Speaker 1: Welcome back, all the smoke, beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada hot,
Speaker 1: when the Legend suite here at the wind. Jack's good, bro,
Speaker 1: feeling good, happy to be in Vegas. Man. We had
Speaker 1: a special opportunity to grab our but we were trying
Speaker 1: to get this duce in season one. Man, we finally
Speaker 1: caught him right before he was about to leave Vegas,
Speaker 1: and he's here with us. Man, Welcome was she Wallace? Man?
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Bro. I a glad to be here already,
Speaker 1: know that. So what's going on with you right now?
Speaker 1: How's life? What's going on? Man? Can't complain? Can't complain?
Speaker 1: Enjoin it? Man, you know, just being a dad, a granddad, grandad.
Speaker 1: You tried to skip over that kind of fast bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a grandpap. No, I'm not ashamed of It's that
Speaker 1: next level. Man, it's a blessing. I got two granddaughters
Speaker 1: went on the way, um, so you know I'm blessed. Man.
Speaker 1: I can't complain about nothing. Yeah, glad to hear that.
Speaker 1: For the raising, Philly, I've been up with you a
Speaker 1: million times. Just got a street named after you. Simon
Speaker 1: Gratz talk about how important it is to have the
Speaker 1: identity you have now and Philly, man, it's it's it's huge,
Speaker 1: it's huge. You know, I'm involving some little small private
Speaker 1: business stuff around there too. That's again for the city,
Speaker 1: for the community. It's a blessing. Man, It's a blessing
Speaker 1: to have a road named after me. And I didn't
Speaker 1: do it by myself. You know, y'all know the old
Speaker 1: saying it takes a village to raise a child. And
Speaker 1: you know, for me to be where I am today,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of people that helped pave the way.
Speaker 1: And you know that kicked my ass along the way
Speaker 1: if I got out of line with anything, you know,
Speaker 1: class on my mouth for whatever. I felt like it
Speaker 1: was all of us. You know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 1: was it was my mom um is, my dad, my aunt's, uncles,
Speaker 1: my brothers, everybody like that was something that that I
Speaker 1: can stand on for the family, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, Murals. Don't get me wrong, Murals is nice.
Speaker 1: It's good for the community. You get to see you
Speaker 1: know this and that. But you know, a crazy when
Speaker 1: you know you put it on GPS and seriously, like right,
Speaker 1: turn on Rashid while it's what you do down playing
Speaker 1: and that's big. No, I know that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's it's used for my family, and you know that's
Speaker 1: that's what I That's what I look at it more.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm excited about it, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: But I mean Dann for like the grandkid's gonna say
Speaker 1: it like you know my greats. You know it's it's
Speaker 1: in the books. Man. You can't take it away, can't.
Speaker 1: I said Simon Grass for a lot of people to
Speaker 1: know what I was saying what I was talking about.
Speaker 1: But you know basketball fact, when did basketball come into
Speaker 1: to play your life way before? Simon Grass? And who
Speaker 1: was the players you idolized? Well growing up? Of course,
Speaker 1: Um it's only one in Philly, you know Dr j R.
Speaker 1: That was That was my man, you know, because one
Speaker 1: everybody in my house loved him, My mom, you know,
Speaker 1: my brothers, all of that. Everybody loved him. Um, so
Speaker 1: of course I'm a love him and just watching the Sixers,
Speaker 1: you know. And I really didn't understand basketball too much
Speaker 1: growing up because I was a track and field guy.
Speaker 1: That's what I grew up with. That's my first love
Speaker 1: all day, every day before basketball. It was track and field,
Speaker 1: so just watching basketball. Of course. The only reason I
Speaker 1: played it. I wanted to be like my big brothers,
Speaker 1: you know, so as I got older, I kind of
Speaker 1: sort of took both of their games. My oldest brother
Speaker 1: before he passed away, you know, he had he had
Speaker 1: to kill a junk shot, you know, he had a
Speaker 1: nice little one to handle to get the way he
Speaker 1: had to. My middle brother, Mohammed, that's the dunker. You know.
Speaker 1: He was the first cat in the hood to do
Speaker 1: all of Michael Jordan dunks and all that left handed
Speaker 1: right dunking on cats. And he couldn't shoot worth ship,
Speaker 1: but he on your neck, I'm telling you. And I
Speaker 1: kind of sort of molded that together, man and just
Speaker 1: wanting to be like them. And that's where I took
Speaker 1: it up at middle school, and then once I got
Speaker 1: to Simon Grass, it was a whole new world, you know,
Speaker 1: And a lot of people think that it started with me,
Speaker 1: but it didn't. You know, they were winning championships and
Speaker 1: had all American players before I got there. So once
Speaker 1: once I got there, though, it was it was it
Speaker 1: live on stage. What made you pick n see and
Speaker 1: the Dean Smith recruits you personally, Yes, yes, the great one,
Speaker 1: the great one, rest for sure. I remember watching them
Speaker 1: play Michigan and you know, the whole ordeal one down with,
Speaker 1: you know, with every time out, this and that, and
Speaker 1: they wanted So go to school the next day and
Speaker 1: I come home, so I got my headphones on, you know,
Speaker 1: and at this time it's just me and my mom
Speaker 1: living in the crib, and we're living in an apartment.
Speaker 1: So I walked through the door and when I closed
Speaker 1: the door, you know, I'm just bobbing, bobbing, go into
Speaker 1: my room, out of my if y'all see some people
Speaker 1: sitting in the living rooms of backtrack, oh ship Dean
Speaker 1: Smith and my opinion, the day after they won, the
Speaker 1: day after they wanted it was Dean Smith and in
Speaker 1: my opinion, the greatest player to play at Carolina for
Speaker 1: I knew you, I knew it feels for it was
Speaker 1: them too. And I'm like, like, coach, what y'are doing here?
Speaker 1: You know you're supposed to be celebrating y'all just won
Speaker 1: the national championship. You know, I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 1: back to business, you know. We let the kids celebrate
Speaker 1: his back to business, but they came up That right
Speaker 1: there showed me a lot. I'm like, damn, I'm like,
Speaker 1: they ain't even thinking about the you know, the present
Speaker 1: right here. They're just looking at it like all right,
Speaker 1: look what's next? What's next? And man, coach Smith, great
Speaker 1: basketball mind, great basketball mind. It was. It was sad
Speaker 1: to see him, you know, just have that dementia and
Speaker 1: the whole it needs you to go through that whole
Speaker 1: thing for him having such a great mind, man, great person.
Speaker 1: To any other schools you thought about, yeah, yeah, of
Speaker 1: course locally, UM Temple with coach Cheney, John Cheney. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I still get flat about that to this day.
Speaker 1: UM Villanova when they had Roli Massamino, coach Thompson rest
Speaker 1: in peace. I got flat from him to UM along
Speaker 1: my career when I saw him. But there are my
Speaker 1: four schools, M Villanova, Temple, Georgetown, and Caroline. You got
Speaker 1: any classic Dean Smith stores, Why don't you can remember? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one. It's one out there that I wanted to
Speaker 1: sess straight with something. So so we were in practice, right,
Speaker 1: So now I knew the concept of the team game,
Speaker 1: you know, I knew the concept of Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta come down and at least give two three
Speaker 1: passes before you get a shot. Okay, got that. So
Speaker 1: we're in practice and we moving, moving the balls moving around,
Speaker 1: and I'm wide open on the baseline. I get it.
Speaker 1: I put that thing up. Now I can't remember if
Speaker 1: I made it or miss it because he blew the
Speaker 1: whistle like when it was the ball was halfway to wear.
Speaker 1: He's like stop, stop, stop, and I'm like, Dad, I
Speaker 1: do something wrong. And he's like, wow, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Why are you shooting the ball like that? You know?
Speaker 1: I was like, coach, I was open, So here it is.
Speaker 1: I'm a young board now I'm thinking I'm still being respectful.
