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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Is this this Morning Combat?

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Speaker 2: it's Fridays with MK. Welcome on in Friday, June ninth,

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Speaker 2: two thousand and twenty three, and you stumbled into the

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Speaker 2: Morning Combat. I'm your co hostess with the Mostess the

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Speaker 2: at the Turning Stump Asino in Verona, New York, International

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Speaker 2: Boxing Hall of Fame weekend and Tonight's Showbox the New Generation.

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Speaker 2: More to come. But the guy you're really here for

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Speaker 2: sports fight analyst ever among really good fight analysts who

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Speaker 2: have never been in a fight. It's Luke Thomas from Washington, DC. Look,

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Speaker 2: you still got that Canadian smoke down there or what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? The it's not as bad today so yesterday? That

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Speaker 2: Yes, wild times, But Luke, I want people to know

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Speaker 2: We've got a fantastic jacked up show today where we

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Speaker 2: that came down on last night's PFL four card, including

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Speaker 2: a big announcement of another Boxing MMA crossover, only maybe

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Speaker 2: right big weekend of the box from Showbox to Tayo

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Speaker 2: game today and reading your dead wrongs. Fantastic show for you,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'subfirmed. There it is, Luke. I'm not being held

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Speaker 2: here the Turning Stone in Verona. It's a triple header

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Speaker 2: humbly with huge condolences and love over over your your dog, Luken.

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Speaker 2: facing this battle with you, Luca was Lola right, shout

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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, Luke. Isn't that the place for Francis

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing that makes all of this

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Speaker 4: Like you're a big star. Francis is a big star.

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Speaker 1: You know, we'll take a cut but you guys get

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Speaker 1: you get a Wilder versus and Ganu boxing pay per view,

433
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Speaker 1: you would want the MMA one to be in a

434
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Speaker 1: roughly similar or if not identically similar platform. I don't

435
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Speaker 1: know how that would work. Actually. Also, like, isn't Wilder

436
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 1: a PBC guy?

437
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 2: Yes, but he has been really exploring all of his

438
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 2: options in Like basically, some guys get to a point,

439
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 2: Luke where they go, Okay, I want to go elsewhere,

440
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,199
Speaker 2: but I'm going to keep El Hayman as my manager,

441
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 2: as my advisor, right, Like Danny Jacobs left the PBC

442
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 2: bubble to sign with Eddie Hern and fight his last

443
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 2: big fights on his zone. Still an Al Hayman fighter,

444
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,199
Speaker 2: just not a PBC fighter. There is there have been

445
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 2: at times that separation. So it's a good question would

446
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,479
Speaker 2: PBC go with while they're into this venture. I don't know,

447
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 2: but I don't if you're PFL, I don't think.

448
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 1: You you don't go to the mat for that one. Yeah,

449
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: you don't go to the mat for that one.

450
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Speaker 2: You know. I'm saying if you're PFL, you need to

451
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Speaker 2: find a way to make the boxing fight as part

452
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Speaker 2: of your world. That's my opinion. Yes, like you even

453
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Speaker 2: if you what if you put them in the smart

454
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Speaker 2: cage with four once gloves and that was instead of

455
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Speaker 2: two fights, how about one hybrid fight? Isn't that the

456
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 2: move right now, Luke? Instead of two fights at separate disciplines.

457
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Speaker 2: Do the hybrid fight four once gloves, no takedowns or kicks,

458
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 2: just punches, but in the smart cage, Luke, isn't that

459
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 2: the move right now?

460
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not sure what the smart cage really

461
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 4: adds to it. Be honest, nothing is.

462
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Speaker 2: Real money right unless we're doing this in Saudi Arabia.

463
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 2: PFL is putting up the money.

464
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Speaker 1: On the boxing side. I don't know the they're doing that,

465
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Speaker 1: I mean on the side obviously.

466
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Speaker 2: That's my question. Yeah, that's my question is is would

467
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: this two fight deal be sync. There's a couple of

468
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: different promoters at play right like it's it's a it's

469
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: a messy scenario. But look, if you have visions of

470
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: what it would look like of Deontay Wilder and that crippling,

471
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: frightening power with four arms clubs, We've got the video

472
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Speaker 2: from the PFL broadcast for you to see.

473
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Speaker 1: Right.

474
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Speaker 5: Okay, I have four ound flows right here, sir, can

475
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Speaker 5: we put something these on?

476
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Speaker 6: Let me.

477
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Speaker 7: I put I'll put these on in the back and

478
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 7: and to to to to put my hands in them

479
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 7: and to feel the light weight of it. And I mean,

480
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Speaker 7: I can only imagine how much velocity I would get

481
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Speaker 7: out of a punch.

482
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Speaker 1: And then I go by, I don't.

483
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Speaker 7: Punch to you, I punch through you. So these right here,

484
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 7: it's a full definition of going straight through.

485
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Speaker 2: It's like a fifty k dees a ego right here.

486
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Speaker 8: See, we can make that happen Wilder. And I'm just

487
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Speaker 8: gonna say this. I'm gonna put this out there. The

488
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 8: PFL just signed the baddest heavyweight mix. His name is

489
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Speaker 8: Frantis Ghanu.

490
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Speaker 5: Okay, he's a lot closer to your side than either

491
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Speaker 5: of us are. He's a big time puncher and he

492
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Speaker 5: has expressed interest in boxing. So maybe one in your world,

493
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Speaker 5: maybe one in our world. I'm just saying that's what

494
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Speaker 5: the fans want.

495
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Speaker 1: Hey, Francis, is you listening. We discussed this.

496
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Speaker 7: Before, and hey we got minis space and opportunity to

497
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Speaker 7: discuss it once more. You know, Hey, I'm looking for

498
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Speaker 7: a too fight crossing over.

499
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Speaker 2: Interesting. Luke that that seemed to sum up what O'Connell said.

500
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Speaker 2: That it was, you know, do boxing in your world

501
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: and then come back to us for the second half.

502
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: We'll see if that's even possible. A lot has to happen,

503
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: But do you think to this is really the final statement?

504
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 2: Is Wilder's power so sublime that it's possible to have

505
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 2: a Ray Mercer Tim Sylvia moment with him in an

506
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Speaker 2: action MMA fight, whether it's in Ghana or somebody else, like?

507
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: Is that the type of power that when you do

508
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: put on the four once gloves, it doesn't matter because

509
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: if you can't get that takedown. That guy's gonna take

510
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: your soul.

511
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Speaker 4: Yes, dude, he has historic power.

512
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Speaker 1: And then the argument I've made about Wilder in boxing,

513
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: and I think the the TABE would back this up,

514
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: is like his right hand, we don't necessarily know it

515
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Speaker 1: to be the most powerful in every scenario that a

516
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: right hand can be thrown in uppercut, you know, or whatever.

517
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: But his right straight like his cross or his or

518
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: his straight punch either way, his backhand, what they would

519
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: say in boxing, his backhand is one of the most

520
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: powerful backhands of all time, of all time, of all time.

521
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: He's right up there with Shavers, He's right up there

522
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: with Foreman for that particular punch straight down with his powerhand.

523
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Speaker 1: So it's he's, he's. He is on the short list

524
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Speaker 1: of the heaviest punchers of all time. If you take

525
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Speaker 1: a glove and make it one third the size of

526
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Speaker 1: what it was before, and especially he's gonna have, you know,

527
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: at least by MMA striking standards, good timing, decent accuracy.

528
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: That still would make me pick and gone to in

529
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Speaker 1: an MMA five. But would you be a little nervous, Yeah,

530
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: I'd be a little nervous. A guy with some of

531
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Speaker 1: the best power we've ever seen in boxing do that,

532
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: I guess what I mean. It goes in both directions

533
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: in a way that not a lot of the other

534
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: permutations do because on the boxing side, Deontay is not

535
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: like super.

536
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 4: Technical relative to other guys.

537
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Speaker 1: And on the MMA side, obviously you'd have a huge

538
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: advantage Francis. But but but the power of Wilder would

539
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: just be extraordinary. So you'd still favor Deonta, you'd still

540
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: favor Francis, but you'd be you'd be you'd be a

541
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Speaker 1: little bit nervous at first.

542
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Speaker 2: I can't believe we're having this conversation as like a

543
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: matter of fact, like it could happen, like what a

544
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 2: what a wild.

545
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Speaker 4: Here's the only thing I don't see.

546
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Speaker 1: Here's the only part about last night I don't get

547
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: and understand something like making these things work is a

548
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: lot harder than folks realize. So I understand if the

549
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: PFL probably tried to do it or who knows that

550
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: Deontay can be a little Deontay is very friendly, but

551
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: he can be a little bit sensitive at times, so

552
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: who knows if he played a role, But if there

553
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: was an opportunity to get a face off with Francis

554
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: on TV. Man, I feel like that should have been

555
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: explored yesterday. And again, I want to be clear, I

556
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: haven't talked to him from the PFL yet. Maybe there

557
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: was and it all fell apart. I just want to

558
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: say it did seem like a missed opportunity because that

559
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: would have been I mean, it's cool to see, for example,

560
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: Deontay try on the gloves, but to see him right

561
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: there with Francis because Deontay is very tall.

562
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Speaker 4: He was like six foot seven.

563
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: Obviously you could see relative to even Randy Couture, who

564
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: was a heavyweight and a light heavyweight, just how big

565
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: Deontay is in terms of his frame. Man, that would

566
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: have been big. What a sales angle that would have been, right.

567
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Speaker 2: It could have been a moment like Mike Perry and

568
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor, right, Luke, It could have been a moment.

569
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: But I get your point, Hey. In that main event

570
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 2: of PFL four in Atlanta, we saw wild things take place.

571
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: Featherweight champion Brendan Locknan was set to take on Jesu's

572
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: Pinato Luke. The playoff scenarios entering this fight was that

573
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: if Locknan clinched a play A win of any kind

574
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: would give Brendan Lockman a spot in the playoffs to

575
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: defend his title. A Pinato win would clinch a playoff spot,

576
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: but only if it happened in the first round within

577
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: the first four minutes in fourteen seconds, and if Pinato

578
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: won after the fact, Lockanan would be in, and also

579
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: Chris Wade would be in. That sounds confusing, but basically,

580
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: if you're Pinato, you had four minutes in fourteen seconds

581
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: to pull a big upset Luke. He only needed a

582
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: minute and thirty four. Let's go to the videotape of

583
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: this wild upset.

584
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Speaker 9: Down Luke.

585
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: Not only did he get the win and advanced to

586
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: the playoffs, Pinato knocked Locknan out of the postseason, which, look,

587
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: let's be really honest, with all the drug test failures

588
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: that took names off, with not having an overabundance of

589
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: like faded UFC names to put in the main event,

590
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: like an Anthony Pettis, Lockman was kind of becoming the

591
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: face Kayla Harrison is not fighting right now. Lochman was

592
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: becoming one of those guys that you tune in to

593
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: see for PFL. Now he's out of the postseason. What

594
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: a wild turn of events.

595
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 4: I mean two things. So I watched that fight again

596
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 4: this morning.

597
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: I missed it last night obviously because yesterday was not

598
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: the most fun day of my life. So I watched

599
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: most of that stuff this morning up early, and what

600
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: really occurred to me was BC. I don't know if

601
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: you watched the whole fight, but Lockdin just seemed really

602
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: how do I say this exactly like, just wasn't throwing

603
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: very much. I don't have the stats in front of me.

604
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: By the way, shouts to the PFL team for changing

605
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: the graphics and not billboarding the entire screen with numbers

606
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: no one gives a fuck about. They dialed that back

607
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. I noticed it looks a lot better,

608
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: so shots over that change. But on top of that,

609
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: BC Lockdin just wasn't really active. He was waiting around

610
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: a lot. Pinato has a kind of a hurcey jerky movement,

611
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: but he was active, he was going for he was trying,

612
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: and it did just really really work. That's the first

613
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: thing I would say. The second thing is BC, back

614
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: before Belatore was taken over by Scott Coker and it

615
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: began to change as an organization, and what kind of

616
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: matchmaking they were doing and what they were prioritizing at

617
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: that time in twenty fourteen, to like Belatore twenty thirteen

618
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: and back, had this real reputation as a place where

619
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Speaker 1: the underdogs go to live because no one was getting

620
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: super favorable matchups for the most part. Everyone was just

621
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: having to work through their tournament structure. And it built

622
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: stars like Chandler and some other ones. But also you know,

623
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: it made guys who were on their way to being

624
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: stars or standouts in Belatore take tough fights and lose

625
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: all the time. Boy, that is exactly what we just

626
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: saw right here. This is why matchmaking is both a

627
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: delicate art and something of a science as well.

628
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: You gotta get it right for the right guys.

629
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: And my people might be saying always in this proof

630
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: of concept of what the PFL preaches, well, in a way,

631
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: that's true, but like it also to hamstrings them a

632
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: little bit promotionally because BC, as you well know, Lockedin's

633
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: story wasn't just triumphant. It took time to build to it.

634
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: He had to go through several fights, he had to

635
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: go through a season, he had to go through. This

636
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: can really arduous process and that takes a lot of

637
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: time off for it to not exactly go up and smoke,

638
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: but to get upended like that. Yeah, Pfel can say, hey,

639
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, no one gets the favorable matchups here.

640
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: But it also means all that.

641
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: Time you invested in this one guy story, you can't

642
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: continue to build on it in the same kind of

643
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: way as you were before. And that's why promoters have

644
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: eschewed in many cases these tournament formats, because they really

645
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: get to you in a way that more clever open

646
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: handed matchmaking just gives you a lot more flexibility around

647
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: timing and who you want to put in that space.

648
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: Did you just say, Jed meshw.

649
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 4: Eschew means to reject.

650
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: I thought that was eschewed. I thought that was the

651
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: correct pronunciation.

652
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: It might be I haven't. Yeah, it might be.

653
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: It might be or buoyed.

654
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: I can't.

655
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: I won't fight you. You It might be right I'm

656
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: saying sq, but it might be schew. You might be right.

657
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not pedantic, Luke, So you can go

658
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: in any direction you want with that. But shout out

659
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: to Jesus Pinato, who, like I said, had a time

660
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: block on and I do like that element of the

661
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: season format with PFL, where there are these scenarios where

662
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: it's like you see that in soccer sometimes you need

663
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: a certain you need to win, but you need to

664
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: win by a certain amount of goals to advance. He advanced,

665
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: He got it done. Brendan Locknane's twenty twenty three story

666
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: is behind him, Luke. The story of Marlon Moris, though,

667
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: is now behind him completely. Reich was in the featured

668
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: preliminary about on Thursday night, taking on Gabriel Braga, and

669
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: he suffered, unfortunately what a lot of us would have predicted,

670
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: which was a pretty devastating first round TKO defeat. But

671
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: then he took off his gloves. Luke, and the thirty

672
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: five year old who finishes his career with a record

673
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: of twenty three thirteen to one, suffered his seventh straight

674
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: TKO defeat and ended his career with eight losses in

675
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,239
Speaker 2: nine fights, all by knockout. Yet when they put him

676
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: on the microphone, you're about to hear it, you felt

677
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: good in some regard that Marie got to go out

678
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: on his own terms back in the promotion that he

679
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: first made it big. Let's listen to Marlin.

680
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 10: Very confident since we first saw him in the Challenger series.

