.

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Speaker 1: So Yamamoto snell Otani class. Now he has been good.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't good last night, but generally I think he's trusted.

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Speaker 5: But they've also the Diamondbacks have seen him a bunch

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Speaker 5: of times.

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Speaker 2: That's probably right.

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Speaker 1: My thing with the Dodgers, I do think that the

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Speaker 1: freakout has been high.

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Speaker 2: Is it last year's bullpen krats?

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Speaker 1: No, but I do think that they're going to be

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Speaker 1: able to mix and match that version of Rokie plays.

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Speaker 1: I think Robleski is going to be counted on. I

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Speaker 1: think there's enough there. Shean's gonna log beginnings for this team.

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Speaker 1: Kersh All looked pretty damn good yesterday. I think there's

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Speaker 1: enough there. But do you think that they're the number

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Speaker 1: one pitching staff based on what they have with Yamamoto,

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Speaker 1: snell A, Tany and Glass.

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Speaker 5: Now, I have a tough time.

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Speaker 6: I have a tough time not putting the Mariners where

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Speaker 6: they're where they're going right now. I have a tough

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Speaker 6: time not putting their staff, their entire thirteen pitchers ahead

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Speaker 6: of the Dodgers a little bit if you're just going

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Speaker 6: rotation Dodgers. I just think I think the Dodgers' bullpen

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Speaker 6: struggles have been glaring, and the struggles have been lower

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Speaker 6: strikeouts and walks, like the two worst things you could

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Speaker 6: possibly do. So I feel like I have the Mariners

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Speaker 6: ahead of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Gilbert Kirby, do you get any updates on WU yet?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: No? Okay, Castillo looked really good, but it was the Rockies.

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Speaker 5: Have, do you not through the Guardians is higher than ten.

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Speaker 2: That's why I was asking you guys pick up stuff.

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Speaker 6: The Astros shouldn't be up there. I think the Yankees.

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Speaker 6: I think the Yankees are more set up for the

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Speaker 6: playoffs than now I got. I gotta look at the

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Speaker 6: list myself. Then the Astros, the Red Sox like they

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Speaker 6: should be higher, and the Guardians recently, You're right, the

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Speaker 6: Guardians are They are them again, except now they have

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Speaker 6: a starting rotation, Like how much same thing we asked

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Speaker 6: Shil earlier. How much is vote gonna be able to

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Speaker 6: lean on those starters? Is he gonna say Nope, I'm

486
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Speaker 6: going to Heron, I'm going to Gaddis, I'm going to

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Speaker 6: I'm going to Kate Smith. Like as soon as there's

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Speaker 6: any kind of hint on anything with a rotation that

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Speaker 6: you don't trust, they go right to it. And to me,

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Speaker 6: I think that's where managers, that's where managers make their money.

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Speaker 6: But I just think I think the Yankees. I get it,

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Speaker 6: the regression from their bullpen, I get it. Devin Williams

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Speaker 6: isn't the guy they traded for, But their worst is

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Speaker 6: a ton of strikeouts with a ton of Walks. So

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Speaker 6: that to me is yes, they've struggled, but I don't

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Speaker 6: think they're worse than the Astra. The Astros are struggle

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Speaker 6: bus right now, up and down. They're hoping that Franber

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Speaker 6: Valdez picks them up tonight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Astros should be way lower.

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Speaker 5: So that's why it also doesn't make any.

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Speaker 2: Sense, right, but this was done several days ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was put together maybe four or five days ago,

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Speaker 1: and then they put out the rankings list. So yes,

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Speaker 1: I agree the Astros would get moved down.

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Speaker 2: We're good with the Padres there.

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Speaker 1: Based on the bullpen in the five spot, I would

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Speaker 1: I would consider putting them above the Brewers. The Brewers

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Speaker 1: have a lot of question marks with who's coming back

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Speaker 1: bullpen wise. Is Miguil gonna be okay coming back? So

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Speaker 1: he had the little setback, you should be back. There's

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Speaker 1: others working their way back, right, Logan Henderson, what are

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Speaker 1: they doing with the mizz And like the starters are good,

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Speaker 1: but like pre stir Chad Patrick, they're good.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think the Padres starters have just as much upside

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Speaker 1: as those guys. Freddie P obviously leading the way, but

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Speaker 1: I might flip flop the Brewers and Padres'.