Speaker 1: But it was rhetorical questions that he was asking me,
Speaker 1: the dumb freshman. And here he is and the guys look,
Speaker 1: the old heads looking at me like like the felts,
Speaker 1: like you know, and he said, you think you can
Speaker 1: hit that shot? Yeah? Can you hit it eight out
Speaker 1: of ten times? Yeah? Give him the ball? Wow, wow,
Speaker 1: go shoot the fourth shot. He's like stop, He's like,
Speaker 1: it was a bad shot. You shouldn't have shot it anyway. Hey,
Speaker 1: oh man, it was it was great though, man coch
Speaker 1: Coach Smith, he was he was a great dude. Great things.
Speaker 1: Any legendary stories about the UNC summer runs, MJ have
Speaker 1: a pull up on y'all. Give y'all some of that airness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like my freshman year, I remember he came to practice,
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was I think it was
Speaker 1: after it was after before their season. You know, he
Speaker 1: had time. He was down there for a couple of days.
Speaker 1: So he came to practice, right, So he had practice
Speaker 1: with us and everything. So at first and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, damn, Mike, you know, growing up young bulls sneakers,
Speaker 1: you know, right. So I'm like, all right, and after practice,
Speaker 1: you know, as a freshman and all that, you gotta
Speaker 1: get your work in you ten fifteen minutes after practice
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I did that boom boom boom, And
Speaker 1: so guys we motivated to the locker room. Well, Stack
Speaker 1: Stack will tell you the story Stack Um Donald Williams,
Speaker 1: Jeff McGinnis, and it was one more I think it
Speaker 1: was a kid by the name of Dante Calabria. They
Speaker 1: all playing Um Rising Shane with Mike. Oh. So They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: where she that? Where she that? I'm in the locker room.
Speaker 1: I'm icing down. I took my shoes off. So they're like, oh, coach,
Speaker 1: want you out there on the floor. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: so run out there on the floor. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you want to play one on one? What are you crazy? Man?
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting up here letting this dude embarrass me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I came as at the time. You know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't confident in my handle like that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And I know he gonna get up
Speaker 1: in me play the man. You are crazy. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: staying here and watch him kill y'all. Butt it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I wish that film could somehow some wagesually appeared like yeah,
Speaker 1: they was gon, what do you stack? At the time?
Speaker 1: What year was stack? We were both um, we were
Speaker 1: both what freshman, I think freshman, sophomore the sophomore season
Speaker 1: he came back at it. And then in the summer summertime,
Speaker 1: we always had great pickup games down in the Dean Dome.
Speaker 1: You know, um close it up and then you got
Speaker 1: two courts going um the long way, and man, we
Speaker 1: used to go at a lot of the old heads.
Speaker 1: It was always the old heads versus the young bulls.
Speaker 1: The guys who was there now, and yeah, they used
Speaker 1: to beat our ass. I remember Sam Perkins to come
Speaker 1: back beat my ass. George Lynch, you know, they used
Speaker 1: to come back. And I think that was that brotherhood
Speaker 1: that kept it going. And once my class left, we
Speaker 1: came back beating Vincent the Mass, beating Antwoine in the Mass,
Speaker 1: and I want to stay that. You know, it was
Speaker 1: just the same hand in the dadhood. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: still like that to this day. Fourth pick of the
Speaker 1: ninety five draft to the Bullets, unfortunately, get to play
Speaker 1: twenty one games your rookie season. What was that experience
Speaker 1: like your first year? Awesome? Who's on the team. Was
Speaker 1: on the team? It was? It was me, Juwan Juwan Howard,
Speaker 1: see what, Calbert Cheney, Mitchell Butler, Bob McCann, Mark and
Speaker 1: Brent Price, Robert pat and Jim mcillvane. Jim mclevane. That
Speaker 1: was our paid he and Chris Whitney for nothing but
Speaker 1: three power right there. That's that's look check it, check it.
Speaker 1: Just when I first learned about the business. That's different.
Speaker 1: Jim mcilvane got paid because the BPM, the blocks per minute,
Speaker 1: he was leading the league. And then you know, of
Speaker 1: course we all look at it differently, like, man, you
Speaker 1: gotta be doing it a night and this and that,
Speaker 1: but it's the status in your contract. I wasn't mad
Speaker 1: at him, he got a hunder man. I wasn't mad
Speaker 1: at him. He was he was closed. I got him
Speaker 1: back back then in I was like, no, he was closed,
Speaker 1: the only one who but Juan was the first one
Speaker 1: with a bucko five. Yeah, yeah, yeah when Duke came
Speaker 1: with that one? Yeah, man, bucko five? What was it like?
Speaker 1: So with you, Jiwan and Webb going at it every
Speaker 1: day in practice, then't beat my ass because they always
Speaker 1: me against them, but of course they the starters. But um,
Speaker 1: but no, I loved it because it's that spirit of
Speaker 1: competition on all Right, y'all gonna beat me up this
Speaker 1: And now y'all might know a little bit more than
Speaker 1: me about this NBA game because you know, y'all got
Speaker 1: that to three years on me. But y'all don't know
Speaker 1: my game either. So I'm gonna come back at y'all
Speaker 1: yea and practice. Man, right there in Booie State, that
Speaker 1: little ash Jim we used to get it on. Man,
Speaker 1: can you imagine him? And well, that's what I'm saying
Speaker 1: oh man, there was a whole lot of ship talking dog,
Speaker 1: a whole lot Hey, look, I know who you are.
Speaker 1: I've seen what you did. You know, the whole fab five.
Speaker 1: I know. But I ain't scared of you, you know.
Speaker 1: And he's like, all right, bad, let's get it. And
Speaker 1: you went down. Yeah, and you know that's when they
Speaker 1: took me under their wing. You know. It wasn't the
Speaker 1: fact that I was arrogant or nothing like that. No,
Speaker 1: I ain't backing down. I ain't gonna disrespect y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ain't know. Pump straight up, straight up, What would
Speaker 1: you felt like? What was your welcome to the NBA moment?
Speaker 1: I would have to say it was my rookie season.
Speaker 1: We were playing Phoenix. I don't know. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: y'all remember him, Joe Klein, redhead Arkansas. So we're playing
Speaker 1: and you know me back then, I got a dunk.
Speaker 1: Boom ah, run down court. Hey, you little motherfucker. If
Speaker 1: you do that again, he said, I'm gonna wipe you out. Man. Whatever, dog,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna do nothing. I mean strong in him. Yo.
Speaker 1: Two three plays later, we ran the same play, just
Speaker 1: a little different option, and I'm trying to go to
Speaker 1: the rim. I got the ball in my hand. Next
Speaker 1: thing I know, I'm grabbing for hands getting up off
Speaker 1: the floor. He was a lumberjack or something. He was
Speaker 1: too strong, and that for basketball you didn't need all
Speaker 1: that said, I told you, don't bring that ship down
Speaker 1: here with me. That was I felt as though that
Speaker 1: was mine just a regular family. No tea, no flavor,
Speaker 1: no no, right, no right. You know back there I
Speaker 1: was saying, yeah, he was strong for no reason. I
Speaker 1: felt as though that was my welcome to the NBA moment,
Speaker 1: little piss hand. Keep thinking you we had we played
Speaker 1: together for one game. Who yeah in Atlanta, right, for
Speaker 1: one game. You're cooking though played, we have to we cooked.
Speaker 1: We was cooking that game. Then the next morning we
Speaker 1: had the bar of cheesecake and we're looking at the time,
Speaker 1: amount of time out and went body a little fast.
Speaker 1: You're at the bar of cheesecake morning in the morning.
Speaker 1: We did. It was in Miami, so you cut your
Speaker 1: evening shot. You know, you got he started early and
Speaker 1: being him with cheesecake. We see the ship come on
Speaker 1: the bottom of the the screen. She got traded. That's how
Speaker 1: we found out. And then like it was all time
Speaker 1: and probably like about thirty forty seconds later, that's when
Speaker 1: my agent called me and he's like, hey, it was
Speaker 1: feeling good though when they called, so it was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, we got one game together? Yea, Like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I still got that him they can't take
Speaker 1: back with That's that's the famous line that I love.
Speaker 1: One of the most legendary things I thought about your game.
Speaker 1: Your game was killer, but you wore Air Force ones
Speaker 1: on the court. Then one of the hardest things to
Speaker 1: run in. You had the high top, sometimes lace sometimes not.