681
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 10: And you see Marlon Morice now on one knee, he

682
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 10: has his gloves off. He's talking to his coaches there.

683
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: They very well be a sign that he has done

684
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: with his.

685
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: Mixed martial arts career.

686
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 10: And Sean O'Connell is in the cage about to talk

687
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 10: to the legend Marlon Morie, Marlin.

688
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 5: We're gonna talk to Gabriel Bragan just a moment.

689
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: The gloves are off.

690
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 4: I see the tears.

691
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 5: Is this the last time we will see you in

692
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 5: professional mixed martial arts?

693
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 11: Yes?

694
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 12: Man, I start here.

695
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: With the word says that fighting.

696
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 9: You know.

697
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 12: And when I announced my retirement, I wasn't e FC.

698
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: I wasn't home. Now I'm a home.

699
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 12: I wish I had better performances here, you know, But guys,

700
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 12: I gave him all my heart. I trained hard, I

701
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 12: can't hoop myself in the mirror every day, and pretty

702
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 12: proud of myself. And I've been I've been a kickboxing

703
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 12: may since I was nine. I'm thirty five, twenty six,

704
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 12: twenty six years. I gave all my life for this,

705
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 12: and I thank Anderson, my coach. I thank Ali Abdallas

706
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 12: is my manager. I thank Ray Seer for the opportunity

707
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 12: and I take all the plans right here, you know.

708
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 12: And I wish pfel I was gonna be number one

709
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 12: in the world.

710
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 9: And this guy we just fluted, you know.

711
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: I wish him the best.

712
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 12: I wish everyone of the best. He's a great fighter.

713
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: And man, I gave my heart.

714
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 12: For the sport, and thank you God, God gave him

715
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 12: me all I have. I can't be said today. I'm happy, man,

716
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 12: I have a beautiful wife.

717
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 7: Your yids, I.

718
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 4: Know, well, Marlon, there's been an honor to.

719
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: Announce your final fights.

720
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, congratulations on a legendary career, ladies and gentlemen, Marlon Marian's.

721
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: Luke. I know that was long, but I'm glad we

722
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: ran that in full because fres rough and ending as

723
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: he had and as much, we all rightfully sort of

724
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: joined arms and was like, why is he still fighting?

725
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 2: Why are we doing this? Why these extra PFL fights?

726
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: That's about as like real, honest and joyful somebody walking

727
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: off on their own terms. I mean, I say my

728
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: own his own terms. They weren't going to put him

729
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: back out there, but it felt like a graduation moment

730
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: to see how much he puts into it, how much

731
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 2: this run meant to him in his career. The full

732
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: circle moment of having been the World Series of Fighting

733
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: champion before coming to the UFC and coming back home.

734
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 2: As he said, there's something was a real I caught

735
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 2: feels from that there was something real, pure there, and

736
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: I was happy to see some elements of how this

737
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 2: all went down living.

738
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: I agree mostly, But I mean, I just want to

739
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: point out something that I think is true, which is,

740
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: if he had done this three fights ago, I still

741
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: think we would have had the exact same feelings of gratitude,

742
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: not merely for the opportunity to watch his career, but

743
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: to watch the career of somebody who they was a

744
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: high achiever who did really really well in large part, right,

745
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean, the ending here has not been great, but

746
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: most of what he has done has been very very

747
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: very high level, very highly accomplished, and deserving of praise

748
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: and admiration. I take my hat off to him. He

749
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: had a great career in large part, you know, But

750
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: I don't think he had to wait to get to

751
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: this point to get his flowers in the way that

752
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: he got them last night. The first thing I'd say

753
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: and listen. The other thing is too it's easy to

754
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: go after a guy like, oh, well, where was his manager?

755
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: Where was her friends? Where was his camp? You know,

756
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: these guys are going to make their own decisions, and

757
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: I am certain that this was not the first time

758
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: that those people were trying to tell him to call

759
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: it off. And ultimately he has to see it by himself.

760
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: So he sounded pretty good on the mic BC. I

761
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 1: am but I will just tell you how I feel

762
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: about it. I feel gratitude for having watched his career.

763
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean that sincerely, but also I feel a little

764
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: bit of relief, Like I feel a little relief that

765
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: it kind of came to a close in the way

766
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: that it did, because it went on way too long,

767
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: and whoever's fault, that is no matter. Again, I want

768
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: to be clear, I don't know if his people did

769
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: or didn't try, and guessing that they did try and

770
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: he just didn't. You know, he's got his own view

771
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: of things, and that's the way this cookie crumbles. But

772
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,479
Speaker 1: this didn't need to go on as long as it did.

773
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm happy it's over, but like, fuck, man, that was

774
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: a long road to it was.

775
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: So he's he's thirty five. Now, he was thirty one

776
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: when that losing streak began, and it all seemed to

777
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: fall apart in his highest point in the UFC in

778
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, right facing Henry su Hudo for the vacant

779
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: bantamweight title win a fight of course that we know

780
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: he was winning until he wasn't. But that changed him

781
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: and changed the streak. But this is a delicate spot

782
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: to be in. When somebody is thirty one, thirty two,

783
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: thirty three, the losses are piling up against elite fighters,

784
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 2: it just so happens that it's ending in knockout every

785
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: single time. Yet Luke, he's always in tremendous shape. I'm

786
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: sure when he goes into camp he still feels like

787
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: he can do it all short of the punch resistance,

788
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 2: which is obviously a major part of this. It's different

789
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 2: when somebody's thirty seven, thirty eight and it's Chuck Ladellen.

790
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: We're just like Chuck, we just don't want to see you.

791
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: We know your game, but we just don't want to

792
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: see you keep getting hurt. When you're Ma Reich or

793
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: somebody like Penn and Barrow, who was in that situation,

794
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: still not even thirty when he started falling apart. It's

795
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: hard for us to tell them, Okay, now at thirty two,

796
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: go sell insurance, or go coach, or go do something

797
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: when they probably feel like they're just one win away

798
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: from turning that around. So at the very least, he

799
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: got to get it all out of his system at

800
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: a point where he still looks, you know, good physically,

801
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: the way he speaks and stuff. But man, he did

802
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: have Like when they call him a legend. When you

803
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: hear him say the legend Marlon Moriyce, You're like, all right,

804
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: a World Series of Fighting legend, But then you look

805
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: at the fine print. Let's actually give him his flowers.

806
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: He's the inaugural World Series of Fighting bantamweight champion, won

807
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: that title in twenty fourteen, made five defenses, then comes

808
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: to the UFC and Luke. Here are the notable names

809
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: he defeated in the octagon, John Dodson, Al Jamaine Sterling,

810
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: Jimmy Rivera, Haafiella Sonsau and Jose Aldo. Not bad, Marlon

811
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: Moriys not bad at all. Respect on the way out,

812
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like respect.

813
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: By the way, he didn't just beat Al Jamine Sterling.

814
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: He sent him to the land of wind in ghosts

815
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, honestly, that loss probably is the

816
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: thing that turned al Joe into the fighter he became,

817
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: because he really work on the part of his games

818
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: that were lacking. Marlin Morice gave him a lesson that night. Again,

819
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: shouts to Aljo for accomplishing what he did. But it

820
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: took running into a buzzsaw in Marlin to get to

821
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: that next spot, and that was because Marlin is incredible.

822
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: He was certainly.

823
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: PFL also announced their playoff schedule for this year, Luke.

824
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: The first playoff card will take place August fourth in

825
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: San Antonio. That's featherweights and light heavyweights, and the last

826
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: two playoff cards will take place August eighteenth and twenty

827
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: third at the Hulu Theater there at Madison Square Garden

828
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: or whatever they call that theater these days.

829
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: So, by the way, if that where I mean, hold on, Like,

830
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: aren't Taylor and Tao fighting in the Hulu Theater?

831
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: Yes, both fighters not happy. Tayo and his dad really

832
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: not happy. But that's a good transition, Luke, because it's

833
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: time for topic two. In our boxing preview, we did

834
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: not because of the technical difficulties have a chance to

835
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: sort of hit the storylines about this card, but up

836
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: the many boxing cards this weekend. Do not Sleep on

837
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: Saturday nights, offering on ESPN and ESPN plus ten pm

838
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 2: Eastern is the main card from the Theater at MSG

839
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: Josh Taylor will defend. Now, just I keep calling him

840
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: the undisputed champion. Lukey achieved that in twenty twenty one

841
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: when he beat Jose Ramirez to unify all four belts.

842
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: He has been stripped or has vacated three of them

843
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: in the last year for refusing to fight mandatories. At

844
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: one point he was going to move up to one

845
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: forty seven, then he decided to stay. But here we go, Luke.

846
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: The WBO unbeaten champion is Josh Taylor at nineteen and

847
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: zero and he will welcome former unified slash undisputed based

848
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 2: on based on the title bullshit debate, it's Tayo Fema Lopez,

849
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: the former lightweight king who has won two straight fights

850
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: out one hundred and forty pounds. But look, this fight

851
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: is really interesting in a lot of ways. One because

852
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 2: it's a great fight between two exciting and highly highly

853
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: skilled combatants. One loss between them thirty seven wins between them,

854
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: but they are both coming off of performances in disputed wins.

855
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: That does bring up a certain amount of questions. For

856
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: Josh Taylor, we have to go all the way back

857
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: to February of twenty twenty two when he fought Jack Catter.

858
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: He got knocked down in the eighth round. He held

859
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: on for a split decision that was very controversial and disputed,

860
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: but it was his sixth straight victory over unbeaten opponents

861
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: during an incredible run. So you have to ask yourself,

862
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: what's his stock coming in Tayo Fema, on the other hand,

863
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: we're talking about the December fight of last year against

864
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: late replacement Sandor Martin, who is better than a late

865
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: replacement to be fair, a difficult saltbaw, but Tao would

866
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: take a split decision win over ten rounds. He was

867
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: knocked down a round one, and of course Luke we

868
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: remember him saying to the camera do I still have it?

869
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: Do I still got it? To which he would go

870
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: on later and say that was a trap to try

871
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: to entice the big names. At one trap or not,

872
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: he got the biggest name arguably at one forty Luke

873
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: I laid out the questions and concerns. The other question

874
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: is Tato's mental state. We'll get to that. But on paper,

875
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 2: these two great fighters. How much should we focus on

876
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: the questionable victories and their last outings to handicap who

877
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: might win on Saturday night.

878
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: Fairmount? I think a fair amount. And the reason why

879
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: is because Tayo Femo Lopez's last opponent was a guy

880
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: by the name of Sandor Martin or Martin.

881
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 4: Sandor Martin is.

882
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: A South Paul fighter, so it's an open stance fight, right,

883
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: and the thing we saw with Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis.

884
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: Obviously they are very different fighters than these two, but

885
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: it's that open stance thing where it's with the fighters

886
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: do not have the same stance. They have an open

887
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: stance South Paul versus Orthodox and Sandor Martin. Because of

888
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: that was able to create a lot of different problems

889
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: for someone like Tao Fema Lopez Lopez. The difference between

890
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: them is I would actually argue BC Lopez is much younger,

891
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: I think, with twenty five to twenty six whatever he is,

892
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: and Taylor's thirty two. So the way I line this

893
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: up as you've got a guy in Lopez who is

894
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: very skilled, but those skills come a little bit short

895
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: overall as a boxer to me, relative to the Tartan Tornado,

896
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: and more to that point, they become particularly accentuated in

897
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: that circumstance. Sandor Martin was able to do certain things

898
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: because of that position that just gave all kinds of

899
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: problems to Lopez. I want to remind folks, Sandor Martin

900
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: dropped Lopez. Lopez only won via split decision, and even

901
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: that is somewhat contested about whether or not he really

902
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: fully deserved it. You just have to think, I mean,

903
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: as bad as Taylor looked against Jack Caterall and then

904
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: he looked fucking bad that you know, that was what

905
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: That was a really bad decision that went in Taylor's favor. Nevertheless,

906
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: just the overall amount of boxing experience and IQ relative

907
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: to someone like Lopez, and my judgment relies a lot

908
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: more on athleticism to compliment his skill than Taylor. Dude,

909
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: I see this as a very tough matchup for a

910
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,479
Speaker 1: guy like Lopez, not to say he couldn't win, because

911
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: he is dynamic, he is powerful, he is athletic, and

912
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: certainly it's boxing like you know, you're gonna get hit.

913
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: But skill for skill, especially in this position, I have

914
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: to tell you uphill climb for me on the Lopez

915
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: side big time.

916
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: Well, look, I think the betting oddsmen don't really know

917
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: what to do with this. You got Taylor on a

918
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 2: sixteen month layoff coming off that flat performance. We talked about,

919
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: like if we're going to debate the disputed wins, I

920
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 2: think Lopez had a much better argument of having beaten

921
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 2: Sando Martin legitimately than Taylor did against Catterall, even though

922
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: Taylor did persevere in the second half, step on the gas,

923
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: try to make it a fight and succeeded according to

924
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: the judges. But as we stand right now, the odds

925
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: makers have Josh Taylor minus two hundred Taylo Femo Lopez

926
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: plus one fifty five. To clarify, in the ages, it's

927
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: actually thirty three for Taylor and just twenty five for Lopez,

928
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: which is wild and Luke, I want to play this

929
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: faced offf video where before we continue to talk about

930
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: some of the storylines that lead us here. It got

931
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: a little bit contentious. It's been contentious the whole build.

932
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: This is the press conference yesterday and the end of it.

933
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: Let's take a look. We're in right there back, I'm

934
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: we're talking to were talking.

935
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 6: I know close proximity is understand.

936
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 9: I'm gonna why can't we do a base? Why can't we.

937
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: Do a base? There is Hey, guys, don't go to

938
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: see this guy. He say, ugg, I got you, I

939
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 2: got you. All yeah, let's go look at it looked

940
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: like he was in Taylor's head or as Taylor just

941
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: pissed off because Taylor walked off that that that interview

942
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: series thing, the top rank set up where they were

943
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: talking trash over satellite, and Taylor just got up and

944
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: left in the middle of it. He was sick of tailor,

945
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 2: of tail ship.

946
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: Dude, you need you need to tell the audience the truth,

947
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: tell them about the column you wrote and the shit Lopez.

948
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, let's let's transition to that.

949
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: Tell them the truth.

950
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: So here's the deal. If you ask yourself, why is

951
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: Lopez the underdog here? Why are there more questions about him?

952
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: Lopez at one thirty five right. His last fight at

953
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 2: lightweight was when he was upset by George Campbosis Junior

954
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, which had a big fallout. Of course,

955
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 2: because Tayo, they found out after had the tornesophagus suffered

956
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: in training camp. The doctor said he almost died. Remember

957
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: that fight was on his own, not ESPN. Because of

958
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: the purse bid. There was a lot of crazy fallout

959
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: of Tao, you know, saying that De Zone paid off

960
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: the judges, Like I mean, there was craziness after there.

961
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: But Tao's still with top rank, even though he said

962
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: at one point in the build of this fight that

963
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: this is his last fight on the deal. Now he's

964
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: correcting that and saying it isn't. His deal goes to

965
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Then Bob Aram says, no, we got

966
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: him for three more years. He's crazy, Luke, The thing

967
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: is he might be crazy, but first for a boxing angle,

968
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: here's why Tao's the underdog. He was dynamic and shit

969
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: at one thirty five right could do ROYD Jones. Shit.

