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Speaker 1: Welcome back, all the smoke, beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada hot,

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Speaker 1: when the Legend suite here at the wind. Jack's good, bro,

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Speaker 1: feeling good, happy to be in Vegas. Man. We had

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Speaker 1: a special opportunity to grab our but we were trying

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Speaker 1: to get this duce in season one. Man, we finally

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Speaker 1: caught him right before he was about to leave Vegas,

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Speaker 1: and he's here with us. Man, Welcome was she Wallace? Man?

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Bro. I a glad to be here already,

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Speaker 1: know that. So what's going on with you right now?

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Speaker 1: How's life? What's going on? Man? Can't complain? Can't complain?

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Speaker 1: Enjoin it? Man, you know, just being a dad, a granddad, grandad.

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Speaker 1: You tried to skip over that kind of fast bro. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm a grandpap. No, I'm not ashamed of It's that

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Speaker 1: next level. Man, it's a blessing. I got two granddaughters

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Speaker 1: went on the way, um, so you know I'm blessed. Man.

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Speaker 1: I can't complain about nothing. Yeah, glad to hear that.

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Speaker 1: For the raising, Philly, I've been up with you a

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Speaker 1: million times. Just got a street named after you. Simon

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Speaker 1: Gratz talk about how important it is to have the

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Speaker 1: identity you have now and Philly, man, it's it's it's huge,

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Speaker 1: it's huge. You know, I'm involving some little small private

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Speaker 1: business stuff around there too. That's again for the city,

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Speaker 1: for the community. It's a blessing. Man, It's a blessing

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Speaker 1: to have a road named after me. And I didn't

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Speaker 1: do it by myself. You know, y'all know the old

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Speaker 1: saying it takes a village to raise a child. And

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Speaker 1: you know, for me to be where I am today,

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of people that helped pave the way.

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Speaker 1: And you know that kicked my ass along the way

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Speaker 1: if I got out of line with anything, you know,

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Speaker 1: class on my mouth for whatever. I felt like it

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Speaker 1: was all of us. You know what I'm saying. It

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Speaker 1: was it was my mom um is, my dad, my aunt's, uncles,

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Speaker 1: my brothers, everybody like that was something that that I

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Speaker 1: can stand on for the family, you know what I'm saying. Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, Murals. Don't get me wrong, Murals is nice.

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Speaker 1: It's good for the community. You get to see you

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Speaker 1: know this and that. But you know, a crazy when

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Speaker 1: you know you put it on GPS and seriously, like right,

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Speaker 1: turn on Rashid while it's what you do down playing

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Speaker 1: and that's big. No, I know that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: It's it's used for my family, and you know that's

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Speaker 1: that's what I That's what I look at it more.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm excited about it, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 1: But I mean Dann for like the grandkid's gonna say

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Speaker 1: it like you know my greats. You know it's it's

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Speaker 1: in the books. Man. You can't take it away, can't.

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Speaker 1: I said Simon Grass for a lot of people to

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Speaker 1: know what I was saying what I was talking about.

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Speaker 1: But you know basketball fact, when did basketball come into

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Speaker 1: to play your life way before? Simon Grass? And who

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Speaker 1: was the players you idolized? Well growing up? Of course,

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Speaker 1: Um it's only one in Philly, you know Dr j R.

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Speaker 1: That was That was my man, you know, because one

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Speaker 1: everybody in my house loved him, My mom, you know,

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Speaker 1: my brothers, all of that. Everybody loved him. Um, so

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Speaker 1: you know. And I really didn't understand basketball too much

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Speaker 1: growing up because I was a track and field guy.

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Speaker 1: That's what I grew up with. That's my first love

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Speaker 1: all day, every day before basketball. It was track and field,

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Speaker 1: so just watching basketball. Of course. The only reason I

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Speaker 1: had to. My middle brother, Mohammed, that's the dunker. You know.

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Speaker 1: but he on your neck, I'm telling you. And I

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people think that it started with me,

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Speaker 1: the Dean Smith recruits you personally, Yes, yes, the great one,

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Speaker 1: the great one, rest for sure. I remember watching them

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Speaker 1: I knew you, I knew it feels for it was

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Speaker 1: them too. And I'm like, like, coach, what y'are doing here?

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Speaker 1: You know you're supposed to be celebrating y'all just won

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Speaker 1: the national championship. You know, I don't know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: back to business, you know. We let the kids celebrate

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Speaker 1: his back to business, but they came up That right

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Speaker 1: there showed me a lot. I'm like, damn, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: they ain't even thinking about the you know, the present

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Speaker 1: look what's next? What's next? And man, coach Smith, great

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Speaker 1: basketball mind, great basketball mind. It was. It was sad

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Speaker 1: to see him, you know, just have that dementia and

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Speaker 1: the whole it needs you to go through that whole

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Speaker 1: thing for him having such a great mind, man, great person.

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Speaker 1: To any other schools you thought about, yeah, yeah, of

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Speaker 1: course locally, UM Temple with coach Cheney, John Cheney. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I still get flat about that to this day.

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Speaker 1: UM Villanova when they had Roli Massamino, coach Thompson rest

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Speaker 1: in peace. I got flat from him to UM along

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Speaker 1: my career when I saw him. But there are my

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Speaker 1: four schools, M Villanova, Temple, Georgetown, and Caroline. You got

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Speaker 1: any classic Dean Smith stores, Why don't you can remember? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's one. It's one out there that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: sess straight with something. So so we were in practice, right,

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Speaker 1: So now I knew the concept of the team game,

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Speaker 1: we're in practice and we moving, moving the balls moving around,

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Speaker 1: He's like stop, stop, stop, and I'm like, Dad, I

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Speaker 1: Why are you shooting the ball like that? You know?

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Speaker 1: I was like, coach, I was open, So here it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm a young board now I'm thinking I'm still being respectful.

