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Speaker 1: Everybody. Chris Harry with you on a new episode of

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Speaker 1: Chargers Weekly. Later on, I'll be joined by the founder

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Speaker 1: of the NFL Draft Bible, Rick Sarah Tella. Rick shares

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Speaker 1: several preject insights and reveals five possibilities for the Chargers

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Speaker 1: at number twenty eight overall. But first we recap the

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Speaker 1: NFL owners meetings in Arizona with NFL Media's Dan Hansas.

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Speaker 1: All right, my first guest is the host of the

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Speaker 1: wildly popular Around the NFL podcast log with Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, all friends of the podcast, Dan

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Speaker 1: hanss NFL Media joints behind Charges Weekly. Dan, how are you,

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Speaker 1: my friend? Chris? I thank you for having me off,

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Speaker 1: first of all, but second of all for listening to

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Speaker 1: my contract parameters that you put wildly successful in front

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Speaker 1: of our party. It was wildly popular, wildly popular, wildly popular.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for correcting me on that. But you're right, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of fancy parties. I know. It's

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Speaker 1: the NFL one hundred. It's a big year for the NFL. Uh,

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Speaker 1: give me the lay of the land in Arizona. What

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Speaker 1: were the highlights for you? You know it is it's

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Speaker 1: always interesting to me because what we do the podcast is, yes,

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Speaker 1: we work for the NFL and at NFL, but we

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Speaker 1: kind of keep ourselves a little bit isolated and kind

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Speaker 1: of have our own little bubble, which I think helps

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Speaker 1: us talk about the teams in a frank and honest way.

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Speaker 1: And then we come to these events and you know,

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Speaker 1: you sit down for dinner and there's Jerry Jones and

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Speaker 1: some you know owner going with the golf clubs heading

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Speaker 1: out to the links. You just have this like collection

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Speaker 1: of Freddy Kitchens, spelly up at the bar. You just

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Speaker 1: have this like weird experience. All of a sudden you're

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Speaker 1: at the like the coolest football summer camp in town.

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Speaker 1: So it was It's a really an interesting experience every year.

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Speaker 1: And the news is flying fast because literally everyone's there.

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Speaker 1: I mean everyone was talking about obviously the past interference

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Speaker 1: rule change, and I think the general reaction that everyone

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Speaker 1: in the Superdome. You knew that Sean Payton would probably

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Speaker 1: idea that it would actually come to fruition surprised a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, including myself. And I know they say

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Speaker 1: it's twenty nineteen, it's a trial balloon. But barring it

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Speaker 1: being a total disaster, which I don't think it will be. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think this is a permanent change and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: it's going to I think makes a game better. And

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Speaker 1: I think that not everyone is on the same page

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Speaker 1: of that, and that Chris Westling, my colleague around the NFL,

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Speaker 1: the wildly popular Around the NFL podcast, said that he

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Speaker 1: hates it, and he thinks that should be taken out

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Speaker 1: of the coach's hands and it should be done if

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Speaker 1: That to me, maybe maybe you have room to tweak

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Speaker 1: it if this doesn't work exactly. But I like it.

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Speaker 1: I like that there's still the same amount of challenges.

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Speaker 1: It kind of changes the strategy for coaches too, because

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Speaker 1: Let's get to the good stuff though, because you know

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Speaker 1: these meetings they come at a perfect time because it's

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Speaker 1: going into the twenty eighteen season, Rick, all I heard

430
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Speaker 1: about was ed Oliver right and he was going to

431
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Speaker 1: be the number one overall pick or a top two,

432
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Speaker 1: top three pick. He had that knee injury, and I

433
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Speaker 1: know that there was that dust up with Major apple

434
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Speaker 1: White that was on TV. But it seems to be

435
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Speaker 1: draft analysts have seemed to cool on him a little

436
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Speaker 1: bit for whatever reason. You guys haven't though he's number

437
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Speaker 1: three in your top one hundred players. If you could

438
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Speaker 1: explain why you guys are still high on Ed Oliver

439
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: because I think he's a fantastic player. Yeah, I mean,

440
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that the guy's an explosive athlete. He's

441
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Speaker 1: a rare talent, and I think the problem why the

442
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: mainstream media has kind of soured on him is because

443
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: there's no clear cut position on a talent like that.