Speaker 1: Where that ship comes from. Just being in Philly. That's
Speaker 1: what I've seen my old heads whooping back home, you know,
Speaker 1: the Force ones. But the difference with me playing in
Speaker 1: mines in the league, I had orthotics, so you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a pancake interfo for me. Of course, you
Speaker 1: know I had arthotics in there, but again it was
Speaker 1: all business. You know. Um in high school I had
Speaker 1: a couple of little twisted ankle injuries and colls and
Speaker 1: had a couple of bad twisted ankle injuries and it
Speaker 1: was from the shoes I was playing. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta go with some hot tops, some real ht tops.
Speaker 1: You know, take my ankle or wear ankle brads tied
Speaker 1: up and good money, you got your silhouette on them. Though,
Speaker 1: when when did that happen? I would probably say late nineties. Um,
Speaker 1: working with my man Nico. Yeah, the other day, late night,
Speaker 1: that's when he was with Nike. He was a young
Speaker 1: Nike rap then and um, you know we was talking
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, we came up with the
Speaker 1: Man the shee Man shout out. Niko traded to Portland
Speaker 1: after you after your rookie year? Did you see that
Speaker 1: movie coming negative? Ghost Rider? I was on everything. I'm
Speaker 1: in Philly, right, I met my man and barbershop. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're up on twenty second Street, my man barbershop, and
Speaker 1: so you know we're in the back doing what we
Speaker 1: do and getting a little work out in right. You know,
Speaker 1: my my old hey gonna he prisoned buff giving me
Speaker 1: a little pointers and stuff. So we're back there working
Speaker 1: out and my cousin called me with the first one.
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, you just got traded out the Portland's.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, whatever, I'm like, I ain't hear
Speaker 1: from my agent at that time, Like, man, whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: it's amazing he's like, hey, hey man, how you doing.
Speaker 1: How you doing? I'm like, what's up. He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get right to it. They just traded you to Portland.
Speaker 1: And for that first thirty seconds, I was heated. I
Speaker 1: was heated because I saw the potential that that team
Speaker 1: could have had down there in Washington with me Webb
Speaker 1: juwan you know in the guards, the plesora of guards
Speaker 1: that we have, you know, playing with Mark Price a
Speaker 1: lot from him, Web said the same ship. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that team was nice man, And I wish, I wish
Speaker 1: that I could have had another year or two with
Speaker 1: that team, for sure. But I knew it was business again.
Speaker 1: They just paid a new that buck o five. They
Speaker 1: had a big contract Webb had brought with him from
Speaker 1: Golden State, and then the other contracts in between, you know,
Speaker 1: Calbert Cheney. He was making some good money, big money then,
Speaker 1: and so I knew it was part of the business,
Speaker 1: all right. So I get traded to Portland's I was mad,
Speaker 1: but then I was like fuck it, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: It's like all right. So the silver lining was they
Speaker 1: got good draw out there, so thank you for the truth.
Speaker 1: So you know, they gotta call a spade a spade,
Speaker 1: but um facts but no, to be honest, Um, when
Speaker 1: I got traded, I was I was young into the
Speaker 1: whole little family situation. Um. At the time, fiance was
Speaker 1: living with me and her son. So when we moved
Speaker 1: out there, I had I had my other sons with
Speaker 1: me too. And Portland's a great family spot. Man, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna hold you everything. Like your kids can't say
Speaker 1: that they they are bored. There's so much stuff to
Speaker 1: do there for kids, and that's what makes it awesome.
Speaker 1: You know, the different museums, um, things that they had
Speaker 1: down there on the waterway all that. Like, Portland's a
Speaker 1: good city for kids and in my opinion, for you know,
Speaker 1: for a relationship, because again, if your kids is happy,
Speaker 1: then you're not gonna have aggravated parents. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That aggravated parents is not gonna be an
Speaker 1: aggravated couple. That aggrevated couple ain't gonna have you know,
Speaker 1: all the bitter and fights and back and forth. But no,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a good time. I can say
Speaker 1: I truly enjoyed my life or my time in Portland's
Speaker 1: off the court, but you know what I mean, it
Speaker 1: was it was pretty good mess. Some lifelong friends out
Speaker 1: there too. Let's talk about on the court though, who
Speaker 1: was on that team, because you guys had a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some legendary names and stories behind that team.
Speaker 1: I played with a man Walk the Wizard, william Is
Speaker 1: with the knee Hives. I played with j R. Ryder
Speaker 1: right there. I played with my man Kenny Anderson, played
Speaker 1: with Pitt Steve Smith, played with Sabonus Jail, played with
Speaker 1: Kevin Duckworth. Yeah, j all right, Yeah did you get
Speaker 1: young Zebo? Oh yeah, that was my rookie, young Zach
Speaker 1: Ruben Patterson. Yeah, the quote unquote Kobe Stopper, the Kobe Stopper. Yet,
Speaker 1: I played with a lot of great guys on that
Speaker 1: Portland squad man for my six seven years out there.
Speaker 1: It was we were some athletes too. Man. We was
Speaker 1: up in y'all. B G lost the mine. Hey, that
Speaker 1: was That's what was the vibe though, Like the team
Speaker 1: like we had a special body. We felt like and
Speaker 1: go to State the first time. It seemed like that
Speaker 1: team was like all really funk with each other. Oh
Speaker 1: we did, we did. It was it was close knit,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, that's what made it a whole old
Speaker 1: team thing that like that, that team unity because we
Speaker 1: always would go out it would be at least six
Speaker 1: or seven of us. It was never um, no one
Speaker 1: person going out. And you know it was even at
Speaker 1: times when Big Si Bonus will go out to dinner
Speaker 1: with us and stuff like that. So that's that's what
Speaker 1: made that whole Portland vibe better. And then you know
Speaker 1: about more than half of the team was on that drove,
Speaker 1: so you know, you had that vibe right there. And
Speaker 1: we were all young and at the time in the club.
Speaker 1: That was our scene. But we always we always kept
Speaker 1: it respectable, you know what I'm saying. Nobody ever really
Speaker 1: uh caused too many problems off the court to bring
Speaker 1: it over on the court, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So we all had that respect level with each other
Speaker 1: and plus like man, we knew we could ball. That
Speaker 1: was the best stuff, straight up, you know, we we
Speaker 1: felt it though we were formidable foes with that whole
Speaker 1: you know, Mike Jordan's team and pipp and Hey going
Speaker 1: at their ask. I'm talking ship to Mike and how
Speaker 1: that workout, how that work out for you. We won
Speaker 1: the game. We won that game, but we're talking about Mike. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he came was bucket, So I'm talking junk to him,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, yeah, man, whatever, man, we're about
Speaker 1: to plush you all that. And I'm like, man, you
Speaker 1: get this little ass robbing off of me too. I'm
Speaker 1: talking big and he's like, all right, young fellow, keep talking.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I ain't scared of you. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonta guard you. O YO and JR. The whole time, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: shut up, same kg D JR. Right, that's the same
Speaker 1: set up. J Jr. Was like, man, shut up. We're
Speaker 1: playing them in Chicago. Exact story JJ is telling us
Speaker 1: A JR sotis for real. It's on everything. A lot
Speaker 1: of you know, getting JR. Beat them. We beat them
Speaker 1: in Chicago right that next night we had a double
Speaker 1: head of the next night were playing in Indiana. You
Speaker 1: know Reggie, the Davis Boys, Um, Derek McKee, you know
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson, that that whole squad and they beat us
Speaker 1: by like sixty five. So that was that was a
Speaker 1: classic from man like that Overnight Overnight you talk to
Speaker 1: us about the Kobe Stopper. Rubert Patterson did he believe that? Um?
Speaker 1: He played it? Well, at times he made him work.
Speaker 1: I mean at that time wanted to say that he
Speaker 1: probably did believe that. Um you know, Rube was a
Speaker 1: strong athletic dude. Um Cincinnati he was Yeah, well you
Speaker 1: know that's that's all they breed out of Cincinnati. He
Speaker 1: was another one just from then. He was country strong.