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Speaker 1: But it was rhetorical questions that he was asking me,

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Speaker 1: the dumb freshman. And here he is and the guys look,

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Speaker 1: the old heads looking at me like like the felts,

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Speaker 1: it was a bad shot. You shouldn't have shot it anyway. Hey,

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Speaker 1: oh man, it was it was great though, man coch

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Speaker 1: Coach Smith, he was he was a great dude. Great things.

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Speaker 1: Any legendary stories about the UNC summer runs, MJ have

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Speaker 1: a pull up on y'all. Give y'all some of that airness. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like my freshman year, I remember he came to practice,

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Speaker 1: So he came to practice, right, So he had practice

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Speaker 1: all right, damn, Mike, you know, growing up young bulls sneakers,

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Speaker 1: all playing Um Rising Shane with Mike. Oh. So They're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: where she that? Where she that? I'm in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: I'm icing down. I took my shoes off. So they're like, oh, coach,

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Speaker 1: I wish that film could somehow some wagesually appeared like yeah,

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Speaker 1: they was gon, what do you stack? At the time?

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Speaker 1: What year was stack? We were both um, we were

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Speaker 1: both what freshman, I think freshman, sophomore the sophomore season

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Speaker 1: we always had great pickup games down in the Dean Dome.

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Speaker 1: and I want to stay that. You know, it was

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Speaker 1: still like that to this day. Fourth pick of the

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Speaker 1: ninety five draft to the Bullets, unfortunately, get to play

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Speaker 1: Brent Price, Robert pat and Jim mcillvane. Jim mclevane. That

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Speaker 1: three power right there. That's that's look check it, check it.

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Speaker 1: Jim mcilvane got paid because the BPM, the blocks per minute,

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Speaker 1: course we all look at it differently, like, man, you

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Speaker 1: but it's the status in your contract. I wasn't mad

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Speaker 1: know that's that's all they breed out of Cincinnati. He

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00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: was another one just from then. He was country strong.

419
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: That's a different strong. Like you just got too much

420
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: going on fact fact and and ruby. You know, we

421
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: was hyping it up because of course back then you

422
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: also got to think of psychological warfare. So you know,

423
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: we all we did. We just let the media here

424
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: is and who hyping it up? Me and Bonds stop

425
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: stop just like hyping it up. And then before the

426
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: game they said to talked about it in the paper. Right.

427
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: So during the game, code was like, um, came down,

428
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: he did something, gave a bucketing somehow three or with

429
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: a dunk or something. So we're on the line and

430
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: then we're looking he was like Kobe stopper, huh and

431
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: just shot his file shot went down for hey, cracking up.

432
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: Dog was athletic. I think he probably could have played

433
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: football and strongest. Yeah. Western Conference was loaded back then,

434
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: particularly in the power for position. Now to me, that

435
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: was the greatest era of power for basketball ever. It

436
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: was Duncan Garnette. They threw shocking their webber Malone mcdice.

437
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm missing some people, but night and night out,

438
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: what was it like every single night in Western Conference? Hey,

439
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: you gotta tie your shoes up, well, you drop strap up,

440
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: because just when you think you got a night off,

441
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: like you said, looking at mc dice, Tim, who got

442
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: who got that fifteen footer downpack and with a vertical

443
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: jumps out the gym? I thought I could jump crazy.

444
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: She had a crazy leap bounced game. Yeah. Yeah, And

445
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: then like you said, Plaine, you know you got way

446
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: about there. Talk to us about how nice Sabonus if

447
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: we would have got Sabonus in this prime in the NBA.

448
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: How cold was s a bonus? Hey? For him to

449
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: be that that older vet when I ran into him,

450
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: Sibonus could pass his ass off. He just wasn't athletic

451
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: at that time. You know, he still could pop that Jimmy.

452
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: He was first one of the first sinners. Sinners to

453
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 1: pop that three took shack out there a couple of times,

454
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: you know, to pop the three man. I never saw

455
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: a film of a young sabonus. You know I only

456
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 1: heard the stories, but it was like when he was younger,

457
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: and you know, of course more athletic. Oh he's putting

458
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: cats in a bass and or nothing with him? Man

459
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: like he played overseas for a long as time before

460
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: he finally came to the US. You know, he didn't

461
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: come over here until that. Yeah, if he, if he was,

462
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: if he was in the NBA when he was younger,

463
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: he probably could have said a couple of records, one

464
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: a chip or something. Sure, when did you start stretching

465
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: your game out? I know you had the mid range first,

466
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: but you started stretching out to the three? You to me,

467
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, one of the first ones that

468
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: were really stretching it out there like that? When did that?

469
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: When you put that back? That's all thanks to Uncle

470
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: Cliffy rest in peace. Um that started in Portland. Yeah,

471
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: so playing the Lakers, and it was times where I

472
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: had to switch on the shack and you know, I'm

473
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: not the biggest dude, you know what I'm saying, So

474
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: of course he got body masks on me and everything.

475
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: So it's all I got, throwing a whole game, beat

476
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: me up beat me up. So in the locker room,

477
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: two ice packs, one on my ankle, and then I

478
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: had the biggest ones on my elbows because of a

479
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: couple of times where I thought I could quicken by

480
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: coming over his shoulder and he both my elbow. So

481
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there fuck up there in the chair, right,

482
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: and so Cliff walks by, he said, damn rock school.

483
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, you can't be doing that every night. Yo.

484
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: He was like, the what you gotta do is He's like,

485
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: you gotta take them outside sometimes too. He said, you're

486
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to bump and grind with him

487
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: and then go down the other end and play defense.