444
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Speaker 1: And you know, it's a big reason why Aaron Don

445
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: slid because of the size factor. And you know, you

446
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 1: talk about two hundred and eighty seven pounds. Hey, are

447
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: we gonna, you know, trim him down and let him

448
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: play on the edge? Are we going to bulk him up?

449
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 1: Let him play in the middle? I tweeted out yesterday.

450
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Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of people are getting a

451
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Speaker 1: kick out of the fact that Titans interviewed him at

452
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Speaker 1: the combine and asked him, you know, would he play

453
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Speaker 1: outside linebacker for them? So you know, we've seen it

454
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Speaker 1: before We've seen Mario Williams line up in a thirty

455
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Speaker 1: four outside backer at two hundred and seventy five pounds

456
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: and at two eighty seven, Hey Oliver could drop ten

457
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Speaker 1: pounds and play outside linebacker. Heck, we saw Hassan Reddick

458
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: move to you know, play inside linebacker for the Cardinals

459
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. So I think that a

460
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Speaker 1: good coach is going to find a way to utilize

461
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Speaker 1: a special talent like this. And you know, whether he

462
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Speaker 1: plays tackle or end or backer, I think he's going

463
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Speaker 1: to be a dominant factor. I think he's going to

464
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Speaker 1: make an immediate impact. And I think, you know, just

465
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Speaker 1: because he doesn't have a true deficient you know, this

466
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Speaker 1: ain't fifteen twenty years ago. Tweener used to be viewed

467
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Speaker 1: as a bad term. But you see the smart teams,

468
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Speaker 1: the really smart teams such as the New England Patriots.

469
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Speaker 1: I hate to use them as an example, Uh, they

470
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Speaker 1: kind of find ways to incorporate talented players in a

471
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Speaker 1: hybrid type of scheme, and you know they're not just

472
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Speaker 1: totally all in committed to the thirty four or the

473
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Speaker 1: forty three. They find a guy like Ed Oliver to

474
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Speaker 1: kind of use, utilize his mismatch talents and find a

475
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Speaker 1: way to succeed with guys like that. So I'm not

476
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Speaker 1: gonna sour. I mean, we're gonna trust to you know,

477
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: stick to the film and trust the tape. And uh,

478
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Speaker 1: you know, if if you come away watching Night Oliver

479
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: on film and tell me that he's not one of

480
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Speaker 1: the top premier players in this year's draft class, then

481
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: we have to question what we're watching. Well, Rick, I'll

482
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: give you an example straight from here at the Chargers,

483
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: and it's in the secondary. It's Desmond King, a fifth

484
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Speaker 1: round pick who a lot of people thought was going

485
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Speaker 1: to be a safety or a corner. They didn't know

486
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: maybe a tweener, first team All Pro in his second season.

487
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: He's a magna for the football. He makes plays on

488
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Speaker 1: defense and special teams, and he's a football player, right,

489
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Speaker 1: So to evaluate those types of guys and fit them

490
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Speaker 1: in your system, I think smart teams can find a

491
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: way to mix in a tweener, you know, for lack

492
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: of a better term. Yeah, no doubt about it. And

493
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: that's a great example. And you know it's funny because

494
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: I think it was his forty times. That was another

495
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Speaker 1: guy where you know, going into the season, he was,

496
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Speaker 1: you know, thought of the first round pick, and then

497
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Speaker 1: by time the draft process unfolds and you know, doesn't

498
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Speaker 1: run well at the combine, and you know, then you

499
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: know you get oh, well, you know, maybe he's not

500
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Speaker 1: a first round guy. He slides all the way to