Speaker 1: That's a different strong. Like you just got too much
Speaker 1: going on fact fact and and ruby. You know, we
Speaker 1: was hyping it up because of course back then you
Speaker 1: also got to think of psychological warfare. So you know,
Speaker 1: we all we did. We just let the media here
Speaker 1: is and who hyping it up? Me and Bonds stop
Speaker 1: stop just like hyping it up. And then before the
Speaker 1: game they said to talked about it in the paper. Right.
Speaker 1: So during the game, code was like, um, came down,
Speaker 1: he did something, gave a bucketing somehow three or with
Speaker 1: a dunk or something. So we're on the line and
Speaker 1: then we're looking he was like Kobe stopper, huh and
Speaker 1: just shot his file shot went down for hey, cracking up.
Speaker 1: Dog was athletic. I think he probably could have played
Speaker 1: football and strongest. Yeah. Western Conference was loaded back then,
Speaker 1: particularly in the power for position. Now to me, that
Speaker 1: was the greatest era of power for basketball ever. It
Speaker 1: was Duncan Garnette. They threw shocking their webber Malone mcdice.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm missing some people, but night and night out,
Speaker 1: what was it like every single night in Western Conference? Hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta tie your shoes up, well, you drop strap up,
Speaker 1: because just when you think you got a night off,
Speaker 1: like you said, looking at mc dice, Tim, who got
Speaker 1: who got that fifteen footer downpack and with a vertical
Speaker 1: jumps out the gym? I thought I could jump crazy.
Speaker 1: She had a crazy leap bounced game. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then like you said, Plaine, you know you got way
Speaker 1: about there. Talk to us about how nice Sabonus if
Speaker 1: we would have got Sabonus in this prime in the NBA.
Speaker 1: How cold was s a bonus? Hey? For him to
Speaker 1: be that that older vet when I ran into him,
Speaker 1: Sibonus could pass his ass off. He just wasn't athletic
Speaker 1: at that time. You know, he still could pop that Jimmy.
Speaker 1: He was first one of the first sinners. Sinners to
Speaker 1: pop that three took shack out there a couple of times,
Speaker 1: you know, to pop the three man. I never saw
Speaker 1: a film of a young sabonus. You know I only
Speaker 1: heard the stories, but it was like when he was younger,
Speaker 1: and you know, of course more athletic. Oh he's putting
Speaker 1: cats in a bass and or nothing with him? Man
Speaker 1: like he played overseas for a long as time before
Speaker 1: he finally came to the US. You know, he didn't
Speaker 1: come over here until that. Yeah, if he, if he was,
Speaker 1: if he was in the NBA when he was younger,
Speaker 1: he probably could have said a couple of records, one
Speaker 1: a chip or something. Sure, when did you start stretching
Speaker 1: your game out? I know you had the mid range first,
Speaker 1: but you started stretching out to the three? You to me,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, one of the first ones that
Speaker 1: were really stretching it out there like that? When did that?
Speaker 1: When you put that back? That's all thanks to Uncle
Speaker 1: Cliffy rest in peace. Um that started in Portland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so playing the Lakers, and it was times where I
Speaker 1: had to switch on the shack and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not the biggest dude, you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: of course he got body masks on me and everything.
Speaker 1: So it's all I got, throwing a whole game, beat
Speaker 1: me up beat me up. So in the locker room,
Speaker 1: two ice packs, one on my ankle, and then I
Speaker 1: had the biggest ones on my elbows because of a
Speaker 1: couple of times where I thought I could quicken by
Speaker 1: coming over his shoulder and he both my elbow. So
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there fuck up there in the chair, right,
Speaker 1: and so Cliff walks by, he said, damn rock school.
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, you can't be doing that every night. Yo.
Speaker 1: He was like, the what you gotta do is He's like,
Speaker 1: you gotta take them outside sometimes too. He said, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to bump and grind with him
Speaker 1: and then go down the other end and play defense.
Speaker 1: He's like no, And as I thought about it, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, he right, But for me again thinking old
Speaker 1: school mentality, Yo, I didn't get paid to shoot threes,
Speaker 1: you know, so I got paid to get down there
Speaker 1: on them, chop blocks, rebounds, running the floor, block shots,
Speaker 1: all of that. So it just so happened that one year,
Speaker 1: Uh don't leave. He was the coach, and I think
Speaker 1: he wanted to start a bigger lineup with Sabonus at
Speaker 1: the five, Brian Grant at the four and three. That
Speaker 1: it worked some nights. I got my ask cook by
Speaker 1: Glenn Rice cooked bro I'm not used to all them
Speaker 1: screen job man, I'm running through them. I'm running through
Speaker 1: I can't back then, I didn't have to know how,
Speaker 1: you know, debating and going that way or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: all right, if we shut it off here, you know,
Speaker 1: I just had all that and the way that air
Speaker 1: once are set up, they didn't really give the mobility
Speaker 1: to get around the big It was tough. Man't no
Speaker 1: way you chased nobody. The foot ain't none of that
Speaker 1: sliding and off, none of it. But lit me up though,
Speaker 1: and that's that was my whole you know, start with
Speaker 1: the three experience and again watching Cliff and practice. So
Speaker 1: a lot of people think it started with me, but
Speaker 1: in my opinion, it started with Cliff and my other
Speaker 1: old head um Derk Coleman. You know when d C.
Speaker 1: D C had that mad handle accused when he came
Speaker 1: in the league, New Jersey, he was shooting threes to
Speaker 1: to be you know, six and eleven seven feet. So
Speaker 1: it started to me. It started with them too. But
Speaker 1: you made it more a little bit more numb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess so because of my big mouth and with
Speaker 1: both hands. Not in the game nine games, well in
Speaker 1: one game in the All Star Game, but yeah, the
Speaker 1: ability to the ability Yeah, uh two thousand Western Finals
Speaker 1: games set an up thirteam going into the fourth what's
Speaker 1: your thoughts going into the fourth quarter? We got this
Speaker 1: who he's about to see? Who used to see in
Speaker 1: the final? We're gonna run through Indiana. That's when they
Speaker 1: had no disrespect my man j Rose I love him,
Speaker 1: Detroit's findings, but they had Jay Rose Um. I think
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson might have still been on that team. Of course,
Speaker 1: Reggie the Davis Boys smits so was like, uh, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, we felt we felt as though
Speaker 1: that series against the Lakers was the championship game because
Speaker 1: of course you saw what they did to him, and
Speaker 1: we felt it though we would have beat them, they
Speaker 1: couldn't because they couldn't run with us. And I think
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I think, um, we either
Speaker 1: split or we want to oh doing the regular season.
Speaker 1: Your point of view on that live play arguably one
Speaker 1: of the greatest lives. They said, Kobe shook up top
Speaker 1: threw it up there the big fella. What's what are
Speaker 1: you thinking at that point? Yeah, you was under there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was under there. I'm in the picture. I ain't
Speaker 1: on front there. Um, I thought I could get it,
Speaker 1: so so check it. So, like you said, he got
Speaker 1: by Pitt. So it was to the point where I
Speaker 1: thought I could get him on a jab. So it
Speaker 1: was like a little fake jab and I tried to
Speaker 1: get him to throw a little sooner. So I really
Speaker 1: on the backstep, I really didn't really straight up, and
Speaker 1: it kept going over my hand and then big fella
Speaker 1: boom and ship. The rest was history. You know. That's
Speaker 1: to me. I think that was their deciding game on
Speaker 1: that dynasty that those guys had at that time. He
Speaker 1: was a part of it. But you definitely felt like
Speaker 1: that that Portland's team was capable of you guys all
Speaker 1: tail you could have won the championship that year for sure.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the greatest me honestly, one
Speaker 1: of the best teams never to win it. You had
Speaker 1: to respect us at every position, Dame in that point,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm say, Mighty Mouse, NBA Rookie of
Speaker 1: the Year, you know, Mr Toronto, all of that than Jr.
Speaker 1: Killer We had, Man, we had some great teams out there.
Speaker 1: I think one thing I remember that y'all started too.