488
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: He's like no, And as I thought about it, I'm like,

489
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, he right, But for me again thinking old

490
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: school mentality, Yo, I didn't get paid to shoot threes,

491
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 1: you know, so I got paid to get down there

492
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: on them, chop blocks, rebounds, running the floor, block shots,

493
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: all of that. So it just so happened that one year,

494
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: Uh don't leave. He was the coach, and I think

495
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: he wanted to start a bigger lineup with Sabonus at

496
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: the five, Brian Grant at the four and three. That

497
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: it worked some nights. I got my ask cook by

498
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: Glenn Rice cooked bro I'm not used to all them

499
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: screen job man, I'm running through them. I'm running through

500
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: I can't back then, I didn't have to know how,

501
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, debating and going that way or whatever. You know,

502
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: all right, if we shut it off here, you know,

503
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: I just had all that and the way that air

504
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: once are set up, they didn't really give the mobility

505
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: to get around the big It was tough. Man't no

506
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: way you chased nobody. The foot ain't none of that

507
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: sliding and off, none of it. But lit me up though,

508
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: and that's that was my whole you know, start with

509
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: the three experience and again watching Cliff and practice. So

510
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people think it started with me, but

511
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: in my opinion, it started with Cliff and my other

512
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: old head um Derk Coleman. You know when d C.

513
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: D C had that mad handle accused when he came

514
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: in the league, New Jersey, he was shooting threes to

515
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: to be you know, six and eleven seven feet. So

516
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: it started to me. It started with them too. But

517
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: you made it more a little bit more numb. Yeah,

518
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: I guess so because of my big mouth and with

519
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: both hands. Not in the game nine games, well in

520
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: one game in the All Star Game, but yeah, the

521
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: ability to the ability Yeah, uh two thousand Western Finals

522
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: games set an up thirteam going into the fourth what's

523
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: your thoughts going into the fourth quarter? We got this

524
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: who he's about to see? Who used to see in

525
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: the final? We're gonna run through Indiana. That's when they

526
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: had no disrespect my man j Rose I love him,

527
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: Detroit's findings, but they had Jay Rose Um. I think

528
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson might have still been on that team. Of course,

529
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: Reggie the Davis Boys smits so was like, uh, I

530
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, we felt we felt as though

531
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: that series against the Lakers was the championship game because

532
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 1: of course you saw what they did to him, and

533
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: we felt it though we would have beat them, they

534
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: couldn't because they couldn't run with us. And I think

535
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I think, um, we either

536
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: split or we want to oh doing the regular season.

537
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: Your point of view on that live play arguably one

538
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: of the greatest lives. They said, Kobe shook up top

539
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: threw it up there the big fella. What's what are

540
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: you thinking at that point? Yeah, you was under there. Yeah,

541
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: I was under there. I'm in the picture. I ain't

542
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: on front there. Um, I thought I could get it,

543
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: so so check it. So, like you said, he got

544
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: by Pitt. So it was to the point where I

545
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: thought I could get him on a jab. So it

546
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: was like a little fake jab and I tried to

547
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: get him to throw a little sooner. So I really

548
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: on the backstep, I really didn't really straight up, and

549
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: it kept going over my hand and then big fella

550
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: boom and ship. The rest was history. You know. That's

551
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: to me. I think that was their deciding game on

552
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: that dynasty that those guys had at that time. He

553
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: was a part of it. But you definitely felt like

554
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: that that Portland's team was capable of you guys all

555
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: tail you could have won the championship that year for sure.

556
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the greatest me honestly, one

557
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: of the best teams never to win it. You had

558
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: to respect us at every position, Dame in that point,

559
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm say, Mighty Mouse, NBA Rookie of

560
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: the Year, you know, Mr Toronto, all of that than Jr.

561
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: Killer We had, Man, we had some great teams out there.

562
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: I think one thing I remember that y'all started too.

563
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: But y'all was the first team that was playing through

564
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: your start your offense, through your big man, because y'all

565
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: was posting up all your guards all the time. You

566
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean, y'all was y'all was one of

567
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: the first teams that was doing that consistently, you know

568
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, giving it to the big man on

569
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: the elbow and feeding the guards on the post because

570
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: you'll was posting Bonds. Y'all was supposed to Steve Smith

571
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: at the times. I was supposed to all the big goals,

572
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: especially Bondsi and Smitty because they were so aggressive. That

573
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: series was also the coming out party for Bonds. That

574
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: Kobe what he went that cod and I think I

575
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: think that's when Cold you know, like all right, you

576
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: know all right, he gave him that respect, Bonds one

577
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: at his ass did and that was that was a

578
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: great game right there. I just sucks that I was

579
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: going to losing any of it, but yeah, that's that

580
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: was a great game. Right. We're gonna do la watching

581
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: that ship, right, Yeah, we were u c l A

582
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: watching that ship. Hell yeah, the whole comeback drinking beer

583
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: watching that ship. We're didn't the name the jail Blazers

584
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: come from. Was that the media out there or that's

585
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: what it was here? How it's crazy because we're in

586
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: such a crazy media space right now. But back then,

587
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: they paint you with that picture. Y'all can't say ship

588
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: understand what blazers was good enough because everybody smoked. You

589
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: have to put jail on there. They did that for

590
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: the rhyme with trail, but nobody ever go to jail,

591
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: nobody ever getting a double or nothing like that. That's

592
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: what they just painted that picture. And y'all didn't have

593
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: a platform back then the station because because yeah, the

594
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: black players that dressed in what they wanted. Yeah, that's

595
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: and that's what it was. You know, they weren't used

596
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: to what we were doing all as far as how

597
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: we were. You know, even though we did as far

598
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: as team wise and individually, we did a lot of

599
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: stuff in the community, kept respectable what I'm saying, on

600
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: both sides of the trap. And every flight to game

601
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: you had probably about ten pounds on the plane. Nobody

602
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: got caught, So cut it out, man, that's back. They

603
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: didn't check nothing. Yeah, but I got a story that

604
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: was that was before no one the leven. I got

605
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: a story. I was playing in San Antonio. Bonds to

606
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: tell the story to our Bonds, Like, Bro, what's up.