501
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Speaker 1: fifth rounds and hey, you can stay the case. Maybe

502
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: he's the steal of the entire draft. Absolutely based on

503
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Speaker 1: what he did last year. I tell you, he made

504
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Speaker 1: plays in the fourth quarter of a Seattle Seahawks game

505
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Speaker 1: where really they needed to seal the game. He picked

506
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: off Russell Wilson took it for six. He had a

507
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: seventy three yard punt return against the Steelers on Sunday

508
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: Night Football. He made play after play after play when

509
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: the team needed a most. So it's pretty interesting to

510
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: listen to all the draft chatter, right, and we talk

511
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: about these first round picks and second round picks, and

512
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: we don't talk much about the mid to late rounds.

513
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: And that's where teams make their money, right, It comes

514
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: down to scouting. And that's why I'm intrigued by this

515
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: draft file, because I see things that are a little

516
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: bit different from what we're seeing in the mainstream media

517
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Speaker 1: and We'll move to quarterback here, because you guys have

518
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Speaker 1: four quarterbacks that you think could be first round picks,

519
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: and then you have one in the second that I

520
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: think a lot of people think could potentially be a

521
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Speaker 1: developmental quarterback. Is the kid from Buffalo Jackson. What is

522
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Speaker 1: your take on this quarterback class in twenty and nineteen

523
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: compared to what we saw last year? Well, I think

524
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Speaker 1: last year we saw more QB ready signal callers and

525
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: this year we have more of a developmental group. And yeah,

526
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, there are four first round grades, and I

527
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: think that's because guys like Drew Locke and Daniel Jones

528
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Speaker 1: they get pushed up the board due to the need

529
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Speaker 1: fessity and the lack of quality signal callers to go

530
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: around the league. So I think if Drew Locke and

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones were in last year's draft class, they probably

532
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: have a round two grade. But during this year's draft class,

533
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Speaker 1: so we know there's a lot of teams looking for

534
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: a signal caller, these guys are going to most likely

535
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: go in the first round. And you know, to me,

536
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: Haskins is you know, I don't want to say a

537
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: sure fire thing, but I want to say as good

538
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: as I'm going to feel about any quarterback in this

539
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: year's draft class, and you know, the one year wonder thing.

540
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting because we do a weekly past with

541
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Speaker 1: Russell Landy, and you know, he made a good point

542
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: that if you go back and look at the history

543
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: of first round picks over the last decade two decades,

544
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: there's never really been a successful quarterback with just one

545
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: year of starting experience. You know, Mitchell Trabiski and Mark

546
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: Sanchez are probably, you know, the two quarterbacks with the

547
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: greatest success with just one year of college experience as

548
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: a starter. So you know, you are rolling the dice

549
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: a little bit with Haskins. In my opinion, I think

550
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: Kyle Murray is a is a rare talent that you know,

551
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: if you get him into the right scheme and you

552
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: build an offense around him, kind of like what the

553
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: Titans did with Marcus Mariota. They kind of catered the

554
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: whole moving pocket around mariota skill set. I think Kyler

555
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: Murray could be successful in a similar scheme such as that,

556
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: But again, I think he has to get with the

557
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: right coach, right scheme. Drew Locke, the more he's the

558
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: more comfortable I feel starting him down the road. I

559
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: think Denver would be a great spot for him because

560
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: he could sit behind Joe Flacco until he's ready to

561
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: start and Daniel Jones. You know, to me, I'm concerned

562
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: about the arm velocity on Daniel Jones. I'm scared to

563
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: use a first round pick. Hey, if you if you chick,

564
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: if you take Gamzel Jones in the first rounder and

565
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: you're a general manager in the NFL, there's a good

566
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: chance you're unemployed two to three years from now. So

567
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: that'll be interesting to see where he landed out. Tyree Jackson,

568
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: and you mentioned trying to get all the guys in.