Speaker 1: But y'all was the first team that was playing through
Speaker 1: your start your offense, through your big man, because y'all
Speaker 1: was posting up all your guards all the time. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, y'all was y'all was one of
Speaker 1: the first teams that was doing that consistently, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, giving it to the big man on
Speaker 1: the elbow and feeding the guards on the post because
Speaker 1: you'll was posting Bonds. Y'all was supposed to Steve Smith
Speaker 1: at the times. I was supposed to all the big goals,
Speaker 1: especially Bondsi and Smitty because they were so aggressive. That
Speaker 1: series was also the coming out party for Bonds. That
Speaker 1: Kobe what he went that cod and I think I
Speaker 1: think that's when Cold you know, like all right, you
Speaker 1: know all right, he gave him that respect, Bonds one
Speaker 1: at his ass did and that was that was a
Speaker 1: great game right there. I just sucks that I was
Speaker 1: going to losing any of it, but yeah, that's that
Speaker 1: was a great game. Right. We're gonna do la watching
Speaker 1: that ship, right, Yeah, we were u c l A
Speaker 1: watching that ship. Hell yeah, the whole comeback drinking beer
Speaker 1: watching that ship. We're didn't the name the jail Blazers
Speaker 1: come from. Was that the media out there or that's
Speaker 1: what it was here? How it's crazy because we're in
Speaker 1: such a crazy media space right now. But back then,
Speaker 1: they paint you with that picture. Y'all can't say ship
Speaker 1: understand what blazers was good enough because everybody smoked. You
Speaker 1: have to put jail on there. They did that for
Speaker 1: the rhyme with trail, but nobody ever go to jail,
Speaker 1: nobody ever getting a double or nothing like that. That's
Speaker 1: what they just painted that picture. And y'all didn't have
Speaker 1: a platform back then the station because because yeah, the
Speaker 1: black players that dressed in what they wanted. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: and that's what it was. You know, they weren't used
Speaker 1: to what we were doing all as far as how
Speaker 1: we were. You know, even though we did as far
Speaker 1: as team wise and individually, we did a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff in the community, kept respectable what I'm saying, on
Speaker 1: both sides of the trap. And every flight to game
Speaker 1: you had probably about ten pounds on the plane. Nobody
Speaker 1: got caught, So cut it out, man, that's back. They
Speaker 1: didn't check nothing. Yeah, but I got a story that
Speaker 1: was that was before no one the leven. I got
Speaker 1: a story. I was playing in San Antonio. Bonds to
Speaker 1: tell the story to our Bonds, Like, Bro, what's up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, pull up, you know we're gonna smoke
Speaker 1: a couple of shill. He knocked on my door. Just
Speaker 1: the whole team, like Buzzy, the whole team. I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, bro, the whole team. I'm like, so they
Speaker 1: got the team, bust out there. But I'm just saying, so,
Speaker 1: now I got the I got the whole team in
Speaker 1: my house. I gotta play out the more. I ain't
Speaker 1: cool with all y'all got the whole team, like Bonds,
Speaker 1: come on, But they brought the whole team. We smoked
Speaker 1: out Bro. But that's just how they just how he
Speaker 1: did it, just how we did and go to state.
Speaker 1: Yeah for real. That's but that was all part of
Speaker 1: our camaraderie, you know what I'm saying. And the whole team. Dog,
Speaker 1: I would rather have that than you know, cats going
Speaker 1: out here getting liquored up and you know, hurting himself
Speaker 1: saying with the powder, playing with any of that. None
Speaker 1: of that smoked me a joint. I've always been that way.
Speaker 1: That's all I need. Kobe Philly native such as yourself. Uh,
Speaker 1: what's your some of your best memberis with code playing
Speaker 1: against him, with them playing against him. Um, I got
Speaker 1: I do. Got one. Just one little quick Kobe story
Speaker 1: to offer the court. Um, it's actually happened out here
Speaker 1: again through Niko. He was both our Nike reps and
Speaker 1: I think Nike was doing a party or something at
Speaker 1: tow and Um, Kobe had his wife and at the
Speaker 1: time I was married and so I had my wife,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was just we shared the evening together,
Speaker 1: shared the booth, and truth be told. Man. It wasn't
Speaker 1: even really no real basketball talk. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was just life. You know what I'm saying Because
Speaker 1: I know his family. Um, you know, he knows my
Speaker 1: mom all of that. So it's going back his pop JB.
Speaker 1: Jelly Bean. That's that's my guy. So it was just
Speaker 1: man family talk talking about, you know, coming up in
Speaker 1: sunny Hill, because he came up probably like a year
Speaker 1: or two after me, through like the Sunny Hill programs
Speaker 1: and stuff in Philly, and we was just talking about
Speaker 1: that in life, man. So it wasn't it wasn't even
Speaker 1: nothing about no basketball or you know, we got you
Speaker 1: all in two weeks. We're gonna bust your ass. Wasn't
Speaker 1: even none of that was just life, man, That's what's
Speaker 1: supposed to that's what That's what made that hot, shut out,
Speaker 1: sunny man billy legend. You got one of the most
Speaker 1: unbreakable records, probably in the history of the NBA. I
Speaker 1: don't know, forty one text in one season. They changed
Speaker 1: They changed the rules because of you. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: changed the rules because of you. Yeah. You all talking
Speaker 1: about some of the referees you had battles with and
Speaker 1: just how the hell it just happened so much A
Speaker 1: lot of its reputation, but of course, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Now I'll say this, early on in my career, where
Speaker 1: if I felt as though things were unjust, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: use a lot of profanity. So you're right, a lot
Speaker 1: of them I did. But as I got older, came
Speaker 1: more of a vet and I got to know more
Speaker 1: than cheating reps that was back out. Then it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I know this person, how he going ref
Speaker 1: and this and that that of that, So now I
Speaker 1: don't even have to cuss. So now I'll just say
Speaker 1: little stuff like m I got that email hunt or
Speaker 1: you know what two mm hmm, yeah, I know what
Speaker 1: it is. How how do you get a technical foul?
Speaker 1: You're going to the basket. All you're trying to do
Speaker 1: is score, You get foul, and you get a technical foul?
Speaker 1: Who called it? Joey Jack playing Cleveland in Cleveland, so
Speaker 1: you know that heated rivalry when I was in Detroit.
Speaker 1: So I got the ball on the post boom, So
Speaker 1: I'm going, I'm going that ill galskis and give him
Speaker 1: a move and I go to the middle and here
Speaker 1: comes vera gile Wamn climbers everybody, right, all three of
Speaker 1: us fall to the ground and Jack stands over. Gave
Speaker 1: all three attack, right, So you know I'm getting up.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening. Right, Wait, how the hell
Speaker 1: I get attacked? I'm trying to score the ball. I
Speaker 1: ain't you know, I ain't do no dirty plays and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to score the ball. And then you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, that's what we were told to do
Speaker 1: if it's any rough stuff. I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I got you already got kicked a whole lot of stuff. Man.
Speaker 1: Of course, y'all know I wasn't I wasn't the favorite
Speaker 1: by by the league, rest all of that, you know,
Speaker 1: But I went back at them too. Definitely my career
Speaker 1: house about fifteen on the season. I think I got
Speaker 1: up to fifteen. He almost tripled that though. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, but I'm saying, I'm just saying, I'm yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had I had my run to how much? How
Speaker 1: much for text back then? Were they a thousand? Because
Speaker 1: then she jumped up to by the time Jones, it
Speaker 1: was five hundred of pop, not not when they happened
Speaker 1: when they came out with the sheet route. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: does she rule you get sixteen texs, and with each
Speaker 1: tech as it goes up towards that sixteen, yeah, that
Speaker 1: fine becomes higher and the suspension come and then the
Speaker 1: suspension comes for the sixteen tech, and then if it
Speaker 1: goes up to I think it's it was twenty or
Speaker 1: twenty one. It was a couple more games, and this
Speaker 1: and that and this and that, it won't on and on.
Speaker 1: So you got every other game, and you have every
Speaker 1: other game at least a tech on everything. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Half of the time, like you said, half
Speaker 1: the time, it was the rep though after at that
Speaker 1: time was the rep I ain't have to do nothing.
Speaker 1: So that's what it was. When I was getting them
Speaker 1: a pop. Hated it, so it was worth it though,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that was worth it. Yeah, I'm yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I never regretted they had rest in their area.