607
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, pull up, you know we're gonna smoke

608
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: a couple of shill. He knocked on my door. Just

609
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: the whole team, like Buzzy, the whole team. I'm like,

610
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: come on, bro, the whole team. I'm like, so they

611
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: got the team, bust out there. But I'm just saying, so,

612
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: now I got the I got the whole team in

613
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: my house. I gotta play out the more. I ain't

614
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: cool with all y'all got the whole team, like Bonds,

615
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: come on, But they brought the whole team. We smoked

616
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: out Bro. But that's just how they just how he

617
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 1: did it, just how we did and go to state.

618
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah for real. That's but that was all part of

619
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: our camaraderie, you know what I'm saying. And the whole team. Dog,

620
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: I would rather have that than you know, cats going

621
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: out here getting liquored up and you know, hurting himself

622
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: saying with the powder, playing with any of that. None

623
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: of that smoked me a joint. I've always been that way.

624
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: That's all I need. Kobe Philly native such as yourself. Uh,

625
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: what's your some of your best memberis with code playing

626
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: against him, with them playing against him. Um, I got

627
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: I do. Got one. Just one little quick Kobe story

628
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: to offer the court. Um, it's actually happened out here

629
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: again through Niko. He was both our Nike reps and

630
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: I think Nike was doing a party or something at

631
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: tow and Um, Kobe had his wife and at the

632
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: time I was married and so I had my wife,

633
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: and you know, it was just we shared the evening together,

634
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: shared the booth, and truth be told. Man. It wasn't

635
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: even really no real basketball talk. You know what I'm saying.

636
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: It was just life. You know what I'm saying Because

637
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: I know his family. Um, you know, he knows my

638
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: mom all of that. So it's going back his pop JB.

639
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: Jelly Bean. That's that's my guy. So it was just

640
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: man family talk talking about, you know, coming up in

641
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: sunny Hill, because he came up probably like a year

642
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: or two after me, through like the Sunny Hill programs

643
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: and stuff in Philly, and we was just talking about

644
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: that in life, man. So it wasn't it wasn't even

645
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: nothing about no basketball or you know, we got you

646
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: all in two weeks. We're gonna bust your ass. Wasn't

647
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: even none of that was just life, man, That's what's

648
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: supposed to that's what That's what made that hot, shut out,

649
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: sunny man billy legend. You got one of the most

650
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: unbreakable records, probably in the history of the NBA. I

651
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: don't know, forty one text in one season. They changed

652
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: They changed the rules because of you. Yeah, oh yeah,

653
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: changed the rules because of you. Yeah. You all talking

654
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: about some of the referees you had battles with and

655
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: just how the hell it just happened so much A

656
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: lot of its reputation, but of course, yeah, for sure.

657
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: Now I'll say this, early on in my career, where

658
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: if I felt as though things were unjust, I'm gonna

659
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: use a lot of profanity. So you're right, a lot

660
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: of them I did. But as I got older, came

661
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: more of a vet and I got to know more

662
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: than cheating reps that was back out. Then it's like,

663
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: all right, I know this person, how he going ref

664
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: and this and that that of that, So now I

665
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: don't even have to cuss. So now I'll just say

666
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: little stuff like m I got that email hunt or

667
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: you know what two mm hmm, yeah, I know what

668
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: it is. How how do you get a technical foul?

669
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: You're going to the basket. All you're trying to do

670
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: is score, You get foul, and you get a technical foul?

671
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: Who called it? Joey Jack playing Cleveland in Cleveland, so

672
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: you know that heated rivalry when I was in Detroit.

673
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: So I got the ball on the post boom, So

674
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: I'm going, I'm going that ill galskis and give him

675
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: a move and I go to the middle and here

676
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: comes vera gile Wamn climbers everybody, right, all three of

677
00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: us fall to the ground and Jack stands over. Gave

678
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: all three attack, right, So you know I'm getting up.

679
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening. Right, Wait, how the hell

680
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: I get attacked? I'm trying to score the ball. I

681
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: ain't you know, I ain't do no dirty plays and

682
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to score the ball. And then you know,

683
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, that's what we were told to do

684
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: if it's any rough stuff. I was like, all right,

685
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: I got you already got kicked a whole lot of stuff. Man.

686
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: Of course, y'all know I wasn't I wasn't the favorite

687
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: by by the league, rest all of that, you know,

688
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: But I went back at them too. Definitely my career

689
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: house about fifteen on the season. I think I got

690
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: up to fifteen. He almost tripled that though. Yeah, I'm

691
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: just saying, but I'm saying, I'm just saying, I'm yeah, yeah,

692
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: I had I had my run to how much? How

693
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: much for text back then? Were they a thousand? Because

694
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: then she jumped up to by the time Jones, it

695
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: was five hundred of pop, not not when they happened

696
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: when they came out with the sheet route. Yeah, so

697
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: does she rule you get sixteen texs, and with each

698
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: tech as it goes up towards that sixteen, yeah, that

699
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: fine becomes higher and the suspension come and then the

700
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: suspension comes for the sixteen tech, and then if it

701
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: goes up to I think it's it was twenty or

702
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: twenty one. It was a couple more games, and this

703
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: and that and this and that, it won't on and on.

704
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: So you got every other game, and you have every

705
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: other game at least a tech on everything. And here's

706
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: the thing. Half of the time, like you said, half

707
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: the time, it was the rep though after at that

708
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: time was the rep I ain't have to do nothing.

709
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: So that's what it was. When I was getting them

710
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: a pop. Hated it, so it was worth it though,

711
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that was worth it. Yeah, I'm yeah.

712
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: And then I never regretted they had rest in their area.