569
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Speaker 1: I think he has a great tremendous upside. I think

570
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: it's the strongest arm in this draft. If you go

571
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: back and watch the Temple game. In the Rutgers game,

572
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: this guy's flicking the wrist twenty eighty yards downfield on

573
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Speaker 1: the run. Of course, we saw he's also an incredible athlete. Oh,

574
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: by the way, he ran a four or five nine

575
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Speaker 1: at six foot seven and two hundred and fifty pounds. Again, yeah, again,

576
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Speaker 1: I'm not letting him see the field for at least

577
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: two years because he's just not ready, he's raw. You

578
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: can't teach that kind of arm strength. But even we

579
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: saw it at the Senior Bowl. He makes an outstanding

580
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: throw and then he follows it up with two throws

581
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: that just have your shaking your head like, hey, what's

582
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: going on? We saw it at them. Steve Smith, the

583
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: NFL network analyst, the point right, you were doing the

584
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: gautlet drill said, hey, what are you doing? Then? People

585
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: trying to make some money? You know, he's got to

586
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: understand it's a five yard spitting the bucket. You've got

587
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: to take some mustard off the hot dogs. And you know,

588
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: there's a learning development there with Tyree Jackson and you

589
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: know guys like Will Greer horrendous Senior Bowl, horrendous combine.

590
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: But the film is outstanding. So where does he fall

591
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: in the packing order? You know? Yeah, and you know what,

592
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: and he apparently he had a good Pro day and

593
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: I guess as My next question is how much stock

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Speaker 1: do you guys put into these offseason events on the

595
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Speaker 1: draft calendar, the Senior Bowl, to combine the pro days,

596
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Speaker 1: because I take it, I mean at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, NFL teams they're looking at the tape that's

598
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: what they go with, and I think these other things

599
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: are kind of supplemental. So when you have a case,

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Speaker 1: and I think Greer's an excellent example of someone who

601
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: had really good tape didn't fare so well in the

602
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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl in the combine, does that make you go

603
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: back to the tape and kind of do a double

604
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: take on what you saw to make sure it was correct.

605
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's a case by case for

606
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Speaker 1: each player. Will Greer's an interesting case because I don't

607
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: think anybody can figure that one out. I don't care

608
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: who you are. And that's the beauty of this whole

609
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: draft process, because if we came up with a proven formula,

610
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: if we had an exact science or method to the madness, hey,

611
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: fifty percent of every draft pick is going to be

612
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: a bust. You know. There's more undrafted free agents in

613
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Speaker 1: the NFL than fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round picks combined.

614
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: A third of every NFL roster consists of NFL you know,

615
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents. That's why we give so deep in

616
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: the publication because these undraft free agents are who make

617
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: an impact on your team. But to answer question, I think,

618
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, just like the NFL teams. We set our

619
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: board going into the combine. You get to the combine,

620
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: you check off the boxes as you know, as the

621
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Speaker 1: players perform. Hey, this is what I wanted to see.

622
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: I thought he was here. I thought, oh well, hey

623
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Speaker 1: he ran a real slow time Drey Baker, what happened here?

624
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: Oh well, I spoke to his interest trainer said, he

625
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: doesn't show up for workouts. He doesn't care about practice. Uh,

626
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, he's not a hard working guy. Oh okay,

627
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: well that makes sense. He didn't run so well, but hey,

628
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: he's a heck of an athlete on film. So I think,

629
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Speaker 1: you know, you try to, you know, go through the combine,

630
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: check off the boxes and the and the players who

631
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Speaker 1: don't you know, you kind of go back and say, hey,

632
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: what happened. Then you get a guy like John Kaminski

633
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: from Charleston, West Virginia, and you say, holy cow, well

634
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: how did I miss this guy running? You know, four

635
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: to six at two hundred and seventy pounds. A former

636
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: high school quarterbacker San Diego State cut end uh Kahali

637
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: Warren and he was playing goalie for his water team

638
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: and the high school football coach found him a senior

639
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: or of high school and said, hey, why don't you

640
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: give a tight end a shot? Um? So, you know,

641
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: I think after the combine you kind of say, hey,

642
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: well this guy, you know, he was a Day three guy,

643
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: but man, he ran a four to three forty. You know, hey,

644
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: you can't teach speed. Maybe he's you know, maybe he

645
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: goes from being a fourth or fifth round picking out

646
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Speaker 1: to a third round pick. So I think, you know,

647
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: when you have two evenly close, you know, graded players,

648
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: the combine comes into the factor because hey, now I

649
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: got the apples to apples to orange to orange comparison.