Speaker 1: There was there was. They were shaving on the game too,
Speaker 1: so I can imagine. I remember, I remember Ron Ron
Speaker 1: calls some bullshit and you're just staring at him. Bang
Speaker 1: bang too, and throw you out quick. You're staring and
Speaker 1: you didn't say one word. How do you know if
Speaker 1: I'm staring at you for the rest of the game,
Speaker 1: you didn't say a word. That's the bull that But
Speaker 1: I knew, but you know, I knew what it was. Um,
Speaker 1: A lot of it was part of the business, you know,
Speaker 1: the big, big Lakers city Portland with a small market
Speaker 1: and then again playing in Detroit. You know, I knew
Speaker 1: it wasn't that much love as far as you know,
Speaker 1: league wide with them, because of course would have been
Speaker 1: a black urban city and the whole bad boys thing
Speaker 1: and this and that. So yeah, I ain't worried about it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think my young fellow might get
Speaker 1: me though he might. Yeah, Draymon might get me. You might.
Speaker 1: He the only one I can see that that might
Speaker 1: come close. Yeah. Third on the list though, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm not that high overall. And third on
Speaker 1: the list behind Um Barkley and Karl Malone. Really, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: some great company, and I think I think robbing his
Speaker 1: fourth right behind me two four finals with the Legos.
Speaker 1: The national media say you have a shot at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know the tree help job block it out.
Speaker 1: But how did job block? We knew we could do.
Speaker 1: We was ready, man, we was ready. You know, we
Speaker 1: had the mass scientists pound for pound. Larry Brown did
Speaker 1: a whole little flip with the playoff scheme. Bro It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you got your normal players you're running throughout
Speaker 1: the year. So let's say you're gonna call it to circle.
Speaker 1: So on the scouting report, you know when we play y'all,
Speaker 1: don when we play, you all the same thing playoff
Speaker 1: time or in a big game, that two circle you're
Speaker 1: all gonna be expecting, YO wash your pin down on
Speaker 1: that week side. That ball ain't even gonna go to
Speaker 1: that change. He changed the whole scheme up. The same
Speaker 1: thing on defense, and that was the same thing that
Speaker 1: coach Schmith used to do down in Carolina in big games.
Speaker 1: And Yo, Larry Brown is a mass scientist. Bro. He
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. He got his style. You know,
Speaker 1: look at the love hate that he had with you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We have not one thing.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know how that man is here here,
Speaker 1: wizard back there and until a playoff time we we played,
Speaker 1: We played, I'm talking about his team. Yeah, nobody got there,
Speaker 1: but he swept us. We played, but we knew it though. Man,
Speaker 1: we we just felt that we were more hungry, um
Speaker 1: at least for for their their big two with Shaq
Speaker 1: and Kobe. We felt like, all right, they got a
Speaker 1: couple of rings, so they might not be as hungry,
Speaker 1: and we were all all in sync. It was it
Speaker 1: y'all just was on y'all ship or y'all felt it
Speaker 1: was a little off. We wasn't worried about them period
Speaker 1: at all. Everybody was talking all that job. I think
Speaker 1: I said it in the interview with him, like, man,
Speaker 1: we don't care what these cats. Ain't nobody scared of them.
Speaker 1: We're worried about us. We know we do what we're
Speaker 1: supposed to do. We're gonna win. We know if we
Speaker 1: mess up somewhere along that line, they're gonna win. So
Speaker 1: we weren't worried about the pick and roll plays. We
Speaker 1: wasn't worried about you know, double team in shock or
Speaker 1: none of that. Nah, everybody stay home, Ben got him,
Speaker 1: everybody stay home. No, let's go. Ty did a hell
Speaker 1: of a job on code, Let's get it. We weren't
Speaker 1: scared of him at all. Bro how big was chunce
Speaker 1: obviously big shot, mastermind. He controlled it all at the time.
Speaker 1: I didn't see d Fisher being d Fisher like like
Speaker 1: the point he was back then when you know, the
Speaker 1: Lakers first had their a few runs at the Chick.
Speaker 1: So again it could be registered to maybe they weren't
Speaker 1: again as hungry, but oh no, Chauncey came up big.
Speaker 1: You know. He was a classic point guard. Any weakness
Speaker 1: out there, he saw, called it out. So lb let
Speaker 1: him let him do his thing because he trusted him
Speaker 1: like that. And so Chauncy down there, I oh, miss
Speaker 1: matt Hey, so and so, and then we know right away,
Speaker 1: all right, Tay gonna come through boom this and that boom,
Speaker 1: and it was it was easy man, we we were
Speaker 1: so damn confident, yo. So we're on a plane. First
Speaker 1: two games we beat the first game. Second game, um
Speaker 1: covid a great shot to get him that dub. So
Speaker 1: we're like, all right, and this back when it was
Speaker 1: two three two, So we're on a plane, you know.
Speaker 1: So then Chauncey, Rip and Tay they played cards and
Speaker 1: it was a couch just like this. So I'm sitting here,
Speaker 1: Lindsay Hunter sitting there. So everybody you know, doing anything,
Speaker 1: We're just watching them. And then it was all like
Speaker 1: it was kind of eerie for real, for real. At
Speaker 1: the same moment, it was all we was thinking the
Speaker 1: same ship. Y'all know, we can't go back there, right
Speaker 1: because if we go back there for six or seven,
Speaker 1: y'all know what's gonna happen. And that's when we came
Speaker 1: out for that for that game three four and five. Hey,
Speaker 1: I just gave him everything we had from Bartom trying
Speaker 1: to run him out the gym. Then you know, at
Speaker 1: the time, um Melman was hurting and all their power,
Speaker 1: Fors was hurting, had mad Danko on me, and it
Speaker 1: was we had fun though with it, man, We have fun.
Speaker 1: And when it happened when that clock read zero is
Speaker 1: bro my life flash like that, well, my beginning of
Speaker 1: my basketball life flash like that. It took me all
Speaker 1: the way back from the time I grew up in
Speaker 1: the streets of Philadelphia to playground Boom, coming up in
Speaker 1: middle school, Simon Grass, all that stuff there North Carolina.
Speaker 1: You know, early on in my NBA career, going through
Speaker 1: all this stuff with the rest and you know, the
Speaker 1: league all of like that, I was like, damn, it
Speaker 1: don't matter. No, it's like, we got a chance right now,
Speaker 1: we don't out of the world. We're sipping the juice
Speaker 1: on top of the mountain and that's how we felt.
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's swagger we were rolling with. That's
Speaker 1: why I got the belts. That's why I got the
Speaker 1: belts for that swagger. And then that next season everywhere,
Speaker 1: that's why we all carry the belts to the games, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we did the chance. Looked at that ship like wrestling
Speaker 1: with what the champ do when he come into the
Speaker 1: wrestling ring and it's and it's it's love because every
Speaker 1: time every finals just see it bringing backs. We memory, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's like you're gonna post something a ring I remember
Speaker 1: this happening. You know, Rip just recently post something about
Speaker 1: the little finals back then, show this ring and stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's like that nostalgia. Man, it's take it where
Speaker 1: you celebrate the chip at the alice. We stayed at
Speaker 1: the palace all night to like about nonten. That next morning, damn,
Speaker 1: we was drinking. I lived like about less than a
Speaker 1: mill from the palace, so you know, the brothers who
Speaker 1: indulged in the drow ran in my crib real quick,
Speaker 1: boom bang, ran back up to the palace, and we
Speaker 1: was grubbing and drinking all night. I didn't take my
Speaker 1: uniform are. All I did was cut my tape off
Speaker 1: and changed my sneakers. I still have my tights, the
Speaker 1: same blood stings on this jersey. Everything kept that on
Speaker 1: their headband, like y'all was in your house with your
Speaker 1: Detroit Piston uniforms are smoking, and then went back to
Speaker 1: the palace. I was I love it because it was
Speaker 1: just our family up there all night, our family and friends.
Speaker 1: You have people in the organization already knew what I did.
Speaker 1: So I was hoping you just gonna tell you live
Speaker 1: up in the locker room. That's what I was hoping
Speaker 1: or I couldn't do that one on them, but I
Speaker 1: know I can't share that one either. Who celebrated the hardest?
Speaker 1: We all did. The team celebrated. We had a mottel
Speaker 1: on and off we go hard on the court, we
Speaker 1: go hard off. We had that model. We just didn't win.