713
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: There was there was. They were shaving on the game too,

714
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: so I can imagine. I remember, I remember Ron Ron

715
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: calls some bullshit and you're just staring at him. Bang

716
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: bang too, and throw you out quick. You're staring and

717
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: you didn't say one word. How do you know if

718
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: I'm staring at you for the rest of the game,

719
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: you didn't say a word. That's the bull that But

720
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: I knew, but you know, I knew what it was. Um,

721
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: A lot of it was part of the business, you know,

722
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: the big, big Lakers city Portland with a small market

723
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: and then again playing in Detroit. You know, I knew

724
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't that much love as far as you know,

725
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: league wide with them, because of course would have been

726
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: a black urban city and the whole bad boys thing

727
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: and this and that. So yeah, I ain't worried about it.

728
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think my young fellow might get

729
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: me though he might. Yeah, Draymon might get me. You might.

730
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: He the only one I can see that that might

731
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: come close. Yeah. Third on the list though, yeah, I don't.

732
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: I know, I'm not that high overall. And third on

733
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: the list behind Um Barkley and Karl Malone. Really, yes, sir,

734
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: some great company, and I think I think robbing his

735
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: fourth right behind me two four finals with the Legos.

736
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: The national media say you have a shot at all.

737
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I know the tree help job block it out.

738
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: But how did job block? We knew we could do.

739
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: We was ready, man, we was ready. You know, we

740
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: had the mass scientists pound for pound. Larry Brown did

741
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: a whole little flip with the playoff scheme. Bro It's like,

742
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, you got your normal players you're running throughout

743
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: the year. So let's say you're gonna call it to circle.

744
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: So on the scouting report, you know when we play y'all,

745
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: don when we play, you all the same thing playoff

746
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: time or in a big game, that two circle you're

747
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: all gonna be expecting, YO wash your pin down on

748
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: that week side. That ball ain't even gonna go to

749
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: that change. He changed the whole scheme up. The same

750
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: thing on defense, and that was the same thing that

751
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: coach Schmith used to do down in Carolina in big games.

752
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: And Yo, Larry Brown is a mass scientist. Bro. He

753
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. He got his style. You know,

754
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: look at the love hate that he had with you.

755
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We have not one thing.

756
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: So you know, you know how that man is here here,

757
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: wizard back there and until a playoff time we we played,

758
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: We played, I'm talking about his team. Yeah, nobody got there,

759
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: but he swept us. We played, but we knew it though. Man,

760
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: we we just felt that we were more hungry, um

761
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: at least for for their their big two with Shaq

762
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: and Kobe. We felt like, all right, they got a

763
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: couple of rings, so they might not be as hungry,

764
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: and we were all all in sync. It was it

765
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: y'all just was on y'all ship or y'all felt it

766
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: was a little off. We wasn't worried about them period

767
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: at all. Everybody was talking all that job. I think

768
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: I said it in the interview with him, like, man,

769
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: we don't care what these cats. Ain't nobody scared of them.

770
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: We're worried about us. We know we do what we're

771
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: supposed to do. We're gonna win. We know if we

772
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: mess up somewhere along that line, they're gonna win. So

773
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: we weren't worried about the pick and roll plays. We

774
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: wasn't worried about you know, double team in shock or

775
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: none of that. Nah, everybody stay home, Ben got him,

776
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: everybody stay home. No, let's go. Ty did a hell

777
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: of a job on code, Let's get it. We weren't

778
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: scared of him at all. Bro how big was chunce

779
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: obviously big shot, mastermind. He controlled it all at the time.

780
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: I didn't see d Fisher being d Fisher like like

781
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: the point he was back then when you know, the

782
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: Lakers first had their a few runs at the Chick.

783
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: So again it could be registered to maybe they weren't

784
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: again as hungry, but oh no, Chauncey came up big.

785
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: You know. He was a classic point guard. Any weakness

786
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: out there, he saw, called it out. So lb let

787
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: him let him do his thing because he trusted him

788
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: like that. And so Chauncy down there, I oh, miss

789
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: matt Hey, so and so, and then we know right away,

790
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: all right, Tay gonna come through boom this and that boom,

791
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: and it was it was easy man, we we were

792
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: so damn confident, yo. So we're on a plane. First

793
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: two games we beat the first game. Second game, um

794
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: covid a great shot to get him that dub. So

795
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: we're like, all right, and this back when it was

796
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: two three two, So we're on a plane, you know.

797
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: So then Chauncey, Rip and Tay they played cards and

798
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: it was a couch just like this. So I'm sitting here,

799
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: Lindsay Hunter sitting there. So everybody you know, doing anything,

800
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: We're just watching them. And then it was all like

801
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: it was kind of eerie for real, for real. At

802
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: the same moment, it was all we was thinking the

803
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: same ship. Y'all know, we can't go back there, right

804
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: because if we go back there for six or seven,

805
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: y'all know what's gonna happen. And that's when we came

806
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: out for that for that game three four and five. Hey,

807
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: I just gave him everything we had from Bartom trying

808
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: to run him out the gym. Then you know, at

809
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: the time, um Melman was hurting and all their power,

810
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: Fors was hurting, had mad Danko on me, and it

811
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: was we had fun though with it, man, We have fun.

812
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: And when it happened when that clock read zero is

813
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: bro my life flash like that, well, my beginning of

814
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: my basketball life flash like that. It took me all

815
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: the way back from the time I grew up in

816
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: the streets of Philadelphia to playground Boom, coming up in

817
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: middle school, Simon Grass, all that stuff there North Carolina.

818
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: You know, early on in my NBA career, going through

819
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: all this stuff with the rest and you know, the

820
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: league all of like that, I was like, damn, it

821
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: don't matter. No, it's like, we got a chance right now,

822
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: we don't out of the world. We're sipping the juice

823
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: on top of the mountain and that's how we felt.