650
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: By time Pro Day rolls around, those are more for

651
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: the guys that weren't invited to Indianapolis. In my opinion, um,

652
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: some of the Day three undrafted guys to kind of

653
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Speaker 1: make a name for themselves, put themselves on the radar.

654
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: Hey Will Greer looks good and and Jim shorts and

655
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: a T shirt? Well, hey, I sure hope he does.

656
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: Because nowadays you got the quarterback coaches rehearsing two weeks

657
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: maybe two months leading up to this day. This day

658
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: everything scripted, you know. Now you know, now you're working

659
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: with the wide receivers, you have all the timing down

660
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: and you should look good. I mean, hey, I think

661
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater is the only guy that hasn't looked at

662
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: throwing in jim shorts and a T shirt. Right. So

663
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: by the Pro day rolls around for a quarterback, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm really not paying too much attention to because by

665
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: then you should have all your film, all your ducks

666
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: in a row, and have it all figured out by then.

667
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Speaker 1: Let's move to the Chargers. The last two years, they've

668
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Speaker 1: had fourteen picks and all of them are still on

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Speaker 1: the roster. Thirteen have played in a game. I believe

670
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: ten or eleven have started in a game. So this

671
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: team is truly built through the draft, and I just

672
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: wanted to get your take on what they've done the

673
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Speaker 1: last two years. With guys like Mike Williams, who had

674
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Speaker 1: eleven total touchdowns last year he was hurt his rookie season,

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Speaker 1: Darwin James and Desmond King who I mentioned those two

676
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: all pros this past season, and they've gotten some guys

677
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: in later rounds Justin Jones who started a playoff game,

678
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: Isaac Rochelle, who started for Joey Bosa for much of

679
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: the year until Joey got back, Sam Tevy, who solidified

680
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: himself as the starting right tackle for a bulk of

681
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Speaker 1: the season. They've found some guys and you know, and

682
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Speaker 1: you mentioned the undrafted free agents. You know, guys like

683
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Speaker 1: Michael Badgley, the kicker who's at the Senior Bowl last year,

684
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Speaker 1: and then Austin Eckler, who has proven to be really

685
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: a nice compliment to Melvin Gordon. It looks like the

686
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: Chargers have really done themselves some favors in the draft

687
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: and also through undrafted free agency. Yeah, Davis Brown is

688
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: another one. I know he was injured a little bit,

689
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: but I mean another day three steal and day trez

690
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: Knews some a guy, you know, undrafted free agent. You

691
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: saw him step in at the end of the season

692
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Speaker 1: and take on some carries. I'll tell you a real

693
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: quick story. A couple of years ago, I walked into

694
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Speaker 1: a training facility and one of the long time trainers

695
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: I know for many years says to me, Hey, you

696
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: got to come see this kid. I'd never seen him tested,

697
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: and anyone test as well on the first day, and

698
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, he comes in, never ran a forty before

699
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: in his life, runs into four threes, never did a

700
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Speaker 1: vertical jump in his life jumps forty something inches, you know,

701
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Speaker 1: ten ten, and abroad he goes, yeah, the kid I

702
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: found him at Western Ordon, you know in Tyrol Williams.

703
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, there's a perfect example. You know, you

704
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: build through the draft. You make your money in a

705
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: two day three really even undrafted free agency. Believe it

706
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: or not, it's just as important, if not more important,

707
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: because like you said, that's where you make your money.