Speaker 1: No championship for sure for short on and off that
Speaker 1: that all that next year too. Damn there in every
Speaker 1: city we want to had a party, right. So we're
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, so we all again that was another team
Speaker 1: where we all hung out with each other deep, no
Speaker 1: matter what's city. So we're in Atlanta. We all want
Speaker 1: to dinner and we pull up to this club. So
Speaker 1: it's about four cabs right before Uber, Yeah before Uber.
Speaker 1: Four casts pull up to this club and we all
Speaker 1: get out. Boom boom, boom boom. So Lindsay first in line,
Speaker 1: and you know he's a little pitbull, so he drunk.
Speaker 1: So walking in security, ball like hoh ho dog. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you gotta see some I D or something.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta check you all y'all can't just
Speaker 1: walk in like that. He's like what what She's like? Man?
Speaker 1: You know who we is He's like, look, look all
Speaker 1: these cats. You know who we are. He's like, a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I got my I D right here,
Speaker 1: you're right, show them our I D. And just at
Speaker 1: that time, I had my ring on, So I showed
Speaker 1: the dude the ring and Lindsey was like, that's my
Speaker 1: I D and walked on in the joint. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh he was gangster for that. But when you're the champ,
Speaker 1: you know you yeah, yeah, when they put up a statue,
Speaker 1: what jameson, will it be a poland probably be it
Speaker 1: would be Detroit. Detroit. You know, it was to us
Speaker 1: doing what we did there offense and defense, you know,
Speaker 1: ship we helped you want to chip in the truck,
Speaker 1: but you made your hate and yeah, yeah we all did.
Speaker 1: We all were misfits in one way or another, you
Speaker 1: know me Chauncey RiPP Ben, you know, the only one
Speaker 1: who was natural on that team was Take because that
Speaker 1: was the team drafted him. But yeah, we all were something, somehow,
Speaker 1: some way a misfit on there. So I would think
Speaker 1: it's Detroit, you know, just just with the love and
Speaker 1: the effect of the city. Yeah, it was awesome. Okay,
Speaker 1: before we go to that, because I thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be on the just give me your little quick
Speaker 1: overview of the brawl. So anybody never asked you about it.
Speaker 1: You was there. I tell people all the time. You
Speaker 1: came and saved me, and people don't know I was
Speaker 1: really out there having my way in them stands, y'all.
Speaker 1: I'm telling me, I ran through everybody like bo Jackson.
Speaker 1: But even though we got to sit on the court,
Speaker 1: my brother ran up to the stands and make sure
Speaker 1: I was straight doing all that. So you know, I
Speaker 1: gotta get your toes. That was wild. You know, it
Speaker 1: was game. And another thing a lot of people don't know,
Speaker 1: y'all were beating that game, beating ship out of y'all. Right,
Speaker 1: so y'all was only up like thirteen four terms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so National team was the biggest game of the season
Speaker 1: at the beginning of that just one, yeah, y'all, And
Speaker 1: you know, y'all just beat out of them in these commers,
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. That whole bitterness from that. You know,
Speaker 1: it was small Jermaine one of the real bad too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of it was all the smoke.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was um, but no dog, it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was magical. It was magical. And I say that
Speaker 1: because it was more than basketball at that time. When
Speaker 1: I did go up in the stands and getting that
Speaker 1: that's my young fellow, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: at the time, I think Stern was pretty adamant about
Speaker 1: us going into the stands or you know, really reacting
Speaker 1: in the negative way with the fans. So of course
Speaker 1: things happened on the court, right, you know, Ben pushed
Speaker 1: the soul out of run Ryan want laid down. I
Speaker 1: had to get my soul back at me because I
Speaker 1: felt it. I felt I was lost. And when Brian
Speaker 1: One laid on the table, you know, the fan through
Speaker 1: the joint and all hell broke loose. Right, So but
Speaker 1: before that, you know, I'm just trying to hold separate everybody,
Speaker 1: like all right, no, y'all not working with my guys.
Speaker 1: You know, we're all friends. So it wasn't like we
Speaker 1: were naturally really going at them. But if you are
Speaker 1: going against somebody you don't like, it just goes all
Speaker 1: that's gonna come out. So the fan through the drawing boom,
Speaker 1: I see ron Jack going the stands. Then Germine was
Speaker 1: messing with a fan or something. One of the fans
Speaker 1: got bold and came on the court. He was doing
Speaker 1: something over there. I'm like, oh, ship, So I ran
Speaker 1: in the stands, and that's when you were the first one.
Speaker 1: You were closer because I wanted to grab, try to
Speaker 1: grab you and run and I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: was like, and it's the last thing he's young cast
Speaker 1: needs because now I was like, bore, gonna try to
Speaker 1: make an example and throw the book out. You know.
Speaker 1: You then you're swinging and hitting fans and so you know,
Speaker 1: that's the main thing that the NBA he was connecting to.
Speaker 1: He wasn't having my way that I was having my way.
Speaker 1: I ain't, but I ain't patting myself on the back.
Speaker 1: I was having my way. I'm trying to like, yo,
Speaker 1: come on, let's go, you know, get back in there.
Speaker 1: Out of all of that, you know, I was the
Speaker 1: one that didn't get fined. I didn't get fired out
Speaker 1: of that whole little mallets at the palace. I didn't
Speaker 1: get fined at all or suspended the bad guy man
Speaker 1: and the bad guy. I was like, wow, it's crazy,
Speaker 1: but no. I hated to see that though. But you
Speaker 1: got up there. We all start running back to the court.
Speaker 1: Man had to man looked at you. You got everybody tension.
Speaker 1: Everybody started going back to the court. Had to man.
Speaker 1: A lot of people said, it's lucky that the arena
Speaker 1: wasn't that part of the city. Part of the city.
Speaker 1: I said that where he was that was now enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we see, and that's a bringing because with us playing there,
Speaker 1: there was like, um, you know, and it was always
Speaker 1: and in Detroit at the palace that the palaces in
Speaker 1: Auburn Hills. That ain't Detroit. That's an hour away from
Speaker 1: Detroit the city. But like you said, if right now
Speaker 1: Little Caesars, if that would have happened, then man cracking.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was crazy though, Man, that was that
Speaker 1: was a crazy night. Man, there I got. I had
Speaker 1: like at least over two d text messages. You cannot
Speaker 1: be here and we're not talked about that dog. That
Speaker 1: was alright, man, we're coming down the home stretch right now. Quick.
Speaker 1: Kidder's first team to come to mind, you plus four
Speaker 1: players that you played within your career and your coach
Speaker 1: who would that be? What coach would you pick and
Speaker 1: what four players would you put with you? That's unfair question.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be biased for sure from your team from
Speaker 1: the teams. He's gonna say that it's the best five
Speaker 1: a lot and that coach is pound for pounds. Okay,
Speaker 1: Larry Brown the best five a lot. And there's no
Speaker 1: disrespect to any of my other teammates because they're my brethren,
Speaker 1: you know. But I think we felt as though we
Speaker 1: were at the pinnacle of of our of our craft
Speaker 1: right there and couldn't nobody in the world touches. That's
Speaker 1: why you know, we coined ourselves nickname Afraid the Best
Speaker 1: five a Lot because we felt we were that that
Speaker 1: tightening as long as we suspended one night in Vegas
Speaker 1: all expenses paid. Three give me three people. You go,
Speaker 1: you're rocking with all expenses paid. Now, we don't hear
Speaker 1: that often. I don't know. I gotta think some party animals, bro,
Speaker 1: And you know I don't playing with some party animals.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Bro, that's who because because because a
Speaker 1: lot a lot can go on. I mean, you're talking
Speaker 1: about back in the drinking days or just the smoking days,
Speaker 1: all expenses page your best times send me. Gave me
Speaker 1: that question. I came on um so for she Wace's
Speaker 1: greatest hit in Las Vegas, for sure, for sure, I
Speaker 1: have to bring my young fello out here, my young
Speaker 1: fellow Bonds, Oh, no question, Bonds, Bonds would be there.
Speaker 1: I would have to say, my man, Gary Trent hate
Speaker 1: Dad's Bonds Senior Senior, I hate. Wow. That's tough. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: We'll come back to it. Yeah, I got him. Come
Speaker 1: back to What album can you listen to with no skips?