824
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's swagger we were rolling with. That's

825
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: why I got the belts. That's why I got the

826
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: belts for that swagger. And then that next season everywhere,

827
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: that's why we all carry the belts to the games, like, yeah,

828
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: we did the chance. Looked at that ship like wrestling

829
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: with what the champ do when he come into the

830
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: wrestling ring and it's and it's it's love because every

831
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: time every finals just see it bringing backs. We memory, yeah, man,

832
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: it's like you're gonna post something a ring I remember

833
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: this happening. You know, Rip just recently post something about

834
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: the little finals back then, show this ring and stuff,

835
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: and it's like that nostalgia. Man, it's take it where

836
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: you celebrate the chip at the alice. We stayed at

837
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: the palace all night to like about nonten. That next morning, damn,

838
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: we was drinking. I lived like about less than a

839
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: mill from the palace, so you know, the brothers who

840
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: indulged in the drow ran in my crib real quick,

841
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: boom bang, ran back up to the palace, and we

842
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: was grubbing and drinking all night. I didn't take my

843
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: uniform are. All I did was cut my tape off

844
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: and changed my sneakers. I still have my tights, the

845
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: same blood stings on this jersey. Everything kept that on

846
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: their headband, like y'all was in your house with your

847
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: Detroit Piston uniforms are smoking, and then went back to

848
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: the palace. I was I love it because it was

849
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: just our family up there all night, our family and friends.

850
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: You have people in the organization already knew what I did.

851
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: So I was hoping you just gonna tell you live

852
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: up in the locker room. That's what I was hoping

853
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: or I couldn't do that one on them, but I

854
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: know I can't share that one either. Who celebrated the hardest?

855
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: We all did. The team celebrated. We had a mottel

856
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: on and off we go hard on the court, we

857
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: go hard off. We had that model. We just didn't win.

858
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: No championship for sure for short on and off that

859
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: that all that next year too. Damn there in every

860
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: city we want to had a party, right. So we're

861
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, so we all again that was another team

862
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: where we all hung out with each other deep, no

863
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: matter what's city. So we're in Atlanta. We all want

864
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: to dinner and we pull up to this club. So

865
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: it's about four cabs right before Uber, Yeah before Uber.

866
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: Four casts pull up to this club and we all

867
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: get out. Boom boom, boom boom. So Lindsay first in line,

868
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: and you know he's a little pitbull, so he drunk.

869
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: So walking in security, ball like hoh ho dog. You're like, yeah,

870
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: you know you gotta see some I D or something.

871
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta check you all y'all can't just

872
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: walk in like that. He's like what what She's like? Man?

873
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: You know who we is He's like, look, look all

874
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: these cats. You know who we are. He's like, a

875
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I got my I D right here,

876
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: you're right, show them our I D. And just at

877
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: that time, I had my ring on, So I showed

878
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: the dude the ring and Lindsey was like, that's my

879
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: I D and walked on in the joint. I was like,

880
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 1: oh he was gangster for that. But when you're the champ,

881
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: you know you yeah, yeah, when they put up a statue,

882
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: what jameson, will it be a poland probably be it

883
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: would be Detroit. Detroit. You know, it was to us

884
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: doing what we did there offense and defense, you know,

885
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: ship we helped you want to chip in the truck,

886
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: but you made your hate and yeah, yeah we all did.

887
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: We all were misfits in one way or another, you

888
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: know me Chauncey RiPP Ben, you know, the only one

889
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: who was natural on that team was Take because that

890
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: was the team drafted him. But yeah, we all were something, somehow,

891
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: some way a misfit on there. So I would think

892
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: it's Detroit, you know, just just with the love and

893
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: the effect of the city. Yeah, it was awesome. Okay,

894
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: before we go to that, because I thought it was

895
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: gonna be on the just give me your little quick

896
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: overview of the brawl. So anybody never asked you about it.

897
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: You was there. I tell people all the time. You

898
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: came and saved me, and people don't know I was

899
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 1: really out there having my way in them stands, y'all.

900
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm telling me, I ran through everybody like bo Jackson.

901
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: But even though we got to sit on the court,

902
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: my brother ran up to the stands and make sure

903
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: I was straight doing all that. So you know, I

904
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: gotta get your toes. That was wild. You know, it

905
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: was game. And another thing a lot of people don't know,

906
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: y'all were beating that game, beating ship out of y'all. Right,

907
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: so y'all was only up like thirteen four terms. Yeah,

908
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: so National team was the biggest game of the season

909
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: at the beginning of that just one, yeah, y'all, And

910
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, y'all just beat out of them in these commers,

911
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. That whole bitterness from that. You know,

912
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: it was small Jermaine one of the real bad too. Yeah,

913
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: it was a lot of it was all the smoke.

914
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: Yeah it was um, but no dog, it was it was.

915
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: It was magical. It was magical. And I say that

916
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: because it was more than basketball at that time. When

917
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: I did go up in the stands and getting that

918
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: that's my young fellow, you know what I'm saying. And

919
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: at the time, I think Stern was pretty adamant about

920
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: us going into the stands or you know, really reacting

921
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: in the negative way with the fans. So of course

922
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: things happened on the court, right, you know, Ben pushed

923
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: the soul out of run Ryan want laid down. I

924
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: had to get my soul back at me because I

925
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: felt it. I felt I was lost. And when Brian

926
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: One laid on the table, you know, the fan through

927
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: the joint and all hell broke loose. Right, So but

928
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: before that, you know, I'm just trying to hold separate everybody,

929
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: like all right, no, y'all not working with my guys.

930
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: You know, we're all friends. So it wasn't like we

931
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: were naturally really going at them. But if you are

932
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: going against somebody you don't like, it just goes all

933
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna come out. So the fan through the drawing boom,

934
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: I see ron Jack going the stands. Then Germine was

935
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: messing with a fan or something. One of the fans

936
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: got bold and came on the court. He was doing

937
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: something over there. I'm like, oh, ship, So I ran

938
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: in the stands, and that's when you were the first one.