970
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: I had ROYD Jones on my old boxing podcast. He said,

971
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: the only fighter I've ever seen that reminds me of

972
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: Roy Jones is Tao. Female the quick twitch fiber of

973
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: being able to leap in with those left hooks, but

974
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: also having a savviness in boxing. He wouldn't have beaten

975
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: Lomachenko if he didn't have that same savviness, right, But

976
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: he's only twenty five and has accomplished so much. Yet

977
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: we have a lot of people questioning if he's done

978
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: at the elite level in the fear in This is

979
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: a combination of his mental state mixed with those two

980
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: performances at one hundred and forty pounds, both victories, but

981
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: they only showed flashes of the old Tao, which is you.

982
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: We have to ask yourselves how much did Tao lose

983
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: from that Cambosas fight, from everything that happened, losing the invincibility,

984
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: the physical toll, everything that happened. Don't forget it was

985
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: also a war. Is it that? Or did he also

986
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: not necessarily carry that power up with him. You mentioned

987
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: that sometimes a little bit too obsessive or focused on

988
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: the athleticism side of it. I think that's true. I

989
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: don't think his power is as explosive at one forty.

990
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: He's fighting a guy in Taylor who is as big

991
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: of a junior welterweight as you can find, and is

992
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: also a south Paul who can also box just as

993
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: well as he can brawl. If he has to go

994
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 2: watch the Regis program fight if you need more proof.

995
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: But look what I have seen from Tao at one

996
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: fort as a boxer is there's not enough boxing. He's

997
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 2: sort of following his opponents around, trying to land one

998
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: of those big shots. I thought he did a better

999
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: job against Sandor Martin, putting on pressure but not leading,

1000
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: looking for Martine to put the job out, and trying

1001
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 2: to counter big with explosive shots. The problem is it's

1002
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 2: one shot at a time. He doesn't use his jab anymore.

1003
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: Roy Jones didn't use his jab, but that was considered

1004
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: the great anomaly. Why because Roy Jones was faster, with

1005
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: better reflexes than timing than arguably any boxer who has

1006
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: ever lived on this planet. Okay, Tayo's not Roy Jones.

1007
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: This is reminiscent to some degree of the path Adriaan

1008
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: Broner went, could you compare the two outside the ring?

1009
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: I hope not. But inside the ring, Broner at one

1010
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: thirty five was a weight bully with big power who

1011
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: would stand in front of you, duck your shots, and

1012
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: just use his power to get you out of there

1013
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: in a methodical, predictable type of way. When he moved

1014
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: up in weight, even though he won world titles in

1015
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: those weight classes, he was never able to carry his power,

1016
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: but he never truly went into the boxing mode. He

1017
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: had a boxing background, he was a high level amateur.

1018
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: All that he has always relied too much on not

1019
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: throwing enough punches and trying to rely on power that

1020
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 2: didn't carry up with him. It was frustrating to watch

1021
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: him at times in big fights when Broner would fight

1022
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: elites and he just couldn't pull out a game plan

1023
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: that would give him the best chance to win. I

1024
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: think we fear that for Teo Femo up front. Then

1025
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 2: you add in the mental factor, Luke, I've got legitimate

1026
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: concerns about where Tayo Femo is right now as a man,

1027
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: not necessarily a fighter. I wrote to call him bout

1028
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: it on CBS Sports. You can look at it at length.

1029
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: Even though Tao said this week at the press conference

1030
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: that this is the best version of me that I

1031
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: have yet to see in myself, it's hard to have

1032
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: that full confidence. He's going through a divorce right now,

1033
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: which cannot be easy. He's talked at length that his

1034
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: wife is trying to get half of his money and

1035
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: is kind of keeping his son away from him. He

1036
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: has always had family drama with his dad and trainer Jose.

1037
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 2: I'm sorry Teo Femo Senior, who they called Junior by

1038
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,479
Speaker 2: the way. That drama has led to crazy moments. But Luke,

1039
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 2: do you remember the Taaloe Femo of old, the guy

1040
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: before the Cambosis fight, who was only twenty twenty one,

1041
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: twenty two years old, even with the craziness around him,

1042
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: of his dad getting him into fights against Loma that

1043
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 2: we didn't know if he was ready for. Or remember

1044
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 2: the Nakatani fight where he came out flat that night

1045
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: and was lucky to hang on to a win. He

1046
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: told me on my podcast after that his mother and

1047
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: his sister were fighting with his fiance backstage up until

1048
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 2: the second that he made the ring walk. But he's

1049
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: always been able to put it back on the tracks.

1050
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: What do they do after Nakatani knocked out Komi, he

1051
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: beat Lomachenko. He doesn't have, though, that same poise, in

1052
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: that same safe look in the interviews that I used

1053
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: to see the rare guy who's young but has poised

1054
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: beyond his years and can sort of block out that

1055
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: stuff and just focus. I question if that guy's still

1056
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: there because Luke, there's been a lot of controversy the

1057
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: past couple months. He hasn't done a lot of additional media,

1058
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: but Tato has been on this Punch Drunk Boxing podcast

1059
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: a lot. He said, what I like about boxing is

1060
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: best is I could kill a guy and get away

1061
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: with it. Then he doubled down and said, I'm gonna

1062
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: kill Taylor in this fight. My plan is to kill

1063
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: Taylor Luke. That drew a lot of controversy in headlines.

1064
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: So Lopez caught up with Marcos Vegas this week on

1065
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: fight Hub TV, and this is what he said about

1066
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: the controversy. He says, Look, this is what I mean.

1067
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: Boxing is soft. I was going to pass away against

1068
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: Cambosis because of the injuries. Literally, I thank god I'm

1069
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: still here. But if I had gone, they would do

1070
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: the ten bell count and people would miss me for

1071
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: a little bit and then be forgotten. I'm not apologizing

1072
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: for my comments. If he dies, he dies. People have

1073
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: died in the ring. This is what the sport's all about.

1074
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: I'm not someone who apologizes. I know people want to

1075
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: punish me for these words, but what the fuck are

1076
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: you going to punish me for? Because I'm speaking truth,

1077
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: that people die in there. Sorry if my words are

1078
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: too strong, Sorry that you're too sensitive for this. If

1079
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: you don't like it, don't sign up for boxing. You

1080
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: don't like it, don't watch boxing, go watch MMA. Those

1081
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: guys die less and whoa they asked him on Punch

1082
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: drig podcast. He's crazy, he said. People will call me

1083
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: crazy because you can't be outspoken. But the most intelligent

1084
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 2: ones are crazy. I'm sorry to say. The ones very

1085
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: awoke are really crazy. When I see death, I chase it. Luke,

1086
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna package those quotes with him accusing Top Rank

1087
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: of favoring black fighters and not giving him a push

1088
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: him in this feud out of nowhere with the announcers

1089
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: Tim Bradley and Andre Ward. That doesn't make a ton

1090
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: of sense. Boxers have always lived on the edge, from

1091
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson to Hector Camacho to so many of them, Arturogatti.

1092
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: I've known Tail a long time because I interviewed him

1093
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: back before he was anybody, and he's such a great quote.

1094
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: I have such great respect for who he is, or

1095
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: maybe who he was, but who he is now scares

1096
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: the shit out of me for his own future. Am

1097
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: I right? Did you see his eyes, his face in

1098
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: these interviews. He broke out the Bible with Marcos Vegas

1099
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: and was reading the Book of Job and comparing himself

1100
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: to Job and then comparing I guess top rank in

1101
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: ESPN to Satan. It was bizarre, Luke, everything lately has

1102
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: been bizarre.

1103
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it seems to me that he's had

1104
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: long standing issues, and I think the way you discussed

1105
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 1: it was right that he's basically been able to cover

1106
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: for them.

1107
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 4: I mean, for the folks who.

1108
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: Missed the rise of Lopez into the Lomachenko fight, the

1109
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: only way I can explain it for an MMA audience

1110
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: would be he had a little bit BC. Maybe you

1111
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: might disagree with this, but I'm probably not that run

1112
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: through the Lomachenko fight right stop. At the Alumachenko fight,

1113
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: he had a little bit of that Connor McGregor magic

1114
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: where he was young guy coming through, calling his shots,

1115
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: doing the impossible. I mean, he was hitting people as

1116
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: he brought his arm behind his back in a boxing fight,

1117
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: like they would go this way, he would bring his

1118
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: arm behind his back and then hit them. Here he

1119
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: was knocking out Coomb. When did he knock out comb?

1120
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 7: Me?

1121
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: First?

1122
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: Or second round or whatever. Second round. I mean, just

1123
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 1: is a very good boxer and just blowing through guys. Right,

1124
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: he had this incredible push, But what seems to me

1125
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: is a couple of things have happened. One, I don't

1126
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: know that he's invested in the technical side of his

1127
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: sport as much as he should have. He was able

1128
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: to do a lot of interesting things through the Lumachenko fight,

1129
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: but I don't know that I've seen enough progress since then.

1130
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: And then more to that point, there whatever other distractions

1131
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: he has in life and how he manages his personal affairs,

1132
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: it clearly has derailed his focus. In my judgment, right,

1133
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: it has made him paranoid in certain ways. It has

1134
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: made him withdrawn in other ways. It has made him

1135
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: weird to talk to. I mean, we didn't show it,

1136
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: but during the press conference that these guys had, there's

1137
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: a moment where like they're going back and forth and

1138
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: Taylor is just saying things about what's going to happen

1139
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be a surviving retirement and all

1140
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: this weird stuff until point where Taylor gets talked into

1141
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: just silence because he doesn't even know what to say

1142
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: to the guy anymore. It was, but awkward. It was

1143
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: super awkward. So it's really just kind of weird. It's

1144
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: really just kind of weird the whole thing. And I

1145
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: don't know that like you definitely you see guys who

1146
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: can be really weird and then use that to fuel

1147
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: them to greatness. But on the other hand, you can

1148
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: see guys who can kind of get around it as

1149
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: like it's attax that doesn't ordinarily cause them to lose

1150
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: and instead, Now, what I think you have is just

1151
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: that you have a situation where the tax of all

1152
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: of that is becoming a little bit too high. The

1153
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: paranoia about who's out to get him, the finger pointing

1154
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: about all of the dark forces and the sport that

1155
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: are out to get him, rather than the sort of

1156
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: like triumphant, positive takeover tone that he wants used to have.

1157
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: There's a subtle shift between them between me against the

1158
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: world and the world is against me. There's a little

1159
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: bit of a difference there between them. Even though it

1160
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: sort of sounds the same to me, he's kind of

1161
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: tipped over into the other versus being in the former previously.

1162
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm nervous because I like him a lot. I've

1163
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 2: always enjoyed interviewing him. I've always enjoyed just what we

1164
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: talked about his ability to sort of keep that poison

1165
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: focus despite the craziness. And the talk used to be, well,

1166
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: you know, he should probably just cut ties with his dad,

1167
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 2: and not that that's an easy move, but the talk was,

1168
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 2: you know, is his dad technical enough or as good

1169
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: enough of trainer. They have done consulting at different times, Luke,

1170
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: and there's been some talk his dad had done interviews

1171
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: that said they did visit with team Canelo and Eddie

1172
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: Renoso and get But at the end of the day,

1173
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 2: the dad always says, you know, but I'm the mastermind.

1174
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: I'm the head coach.

1175
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 9: Let it.

1176
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: Let it be known. We used to just debate if

1177
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: that relationship was going to derail his upper bound limits

1178
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: of his boxing career. Now I'm talking scarier because there's

1179
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about life or death. He's done

1180
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: given a lot of long quotes this week about the

1181
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: glory and honor of being able to die in the ring,

1182
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: which I don't love when people do that at all.

1183
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: And then the business side is weird, you know. Bob Aram,

1184
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: like I said yesterday, did an interview where he said

1185
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: Tao can say all this craziness about hate in ESPN.

1186
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: He's with us for three years, and he's with ESPN

1187
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: if he's with us. So Tao had told Marcos Vegas

1188
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 2: that look, guys, I have a contract, but essentially contracts

1189
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 2: are made to be broken. What Tao's plan was, he said,

1190
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: I'm a whore and I need to be paid for it.

1191
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: He wants to start takeover promotions now moving forward and

1192
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: do one off fights and not sign with any networks

1193
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: or promoters like that works if you're Canelo or Miguel

1194
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: Coto at the end of his career or Floyd Mayweather.

1195
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: When you just get to a certain level where you're

1196
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: the draw, people will play on your terms. Tayo's not

1197
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: there yet. He's done great things before the age of

1198
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: twenty five, like almost almost hall of fame things. I

1199
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: don't really mean he's beaten enough guys where he's a

1200
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, but he jumped into the Palm for

1201
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 2: pound rankings like at such a young age and beat

1202
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: the number one pound for pound guy in Lomachenko in

1203
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: astoundingly to the McGregor magic. Your point, it is comparable

1204
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: in how that sort of just all happened and took place.

1205
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: But sometimes when it goes and when I say it,

1206
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: sometimes we're talking about chin, sometimes we're talking about speed.

1207
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: In this case, I'm fearful, Luke, that it's that poise

1208
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: that focus, that reality. He's been incredibly conspiratorial after the

1209
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: Cambosas fight in many different weird areas. I think him

1210
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: and his dad are severely overvaluing themselves at the moment,

1211
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: they're talking about how this fight is the most important

1212
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: of his career because this will give them the freedom

1213
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: to do what they want, not if you're under contract

1214
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: to top break in ESPN. Still like that's just how

1215
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: the game works. So, Luke, in terms of this matchup,

1216
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: Taylor's the rightful favorite. If Tail's not gonna box like

1217
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: this may be a really really really tough night form.

1218
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really it comes down to that. Again, I

1219
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: think Lopez is the better athlete of the two, certainly

1220
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: the more like, you know, springy, explosive athlete. You mentioned

1221
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: the fast twitch fibers. That's definitely true, that definitely plays

1222
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: a role and that could always do wonders for you.

1223
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: But you know, leaving your feet like that against a

1224
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: skilled operator in the way that Taylor is is also

1225
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: just super risky, and one more time I'm going to

1226
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: go back to it. I really don't know how the

1227
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: open stance. I just don't see Lopez's best work coming

1228
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: from that position. Candidly, I don't think he really is

1229
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: all that great about it, and Taylor has a good job.

1230
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: Taylor and Frank Martin have great pull two counters, by

1231
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: the way, right, so I feel like a guy who

1232
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: lunges against a guy who has a known good pull

1233
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: two counter just is a recipe for disaster, you know,

1234
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: for him as well. Like I want to be clear,

1235
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: like is Lopez out of this fight? Far from it.

1236
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: The odds are pretty close, especially for a boxing man event.

1237
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: I think minus for plus two hundred in the with

1238
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: Taylor being the favorite as you indicate it, But BC

1239
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,959
Speaker 1: like it's a twelve round fight. Skills win fights in

1240
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: both boxing and MMA, and the more skilled guy is

1241
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: definitely Taylor. The only question is if was the Catterall

1242
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: fight just like a really bad matchup on a bad

1243
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: night for a guy who, by the way, hasn't been

1244
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: very active nowther guy's been super active in that way,

1245
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: like one fight per year since Biscuit tween nineteen for Taylor.