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Speaker 6: Like I'd like to look at like the fielding independent

519
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Speaker 6: stats of the Brewers STAF because that those defenders absolutely

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Speaker 6: pick it and I think they raise the level of

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Speaker 6: that pitching. And so that's where sometimes in the playoffs

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Speaker 6: we talk about the little things.

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Speaker 5: I get it.

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Speaker 6: But the best way to get somebody out is to

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Speaker 6: strike them out. The best way to score run is

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Speaker 6: a home run. And I think those things really exemplify

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Speaker 6: or multiply and like start showing up in the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: So that's where I would agree with you. I think

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Speaker 6: the Padres bullpen has an opportunity to just strike out

530
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Speaker 6: the world and may push ahead of the push ahead

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Speaker 6: of the Brewers. But an ace at the top is

532
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Speaker 6: hard to it's hard to fight against. And the Brewers

533
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Speaker 6: have an ace in Peralta.

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Speaker 2: Pavetta is really good. But I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: I got two more to bring up who can make

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Speaker 1: a case for being higher. Maybe I'm off on this one,

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Speaker 1: but out of the fifteen teams that they still had

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Speaker 1: in contention.

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Speaker 2: They have the Blue Jays fourteenth.

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Speaker 1: They said they have the highest dra among these teams

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Speaker 1: and they're bottom ten in barrow percentage, so they're getting

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Speaker 1: hit hard. Right again, Let's keep in mind that when

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Speaker 1: you're putting those percentages together, that's for the whole staff.

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Speaker 2: You're going to shrink the staff a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But do you believe in Bieber Gossman, Sureser Bassett if

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Speaker 1: he returns in time, Brio's probably out of the bullpen

547
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Speaker 1: Is Savage and then I mean Yarriel Rodriguez, Brendan Little, Sir,

548
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Speaker 1: Anthony Domagaz, Jeff Hoffman.

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Speaker 2: Should they be higher?

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Speaker 5: They should probably be higher than be higher than the Tigers, Cubs.

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Speaker 5: What about the Cubs, So.

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Speaker 2: Let's play this game.

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Speaker 1: They should be higher than probably three four teams on

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Speaker 1: here that they're below. No Blue Jays, Okay, Blue Jays

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Speaker 1: or Mets, Tigers, Cubs. I think they're they're not getting

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Speaker 1: enough love, That's what I'm saying. So the Blue Jays

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Speaker 1: should be higher than the Mets, the Tigers. Right the Cubs.

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Speaker 5: Tigers are going to say, oh, school makes up for

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Speaker 5: at all.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry one guy, and this is for the

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Speaker 1: whole postseason. Okay, do you have enough pitching to get

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Speaker 1: yourself through the tournament. I think the Blue Jays are

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Speaker 1: being slighted a little bit too much here. Is it

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Speaker 1: a strength of the team, not necessarily.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Gossman Beaver, you Savage if he's a starter, right

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Speaker 5: for the long haul, Barrio sures are lower for the

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Speaker 5: long haul it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Brio says had a tough year, but I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think I think they're being slighted

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Speaker 2: a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And then I've got one other team that I think

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Speaker 1: is being slighted a bit by far. The strength of

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Speaker 1: the Reds is they're pitching. They're ranked eleven, and I've

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Speaker 1: got them above a few teams here as well. I've

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Speaker 1: watched a lot of Reds baseball lately. Their offense can't execute,

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Speaker 1: for crap, but they've got really good stuff.

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Speaker 2: A lot of their guys right, Green.

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Speaker 1: Abbots, Singers, Okay Lodolo, Nick Martinez, Ashar At Santition, Pegan,

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Speaker 1: Chase Burns, Lttel. No, I'm not saying it's top five,

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Speaker 1: but I don't I think they should be a little higher.

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Speaker 2: They're ranked eleven.

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Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, i'd say above the Cubs, but they're

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Speaker 6: not above the Red Sox. I don't even think they're

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Speaker 6: above the Astros. Their starting rotation is the starting rotation

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Speaker 6: is cool, it's awesome, but maybe maybe they reached the

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Speaker 6: top eight.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Okay, for me, it's above the Cubs and the

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Speaker 1: Astros in terms of what's ahead of them.

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