939
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: You were closer because I wanted to grab, try to

940
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: grab you and run and I was like, man, I

941
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: was like, and it's the last thing he's young cast

942
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: needs because now I was like, bore, gonna try to

943
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: make an example and throw the book out. You know.

944
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: You then you're swinging and hitting fans and so you know,

945
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: that's the main thing that the NBA he was connecting to.

946
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: He wasn't having my way that I was having my way.

947
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: I ain't, but I ain't patting myself on the back.

948
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: I was having my way. I'm trying to like, yo,

949
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: come on, let's go, you know, get back in there.

950
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: Out of all of that, you know, I was the

951
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: one that didn't get fined. I didn't get fired out

952
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: of that whole little mallets at the palace. I didn't

953
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: get fined at all or suspended the bad guy man

954
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: and the bad guy. I was like, wow, it's crazy,

955
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: but no. I hated to see that though. But you

956
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: got up there. We all start running back to the court.

957
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: Man had to man looked at you. You got everybody tension.

958
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: Everybody started going back to the court. Had to man.

959
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: A lot of people said, it's lucky that the arena

960
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: wasn't that part of the city. Part of the city.

961
00:53:53,160 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: I said that where he was that was now enough. Yeah,

962
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: we see, and that's a bringing because with us playing there,

963
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 1: there was like, um, you know, and it was always

964
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: and in Detroit at the palace that the palaces in

965
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: Auburn Hills. That ain't Detroit. That's an hour away from

966
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: Detroit the city. But like you said, if right now

967
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 1: Little Caesars, if that would have happened, then man cracking.

968
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was crazy though, Man, that was that

969
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: was a crazy night. Man, there I got. I had

970
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: like at least over two d text messages. You cannot

971
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: be here and we're not talked about that dog. That

972
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: was alright, man, we're coming down the home stretch right now. Quick.

973
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: Kidder's first team to come to mind, you plus four

974
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: players that you played within your career and your coach

975
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: who would that be? What coach would you pick and

976
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: what four players would you put with you? That's unfair question.

977
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be biased for sure from your team from

978
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: the teams. He's gonna say that it's the best five

979
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: a lot and that coach is pound for pounds. Okay,

980
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: Larry Brown the best five a lot. And there's no

981
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: disrespect to any of my other teammates because they're my brethren,

982
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: you know. But I think we felt as though we

983
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: were at the pinnacle of of our of our craft

984
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: right there and couldn't nobody in the world touches. That's

985
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: why you know, we coined ourselves nickname Afraid the Best

986
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: five a Lot because we felt we were that that

987
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: tightening as long as we suspended one night in Vegas

988
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: all expenses paid. Three give me three people. You go,

989
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: you're rocking with all expenses paid. Now, we don't hear

990
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: that often. I don't know. I gotta think some party animals, bro,

991
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: And you know I don't playing with some party animals.

992
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, Bro, that's who because because because a

993
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: lot a lot can go on. I mean, you're talking

994
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: about back in the drinking days or just the smoking days,

995
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: all expenses page your best times send me. Gave me

996
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: that question. I came on um so for she Wace's

997
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: greatest hit in Las Vegas, for sure, for sure, I

998
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: have to bring my young fello out here, my young

999
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: fellow Bonds, Oh, no question, Bonds, Bonds would be there.

1000
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: I would have to say, my man, Gary Trent hate

1001
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: Dad's Bonds Senior Senior, I hate. Wow. That's tough. Mm hmmm.

1002
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: We'll come back to it. Yeah, I got him. Come

1003
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: back to What album can you listen to with no skips?

1004
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: R and B R RAT whatever you want telling you

1005
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: can listen to. You know, he a different type of crazy. Yeah,

1006
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: he different with this. He listened to everything, UM, R

1007
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: and B. It don't matter. It could be uh, it

1008
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: could be married, could be some Erica Baidude the nineties

1009
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: married early Mary Um when she was gonna through some Ship. Yeah,

1010
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: you can feel that the whole album. Yeah, um that

1011
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: um trial called quest. First two albums as far as

1012
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: hip hop go, red Man, what the album? Um, He's

1013
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: gonna be all over R and B. I can go

1014
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: with tweet. I like the artist tweet her first Southern Hummingbird.

1015
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: She could go through that all way through Jazz and

1016
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: Sulliman of course, Wu Tang give me give me that

1017
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: double CD. Yeah, I could do that all way through

1018
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: D'Angelo first album, Forever Forever and D'Angelo that uh that

1019
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: Brown Sugar album. Mm hmm, go with a little bit

1020
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: of Icentina. I mean to bring it back. You're gonna

1021
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: bring it back on hey, Like he said, I'm across

1022
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: the range. I said, I don't know why you asked that,

1023
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: having all day right there, piece of advice you would

1024
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: give your younger self. Calm a fun down when you

1025
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: feel like that kicked in, you know when I started

1026
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: having kids. But you know, at that point, to be honest,

1027
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: I looked at it as now I'm not living for me,

1028
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm living for them. So now, um, some

1029
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: of the things my mom was saying about me being

1030
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: careful in the streets and all that just you being saved.

1031
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: But you also gotta protect your family name. So yeah,

1032
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: I would just say, probably calmed down. Um. And it

1033
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: was because I started a family young and that that

1034
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: changed my view on a whole lot of things with

1035
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: life again. Started wearing seatbelts, started caring about where I went,

1036
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: who I was seeing, with what I was doing to

1037
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: make sure that I didn't bring embarrassment. And it happened

1038
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: one time, and I felt the raft from my wife

1039
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: and my kids. When when Damon and I got caught

1040
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: up in that uh whole little uh ship coming back

1041
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: from Seattle and a little speeding ticket, and um so

1042
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: the cop let us go. He had us out there

1043
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: for an hour. For those who don't know what happened, well,

1044
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: just back when Seattle um Sonics were I had a

1045
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: professional team. So Portland's only two hours away. So you know,

1046
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: a coach let us ride back. Those who wanted to

1047
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: drive back, they let him ride back on the bus.