1246
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: Was it that's a bad night, or you know, just

1247
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: just couldn't quite get it done against the poneum at

1248
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: that time, or is it a sign of really bad

1249
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,479
Speaker 1: decline If he's falling off a cliff, all bets are off.

1250
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's quite falling off a cliff yet.

1251
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that.

1252
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: Well, there is a scenario where Taylor, with the sixteen

1253
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: month layoff, the bad performance last time, and the age

1254
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: of thirty three, will it all catch up to make

1255
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: him more human than he was? And let's say Tayo,

1256
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: who is in tremendous shape Luke, Let's say he comes

1257
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: in dials it up to the top level. Could this

1258
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 2: be an even and competitively Absolutely? I think the odds

1259
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 2: makers were a little nervous of where exactly is Taylor at.

1260
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: But styles make fights, and the styles we've seen, if

1261
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,959
Speaker 2: Tao had that much trouble with sandor Martin. In terms

1262
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: of a southpaw who's big, with a good jab and

1263
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: a left cross, it can control a distance. Taylor can

1264
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 2: do that, but he's got way more pop and can

1265
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 2: sting him. So look, I mean, you know Tao can

1266
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: jump in and land shots. You don't see coming and

1267
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: drop you and change the tone of the fight. I

1268
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: just don't know if that Tao is in there anymore, dude,

1269
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 2: because look like all everything to be in synergy for

1270
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: the most part to win an elite fight against another

1271
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: all time create you know what I mean. Like Josh

1272
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: Taylor is putting together a great run and resume here,

1273
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: this is not going to be easy under any circumstances.

1274
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: If Tayo is able to take that chaos like he

1275
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: used to and funnel it for good, this would be

1276
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: a huge return for him. I mean, think about it.

1277
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: He was arguably the undisputed champion at lightweight and beat

1278
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: the number one guy in the sport to do it

1279
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 2: when he beat Loma. If he now moves up in

1280
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: this weight class, which he did, and on Saturday beats

1281
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 2: the guy who's still number one even though he doesn't

1282
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: have all four belts, that would be another major feather

1283
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: in the cap of Taoe Fema, who by the way,

1284
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: is still only twenty five. I hope for him, Luke,

1285
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 2: he's got another gear and another great chapter in his career.

1286
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm cheering for him personally in that regard. But the

1287
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 2: Oddsmaker's got this right, there's a lot of reasons style wise,

1288
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 2: style for style that this could be a bad night

1289
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: for tayl can't wait to find out, Luke. Also this weekend,

1290
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: briefly here there's a very sad pay per view tonight.

1291
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,959
Speaker 2: It's in Miami, Florida at the Casino Miami High Lie.

1292
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 2: You can go to Fight TV or don.

1293
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: Is that the official branding tonight tonight in Miami is.

1294
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: High I think it's Hialiah, right, No, Hyaliah is a

1295
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: is a is a suburb of It's at the Miami

1296
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: High Lie like it's at the fronton. I wonder if

1297
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 2: the ring is going to be like on the highlight surface.

1298
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, Luke, We're gonna find out.

1299
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Speaker 4: I mean the sport with like the big hooks.

1300
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 2: Then they oh yeah, yeah, the look I've got a

1301
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: huge payloa. You know, I just you know, it just

1302
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 2: it's wow, surely wow. Okay.

1303
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: I used to do I used to do the Paylota's joke.

1304
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: But what they don't tell you is pylotas is more

1305
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: like that's what the slang for balls is more juevos

1306
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: than it is which is eggs than it is balls.

1307
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: What's the name of that basket in highlight, Luke, what's

1308
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: it's not a payload? What is it called? I should know,

1309
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 2: because I.

1310
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 4: Just means ball.

1311
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: Uh. You know, I'm not sure about high I have

1312
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: actually seen live.

1313
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 2: It's a sesta. It's so real quick. Growing up in Connecticut,

1314
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: the only fronton's left, Luke in this world, I think

1315
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: is there's one in South Florida, and there's like a

1316
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: couple in Europe. The last state before Florida that had

1317
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: them still was Connecticut. So growing up in the nineties

1318
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 2: we had three. By the time I became old enough

1319
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 2: to go, which is eighteen, we only had one Milford Highlight, Luke.

1320
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 2: That was the place to go when you weren't twenty one,

1321
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: but you wanted to sneak in beer and you wanted

1322
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: to gamble and smoke cigarettes. I had a great time.

1323
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 2: They'd have dollar hot dog night, Luke. I mean, I've

1324
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: done very disrutable, disreputable things at a highlight fronton, and

1325
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: so will Adrian Boner night. Look, it's called a sesta.

1326
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: The basket that they throw. By the way, anyone who

1327
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 2: has ever tried to tell me that highlight isn't rigged, Like,

1328
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: come on, bro all.

1329
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: Right, it's like it's like a pro wrestling kind of spore. Right,

1330
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: it's pro wrestling.

1331
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the most part, Like it's great competition back

1332
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 2: and forth. But somebody who was climbing up the walls

1333
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 2: two seconds ago inevitably drops an easy one at the

1334
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: end of the point, and then all the serious betters

1335
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: by the cage go nuts because they just lost their

1336
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 2: all right.

1337
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: You see, I don't know what a fronton is, but

1338
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: Connecticut's own Apathy once said, my flows cold make you

1339
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: sleep inside of a ton ton. You know what I'm saying.

1340
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 2: Fronton is a highlighte place. Luke Adrian Broner's back. We

1341
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 2: have not seen him since twenty twenty one when he

1342
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 2: had a very disputed decision went over Giovanni Santiago. He

1343
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: was supposed to come back last summer against Omar Figaro

1344
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 2: on Showtime, pulled out at the eleventh hour with mental

1345
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: health issues. He's thirty three years old. Does he have

1346
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 2: nine lives? He'll be taking on Bill Hutchinson, a full

1347
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 2: time lawyer who is twenty two losses and four draws

1348
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: as a pro with nine KOs and this is a

1349
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars pay per view Don King at ninety one.

1350
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: Luke has been doing media this week and he said

1351
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: Broner facing a full time lawyer is great because dealing

1352
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 2: with lawyers is Bronner's forte Bob about Bob. Let's go

1353
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: to the videotape of Berner at the press conference.

1354
01:04:55,520 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 6: Billy Hudgson, you know and everybody out there, no, you know,

1355
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 6: it's it's public record. You know, after I sucked you up,

1356
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 6: I need you. I'm gonna hire you because I need

1357
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 6: attorney anyway, because I'm about to fire my old attorney.

1358
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 6: And you know now that I know that you're a fighter.

1359
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 6: You know, I know that you will fight fummying in

1360
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 6: a courtroom, so you know, and then after you beat

1361
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 6: that case, I got a couple of minutes. You know,

1362
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 6: they got murders and shit, So we need you.

1363
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: Awesome.

1364
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: Oh wow. Yeah, So that's going on tonight in Miami.

1365
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 2: Hopefully Mikey goes.

1366
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: I hope right, Mikey, are you gonna go to this?

1367
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: Mikey, you should buy all the Delta aids in South

1368
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: Florida and go there.

1369
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: Mikey, if you don't go to this browner fight, I

1370
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: want you to know it's only because you're racist against

1371
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: black people.

1372
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 2: Finally, there it is look Saturday night on his own Ontario, California. Finally,

1373
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 2: I mean monkey is gonna face somebody with a pulse

1374
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 2: at middleweight. That person is thirty seven year old Sergei

1375
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 2: dary Vinceenko fourteen and four record, But Luke, we remember

1376
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: him as a three time middleweight title challenger, and those

1377
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 2: four defeats have all all come against the elite, and

1378
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 2: to be fair, they've all come in either very close

1379
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 2: fights or disputed decisions against Daniel Jacob's, Gonadi Glovkin, Jamal

1380
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 2: Charlow on pay per view, and Carlos Adamis. Luke Monkeia

1381
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: is somehow still just twenty six, but he's forty one

1382
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: in oh and he has had seven straight fights against

1383
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 2: second and third rate competition. What are your thoughts on

1384
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 2: this one? Because you've always been a Moongia guy, Like,

1385
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 2: is it yay about time or is it like.

1386
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: Well, okay, So I'll say this, it's a it's like

1387
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: way way way pastime in terms of like the number

1388
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: of fights he has. Munkia has what forty one professional

1389
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: contest this will be forty two.

1390
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 4: He should have been.

1391
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: Fighting dudes, like derrivian Chenko twenty fights ago, you know

1392
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's way overdue. On the other hand,

1393
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: Mugia is only twenty six. He's only twenty six years old,

1394
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: and like, it's not like he's getting ruffed up in there.

1395
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean, listen to how long these fights are going

1396
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: with his opponents. In the last fight, three rounds, the

1397
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: one before that, five before that three. Now, he did

1398
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: have a twelve round fight against Gabrizzotto which he won

1399
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward Lee, but then six rounds six rounds one

1400
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: and eleven, but then four rounds before that, and there's

1401
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: a couple of twelves mixed in there against Dennis Hogan,

1402
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: but he was overmatched in that one and Liam Smith,

1403
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, a similar.

1404
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 2: Hogan arguably beat him. Luke Hogan arguably beat him in

1405
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: that one.

1406
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because okay, but he got ruffed up a little bit,

1407
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: Hogan did. He just outworked Mungia for long stretches of it.

1408
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: But Mumgia was blaming the.

1409
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 4: Heavier shots for sure, right, you would agree with that, sure.

1410
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: But you know, even as early as twenty eighteen, he's

1411
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: fighting Saddam Ali like like Jesus Christ Man like that

1412
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: wasn't that long ago. He's twenty one years old. He's

1413
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: fighting Saddam Ali. So like, the what I'm trying to

1414
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: make is it's not like he's been getting like super

1415
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: Oh you know who I'm thinking of, Gary O'sulla, gary

1416
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: O Sullivan that went to the that went to the

1417
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: eleventh round, but he fucked up gary O Sullivan, right,

1418
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: the Hogan fight a little bit different. Still, my point

1419
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: being is he's not getting ruffed up in there. It's

1420
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: like he's had fights where he's underperformed or kind of like,

1421
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: wasn't that great. But here's the thing about Mungia. He

1422
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: is young.

1423
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 4: He's a big puncher, right, he's got it.

1424
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: He's got a solid ability to thump, and daryvian Chenko

1425
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: is spirited in ways that previous Mungia opponents have not been.

1426
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: But is definitely old and has definitely been fucked up

1427
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: against big punchers already. Even though he was, you know,

1428
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: obviously over overperformed against Triple G or something like that.

1429
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 2: He so bombs from Triple G and kept coming and.

1430
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: He just trucked through. But but he has faced so

1431
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: many at this point that there's no way they didn't

1432
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: have an effect Mungia is younger, he's a bigger puncher.

1433
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad to see it's finally happening. It's way overdue.

1434
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: It's just you know, you gotta be you gotta be like, yay, okay,

1435
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: this is better. It's just a I can't even trust

1436
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: where Mungia is at anymore, and be he should win,

1437
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: but like, would you be all that shocked if he didn't,

1438
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1439
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 2: Well, he's co promoted by Golden Boy and Zanfer And

1440
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,759
Speaker 2: here's Oscar's quote. We want all the big names for Hymie,

1441
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 2: but we want that fight against Jamal's Charlow first. After

1442
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 2: our commercial success of making Ryan versus Tank, we have

1443
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 2: the framework to work with PBC in Showtime, but if

1444
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 2: that can't happen, Mongia will fight anyone. Ganati or even

1445
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 2: David Benavitez are great options. Hey, Oscar, chances are you're

1446
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: not gonna do a Dezone in showtime co pay per

1447
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 2: view involving Jimi Mangia. Just heads up. And the other

1448
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 2: thing is, I don't think the Zone's gonna keep letting

1449
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 2: you take your best fighters to Showtime either, Just so

1450
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 2: you know, there you go worth watching.

1451
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, still possible the way you see you see Oscar

1452
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: threatening Eddie Hearn on Twitter.

1453
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was like stand down byether e f

1454
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 2: or something like for that level, right. I mean, it's

1455
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 2: just like watch yourself, you know, watch your back, all right, Luke.

1456
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 2: Also Sunday is this sad too, Sunrise, Florida, there's going

1457
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 2: to be an exhibition pay per view in forty six

1458
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 2: year old Floyd Mayweather, in the second of a hopeful

1459
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 2: five exhibitions he wants to pull off in nine months.

1460
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: This year, we'll take on twenty nine year old John

1461
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 2: Gotti the Third, the grandson of the gangsta and Luke.

1462
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 2: Gotti is five and one in MMA, but he hasn't

1463
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 2: fought since twenty twenty when he lost to seven and

1464
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 2: six Nick Alley under the CES banner. I know you

1465
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 2: don't care, but here is Gotti's quote. I'm bringing bad

1466
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 2: intentions to that man. I don't care if it's an

1467
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 2: exhibition or not. You signed up to fight me. There's

1468
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: no quarter is kill or be killed. Yeah, all right,

1469
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 2: you have plans on Sunday, Luke, hopefully you and the

1470
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 2: Dukes we'll be checking that one out. Also, I hope

1471
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 2: tonight you'll be checking out the Turning Stone Casino. Once again,

1472
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: it is Showbox the new generation. So look it's me

1473
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: Raoul Marcus, Barry Tompkins, Steve Farhood and Al Bernstein is

1474
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 2: joining our broadcast tonight. Why because it's Hall of Fame weekend.

1475
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 2: This class of two twenty three is Carl Frotch, Tim Bradley,

1476
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 2: Rafael Marquez, Joe Goosen among many others. But look, I

1477
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,480
Speaker 2: do want to tell you tripleheader tonight, all light heavyweights,

1478
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: all unbeaten. Watch out for this name, Ali Ismiloff. He

1479
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 2: is a thirty year old Russian who didn't get into

1480
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 2: boxing seriously until seven, age seventeen, but he had two

1481
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 2: hundred amateur fights. He's ten to zero as a pro

1482
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 2: with seven knockouts. His trainer, John David Jackson said his

1483
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 2: power is on the level of better beav. I've had

1484
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 2: heavyweights that won't spar him. He needs to make his

1485
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 2: opponents engage because once he hits them, it will change

1486
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 2: the tone of the fight. Look, I'm being told that

1487
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: this guy, he's number ranked number five in the IBF,

1488
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: that'll win here. If he can get it against unbeaten

1489
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 2: Charles Foster could lift him right into that title picture

1490
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 2: where he's not mincing words. He wants bev all. He

1491
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 2: wants better beav hell, he'd take Canelo two. Watch out

1492
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 2: for this guy. Luke grew up right near the Georgia

1493
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 2: and Dagistan borders in Russia. And Uh I asked him

1494
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 2: in the fighter meetings about that upbringing because they mentioned

1495
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 2: he grew up in a place just like Kevibe. So

1496
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 2: I was like, what is it about that place? He said,

1497
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: Our people are born to fight. There's no after school

1498
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 2: activity that isn't boxing, wrestling or fighting. It's always one

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01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 2: on one combat after school. I've been doing this as

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01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 2: a kid. It's the only thing I want to do. Luke.

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01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 2: He had a hams upbeard, dark sunglasses, and spoke in

1502
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 2: a barely audible monotone robot voice. Get ready for fireworks tonight.