708
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: You should know who the first round pick is, you

709
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: should know who the day two guys are. But now

710
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: when you can give yourself an edge, because hey, the

711
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: worst thing you can do is have cap room. Because

712
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, you'll you'll move your franchise

713
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: backwards if you build through the free agency, because you'll

714
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: always have to overpay. If you do your job, the

715
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Speaker 1: good players, you don't let them hit free agency if

716
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Speaker 1: you take care of your own. And now they came

717
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: through your system, they know your organization, they know what

718
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: you're looking for. Those are the guys you pay. And

719
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: you know you build through the d you built through

720
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: free agency, You're just gonna get yourself fired if you're

721
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: an NFL that's the worst thing you can do. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's why the Chargers. You know, I know

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of people who thought the Chargers

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Speaker 1: were going to be a solid team last year. I

725
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: was a little skeptical because I felt like we've been

726
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: saying that now every year. And finally, I think because

727
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, because they've been able to hit on

728
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Speaker 1: these draft picks, you know, they've been able to field

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Speaker 1: a competitive team. And I think there's something too, you know,

730
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Speaker 1: the younger player as opposed to the established veteran. When

731
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Speaker 1: you bring in these younger guys, it makes the whole competitiveness,

732
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: the atmosphere more desperate, more competitive, and I think a

733
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: solid team overall. So I think there's some truth to

734
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Speaker 1: that too. But now I like what the Chargers have

735
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: done here through the draft. I think they've set themselves

736
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Speaker 1: up for success. And you know, when you look up

737
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: and down the roster, there's depths here. I mean, people

738
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: forget Forrest lamp I mean, he was a highly rated guy.

739
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: Whether he comes back and contributes something, Dylan Cantrell is

740
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. I'm hearing very good things about. I

741
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: mentioned the fourteen the fourteen picks, Cantrell was the only

742
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: one who hadn't played in the game, and obviously, you know,

743
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: he was injured, and the wide receiver room was pretty

744
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: crowded last year. But I like Cantrell a lot. I

745
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: think he's got some things to prove in twenty nineteen. Yeah,

746
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And hey, listen, you know, hey,

747
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: Derek Kelly guy, I'm a Jersey guy. I'm looking at

748
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: the draft. You mentioned that they've been able to hit

749
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: on picks that can contribute and play and Rew on

750
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: the roster. That's so critical because you know, right here

751
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: in my backyard, I'm looking at the draft three and

752
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: just you know, four or five years ago. You go

753
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: back to the Jets draft from twenty fourteen, I think

754
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 1: it was, they had twelve selections in that year's draft.

755
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: Just five years ago, twelve selections. Ten of those picks

756
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: are out of the league entirely. Oh wow. So you

757
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: think it's a coincidence that they're still picking at the

758
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: top of the draft. That's how important the draft is. Rick,

759
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you out of here on this. The

760
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: Chargers they select twenty eight overall, and it's difficult to

761
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: know who's going to be there. But do you think

762
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some special players there regardless of position,

763
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: And who do you think could be available at that

764
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: end of the first round, knowing that four quarterbacks could

765
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: go in the first round and a lot of teams

766
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: are going to have their eye on defensive line. Well,

767
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think the interesting player is a Jeffrey Simmons,

768
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of people think just because

769
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: of that injury, you're gonna have to probably red shirt

770
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: him now his rookie season. Yeah, but without that injury,

771
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 1: he's probably a top ten, maybe even a top five

772
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Speaker 1: pick in this year's draft. And now there's some off

773
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: the field stuff. There's a video circulating with him punching

774
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: and kicking a female. You know it's out there, but

775
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: I think this is a guy that's going to sneak

776
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: into the back end of the first round. Now where hey,

777
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: you know you're getting a potential top five talent at

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Speaker 1: number twenty eighth. Overall, you have to start to you know,

779
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: way that risk reward factor now, And to me, that's

780
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: where you know this this back end of the first round,

781
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: there's always going to be guys flaw even Derwin James

782
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: last year. I mean I thought I had a top

783
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: ten great on him. And he slid to you guys,

784
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: so you know at twenty eight, I'm looking at maybe

785
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: a tight end right because we haven't hearned back for

786
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates. Now there's one of the Iowa kids remain

787
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: on the board at twenty eight. It's possible. You know,

788
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: to me, Hopkinson is a top ten town I've been.

