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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Steph.

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Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I Heart Radio. Samantha.

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Speaker 1: Were you big into slumber parties growing up? Yeah, actually

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Speaker 1: I was. I really liked a good slubber party, being

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Speaker 1: with my friends doing silly things, playing weird games, eating snacks.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it was kind of like a popularity contest

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Speaker 1: whoever's it was. It was a big deal. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was. I don't know the last slumber party I

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Speaker 1: went to. For a while, it was just like a

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Speaker 1: group of three of us would just hang over constantly

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Speaker 1: throughout the summer. But the actual sum parties are always

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Speaker 1: for the big deals, and that would be for birthdays

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Speaker 1: didn't get the new chility and when I was doing

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Speaker 1: slumber parties at the same time, but that's what I

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Speaker 1: a lot of memories, both fond and they were kind

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Speaker 1: of tent sometimes because, like you said, they were sort

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Speaker 1: there's always kind of drama and like clicks that might

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Speaker 1: I did. I did go to a lot. I preferred

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Speaker 1: was always exciting to get invited there. Yeah, there slumber party.

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Speaker 1: There's one friend of mine. She had like horses and

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Speaker 1: in her house. Oh and they had like oranges, like orange,

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Speaker 1: they grew oranges and apple, so we would have fresh

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Speaker 1: to control everything. We even had though she was a

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Speaker 1: hero one year when one of our good friends started

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Speaker 1: choking on a cheese pizza that went down the Roman

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Speaker 1: never forget that. Good job. Good Actually cheese pizza. That's

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Speaker 1: actually a perfect thing we're talking about. It really is.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, it really is. So before we get

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Speaker 1: or anything too graphic. But we are discussing a slasher

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna get to detail, but so

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Speaker 1: you have a warning. As we are recording this and

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Speaker 1: as it comes out, Halloween is upon us. So today

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Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about the movie that it's often

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Speaker 1: there definitely, as we've talked about in Female First, a

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Speaker 1: search result you'll most often get, and that movie is

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Speaker 1: The Slumber Party Massacre. It was a comedy horror slasher

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Speaker 1: directed by Amy Holden Jones. And written by feminist activist

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Speaker 1: Rita may Brown, and the plot is fairly simple. A

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Speaker 1: high school senior slumber party is interrupted by a murderer.

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Speaker 1: And also there's a lot of pizza desperation for pizza

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Speaker 1: But instead I was just like, oh, this is like

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Speaker 1: scratching at the door. Yes, and to be clear, many

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Speaker 1: Man is in fact serving as their table at this point. Um,

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Speaker 1: of the first slasher movies that poked fun at itself

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Speaker 1: And Samantha and I watched this within the past twenty

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Speaker 1: And then we find that there's a slumber party. Val

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Speaker 1: So Val came, and then Val, after many more deaths

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