1503
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 2: If you happen to tune in, Okay, how's that happening?

1504
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: I will be watching. Have you asked al Bernstein about

1505
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: any bathrooms he's destroyed? Any commodes?

1506
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 2: You think Ala is a target for commode destroyation?

1507
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: And on a b I think you are a target

1508
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: for you are the guy who finds targets to ask

1509
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: that question.

1510
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to ask Al Bernstein on the

1511
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 2: showbox lovel if he's throwing up with kommode. I don't

1512
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 2: understand this direction that you're going.

1513
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: Oh, you really don't understand how I would be wondering

1514
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: if you had ask them questions like that.

1515
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 4: You only did that on camera to several people.

1516
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, Luke, it's there's a time and place.

1517
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,919
Speaker 1: For that, right Yes, is the time and place showbox

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01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: tonight on a.

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01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 2: Mording combat is the time and place for debauchery Showbox

1520
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 2: we get down real style, Okay, so get ready for that,

1521
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 2: all right, Luke? Do you want to continue time wise

1522
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 2: here on the flow we were expecting? Can we have

1523
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 2: a mid show meeting right now about this?

1524
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: Hey, your show, you're hosting it, you call the shots.

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01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 2: All right? Then let's bang Michael. Here we go Topic

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01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 2: number three, Dana White against the MMA media again. Here's

1527
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: the setting for this, Luke. Robbie Fox of Barstool, we

1528
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 2: know him. He got flown in to cover Power Slap

1529
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 2: pay per view number two. There was a lot of

1530
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 2: kickback on the media about that. So Robbie caught up

1531
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 2: with Dana again and they talked about it. Let's listen in.

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01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 13: When I came out in Vegas. I don't know if

1533
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 13: you saw this, but they were a number of MMA

1534
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 13: media sites that wrote articles about how unprofessional it was

1535
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 13: for me to come out to the event, being that

1536
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 13: you flew me out, and I just want to clear

1537
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 13: the air here that and you can confirm this hopefully

1538
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 13: that you didn't fly me out because of a media member,

1539
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 13: but because of my status as a world famous celebrity,

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01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 13: as an influencer.

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01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know what did to tell the rest of

1542
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 14: the media who think they're professional the kiss your fucking asked.

1543
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 14: Every one of those fucking scumbags are a bunch of unprofessional,

1544
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 14: fucking douchebags.

1545
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 11: Fuck every one of them.

1546
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: They're all out.

1547
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 11: I would love to see which professionals were calling you unprofessional.

1548
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,480
Speaker 11: There are a bunch of fucking bloggers.

1549
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:38,839
Speaker 2: They're all fully wh WHOA, I'm a blogger?

1550
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 9: WHOA?

1551
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: Watch your mouth? Why watch your mouth? On the bloggers,

1552
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:43,560
Speaker 1: There are a bunch of bloggers.

1553
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 2: I'm a blogger, media, they're bloggers.

1554
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: Well that's my point. I'm like, I'm a blogger.

1555
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 2: I ain't. I'm a journalist.

1556
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 1: And I never claimed them one.

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01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 11: Hundred fucking percent exactly listen, let me let me tell

1558
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 11: you how fucking powerful and influential. If it was up

1559
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,879
Speaker 11: to the media, the UFC would have never fucking made it. Okay,

1560
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 11: if it was up to the media, we would have

1561
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 11: never gone through COVID. If it was up to the media,

1562
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 11: that any type of influence or power, if they mattered whatsoever,

1563
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 11: power slap would not be doing what it's doing right now.

1564
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 11: So let them fucking talk.

1565
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 1: I honestly love these outbursts.

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01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 2: Look, that guy's triggered, right, I mean, what the hell

1567
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 2: is going on here?

1568
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean people, I've said it before. People push back,

1569
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: but it's like, dude, I mean, what what are you

1570
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: supposed to read from that other than just straight up

1571
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: MMA media antipathy? Right?

1572
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 4: Like, what else is there?

1573
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 2: The modern day role of a combat sports media member,

1574
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 2: according to Dana, appears to be that if you criticize

1575
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 2: any thing, you are trying to tear it down, you

1576
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 2: hate it, and you are a scumbag piece of shit.

1577
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we are scumback pieces of shit, just

1578
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: not for the reasons he thinks we are.

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01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 3: No.

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01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 2: No, probably for the amount of only fan subscriptions that

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01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 2: most m made. Media journalist stab Luca, we got a

1582
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: larger discussion about the role of the media. But to

1583
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 2: get there, let's go to the MMA R with Ariejuan.

1584
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: He remember when we played that Aaron bronstarter clip with

1585
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,440
Speaker 2: Mike Mizzouli, the head of the Mohogan Sun Commission, regarding

1586
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 2: the the role a commission should have in being transparent

1587
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 2: about the fallout of issues with judging, refereeing and all that,

1588
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 2: and the whole idea of should they speak at press conferences? Well,

1589
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 2: Wazouli texted Ariel, let's let's listen to this.

1590
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 15: By the way, just got a text message from Mike

1591
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 15: Mizzouli of the ABC and so I might as well

1592
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 15: read it because I think he wants me to read it.

1593
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 15: I heard some of your podcasts. I know you want

1594
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 15: to understand the scoring criteria and what the judges are

1595
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 15: looking at. Come to Vegas and attend the class. It

1596
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 15: is free to all fighters and pressed. Please state that

1597
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 15: on your next podcast.

1598
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:04,839
Speaker 1: Thanks.

1599
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 15: I feel like please state that on your next podcast is.

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01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: A very interesting way.

1601
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 15: I am stating it right now and again I will

1602
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 15: reiterate what I think both he and other people in

1603
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 15: these commission circles are missing. Is the fact that I

1604
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 15: know what it is. I've read, I've talked, I've done

1605
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 15: what it is. What I want to know is what

1606
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 15: this guy is thinking on Saturday night when the rest

1607
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 15: of the world sees one thing and there's like five

1608
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 15: people on the planet that see another thing. That's what

1609
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 15: I want. I want, That's what I want. I want

1610
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 15: to talk to the people again. What they're trying to

1611
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 15: spin here is I don't want to be a judge.

1612
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 15: I don't want to be a Twitter judge. I don't

1613
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 15: want to be I want to talk to the judges.

1614
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 15: I want to talk to the commission. MISSOULI likes to

1615
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 15: say I need to protect the judges. Why that's their job,

1616
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 15: Luke Thomas.

1617
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 2: What, let's be straight up and honest here in twenty

1618
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 2: twenty three, what the hell is the role of the

1619
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 2: MMA media? What should it be? What is it? What

1620
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 2: do promoters and officials expect it to be? Because shit

1621
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: has gotten very murky from the idea of these like

1622
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 2: character journalists who are playing roles in parts and are

1623
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 2: you know, doing lip service. We've got a lot of that, right.

1624
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 2: You could become famous from being I mean, hell, Luke,

1625
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,520
Speaker 2: we're pretty damn famous in this circle from being public assholes.

1626
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 2: But you get my point. What is the state of

1627
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 2: MMA media right now?

1628
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 4: Uh, It's terrible, It's really terrible.

1629
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean I always say this was really funny about

1630
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: Danna whites outbursts about the MMA media, is that like

1631
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: you've got a relative to NBA media or NFL media,

1632
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:46,480
Speaker 1: you've got one of the most obsequious, you know, stenographer

1633
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: type media groups of any sport that exists. That's just

1634
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: the reality. And like the response, I mean, it has

1635
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: changed like when you first got into it, Like if

1636
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: you were the guy on the road who was the

1637
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: road person for whatever major site, that's a really prestigious gig.

1638
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: And again there is still some value to it, but

1639
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: it has become much more diminished, partly due to the

1640
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: nature of the pandemic in the way which there's interaction

1641
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,799
Speaker 1: between athlete and a fighter, actually the athlete and media.

1642
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: But you know, the reality is MMA media jobs have

1643
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 1: been honestly, like what we do has been really usurped

1644
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: in many ways by fighters doing it, fighters doing podcast,

1645
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: fighters interviewing each other, like all the same stuff that

1646
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: we do, building on the previous celebrity that they had

1647
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: amassed from their careers fighting, but then also just not

1648
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: really doing a very rigorous job questioning other fighters because

1649
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 1: they're all either still in a UFC pay roll or

1650
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's just they don't have that same sort

1651
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 1: of sensibility, and so the job has been utterly decimated.

1652
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: The role has been completely damaged and changed in many ways,

1653
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: not for the better. So like when White lashes out,

1654
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: it's like, my god, dude, if you can't even take

1655
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: what they we say on this level, I mean, you

1656
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 1: just utterly unfit for major sports. You know, you just couldn't.

1657
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being like like what the Mets have

1658
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: to deal with in the new media market.

1659
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like you can't. It's like you can't,

1660
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 4: you couldn't.

1661
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: It's just he'd be unable on physically unable to process.

1662
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: I think some of that, But you're asking what the

1663
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: role is, and this is what they always seem to

1664
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: not understand. I actually have no problem with what Robbie

1665
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: Fox did. It's not that I agree with that kind

1666
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 1: of coverage or that I want to do that. He

1667
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: told the audience everything they needed to know to make

1668
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: a decision about his coverage. Guys, I am literally here

1669
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 1: because the promoter of this paid me to be here. Dude,

1670
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: He's telling you what the game is about. Like, that's

1671
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: all you can really do. That is what you actually

1672
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 1: want from either influencer types or journalist types. You actually

1673
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: want them to disclose these ties. You want them to

1674
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: disclose these relationships and then let the audience make a

1675
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 1: determination about what they want. But I think, you know,

1676
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: what is the role of anyone who takes this kind

1677
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: of thing seriously? In Anny halfway and again, you know,

1678
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: half of what we do is hey, what kind of

1679
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 1: pornography are you watching this week? I get that we aren't.

1680
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: We aren't Seymour Hirsch coming to the rescue. But the

1681
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: job of what I think what Brian and I try

1682
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 1: to do is beyond the levity of what you see

1683
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 1: sometimes in the show. Is it's like, guys, this industry

1684
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: cannot be trusted to run by the people who run

1685
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: it without someone looking around the corner and making sure

1686
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: what they say is true is actually true and.

1687
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 2: Just cannot question allowed to as follow ups.

1688
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: So it's just stated out right, like promoters are not

1689
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,560
Speaker 1: to be trusted on their own let me finish, Regulators

1690
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: are not to be trusted on their own fighters making

1691
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,799
Speaker 1: statements to the media without double checking it, anyone powerful

1692
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: without double checking it, are not to be trusted on

1693
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,480
Speaker 1: their own because everyone is trying to manipulate the information

1694
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: space for their own ends or otherwise are just bad

1695
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: fucking actors. There are people who you cannot trust, who

1696
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: have ties to awful people from every milk and cranny

1697
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: from across the earth. So what is our role. Yeah,

1698
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 1: to have a little fun, to get you ready for

1699
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: the fights, but to be in a position to be like, guys,

1700
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 1: this is obviously not fucking true, that what they're saying

1701
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: is not true and it has consequences for people beyond themselves.

1702
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: How effective we been in that by all means people

1703
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: can grade us. But that's the job.

1704
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're the ombudsmen of the of the scenario right now.

1705
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 2: We are. Our job is to be a critic, to

1706
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 2: be critical, to ask critical questions. And so it's like, look,

1707
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 2: Dana is increasingly spoiled right now, not just through the

1708
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 2: success of the UFC, but through the way the deal

1709
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 2: with ESPN to structured. They have editorial control over their

1710
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,560
Speaker 2: own broadcast. Right They're not coming on there and debating

1711
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 2: fighter pay or debating you know, matchmaking or whatever. It's

1712
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 2: a comer. The broadcast is an infomercial. It's a really

1713
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 2: good one, by the way, But I think by association

1714
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 2: Luke in the size of that deal and how important

1715
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 2: UFC is t ESPN. Plus they've also been able to skirt,

1716
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 2: you know, any kind of outside the lines investigations that

1717
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 2: used to be part of that once UFC in the

1718
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 2: end of the two thousands became so prominent that they

1719
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 2: would appear on Sports Center, right. I mean, do you

1720
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: remember Luke the sit down interview with brock Lesner where

1721
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 2: they straight up I've asked him many times about steroids

1722
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 2: and he stormed off, like you're not seeing that anymore

1723
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 2: because UFC isn't desperate for that coverage. But I do

1724
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 2: you know, it is interesting when Dana is going to

1725
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 2: these extremes. It's like, how much do you want to

1726
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 2: shit on the media because they do play a role

1727
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: of promotion for you at the end of the day

1728
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 2: in trying to cover you, so a constant framing of

1729
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 2: everyone being a fucking idiot, and just like that, it's like,

1730
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 2: don't forget that when you needed coverage twenty years ago,

1731
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 2: you were calling and knocking on the doors of the

1732
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 2: major newspapers and in almost you know, begging these people

1733
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 2: to come check it out. I mean, that's how the

1734
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 2: relationship between like Dana and the Kevin Ioli begins back

1735
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 2: in the day. It's like, don't forget that we have

1736
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 2: to be extra critical and snarky because they are as

1737
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 2: they are lacking the transparency on a level that I've

1738
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 2: never seen before. They don't have to tell the truth anymore.

1739
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 2: They're not pressured into it. And if you push back

1740
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 2: at all, you have a fear of losing your credential

1741
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 2: or Danna just rips you and goes on to the

1742
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 2: next question. There isn't an adequate way to get your

1743
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 2: questions answered on that regard, and you are constantly labeled

1744
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 2: as just that, a scumbag piece of shit who's only

1745
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 2: here because we allow you to and only here to

1746
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 2: tear us down and show the you know, behind the

1747
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 2: curtain and the man who's actually running this how the

1748
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 2: sausage is made all that bullshit? What does he think

1749
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 2: it is? Luke nineteen fifties Major League Baseball Where because

1750
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 2: Mickey manno, let's you sit at this table at the

1751
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 2: Copa Cabana Club that you're not going to print all

1752
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 2: the chicks he banged, you know, outside of marriage. I mean,

1753
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 2: it's we're not there. It's not that's not happening anymore,

1754
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 2: you know. Like you say, try being in these other sports.

1755
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,919
Speaker 2: Try being in New York media. They are so spoiled

1756
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 2: right now at because of the way they structure it,

1757
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: at the amount of media that are only there to

1758
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 2: promote and benefit from it. And it's not that we

1759
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 2: don't benefit from it, Luke. If the UFC shut down tomorrow,

1760
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 2: that's a big hit to what we do professionally and

1761
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 2: how we pay our mortgages and feed our children. I'm

1762
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 2: never trying to, you know, look past that, or abuse that,

1763
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 2: or think that we're better than this. Let us do

1764
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 2: our fucking job though, just the same, Okay, give us

1765
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 2: legitimate lip service to questions that matter. Anytime you hit

1766
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 2: Dana with a hard question, what do you get back

1767
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 2: an insult? Or ask Jeff Novitzky, I'm happy I don't

1768
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 2: deal with that shit. It should also deal with that shit,

1769
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 2: bro Okay.