Speaker 1: R and B R RAT whatever you want telling you
Speaker 1: can listen to. You know, he a different type of crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he different with this. He listened to everything, UM, R
Speaker 1: and B. It don't matter. It could be uh, it
Speaker 1: could be married, could be some Erica Baidude the nineties
Speaker 1: married early Mary Um when she was gonna through some Ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can feel that the whole album. Yeah, um that
Speaker 1: um trial called quest. First two albums as far as
Speaker 1: hip hop go, red Man, what the album? Um, He's
Speaker 1: gonna be all over R and B. I can go
Speaker 1: with tweet. I like the artist tweet her first Southern Hummingbird.
Speaker 1: She could go through that all way through Jazz and
Speaker 1: Sulliman of course, Wu Tang give me give me that
Speaker 1: double CD. Yeah, I could do that all way through
Speaker 1: D'Angelo first album, Forever Forever and D'Angelo that uh that
Speaker 1: Brown Sugar album. Mm hmm, go with a little bit
Speaker 1: of Icentina. I mean to bring it back. You're gonna
Speaker 1: bring it back on hey, Like he said, I'm across
Speaker 1: the range. I said, I don't know why you asked that,
Speaker 1: having all day right there, piece of advice you would
Speaker 1: give your younger self. Calm a fun down when you
Speaker 1: feel like that kicked in, you know when I started
Speaker 1: having kids. But you know, at that point, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I looked at it as now I'm not living for me,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm living for them. So now, um, some
Speaker 1: of the things my mom was saying about me being
Speaker 1: careful in the streets and all that just you being saved.
Speaker 1: But you also gotta protect your family name. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I would just say, probably calmed down. Um. And it
Speaker 1: was because I started a family young and that that
Speaker 1: changed my view on a whole lot of things with
Speaker 1: life again. Started wearing seatbelts, started caring about where I went,
Speaker 1: who I was seeing, with what I was doing to
Speaker 1: make sure that I didn't bring embarrassment. And it happened
Speaker 1: one time, and I felt the raft from my wife
Speaker 1: and my kids. When when Damon and I got caught
Speaker 1: up in that uh whole little uh ship coming back
Speaker 1: from Seattle and a little speeding ticket, and um so
Speaker 1: the cop let us go. He had us out there
Speaker 1: for an hour. For those who don't know what happened, well,
Speaker 1: just back when Seattle um Sonics were I had a
Speaker 1: professional team. So Portland's only two hours away. So you know,
Speaker 1: a coach let us ride back. Those who wanted to
Speaker 1: drive back, they let him ride back on the bus.
Speaker 1: I mean, excuse me on your own like we did
Speaker 1: when we played Secon. So it's me Damon, and he
Speaker 1: got his homie driving driving and um so you know
Speaker 1: we boom, boom, boom and bang of jay banging jay.
Speaker 1: I bang a jay, he banging jay and boom that's it.
Speaker 1: So we ride down and join music talking ship and
Speaker 1: you know he told him like slow down a little bit.
Speaker 1: But at the same time that's when the cop nap.
Speaker 1: So you know, he had us out there for a while.
Speaker 1: He was like, man, I smelled a marijuana. Where's the drugs? Like,
Speaker 1: hey dog, we ain't got nothing like you late. If
Speaker 1: you would have popped us, maybe like fift twenty minutes ago,
Speaker 1: you could have, but like, we ain't had nothing, you late,
Speaker 1: So he bought the dogs out. He bought like two
Speaker 1: three more cruisers out. Who rides bias the team bus?
Speaker 1: A fucking team And I'm like, damn, that's damn right.
Speaker 1: So of course we're still out there afterwards. You know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing they could do. So did they stop or
Speaker 1: keep it moving? They had to keep it moving? But
Speaker 1: what could they do? You know, you had all the
Speaker 1: other players there, so you know, of course, you know
Speaker 1: they called this and stuff. But so we're riding home
Speaker 1: the cop let us go and everything. We're riding home
Speaker 1: and Biggs like, Yo, you think this Joe going gonna
Speaker 1: make you know, sports in and all that. I'm like, dog,
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't. I don't think so, No, it's
Speaker 1: a speeding ticket. I'm like what the hell? So I
Speaker 1: go home. I'm sleep, you know, I wake up to
Speaker 1: some heat. Like I'm like, yo, what what what would
Speaker 1: I do? What I do? What happened? What happened last night?
Speaker 1: What do you mean what happened last night? On your
Speaker 1: drive back from Seattle? I'm like, nothing, we got a
Speaker 1: speeding ticket? What? She turned the TV on that she
Speaker 1: was all over Sports Center and they made it seem like,
Speaker 1: you know, we had weed in the car and all
Speaker 1: of that, but it wasn't no weed in a car,
Speaker 1: you know, like like I said, he had a J.
Speaker 1: I had a J and it was already smoking. So
Speaker 1: y'all know how the pre rolls go. That's it's gone.
Speaker 1: And it's not like we was traveling with an abundance.
Speaker 1: You know, we knew how it was coming on that ride.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, man, I don't know, it ain't nothing
Speaker 1: happened and this and that. So my wife got it
Speaker 1: at the time I was married. My wife got it
Speaker 1: from you know, some of her friends locally, and then
Speaker 1: my kids got it at school, so you know, it
Speaker 1: was the other kids. You know, oh, your dad's on
Speaker 1: drugs and all of that. So my kids coming home
Speaker 1: to me, you know, asking and crying and this and that.
Speaker 1: So you know, hey, I never beat around the bush
Speaker 1: with my kids. So I told him what it was,
Speaker 1: and from there on it was like, okay, but that's
Speaker 1: the only time. Like the technical stuff on the court,
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. They see that. They watched
Speaker 1: that on TV with basketball all the time. But no,
Speaker 1: you never want to bring nothing home to embarrass your family.
Speaker 1: So That's what I would tell my younger. So if
Speaker 1: you can have one guest on all the Smoke, who
Speaker 1: would it be? But you have to help us get
Speaker 1: your answer on the show. But Zeke Zeke, he knows
Speaker 1: who Zeke is. Zeke so. Zeke is a brother of
Speaker 1: mine from Detroit, Amazed, same brother to me. He's probably
Speaker 1: modern day. Uh, he would be Newton in that in
Speaker 1: that form what he does for the community and all
Speaker 1: around the country. Man. Uh. He got a he got
Speaker 1: a company called new Era, and they got chapters in
Speaker 1: every almost every state in our country. And they just
Speaker 1: go back, go um, give back and go to communities,
Speaker 1: especially community. But they're doing a lot of killing that
Speaker 1: I'm telling They show up with you hall full of
Speaker 1: stuff and it's their own money too. So I think
Speaker 1: Zeke definitely deserves a platform. And at the end, we
Speaker 1: got we got history together too, because we didn't been.
Speaker 1: Jack came up the flint with me to pass out
Speaker 1: goods for their families and people. We we you know,
Speaker 1: we're going door to door. You know. All we hear
Speaker 1: is some chanting and we see a lot of brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters walking by, you know, and all black. They
Speaker 1: got to u hauls and we're like, damn, who that?
Speaker 1: And you know, throughout our courses we ended up crossing
Speaker 1: paths through the neighborhood is doing the same things. And
Speaker 1: you know, we've just been cool with brothers Zeke since then.
Speaker 1: And again the brothers and sisters that new every Detroit
Speaker 1: day amazed. They do a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: great things for the community. And man, that's what it's about. Man,
Speaker 1: It's it's about these babies right here. Man. And while
Speaker 1: he's saying it, because he started me on that mission
Speaker 1: to give back. You know, we're talking about Flint and
Speaker 1: Zeke was Zeke doing dog is just amazing that he's
Speaker 1: doing it out his own pocket. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He's not rich by no type of means. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that. You know they have a DJ
Speaker 1: so it's just it's just a whole vibe. So, like
Speaker 1: I said, that's Zeke is a dope person to have
Speaker 1: to find him well, she Man, we appreciate your time
Speaker 1: for sure. Man, love you guys, no doubt. Man. That's
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