789
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: This is my eighteenth year covering the draft. TJ. Howkinson

790
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: is as good as any tight end I've ever evaluated.

791
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: That's great I have on him. So I don't think

792
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: he's on the board, but maybe a no A fan is.

793
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: So that's a guy that could slide down. You know,

794
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: we talked about at Oliver maybe sliding down. I don't

795
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: think he makes it to twenty eight. But Christian Wilkins

796
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: from Clemson is another guy. No true position about the

797
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: inside is the outside. Hey, we know he's explosive, we

798
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: know he's an athlete. Let's find a home for this

799
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: guy at the next level. Marquis Hollywood Brown, you know,

800
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: to me, is the best receiver in the draft. But

801
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: he didn't test, couldn't perform at the combine, couldn't work

802
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: out of this pro day. Can you get the top

803
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: receiver at twenty eight. Hey, maybe it's not necessarily a

804
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: position of need, but you got away that kind of value.

805
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: To me, Chris Lindstrom from Boston College is a guy

806
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: if he if you tell me, Chris Lindstrom when it's

807
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: all said and done, is a top ten player from

808
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: this year's draft class. Twenty years from now when we

809
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: look back at it, I wouldn't be surprised, and I

810
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: don't think he's going in the first round. It's a

811
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Speaker 1: lot of names, Ricky, and you know you mentioned the

812
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: tight infer instance, like Hunter Henry's coming back. Hunter Henry

813
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: is a young tight end who has a lot of potential.

814
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: But when we talk about just weapons right in the

815
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: positionlessness of the game today and having two tight ends

816
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: on the field who can catch the football, who can block,

817
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily a bad thing. We've seen that throughout

818
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: the NFL. Oh yeah, well, hey, you remember when the

819
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: Patriots offense was explosive, they had Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski.

820
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: That's right, clicking on all cylinders, and you know, it's

821
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: not a bad model at all. At the same time,

822
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, what are you getting with Hunter Henry who

823
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: didn't play a single snap last season. So hey, if

824
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: I can take Noah Fan, who's going to be an

825
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: instant impact player, you know, at least in the red

826
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: zone immediately, and hey Hunter Henry, can you return to form?

827
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: And what we saw with him, well, hey, heck. Now

828
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: we're we're killing it in the scene, We're killing it

829
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: out bide, We're running underneath, we're running go routes. I mean,

830
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Speaker 1: this is a tough offense to suddenly defend against. Rick Saratella,

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft scout dot Com, the founder of the NFL

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834
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Speaker 1: month after the draft, and people gotta know, yeah, hey,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we got a whole month to digest all

836
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Speaker 1: the information and just go to NFL Draft scout dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Up there, menu bar you can you'll see the link

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Speaker 1: for the twenty nineteen drafts Guide aka the Draft Bible.

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Speaker 1: And of course, you know we're living on the Twitter

840
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: verse at NFL Draft Bible for all the latest news

841
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: leading up to Nashville. Rick, awesome stuff, man, really appreciate

842
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: the time and hope I have you go on to

843
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: get into the future. Hey, Chris, that was a lot

844
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Speaker 1: of fun. Let's do it again. That'll do it my

845
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: thanks to Rick, Sarah Tella, and Dan Hanss for joining me,

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Speaker 1: and of course thanks to you all for listening. Don't forget.

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Speaker 1: If you like what you hear this offseason, be sure

848
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Speaker 1: Please help spread the word. Have a great weekend, and

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Speaker 1: until next time, I'm Chris Harry