1770
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: What everyone wants to lash out at Dana for the

1771
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 1: way MMA media is treated, but like the MMA media

1772
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: has to have a bit of a look in the

1773
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 1: mirror on this one. Like the one thing that I

1774
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 1: think that they are right about that just the public

1775
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: really cannot appreciate it is I've seen people be like, oh,

1776
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, don't cover him. But like if you're the

1777
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 1: individual journalist you know, or or whatever your title is

1778
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 1: in media, you know what what you just don't have

1779
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 1: a lot of say over that. Like if you go

1780
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: up there and start to have a Seymour Hirsch moment

1781
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 1: and then they tell you can't come back, like you're

1782
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 1: out of a job. So like, really, I want folks

1783
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: to know that, like the MMA, media deserves blame, but

1784
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: not on like the individual journalist level, on the way

1785
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: that folks understand. It's the corporations who own these companies

1786
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: not empowering people to do this. Like now, I want

1787
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 1: to be clear one more time. BC and I I

1788
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 1: think are in a bit of a different position. We

1789
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 1: are well taken care of at CBS, We are well

1790
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: taken care of at showtime, and we have a lot

1791
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 1: of options. But it took us a long time to

1792
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: get to this level. And you know, BC obviously is

1793
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: still heavily involved in boxing. He's not as reliant upon

1794
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: you know, UFC favoritism in any kind of way in

1795
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: which you know, other folks might not be so, not

1796
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: as leveraged. But like, I just want to be clear here,

1797
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: Like as long as the corporations in place don't back

1798
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: their media to cover the UFC in the most or

1799
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: any promoter, in any promoter in an accurate way. Because

1800
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not really not exclusive to the

1801
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: UFC like you see it more because that's just a

1802
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: dominant brand, But it's really true of any promoter where

1803
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: they don't double check what promoters say, where they don't

1804
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 1: double check things, where where John Nash, excuse me, is

1805
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: the only one really looking into fight or pay Paul

1806
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 1: Gift as well. But like you know, just basically two

1807
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 1: three guys in the whole industry looking into it. As

1808
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 1: long as really that's the way they go about their business,

1809
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: where they accept being bully without any other consideration for

1810
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 1: their coverage, they're just gonna get more of this. They're

1811
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: just gonna get Dana does what he does in this

1812
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: particular circumstance because he has been empowered to do that.

1813
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,640
Speaker 1: He has been empowered to do that at times in

1814
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,759
Speaker 1: which he has pushed back on media entities for coverage

1815
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: he didn't like. Guess who folded. It was the media

1816
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,759
Speaker 1: entities behind the scenes, the corporate media entities.

1817
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 4: They just folded. They just folded.

1818
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: And so when you're operating in that environment, it's very

1819
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 1: easy to look at Dan and be like, oh, well,

1820
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 1: he is saying all these negative things. You all have

1821
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 1: a choice. And when I say you, I mean the

1822
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: corporate overlords here. You have a choice about how you

1823
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: want to cover these entities. As long as you keep

1824
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 1: putting your guys in a position to just accept it,

1825
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: that's all they're going to keep doing. So well we did.

1826
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 2: The job, by the way, is to provide good and

1827
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 2: bad coverage. The job is to provide critical and honest coverage.

1828
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 2: Dana unfortunately no longer tells the truth enough on a

1829
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 2: consistent basis that he ends up creating more issues for

1830
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 2: himself and then leans on that defensive Oh, you're just

1831
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 2: trying to come after us and take us down. And

1832
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 2: the same thing happened on COVID, even though it didn't

1833
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 2: really happen that way. Data And now to see a

1834
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 2: guy like Maszouli again with you know power, what was

1835
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 2: he a former head of the association of boxing commissions

1836
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 2: a current ones still very high influence in both combat sports.

1837
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 2: To see him give again a very data response that

1838
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 2: we talked about the other day, it's a troubling direction. Uh.

1839
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 2: You know, i'd have to say on the on the

1840
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 2: idea of journal not that we always, like you said,

1841
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 2: paying ourselves as complete and normal. No, our show is

1842
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 2: a super fan show. That's that's part of the hook.

1843
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 2: It's entertainment. If you love the show, you want people

1844
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 2: you identify with or or are entertained by talking about

1845
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 2: the fights that you also are going to watch. But

1846
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 2: let's not shut it down completely on the idea of

1847
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: being like, just tell the truth and we would, we

1848
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 2: would analyze it and move on. But it's the constant

1849
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 2: BS that creates this.

1850
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 1: To be very fair with you, look it really again,

1851
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 1: all promoters have a job which is to promote their

1852
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: product and that sometimes it means telling the truth and

1853
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: sometimes it means not. And that's it's it's not exclusive

1854
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: to UFC in any capacity. Every promoter is basically like that.

1855
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 1: But like, if you guys want you know, you just

1856
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 1: have to have some self respect. I mean, if he's

1857
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 1: going to rate you, if you can't get honest answers

1858
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: from him, if you can't really, like, can I rely

1859
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: upon what he is telling me at this press conference

1860
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: to be true without double checking? No, you cannot, No,

1861
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 1: you cannot. You have to double check it. It's just

1862
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 1: where we are. And I think unless people make that

1863
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 1: mental shift to that space, you're just gonna get what

1864
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:28,759
Speaker 1: you want to get. But I like Robbie Fox personally.

1865
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 1: I know him on a personal level. He's a wonderful kid.

1866
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: And again, I don't want to do coverage like he

1867
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: does coverage that to me seems like something I'm not

1868
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 1: interested in doing, and I think you know I would.

1869
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to consume power slap coverage. But like, dude,

1870
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:44,640
Speaker 1: he fucking tells you the score up front. That is

1871
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: different than people who are like I'm a Capital Jay

1872
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: journalist and then Dana's like, hey, fuck all your moms

1873
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 1: and all of you are lying and then not pushing

1874
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 1: back on that or just repeating statements without double checking it.

1875
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you know Robbie's doing this the right way.

1876
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the rest you are not.

1877
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:04,719
Speaker 2: Also, if you want your sport to be at this level,

1878
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,759
Speaker 2: this level comes with a higher scrutiny. That's what it does.

1879
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: You're on espnro it's a twenty one billion dollar corporation

1880
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: combined with WW like that backup that that's twenty one billions,

1881
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 1: and we don't have questions about that, Like it's twenty

1882
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 1: one billion dollars, bro, Like this is this demand scrutiny?

1883
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: You know? All right?

1884
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 2: Topic number four Lightning Round of fight announcements, Luke, I'm

1885
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 2: gonna tell them to you, and I want your honest reaction.

1886
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 2: August nineteenth, as UFC two ninety two. The return of

1887
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 2: Chris Weidman is very real. Brad Tavaris across from him,

1888
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 2: Do you like that for the former middleweight king?

1889
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: I know we are short on time, so I'll say this.

1890
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: I am kind of glad to see him back. I think,

1891
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: like everybody else, I'm happy that he has been able

1892
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: to find what appears to be some real physical recovery.

1893
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: If I'm a devastating injury, He's had a lot of

1894
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: devastating injuries of light, and he wasn't like exactly in

1895
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: peak form before all of that. But I think a

1896
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 1: lot of us feel like there is something still a

1897
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: little unresolved to the Chris Widman story about where it

1898
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: could go. Brad Tavares is a good opponent also, you know,

1899
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 1: not a guy necessarily in his prime either, but still

1900
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 1: very dangerous. I actually like this fight.

1901
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 4: I like this matchup.

1902
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:13,640
Speaker 1: I think either guy could conceivably win it, and may

1903
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 1: the best man win.

1904
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 2: I got fears for Widman man, like I don't want

1905
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 2: to get in the way of him doing something that

1906
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 2: means so much to him, making the full comeback and

1907
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 2: proving to himself that he can do that. And I

1908
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 2: don't think he necessarily has like illusions of being number

1909
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 2: one pound for ponder a champion. This might be more

1910
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 2: about climbing that hill, which is very difficult, and many

1911
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 2: guys have just left the sport after that devastating injury.

1912
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:34,759
Speaker 2: But I do have a little bit of fear. Lukey,

1913
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 2: it's hard to see our hero's age and being and

1914
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 2: be getting old.

1915
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: If there's a lesson you know you got reminded of

1916
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: yesterday with my dog Dude getting old sucks, It sucks.

1917
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 4: It's awful, Luke.

1918
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:50,759
Speaker 2: Yana santos Ney Kunitskaya is back July first, Macy Chazon

1919
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 2: for the UFC Fight Night card. You moved by that

1920
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 2: or just be I like that a lot.

1921
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean again, I wouldn't make it the Crown

1922
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 1: Jeweled the card, but it's a nice supplementary one. Yeah.

1923
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 2: Sure, Okay, let's go to that right, Rising Belatour super

1924
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 2: Rise in two joint card in Japan July twenty ninth.

1925
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 2: We already know about the headliners and that one, and

1926
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 2: they're very good. How about this Danny Stabatello versus Mago

1927
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,959
Speaker 2: Mago Medoff at pandam Wee sick fight and former welterweight

1928
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 2: champion Andre Khoroshkov against Lorentz Larkin. Yay, Belatur, That's what

1929
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, right, Yeah.

1930
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 1: Two great fights and by the way, a bit of

1931
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 1: a note on that. So this got I think a

1932
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: little bit lost somewhere in the sauce. Now, there are

1933
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 1: two parts to that overall event. There's like a Bellatur

1934
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: versus Rising part, and then there's just a rising part,

1935
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 1: just the rise in part showtime will not be airing,

1936
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: but the Bellatur versus Rise and part they will that

1937
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 1: will start at eleven pm in the East that particular

1938
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: day after. Get the timing on this one just right,

1939
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: because I think it differs from Japan on what they

1940
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 1: list on the poster. But in other words, I'm just

1941
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: trying to point out the Bellatur versus Rising component of

1942
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:55,719
Speaker 1: that card will air live on Showtime to the individual

1943
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: fights that you mentioned there, Sabatela versus Mega Madoff two

1944
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: thumbs up, part of that bellot Or division in Bansam

1945
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 1: Weight that they've really.

1946
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 4: Begin to cook things up on and uh and BC.

1947
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the second one you just mentioned here, by

1948
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 1: my brain's not working right talking about.

1949
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 4: And Larkin.

1950
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: Larkin having a bit of a quiet comeback, a quiet

1951
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: resurgence happening in Beltore Koreshkov breaking chance to brink Counter's

1952
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: fucking ribs out there.

1953
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 2: He looks scary on So dude, that fight is.

1954
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 1: That's a sick fight.

1955
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 4: Good good fights that Beltore is putting together.

1956
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 1: I like these.

1957
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:31,720
Speaker 2: By the way, that's the same day as Crawford Versuspense

1958
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 2: on Showtime pay per view, the BMF rematch of Posh

1959
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 2: versus Gai Chee on the UFC pay per view. So wow,

1960
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 2: what a day in Combat Sports. August fifth, UFC Nashville.

1961
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 2: We get Billy Q back against Damon Jackson, OSP against

1962
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 2: Kute Lava and Baha Mondays. Will let the Rhythm take

1963
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 2: him over against Ludvoight Klein as a mixed bag there,

1964
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 2: but you know Billy C's gonna bang.

1965
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: Look you know that by the way, Baha Monday's is

1966
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 1: not the same as well.

1967
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's closed. August twelfth, UFC giving us Khalil Rowntree

1968
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:10,719
Speaker 2: and Chris Daukas rescheduled, so we'll see if Chris Dacas's

1969
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 2: light heavyweight dreams can come true there in August. One

1970
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 2: week later, August nineteenth, UFC two ninety two getting RoboCop

1971
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 2: against Dennis ty Tululan and Gerald Meershart versus Andre Petrowski.

1972
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 2: Are you moved by any of those?

1973
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 4: I like RoboCop.

1974
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,719
Speaker 1: His return is interesting, the individual matchups don't. I don't

1975
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 1: love him so much, but I do like robo Cops.

1976
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 4: I'm happy to see him back.

1977
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 2: All right, it's time for that segment every week where

1978
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 2: we put our money where our mouths is. Luke, what

1979
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 2: has been in your mouth lately? Right? Wow? Okay, bet yeah, Luke,

1980
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 2: we go head to head with five picks in five categories.

1981
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 2: Last week you went three and two, not bad. I

1982
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 2: dipped to two and three as I continue.

1983
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, over here, you're you're going to the metal concert.

1984
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 2: You're going not yet, not yet overall your thirty nine

1985
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 2: and thirty four with one draw thirty and forty four

1986
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 2: for me. So I'm only nine games ish back, maybe

1987
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 2: nine and a half.

1988
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: By the way, I meant to tell you, I am

1989
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 1: going to see Uh, I'm gonna see Pantera in September.

1990
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 1: In September.

1991
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 2: Oh, that's so? Who is who is Pantera these days?

1992
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 1: Well? I mean half them fuckers.

1993
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 2: Are dead, you know, Phil still fronting it.

1994
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 4: Phil is the front man.

1995
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 1: And they've got Zach Wilde, Ozzy's old guitarist, and the

1996
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 1: guy from Black Label Society taking over for for Dimebag

1997
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 1: and then uh, I forget who's on drums, but then

1998
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 1: they still have Rex on bass.

1999
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 2: So I saw Ozzy and O two Luke at the

2000
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 2: Hartford Civic Center, and Zach Wilde solos were insane and

2001
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 2: he was, you know, teasing Jimmy Hendricks licks in the

2002
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 2: middle of them and just doing amazing shit right there. Okay,

2003
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:00,799
Speaker 2: bet Luke. Main event, the biggest one you can certainly

2004
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,559
Speaker 2: argue here is UFC two eighty nine in Vancouver this weekend.

2005
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 2: A Man of nunas bantamweight title and the Red Haw

2006
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 2: in terms of the country of Mexico, but also in

2007
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 2: terms of two straight wins A rene al Donna. This

2008
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 2: fight rules, Luke, are you going first or second?

2009
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 1: I'll go first if that's okay, okay, all right. So

2010
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: for our main event pick I'm not even sure if

2011
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 1: I fully believe it BC, But for fun, I think

2012
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 1: for fun, I think there is a real case to

2013
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:35,800
Speaker 1: build for her. I'm not fully convinced by it, but

2014
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go al Donna for this one. I'm gonna

2015
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: take a take a risk. Again, I'm not sure I'm

2016
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: picking al Donna, and if she wins, I'll claim all

2017
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: the credit. And she loses, I'll be like, oh, I

2018
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: didn't you know. Hey, guys, I said, I said.

2019
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 2: Stop straddling the fence.

2020
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 4: Here's what I'll say.

2021
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 1: Here's what i'll say. Here's here's what i'll say. Here's

2022
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 1: what i'll say. I saw that you had picked Nunas

2023
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 1: before I put my picks in, and I was like,

2024
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 1: you know what, I've been toying with the idea that

2025
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 1: al Donna can get it done. So I will put

2026
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 1: my cards on the table and say I don't think

2027
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: it's a super overwhelming case, but I like it.

2028
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:06,759
Speaker 4: Enough to pick it, and it.