1048
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean, excuse me on your own like we did

1049
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: when we played Secon. So it's me Damon, and he

1050
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: got his homie driving driving and um so you know

1051
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: we boom, boom, boom and bang of jay banging jay.

1052
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: I bang a jay, he banging jay and boom that's it.

1053
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: So we ride down and join music talking ship and

1054
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: you know he told him like slow down a little bit.

1055
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: But at the same time that's when the cop nap.

1056
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: So you know, he had us out there for a while.

1057
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: He was like, man, I smelled a marijuana. Where's the drugs? Like,

1058
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: hey dog, we ain't got nothing like you late. If

1059
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: you would have popped us, maybe like fift twenty minutes ago,

1060
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: you could have, but like, we ain't had nothing, you late,

1061
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: So he bought the dogs out. He bought like two

1062
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: three more cruisers out. Who rides bias the team bus?

1063
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: A fucking team And I'm like, damn, that's damn right.

1064
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: So of course we're still out there afterwards. You know,

1065
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: there's nothing they could do. So did they stop or

1066
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: keep it moving? They had to keep it moving? But

1067
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: what could they do? You know, you had all the

1068
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: other players there, so you know, of course, you know

1069
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: they called this and stuff. But so we're riding home

1070
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: the cop let us go and everything. We're riding home

1071
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: and Biggs like, Yo, you think this Joe going gonna

1072
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 1: make you know, sports in and all that. I'm like, dog,

1073
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't. I don't think so, No, it's

1074
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: a speeding ticket. I'm like what the hell? So I

1075
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: go home. I'm sleep, you know, I wake up to

1076
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: some heat. Like I'm like, yo, what what what would

1077
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: I do? What I do? What happened? What happened last night?

1078
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: What do you mean what happened last night? On your

1079
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: drive back from Seattle? I'm like, nothing, we got a

1080
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: speeding ticket? What? She turned the TV on that she

1081
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: was all over Sports Center and they made it seem like,

1082
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, we had weed in the car and all

1083
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: of that, but it wasn't no weed in a car,

1084
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, like like I said, he had a J.

1085
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: I had a J and it was already smoking. So

1086
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: y'all know how the pre rolls go. That's it's gone.

1087
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: And it's not like we was traveling with an abundance.

1088
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,479
Speaker 1: You know, we knew how it was coming on that ride.

1089
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: So I'm like, man, I don't know, it ain't nothing

1090
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: happened and this and that. So my wife got it

1091
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: at the time I was married. My wife got it

1092
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: from you know, some of her friends locally, and then

1093
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: my kids got it at school, so you know, it

1094
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: was the other kids. You know, oh, your dad's on

1095
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: drugs and all of that. So my kids coming home

1096
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: to me, you know, asking and crying and this and that.

1097
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: So you know, hey, I never beat around the bush

1098
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: with my kids. So I told him what it was,

1099
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: and from there on it was like, okay, but that's

1100
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: the only time. Like the technical stuff on the court,

1101
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. They see that. They watched

1102
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: that on TV with basketball all the time. But no,

1103
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: you never want to bring nothing home to embarrass your family.

1104
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: So That's what I would tell my younger. So if

1105
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: you can have one guest on all the Smoke, who

1106
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: would it be? But you have to help us get

1107
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: your answer on the show. But Zeke Zeke, he knows

1108
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: who Zeke is. Zeke so. Zeke is a brother of

1109
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: mine from Detroit, Amazed, same brother to me. He's probably

1110
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: modern day. Uh, he would be Newton in that in

1111
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: that form what he does for the community and all

1112
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: around the country. Man. Uh. He got a he got

1113
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: a company called new Era, and they got chapters in

1114
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: every almost every state in our country. And they just

1115
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: go back, go um, give back and go to communities,

1116
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: especially community. But they're doing a lot of killing that

1117
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling They show up with you hall full of

1118
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: stuff and it's their own money too. So I think

1119
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: Zeke definitely deserves a platform. And at the end, we

1120
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: got we got history together too, because we didn't been.

1121
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: Jack came up the flint with me to pass out

1122
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: goods for their families and people. We we you know,

1123
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: we're going door to door. You know. All we hear

1124
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: is some chanting and we see a lot of brothers

1125
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: and sisters walking by, you know, and all black. They

1126
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: got to u hauls and we're like, damn, who that?

1127
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: And you know, throughout our courses we ended up crossing

1128
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: paths through the neighborhood is doing the same things. And

1129
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, we've just been cool with brothers Zeke since then.

1130
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: And again the brothers and sisters that new every Detroit

1131
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: day amazed. They do a lot of a lot of

1132
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: great things for the community. And man, that's what it's about. Man,

1133
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: It's it's about these babies right here. Man. And while

1134
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: he's saying it, because he started me on that mission

1135
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: to give back. You know, we're talking about Flint and

1136
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: Zeke was Zeke doing dog is just amazing that he's

1137
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: doing it out his own pocket. You know what I'm saying.

1138
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: He's not rich by no type of means. You know

1139
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that. You know they have a DJ

1140
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: so it's just it's just a whole vibe. So, like

1141
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: I said, that's Zeke is a dope person to have

1142
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: to find him well, she Man, we appreciate your time

1143
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: for sure. Man, love you guys, no doubt. Man. That's

1144
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: a rap reference out here in Las Vegas. The legend

1145
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: Suite with our brother, the one and Only Rashid Wallace Man,

1146
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: you can catch yourself, Showtime Basketball YouTube, and the I

1147
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: Heart platform Black Effects. We'll see y'all next week.