2029
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 1: Relies on Nuna's having declined a little bit, which I

2030
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: just can't be sure about. BC. That's the part that

2031
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 1: I just I can't quite know. But listen, upsets happened

2032
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,639
Speaker 1: all the time. Al Donna's got reasons what we think

2033
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 1: some of her boxing could be interesting. Maybe the pace

2034
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 1: she puts on. Hell, she won her last fight with

2035
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: the most weird ass liver kick thing you'll ever see

2036
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: in your life. So fuck it, I'm gonna take a

2037
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 1: chance on the Mexican here to run the table. Bring

2038
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 1: four titles to Mexico in a single year.

2039
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 2: Anna mehy Co minus three twenty Amanda Nunas is your

2040
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 2: favorite plus two point fifty air in a al Donna Luke,

2041
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 2: I will take Amanda Nunis. You know, I've been looking

2042
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 2: for clues this week. I like the intensity she brought

2043
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 2: to the press conference. Uh, there wasn't much redeemable factors

2044
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 2: from that press conference, Luke. Did you have a lot

2045
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 2: of like who the fuck is that guy? Moments looking

2046
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 2: at the fighters they trotted out? Or am I just

2047
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 2: being really white belt rude right now?

2048
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 1: I gotta say normally, I do try to watch the pressers.

2049
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 1: I skipped this one.

2050
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:06,480
Speaker 2: I like you, you're not moved for Canada's Mike mulottigan'st

2051
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 2: Adam Fuggett. Luke, I mean Mark Andre Berrial was allowed

2052
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 2: to sit at the press conference. Shout out, Shout out

2053
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 2: to him, Luke, all right, I'm taking this.

2054
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 1: These are fine fighters, but they're not like I'm gonna.

2055
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 2: Take Amanda here. I do see the troubles that al

2056
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,720
Speaker 2: Donna could give her, certainly with the clean punching, with

2057
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 2: the great technique. I mean, her left hook is very sneaky.

2058
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 2: Kaitlyn Vieta found that out. But Luke, I think there's

2059
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 2: one more big one left in Amanda here. I think

2060
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:33,560
Speaker 2: she has motivation. I think she understands that this is

2061
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 2: enough grade an opponent. It's interesting to see if she

2062
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 2: could take the fight to the ground, if that can

2063
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 2: lead to some success for her. But she got here

2064
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 2: for a reason. People think I'm simping Luke to try

2065
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 2: to keep her the legend of her around, and that

2066
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm giving her too much credit for how she

2067
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 2: lost the pain you fight the first time and turned

2068
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 2: it around and fixed it. But these eyes saw what

2069
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:55,679
Speaker 2: they saw so uh yeah.

2070
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 4: All right, we go okay.

2071
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 1: So for my favorite, it's not pull up my odds here, boy,

2072
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 1: it's not really super overwhelmed, super overwhelming by any stretch

2073
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,719
Speaker 1: of the imagination. But in fact, I'm not sure exactly

2074
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 1: where they sit at the present moment. See, perhaps you

2075
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 1: can help me, but I'm gonna go Banil Daryush. I'm

2076
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 1: gonna go Banil Darush for my favorite. I feel like, again,

2077
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 1: it's a tough fight to pick. It's really really the

2078
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 1: main event is a little bit further apart, but this one,

2079
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 1: I think most folks agree.

2080
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 4: They're excited about it for a lot of reasons, and

2081
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 4: the biggest.

2082
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,440
Speaker 1: One is you got two very very, very very skilled operators,

2083
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 1: and in the case of OLIVERA, makes a lot of mistakes.

2084
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:37,880
Speaker 1: In the case of dry Yush, you're wondering, is he

2085
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 1: really of that level? Is of the Olivera. We've seen it,

2086
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 1: he's put the belt around his waist. Dry USh always,

2087
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 1: you know, never quite being there. But maybe this is

2088
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,560
Speaker 1: that moment, right, Maybe this is the one he transcends.

2089
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,639
Speaker 1: So I understand a pick in either direction. I feel

2090
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:53,799
Speaker 1: like Derry USh is in a different place now. OLIVERA

2091
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,679
Speaker 1: saying he feels like he didn't learn any lesson because

2092
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 1: he didn't go back and watch the fight against Makachev

2093
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 1: just gives me the wrong I didn't like what he

2094
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 1: was saying for that reason, give me der USh.

2095
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, I'm gonna go to my favorite and

2096
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go over to top rank boxing here and

2097
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 2: this must see. Sorry, not lightweight one hundred and forty

2098
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 2: pound title about Josh Taylor is a minus two ten

2099
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,960
Speaker 2: favorite against Tayo Fema Lopez. Luke, we laid out the

2100
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 2: reasons earlier, but I think this is Josh Taylor's fight.

2101
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:19,639
Speaker 2: This is a tough style match of for Tail. There's

2102
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 2: a lot of questions mentally, and I think even physically

2103
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 2: to some degree, I don't when I say the power

2104
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 2: potentially not carrying up it's only five pounds more. I

2105
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:30,640
Speaker 2: think he can hurt you and get people out of

2106
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:32,680
Speaker 2: here at one forty I just don't think some of

2107
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:37,599
Speaker 2: these surprise shots have the same ridiculously explosive thudding impact

2108
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 2: as they did at one thirty five. Look, if things

2109
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 2: go bad for Tao, is it gonna be willing to

2110
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 2: fight his way through it like you did against Camp Bosis.

2111
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2112
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:47,600
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be willing to go out and

2113
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 2: sort if he has to. But you are seeing a

2114
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 2: lot of people starting to go Look, I love this fight,

2115
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 2: but if this fight the heat turns up, this could

2116
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:56,639
Speaker 2: be a Josh Taylor stoppage late. I'm gonna take Taylor

2117
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 2: to win here as the favorite, but I do think

2118
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 2: this we could really be surprised either way, with both

2119
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 2: coming off some questionable performances in that sixteen month layoff.

2120
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 2: But the safer bet really is Josh Taylor. I'm looking

2121
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:10,560
Speaker 2: forward to it. Let's hear about your underdog.

2122
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 1: All right? For my underdog pick on this one, BC,

2123
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 1: you went to a different place actually like your pick

2124
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 1: a lot. But for me, it's a slight underdog. I

2125
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 1: think our friends at Caesar's currently let's see, they've got

2126
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 1: him as a plus one thirty five his opponent at

2127
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 1: one minus one sixty. I'm gonna say, Chris Curtis, I'm

2128
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 1: gonna go my under dog, Chris Curtis. I mentioned very

2129
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: slight underdog at plus one thirty five. Not a substantial one,

2130
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 1: Chris Curtis. As we know, slow Starter does a lot

2131
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 1: of body work, and I really wonder whether or not

2132
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 1: that's going to be enough to get the job done. However,

2133
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 1: extreme coutur fighters have some experience against Imovov. Chris Curtis

2134
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 1: is an accurate puncher. Imovov is very very good and athletic,

2135
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 1: but I think it sometimes get a little undisciplined as

2136
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 1: the fight goes on. So it's a close one, and

2137
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 1: you can just see a scenario where Curtis build right

2138
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:02,560
Speaker 1: too little, too late, you know you can get to

2139
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 1: that point, or gets out in front of his skis

2140
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:06,680
Speaker 1: too early and then just doesn't get the calibration right.

2141
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 1: There is a bit of a Goldilocks problem that he

2142
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 1: is typically trying to solve. Nevertheless, for these odds and

2143
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: for this exercise, I think there's reason to think he

2144
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 1: could get it done. Give me Chris Curtis.

2145
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a very good fight. Middleweight tilt. That is

2146
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 2: the preliminary card featured about on ESPN and ESPN plus

2147
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 2: one of the better highlights on a very weak card.

2148
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 2: Let's go to my underdog and look, I'm staying in

2149
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 2: that comin event you picked Benil dear Reyus, who is

2150
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 2: a minus one fifty favorite at UFC two eighty nine.

2151
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Charles oliver here at plus one

2152
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 2: twenty five. I hear what you're saying about the whole

2153
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:38,640
Speaker 2: idea of I'm not gonna rewatch that fight because that

2154
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 2: was one bad night at the office. Look, sometimes they

2155
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 2: do have to talk themselves into it as fighters to

2156
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,560
Speaker 2: reinvent sort of this, you know, puff back up the

2157
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 2: balloon of invincibility. If that's what Charles OLIVERA needs to

2158
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:52,679
Speaker 2: do to forget that and get back to the ways

2159
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 2: that he was, is that going to be enough. Here's

2160
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:59,559
Speaker 2: the thing, though, Luke, their uses not Islam Mahachev. There

2161
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 2: are some similarities in some key categories, especially and tangibly,

2162
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 2: But Charles Olivera is that dude, and I have seen

2163
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 2: an intense level of motivation and focus and desire in

2164
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 2: almost a make or break fight type of thing for him.

2165
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 2: Not that a loss here would retire him or take

2166
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:18,600
Speaker 2: him out of you know, getting big fights, but just

2167
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 2: the idea of he really does feel that that was

2168
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 2: an aberration, so he is motivated as shit to hold

2169
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 2: his place in the title picture and potentially secure a

2170
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 2: title rematch if it goes that way here, I'm going

2171
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:33,320
Speaker 2: to give Charles oliver that chance, he's got three rounds

2172
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 2: to do it as opposed to five, which means he

2173
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 2: can take chances and ramp it up. But he has

2174
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 2: the ability to create finishes out of nowhere, to hit

2175
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 2: you with the kind of shots you don't see coming

2176
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 2: out of nowhere, and has no problem being in the fire.

2177
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,560
Speaker 2: So even if their use is able to use some

2178
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 2: kind of clean countershots to gain some edge early and

2179
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:53,439
Speaker 2: use that physicality to keep the fight from going to

2180
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 2: the ground, I still like what Olivera can do here, Luke.

2181
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 2: I just wonder if this fight does go to the

2182
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 2: ground and what that looks like. Because Darry Hush has

2183
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:03,600
Speaker 2: used this week to tell everybody I think I'm a

2184
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:07,920
Speaker 2: better grappler than Doe Bronx. Luke, I'm picking Olivera to win,

2185
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 2: but what do you think about that ground side of it?

2186
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:11,799
Speaker 2: In the comments from dry Yush.

2187
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:15,560
Speaker 1: I think I mean, dude, in pure jiu jitsu, he

2188
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 1: went a lot further like this is you get back

2189
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:20,400
Speaker 1: to one of these situations where it's like Verdoom versus

2190
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:23,519
Speaker 1: No Ghera, and No Gera kind of made a name

2191
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 1: for himself as like a submission oriented guy in ami

2192
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 1: before Verdoom really had in part because Verduom was still

2193
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 1: competing in pro jiu jitsu, and then also he just

2194
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, hadn't really earned that reputation in a similar way.

2195
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 1: And then they locked horns and then you saw what happened. Now,

2196
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:39,720
Speaker 1: I don't think the difference between Verdom and Noghera is

2197
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: as pronounced as the one between dary USh and Olivera.

2198
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 1: Far from it. But we just saw what happened in

2199
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 1: oliver Dude, let me ask you what happened in his

2200
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:50,120
Speaker 1: last fight. What happened to Olivera in his last fight?

2201
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:52,320
Speaker 1: He got submitted. Now, he got knocked down from a

2202
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 1: punch and then he got hit on the ground that

2203
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 1: forced him to go this way, so he ended up

2204
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 1: giving it to him. But we're talking about someone like

2205
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 1: a Zambist in this particular case, Islam Makhachev able to

2206
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 1: use some of those things to score a victory on

2207
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 1: the ground. He's been submitted in other ways. Charles Olivera

2208
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 1: has very good jiu jitsu and very offensive jiu jitsu,

2209
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,160
Speaker 1: but he has a very offensive spirit that just gets

2210
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 1: him into problems. And a dude like dry Ushu has

2211
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:17,800
Speaker 1: very I want to say this very technically sound jiu

2212
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 1: jitsu right to this. Certainly at this point, I know

2213
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 1: he's also been submitted with the whole Uh my brain

2214
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 1: is not working. Uh the.

2215
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 2: The dars.

2216
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 1: No, he's had submission troubles himself in the UFC as well.

2217
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull up these names and it's gonna absolutely

2218
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 1: annoy me that I didn't get them right. But I'm

2219
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 1: gonna say record for record and in these sort of

2220
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 1: transition moments and precise like you'll just see. Oliver is

2221
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 1: so exciting because he is very technical, but he just

2222
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 1: he has a high wire act that he plays. OLIVERA

2223
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaker 1: doesn't play the high wire act, and I think that

2224
01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:58,599
Speaker 1: could get them into trouble.

2225
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is gonna be fun fight, I think,

2226
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 2: And I just this is Olivera's like, you know, don't

2227
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 2: forget me now type of moment, you know what I mean.

2228
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm not going full Roy Jones on you, but you

2229
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 2: get my point there. The whole idea of like remind

2230
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:11,760
Speaker 2: you who he is. I don't know, Luke. At the

2231
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 2: end of the day, who do you think Stock for

2232
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 2: stock is the better fighter between the two? The odds

2233
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 2: makers like der Use's chances stylize. But I still think

2234
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 2: Olivera has ways to dial it up, Luke and create

2235
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 2: spectacular moments that even with the stubbornness and dry use,

2236
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:28,600
Speaker 2: I think he's motivated to do that here. And I

2237
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,519
Speaker 2: still I mean, I've been downing him so long, Luke,

2238
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 2: It's about time I stand by him once.

2239
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 1: All Right, Yeah, listen, I think Olivera has more offensive

2240
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 1: ways to win. I think the more complete fighter is

2241
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:39,040
Speaker 1: dairy use.

2242
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. I've loved Benny's story. I

2243
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 2: love the close up his wife and children have gotten

2244
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:45,600
Speaker 2: this week, Luke. I mean, I just see on the

2245
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 2: embedded when Doe Bronx came in and was like, you know,

2246
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 2: being nice to his daughter. There's a lot of bousheto here, Luke.

2247
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:54,240
Speaker 2: But that's going to turn into violence come Saturday night.

2248
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:55,360
Speaker 2: What's your over under, Luke?

2249
01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:58,240
Speaker 1: All right, so over under. I'll make it very fast.

2250
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 1: I think this fight will go the distance. The one

2251
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 1: between Random Averick and Jazmine just suitivissious. I like that

2252
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 1: one to go.

2253
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:06,320
Speaker 2: Look, you can't pick that unless you're trumping me, because

2254
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 2: that's the exact pick that I gave again at eight

2255
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 2: am this morning to make sure that you didn't double

2256
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:16,760
Speaker 2: up on me a second or fifth or seventy seventh times.

2257
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,600
Speaker 1: My god, dude, I am absolutely brain damaged. I am.

2258
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:22,559
Speaker 2: That's a you're going through a rough time right now,

2259
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:24,719
Speaker 2: but you want I don't think you should be allowed

2260
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 2: to take that because I was even questioned while taking that.

2261
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 2: This feels like a layup. Obviously, there could be a stoppage.

2262
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 2: Anything can happen in MMA, but I feel like I

2263
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 2: should be allowed to pick this because I'm well behind you.

2264
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 1: I I honestly have a brain damage problem because I

2265
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,879
Speaker 1: actually went. Godly, dude, I'm so sorry as your broadcast

2266
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:40,920
Speaker 1: partner to do this two weeks in a row like this.

2267
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 1: You tell me what you want me to do, dude,

2268
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 1: because I have messed this up, You're.

2269
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 2: Gonna have Like God, I'm gonna try to take advantage

2270
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 2: of you here. Luke, you're gonna have to pick another

2271
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:51,560
Speaker 2: fight in the marketing.

2272
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 1: So why don't you do your pick on this one

2273
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:55,160
Speaker 1: first and then I'll pick mine.

2274
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 2: How about this feels like a layup. I'm taking the

2275
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 2: over that this goes the three round distance. I like

2276
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 2: this fight like Miranda Maverick's chances better here. I think

2277
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 2: she's more skilled than Jasmine Jazz Diavicius. This part of

2278
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 2: the segment, we're just telling you if the fight goes

2279
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 2: the distance or not. Statistically, fights like this go the

2280
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:13,559
Speaker 2: distance a lot. I think Miranda Maverick gets the win.

2281
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 2: I think it's competitive, but we're gonna go the three

2282
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 2: rounds and look, I need this point. I need this point.

2283
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 2: And okay, bet and you know that you know that

2284
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 2: at the end of the day.

2285
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:25,720
Speaker 1: Uh, okay, I've got my pick now. I apologize to you, dude.

2286
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:30,080
Speaker 1: That really is just it's fine, Luke. You know I

2287
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:32,120
Speaker 1: wanted to do better for myself. I apologize to you.

2288
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 1: I apologize to the audience. We see.

2289
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,680
Speaker 4: Okay, but I can pivot here pretty quickly. So we're

2290
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:36,599
Speaker 4: gonna do over under.

2291
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:40,240
Speaker 1: I'll take the under on Dan Ega and Nate Land,

2292
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 1: where I just don't think it goes the distance. I

2293
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 1: will assume that that one closes. The judges can probably

2294
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 1: take that night off. They will anyway, because that's who

2295
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:48,559
Speaker 1: they are. But you know, you get the idea.

2296
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 2: Well, if Ega ends up getting the win in that, Luke,

2297
01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 2: you will get this not only get the point for

2298
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 2: picking the over under on that fight, you would get

2299
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 2: the point in general because my KO or sub I'm

2300
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 2: gonna jump head here does focus on that fight before

2301
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 2: I give you my answer. Though I did catch up

2302
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 2: with Nate the train in the UFC. You can listen

2303
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 2: to that interview in full Morning Combat excuse Me, YouTube

2304
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:14,840
Speaker 2: dot com slash Morning Combat. I really enjoyed chatting with him, Luk.

2305
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,519
Speaker 2: He wasn't goofy, was serious as shit. But let's listen

2306
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,719
Speaker 2: to one bit of sound before I give you my picker.

2307
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,560
Speaker 3: I know you know it's yeah, I got catchphrases.

2308
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:22,800
Speaker 6: Man.

2309
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 3: The train is just you know, it all comes from me.

2310
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 3: You know, I just I just run through motherfuckers. I

2311
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 3: got one gear as for it. If I go back,

2312
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 3: I turn around and steal forward.

2313
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:33,000
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's all forward motion.

2314
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 3: And you know it's crazy because it's like, you know

2315
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 3: how many times I've heard we're going we derail the trade,

2316
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:40,440
Speaker 3: We're going to derail.

2317
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:42,479
Speaker 2: The trail, like come up with something fresh man.

2318
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 3: I heard of shit a thousand times, and I always

2319
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,679
Speaker 3: tell people, you know what happens when the train gets derailed.

2320
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:56,920
Speaker 3: Everybody dies, So go ahead and derail this train, motherfucker, Luke.

2321
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:59,600
Speaker 2: I've really liked the close up Nate scot this week. Right,

2322
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:02,559
Speaker 2: he was on the Countdown and embedded. You see him

2323
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:05,479
Speaker 2: at the press conference, Nathan Train at the DAN press conference.

2324
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying this shit. He's also coming intent with raising

2325
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:12,160
Speaker 2: that intensity a lot. This fight's gonna be close, it's

2326
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 2: gonna be wild. You have picked that it goes the under,

2327
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 2: but I am picking a submission in Land where versus Ega.

2328
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:22,720
Speaker 2: And if it's land where Luke, that would also give

2329
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:24,840
Speaker 2: me the point. I guess that would make it a

2330
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 2: push though, right, so you would get the point. If

2331
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 2: Ega gets the finish, you would get the point clean

2332
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 2: and clear. We'll find out what happens. Yes, what's your

2333
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 2: KO or sub?

2334
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 1: So for KO or sub I'm gonna say it ends

2335
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:39,599
Speaker 1: in KO between Mark Andre Berrio and ye boy Eric Anders.

2336
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:42,240
Speaker 1: I feel like both those guys just kind of fight

2337
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 1: balls out a little bit, and uh, you know, they

2338
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 1: are heavy hitters, they're good athletes, and that just is

2339
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:51,880
Speaker 1: not a recipe typically typically for the distance. So give

2340
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 1: me the KO for those two. Now, there's record really

2341
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 1: sort of the submission heavy guy for the most part.

2342
01:50:57,200 --> 01:50:59,600
Speaker 2: All Right, I'd like to make a run and you know,

2343
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:02,479
Speaker 2: chip away into your lead, Luke. So hopefully this is

2344
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 2: the week. Okay, thank you very much.

2345
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna go, You're gonna go see You're gonna go

2346
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 1: see vomitorium with me. That's what that's gonna be.

2347
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 2: Hell. Note we close with a little bit of accountability, Luke.

2348
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,400
Speaker 2: Every Friday we offer you that email address Morning combat

2349
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com to send in. You know, if

2350
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:20,559
Speaker 2: we said some shit wrong factually, or maybe we justld

2351
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:22,639
Speaker 2: shouldn't have said what we said at all, it's your

2352
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:24,559
Speaker 2: chance to dunk on us, and we got to take

2353
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:30,559
Speaker 2: the l if it's true. It's called dead wrong. Yeah

2354
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 2: hehaw and shit yeah, oh oh god, Luke. Dead Wrong

2355
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:41,639
Speaker 2: number one comes to us from Daz. He lives in Hawaii.

2356
01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:44,880
Speaker 2: He says a Looha donks. In episode two four fifty,

2357
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 2: at about twelve minutes and twenty three seconds, BC mentions

2358
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:52,600
Speaker 2: Dana's previous irritation at Amanda Newness for pulling out of

2359
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:55,720
Speaker 2: her fight with Valentina at UFC two thirteen due to

2360
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:59,800
Speaker 2: a weight miss. However, BC's recollection of a weight miss

2361
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 2: was incorrect. Amanda actually pulled out due to a chronic

2362
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:08,519
Speaker 2: sinus infection that made Dana even more irritated because Amanda

2363
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:12,519
Speaker 2: pulled out after being medically cleared to fight, looking forward

2364
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 2: to more great in studio shows and RSDs both one

2365
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:19,000
Speaker 2: and two point zero. Mohallow, it's dazz looke. I will

2366
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 2: take that L. I don't remember it being a sinus infection.

2367
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:25,000
Speaker 2: I did say she missweight. What I was referring to

2368
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 2: was the weight tobacco, meaning I thought, and I'm wrong here.

2369
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 2: Apparently I thought she was having trouble making weight and

2370
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:33,800
Speaker 2: was hospitalized.

2371
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 4: It was sinusidis.

2372
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:37,680
Speaker 2: But apparently I'm wrong. It didn't have anything to do.

2373
01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:39,800
Speaker 4: With the weight, right, It was sinusidis.

2374
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:42,600
Speaker 1: Remember Mikey and I were talking about it because I

2375
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 1: actually got it last week. Dude. It was awful. It sucked.

2376
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:51,479
Speaker 4: U had discharged coming out of my nose.

2377
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:53,720
Speaker 1: That was like not It was not mucus bro It

2378
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:54,960
Speaker 1: was something else, and it was terrible.

2379
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:59,479
Speaker 2: It was newer train aids Louke unfortunately. But there you go, Daz,

2380
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:02,599
Speaker 2: I will that L. I did misremember it. Dana said

2381
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:04,120
Speaker 2: she would never be in the main event again.

2382
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:05,640
Speaker 3: And here we are.

2383
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,600
Speaker 2: All right, let's go over to Gary, he.

2384
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:12,760
Speaker 16: Says on Monday's episode BC with the BD and CTE

2385
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:16,560
Speaker 16: might have been on some CDB when he said that

2386
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:21,799
Speaker 16: Jim Miller's opponent Jesse Butler was quote hung and younger

2387
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:25,240
Speaker 16: instead of young and hungry.

2388
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 2: Has he seen Jesse Butler's only pipes? Or maybe BC

2389
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:33,880
Speaker 2: was just hunkering for a big old gas station hot dog.

2390
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:36,320
Speaker 2: Either way, love you guys. Listening to you helps me

2391
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:40,559
Speaker 2: get through those four hour long picketing shifts. Thanks from Gary,

2392
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:46,040
Speaker 2: A striking writer. Luca, Hollywood striking writer wrote in he

2393
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 2: did he yes, he writes for like you know somewhere else.

2394
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 1: Luca, you see give me the top five list of

2395
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:53,799
Speaker 1: males who are hung and younger.

2396
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing, Luke, Was I actually wrong? Writer?

2397
01:53:58,120 --> 01:53:59,759
Speaker 2: Did I mean to say no? That was an accident

2398
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 2: so hilarious.

2399
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:03,080
Speaker 4: You're like Patrick Ewey?

2400
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaker 2: Did you see that video about Patrick? They said he

2401
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:08,599
Speaker 2: used to tape it down, Luke.

2402
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently he had a hog soll enormous he had

2403
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 1: to tape it to his leg during games, which is

2404
01:54:14,479 --> 01:54:16,720
Speaker 1: that's just Hall of Fame hog right there. That's that's

2405
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:17,680
Speaker 1: first ballot.

2406
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:20,639
Speaker 2: Speaking of Hall of Fame hogs. Stop me if you've

2407
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:22,720
Speaker 2: heard this before, if I told you the cliff Robinson.

2408
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:26,719
Speaker 1: Story, Yes in the locker room, Yes, yes, all right.

2409
01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:28,479
Speaker 2: That was a good story. Should I tell it again, Luke,

2410
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:29,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, probably not.

2411
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if you should be telling stories about

2412
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,440
Speaker 1: wanton sexual harassment in the workplace.

2413
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:36,400
Speaker 2: But especially of the of the don't speak ill of

2414
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:39,600
Speaker 2: the dead, Luke, all right, p Cliff Robinson, former Survivor contestant,

2415
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 2: just the same. Luke was voted off the Island of Survivor,

2416
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:47,560
Speaker 2: but finally from Colton. On Friday show, BC said that

2417
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:50,040
Speaker 2: I did I got this wrong big time, and I apologize,

2418
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:53,200
Speaker 2: he said. I said that Clarissa Shield's previous opponent was

2419
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 2: Franchon Cruz that had tested positive for PEDS and had

2420
01:54:56,760 --> 01:55:00,200
Speaker 2: dropped out of their fight, forcing Maricela Cornejo to a

2421
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 2: week ago to Phil in last minute, Luke, it was

2422
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:04,560
Speaker 2: actually Hannah Gabriels, and I f that up and I

2423
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 2: knew better, and I apologized, But we didn't cover the

2424
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 2: post fight. But Clarissa defeated Cornejo dominated her. Luke, like dominant,

2425
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 2: didn't get the stoppage, so I lost in okay, bet,

2426
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:18,400
Speaker 2: but snapped her head back like fifty four times the

2427
01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 2: pound for pound, Queen, you know she is right, Luke

2428
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:23,160
Speaker 2: with the loss to Katie Taylor, would you say the

2429
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 2: pound for pound queen is Clarissa Shields again?

2430
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 1: I guess it is. I guess it is. Yeah.

2431
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:31,440
Speaker 2: I saw some report from saying someone said Eddie Herdon

2432
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:34,680
Speaker 2: said that Katie Taylor could be next in a Serrano

2433
01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 2: rematch and then rematch Cameron after that. Would you be

2434
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,240
Speaker 2: better off with that? Or you don't really care either way?

2435
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:42,840
Speaker 4: I think they should make the Serrano fight next. I

2436
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 4: think it's time.

2437
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:46,919
Speaker 2: And did you see the closier Luke that Samson Lukewitz,

2438
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:51,120
Speaker 2: the promoter of David Benavidez, gave an interview here at

2439
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame to somebody today and said that

2440
01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 2: we could be seeing Benavitez against David Morel this fall

2441
01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:59,160
Speaker 2: because Canelo wasn't interested. Dude, would you pop big for that?

2442
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd rather see the Canelo fight, you know,

2443
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 1: but if Canelo and he said, Canelo and Eddie Renoso

2444
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:07,720
Speaker 1: don't want it, so it's like if they don't want it, I.

2445
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:10,840
Speaker 4: Mean the problem is on that one.

2446
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean, David Morrell Junior versus David Benavidez is the

2447
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 1: battle of David's would be a fantastic fight.

2448
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:22,880
Speaker 4: But I think you were talking about this before the show.

2449
01:56:23,240 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 1: It's a little unclear about where you put that because

2450
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 1: Benavide is coming off that plant fire. He's a pay

2451
01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:30,760
Speaker 1: per view guy now like Morell is not so, but.

2452
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:34,040
Speaker 2: He is an elite talent and maybe you package that

2453
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 2: with another final. We'll see what happens this fall. Boxing

2454
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:40,040
Speaker 2: coming your way. Don't miss showbox tonight nine pm Eastern

2455
01:56:40,120 --> 01:56:42,360
Speaker 2: on Showtime. You can get thirty days free right now

2456
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:45,160
Speaker 2: at showtime dot com. Check out your boy BC. We

2457
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:47,400
Speaker 2: had interviews with the Hall of famers. Al Bernstein will

2458
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 2: be handling that. Can't wait to hear from Tim Bradley,

2459
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:52,400
Speaker 2: Carl Frotch and all the others. Luke, that's about it.

2460
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 2: Mikey Mormerle behind the scenes, Thank you very much. You

2461
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:56,240
Speaker 2: got anything to say, Luke. We wish you and your

2462
01:56:56,280 --> 01:56:58,120
Speaker 2: family peace and happiness this weekend.

2463
01:56:58,520 --> 01:56:59,160
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

2464
01:56:59,200 --> 01:56:59,800
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

2465
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:02,120
Speaker 1: Forget. There is a UFC pay per view tomorrow night,

2466
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:04,879
Speaker 1: which means I have got you covered for post UFC

2467
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:09,440
Speaker 1: two eighty nine show. Right after the show is over,

2468
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:12,480
Speaker 1: join me right here YouTube dot com. Slash Morning Combat

2469
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:15,760
Speaker 1: will have results analysis your questions answered, the whole nine

2470
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:16,520
Speaker 1: yards be there.

2471
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:20,600
Speaker 2: Indeed, thank you to the fans, who, viewers, listeners, whatever

2472
01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 2: you are for us, standing by us and staying with us.

2473
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:25,920
Speaker 2: We love you all. Thank you. Don't steal Luke's organs

2474
01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 2: one day, great fans OFS on Wednesday, What a time

2475
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:32,000
Speaker 2: to be alive. You know anything else, Luke, You know anything.

2476
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm just hunging youngry. That's really just all it is

2477
01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:38,840
Speaker 1: right now, just the youngriest.

2478
01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're out. We're out. That's it.